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Fast Fact - Wayne Gretzky scored his first big league hat trick at Heritage Bank Arena in 1978, during his rookie year, in the old World Hockey Association.
Very cool. Of course, the small-minded, old farts of the NHL said Gretzky was ineligible for NHL Rookie of the Year because of his one season in the WHA … but his stats don’t count.
Sprint Center in KC has done quite well without a tenant due to flexibility for scheduling concerts and touring shows. However, KC benefits from a massive geographical catchment area, being the only major city within a several hour drive.
And that's why I think Cincinnati won't get a major indoors team from the NBA or NHL. The Pacers are 100 miles away. Cleveland is about 200 miles away. Columbus with hockey is also 100 miles away. College basketball is like pro basketball around here with XU, UC, UK, UofL, Dayton, OSU, Butler, and IU. Cincinnati should build an arena around 15,000 seats and gear it towards attracting concerts, traveling acts, and conventions.
@@aaronswink8554 I don't know if 15K is big enough when you have to compete against arenas in the 18K-20K range in attracting major acts and conventions.
@fixpacifica They just can't make Louisville's mistake. The KFC Yum! Center (I hate that name with every fiber of my body) is a really nice arena. The plan was to try to woo a team like the Hornets or Grizzlies to Louisville with a shiny new toy. Didn't happen. UofL plays their games there but given all of the drama and losing these past 5+ years, they play to a lot of empty seats. Plus where the current Riverfront Coliseum is located, that has now been wedged between the outfield of GABP and the the approach to a bridge and a large parking garage. Spreading out will be tough and they might have to follow Montreal's example and go high and steep. Walking up the Centre Bell's upper levels makes you wonder if you need a Sherpa and some rope. So build it to your market size. Louisville didn't and they have this nice but too large arena that only sells out when the biggest shows come to town.
@@aaronswink8554 Cincy does not need NBA/NHL. They are more than happy with the B's and Reds. MLS added helps round it out. Ohio is strange because it is a balanced state population wise, all metros are basically the same size.
Boy, I'm sure glad Kansas City's Sprint Center (now T-Mobile Arena) "has done quite well" without an NBA or NHL team in the 17 years since it was built. 🤔
Cincinnati's only had two arenas in its history - Riverfront Coliseum (the facility referenced here; unless a sponsor pays me for using their name, I'm not doing it), preceded by the Cincinnati Gardens. The place also has a tragic history, being the site where 11 fans were crushed to death in a stampede of people trying to get into a concert by The Who. Indoor-based professional sports tenant or not, it's in Cincinnati's civic interest... and in the interest of putting that tragedy behind them to an extent... to build a new facility. It's also amusing to see that Mike Brown, who VOWED that the Bengals new stadium would NEVER sell naming rights and erase father Paul's name from the facility... went for the fast buck and sold out his father's memory. What a scuzzbucket.
Finally met someone else that refuses to use the sponsored name. Unless I get a cut, I’m not using that paid for name. I wish more people would do the same.
Not surprised as this is an ongoing trend. Professional teams often demand - and get - a share of parking and concession revenue. That isn't the case with concerts. Many games are scheduled on weekends, the same dates most concert promoters desire. There are a number of arenas in smaller cities without pro teams that do well based on concerts and other events.
Bridgestone Arena in Nashville was built with no major league tenant in hand. It cost about $140 million in 1994 money. It worked out after a couple of years.
I lived in Cincinnati a long time (GO MUSKIES!!!) and know the current Riverfront Coliseum (forget corporate name) all too well. It's just way too old. The college arenas at Xavier and UC are right-sized for campus, but won't or can't get the bigger shows. Meanwhile, Louisville, Columbus, and Indianapolis all have new-ish arenas that have stayed modern these last 15-20 years. Outside of the WWE, the huge arena shows go elsewhere. The current arena is in a great location. The riverfront has been transformed through The Banks project, and with Paycor getting major renovations, more action there. Build it on the water. And it will likely be a Louisville, Kansas City, and Omaha situation where there is a nice arena but no full-time tenants. But Cincinnati is really being held back in attracting top-tier shows due to a small, outdated, and honestly, shabby arena on prime real estate.
As mentioned by others, KCMO built the Sprint Center with no pro sports commitments, and it has never had a pro sports team. The Kings (NBA) and Scouts (NHL) both played at Kemper Arena (which still stands today, and got repurposed as a locally focused venue). Charlotte too, has been through several arenas since the 70s - the Spectrum Center being the newer one. Their legacy venue still stands as the laughably named Bojangles Arena, but stays quite busy, hosting the AHL Charlotte Checkers and the occasional "wrasslin'" event here and there, monster truck events, and so on...The future status of the Heritage wasn't mentioned if they do build the new arena, but as proven, a two venue city does work - especially if one has long since been paid off...This is the way it used to work. Cities would build venues for their own benefit, and teams would come along later and rent the space. But now it's "We want a free arena and we want to keep all the revenue from it too, and we'll give you a .300 team to fawn over..."...
KC built T Mobile Center with the intent of luring a pro sports team to city. Once they realized that the arena was better suited to be open to non sporting events they stopped actively pursuing a professional team to be a tenant.
Tulsa has the BOK center. Similar size with just a minor league hockey and indoor football team. I attended a few concerts there when I lived in OKC, and it’s pretty nice.
P&G has been quiet with putting their name on things. I thought they would grab Paul Brown Stadium's name right away, but Paycor got it. Great American Insurance, Cintas, 5/3 Bank, and TQL Logistics have the rest in town (besides what's discussed in the video). I'm surprised United Dairy Farmers hasn't put their name on something.
San Diego keeps talking about doing the same thing--but they are only shooting for a 16,000 seat arena (and the interested parties haven't said just what the seating capacities would be for various indoor sports). Either way, it would probably be too small for any visions of hosting a future NHL or NBA team (and yes--the NBA is a longer shot of the 2, since we've already lost 2 NBA teams).
That’s an interesting idea. I recall similar ideas when the local convention center was built to draw in larger conventions here in Portland many moons ago. But without a large hotel, we have still missed on major conventions and conferences. Those special events are huge deals, and it makes a lot of sense to bring in those tourism dollars. It’s rather ironic that this current stadium never hosted an NBA team. The Cincinnati Royals traded away their stars by 1970, and attendance suffered, so the team moved to Kansas City. Riverfront/Heritage opened up 4 seasons later. I supposed if the ABA had survived another 4 seasons, another team might have played in Cincinnati (like the way Dallas, Houston, San Diego, Salt Lake City and New Orleans each had a couple of franchises off and in the late 60s- late 70s).
