Hey, everyone! I'm really appreciating all of the feedback and discussion! It's meant a lot to me! I've been getting a lot of questions about where the edit is located and I definitely should have specified in the video. I don't believe I can actually legally upload any of these edits so there isn't really any way for anyone to watch my work. However, I'm strongly considering making a second video that will be basically an "instruction manual" walk-through on how to put this together yourself. Hopefully, that's somewhat helpful. Also, omebody in the comments just raised the point that it doesn't make sense for me to trim so much from the entire franchise just to leave in all of Clone Wars, which made me realize one of the points I forgot to include in this video. I actually ignore about 50% of the Clone Wars series whenever I watch it, because, yeah, way too much of it is filler. So, in case anybody cared, that's that. Thanks for bringing that up @chunguschungus :P
This is an impressive project. A problem though is one of your fixes. The worst part of the revenge of with is yoda and sideos duel is at the same time as anakin and Obi-wan. Anikin and Obi-wan is supposed to be so emotional but you can’t invest because it has to keep cutting away to another fight. I think your adding another fight on top of that with Ashoka just makes the problem worse
I get that, yeah. I guess you'd probably just have to watch my edit for either of us to fully figure that out, but, I can at least say now that I think the "three finales" work incredibly. As I said in the video, it doesn't feel like too much because it's the climax to three-hours of buildup and it feels appropriately grand. Plus, the Yoda and Sidious fight ends much sooner than the other two, and seeing what Ahsoka is dealing with at the same time as Anakin and Obi-Wan adds a lot of emotion. At least in my opinion. :)
ACTUALLY I LIKE MORE ASHOKA VS MAUL OVER YODA VS SIDIOUS MAYBE FIRST YODA VS SIDIOUS (BECAUSE YODA IS ALREADY AT CORUSCANT) AND THEN ASHOKA VS MAUL AND OBIWAN VS ANAKIN PLUS AFTER ANAKIN VS OBI WAN SIDIOUS ARRIVES TO MUSTAFAR SO IS KINDA WEIRD THAT YODA TAKE THE SAME TIME AS OBIWAN TO ARRIVE TO THE BATTLE AND THEN SIDIOUS ARRIVE TO MUSTAFAR TOO
5:10 whenever I have someone watch the clone wars, I always intercut the final episodes with Revenge of the Sith. It just makes everything work so much better
@@SpFlash1523 it does in very small ways but it doesn’t make it any less awesome. The story was written to fit with ROTS why would watching it together be a bad thing?
Interesting video essay that addresses a lot of my problems with Star Wars as a whole franchise. Will you be posting the edit somewhere for others to access?
Thanks, I appreciate that! I'm working on a second video that walks through how to make the edit yourself, but I can't upload the whole edit without that being very illegal. :P
For me, I'd start someone going in release order for 4, 5, 6, then 1, 2, 2003 CW, and 3. Then I'd say to just watch whatever in whatever order. 2008 CW can be watched later since it's really long.
That might be the best way to go about it, yeah. I didn't mention it in the video but I also ignore almost half of the Clone Wars when I watch it and show other people, because like 50% is pure filler.
@BlackMaleSpirituality but the twist that Darth Vader is Luke's father must be preserved, so if someone is watching for the first time then starting with 4 is best.
13:46 no the whole point is that Obi wan knew Anakin would be arrogant enough to want to kill him personally and Obi wan lures him to try and pull the same thing he did against Maul in episode 1 only he was prepared for it It makes total sense
I acknowledged that in the video. Even if this is the explanation it still isn't set up well and is a deflating conclusion to the fight, considering all the insanity that came before.
No it makes absolutely no sense. That is why "I have the high ground" is a meme in the first place. The theater burst out laughing when he said that. After *all that*, Obi-Wan stands on a hill and suddenly has an advantage that ends the match? Nowhere in that scene does it seem like Obi-Wan is baiting him so he can chop him up. Anakin could have done anything else and the fight would've continued.
The dialogue is definitely bad yes and it’s funny but having actual high ground in a battle like that is a big advantage and yes he is obviously baiting him
@@johnb2422 It's not about him magically having the high ground. Anakin spent years recreating the duel between Maul and Obi-Wan with the programmed droid, to the point that Obi-Wan knew his obsession with that (and ultimately Anakin's obsession with Obi-Wan during his earlier training years) as well as Palpatine being able to see just how troublesome Anakin's attachment to Obi-Wan would be (and made him subtly manipulate Anakin into turning against Obi-Wan). Obi-Wan KNEW with certainty that Anakin would use that move because of his attachment to Obi-Wan and his need to prove himself. Obi-Wan didn't need to bait him, Anakin would instinctively do it. And yes, you may argue that this information is not in the movie but in comics and books, BUT... That's the beauty of Star Wars. It's not about one specific movie or how bad the sequels are. It's not even only about the movies. It's about the sense of community, the joy of searching for these hidden tidbits of information, creating fandoms of our own, our own canon universe, getting to have a spin-off show of out favourite characters, learning about the galaxy and it's people, flora and fauna, architecture and technology, learning about the political conflicts and religious beliefs and contemplating about them. This is what George Lucas intended to do. Maybe not immediately, but gradually and over time. It's a franchise for us nerds and geeks who will find safe space in this bubble of ours and spend hours analyzing it, reading about it, debating and arguing. Even create our own fanfics and creative works inspired by that. Force, there even is Jediism as an actual religion because of that sense of community (despite me not personally being a part of it). It's supposed to expand and brouden your views about your own perception, the world we live in and how we think and act. The main point of Star Wars is about Buddhism, Stoicism, Konfucionism alongside the politics, Fachism, Nationalism. If you dig deeper it can expand your vocabulary, help you understand how the world we live in is not so different from what we see on screen, help you see how you can choose what you want to be. In my humble opinion, I think Star Wars is meant to do all that, pull us into the whole world, not just one story about Luke and Anakin. It's not just about them. It's also about us and our interaction with the universe and franchise. It's the way it makes you think, learn and grow as a person. For me, I grew up on Star Wars, like many of you guys (I was 2003). My dad showed it to me in chronological order when I was 5 and I was hooked. I didn't get to experience the friendzy it caused when the Original Trilogy came out or even when Prequel Trilogy (which is my favourite and I shall defend the PM and AoTC till my last breath, lol (And, yes I am one of those crazy fangirls that are obsessed. Sue me. I like it. It doesn't harm anyone but my sanity.)), but I was introduced to it like my father was introduced to it when it first started (and alongside other franchises like Indiana Jones, Jurassic Park, Pirates of the Carribean and MCU). It build me as a person I am today. Kriff, I still watch some SW media on a weekly basis. It helped me build character, learn English (my second language), helped me learned how to think for myself and even what kind of a person I want to be (both spiritually and with how I behave and act towards others), it gave me hope and sense of excitement about the future and introduced me to that sense of community and connectedness as well as the feeling of being seen and being able to relate to my favourite characters AND my least favourite characters (helping me realize my flaws and how to fix them). Even today, at 21, I'd find myself in a stressful or shitty situation and a thought like "What would Qui-Gon do?" or "Obi-Wan had experienced far worse and still stayed on the Light Side" or even "You're not alone in this. when Obi-Wan was a Padawn he had the same existential crisis, and many other people irl probably do to" would cross my mind, and suddenly I'll find myself being mindful (and of the future, but not at the expense of the moment ;) ), calming down, or even laughing. Hell, I even learned to meditate and do it daily because it is good for me, and I'll always be grateful for the franchise that made all that possible and gave me all these wonderful memories and thoughts to think and contemplate about. And yes, I might be in too deep, or crazy, or overthinking it. It may not be that deep and all that. But it is that deep to me. It's a core part of me. Finding and exploring the SW franchise as a whole, not just one main story. And there are many other who are thinking and experiencing SW like me who'll tell you the same thing. We love exploring it all, using the SW slang, sending each other memes or quoting the movies. The point I'm trying to make is... And I'm not trying to offend anyone or be rude here... But you really don't have to watch it all. You don't have to like it all. You don't have to give it any thought. But don't hate it. There's no reason to hate it. Yes, even though Sequels suck and I'm not a fan of them, I still appreciate them from the cinematic standpoint AND because they teach us how capitalism can change and influence things we love. The SW thaught me how not to get attached to SW to the point that it would make me sad and hateful watching it. I just like it despite the flaws. Instead of hating them, create something from it. Like this video for example. It's a solid video. Yeah it has a few weird unexplored points and maybe the guy didn't get the SW fully, but he took SW and created something new that fitted him. And that's the point of it. He changed it so it worked for him, he didn't hate on it. Even if it's bad, it can still inspire you to make some good out of it. So, thank you for coming to my TEDtalk. May the Force be with you! And FOR THE REPUBLIC!!!
Nononononono Andor is great, Clone wars s7 is great, Rebels is solid especially in it’s last two seasons, Mando seasons 1 and 2 are good, episode 7 is good, episode 9 is fun, solo is good but most importantly rouge one rules
@@JusMichae1-b9f Wouldn't call most of those great but sure those shows aren't awful, I liked Andor a lot and some of Mando. Episode 7 is the worst movie ever made, no reunion of the heroes, threw out 100x worth of 100x better EU stories for a soft reboot (aka garbage) story, almost nothing original, horrible new characters with nothing interesting going on (Finn being a clone is somewhat interesting and thrown out immediately), making Han and Leia divorced and killing Han for no reason, lame villains like pouting baby Ren, lame Empire rehash. TFA is worse than TLJ because TFA was the model for what much of Disney Wars would be, lame rehashes of better content, even stuff in TLJ like Luke giving up can be blamed on TFA for throwing him in an island somewhere. TLJ at least had something of a vision even if it wasn't good, JJ Abrams is a soulless hack. Episode 9 is incompetent but yea it's really funny and the best of the sequels because at that point the story is already dead so who cares, at least Palpatine and Exegol looked really cool probably the most creative things in all the sequels.
I do hope that the opener to your edit with scenes from TPM and AotC features most of (if not all) the scenes about the relationship between Anakin and Shmi. Anakin's turn to the dark side and his obsession with saving Padmé in RotS doesn't work at all without knowing and most importantly seeing that relationship
@josephchaney4964 That's great to hear. I'm one of those people who think that The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones are necessary for Revenge of the Sith to (barely) work, with the relationship between Anakin and Shmi being one of the major (though not the only) reasons as to why, so it's nice to know that this is acknowledged in your edit
@@HMMadsen Yeah, I totally get that. As I'm reading a lot of these comments and thinking through more ways to work on my Star Wars narrative, I'm considering editing Attack of the Clones and the Phantom Menace into one movie as well, with TPM being flashbacks and AOTC being the main story. Just starting to think on it though, it's an incomplete idea. :/
There's already someone who have made an extended edition of star wars 3 with a 4 hours long movie including Star wars clone 2003 battle of corruscant, the 4 last episode of the clone wars, the deleted scene + the original star wars 3
Definitely wanna second the shoutout for NumeralJoker's cut! If you can handle the visual whiplash it really is the best version of RotS I've seen. Even has all the deleted scenes.
Yeah, I saw a few people doing the same general idea, but not really the same in execution. I don't remember which one it was but I know somebody basically just tossed the full-length CW episodes into ROTS and I thought that was pretty deflating. It's so much more fun to splice them together in all the right places. :)
Imagine editing, chopping up and basically taking out all of the nuances, the innovation, creative choices, and experimental storytelling on the part of George Lucas, and turning it into an easy consumer basic narrative for casual fans. That is basically an insult to George Lucas, and yes while you did ignore 90% of Disney's stuff, you also took out two of the most important films in the saga, that being The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones, which are vital to Anakin's storyline, not just TCW and Revenge of the Sith. Without TPM and AOTC, you get none of the relationships between Anakin and his mother, or his relationship with Padme, you don't get Anakin's first steps to the Dark Side with the Tuskens, nor anything with Qui-Gon Jinn who is an important character in the narrative, nor anything else from those movies. You also destroy the vision of Lucas by removing the Special Edition changes, which was meant to be the definitive versions of the Original Trilogy, CGI and all, as Lucas himself was dissatisfied with the initial effects. Accordingly, Star Wars was not meant to be seen like your typical Modern Hollywood film. Star Wars is a Space Opera, One movie, Six parts. A series of independent Experimental films by one man, who made his films to be reminiscent of 1930's TV serials, Westerns, silent films, avante garde documentaries and the like. People who don't understand George Lucas's sensibilities, try to paint Star Wars as this casual goer sci-fi experience, and that is primarily the fault of Disney, who have turned it into corporatized commercial MCU-style slop for casual audiences. As far as I'm concerned, and George Lucas are concerned, Star Wars is Six films, Episodes I-VI. The Clone Wars is bonus material, and while it has some elements to add on to Anakin's story, it is not important to the overall core of Anakin's story.
I'm honestly so excited I'm getting so many in-depth comments like this on my video! It's been so cool to see! But, in all honesty, I believe you are fundamentally wrong here. The vast majority of what I removed from the Star Wars franchise is either unneeded "bonus content" from Disney or just straight-up, objectively bad films. Yes, TPM and AOTC do technically add additional lore to the Star Wars story but they do it so poorly (and the films themselves are so awful) that it's really not worth keeping around. I'd rather have those two stories completely cut from the canon and lose out on the tiny amount of things they get right, then keep the vast amount of things they get wrong, and have to sit through two deeply flawed movies. You hear it literally all the time with stories: "less is more." I removed two films that are objectively not good, regardless of personal preference, and that, when you add in Clone Wars, have everything important covered in them anyway. Everything you said I'd be missing out on is covered to some extent in the Clone Wars, and in a far superior way. Clone Wars is what brings the subtlety, nuance, and etc. The prequels are either obnoxiously simple or so poorly executed that it's impossible to tell if the subtext was even intended by Lucas. I'd feel this way about any franchise. If they made a trilogy all about Frodo it might technically "add more lore" to the original LOTR films, but if those Frodo movies are all terrible I would rather them just not exist, even if Peter Jackson made them. I mean, is that not even already true to a certain degree with the Hobbit films? Basically, there is no "dumbing down" of the franchise here. No nuance is taken away. None of this is made more for casual fans. This is not comparable to an MCU-style storyline. It is Star Wars refined down to its very core, simply removing the bad and emphasizing the good. It's, I would say, the very definition of less is more. So, while you might personally prefer TPM and AOTC in your Star Wars viewing order (which is totally fair!) to make all of these claims is just blatantly unfair and wrong.
@@josephchaney4964 The criteria you're supposed to use when judging a piece of art, is to see how far an author or artist reached their goals, not what you'd want out of it.
@@OfficialRaveBlitzI’m with ya. You sound versed in Rick Worley’s Star Wars takes, and if not, he highlights those points in the best way I’ve seen on the platform. Art is best dictated by its artist
I actually agree with you here but in a different way. Star Wars should have started with Episode 2 but drastically altered to make Anakin less whiny. Have the romance between Anakin and Padme build up. Have them start off as just friends with friendly banter. They had a perfect opportunity to do in our film where the Jedi assign Anakin to Padme we can keep that and play off that. Episode 2 well my episode 2 would have been durning the Clone Wars. Obi Wan goes to great lengths in New Hope talking about it. Yet in the movies themselves we don’t get much of it expect like the end of it. Why not have a 2 hour movie showcasing one or two of the story lines from Clone Wars? Not only would we see a more mature Anakin but it would hit even harder in Revenge of the Sith when we see him turn into Vader. Idk just thought. To me episode 1 we have currently is just a nothing burger of wasted potential. To me if they had started the story like this we would have a way better story.
Yeah, I totally get this! I've actually been talking with a friend of mine who loves the prequels about how I could come back to this project and re-incorporate Episode I and II. It's an unfinished idea, but I'm thinking about maybe making them just one movie, where the focus is on Episode II's plot and everything Anakin-related from Episode I is treated as flashbacks or something. Just a thought right now, because, yeah, it would be nice to have a stronger opening than what the Clone Wars offers. But, as I mentioned in the video, TPM and AOTC are simply too awful to be that in their current state.
I think the "I have the high ground" line was meant to have a double-meaning aside from what it literally means. As in, Obi-Wan is correct, Anakin is being foolish, and they both know it. "It," being their fight, not just physically but also their conflicting view points, should come to a conclusion, because Kenobi has the moral high-ground over Anakin. Of course, Skywalker refuses his once-friend's final plea to stop his nonsense. Of course, there being a deeper meaning behind stuff doesn't really fix it if you fundamentally find it silly, and I don't think your mind will change on this, but I do hope that another perspective on this scene can at least help you appreciate it a bit more! Admittedly, I'm coming from the perspective of unabashedly loving every second of the prequel trilogy, so consider that this may be coloring my perspective into seeing things that aren't there, but I personally have faith that this was intentional considering just how much Lucas' Star Wars films consistently have available to dig deep into and interpret over all six of them
I've actually never heard this before and while I definitely like the idea, I just don't think it was represented well. I absolutely love when things have deeper meaning and subtext but I think it's fair to say they can't be too vague to the point that nobody is even sure if the subtext is really there. If it were just highlighted a little better (and phrased a bit different) I might prefer its inclusion. Thanks for mentioning this! :)
Yeah, that was one of the harder things to lose, but I feel it's worth it. Although, from hearing a lot of these comments, I have been considering making a combined edit of TPM and AOTC so maybe that'll be a way to get him in there. :P
I really want to see a Revenge of the Sith remake in the Clone Wars animation style. It's not meant to replace RoTS, rather it's intercut with scenes from the end of TCW to make basically this video here, but consistently animated instead of cutting between animation & live action.
I would absolutely love to see this! I prefer the animation and voice performances in the Clone Wars to live-action too so it'd be really incredible to see. Plus, they could make a lot of adjustments to the script to fix the problems it has.
I like where you are coming from. Star Wars where it stands right now is mid. If I watch it in a bubble it feels great. I will show my kids in release order when they are old enough. 4-5-6 1-2-3 Clone Wars (All) From then on I’ll do whatever I want. I could care less about 7-8-9. If they really like Clone Wars I will open the door to Ahsoka Rebels Mando +The other media not named. If they don’t like 7-8-9 and boba fett all the other BS. No issue. Stick to what you like. They do not impact the main story at all.
I appreciate that! I think that's a pretty great way to go about it. Even if some of the films are bad, it's important to see them all to understand the whole picture. And, it's how most fans got introduced anyway (I would assume).
I think we see eye to eye in more ways than just what you mentioned because we disagree with certain things and that makes me respect your opinion more. The best way that I can describe my transition from loving to trying not to loathe Star Wars was when I realized that return of the Jedi wasn’t as much of what Star Wars is as I thought when I was younger. There’s always been a vast amount of material in the EU, and it was up to us as fans to determine what was just fun fan fiction and what was considered cannon. A good example is that most of us don’t think Han died after crashing into the American mid west and being killed by native Americans and chewy is the legend of Sasquatch. But undisputedly, everything on screen was cannon. That’s pretty frustrating now because Disney treats it like it’s not. But with ROJ specifically, I decided that teddy bears killing imperial storm troopers with rocks and arrows wasn’t Star Wars. Everything that movie did was fantastic with the tragedy of a story they were telling and ROS was equally impactful in that same way. People that throw out, well you hated the prequels at first too, but understand that we’re being critical of what we love. We know that all of the movies have their flaws and being unable to acknowledge that is disingenuous.
I actually never really got that into the EU besides the Force Unleashed and a few books, so I guess I can't fully understand that problem. I do definitely relate that Disney is treating the canon horribly, especially considering nothing they've made took any of George Lucas's vision into account. And, so, to strike down the EU just to create a bunch of corporate fan-fiction is a really scummy way to treat the fans. I like that you mentioned acknowledging the flaws in the films. It seems like we're at a point where if you criticize a film at all or label it as bad tons of people discount your perspective. I've been seeing that a lot in this comment section; people unable to accept that just because I have a lot of things I dislike about the franchise doesn't mean I'm not a real fan, or that I don't understand the story. I'd love to hear what you disagree with in this video by the way! :)
@@josephchaney4964I know you don’t doubt this, but you are a real fan. I don’t see that a lot in the younger generations, but you and I aren’t really that far apart. I abandoned my unwanted HS graduation party to see ep III opening night. (Which I fell asleep during because I stayed up the previous night finishing my friend’s custom Jedi robes of the character of their choice as my graduation gift to them) this is all top level and I can tell by a few comments that we likely disagree on other specific things, but my brother in law who’s much closer to your age thinks Solo is the best movie and no matter how many times I try to understand that, we just have to disagree on that even though I really respect his perspective overall. The main thing in this video that I disagree with is that you think II and III ended one the same note or that they told the same story from different perspectives. Nice try, Alec, fool me once. Both stories needed to be told separately even if the structure followed the overall theme. I don’t know if you saw the acolyte, but I just watched that for the first time over the holiday. Combining II and III leaves you with the same abrupt switch that was force fed to you in that show. I think it should have been hinted at far more in ep I that anikin had these dark side tendencies, but they wanted to make him as a child as likeable as possible for the story to return full circle. Disagreeing doesn’t mean one person is right or wrong, it just means what I said was true. From a certain point of view. ;)
@@chrismathis5601 That's honestly really cool! Genuine hardcore Star Wars fan stuff :D Not sure if I'm totally understanding your point, but I'm saying here that Clone Wars and ROTS end at the same point, not AOTC and ROTS. But maybe that was just a typo idk :P But, if you're saying you don't agree that ROTS and Clone Wars should be merged than I can understand that. I just prefer them to be combined but I can totally get why someone would prefer to experience those two stories independently of each other. And, no, I didn't see the Acolyte and have no plans to. Ever since I made this edit I've been pretty tapped out on all the new Star Wars stuff, living in my little bubble of contentment, lol. Plus, I've heard mostly bad things so it doesn't seem I'm missing out.
@@josephchaney4964 I did misinterpret that. Thanks for catching it. I’d have to reevaluate it from that lense before I could comment. I think you captured it pretty well when you said it hit on the most important aspects of the story though. I think Disney did this with Star Wars too, but I know they put the MCU in chronological order on their platform. I didn’t want to because the amount of content I hadn’t seen, nor did I care to watch feel insurmountable, I ticked away at it gradually because I wanted to understand. I saw endgame in theaters with a friend and they leaned over to ask me if I had any idea what was going on and I leaned back to say, “No fucking clue”. I didn’t know antman or strange, or Loki for that matter, but there was all this content that was suddenly relevant. Probably what you would have felt if the EU was still cannon. I don’t have time for all of this, I’d like to just be able to appreciate the main storyline and that be extra. Has a lot to do with Asoka falling flat for me. I only watched it for thrawn storyline and they did his character dirty. I had no idea who Ezra was or several of the others.
@@chrismathis5601 Yeah, that's legitimately one of the biggest problems. It really is just way too much stuff. I find it's really fun to be swept up in a long, sweeping narrative the first time around but afterwards I just want all the fat cut out. I quit Marvel when the TV shows started so I totally get what you mean. I can't tell by your comments, but have you seen the Clone Wars series?
I think a lot of you to this day have a misunderstanding of the story the prequel trilogy tells and what the purpose of each film is can’t go over everything but I have some main points about the overall narrative. I’ll grant the films have some strange or flat out underwhelming execution in some ways. The main positive from TPM is Qui-Gon’s character and how starting with Anakin as a kid adds more depth to him. Qui-Gon was the father Anakin needed that’s why duel of fates is played during the battle, if he didn’t die Anakin would never have been able to turn I like Anakin and Obi-Wan’s dynamic in AOTC I’ve never brought into the idea just bc Obi calls him a good friend in the OT their relationship was perfect that’s not realistic or as interesting. Everyone ignores him mentioning he failed to instruct him properly, the whole point of the prequels being to show how it happened, and that Anakin is a Padawan in AOTC. Only scenes of Padme that feel off are the but I am grown up meme and the cheesy one towards the beginning of ROTS on the balcony. I would also swap the placement of the first kiss and meadow scene never understood why they jumped to a kiss that fast then follow with a scene that makes it more believable they would. If you look at AOTC deleted scenes you’ll realize they should have kept the Padme ones in TCW Anakin is not an alternate version of the character it’s the same character as in the films only difference is that TCW is showing more of him outside of those scenarios in the films that were meant to depict drama and conflict. TCW Anakin is a little more comedic I’ll grant but that applies to TCW at large. As some have mentioned they can’t even see TCW Anakin turning that’s exactly my point about why the films were made the way they are I’m not gonna rehash the film again but the premise of ROTS is that through Anakin being blinded by his love for Padme he’s not thinking straight throughout the film enabling Sidious’ manipulation. Even when he’s denied the rank of master yeah his reaction is the real him but the reason he’s lashing out is bc of the stress from thinking about Padme’s fate. He would otherwise pause briefly thinking to himself that’s bs since the council is too stupid to explain to him the difference between the criteria for a knight vs a master (which isn’t ever made clear it’s something you have to piece together) then take a seat. When he tells Padme the Jedi have tried to overthrow the Republic he genuinely believes that hence why Obi says he was deceived by a lie Dave Filoni said the reason he wanted Ahsoka dead as Vader is bc she reminds him of his past. He wants to forget and believe his friends betrayed him bc the truth hurts too much. A common compliant I think is somewhat of a good point is the last confrontation between Anakin Padme and Obi being flawed. Was Anakin too quick to attack Padme? Realistically yes they just had to get her out of the picture so they could fight from that prospective it’s more tragic bc Padme may have been able to talk him out of it. Just think how different things would have been if Obi-Wan didn’t show up there specifically. It also serves to articulate how far he has fallen giving Obi-Wan less reason to think he can change him. Don’t forget that the dark side corrupts your mind. Obi-Wan could have tried to talk it out more and Anakin could have shown more reluctance to kill him but the basic premise is that Anakin doesn’t plan on backing down and Obi-Wan won’t join him leaving no other choice but to fight. So while it’s not how it would have gone if we had a TCW version of these events it’s still passable My main critic of the prequel trilogy is just that TPM and AOTC alone aren’t enough to supplement ROTS which is luckily somewhat fixed by the existence of TCW. Many old EU fans critic TCW as an inferior version of the EU and many call it overrated in general due to a lot of it being more like filler but that’s missing the point. TCW is loved because it’s an entertaining cohesive supplement to the films unlike the old EU which while having some good things (see Geetsly’s video on Dooku for instance) is a chore to research and mostly boring to go through. The ROTS novelization which stands on its own is the one of the few old EU content that’s really worth reading
I was 19 when TFA released. I wanted to love it but I couldn't. I didn't hate it either, but I wasn't happy, and I didn't know why. Then Rogue One was released, and almost all my worries were gone. I loved it. Then TLJ came out, and I was heartbroken.
I would love to! I don't think there's literally any way I can do that legally, but I am considering making a second video that's basically an instruction manual on how to put this together. I know that would require editing experience but it's the best I can do I think. :/
Yeah, that's true if what you want from the story is lore and endless content. But, if you just want the core story that was started in the 70's than I think what I've done here is pretty close to the way to go. Every single movie, series, book, or etc. ever created could be franchised and have a million stories told in its world. It doesn't mean that should be done or that the existence of those should be praised. For the people that just want the core Star Wars story to be as best as it can be, I think what I've got here is pretty close. There's nothing wrong with not wanting a million spin-offs. :)
I'm considering creating a second video that's basically an instruction manual "how-to" for anyone who wants to watch this. Because I don't think I can legally upload this, lol. But I still would love others to be able to watch it.
I think from what I heard before it released in 1976, George Lucas originally intended to have Star Wars just as one big long story instead of stories that have been split into three to make a trilogy and have the Death Star in the final act. And while I somewhat understand that it could have flopped if it were to be done in that aspect, I sorta respect the way Star Wars is today since the story is mostly about the Skywalker Legacy. Revenge of the Sith is one of my all-time favorite stories because it's what bridges the gap 19 years between that and the first one. What's also interesting is that there was supposedly a four hour cut of Revenge of the Sith, but was never finished due to I think some scenes that were left unfinished or something. And something similar happened with a six hour cut of Phantom Menace. I guess how you have your own opinion with fixing some part of Star Wars is something I can respect since some fans are wanting to make their own revitalized editions of the Sequel Trilogy while some other fans want them to be out of existence. Then again, I daresay some of your edits to Clone Wars S7 and Episode III sorta blends to the fact that it could make a nice four hour cut of Episode III. 💙
Thanks! I've never heard about Lucas wanting the OT to be one big long story. I'll have to look into that more! And, yeah, if there's more to be seen of ROTS I think that'd be fantastic. However, I'm a little hesitant considering most of the deleted scenes we have gotten to see are pretty goofy and don't add much.
Makes sense. However, there's a few deleted scenes for Episode III that are quite interesting. A few of them are Anakin and Palpatine having their talks and another of how Padmé talks to Bail and Mon Mothma about politics and stuff like that which is quite interesting to learn from since THOSE types of deleted scenes would be interesting to see. I think there's also a specific moment in the Matthew Stover where Obi-Wan talks with Padmé about Anakin and how he wants to help him and all that. Which is actually quite sad because the book gives us a bit of the same information to what has happened in the movie with expanded material that just gets you right in the heart. My favorite part of the Episode III novelization by Matt Stover is at the very end with the saying: "This is how it feels to be Anakin Skywalker, forever." That part in the book alone is just so gut-wrenching because it's a constant reminder that Darth Vader is not just some tyrannical monster who's done all evil in the galaxy... but, he was once a youthful boy who dreamed of being a Jedi and was later grown to be a broken man who lost almost everything and everyone in his life. He lost Obi-Wan, Padmé and all those people... but, the only one he didn't lose was his son, Luke. And I absolutely love the Skywalker Legacy because it's the story of a man who was later to become the monster everyone knows and feared as children before being spared and given a chance of redemption in the Original Trilogy. 💙
@@richarde.skywalker1977 Fair, yeah, those particular scenes are great! I guess I was thinking too much about the extra scenes with grievous in the hallway and stuff like that, lol I've never read the novelizations but that sounds really beautiful. I feel like it'd be really incredible to see a "perfect" version of Star Wars where all the best parts of the movies, shows, novels, and EU merge into some masterful narrative. It could probably only ever be achieved in animation, and I wouldn't even really want that made, but it's interesting to think about. Because, yeah, a lot of the things you mentioned are amazing and it's a shame they aren't better highlighted in the films we got.
True. Also, there's no need to worry about a thing for thinking about the other scenes with Grievous. It's all good, I was merely explaining about some other scenes that might come in handy for the four hour cut of Episode III. As for the book of that story, it's quite a tragically beautiful one cuz it has some expanded material that hasn't been shown in some parts of the movies. Like for instance, I believe there's a moment towards the end of the book the voice of Qui-Gon communicates with Yoda before Senator Bail Organa arrives to inform him that Obi-Wan was en route to see if Padmé would give birth. And I think the moment where Palpatine talks to Anakin about the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise in the opera scene (correct me if I'm wrong since I've only ever seen the "how it feels to be Anakin" bit) might be a tad bit longer and more in-depth than how we saw it in the theatrical cut of Episode III. I love how some certain aspects in novels that are based on the same story via movies slightly differ because of added material that makes the story all the more astonishing and beautiful. For example, there's a moment in the ROTS novel where R2 realizes that Anakin wasn't feeling like himself to which reminds him that he chose the path of the Dark Side, which is kinda sad because Anakin and R2 were like the best of friends until Anakin was seduced by Sidious. Then again, I guess it's safe to say that if George Lucas had continued with the Skywalker Legacy by writing his treatment for Episodes VII, VIII and IX, it probably would've been well received I believe, but I don't blame him for wanting to back down and settle with family. I'm just glad that he chose to spend his time doing that instead of being an absent father. 💙
@@richarde.skywalker1977 This is one of the main reasons I'd love to see ROTS redone in the Clone Wars style of animation. It would let them fix all the problems with the original script, as well as blending in some of the stuff you're mentioning to ease the inconsistencies or stuff that felt missing. You're almost making me want to check out the novelizations for some of the movies, lol. Maybe I will, but it also might make me annoyed I can't see some of these things in the films/show. And, also maybe lead me to revisit this project again :D
I like most of your changes, but I think Lucas had the right idea about the Ewoks overthrowing the Stormtroopers. It was his way of showing that physical strength and superior numbers don't always win a fight. As for the "Obi-Wan Kenobi" framework attempt, I think its a good idea, but the scene itself is flawed since they didn't do enough to de-age the actors for the time the scene is supposed to be set in...especially Hayden Christensen. Anyone can look at his face in both that sequence and "Attack of the Clones", and see he is more than 20 years older. They gave Ewan an appropriate beard, but it was too thin and short; his version from the film was thicker overall. As a result, the sequence is a fairly large continuity error from a visual standpoint, even though I like the acting and choreography.