I thought it odd that Cincinnati didn't have a legacy NBA team (that is, one that's been around for a while) since in the past it's been one of the largest and most important cities in the US, and it's not that far west. So I did some looking. After getting the Royals from Rochester, they had one for a while, then lost it to Kansas City (and Omaha, in a bit of historical weirdness). But because there were already Royals in Kansas City, they had to rename it. In one of those times when history stutters, they then lost the team to California, just like they had with the Athletics. That team now? The Sacramento Kings.
wild how some paths teams have made in the life of the team. Like the pistons used to be in ft wayne indiana and went to the nba championship 2x. Anderson Indiana had a NBA team in 1949-50 and went to the NBA semifinals and had won the NBL championship the year before. and that NBA simifinal was played against the Lakers... Minnesota Lakers.
Just looking at it, I would try to put the highway underground in a "big dig" style and then make a nice neighborhood there which would make that stadium place better.
I attended some Cincinnati hockey games there during the late 1970's. If I recall right, some concert goers died there during a stampede barging into the place in the 80's. Closer to my home, Glendale Arizona's Desert Diamond Arena has done much better financially ever since they evicted the NHL Coyotes.
Yes they should do it. Even if it means never getting an NHL Team that can be the new home for the Cyclones, it could bring in an NBA Team, and having more concerts is always great. They have a venue for concerts down at the banks, but having more than one is always a great option. What would also benefit this area is if shops and restaurants are built around it to connect it to The Banks allowing for more foot traffic along the riverfront.
I read a while back that the Blue Jackets are starting the process of re-negotiating their lease at the arena in Columbus. I wonder how long until they use this new Cincinnati arena as leverage.
Manchester (England) built an area that won’t fit a basketball court or hockey rink. They built it in a square shape because the concert market’s so strong.
Basketball and hockey (or ice hockey as we call it over here) are just not very big here in the UK so it would have made no sense to build it for these sports.
When the World Hockey Association folded and the NHL absorbed four teams, the Cincinnati Stingers were considered but the NHL opted for Hartford instead and Cincinnati has a long minor league hockey history.
Roof estimate at Paycor seems crazy expensive, and I like outdoor stadiums for football regardless of the weather. However, if Cincy wants to draw say, the top musical acts in the world, they would need a football stadium. Rogers Centre is now a baseball only stadium, but Taylor Swift just finished selling out 6 shows in a row at 50,000+ per show. I believe she only plays stadiums (not arenas), and I suspect the same is true for Bruno Mars, Drake, The Weeknd, etc..
Build the new arena...its old which raises concerns (ingree&egres) ,If one thing I' have seen with the Oakland Arena is that it attracts the lesser known concerts, family shows ,etc. because of WHY ? Theres a relatively new Chase Center right on the other side of the Bay that draws in all the name concerts and shows catch my drift Cincinnati? Maybe put in 19,000 seats
Unless city/county/state taxpayers are all in for funding 70% of the arena, this seems foolish. Copps Coliseum (now FirstOntario Centre) in Hamilton, T-Mobile Center in Kansas City, Videotron Centre in Quebec City, etc...all built without first securing a team. All still without a team. NBA will expand to Seattle and Vegas and stay at 32. Next NHL expansion will likely be Houston and Atlanta. Blue Jackets moving to Cincy is the only possibility I see, but I'm skeptical.
With the Pacers and Blue Jackets being less than two hours away, I can't see Cincy getting an NBA or NHL team. Closer to my home, Simmons Bank Arena in North Little Rock gets better concerts than FedEx Forum in Memphis because North Little Rock doesn't even have a minor league basketball or hockey team. UALR doesn't play there. FedEx Forum houses the NBA Grizzlies and University of Memphis men's basketball. Simmons Bank Arena in NLR has more open dates for concerts.
Mike Brown's fleecing of Hamilton County, Ohio isn't enough for the residents of Greater Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky TM. At least there isn't a team threatening to leave town if the taxpayers don't finance a new facility for them. I-75 really, really, really needs a new bridge across the River to replace the obsolescent Brent Spence Bridge. If you're going to fleece the taxpayers, give them something everyone will use.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family, Brodie. Another interesting video, but like anything else, in 2024, 2025, when you talk about the public paying 70% of the bill, that is a non-starter. You need a group, with deep pockets, a professional league ready to expand, the NCAA ready to host multiple championship events, multiple events and groups that want to tour in the city. Thanks for your work, here on UA-cam.
If it was a good idea a private company would do it. It’s a horrible idea. That being said I’m all for it because I live outside Hamilton county and I don’t have to pay for it. A brand new venue is opening with 23,000 seats 10 miles away in 2 years at 1/10 the cost. The new facility has zero chance of competing. But I say go for it. Just make sure there’s a street car that goes to it😂
Even if Cincinnati builds this and it doesn’t draw the NBA or NHL to the city, it’s still very much worth it. It’ll be similar to the T-Mobile Center in KC. That place is very busy with concerts, Big 12 basketball tournament every March, family shows, etc. every year despite not having a full-time tenant calling the place home. Cincinnati missed out on the 2016 RNC Convention to Cleveland and the 2022 NCAA Tournament 1st weekend to Indianapolis because their current arena is old and outdated. I’m sure the same could be said for concerts too. I think San Diego is also trying to build a new arena without the promise of an NBA or NHL franchise.
Cincinnati Cyclones drew considerably more when they played in Cincinnati Gardens. Riverfront Coliseum has had an awful aura about it since 11 people were killed before The Who concert on 12/3/79. A memorial plaque was placed at the Coliseum only three years ago. Note: the teens who died that day would have been in their early 60s now. It took 40+ years for the Coliseum's private ownership put up a memorial.
I would say it's about time they replaced the old Riverfront Coliseum, only hang up I think is wanting taxpayers to fork out 70% of the cost. taxpayers here in SW Ohio are already footing the bill for 2 stadiums in Cincy...both occupied by less than stellar teams. Happy Thanksgiving Brodie!
I'm A Clevelander,smart for Cincinnati to do this because the Browns looking to build their Jerry's World so I imagine that they don't want to be left behind when it comes to funds
Indianapolis built a giant dome in the middle of town, a few years later the Colts moved in. Are there any NHL or NBA teams currently keeping an eye on the real estate market?
The Bengals’ stadium is good for attracting acts like Taylor Swift, but I think a lot of performers would struggle to fill it. On the other hand, an indoor arena with out an NHL or NBA team may have an easier time attracting acts, as there’s a lot more flexibility in the schedule, especially when you figure in the time that it takes to do a conversion between ice, court, or floor, and the unknowns of the playoff season.