I would accept that explanation for the ewoks for anything that wasn't the finale, lol. If that had been in any smaller-scale battle or other movie it could be cool, but I do not think it was the right move for the grand finale of the entire story. And, yeah, the age difference bothers me slightly but I don't think it's that big of a deal. Star Wars has what feels like trillions of problems and there's no way I can fix them all, so if one of a few small inconsistencies with my "fixed" version is just Anakin's face in one scene, then I can live with that. :P
One minute into the video and i see Rebels in "Bad". Did you stop watching during S1 or how else did your come to that conclusion? Also PS: TLJ is one of my favorite SW movies
No, I just don't like it overall. It's just way too kiddy for me, personally. I think it's bad because of the way it portrays the empire as so inept, I find the characters very annoying, the animation lackluster, and the stories pretty devoid of any real impact (aside from when they dredge up CW characters, which feels cheap) And, fair enough! I enjoy it as it's own thing, but I think it's just too problematic when put up against the rest of the saga.
For me i would have Changed Episode 1 and 2 alot And have Episode 3 divided into 2 parts with Part 2 being The early days of Empire vs rebels and Obi wan , Yoda and padme trying to bring vader back to light
If you want an interesting way to enjoy Star Wars, I would recommend what I would call the true purist interpretation. basically, it's just the original trilogy, specifically the despecialized editions, and the expanded universe from 1991 through 1998. And that's it. while a lot of the novels and comic books and video games from the '90s were cheesy or sometimes kind of mid, A lot of them were very faithful to the vision and vibes of the original trilogy. not only that, but the weird sci-fi aesthetic of the prequels were not around, so a lot of that expanded universe visually fit the original trilogy better and that low fidelity sci-fi look. watching the original trilogy and reading the expanded universe material from the '90s and headcanoning out the prequels honestly makes the Star Wars universe a good bit more enjoyable, at least for me anyway. It's more consistent.
That does sound really awesome but I think it just might not be for me, lol. That sounds like way too much stuff and I'm sure I'd want that to all be streamlined too. Plus, I don't think I could ever just ignore the existence of Clone Wars :D But, hey, if you have any video editing capabilities you should make a video on that! I've been hearing a lot of really cool perspectives in the comments and wouldn't mind watching a video essay on a few of them. :)
The OT is vastly overrated it’s mostly a generic good guy vs bad guys story with basic characters and plot twist/progression. ROTJ is the only one that’s really impactful and that’s more so bc the existence of prequel content elevates the ending
@ Wasn’t my point and I don’t think SW EU is that great. Some of the ideas are good (emphasis on some the majority of it is straight up unappealing imo) but the experience of actually going through it isn’t that’s why most people don’t care about it past watching videos that summarize the lore. We need entertaining, cohesive, and meaningful additions to the lore. Films and animated series are generally the way to go for that and even most of those idgaf about. The only novel I truly love is the ROTS novelization ironically I consider it the best SW story
@@KurokamiNajimi It's impressive that you can speak for that large of a portion of the star wars fandom. I've been a member of the EU community for a while now and I can tell you we strongly disagree with your take here
This is a cool way to trim the movies but idk how you can edit all these things in the movies then include all of Filoni TCW, 90% of that is filler. I like filler but if the goal is just creating a core or "main version" of Star Wars most of TCW before the final arcs needs the chopping block. Also do you plan on releasing this edit?
Damn! I knew I forgot to include something in this video and this was probably it! Yeah, lol, I actually ignore about 50% of the Clone Wars whenever I watch through all this. Because, yeah, so much of it is filler. Thanks for pointing this out! I don't believe I could ever legally upload this edit but I am considering making a second video that walks-through how to make it yourself. :)
If I could make a change to the Obi Wan series, I think it would be hilarious if the fight between Vader and Obi Wan had a moment where Darth Vader jumped up onto a hilltop a said "Who's got the high ground now, huh? Who's got the high ground now?"
Obi Wan: "I got the high ground" Me as a teen, seeing this in the theatre in 2005: "Waiiiit, THIS is how he gets defeated????!!!!" I mean, not only was it anti-climatic, but on top of that, if Obi Wan could force jump 3 stores up in TPM, Anakin can't jump slightly higher?? It's kind of astounding how memes can make a dumb thing super popular. I'm glad you cut it
@@josephchaney4964 Absolutely! And as I said, made that scene so popular While I agree RotS is the best PT movie (doesn’t say much), it’s so overrated. My fav SW back in 2005 was RotJ (now it’s ESB), and I was so eager to see the parallels. Anakin was gonna be taunted like Luke was. Only this time it would work. Anakin would slip. But NOP! Nothing like that.. Anakin’s turn was super simplistic and rushed, and Anakin came across as the most gullible person in history On paper Palpatine forming the Empire by turning the republic is a great idea (many examples in world history where this has happened), but same issue here. Super simplistic and rushed
@@Chemical_Argentum This is one of the reasons I absolutely adore Clone Wars. It gives so much depth and a billion more reasons to justify Anakin's fall. It's still not perfect but it saves it for me, at least. I'll say though I used to find Palpatine's thing a bit rushed and simplistic too, but honestly, after everything we keep seeing in the world today I fully buy it, lol. People in real life consistently prove themselves to be more stupid and blind than what we saw in the SW senate 😆
THE REASON BEHIND GREVIOUS NOT FIGHTING IN III LIKE HE DID IN CLONE WARS IS BECAUSE AT THE END OF CLONE WARS WINDO FORCE CHOKED HIM WHILE KIDNAPING PALPATINE SO AT THE START OF III HE IS STILL RECOVERING FROM THAT AND IN UTAPAU HE IS KINDA BETTER
You are 90% right, your edit is amazing, no notes. Rogue one is absolutely what it needs to be, a way for us to understand that years and years go on in-between, and what makes the original trilogy even possible (atleast episode 4) its truly a necessary add in
Would you say for sure that it is "essential" or that that is just preference? Because Star Wars was just fine for decades without it, and I don't think anything would be too different without it. I actually really love just having the gap between ROTS and ANH be completely empty; I think it makes the story stronger. Kind of like, if you've seen it, the time jump between The Dark Crystal and the Netflix show. I think that absence really gives the original trilogy a powerful feel. But, that's just my opinion, at least. :)
@Josephchaney Honestly this is pretty good I would rather take your version any day over Disney’s concoction. You made some interesting points It’s feels more natural. I also appreciate that you changed Vader’s comedic Noooo! Into an actual raged filled scream it fits better into Anakin’s character his anger let out at what he’s become. And I definitely would get rid of the sequels and the Mando-verse completely. I also feel that perhaps the Clone Wars should be rewritten or rebooted since it’s still a popular era of Star Wars. Or start a new timeline into the future that isn’t tied to anything that came before or after. Extreme measures need to be taken if Star Wars is going to continue as a franchise.
Thanks so much! I really appreciate that :) I guess if they wanted to keep things going and keep making money that would be a good business decision, but I can't imagine them doing a better job with Clone Wars than what we already have.
You can probably improve Episode 7 a lot by just editing out Star Killer Base. It's so unimportant to the story, I think you can cut it out just with edits.
I could maybe improve the sequels as individual films if I cut stuff and all of that, but I firmly believe they are unfixable as part of the Star Wars narrative. From the perspective of refining and bringing out the core, essential, intended, Skywalker narrative that I am arguing from in my video, there's just no possible way to include the sequels. Their very premise and story erases and makes meaningless nearly everything the core saga accomplished.
Your Star Wars story is honestly a far more captivating and powerful one than the one the world received! Little did we all know that the building blocks were there the whole time but just weren’t in a cohesive order. This was an extremely unique video essay with a perspective not seen before by anyone in the Star Wars community!
so a little background for rogue one. when disney took over they deleted everything but the 6 original movies and (this is total opinion here) I think they made rogue one as fan service to kyle katarn that in disney's eyes no longer exists. in doing they destroyed one of the best video game star wars characters EVER. I mean the characters are even very similarly named. this is my opinion on why that movie exists. i of course don't count ANY star wars material disney has made as canon. so... there's that.
The solution is that you should see stuff in release order, as everything builds off everything before. The references are to what is, not what will be.
@@josephchaney4964 yeah true, its a shame that many times Star Wars almost requires explanations after the fact on comics and such... and we are used to it kinda, specially in the sequels
@@FroGGi1989 It's very frustrating. I have no idea why most fandoms have gotten to a point where we excuse something making zero sense by just stating "this other thing explains it."
The best aspects of Star Wars have always been those which came from the books and games from what is now Legends. But do they make those into films? Noooooooo 🤦🏻♂️
@@josephchaney4964 If you're gonna include The Clone Wars I don't see why you shouldn't include Andor. It's hardly Cassian's story after all. It shows really well how life under the Empire is and it builds up to the conflict in the originals.
@@zetester98 It's because of what I explained about how a story's scale should match its importance. The arcs in the Clone Wars either focus on Anakin, feature Anakin, or show us pivotal things about those around him that effect the main plot or his personal journey. While it would be cool to have Andor in some ways, it just feels like too much time to spend on such a small character and such a small story. Like what I mentioned in the video with Breaking Bad and Avatar.
@@josephchaney4964 Like I mentioned, I don't think Andor is strictly about Andor. It's more of an ensemble Rebellion show. It sets up the status quo of the Galaxy nicely and gives more context to the movies. Also, this might be a controversial opinion, but I think Andor enhances Star Wars more than The Clone Wars does. I think The Clone Wars has too many inconsistencies (with itself and with the movies at large) and filler arcs.
@@zetester98 Yeah, that's fair. To me it still just falls into the category of stuff I mentioned with Breaking Bad and Avatar. Maybe I'm wrong for that but it's just how I feel about it. What inconsistencies do you think Clone Wars has? Genuinely curious. :)
It doesn't fit for me, personally, just because it doesn't feel necessary. It doesn't have that clear intention that the Clone Wars has where it's constantly building on the films and trying to solve ROTS's biggest issues. That's nothing against its quality though, it's just a me thing.
Nah Rogue One is significant because it's a turning point in the Galactic Civil War, y'know, their "first victory against the evil Galactic Empire?" It's effectively what gets the ball rolling in the OT. So I get what you're saying but I think it's earned the right to have so much gravitas.
Love Rogue One all you want, I even said that I like it a lot, but it is absolutely not necessary or significant enough to be elevated to the scale it was. I'm not arguing its quality with people because we all are going to have our own opinions, but the issue of whether it's necessary or significant enough to have its own movie is clear. It's just not. And that's just true. Again, nothing against the actual quality of the film, but if you remove it from existance literally nothing changes about any of the movies or shows that exist. And nobody would feel like anything is missing.
@@josephchaney4964 You could include the timestamps from the movie and which other media you use, like Ep III 0:10:14 - 0:15:23 and such for the movie, and for the other media their abbreviations + S02E10 and such.
Also, Foresure subscribed. I like your editing on this video alone. I think some more commentary videos on the current state of Star Wars and such would be really nice. Most Star Wars UA-cam channels really just bitch and cry… (We all know the person I am talking about) and don’t really actually give a solution to the issues. Rather just pin it on Disney and call it a day. Get a million views. So if you continue to attack Star Wars from a truly analytical perspective instead of a “Shit sucks I’m done” attitude, I think this is a market not to heavily utilized in the community.
This really means a lot to me as I'm deciding whether to keep pursuing UA-cam videos! I've definitely got more thoughts on Star Wars but I don't know if I would want to become a "Star Wars UA-camr." After making this video, it also feels challenging to continue saying anything meaningful without just complaining. I am thinking about it all though. I'm also very curious though, who actually are you referring to? :)
You know what's funny? Ahsoka wasn't liked when she deputed, later on she begun to be liked, and now? Due to how she's being portrayed lately, in a 'girl boss' manner, I can't tell what is going on anymore in 'Disney's Canon' Star Wars.
Yeah, I don't get the decision-making with Ahsoka anymore. She's my favorite character in the franchise but man they are taking her in some weird directions now, lol. She's gotten so lifeless
@@josephchaney4964 All because Dave Filoni is crazy obsessed with his waifu Ahsoka. It's crazy that his real wife hasn't voiced her concern on the matter as of late.
I think fan edits can be a tricky thing if they get favored over the intention of the creator’s material. Especially once stuff gets cut or replaced. The high ground, Vader’s “no,” the Ewoks, the nature of the special editions, I think you’ve missed a lot of the points and parallels for why those scenes are the way they are. I do think there can be nuance in experimenting with fan-edited material if the original source is familiar, respected, and open to being returned to by the viewer, although it would suck if Star Wars (or any media) were introduced to someone in an alternate way for the first time (which is a great potential flaw of fan editing). Fan edits for casual limited personal use can be mostly harmless fun, but (and here’s the most important part) commercially and historically it is important we don’t become comfortable replacing a creator’s final vision for their art, which becomes a morally gray zone where fan edits are concerned. Nonetheless, I’m sure this project was beneficial for your editing skills and enthusiasm for at least parts of George Lucas’ story.
I appreciate this comment! I'm really going to have to disagree though. I haven't missed the point of any of these things. There seems to be a growing conversation here in the comments about how "if the artist intended it than it's the best thing for the story." Which, simply isn't true. I've been citing Ridley Scott's Blade Runner film and what J.K. Rowling has done to her stories to make this point. It is fully possible for the creator to mess up the execution of their story or misunderstand their own work after the fact. And, I think, the "Han shot first" scene is all of the proof needed for this. Do you genuinely believe that scene was made better by Lucas? Or, do you think maybe it shows that he doesn't always know best with Star Wars and will sometimes make something worse? I also think it's fully subjective how fan-material can be used and shown. I fully believe that everything Disney has made in the Star Wars universe is fan-fiction. But, nobody would have an issue with me showing someone the sequels or the Mandalorian or etc. I think it's totally fair to introduce someone to Star Wars the way I describe in this video, as long as I explain the changes. There is nothing stopping them from going back and watching the originals if they want the full picture. I've actually shown my edited versions to quite a few people (some die-hard fans who saw ANH in the 70's) and they have loved it, agreeing it's a superior way to experience the franchise. Now, obviously, that doesn't prove me right at all, because it's just more opinions. But I think it proves this particular issue is subjective.
Hmm, I'd say classifying Rebels and Ahsoka as bad is quite controversial (especially rebels). No matter, I would love to watch your ROTS edit. Is it available anywhere?
@@greatrandomgamer1950 I don't believe I can legally upload it anywhere but I am considering making a second video that just acts as a sort of "instruction manual" for anyone who wants to put this together. :)
I respect almost all of your opinions except I completely disagree on the Ewoks. Yes it’s not realistic, but that’s not the point. The message at its most simple is nature triumphs over technology
And that would be fantastic if it were placed anywhere but the finale to the entire saga. That'd be a fun little story and message at any other point but putting it at the very end was not the best move, lol
@@josephchaney4964 the OT are actually allegories for the Vietnam war, while the PT are allegories for how democracy dies in relation to the rise of technology and the surveillance state, where the message is that the ones who claim to solve the problem as a result of the reaction are also the ones who instigated it. The ewoks are in fact supposed to represent the force of nature and also the cyclical nature of.... Nature. We are doomed to increase our technology until it sends us back to the stone age. The force however persists, and heroes will come and go as they are needed. That is to say, fantastic video. Good job and looking forward to seeing more
That would be insanely long, lol. I think I'd want more than a few breaks in there. Plus, I hope you're saying just the clone wars and not the literal entire thing :D
AotC is good, sorry but it is truly good, sure it doesn't beat ESB or RotS, but I still like it, especially since I love the big battle against the droids (with the Jedi showing how inept they are at military leadership at first! I mean a mass attack over OPEN TERRAIN without cover? Sorry, nope even me who never served in a military knows this is batshit crazy!