Ohio has an ironic "Three Body Problem": Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati. Amusingly, I think the NHL is best situated with the Blue Jackets (ownership is another story) in Columbus.
I don't think the McConnells are bad owners. They're hands off and not cheapskates. Almost too hands off tho. And their right hand man has made plenty of mistakes over the years.
So many of us have been told that KC is making money on the arena because there’s NO NBA or NHL team. I’ve heard there’s been a few years with losses, but generally, by not having an anchor tenant that demands most of the revenues while saddling the city with the costs, that the Sprint Center has turned out alright for KC. Are you disputing this?
Quebec City built a sports arena hoping for an NHL team which hasn't happened. That arena is over 12 years old. I think Toronto wants to build a venue just for concerts to avoid scheduling with Raptors and Maple Leafs. It kinda makes sense.
I am suprised Toronto does not have a smaller 5-10K arena built just for concerts and smaller sized business conventions. In the NYC area which has 2 NBA and 3 NHL teams, besides the famous Madison Square Garden, there is Brooklyn/Barclays, USB/Belmont Park Arena on Long Island and Prudential Center in Newark. So NYC/Northern New Jersey has 3 arenas that can also accommodate concerts, award shows and conventions besides their bread & butter sports.
@@americangiant1003 they do have Coca Cola Coliseum for other events. I've been to a few WWE house shows. Plus Toronto Marlies and I think the future WNBA team. But not just for concerts.
Think about this: if they build a new arena in Cincinnati, they can still find a use for the old one. In Kansas City, Kemper was repurposed as a giant rec center. In Houston, the former Summit became Joel Osteen's church building.
This is not a great idea. They tried it in Quebec City in hopes that it would attract an NHL team. It’s been years since they opened it and an NHL expansion team seems as far away as it has ever been.
@@davidlafleche1142 And what happened to the Whalers? Still in Hartford? Denver lost the (NHL) Rockies and got the Avalanche. Bay area lost the (NHL) Seals and got the Sharks. Winnipeg lost the Jets and got the.....Jets. Times change. I don't know how popular hockey is in Cincy, and I don't think building a new arena funded mostly by taxpayers is a good idea, but if fan interest is there, Jackets may move.
I do wanna say, if they go forward with this arena, it could kill any chance Louisville would get to have an nba team due to how close louisville and cincinnati are.
Irishman I think KC would be a much more priority for the Pelicans to move to then Cincinnati. Ditto for Louisville or Tampa assuming Vegas and Seattle are guaranteed expansion spots. The Cavs may not be thrilled about a 2nd team in Ohio. Cincinnati makes more sense for a “G” League team and affiliate for either the Pacers or Cavs.
New Orleans is already one of the smallest markets and has an NFL team in town. Add shrinking population dues to threat of rising sea levels. I think adding an NBA team to Cincinnati in the long run would stress it's ability to support four major sports. Same thing with KC. San Diego is an under served pro sports market right now since the Chargers left.
@@dreamcage1801 As lifelong St. Louisian in my '50s, I can't see an existing NBA team being willing to share the Enterprise Center with the Blues. If they want their own arena, not going to happen with the Cardinals ownership wanting $600M for unspecified "upgrades" to Busch. We need to keep Cardinals, Blues and CITY SC happy and hope that spring football actually works this time (Kaw is the Law!).
I think this is great for Cincinnati that they are willing to go it alone. The XL Center in Hartford was built as the Hartford Civic Center 50 years ago (same age as Heritage Bank Center). They are undergoing a massive back of house renovation and upgrade because they also have found that larger shows can't get into the building with the limited dock space of a 50 year old building. That said, the World Hockey Association (WHA), the American Hockey League (AHL) didn't fare well in Cincinnati and I don't think the Cyclones of the ECHL are faring a whole lot better. This makes it difficult for the NHL and NBA to give them a serious look.
IMO, hockey in Cincinnati was doing just fine until a couple of poor decisions. Moving the Cyclones downtown to Riverfront was unpopular and people correctly predicted attendance would suffer. Then the addition of the Mighty Ducks instead of promoting/moving the Cyclones from IHL to AHL split a solid market in two. And for the Cyclones fans who didn't want to bother going downtown, the Ducks gave them a reason to never even consider it. So when the AHL inevitably failed, part of the fans were already alienated. I think minor league hockey would do just fine given one team in a good location, not a PITA to get to, like Riverfront. I don't think there's enough financial/corporate support for the NHL.
For me, I don't see the logic of building a sports arena of any size just to have it. Unless they have money to spend to attract a team or teams, like Utah. Plus, adding a billion dollar roof to a 25 year old football stadium is ludicrous! It should have been part of the original plan!
Blue Jackets would be a hard No on Cincinnati. I know Bettman rattled off about 6 cities during and NHL All-Star Game weekend - may have included the city in that discussion - but he's always pumping how the league is so very popular in so many places - likely to use as leverage in new arena discussions for existing teams. I bet he'd say Anchorage is a possibility if someone asked him. Only chance is if Blue Jackets move to Cincy IMO.
@@michaelmarkowski204bluejackets have to literally give away tickets to fill the stadium. They have no rival, and dont make deep playoff runs. They would vote yes for cincy
@@robertsteinbacher6319 Very plausible. Who knows what's going on behind the scenes? Perhaps McConnell has already had preliminary discussions with Cincy / the county indicating that if an arena is built, he'd consider moving the team...?
@@michaelmarkowski204 far more likely than saying no. If you're worried about territory, Pittsburgh has already cannibalized Columbus for the NHL. They WILL need help eventually, if they want to be anything more cannon fodder for other teams (pun intended)
@@robertsteinbacher6319Why would we want a team only 100 miles away and taking two of our biggest secondary markets (Dayton)? Also the Jackets moving is disrespectful... We've put up with their perennially garbage on-ice product for decades now and still show up to the games.
1. Happy Thanksgiving 🍽 🍁🦃 Buddy 2. Maybe Cinn. Ohio trying for an NBA team ❓ Enjoy the Holiday 🥃🔥 Thou I live in Atlanta, & a Deep Braves fan. I have been to Reds Games & very positive atmosphere, from my personal experience
I think Cincinnati is too close and a threat to the Jackets. I'd be fine with Indy, but putting a team in Cleveland and/or Cincinnati could be asking for trouble. It works in MLS tho
With all the homeless that we have in every state, you’d think they’d prioritize housing vs another arena. If the state gives any money for this, someone will lose their job. JMO
If the National Lacrosse League is going to be "the next major league," let them be the prime tenant till the other two indoor sports relocate or expand there. Let the 'Nati fans build their own fandom from the ground up.