I'm glad you enjoy it but at the end of the day it, plain and simple, is just not a good movie. All three of the prequels fail at almost every metric we have of judging a film's quality. That's pretty undeniable. It's okay to love it, it's okay to want to watch it, and it's okay to love the intent and story so much that it makes up for the flaws to you. It's alright to like a bad movie. :)
Lol, I'm glad I have your permission to be wrong. I really needed that. :P If you look at TPM, AOTC, and Rogue One as films, as what they are, they are not good. Plain and simple. The prequels legitimately fail at nearly every system we have of examining and critiquing a movie, and Rogue One fails at a good number of them but not all. That being said, I literally said I like Rogue One, and I actually love the idea behind TPM and AOTC, but the execution was horrible. So, I'm very glad you like them! Really! But, it's okay to keep watching something, and love something, while understanding it's not necessarily good. :)
To me, it's just too kiddish. It's got a lot of problems but for me it all boils down to how ineffective and cartoonish it portrays the empire, and how annoying and childish the lead cast is. :/
you don’t understand nuance at all, the reason Obi Wan mentions the high ground thing isn’t because he feels he cannot be beaten there, it’s because he is baiting Anakin into attacking him at a disadvantage. he knows if he says that, Anakin’s pride would force him to attack Obi Wan
Just blatantly untrue, but obviously you're free to think whatever you want. How you can listen to all of my thoughts on stories for 25 minutes (presuming you did) and come away with that idea about me is pretty hilarious though. I understand nuance just fine, lol. But there is a line where nuance and subtext become so vague and so poorly illustrated that they practically cease to exist. Lucas did not set up, illustrate, or execute what you are mentioning well at all. And, so, if that is the explanation, great! It just should've been done better. And, since it wasn't, it's 100% fair for me to want it removed.
@@josephchaney4964--- it has alot of epic action scenes --- nothing in CW is relevant for SW CW 03 shows a proper grevious and it shows how the chancelour got abducted ...... while i like Ashoka she is completly irrelevant for the greater plot
Hot take! It's totally fair to argue that one is better than the other but to imply 2003 CW is important/relevant and 2008 CW is not is just 100% wrong. I'd understand if you said they both are or they both aren't.
@@josephchaney4964 well CW 03 is a little under 2h long so it is just a movie ...... watching SW as a 7 movie series workes very very well ........ watching SW with all of CW inbetween doesn´t work .... also CW ruined many chars ...... worst of all grievous
@@baronbrummbar8691 I think Clone Wars 2008 works perfectly and the long-form anthology series format is perfect. I genuinely believe the slow fall of Anakin was way too big to attempt telling in a single trilogy, and that giving it seven seasons to fully breathe is perfect.
Yep, they have, bud. But not like mine. All the ones I've seen just toss in full-length CW episodes; I actually weaved them into the places they fit in the story/timeline. And, even if anyone else has done that, I still did enough of my own stuff with the four-hour edit and my other edits to more than justify this. But, thanks, bud!
No, just no! Everything (well: Ok most things, there were a few truly bad books and comics and games and TPM was the weakest, but still a decent, movie!) bevore Disney was OK! Especially the EU, which kept Star Wars ALIVE when there were no movies and when the average movie goer had basically forgotten Star Wars! Disney and especially Miss "The Force is Female" Kennedy (that hyperfeminist man-hater!) ruined this! Hell, there was already a sequel trillogy basically it's called the THRAWN-TRILLOGY, so we wouldn't have needed a Mary-Sue, a stupid pilot (Poe), a black man who was stopped from being a hero by a stupid bint etc. :( - Hell, even KK should have been fine, because MARA JADE is exactly her type of woman and still relatable enough to us guys!
Well how about you combined both Star Wars rebels andor and rogue one a Star Wars into one TV show called Star Wars rebellion into 3 seasons into that would fixed the Star Wars franchise
Considering Rebels, Andor, and Rogue One are all Disney films, that clashes pretty harshly with what I was trying to do here. Additionally, I don't think very highly of Rebels and wouldn't want to include it in my version of this story, and also it still leaves the problem of pacing (when I referenced Avatar) that I discussed in the video. But, yeah, if that's something you'd enjoy then absolutely go for it! I'd even really enjoy watching a video about how that's put together. :)
Well how about fixing the Star Wars prequel titles like Star Wars episode 1 the gradients of peace Star Wars episode 2 the clone wars Star Wars episode 3 revenge of the Sith the same but it’s 4 hour long mega movie that us fans would love and interesting at the same time what do you think
@@gfuelmonster5415 These aren't bad ideas! How'd you come up with "the gradients of peace?" That's pretty cool. I still don't want to include TPM and AOTC in my story so switching the titles wouldn't do much, but they are cool titles. Maybe make your own version! I'd love to hear about it :)
Well I would have yoda be obi wan master in my version of the Star Wars prequels instead of qui-gon because it would make more sense to put the pieces together and a lot more interesting because of what obi wan said to Luke in the Star Wars episode 5 the empire strikes back logic sense
Ahsoka in my version of the Star Wars prequels instead of being anakin padawan because he didn’t have a padawan during revenge of the sith so in my version ahsoka is just anakin friend and she padawan of plo koon because I think it would make more sense because I just didn’t want to change too much because I just want to make more sense here
You literally could not be more wrong. Firstly, a fan is literally just someone who enjoys something. So, if you like Star Wars, congratulations, you're a fan! Secondly, Rogue One was created under Disney without advisement from Lucas, so to claim someone isn't a Star Wars fan for not liking it is hilariously wrong. :P
This is so wrong it's kind of funny. I literally removed every single thing Filoni created except for the Clone Wars. And, the Clone Wars not only was directly overseen by Lucas but he chose Filoni as the director of that series. So, no, what you said is not true. :D
100% agreed! It's so interesting that Star Wars has become the biggest franchise ever all because of just two films. Aside from a few arcs in the Clone Wars, they have literally never come close to capturing the level of quality achieved with ANH and ESB.
You started off with the wrong foot by just adhering to the casual audiences and saying "Star Wars was never perfect" only for the views. All 6 episodes are masterpieces in their genre and style. But you need to abandon the popular myths, that originated in the media, and spread throughout "fans" who never had the time or patience to look into these films with care. I'm sure if you showed people: who are lukewarm about Star Wars; the Villenueve, Coppola and Kubrick filmography, they'd all fell sleep. Don't simply adopt an opinion. Study Star Wars as if you were studying The Godfather and you'll see why people defend the original hexalogy with passion.
It's so incredible how someone can make so many assumptions and be so wrong. I did not adhere to casual audiences here. If you believe that, you clearly weren't paying attention. I didn't say any of this "for the views." There's literally no reason for you to make that assumption. I made this video because I was passionate about it and I wanted to share my project with others. Simple as that. Also pretty impressive that you came to the conclusion I haven't looked into these films with care. I love Star Wars and have absolutely looked into them with a ton of care. Just because I don't have your opinion doesn't mean that's not true. Funny you mention Villenueve, Coppola, and Kubrik. I absolutely adore the work of those directors, a few of their films literally being some of my favorite movies of all time. And, no, I'll study the Godfather like a story and Star Wars like a story, treating them as what they are. And, that's what I did. And it brought me to the opinions you saw in the video. It seems like maybe you just don't like that, and that's fine! Just maybe it'd be best not to make so many massive assumptions. :)
@@josephchaney4964 These are not assumptions. Write your words and google your sentences. You're just repeating someone else's ideas word by word, as if you had been given a pamphlet. And if you re-word it enough you'll see the main enablers in all of its splendor, the Hollywood media. In a time where attacking Lucas with these same notions, even before the prequels came out was put into fashion. This is not YOUR opinion. And it's clearly and logically for the views cause you had no reason to belittle or undervalue Star Wars just to present a transmedia cut, you could've just presented the cut. And hats off to you for taking the time at making something like that. But IF your whole motivation for making the cut was somehow imagining that you understand Star Wars better than its author, then this is all just a sad media-enabled autolatry. Imagine the ego you need to have in order to write a title like: "I fixed Star Wars", and trying to soften it with quotation marks. Different media enhances and showcases different forms of artistry. Making a movie presents different challenges than making a novel, game or an animated show. The merits, achievements are all different. You just don't mesh animation and film and call it a day, cause there's a different idea being presented in both works with the particular resources of each medium, and you're just interrupting them. If you cannot get something this basic about art, don't tell me you've studied Star Wars with care.
@@abadalfa Alright, man, I can see there's no reasoning with you. You are so fundamentally wrong it's laughable, but, obviously, there's no way to make you see that. And, of course, I'm sure you truly believe the same about me. So, I just hope you're happy and content with your perspective, because I'm beyond happy and content with mine. Thanks for the comments! :D
@@josephchaney4964 As long as the things I'm informing you about get stuck in the back of your head and you some day have the courage to look it up and see if that crazy dude in the comments was telling the truth, I'm happy. I'm aware people don't change in a day, and most can live their entire life in denial even if wisdom hits them in the face. I hope you're not like most, would be a waste of your talents. And I hope the dismissive attitude doesn't mean you're simply to afraid of failing at proving me wrong. I've studied Star Wars for more than 20 years to come and tell you this. Not lore or BS, but the art behind it. Start with Camille Paglia.
It's not really taste, if we're being fully honest. They fail at almost every single measure we have of judging a movie's quality. I'd love to hear why you think they're good though! :)
I have been looking for every avenue to call prequel 1 and 2 good. I still haven't found it. And clone wars movie is straight up one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Duels of Fate scene absolutely slaps. Well done George!
@@lordbillious1138 Yeah I have fun with them but there's no denying that they're a hot mess. And it's frustrating because basically everyone in those movies is a grade-A actor and they're all giving the most wooden performances of their lives. Ewan McGregor, Sir Christopher Lee, Natalie Portman, Sam Jackson. How the _fuck_ did George manage to make Samuel L. Jackson _boring?_ Ian McDiarmid is the only one who actually seems to be having fun. And Hayden Christiansen got saddled with this reputation as a terrible actor for _years_ because of his performance as Anakin, but he's genuinely great. Unfortunately he's working with an unedited, often-unfinished Lucas script, being directed by Lucas, against a bunch of green/bluescreen backgrounds. But put him in a scene with no dialogue and he excels. His physical acting in the scene where he's alone in the Council Chamber, staring across the skyline at Padme's apartment, or in the fight with Obi-Wan on Mustafar is _amazing._ Say what you will about the Disney shows but Hayden _kills it_ as Anakin and Vader in them, and if nothing else, I'm glad they exist so he could finally get the credit he deserves.
Dude, AOTC is just straight-up horrendous. Personally, I would give TPM meh, but just barely, even though it's the best of the prequels imo. I would also bump ROTS down to meh as well, it's really not that good but it's at least better than AOTC. TFA should get meh and Rogue One should get good as well.
@@josephchaney4964 Its even worse then prequels. Outdated effects, simplistic story, inconsistency between movies, small scale battles, flat characters.
@aresnir2725 The effects of the OT held up for much longer than the effects of the prequels before starting to become outdated. That's just the unfortunate reality of over-relying on CGI. The "simplistic" story works for the OT because it's able to tell the whole tale properly throughout the 3 films, unlike the prequels which had to shove 4+ movies worth of story into 3 films, leaving the end product being rushed and partially incohesive, especially considering the ends and beginnings of each movie (ex. Palpatine is somehow captured offscreen, but was perfectly fine at the end of AOTC). Who cares about the scale of the battles if they are able to tell the story well enough. Most of the battles in AOTC and ROTS are either unnecessary or just generic but 10x scale, which means nothing if they do nothing for the story. An example of this is Kashyyyk being 100% irrelevant and only there for action's sake so the audience doesn't get bored otherwise. Every battle in the OT was not only unique, but had meaning and properly served the story so they were great. The OT created the archetypes of the types of characters we see in media today. Luke is the farm boy who is destined to become a hero, defying what others tell him about his father and gives himself up to try to save him because of his strong heart. Han is the scoundrel who grows a heart of gold. Leia is the princess who loses everything she has, learns to trust other people who seem untrustworthy otherwise, and is willing to fight until the end (she literally kills Jabba the Hutt and personally volunteers to go to Endor). Characters like Darth Vader, Obi-Wan, Yoda, etc. also have their own nuances so they aren't flat at all. In the prequels, Padme is nothing but a romantic plot device after TPM. Anakin is the most complex but the writing for him wasn't done well so he just comes across as the whiny teenager who doesn't get what he wants. Obi-Wan is basically a nobody in TPM, a grumpy mentor in AOTC who is only involved because the plot requires a character to follow, and is the same character (only less grumpy) for the first half of ROTS before order 66. Qui-Gon is the one good character but is killed off in the first movie and is made seemingly irrelevant to everyone for the rest of the saga other than in 2 minor scenes. Everyone on the jedi council is just soulless and just repeats everything they say. It also helps that everyone in the OT is 100x more likable than anyone in the prequels. TLDR: The OT blows the prequels out of the water.
@@aresnir2725 Hot take! I'd say everything you listed is either objectively incorrect or doesn't even qualify as a critique. But, hey, to each their own. :P
Well your problem is that you think the sequels are part of it and actually canon when it’s not and niether is rogue one. Problem solved. The rest are great
I probably didn't make this clear enough in my video, but, no, I actually don't consider the sequels parts of it. I see everything Disney has created (aside from CW S7 because it was a carryover) as fan-fiction. I just felt it was still important to address them in the video because they are still very much a real problem in the franchise. And, as for the quality of the original six, agree to disagree, lol :P
Hey, everyone! I'm really appreciating all of the feedback and discussion! It's meant a lot to me!
I've been getting a lot of questions about where the edit is located and I definitely should have specified in the video. I don't believe I can actually legally upload any of these edits so there isn't really any way for anyone to watch my work. However, I'm strongly considering making a second video that will be basically an "instruction manual" walk-through on how to put this together yourself. Hopefully, that's somewhat helpful.
Also, omebody in the comments just raised the point that it doesn't make sense for me to trim so much from the entire franchise just to leave in all of Clone Wars, which made me realize one of the points I forgot to include in this video. I actually ignore about 50% of the Clone Wars series whenever I watch it, because, yeah, way too much of it is filler. So, in case anybody cared, that's that. Thanks for bringing that up @chunguschungus :P
This is an impressive project. A problem though is one of your fixes. The worst part of the revenge of with is yoda and sideos duel is at the same time as anakin and Obi-wan. Anikin and Obi-wan is supposed to be so emotional but you can’t invest because it has to keep cutting away to another fight. I think your adding another fight on top of that with Ashoka just makes the problem worse
I get that, yeah. I guess you'd probably just have to watch my edit for either of us to fully figure that out, but, I can at least say now that I think the "three finales" work incredibly. As I said in the video, it doesn't feel like too much because it's the climax to three-hours of buildup and it feels appropriately grand. Plus, the Yoda and Sidious fight ends much sooner than the other two, and seeing what Ahsoka is dealing with at the same time as Anakin and Obi-Wan adds a lot of emotion. At least in my opinion. :)
ACTUALLY I LIKE MORE ASHOKA VS MAUL OVER YODA VS SIDIOUS
MAYBE FIRST YODA VS SIDIOUS (BECAUSE YODA IS ALREADY AT CORUSCANT) AND THEN ASHOKA VS MAUL AND OBIWAN VS ANAKIN
PLUS AFTER ANAKIN VS OBI WAN SIDIOUS ARRIVES TO MUSTAFAR
SO IS KINDA WEIRD THAT YODA TAKE THE SAME TIME AS OBIWAN TO ARRIVE TO THE BATTLE AND THEN SIDIOUS ARRIVE TO MUSTAFAR TOO
5:10 whenever I have someone watch the clone wars, I always intercut the final episodes with Revenge of the Sith. It just makes everything work so much better
It really does just make it so much better!
No, Clone Wars actually contradicts ROTS at several points.
@@SpFlash1523 it does in very small ways but it doesn’t make it any less awesome. The story was written to fit with ROTS why would watching it together be a bad thing?
@@SpFlash1523 Yeah, it totally does. That's why I made the adjustments that I highlight in this video. It fixes those problems. :)
@ 1:15 "Pretend they are all stellar?" This is Star Wards bud, of course they are all stellar. That's the definition :P
Ahhhhh damn you got me. I'll take the video down :(
The "nooooooo" definitely sounded better.
Thanks!
Interesting video essay that addresses a lot of my problems with Star Wars as a whole franchise. Will you be posting the edit somewhere for others to access?
Thanks, I appreciate that! I'm working on a second video that walks through how to make the edit yourself, but I can't upload the whole edit without that being very illegal. :P
For me, I'd start someone going in release order for 4, 5, 6, then 1, 2, 2003 CW, and 3. Then I'd say to just watch whatever in whatever order. 2008 CW can be watched later since it's really long.
That might be the best way to go about it, yeah. I didn't mention it in the video but I also ignore almost half of the Clone Wars when I watch it and show other people, because like 50% is pure filler.
I watch it Episode I, Episode II, Star Wars: Clone Wars (2003), Revenge of the Sith, Solo, Rogue One, Episode IV, Episode V, and Episode VI.
@BlackMaleSpirituality but the twist that Darth Vader is Luke's father must be preserved, so if someone is watching for the first time then starting with 4 is best.
@@Kindasortamaybe I feel like at this point, Star Wars is such a cultural phenomenon that everyone already knows that Vader is Luke's father
@That1dood231 Not a 6 year old who hasn't seen any of it.
13:46 no the whole point is that Obi wan knew Anakin would be arrogant enough to want to kill him personally and Obi wan lures him to try and pull the same thing he did against Maul in episode 1 only he was prepared for it
It makes total sense
I acknowledged that in the video. Even if this is the explanation it still isn't set up well and is a deflating conclusion to the fight, considering all the insanity that came before.
No it makes absolutely no sense. That is why "I have the high ground" is a meme in the first place. The theater burst out laughing when he said that. After *all that*, Obi-Wan stands on a hill and suddenly has an advantage that ends the match? Nowhere in that scene does it seem like Obi-Wan is baiting him so he can chop him up. Anakin could have done anything else and the fight would've continued.
The dialogue is definitely bad yes and it’s funny but having actual high ground in a battle like that is a big advantage and yes he is obviously baiting him
@@omarbaba9892 Agree to disagree I guess :P
@@johnb2422 It's not about him magically having the high ground. Anakin spent years recreating the duel between Maul and Obi-Wan with the programmed droid, to the point that Obi-Wan knew his obsession with that (and ultimately Anakin's obsession with Obi-Wan during his earlier training years) as well as Palpatine being able to see just how troublesome Anakin's attachment to Obi-Wan would be (and made him subtly manipulate Anakin into turning against Obi-Wan). Obi-Wan KNEW with certainty that Anakin would use that move because of his attachment to Obi-Wan and his need to prove himself. Obi-Wan didn't need to bait him, Anakin would instinctively do it.
And yes, you may argue that this information is not in the movie but in comics and books, BUT... That's the beauty of Star Wars. It's not about one specific movie or how bad the sequels are. It's not even only about the movies. It's about the sense of community, the joy of searching for these hidden tidbits of information, creating fandoms of our own, our own canon universe, getting to have a spin-off show of out favourite characters, learning about the galaxy and it's people, flora and fauna, architecture and technology, learning about the political conflicts and religious beliefs and contemplating about them. This is what George Lucas intended to do. Maybe not immediately, but gradually and over time. It's a franchise for us nerds and geeks who will find safe space in this bubble of ours and spend hours analyzing it, reading about it, debating and arguing. Even create our own fanfics and creative works inspired by that. Force, there even is Jediism as an actual religion because of that sense of community (despite me not personally being a part of it). It's supposed to expand and brouden your views about your own perception, the world we live in and how we think and act. The main point of Star Wars is about Buddhism, Stoicism, Konfucionism alongside the politics, Fachism, Nationalism. If you dig deeper it can expand your vocabulary, help you understand how the world we live in is not so different from what we see on screen, help you see how you can choose what you want to be.
In my humble opinion, I think Star Wars is meant to do all that, pull us into the whole world, not just one story about Luke and Anakin. It's not just about them. It's also about us and our interaction with the universe and franchise. It's the way it makes you think, learn and grow as a person. For me, I grew up on Star Wars, like many of you guys (I was 2003). My dad showed it to me in chronological order when I was 5 and I was hooked. I didn't get to experience the friendzy it caused when the Original Trilogy came out or even when Prequel Trilogy (which is my favourite and I shall defend the PM and AoTC till my last breath, lol (And, yes I am one of those crazy fangirls that are obsessed. Sue me. I like it. It doesn't harm anyone but my sanity.)), but I was introduced to it like my father was introduced to it when it first started (and alongside other franchises like Indiana Jones, Jurassic Park, Pirates of the Carribean and MCU). It build me as a person I am today. Kriff, I still watch some SW media on a weekly basis. It helped me build character, learn English (my second language), helped me learned how to think for myself and even what kind of a person I want to be (both spiritually and with how I behave and act towards others), it gave me hope and sense of excitement about the future and introduced me to that sense of community and connectedness as well as the feeling of being seen and being able to relate to my favourite characters AND my least favourite characters (helping me realize my flaws and how to fix them). Even today, at 21, I'd find myself in a stressful or shitty situation and a thought like "What would Qui-Gon do?" or "Obi-Wan had experienced far worse and still stayed on the Light Side" or even "You're not alone in this. when Obi-Wan was a Padawn he had the same existential crisis, and many other people irl probably do to" would cross my mind, and suddenly I'll find myself being mindful (and of the future, but not at the expense of the moment ;) ), calming down, or even laughing. Hell, I even learned to meditate and do it daily because it is good for me, and I'll always be grateful for the franchise that made all that possible and gave me all these wonderful memories and thoughts to think and contemplate about.
And yes, I might be in too deep, or crazy, or overthinking it. It may not be that deep and all that. But it is that deep to me. It's a core part of me. Finding and exploring the SW franchise as a whole, not just one main story. And there are many other who are thinking and experiencing SW like me who'll tell you the same thing. We love exploring it all, using the SW slang, sending each other memes or quoting the movies.
The point I'm trying to make is... And I'm not trying to offend anyone or be rude here... But you really don't have to watch it all. You don't have to like it all. You don't have to give it any thought. But don't hate it. There's no reason to hate it. Yes, even though Sequels suck and I'm not a fan of them, I still appreciate them from the cinematic standpoint AND because they teach us how capitalism can change and influence things we love. The SW thaught me how not to get attached to SW to the point that it would make me sad and hateful watching it. I just like it despite the flaws. Instead of hating them, create something from it. Like this video for example. It's a solid video. Yeah it has a few weird unexplored points and maybe the guy didn't get the SW fully, but he took SW and created something new that fitted him. And that's the point of it. He changed it so it worked for him, he didn't hate on it. Even if it's bad, it can still inspire you to make some good out of it.
So, thank you for coming to my TEDtalk. May the Force be with you! And FOR THE REPUBLIC!!!
Remove Disney Wars = Fixed
Nononononono Andor is great, Clone wars s7 is great, Rebels is solid especially in it’s last two seasons, Mando seasons 1 and 2 are good, episode 7 is good, episode 9 is fun, solo is good but most importantly rouge one rules
@@JusMichae1-b9f Wouldn't call most of those great but sure those shows aren't awful, I liked Andor a lot and some of Mando. Episode 7 is the worst movie ever made, no reunion of the heroes, threw out 100x worth of 100x better EU stories for a soft reboot (aka garbage) story, almost nothing original, horrible new characters with nothing interesting going on (Finn being a clone is somewhat interesting and thrown out immediately), making Han and Leia divorced and killing Han for no reason, lame villains like pouting baby Ren, lame Empire rehash. TFA is worse than TLJ because TFA was the model for what much of Disney Wars would be, lame rehashes of better content, even stuff in TLJ like Luke giving up can be blamed on TFA for throwing him in an island somewhere. TLJ at least had something of a vision even if it wasn't good, JJ Abrams is a soulless hack.
Episode 9 is incompetent but yea it's really funny and the best of the sequels because at that point the story is already dead so who cares, at least Palpatine and Exegol looked really cool probably the most creative things in all the sequels.
Nope.The prequels have to go too.
@@gregoryhamptons What are your issues with the prequels?
@@chunguschungus Don't mind him he's just mad because he walked in on his mom getting fucked by the prequels lol
2003 Clone Wars is highly underrated.
Yeah, it's really good!
I do hope that the opener to your edit with scenes from TPM and AotC features most of (if not all) the scenes about the relationship between Anakin and Shmi. Anakin's turn to the dark side and his obsession with saving Padmé in RotS doesn't work at all without knowing and most importantly seeing that relationship
Yep, 100%! That was definitely one of the most important elements I wanted to focus on. :)
@josephchaney4964
That's great to hear. I'm one of those people who think that The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones are necessary for Revenge of the Sith to (barely) work, with the relationship between Anakin and Shmi being one of the major (though not the only) reasons as to why, so it's nice to know that this is acknowledged in your edit
@@HMMadsen Yeah, I totally get that. As I'm reading a lot of these comments and thinking through more ways to work on my Star Wars narrative, I'm considering editing Attack of the Clones and the Phantom Menace into one movie as well, with TPM being flashbacks and AOTC being the main story. Just starting to think on it though, it's an incomplete idea. :/
There's already someone who have made an extended edition of star wars 3 with a 4 hours long movie including Star wars clone 2003 battle of corruscant, the 4 last episode of the clone wars, the deleted scene + the original star wars 3
but!!! I'm curious about your version of the saga!! It will be interesting at least
Definitely wanna second the shoutout for NumeralJoker's cut! If you can handle the visual whiplash it really is the best version of RotS I've seen. Even has all the deleted scenes.
@@kaze117 i was thinking about Mecha Salesman but i will check out NumeralJoker's version
Had to double-check really quick, but MechaSalesman is actually NumeralJoker's YT handle! I first found his stuff through the Fanedits subreddit.
Yeah, I saw a few people doing the same general idea, but not really the same in execution. I don't remember which one it was but I know somebody basically just tossed the full-length CW episodes into ROTS and I thought that was pretty deflating. It's so much more fun to splice them together in all the right places. :)
I like that you fixed Star Wars for your self it’s very creative and clever you have earned a subscribe 👍
Thanks! I appreciate that a lot! :)
Imagine editing, chopping up and basically taking out all of the nuances, the innovation, creative choices, and experimental storytelling on the part of George Lucas, and turning it into an easy consumer basic narrative for casual fans. That is basically an insult to George Lucas, and yes while you did ignore 90% of Disney's stuff, you also took out two of the most important films in the saga, that being The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones, which are vital to Anakin's storyline, not just TCW and Revenge of the Sith. Without TPM and AOTC, you get none of the relationships between Anakin and his mother, or his relationship with Padme, you don't get Anakin's first steps to the Dark Side with the Tuskens, nor anything with Qui-Gon Jinn who is an important character in the narrative, nor anything else from those movies. You also destroy the vision of Lucas by removing the Special Edition changes, which was meant to be the definitive versions of the Original Trilogy, CGI and all, as Lucas himself was dissatisfied with the initial effects.
Accordingly, Star Wars was not meant to be seen like your typical Modern Hollywood film. Star Wars is a Space Opera, One movie, Six parts. A series of independent Experimental films by one man, who made his films to be reminiscent of 1930's TV serials, Westerns, silent films, avante garde documentaries and the like. People who don't understand George Lucas's sensibilities, try to paint Star Wars as this casual goer sci-fi experience, and that is primarily the fault of Disney, who have turned it into corporatized commercial MCU-style slop for casual audiences.
As far as I'm concerned, and George Lucas are concerned, Star Wars is Six films, Episodes I-VI. The Clone Wars is bonus material, and while it has some elements to add on to Anakin's story, it is not important to the overall core of Anakin's story.
I'm honestly so excited I'm getting so many in-depth comments like this on my video! It's been so cool to see! But, in all honesty, I believe you are fundamentally wrong here. The vast majority of what I removed from the Star Wars franchise is either unneeded "bonus content" from Disney or just straight-up, objectively bad films. Yes, TPM and AOTC do technically add additional lore to the Star Wars story but they do it so poorly (and the films themselves are so awful) that it's really not worth keeping around. I'd rather have those two stories completely cut from the canon and lose out on the tiny amount of things they get right, then keep the vast amount of things they get wrong, and have to sit through two deeply flawed movies.
You hear it literally all the time with stories: "less is more." I removed two films that are objectively not good, regardless of personal preference, and that, when you add in Clone Wars, have everything important covered in them anyway. Everything you said I'd be missing out on is covered to some extent in the Clone Wars, and in a far superior way. Clone Wars is what brings the subtlety, nuance, and etc. The prequels are either obnoxiously simple or so poorly executed that it's impossible to tell if the subtext was even intended by Lucas.
I'd feel this way about any franchise. If they made a trilogy all about Frodo it might technically "add more lore" to the original LOTR films, but if those Frodo movies are all terrible I would rather them just not exist, even if Peter Jackson made them. I mean, is that not even already true to a certain degree with the Hobbit films?
Basically, there is no "dumbing down" of the franchise here. No nuance is taken away. None of this is made more for casual fans. This is not comparable to an MCU-style storyline. It is Star Wars refined down to its very core, simply removing the bad and emphasizing the good. It's, I would say, the very definition of less is more.
So, while you might personally prefer TPM and AOTC in your Star Wars viewing order (which is totally fair!) to make all of these claims is just blatantly unfair and wrong.
@josephchaney4964 You would think that considering you don't understand the sensibilities of George Lucas.
@@OfficialRaveBlitz That's a bit of a nothing reply, but, alright, lol. Thanks for sharing your thoughts either way! :)
@@josephchaney4964
The criteria you're supposed to use when judging a piece of art, is to see how far an author or artist reached their goals, not what you'd want out of it.
@@OfficialRaveBlitzI’m with ya. You sound versed in Rick Worley’s Star Wars takes, and if not, he highlights those points in the best way I’ve seen on the platform. Art is best dictated by its artist
I actually agree with you here but in a different way. Star Wars should have started with Episode 2 but drastically altered to make Anakin less whiny. Have the romance between Anakin and Padme build up. Have them start off as just friends with friendly banter. They had a perfect opportunity to do in our film where the Jedi assign Anakin to Padme we can keep that and play off that. Episode 2 well my episode 2 would have been durning the Clone Wars. Obi Wan goes to great lengths in New Hope talking about it. Yet in the movies themselves we don’t get much of it expect like the end of it. Why not have a 2 hour movie showcasing one or two of the story lines from Clone Wars? Not only would we see a more mature Anakin but it would hit even harder in Revenge of the Sith when we see him turn into Vader. Idk just thought. To me episode 1 we have currently is just a nothing burger of wasted potential. To me if they had started the story like this we would have a way better story.
Yeah, I totally get this! I've actually been talking with a friend of mine who loves the prequels about how I could come back to this project and re-incorporate Episode I and II. It's an unfinished idea, but I'm thinking about maybe making them just one movie, where the focus is on Episode II's plot and everything Anakin-related from Episode I is treated as flashbacks or something. Just a thought right now, because, yeah, it would be nice to have a stronger opening than what the Clone Wars offers. But, as I mentioned in the video, TPM and AOTC are simply too awful to be that in their current state.
I think the "I have the high ground" line was meant to have a double-meaning aside from what it literally means. As in, Obi-Wan is correct, Anakin is being foolish, and they both know it. "It," being their fight, not just physically but also their conflicting view points, should come to a conclusion, because Kenobi has the moral high-ground over Anakin. Of course, Skywalker refuses his once-friend's final plea to stop his nonsense.
Of course, there being a deeper meaning behind stuff doesn't really fix it if you fundamentally find it silly, and I don't think your mind will change on this, but I do hope that another perspective on this scene can at least help you appreciate it a bit more!
Admittedly, I'm coming from the perspective of unabashedly loving every second of the prequel trilogy, so consider that this may be coloring my perspective into seeing things that aren't there, but I personally have faith that this was intentional considering just how much Lucas' Star Wars films consistently have available to dig deep into and interpret over all six of them
I've actually never heard this before and while I definitely like the idea, I just don't think it was represented well. I absolutely love when things have deeper meaning and subtext but I think it's fair to say they can't be too vague to the point that nobody is even sure if the subtext is really there. If it were just highlighted a little better (and phrased a bit different) I might prefer its inclusion. Thanks for mentioning this! :)
Ok... but you left out the best part of Star Wars... Qui Gon Jinn 💚
Yeah, that was one of the harder things to lose, but I feel it's worth it.