The Oakland Arena had it's most profitable year ever after the Warriors left. That's because these teams take up 41 dates minimum plus playoffs and plus preseason which prevents them from hosting other events. The teams end up taking all the money for themselves. It's no surprise that Cincinnati believes they don't need a team.
5:42: The pro hockey chances to me don't seem anything above very slim. There is already a hockey team in Columbus and territorially the Pittsburgh Penguins are not that far away either. For an expansion, there are always groups together for the next NHL expansion in Houston and Atlanta. The NHL has said it wants expansion into significant new markets in order to grow the game of hockey. Both of these cities far outweigh Cincinnati in that regard. There COULD be opportunity to grab at a relocation. The Winnipeg franchise is struggling with declining attendance and a deficient local market for corporate sponsorship opportunities and is probably the only possible relocation threat in the NHL. The issue for Cincinnati may be the league has been in an unpopular lens for years in Canada because of the small number of Canadian teams (8 ) teams in the league relative to US teams (24) in a "Canadian sport" and the fact that all new franchises granted in the last 30 years have been in the US. Moving a team from Canada to the US, while bypassing a city like Quebec and thus leaving Canada with only 7 teams in a 32 team league may be backlash the league may not want.
Columbus is too close for the NHL to expand to Cincy. I think Indy has a better shot if any city in the Midwest would get a team which won’t happen because Simon won’t let it. The NHL would be smart to look at Louisville because they don’t have any pro teams and KFC Yum! Center can fit a rink inside. Louisville is a very underrated market in my opinion.
I think the new arena is a good idea. Cincinnati is a great city. The cyclones are well established and they should be promoted to an AHL level team. I wouldnt be supeised of the pacers or cavs put their G-league team there. Also Herritage Bank arena is very very crampted.
Fun Fact (maybe not so fun..?) Reason Louisville's arena is called the KFC Yum! Center is because the company that develops, operates, and franchises KFC / Taco Bell / Pizza Hut franchises is called "Yum! Brands" and is headquartered in Louisville. Whoever came up with the exclamation point idea is a marketing genius IMO. 😄
Just build a new indoor stadium for the bengals that can convert to concerts. Better use of money. Let the team play for it with some help from the city in terms of bonds that get paid back by the team ie the Vikings model.
Baltimore's arena was outdated when it was built in the 1960s..... They still don't have a replacement while cities 1/10th the size have bigger and modern arenas...
I don't think Cinci will get a ton of NCAA tournament games, and definitely not the men's Final Four, since that only goes in NFL domes now. With Dayton less than an hour away hosting the First Four every year does the NCAA want to then turn around and give a weekend to neighboring Cincinnati?
Indianapolis has the NBA, Columbus has the NHL. I doubt those are options for Cincinnati. Maybe the Cyclones could move to the AHL. That and more concerts are probably the best hope with a new arena in Cincinnati.
Seating capacity is good but the concourses are VERY small. Access is poor. Like you said, footprint is quite small. IMO you don’t do this project unless you have a guaranteed NBA or NHL tenant. And no chance of NHL with Columbus nearby and tiny chance of NBA.
You have to ask the question, can the state of Ohio support two NHL teams on opposite sides of state. If there was a NHL team in Cincinnati, they can draw fans from Northern Kentucky and become a regional team
Riverfront Arena is nice enough but dated. There is no point in building a new building a without a team to full 40 nights a year. Of course I loved the cavernous Richfield Coliseum that could fit just short of 24,000 for a concert.
The Heritage Bank Center is a dump that hasn't been renovated since 1970. The echl Cyclones are a well attended team. Cincinnati will never get an NHL team with Columbus 1.5 hours away. NBA won't happen as Indianapolis is 1.5 hours away & Cleveland is 3.5 hours away.
They supported a USL soccer team so well that that the MLS couldn't ignore them despite having a team in Columbus. Both the NBA and NHL have more attractive options.
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Fast Fact - Wayne Gretzky scored his first big league hat trick at Heritage Bank Arena in 1978, during his rookie year, in the old World Hockey Association.
This is true, he was playing for the Indianapolis Racers
Very cool. Of course, the small-minded, old farts of the NHL said Gretzky was ineligible for NHL Rookie of the Year because of his one season in the WHA … but his stats don’t count.
Sprint Center in KC has done quite well without a tenant due to flexibility for scheduling concerts and touring shows. However, KC benefits from a massive geographical catchment area, being the only major city within a several hour drive.
And that's why I think Cincinnati won't get a major indoors team from the NBA or NHL. The Pacers are 100 miles away. Cleveland is about 200 miles away. Columbus with hockey is also 100 miles away. College basketball is like pro basketball around here with XU, UC, UK, UofL, Dayton, OSU, Butler, and IU. Cincinnati should build an arena around 15,000 seats and gear it towards attracting concerts, traveling acts, and conventions.
@@aaronswink8554 I don't know if 15K is big enough when you have to compete against arenas in the 18K-20K range in attracting major acts and conventions.
@fixpacifica They just can't make Louisville's mistake. The KFC Yum! Center (I hate that name with every fiber of my body) is a really nice arena. The plan was to try to woo a team like the Hornets or Grizzlies to Louisville with a shiny new toy. Didn't happen. UofL plays their games there but given all of the drama and losing these past 5+ years, they play to a lot of empty seats. Plus where the current Riverfront Coliseum is located, that has now been wedged between the outfield of GABP and the the approach to a bridge and a large parking garage. Spreading out will be tough and they might have to follow Montreal's example and go high and steep. Walking up the Centre Bell's upper levels makes you wonder if you need a Sherpa and some rope. So build it to your market size. Louisville didn't and they have this nice but too large arena that only sells out when the biggest shows come to town.
@@aaronswink8554 Cincy does not need NBA/NHL. They are more than happy with the B's and Reds. MLS added helps round it out. Ohio is strange because it is a balanced state population wise, all metros are basically the same size.
Boy, I'm sure glad Kansas City's Sprint Center (now T-Mobile Arena) "has done quite well" without an NBA or NHL team in the 17 years since it was built. 🤔
Cincinnati's only had two arenas in its history - Riverfront Coliseum (the facility referenced here; unless a sponsor pays me for using their name, I'm not doing it), preceded by the Cincinnati Gardens. The place also has a tragic history, being the site where 11 fans were crushed to death in a stampede of people trying to get into a concert by The Who. Indoor-based professional sports tenant or not, it's in Cincinnati's civic interest... and in the interest of putting that tragedy behind them to an extent... to build a new facility. It's also amusing to see that Mike Brown, who VOWED that the Bengals new stadium would NEVER sell naming rights and erase father Paul's name from the facility... went for the fast buck and sold out his father's memory. What a scuzzbucket.