Although, from hearing a lot of these comments, I have been considering making a combined edit of TPM and AOTC so maybe that'll be a way to get him in there. :P
I really want to see a Revenge of the Sith remake in the Clone Wars animation style. It's not meant to replace RoTS, rather it's intercut with scenes from the end of TCW to make basically this video here, but consistently animated instead of cutting between animation & live action.
I would absolutely love to see this! I prefer the animation and voice performances in the Clone Wars to live-action too so it'd be really incredible to see. Plus, they could make a lot of adjustments to the script to fix the problems it has.
I like where you are coming from. Star Wars where it stands right now is mid. If I watch it in a bubble it feels great.
I will show my kids in release order when they are old enough.
4-5-6
1-2-3
Clone Wars (All)
From then on I’ll do whatever I want. I could care less about 7-8-9.
If they really like Clone Wars I will open the door to
Ahsoka
Rebels
Mando
+The other media not named.
If they don’t like 7-8-9 and boba fett all the other BS. No issue. Stick to what you like. They do not impact the main story at all.
I appreciate that!
I think that's a pretty great way to go about it. Even if some of the films are bad, it's important to see them all to understand the whole picture. And, it's how most fans got introduced anyway (I would assume).
I think we see eye to eye in more ways than just what you mentioned because we disagree with certain things and that makes me respect your opinion more. The best way that I can describe my transition from loving to trying not to loathe Star Wars was when I realized that return of the Jedi wasn’t as much of what Star Wars is as I thought when I was younger. There’s always been a vast amount of material in the EU, and it was up to us as fans to determine what was just fun fan fiction and what was considered cannon. A good example is that most of us don’t think Han died after crashing into the American mid west and being killed by native Americans and chewy is the legend of Sasquatch. But undisputedly, everything on screen was cannon. That’s pretty frustrating now because Disney treats it like it’s not. But with ROJ specifically, I decided that teddy bears killing imperial storm troopers with rocks and arrows wasn’t Star Wars. Everything that movie did was fantastic with the tragedy of a story they were telling and ROS was equally impactful in that same way. People that throw out, well you hated the prequels at first too, but understand that we’re being critical of what we love. We know that all of the movies have their flaws and being unable to acknowledge that is disingenuous.
I actually never really got that into the EU besides the Force Unleashed and a few books, so I guess I can't fully understand that problem. I do definitely relate that Disney is treating the canon horribly, especially considering nothing they've made took any of George Lucas's vision into account. And, so, to strike down the EU just to create a bunch of corporate fan-fiction is a really scummy way to treat the fans.
I like that you mentioned acknowledging the flaws in the films. It seems like we're at a point where if you criticize a film at all or label it as bad tons of people discount your perspective. I've been seeing that a lot in this comment section; people unable to accept that just because I have a lot of things I dislike about the franchise doesn't mean I'm not a real fan, or that I don't understand the story.
I'd love to hear what you disagree with in this video by the way! :)
@@josephchaney4964I know you don’t doubt this, but you are a real fan. I don’t see that a lot in the younger generations, but you and I aren’t really that far apart. I abandoned my unwanted HS graduation party to see ep III opening night. (Which I fell asleep during because I stayed up the previous night finishing my friend’s custom Jedi robes of the character of their choice as my graduation gift to them) this is all top level and I can tell by a few comments that we likely disagree on other specific things, but my brother in law who’s much closer to your age thinks Solo is the best movie and no matter how many times I try to understand that, we just have to disagree on that even though I really respect his perspective overall. The main thing in this video that I disagree with is that you think II and III ended one the same note or that they told the same story from different perspectives. Nice try, Alec, fool me once. Both stories needed to be told separately even if the structure followed the overall theme. I don’t know if you saw the acolyte, but I just watched that for the first time over the holiday. Combining II and III leaves you with the same abrupt switch that was force fed to you in that show. I think it should have been hinted at far more in ep I that anikin had these dark side tendencies, but they wanted to make him as a child as likeable as possible for the story to return full circle. Disagreeing doesn’t mean one person is right or wrong, it just means what I said was true. From a certain point of view. ;)
@@chrismathis5601 That's honestly really cool! Genuine hardcore Star Wars fan stuff :D
Not sure if I'm totally understanding your point, but I'm saying here that Clone Wars and ROTS end at the same point, not AOTC and ROTS. But maybe that was just a typo idk :P
But, if you're saying you don't agree that ROTS and Clone Wars should be merged than I can understand that. I just prefer them to be combined but I can totally get why someone would prefer to experience those two stories independently of each other.
And, no, I didn't see the Acolyte and have no plans to. Ever since I made this edit I've been pretty tapped out on all the new Star Wars stuff, living in my little bubble of contentment, lol. Plus, I've heard mostly bad things so it doesn't seem I'm missing out.
@@josephchaney4964 I did misinterpret that. Thanks for catching it. I’d have to reevaluate it from that lense before I could comment. I think you captured it pretty well when you said it hit on the most important aspects of the story though. I think Disney did this with Star Wars too, but I know they put the MCU in chronological order on their platform. I didn’t want to because the amount of content I hadn’t seen, nor did I care to watch feel insurmountable, I ticked away at it gradually because I wanted to understand. I saw endgame in theaters with a friend and they leaned over to ask me if I had any idea what was going on and I leaned back to say, “No fucking clue”. I didn’t know antman or strange, or Loki for that matter, but there was all this content that was suddenly relevant. Probably what you would have felt if the EU was still cannon. I don’t have time for all of this, I’d like to just be able to appreciate the main storyline and that be extra. Has a lot to do with Asoka falling flat for me. I only watched it for thrawn storyline and they did his character dirty. I had no idea who Ezra was or several of the others.
@@chrismathis5601 Yeah, that's legitimately one of the biggest problems. It really is just way too much stuff. I find it's really fun to be swept up in a long, sweeping narrative the first time around but afterwards I just want all the fat cut out. I quit Marvel when the TV shows started so I totally get what you mean.
I can't tell by your comments, but have you seen the Clone Wars series?
I think a lot of you to this day have a misunderstanding of the story the prequel trilogy tells and what the purpose of each film is can’t go over everything but I have some main points about the overall narrative. I’ll grant the films have some strange or flat out underwhelming execution in some ways. The main positive from TPM is Qui-Gon’s character and how starting with Anakin as a kid adds more depth to him. Qui-Gon was the father Anakin needed that’s why duel of fates is played during the battle, if he didn’t die Anakin would never have been able to turn
I like Anakin and Obi-Wan’s dynamic in AOTC I’ve never brought into the idea just bc Obi calls him a good friend in the OT their relationship was perfect that’s not realistic or as interesting. Everyone ignores him mentioning he failed to instruct him properly, the whole point of the prequels being to show how it happened, and that Anakin is a Padawan in AOTC. Only scenes of Padme that feel off are the but I am grown up meme and the cheesy one towards the beginning of ROTS on the balcony. I would also swap the placement of the first kiss and meadow scene never understood why they jumped to a kiss that fast then follow with a scene that makes it more believable they would. If you look at AOTC deleted scenes you’ll realize they should have kept the Padme ones in
TCW Anakin is not an alternate version of the character it’s the same character as in the films only difference is that TCW is showing more of him outside of those scenarios in the films that were meant to depict drama and conflict. TCW Anakin is a little more comedic I’ll grant but that applies to TCW at large. As some have mentioned they can’t even see TCW Anakin turning that’s exactly my point about why the films were made the way they are
I’m not gonna rehash the film again but the premise of ROTS is that through Anakin being blinded by his love for Padme he’s not thinking straight throughout the film enabling Sidious’ manipulation. Even when he’s denied the rank of master yeah his reaction is the real him but the reason he’s lashing out is bc of the stress from thinking about Padme’s fate. He would otherwise pause briefly thinking to himself that’s bs since the council is too stupid to explain to him the difference between the criteria for a knight vs a master (which isn’t ever made clear it’s something you have to piece together) then take a seat. When he tells Padme the Jedi have tried to overthrow the Republic he genuinely believes that hence why Obi says he was deceived by a lie
Dave Filoni said the reason he wanted Ahsoka dead as Vader is bc she reminds him of his past. He wants to forget and believe his friends betrayed him bc the truth hurts too much. A common compliant I think is somewhat of a good point is the last confrontation between Anakin Padme and Obi being flawed. Was Anakin too quick to attack Padme? Realistically yes they just had to get her out of the picture so they could fight from that prospective it’s more tragic bc Padme may have been able to talk him out of it. Just think how different things would have been if Obi-Wan didn’t show up there specifically. It also serves to articulate how far he has fallen giving Obi-Wan less reason to think he can change him. Don’t forget that the dark side corrupts your mind. Obi-Wan could have tried to talk it out more and Anakin could have shown more reluctance to kill him but the basic premise is that Anakin doesn’t plan on backing down and Obi-Wan won’t join him leaving no other choice but to fight. So while it’s not how it would have gone if we had a TCW version of these events it’s still passable
My main critic of the prequel trilogy is just that TPM and AOTC alone aren’t enough to supplement ROTS which is luckily somewhat fixed by the existence of TCW. Many old EU fans critic TCW as an inferior version of the EU and many call it overrated in general due to a lot of it being more like filler but that’s missing the point. TCW is loved because it’s an entertaining cohesive supplement to the films unlike the old EU which while having some good things (see Geetsly’s video on Dooku for instance) is a chore to research and mostly boring to go through. The ROTS novelization which stands on its own is the one of the few old EU content that’s really worth reading
I was 19 when TFA released. I wanted to love it but I couldn't. I didn't hate it either, but I wasn't happy, and I didn't know why. Then Rogue One was released, and almost all my worries were gone. I loved it. Then TLJ came out, and I was heartbroken.
This is pretty much exactly how it happened for me, yeah. And then Solo and TROS just took it to its grave :P
@josephchaney4964 I actually don't hate Solo. It was just meh. That's probably why I forgot to mention it. Lol
Yeah, fair enough. It's not horrible it just feels like a lot of nothing, but still fun I guess :P
Please release this cut im begging you
I would love to! I don't think there's literally any way I can do that legally, but I am considering making a second video that's basically an instruction manual on how to put this together. I know that would require editing experience but it's the best I can do I think. :/
He said: “I can fix her”😂
You wut- bubble bass
It’s a grand universe full of stories to tell…
Yeah, that's true if what you want from the story is lore and endless content. But, if you just want the core story that was started in the 70's than I think what I've done here is pretty close to the way to go.
Every single movie, series, book, or etc. ever created could be franchised and have a million stories told in its world. It doesn't mean that should be done or that the existence of those should be praised.
For the people that just want the core Star Wars story to be as best as it can be, I think what I've got here is pretty close. There's nothing wrong with not wanting a million spin-offs. :)
Thank you for your service. Where can I watch your efforts???
I'm considering creating a second video that's basically an instruction manual "how-to" for anyone who wants to watch this. Because I don't think I can legally upload this, lol. But I still would love others to be able to watch it.
I think from what I heard before it released in 1976, George Lucas originally intended to have Star Wars just as one big long story instead of stories that have been split into three to make a trilogy and have the Death Star in the final act.
And while I somewhat understand that it could have flopped if it were to be done in that aspect, I sorta respect the way Star Wars is today since the story is mostly about the Skywalker Legacy. Revenge of the Sith is one of my all-time favorite stories because it's what bridges the gap 19 years between that and the first one.
What's also interesting is that there was supposedly a four hour cut of Revenge of the Sith, but was never finished due to I think some scenes that were left unfinished or something. And something similar happened with a six hour cut of Phantom Menace.
I guess how you have your own opinion with fixing some part of Star Wars is something I can respect since some fans are wanting to make their own revitalized editions of the Sequel Trilogy while some other fans want them to be out of existence. Then again, I daresay some of your edits to Clone Wars S7 and Episode III sorta blends to the fact that it could make a nice four hour cut of Episode III. 💙
Thanks! I've never heard about Lucas wanting the OT to be one big long story. I'll have to look into that more!
And, yeah, if there's more to be seen of ROTS I think that'd be fantastic. However, I'm a little hesitant considering most of the deleted scenes we have gotten to see are pretty goofy and don't add much.
Makes sense. However, there's a few deleted scenes for Episode III that are quite interesting. A few of them are Anakin and Palpatine having their talks and another of how Padmé talks to Bail and Mon Mothma about politics and stuff like that which is quite interesting to learn from since THOSE types of deleted scenes would be interesting to see.
I think there's also a specific moment in the Matthew Stover where Obi-Wan talks with Padmé about Anakin and how he wants to help him and all that. Which is actually quite sad because the book gives us a bit of the same information to what has happened in the movie with expanded material that just gets you right in the heart. My favorite part of the Episode III novelization by Matt Stover is at the very end with the saying:
"This is how it feels to be Anakin Skywalker, forever."
That part in the book alone is just so gut-wrenching because it's a constant reminder that Darth Vader is not just some tyrannical monster who's done all evil in the galaxy... but, he was once a youthful boy who dreamed of being a Jedi and was later grown to be a broken man who lost almost everything and everyone in his life. He lost Obi-Wan, Padmé and all those people... but, the only one he didn't lose was his son, Luke.
And I absolutely love the Skywalker Legacy because it's the story of a man who was later to become the monster everyone knows and feared as children before being spared and given a chance of redemption in the Original Trilogy. 💙
@@richarde.skywalker1977 Fair, yeah, those particular scenes are great! I guess I was thinking too much about the extra scenes with grievous in the hallway and stuff like that, lol
I've never read the novelizations but that sounds really beautiful. I feel like it'd be really incredible to see a "perfect" version of Star Wars where all the best parts of the movies, shows, novels, and EU merge into some masterful narrative. It could probably only ever be achieved in animation, and I wouldn't even really want that made, but it's interesting to think about. Because, yeah, a lot of the things you mentioned are amazing and it's a shame they aren't better highlighted in the films we got.
True. Also, there's no need to worry about a thing for thinking about the other scenes with Grievous. It's all good, I was merely explaining about some other scenes that might come in handy for the four hour cut of Episode III.
As for the book of that story, it's quite a tragically beautiful one cuz it has some expanded material that hasn't been shown in some parts of the movies. Like for instance, I believe there's a moment towards the end of the book the voice of Qui-Gon communicates with Yoda before Senator Bail Organa arrives to inform him that Obi-Wan was en route to see if Padmé would give birth.
And I think the moment where Palpatine talks to Anakin about the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise in the opera scene (correct me if I'm wrong since I've only ever seen the "how it feels to be Anakin" bit) might be a tad bit longer and more in-depth than how we saw it in the theatrical cut of Episode III.
I love how some certain aspects in novels that are based on the same story via movies slightly differ because of added material that makes the story all the more astonishing and beautiful. For example, there's a moment in the ROTS novel where R2 realizes that Anakin wasn't feeling like himself to which reminds him that he chose the path of the Dark Side, which is kinda sad because Anakin and R2 were like the best of friends until Anakin was seduced by Sidious.
Then again, I guess it's safe to say that if George Lucas had continued with the Skywalker Legacy by writing his treatment for Episodes VII, VIII and IX, it probably would've been well received I believe, but I don't blame him for wanting to back down and settle with family. I'm just glad that he chose to spend his time doing that instead of being an absent father. 💙
@@richarde.skywalker1977 This is one of the main reasons I'd love to see ROTS redone in the Clone Wars style of animation. It would let them fix all the problems with the original script, as well as blending in some of the stuff you're mentioning to ease the inconsistencies or stuff that felt missing.
You're almost making me want to check out the novelizations for some of the movies, lol. Maybe I will, but it also might make me annoyed I can't see some of these things in the films/show. And, also maybe lead me to revisit this project again :D
I like most of your changes, but I think Lucas had the right idea about the Ewoks overthrowing the Stormtroopers. It was his way of showing that physical strength and superior numbers don't always win a fight. As for the "Obi-Wan Kenobi" framework attempt, I think its a good idea, but the scene itself is flawed since they didn't do enough to de-age the actors for the time the scene is supposed to be set in...especially Hayden Christensen. Anyone can look at his face in both that sequence and "Attack of the Clones", and see he is more than 20 years older. They gave Ewan an appropriate beard, but it was too thin and short; his version from the film was thicker overall. As a result, the sequence is a fairly large continuity error from a visual standpoint, even though I like the acting and choreography.