Finally met someone else that refuses to use the sponsored name. Unless I get a cut, I’m not using that paid for name. I wish more people would do the same.
@@ec1628 Damned right.
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Cincy wants to get bigger! Thanks for making a video about our corner of the country.
They should do a turkey drop today to raise funds for the new arena.
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The fact that HARTFORD got a hockey team before Cincinnati should tell you something.
A team that they don’t have any more and will not have again long as Bettman is alive
Not surprised as this is an ongoing trend. Professional teams often demand - and get - a share of parking and concession revenue. That isn't the case with concerts. Many games are scheduled on weekends, the same dates most concert promoters desire. There are a number of arenas in smaller cities without pro teams that do well based on concerts and other events.
Bridgestone Arena in Nashville was built with no major league tenant in hand. It cost about $140 million in 1994 money. It worked out after a couple of years.
Build it and they will come ....or maybe they won't.
I lived in Cincinnati a long time (GO MUSKIES!!!) and know the current Riverfront Coliseum (forget corporate name) all too well. It's just way too old. The college arenas at Xavier and UC are right-sized for campus, but won't or can't get the bigger shows. Meanwhile, Louisville, Columbus, and Indianapolis all have new-ish arenas that have stayed modern these last 15-20 years. Outside of the WWE, the huge arena shows go elsewhere.
The current arena is in a great location. The riverfront has been transformed through The Banks project, and with Paycor getting major renovations, more action there. Build it on the water. And it will likely be a Louisville, Kansas City, and Omaha situation where there is a nice arena but no full-time tenants. But Cincinnati is really being held back in attracting top-tier shows due to a small, outdated, and honestly, shabby arena on prime real estate.
As mentioned by others, KCMO built the Sprint Center with no pro sports commitments, and it has never had a pro sports team. The Kings (NBA) and Scouts (NHL) both played at Kemper Arena (which still stands today, and got repurposed as a locally focused venue). Charlotte too, has been through several arenas since the 70s - the Spectrum Center being the newer one. Their legacy venue still stands as the laughably named Bojangles Arena, but stays quite busy, hosting the AHL Charlotte Checkers and the occasional "wrasslin'" event here and there, monster truck events, and so on...The future status of the Heritage wasn't mentioned if they do build the new arena, but as proven, a two venue city does work - especially if one has long since been paid off...This is the way it used to work. Cities would build venues for their own benefit, and teams would come along later and rent the space. But now it's "We want a free arena and we want to keep all the revenue from it too, and we'll give you a .300 team to fawn over..."...
KC built T Mobile Center with the intent of luring a pro sports team to city. Once they realized that the arena was better suited to be open to non sporting events they stopped actively pursuing a professional team to be a tenant.
Bring back the Cincinnati Royals
I was hoping someone was gonna bring that team up.👍
I see Cincy’s dome/arena initiative as play to potentially take business from nearby Indianapolis, which has a preponderance of championship events.
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Tulsa has the BOK center. Similar size with just a minor league hockey and indoor football team. I attended a few concerts there when I lived in OKC, and it’s pretty nice.
the concert market is better money marker than sport teams, also home of Proctor and Gamble so corpate name rights already sold
P&G has been quiet with putting their name on things. I thought they would grab Paul Brown Stadium's name right away, but Paycor got it. Great American Insurance, Cintas, 5/3 Bank, and TQL Logistics have the rest in town (besides what's discussed in the video). I'm surprised United Dairy Farmers hasn't put their name on something.
@ you are right. My guess is since 80 per cent of their costumers are women they don’t see value in male sport’s marketing
@@aaronswink8554 my late father used to stumble over that name and would call it “Farm Dairy”. 😂
But.... There's better cities that most tours would rather go to within a radius of Cincy
Especially when you have Swifties paying over $1500 for tix.
I work at a multi pourpose arena with no sports teams we have over 200 events a year, 80%+ concerts.
San Diego keeps talking about doing the same thing--but they are only shooting for a 16,000 seat arena (and the interested parties haven't said just what the seating capacities would be for various indoor sports). Either way, it would probably be too small for any visions of hosting a future NHL or NBA team (and yes--the NBA is a longer shot of the 2, since we've already lost 2 NBA teams).
That’s an interesting idea. I recall similar ideas when the local convention center was built to draw in larger conventions here in Portland many moons ago. But without a large hotel, we have still missed on major conventions and conferences.
Those special events are huge deals, and it makes a lot of sense to bring in those tourism dollars.
It’s rather ironic that this current stadium never hosted an NBA team. The Cincinnati Royals traded away their stars by 1970, and attendance suffered, so the team moved to Kansas City. Riverfront/Heritage opened up 4 seasons later.
I supposed if the ABA had survived another 4 seasons, another team might have played in Cincinnati (like the way Dallas, Houston, San Diego, Salt Lake City and New Orleans each had a couple of franchises off and in the late 60s- late 70s).
I thought it odd that Cincinnati didn't have a legacy NBA team (that is, one that's been around for a while) since in the past it's been one of the largest and most important cities in the US, and it's not that far west. So I did some looking. After getting the Royals from Rochester, they had one for a while, then lost it to Kansas City (and Omaha, in a bit of historical weirdness). But because there were already Royals in Kansas City, they had to rename it. In one of those times when history stutters, they then lost the team to California, just like they had with the Athletics. That team now? The Sacramento Kings.
wild how some paths teams have made in the life of the team. Like the pistons used to be in ft wayne indiana and went to the nba championship 2x. Anderson Indiana had a NBA team in 1949-50 and went to the NBA semifinals and had won the NBL championship the year before. and that NBA simifinal was played against the Lakers... Minnesota Lakers.
@Dratchev241 and at one time the Minneapolis Lakers were the main rival of the Rochester Royals. :-)
Just looking at it, I would try to put the highway underground in a "big dig" style and then make a nice neighborhood there which would make that stadium place better.
I attended some Cincinnati hockey games there during the late 1970's. If I recall right, some concert goers died there during a stampede barging into the place in the 80's. Closer to my home, Glendale Arizona's Desert Diamond Arena has done much better financially ever since they evicted the NHL Coyotes.
That's interesting an arena that didn't want an NHL team. 🤔
@@713davidh42 the arena was built for nhl team. nhl owner didn't want to pay his bills so glendale threw them out.
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Yes they should do it. Even if it means never getting an NHL Team that can be the new home for the Cyclones, it could bring in an NBA Team, and having more concerts is always great. They have a venue for concerts down at the banks, but having more than one is always a great option. What would also benefit this area is if shops and restaurants are built around it to connect it to The Banks allowing for more foot traffic along the riverfront.
I read a while back that the Blue Jackets are starting the process of re-negotiating their lease at the arena in Columbus. I wonder how long until they use this new Cincinnati arena as leverage.
Manchester (England) built an area that won’t fit a basketball court or hockey rink. They built it in a square shape because the concert market’s so strong.
Manchester has much better music than any city in the US.
Basketball and hockey (or ice hockey as we call it over here) are just not very big here in the UK so it would have made no sense to build it for these sports.
When the World Hockey Association folded and the NHL absorbed four teams, the Cincinnati Stingers were considered but the NHL opted for Hartford instead and Cincinnati has a long minor league hockey history.
I understand everyone's fear but the Sprint Center in KC ended up being an amazing investment and revitalized downtown KC.
Cincinnati is rhe birthplace of professional sports. The Red Stockings started in 1869 as fhe first professional sports team in the world.
Toronto Argos 1875. Oldest baseball
team however is Cincy.
Oops 1869. You win
Columbus, OH is only about 100 miles from Cincinnati, drive time 1 hour 50 minutes.
Roof estimate at Paycor seems crazy expensive, and I like outdoor stadiums for football regardless of the weather. However, if Cincy wants to draw say, the top musical acts in the world, they would need a football stadium. Rogers Centre is now a baseball only stadium, but Taylor Swift just finished selling out 6 shows in a row at 50,000+ per show. I believe she only plays stadiums (not arenas), and I suspect the same is true for Bruno Mars, Drake, The Weeknd, etc..
Build the new arena...its old which raises concerns (ingree&egres) ,If one thing I' have seen with the Oakland Arena is that it attracts the lesser known concerts, family shows ,etc. because of WHY ? Theres a relatively new Chase Center right on the other side of the Bay that draws in all the name concerts and shows catch my drift Cincinnati? Maybe put in 19,000 seats
Unless city/county/state taxpayers are all in for funding 70% of the arena, this seems foolish. Copps Coliseum (now FirstOntario Centre) in Hamilton, T-Mobile Center in Kansas City, Videotron Centre in Quebec City, etc...all built without first securing a team. All still without a team. NBA will expand to Seattle and Vegas and stay at 32. Next NHL expansion will likely be Houston and Atlanta. Blue Jackets moving to Cincy is the only possibility I see, but I'm skeptical.
With the Pacers and Blue Jackets being less than two hours away, I can't see Cincy getting an NBA or NHL team. Closer to my home, Simmons Bank Arena in North Little Rock gets better concerts than FedEx Forum in Memphis because North Little Rock doesn't even have a minor league basketball or hockey team. UALR doesn't play there. FedEx Forum houses the NBA Grizzlies and University of Memphis men's basketball. Simmons Bank Arena in NLR has more open dates for concerts.
Well, it would give the Cincinnati Bearcats a home worthy of its rival Louisville Cardinals' Yum Brands Arena.
No way Bearcats move off campus
Mike Brown's fleecing of Hamilton County, Ohio isn't enough for the residents of Greater Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky TM. At least there isn't a team threatening to leave town if the taxpayers don't finance a new facility for them. I-75 really, really, really needs a new bridge across the River to replace the obsolescent Brent Spence Bridge. If you're going to fleece the taxpayers, give them something everyone will use.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family, Brodie. Another interesting video, but like anything else, in 2024, 2025, when you talk about the public paying 70% of the bill, that is a non-starter. You need a group, with deep pockets, a professional league ready to expand, the NCAA ready to host multiple championship events, multiple events and groups that want to tour in the city. Thanks for your work, here on UA-cam.
they should keep it in the Riverfront Coliseum, I heard concerts are packed there
If it was a good idea a private company would do it. It’s a horrible idea. That being said I’m all for it because I live outside Hamilton county and I don’t have to pay for it. A brand new venue is opening with 23,000 seats 10 miles away in 2 years at 1/10 the cost. The new facility has zero chance of competing. But I say go for it. Just make sure there’s a street car that goes to it😂
you sound like an idiot who doesn't like the city. Stay away from cincy if you don't like cincy
Even if Cincinnati builds this and it doesn’t draw the NBA or NHL to the city, it’s still very much worth it. It’ll be similar to the T-Mobile Center in KC. That place is very busy with concerts, Big 12 basketball tournament every March, family shows, etc. every year despite not having a full-time tenant calling the place home. Cincinnati missed out on the 2016 RNC Convention to Cleveland and the 2022 NCAA Tournament 1st weekend to Indianapolis because their current arena is old and outdated. I’m sure the same could be said for concerts too. I think San Diego is also trying to build a new arena without the promise of an NBA or NHL franchise.
Cincinnati Cyclones drew considerably more when they played in Cincinnati Gardens. Riverfront Coliseum has had an awful aura about it since 11 people were killed before The Who concert on 12/3/79. A memorial plaque was placed at the Coliseum only three years ago. Note: the teens who died that day would have been in their early 60s now. It took 40+ years for the Coliseum's private ownership put up a memorial.
That bar graph comparing Cincy to those arenas that lack an AHL or ECHL team makes the hockey nerd in me sad.
Building a sports venue without a tenant. Welcome back Tropicana Field (1990-2024, 2024-)
Yes, we know how that goes in Seattle.
I would say it's about time they replaced the old Riverfront Coliseum, only hang up I think is wanting taxpayers to fork out 70% of the cost. taxpayers here in SW Ohio are already footing the bill for 2 stadiums in Cincy...both occupied by less than stellar teams. Happy Thanksgiving Brodie!
I'm A Clevelander,smart for Cincinnati to do this because the Browns looking to build their Jerry's World so I imagine that they don't want to be left behind when it comes to funds
Indianapolis built a giant dome in the middle of town, a few years later the Colts moved in. Are there any NHL or NBA teams currently keeping an eye on the real estate market?
The Bengals’ stadium is good for attracting acts like Taylor Swift, but I think a lot of performers would struggle to fill it. On the other hand, an indoor arena with out an NHL or NBA team may have an easier time attracting acts, as there’s a lot more flexibility in the schedule, especially when you figure in the time that it takes to do a conversion between ice, court, or floor, and the unknowns of the playoff season.
Sporting events at arenas are always the least profitable events for those arenas. The teams ‘rent’ is always below market value..