I would accept that explanation for the ewoks for anything that wasn't the finale, lol. If that had been in any smaller-scale battle or other movie it could be cool, but I do not think it was the right move for the grand finale of the entire story.
And, yeah, the age difference bothers me slightly but I don't think it's that big of a deal. Star Wars has what feels like trillions of problems and there's no way I can fix them all, so if one of a few small inconsistencies with my "fixed" version is just Anakin's face in one scene, then I can live with that. :P
What? I really liked Rebels.. it's easily my favourite of the shows. And i've just gotten into the franchise this year..
Hey, fair enough! It doesn't really appeal to me, but it has tons and tons of fans. So, clearly there's a lot going for it. :)
One minute into the video and i see Rebels in "Bad". Did you stop watching during S1 or how else did your come to that conclusion?
Also PS: TLJ is one of my favorite SW movies
No, I just don't like it overall. It's just way too kiddy for me, personally. I think it's bad because of the way it portrays the empire as so inept, I find the characters very annoying, the animation lackluster, and the stories pretty devoid of any real impact (aside from when they dredge up CW characters, which feels cheap)
And, fair enough! I enjoy it as it's own thing, but I think it's just too problematic when put up against the rest of the saga.
For me i would have Changed Episode 1 and 2 alot
And have Episode 3 divided into 2 parts with Part 2 being The early days of Empire vs rebels and Obi wan , Yoda and padme trying to bring vader back to light
If you want an interesting way to enjoy Star Wars, I would recommend what I would call the true purist interpretation. basically, it's just the original trilogy, specifically the despecialized editions, and the expanded universe from 1991 through 1998. And that's it. while a lot of the novels and comic books and video games from the '90s were cheesy or sometimes kind of mid, A lot of them were very faithful to the vision and vibes of the original trilogy. not only that, but the weird sci-fi aesthetic of the prequels were not around, so a lot of that expanded universe visually fit the original trilogy better and that low fidelity sci-fi look. watching the original trilogy and reading the expanded universe material from the '90s and headcanoning out the prequels honestly makes the Star Wars universe a good bit more enjoyable, at least for me anyway. It's more consistent.
That does sound really awesome but I think it just might not be for me, lol. That sounds like way too much stuff and I'm sure I'd want that to all be streamlined too. Plus, I don't think I could ever just ignore the existence of Clone Wars :D
But, hey, if you have any video editing capabilities you should make a video on that! I've been hearing a lot of really cool perspectives in the comments and wouldn't mind watching a video essay on a few of them. :)
The OT is vastly overrated it’s mostly a generic good guy vs bad guys story with basic characters and plot twist/progression. ROTJ is the only one that’s really impactful and that’s more so bc the existence of prequel content elevates the ending
@@KurokamiNajimi Notice how I included the EU in my recommendation? not just the OT? yeah, probably should've paid closer attention.
@ Wasn’t my point and I don’t think SW EU is that great. Some of the ideas are good (emphasis on some the majority of it is straight up unappealing imo) but the experience of actually going through it isn’t that’s why most people don’t care about it past watching videos that summarize the lore. We need entertaining, cohesive, and meaningful additions to the lore. Films and animated series are generally the way to go for that and even most of those idgaf about. The only novel I truly love is the ROTS novelization ironically I consider it the best SW story
@@KurokamiNajimi It's impressive that you can speak for that large of a portion of the star wars fandom. I've been a member of the EU community for a while now and I can tell you we strongly disagree with your take here
This is a cool way to trim the movies but idk how you can edit all these things in the movies then include all of Filoni TCW, 90% of that is filler. I like filler but if the goal is just creating a core or "main version" of Star Wars most of TCW before the final arcs needs the chopping block. Also do you plan on releasing this edit?
Damn! I knew I forgot to include something in this video and this was probably it! Yeah, lol, I actually ignore about 50% of the Clone Wars whenever I watch through all this. Because, yeah, so much of it is filler. Thanks for pointing this out!
I don't believe I could ever legally upload this edit but I am considering making a second video that walks-through how to make it yourself. :)
If they did the prequels in the style of the clone wars they would be amazing imo. As they stand right now they are bad
Only as long as they also revamped the script. That's definitely the biggest problem :P
If I could make a change to the Obi Wan series, I think it would be hilarious if the fight between Vader and Obi Wan had a moment where Darth Vader jumped up onto a hilltop a said "Who's got the high ground now, huh? Who's got the high ground now?"
If you watch the clone wars 2003 micro series in between attack of the clones and revenge of the sith it fits perfectly.
Maybe that'd be fun to do if I kept AOTC :P
Obi Wan: "I got the high ground"
Me as a teen, seeing this in the theatre in 2005: "Waiiiit, THIS is how he gets defeated????!!!!"
I mean, not only was it anti-climatic, but on top of that, if Obi Wan could force jump 3 stores up in TPM, Anakin can't jump slightly higher?? It's kind of astounding how memes can make a dumb thing super popular. I'm glad you cut it
It's so cheesy and dumb.
@@johnb2422 Yes, fully agree
Yeah, it literally makes no sense. I was so excited when I realized I could alter the scene and music just enough to remove it :D
@@josephchaney4964 Absolutely! And as I said, made that scene so popular
While I agree RotS is the best PT movie (doesn’t say much), it’s so overrated. My fav SW back in 2005 was RotJ (now it’s ESB), and I was so eager to see the parallels. Anakin was gonna be taunted like Luke was. Only this time it would work. Anakin would slip. But NOP! Nothing like that.. Anakin’s turn was super simplistic and rushed, and Anakin came across as the most gullible person in history
On paper Palpatine forming the Empire by turning the republic is a great idea (many examples in world history where this has happened), but same issue here. Super simplistic and rushed
@@Chemical_Argentum This is one of the reasons I absolutely adore Clone Wars. It gives so much depth and a billion more reasons to justify Anakin's fall. It's still not perfect but it saves it for me, at least.
I'll say though I used to find Palpatine's thing a bit rushed and simplistic too, but honestly, after everything we keep seeing in the world today I fully buy it, lol. People in real life consistently prove themselves to be more stupid and blind than what we saw in the SW senate 😆
Retcon the Disney trilogy. That's how you fix it. Get it away from Disney!
THE REASON BEHIND GREVIOUS NOT FIGHTING IN III LIKE HE DID IN CLONE WARS IS BECAUSE AT THE END OF CLONE WARS WINDO FORCE CHOKED HIM WHILE KIDNAPING PALPATINE
SO AT THE START OF III HE IS STILL RECOVERING FROM THAT AND IN UTAPAU HE IS KINDA BETTER
I never said a thing about that though, lol
You are 90% right, your edit is amazing, no notes.
Rogue one is absolutely what it needs to be, a way for us to understand that years and years go on in-between, and what makes the original trilogy even possible (atleast episode 4) its truly a necessary add in
Would you say for sure that it is "essential" or that that is just preference? Because Star Wars was just fine for decades without it, and I don't think anything would be too different without it. I actually really love just having the gap between ROTS and ANH be completely empty; I think it makes the story stronger. Kind of like, if you've seen it, the time jump between The Dark Crystal and the Netflix show. I think that absence really gives the original trilogy a powerful feel. But, that's just my opinion, at least. :)
@Josephchaney Honestly this is pretty good I would rather take your version any day over Disney’s concoction. You made some interesting points It’s feels more natural. I also appreciate that you changed Vader’s comedic Noooo! Into an actual raged filled scream it fits better into Anakin’s character his anger let out at what he’s become. And I definitely would get rid of the sequels and the Mando-verse completely.
I also feel that perhaps the Clone Wars should be rewritten or rebooted since it’s still a popular era of Star Wars. Or start a new timeline into the future that isn’t tied to anything that came before or after. Extreme measures need to be taken if Star Wars is going to continue as a franchise.
Thanks so much! I really appreciate that :)
I guess if they wanted to keep things going and keep making money that would be a good business decision, but I can't imagine them doing a better job with Clone Wars than what we already have.
You can probably improve Episode 7 a lot by just editing out Star Killer Base. It's so unimportant to the story, I think you can cut it out just with edits.
I could maybe improve the sequels as individual films if I cut stuff and all of that, but I firmly believe they are unfixable as part of the Star Wars narrative. From the perspective of refining and bringing out the core, essential, intended, Skywalker narrative that I am arguing from in my video, there's just no possible way to include the sequels. Their very premise and story erases and makes meaningless nearly everything the core saga accomplished.
Me (clicks on this video): Choose your words very carefully, youngling
Hope to hear your thoughts if you finish the video 🙂
@@josephchaney4964 haven't watched it all yet but I gave some thoughts go find me! (spoiler I heavily disagree but I respect ur opinions 👍)
Never let bro cook again...
Nobody can stop me so I'm just gonna keep going :D
Your Star Wars story is honestly a far more captivating and powerful one than the one the world received! Little did we all know that the building blocks were there the whole time but just weren’t in a cohesive order. This was an extremely unique video essay with a perspective not seen before by anyone in the Star Wars community!
so a little background for rogue one. when disney took over they deleted everything but the 6 original movies and (this is total opinion here) I think they made rogue one as fan service to kyle katarn that in disney's eyes no longer exists. in doing they destroyed one of the best video game star wars characters EVER. I mean the characters are even very similarly named. this is my opinion on why that movie exists.
i of course don't count ANY star wars material disney has made as canon. so... there's that.
Maybe I'm just reading this wrong, but I can't figure out if you're trying to say that Rogue One is good or not. Or if it should exist or not. :P
The solution is that you should see stuff in release order, as everything builds off everything before. The references are to what is, not what will be.
Can you elaborate on that? I don't feel like that makes a case against anything I said in the video. :)
I think "I have the high ground" means "I have the advantage and skill to win and I have been holding back cause I don't want to kill you"
Could very well be, but it's still not conveyed well and comes across as goofy and deflating as such.
@@josephchaney4964 yeah true, its a shame that many times Star Wars almost requires explanations after the fact on comics and such... and we are used to it kinda, specially in the sequels
@@FroGGi1989 It's very frustrating. I have no idea why most fandoms have gotten to a point where we excuse something making zero sense by just stating "this other thing explains it."
The best aspects of Star Wars have always been those which came from the books and games from what is now Legends. But do they make those into films? Noooooooo 🤦🏻♂️
- Rogue One should have been Andor Season 3
Yeah, that's fair. I still don't want Andor or Rogue One to exist but if they had to that's not a bad idea.
@@josephchaney4964 If you're gonna include The Clone Wars I don't see why you shouldn't include Andor. It's hardly Cassian's story after all. It shows really well how life under the Empire is and it builds up to the conflict in the originals.
@@zetester98 It's because of what I explained about how a story's scale should match its importance. The arcs in the Clone Wars either focus on Anakin, feature Anakin, or show us pivotal things about those around him that effect the main plot or his personal journey.
While it would be cool to have Andor in some ways, it just feels like too much time to spend on such a small character and such a small story. Like what I mentioned in the video with Breaking Bad and Avatar.
@@josephchaney4964 Like I mentioned, I don't think Andor is strictly about Andor. It's more of an ensemble Rebellion show. It sets up the status quo of the Galaxy nicely and gives more context to the movies. Also, this might be a controversial opinion, but I think Andor enhances Star Wars more than The Clone Wars does. I think The Clone Wars has too many inconsistencies (with itself and with the movies at large) and filler arcs.
@@zetester98 Yeah, that's fair. To me it still just falls into the category of stuff I mentioned with Breaking Bad and Avatar. Maybe I'm wrong for that but it's just how I feel about it.
What inconsistencies do you think Clone Wars has? Genuinely curious. :)
So does the 2003 clone wars fit in with any part of the 2008 clone wars or nah since they went from 2D to 3D?
It doesn't fit for me, personally, just because it doesn't feel necessary. It doesn't have that clear intention that the Clone Wars has where it's constantly building on the films and trying to solve ROTS's biggest issues. That's nothing against its quality though, it's just a me thing.
Nah Rogue One is significant because it's a turning point in the Galactic Civil War, y'know, their "first victory against the evil Galactic Empire?" It's effectively what gets the ball rolling in the OT. So I get what you're saying but I think it's earned the right to have so much gravitas.
Love Rogue One all you want, I even said that I like it a lot, but it is absolutely not necessary or significant enough to be elevated to the scale it was. I'm not arguing its quality with people because we all are going to have our own opinions, but the issue of whether it's necessary or significant enough to have its own movie is clear. It's just not. And that's just true. Again, nothing against the actual quality of the film, but if you remove it from existance literally nothing changes about any of the movies or shows that exist. And nobody would feel like anything is missing.
Write a new script, not a collage, and sell it to Disney
But I don't want anymore Star Wars, lol
Maybe tweak what you’ve made just slightly to be cut down to 2 hours
The first three and the last three don't need to fixed just destroyed
I'd fully agree with you if it wasn't for Clone Wars, lol
And... where's the 4 hour version? Just the Episode III remake.
I can't legally share it but I might make a second video about how to make it yourself. :)
@@josephchaney4964 You could include the timestamps from the movie and which other media you use, like Ep III 0:10:14 - 0:15:23 and such for the movie, and for the other media their abbreviations + S02E10 and such.
Also, Foresure subscribed. I like your editing on this video alone. I think some more commentary videos on the current state of Star Wars and such would be really nice. Most Star Wars UA-cam channels really just bitch and cry… (We all know the person I am talking about) and don’t really actually give a solution to the issues. Rather just pin it on Disney and call it a day. Get a million views.
So if you continue to attack Star Wars from a truly analytical perspective instead of a “Shit sucks I’m done” attitude, I think this is a market not to heavily utilized in the community.
This really means a lot to me as I'm deciding whether to keep pursuing UA-cam videos!
I've definitely got more thoughts on Star Wars but I don't know if I would want to become a "Star Wars UA-camr." After making this video, it also feels challenging to continue saying anything meaningful without just complaining. I am thinking about it all though.
I'm also very curious though, who actually are you referring to? :)
@@josephchaney4964 SW Theory is my guess
Could be, yeah. I thought he was extremely positive about all things SW though? Maybe I'm wrong
You know what's funny? Ahsoka wasn't liked when she deputed, later on she begun to be liked, and now? Due to how she's being portrayed lately, in a 'girl boss' manner, I can't tell what is going on anymore in 'Disney's Canon' Star Wars.
Yeah, I don't get the decision-making with Ahsoka anymore. She's my favorite character in the franchise but man they are taking her in some weird directions now, lol. She's gotten so lifeless
@@josephchaney4964 All because Dave Filoni is crazy obsessed with his waifu Ahsoka. It's crazy that his real wife hasn't voiced her concern on the matter as of late.
-"I'm not saying it should be less"
-"I wish Rogue One has never been made"
Yep, I'm done, bye.
See ya! :)
Can you drop a link to it mabey
I'd love to, but I don't think that'd be legal. I'm considering making a second video where I walk-through how to make it yourself though. :)
I think fan edits can be a tricky thing if they get favored over the intention of the creator’s material. Especially once stuff gets cut or replaced. The high ground, Vader’s “no,” the Ewoks, the nature of the special editions, I think you’ve missed a lot of the points and parallels for why those scenes are the way they are. I do think there can be nuance in experimenting with fan-edited material if the original source is familiar, respected, and open to being returned to by the viewer, although it would suck if Star Wars (or any media) were introduced to someone in an alternate way for the first time (which is a great potential flaw of fan editing). Fan edits for casual limited personal use can be mostly harmless fun, but (and here’s the most important part) commercially and historically it is important we don’t become comfortable replacing a creator’s final vision for their art, which becomes a morally gray zone where fan edits are concerned. Nonetheless, I’m sure this project was beneficial for your editing skills and enthusiasm for at least parts of George Lucas’ story.
I appreciate this comment! I'm really going to have to disagree though. I haven't missed the point of any of these things.