Ohio has an ironic "Three Body Problem": Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati. Amusingly, I think the NHL is best situated with the Blue Jackets (ownership is another story) in Columbus.
I don't think the McConnells are bad owners. They're hands off and not cheapskates. Almost too hands off tho. And their right hand man has made plenty of mistakes over the years.
Welcome to Kansas City circa 2007…. Don’t be duped. We were promised an NHL & NBA team & look how that wound up
So many of us have been told that KC is making money on the arena because there’s NO NBA or NHL team. I’ve heard there’s been a few years with losses, but generally, by not having an anchor tenant that demands most of the revenues while saddling the city with the costs, that the Sprint Center has turned out alright for KC. Are you disputing this?
Quebec City built a sports arena hoping for an NHL team which hasn't happened. That arena is over 12 years old.
I think Toronto wants to build a venue just for concerts to avoid scheduling with Raptors and Maple Leafs. It kinda makes sense.
I am suprised Toronto does not have a smaller 5-10K arena built just for concerts and smaller sized business conventions.
In the NYC area which has 2 NBA and 3 NHL teams, besides the famous Madison Square Garden, there is Brooklyn/Barclays, USB/Belmont Park Arena on Long Island and Prudential Center in Newark. So NYC/Northern New Jersey has 3 arenas that can also accommodate concerts, award shows and conventions besides their bread & butter sports.
Toronto did that already. It is soon opening a large outdoor concert venue on what used to be a small airport.
@@MatthiaGryffine Downsview Park area?
@@americangiant1003 they do have Coca Cola Coliseum for other events. I've been to a few WWE house shows. Plus Toronto Marlies and I think the future WNBA team. But not just for concerts.
Videotron Centre opened in 2015. It’s not over 12 years old.
Think about this: if they build a new arena in Cincinnati, they can still find a use for the old one. In Kansas City, Kemper was repurposed as a giant rec center. In Houston, the former Summit became Joel Osteen's church building.
And arena is always a much better investment for a city than a football or baseball stadium.
You can use it for a lot more than sports like concerts.
This is not a great idea. They tried it in Quebec City in hopes that it would attract an NHL team. It’s been years since they opened it and an NHL expansion team seems as far away as it has ever been.
You can have successful arenas without major sports teams
My cousin Wiley lives in Cincinnati, he said it's a huge hockey town.
Then why did Hartford get into the NHL, not Cincinnati?
@@davidlafleche1142 And what happened to the Whalers? Still in Hartford? Denver lost the (NHL) Rockies and got the Avalanche. Bay area lost the (NHL) Seals and got the Sharks. Winnipeg lost the Jets and got the.....Jets. Times change. I don't know how popular hockey is in Cincy, and I don't think building a new arena funded mostly by taxpayers is a good idea, but if fan interest is there, Jackets may move.
I do wanna say, if they go forward with this arena, it could kill any chance Louisville would get to have an nba team due to how close louisville and cincinnati are.
I could see the Pelicans relocating there, that franchise is bleeding money.
Irishman I think KC would be a much more priority for the Pelicans to move to then Cincinnati. Ditto for Louisville or Tampa assuming Vegas and Seattle are guaranteed expansion spots.
The Cavs may not be thrilled about a 2nd team in Ohio. Cincinnati makes more sense for a “G” League team and affiliate for either the Pacers or Cavs.
Pelicans are gonna relocate to San Diego
New Orleans is already one of the smallest markets and has an NFL team in town. Add shrinking population dues to threat of rising sea levels. I think adding an NBA team to Cincinnati in the long run would stress it's ability to support four major sports. Same thing with KC. San Diego is an under served pro sports market right now since the Chargers left.
@@daltontf what about St. Louis?
@@dreamcage1801 As lifelong St. Louisian in my '50s, I can't see an existing NBA team being willing to share the Enterprise Center with the Blues. If they want their own arena, not going to happen with the Cardinals ownership wanting $600M for unspecified "upgrades" to Busch. We need to keep Cardinals, Blues and CITY SC happy and hope that spring football actually works this time (Kaw is the Law!).
I think this is great for Cincinnati that they are willing to go it alone. The XL Center in Hartford was built as the Hartford Civic Center 50 years ago (same age as Heritage Bank Center). They are undergoing a massive back of house renovation and upgrade because they also have found that larger shows can't get into the building with the limited dock space of a 50 year old building. That said, the World Hockey Association (WHA), the American Hockey League (AHL) didn't fare well in Cincinnati and I don't think the Cyclones of the ECHL are faring a whole lot better. This makes it difficult for the NHL and NBA to give them a serious look.
You mean hockey hasn't fared well there? What about basketball teams?
IMO, hockey in Cincinnati was doing just fine until a couple of poor decisions. Moving the Cyclones downtown to Riverfront was unpopular and people correctly predicted attendance would suffer. Then the addition of the Mighty Ducks instead of promoting/moving the Cyclones from IHL to AHL split a solid market in two. And for the Cyclones fans who didn't want to bother going downtown, the Ducks gave them a reason to never even consider it. So when the AHL inevitably failed, part of the fans were already alienated. I think minor league hockey would do just fine given one team in a good location, not a PITA to get to, like Riverfront. I don't think there's enough financial/corporate support for the NHL.
@@kwilliams4031 Besides stadium attendees, any TV viewers highly interested in junior and minor hockey leagues?
Brodie You should do a video on the new SAN ANTONIO SPURS entertainment district the city wants to build. They unveiled the plan last week
For me, I don't see the logic of building a sports arena of any size just to have it. Unless they have money to spend to attract a team or teams, like Utah.
Plus, adding a billion dollar roof to a 25 year old football stadium is ludicrous!
It should have been part of the original plan!
The NHL has expressed interest in Cincinnati
Blue Jackets would be a hard No on Cincinnati. I know Bettman rattled off about 6 cities during and NHL All-Star Game weekend - may have included the city in that discussion - but he's always pumping how the league is so very popular in so many places - likely to use as leverage in new arena discussions for existing teams. I bet he'd say Anchorage is a possibility if someone asked him. Only chance is if Blue Jackets move to Cincy IMO.
@@michaelmarkowski204bluejackets have to literally give away tickets to fill the stadium. They have no rival, and dont make deep playoff runs. They would vote yes for cincy
@@robertsteinbacher6319 Very plausible. Who knows what's going on behind the scenes? Perhaps McConnell has already had preliminary discussions with Cincy / the county indicating that if an arena is built, he'd consider moving the team...?
@@michaelmarkowski204 far more likely than saying no. If you're worried about territory, Pittsburgh has already cannibalized Columbus for the NHL. They WILL need help eventually, if they want to be anything more cannon fodder for other teams (pun intended)
@@robertsteinbacher6319Why would we want a team only 100 miles away and taking two of our biggest secondary markets (Dayton)? Also the Jackets moving is disrespectful... We've put up with their perennially garbage on-ice product for decades now and still show up to the games.
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Thou I live in Atlanta, & a Deep Braves fan. I have been to Reds Games & very positive atmosphere, from my personal experience
I could see NBA coming there and perhaps playing a few games in Louisville a season as well
Sports aren't the only things that draw people to arenas as the concert market is way bigger and more profitable
Surprised neither D1 basketball teams Xavier or Bearcats are involved.
No way they would want to move off campus
NHL would be awesome. Great geographical rival for the Blue Jackets. NBA used to have the Royals in Cincy. Not sure where they went after.
They became the Kansas City-Omaha Kings in the 1972-73 season.
I think Cincinnati is too close and a threat to the Jackets. I'd be fine with Indy, but putting a team in Cleveland and/or Cincinnati could be asking for trouble. It works in MLS tho
With all the homeless that we have in every state, you’d think they’d prioritize housing vs another arena. If the state gives any money for this, someone will lose their job. JMO
If the National Lacrosse League is going to be "the next major league," let them be the prime tenant till the other two indoor sports relocate or expand there. Let the 'Nati fans build their own fandom from the ground up.
They are morons if they think it'll pay off. Arenas don't pay off WITH pro sports and concerts
The Oakland Arena had it's most profitable year ever after the Warriors left. That's because these teams take up 41 dates minimum plus playoffs and plus preseason which prevents them from hosting other events. The teams end up taking all the money for themselves. It's no surprise that Cincinnati believes they don't need a team.
5:42: The pro hockey chances to me don't seem anything above very slim. There is already a hockey team in Columbus and territorially the Pittsburgh Penguins are not that far away either. For an expansion, there are always groups together for the next NHL expansion in Houston and Atlanta. The NHL has said it wants expansion into significant new markets in order to grow the game of hockey. Both of these cities far outweigh Cincinnati in that regard.
There COULD be opportunity to grab at a relocation. The Winnipeg franchise is struggling with declining attendance and a deficient local market for corporate sponsorship opportunities and is probably the only possible relocation threat in the NHL. The issue for Cincinnati may be the league has been in an unpopular lens for years in Canada because of the small number of Canadian teams (8 ) teams in the league relative to US teams (24) in a "Canadian sport" and the fact that all new franchises granted in the last 30 years have been in the US. Moving a team from Canada to the US, while bypassing a city like Quebec and thus leaving Canada with only 7 teams in a 32 team league may be backlash the league may not want.
Columbus is too close for the NHL to expand to Cincy. I think Indy has a better shot if any city in the Midwest would get a team which won’t happen because Simon won’t let it. The NHL would be smart to look at Louisville because they don’t have any pro teams and KFC Yum! Center can fit a rink inside. Louisville is a very underrated market in my opinion.
I think the new arena is a good idea. Cincinnati is a great city. The cyclones are well established and they should be promoted to an AHL level team. I wouldnt be supeised of the pacers or cavs put their G-league team there. Also Herritage Bank arena is very very crampted.
Cincinnati, Ohio's arena is the Riverfront Coliseum/Firstar Center/US Bank Arena/Heritage Bank Center. 🤷♂️🤦♂️
Fun Fact (maybe not so fun..?) Reason Louisville's arena is called the KFC Yum! Center is because the company that develops, operates, and franchises KFC / Taco Bell / Pizza Hut franchises is called "Yum! Brands" and is headquartered in Louisville. Whoever came up with the exclamation point idea is a marketing genius IMO. 😄
So what is the city and county going to do about the aging Paul Brown stadium that they're still paying for ?
Just build a new indoor stadium for the bengals that can convert to concerts. Better use of money. Let the team play for it with some help from the city in terms of bonds that get paid back by the team ie the Vikings model.
Baltimore's arena was outdated when it was built in the 1960s..... They still don't have a replacement while cities 1/10th the size have bigger and modern arenas...
I don't think Cinci will get a ton of NCAA tournament games, and definitely not the men's Final Four, since that only goes in NFL domes now. With Dayton less than an hour away hosting the First Four every year does the NCAA want to then turn around and give a weekend to neighboring Cincinnati?
Indianapolis has the NBA, Columbus has the NHL. I doubt those are options for Cincinnati. Maybe the Cyclones could move to the AHL. That and more concerts are probably the best hope with a new arena in Cincinnati.
Seating capacity is good but the concourses are VERY small. Access is poor. Like you said, footprint is quite small.
IMO you don’t do this project unless you have a guaranteed NBA or NHL tenant. And no chance of NHL with Columbus nearby and tiny chance of NBA.
You have to ask the question, can the state of Ohio support two NHL teams on opposite sides of state. If there was a NHL team in Cincinnati, they can draw fans from Northern Kentucky and become a regional team
@ Columbus is only 100 miles away. Maybe if a team was in Cleveland then a Cincy team could work.
@@BF2021-kf8xz Bring back the Barons.
They should try to bring the Stingers back.
Don’t forget about the AHL Cincinnati Cyclones
Riverfront Arena is nice enough but dated. There is no point in building a new building a without a team to full 40 nights a year.
Of course I loved the cavernous Richfield Coliseum that could fit just short of 24,000 for a concert.
They had an NBA team once. Bring back the Cincinnati Royals.
The Heritage Bank Center is a dump that hasn't been renovated since 1970. The echl Cyclones are a well attended team.
Cincinnati will never get an NHL team with Columbus 1.5 hours away. NBA won't happen as Indianapolis is 1.5 hours away & Cleveland is 3.5 hours away.
Bring back the Stingers.
A building in a city is a good thing as far as conventions and concerts go.
However major pro tenants are a hassle.
Is it a big enough market for an NBA or NHL team? They are not talked about as a relocation or expansion market.
They supported a USL soccer team so well that that the MLS couldn't ignore them despite having a team in Columbus. Both the NBA and NHL have more attractive options.
They're a big enough market, but they're not a priority market.
I always enjoy the Cincinnati Open. That stadium is owned by Emma Navarro's billionaire father.
this maybe why there rumors Cincinnati wants a NHL team if they get one great
No no no the public should not have to pay for this
If Kansas City could do it, so can Cincinnati
NHL ain't happening. Cincinnati is too close to Columbus, I think they'd be able to veto
Does the Oakland Coliseum make more money after Warriors left?