There seems to be a growing conversation here in the comments about how "if the artist intended it than it's the best thing for the story." Which, simply isn't true. I've been citing Ridley Scott's Blade Runner film and what J.K. Rowling has done to her stories to make this point. It is fully possible for the creator to mess up the execution of their story or misunderstand their own work after the fact.
And, I think, the "Han shot first" scene is all of the proof needed for this. Do you genuinely believe that scene was made better by Lucas? Or, do you think maybe it shows that he doesn't always know best with Star Wars and will sometimes make something worse?
I also think it's fully subjective how fan-material can be used and shown. I fully believe that everything Disney has made in the Star Wars universe is fan-fiction. But, nobody would have an issue with me showing someone the sequels or the Mandalorian or etc. I think it's totally fair to introduce someone to Star Wars the way I describe in this video, as long as I explain the changes. There is nothing stopping them from going back and watching the originals if they want the full picture.
I've actually shown my edited versions to quite a few people (some die-hard fans who saw ANH in the 70's) and they have loved it, agreeing it's a superior way to experience the franchise. Now, obviously, that doesn't prove me right at all, because it's just more opinions. But I think it proves this particular issue is subjective.
Hmm, I'd say classifying Rebels and Ahsoka as bad is quite controversial (especially rebels). No matter, I would love to watch your ROTS edit. Is it available anywhere?
Yeah, maybe. Just my preference though. :P
@@josephchaney4964 I totally get that! I edited the comment, but is there any way to watch your ROTS edit? It seems like you did a really solid job!
@@greatrandomgamer1950 I don't believe I can legally upload it anywhere but I am considering making a second video that just acts as a sort of "instruction manual" for anyone who wants to put this together. :)
I respect almost all of your opinions except I completely disagree on the Ewoks. Yes it’s not realistic, but that’s not the point. The message at its most simple is nature triumphs over technology
And that would be fantastic if it were placed anywhere but the finale to the entire saga. That'd be a fun little story and message at any other point but putting it at the very end was not the best move, lol
@@josephchaney4964 the OT are actually allegories for the Vietnam war, while the PT are allegories for how democracy dies in relation to the rise of technology and the surveillance state, where the message is that the ones who claim to solve the problem as a result of the reaction are also the ones who instigated it.
The ewoks are in fact supposed to represent the force of nature and also the cyclical nature of.... Nature.
We are doomed to increase our technology until it sends us back to the stone age. The force however persists, and heroes will come and go as they are needed.
That is to say, fantastic video. Good job and looking forward to seeing more
Bro is a fool
Thanks! :)
I liked and subbed. You deserve it❤️
Thanks so much! I really appreciate that!
somebody make this into a real thing pls
If this video gets enough traction I'm considering making a guide on how to put these edits together. :)
I think it’d be cool if you mashed all 3 of the prequels together with the clone wars as a single film will it be long yes would I watch it also yes
That would be insanely long, lol. I think I'd want more than a few breaks in there. Plus, I hope you're saying just the clone wars and not the literal entire thing :D
@ I mean all 3 prequels and the entirety of the clone wars that works
I meant to say "clone wars finale" in my comment but regardless, you are dedicated! Lol that'd be like an 80 hour movie 😆
@ hey it would be a masterpiece especially if you squeeze in the clone wars micro series too sheesh that would be glorious
I agree with this at an extent
I appreciate hearing that! What don't you agree with? :)
AotC is good, sorry but it is truly good, sure it doesn't beat ESB or RotS, but I still like it, especially since I love the big battle against the droids (with the Jedi showing how inept they are at military leadership at first! I mean a mass attack over OPEN TERRAIN without cover? Sorry, nope even me who never served in a military knows this is batshit crazy!
I'm glad you enjoy it but at the end of the day it, plain and simple, is just not a good movie. All three of the prequels fail at almost every metric we have of judging a film's quality. That's pretty undeniable.
It's okay to love it, it's okay to want to watch it, and it's okay to love the intent and story so much that it makes up for the flaws to you. It's alright to like a bad movie. :)
1:06 WRONG!!! 1, 2, & Rogue One are GOOD and I'm sick and tired of hearing otherwise (of course you have my full permission to be wrong)
Lol, I'm glad I have your permission to be wrong. I really needed that. :P
If you look at TPM, AOTC, and Rogue One as films, as what they are, they are not good. Plain and simple. The prequels legitimately fail at nearly every system we have of examining and critiquing a movie, and Rogue One fails at a good number of them but not all. That being said, I literally said I like Rogue One, and I actually love the idea behind TPM and AOTC, but the execution was horrible.
So, I'm very glad you like them! Really! But, it's okay to keep watching something, and love something, while understanding it's not necessarily good. :)
This was rough. You lost me when you suggested removing Rogue One.
Fair enough. Nothing wrong with you wanting to keep it and nothing wrong with me wanting it removed. :)
Why the shade on Rebels??? It's at least decent, imo
To me, it's just too kiddish. It's got a lot of problems but for me it all boils down to how ineffective and cartoonish it portrays the empire, and how annoying and childish the lead cast is. :/
you don’t understand nuance at all, the reason Obi Wan mentions the high ground thing isn’t because he feels he cannot be beaten there, it’s because he is baiting Anakin into attacking him at a disadvantage. he knows if he says that, Anakin’s pride would force him to attack Obi Wan
Just blatantly untrue, but obviously you're free to think whatever you want. How you can listen to all of my thoughts on stories for 25 minutes (presuming you did) and come away with that idea about me is pretty hilarious though.
I understand nuance just fine, lol. But there is a line where nuance and subtext become so vague and so poorly illustrated that they practically cease to exist. Lucas did not set up, illustrate, or execute what you are mentioning well at all. And, so, if that is the explanation, great! It just should've been done better. And, since it wasn't, it's 100% fair for me to want it removed.
I couldn't disagree any more with the initial premise or the conclusions
Care to tell me why at all?
very simple solution to the watch order
watch clone wars 2003 instead of the big series
How does that fix anything? I'd just be cutting the best and most important parts?
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it has alot of epic action scenes
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nothing in CW is relevant for SW
CW 03 shows a proper grevious
and it shows how the chancelour got abducted
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while i like Ashoka
she is completly irrelevant for the greater plot
Hot take! It's totally fair to argue that one is better than the other but to imply 2003 CW is important/relevant and 2008 CW is not is just 100% wrong. I'd understand if you said they both are or they both aren't.
@@josephchaney4964 well CW 03 is a little under 2h long
so it is just a movie ......
watching SW as a 7 movie series workes very very well
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watching SW with all of CW inbetween doesn´t work
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also CW ruined many chars ...... worst of all grievous
@@baronbrummbar8691 I think Clone Wars 2008 works perfectly and the long-form anthology series format is perfect. I genuinely believe the slow fall of Anakin was way too big to attempt telling in a single trilogy, and that giving it seven seasons to fully breathe is perfect.
Sorry, you're upset because Rogue One isnt about the Skywalkers? Rough start man
Not only is there not a single moment in my video that indicates I'm "upset," but that is a complete misunderstanding of the entire point I made. :P
someone’s already made an edit for this bud
Yep, they have, bud. But not like mine. All the ones I've seen just toss in full-length CW episodes; I actually weaved them into the places they fit in the story/timeline. And, even if anyone else has done that, I still did enough of my own stuff with the four-hour edit and my other edits to more than justify this.
But, thanks, bud!
@ ahh i see bud, what’s the run time on it?
It's about three and a half hours, bud.
@ ahh i see the version i’ve gots like 4 hours bud, so i see whatcha did there nice job!
@@trillyzb Yeah, bud. Yeah. :P
Allo
mediocre opinions
To you, sure. You wanna tell me why they're mediocre?
@@josephchaney4964 😛😛
@@graybonesau Fair enough :D
Rogue one is a better film than Return of the Jedi and all the prequels and sequels. It's my Episode 3. Stick with the good stuff.
No, just no! Everything (well: Ok most things, there were a few truly bad books and comics and games and TPM was the weakest, but still a decent, movie!) bevore Disney was OK! Especially the EU, which kept Star Wars ALIVE when there were no movies and when the average movie goer had basically forgotten Star Wars! Disney and especially Miss "The Force is Female" Kennedy (that hyperfeminist man-hater!) ruined this! Hell, there was already a sequel trillogy basically it's called the THRAWN-TRILLOGY, so we wouldn't have needed a Mary-Sue, a stupid pilot (Poe), a black man who was stopped from being a hero by a stupid bint etc. :( - Hell, even KK should have been fine, because MARA JADE is exactly her type of woman and still relatable enough to us guys!
Well how about you combined both Star Wars rebels andor and rogue one a Star Wars into one TV show called Star Wars rebellion into 3 seasons into that would fixed the Star Wars franchise
Considering Rebels, Andor, and Rogue One are all Disney films, that clashes pretty harshly with what I was trying to do here. Additionally, I don't think very highly of Rebels and wouldn't want to include it in my version of this story, and also it still leaves the problem of pacing (when I referenced Avatar) that I discussed in the video.
But, yeah, if that's something you'd enjoy then absolutely go for it! I'd even really enjoy watching a video about how that's put together. :)
Well how about fixing the Star Wars prequel titles like
Star Wars episode 1 the gradients of peace
Star Wars episode 2 the clone wars
Star Wars episode 3 revenge of the Sith the same but it’s 4 hour long mega movie that us fans would love and interesting at the same time what do you think
@@gfuelmonster5415 These aren't bad ideas! How'd you come up with "the gradients of peace?" That's pretty cool.
I still don't want to include TPM and AOTC in my story so switching the titles wouldn't do much, but they are cool titles. Maybe make your own version! I'd love to hear about it :)
Well I would have yoda be obi wan master in my version of the Star Wars prequels instead of qui-gon because it would make more sense to put the pieces together and a lot more interesting because of what obi wan said to Luke in the Star Wars episode 5 the empire strikes back logic sense
Ahsoka in my version of the Star Wars prequels instead of being anakin padawan because he didn’t have a padawan during revenge of the sith so in my version ahsoka is just anakin friend and she padawan of plo koon because I think it would make more sense because I just didn’t want to change too much because I just want to make more sense here
If Rogue One is meh for you, sorry but you are not a true Star Wars fan...
You literally could not be more wrong.
Firstly, a fan is literally just someone who enjoys something. So, if you like Star Wars, congratulations, you're a fan!
Secondly, Rogue One was created under Disney without advisement from Lucas, so to claim someone isn't a Star Wars fan for not liking it is hilariously wrong. :P
You "fixed" SW by editing the movies to accommodate Filoni's crap. Ridiculous
This is so wrong it's kind of funny. I literally removed every single thing Filoni created except for the Clone Wars. And, the Clone Wars not only was directly overseen by Lucas but he chose Filoni as the director of that series. So, no, what you said is not true. :D
Objectively only anh and esb are close to perfect every other film is either good (rotj) or absolute shit *cough cough prequels
100% agreed! It's so interesting that Star Wars has become the biggest franchise ever all because of just two films. Aside from a few arcs in the Clone Wars, they have literally never come close to capturing the level of quality achieved with ANH and ESB.
Terrible taste
Ah, damn. I should've remembered that I have terrible taste before making this video. Thank you for your wisdom.
You started off with the wrong foot by just adhering to the casual audiences and saying "Star Wars was never perfect" only for the views. All 6 episodes are masterpieces in their genre and style. But you need to abandon the popular myths, that originated in the media, and spread throughout "fans" who never had the time or patience to look into these films with care. I'm sure if you showed people: who are lukewarm about Star Wars; the Villenueve, Coppola and Kubrick filmography, they'd all fell sleep. Don't simply adopt an opinion. Study Star Wars as if you were studying The Godfather and you'll see why people defend the original hexalogy with passion.
It's so incredible how someone can make so many assumptions and be so wrong.
I did not adhere to casual audiences here. If you believe that, you clearly weren't paying attention.
I didn't say any of this "for the views." There's literally no reason for you to make that assumption. I made this video because I was passionate about it and I wanted to share my project with others. Simple as that.
Also pretty impressive that you came to the conclusion I haven't looked into these films with care. I love Star Wars and have absolutely looked into them with a ton of care. Just because I don't have your opinion doesn't mean that's not true.
Funny you mention Villenueve, Coppola, and Kubrik. I absolutely adore the work of those directors, a few of their films literally being some of my favorite movies of all time.
And, no, I'll study the Godfather like a story and Star Wars like a story, treating them as what they are. And, that's what I did. And it brought me to the opinions you saw in the video. It seems like maybe you just don't like that, and that's fine! Just maybe it'd be best not to make so many massive assumptions. :)
@@josephchaney4964 These are not assumptions. Write your words and google your sentences. You're just repeating someone else's ideas word by word, as if you had been given a pamphlet. And if you re-word it enough you'll see the main enablers in all of its splendor, the Hollywood media. In a time where attacking Lucas with these same notions, even before the prequels came out was put into fashion. This is not YOUR opinion.
And it's clearly and logically for the views cause you had no reason to belittle or undervalue Star Wars just to present a transmedia cut, you could've just presented the cut. And hats off to you for taking the time at making something like that. But IF your whole motivation for making the cut was somehow imagining that you understand Star Wars better than its author, then this is all just a sad media-enabled autolatry. Imagine the ego you need to have in order to write a title like: "I fixed Star Wars", and trying to soften it with quotation marks.
Different media enhances and showcases different forms of artistry. Making a movie presents different challenges than making a novel, game or an animated show. The merits, achievements are all different. You just don't mesh animation and film and call it a day, cause there's a different idea being presented in both works with the particular resources of each medium, and you're just interrupting them. If you cannot get something this basic about art, don't tell me you've studied Star Wars with care.
@@abadalfa Alright, man, I can see there's no reasoning with you. You are so fundamentally wrong it's laughable, but, obviously, there's no way to make you see that. And, of course, I'm sure you truly believe the same about me. So, I just hope you're happy and content with your perspective, because I'm beyond happy and content with mine. Thanks for the comments! :D
@@josephchaney4964 As long as the things I'm informing you about get stuck in the back of your head and you some day have the courage to look it up and see if that crazy dude in the comments was telling the truth, I'm happy. I'm aware people don't change in a day, and most can live their entire life in denial even if wisdom hits them in the face. I hope you're not like most, would be a waste of your talents. And I hope the dismissive attitude doesn't mean you're simply to afraid of failing at proving me wrong. I've studied Star Wars for more than 20 years to come and tell you this. Not lore or BS, but the art behind it. Start with Camille Paglia.
I'm very happy you're so confident. 🙂
you got a terrible taste calling phantom menace and attack of the clones bad
It's not really taste, if we're being fully honest. They fail at almost every single measure we have of judging a movie's quality. I'd love to hear why you think they're good though! :)
Objectively, they are bad films. I say this as someone who enjoys them.
I have been looking for every avenue to call prequel 1 and 2 good. I still haven't found it. And clone wars movie is straight up one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Duels of Fate scene absolutely slaps. Well done George!
@@lordbillious1138 Yeah I have fun with them but there's no denying that they're a hot mess. And it's frustrating because basically everyone in those movies is a grade-A actor and they're all giving the most wooden performances of their lives. Ewan McGregor, Sir Christopher Lee, Natalie Portman, Sam Jackson. How the _fuck_ did George manage to make Samuel L. Jackson _boring?_ Ian McDiarmid is the only one who actually seems to be having fun.
And Hayden Christiansen got saddled with this reputation as a terrible actor for _years_ because of his performance as Anakin, but he's genuinely great. Unfortunately he's working with an unedited, often-unfinished Lucas script, being directed by Lucas, against a bunch of green/bluescreen backgrounds. But put him in a scene with no dialogue and he excels. His physical acting in the scene where he's alone in the Council Chamber, staring across the skyline at Padme's apartment, or in the fight with Obi-Wan on Mustafar is _amazing._ Say what you will about the Disney shows but Hayden _kills it_ as Anakin and Vader in them, and if nothing else, I'm glad they exist so he could finally get the credit he deserves.
Dude, AOTC is just straight-up horrendous. Personally, I would give TPM meh, but just barely, even though it's the best of the prequels imo. I would also bump ROTS down to meh as well, it's really not that good but it's at least better than AOTC. TFA should get meh and Rogue One should get good as well.
Your beloved Original Trilogy has the same flaws as hated prequels.
Lol, alright. You gonna explain literally at all?
@@josephchaney4964 Its even worse then prequels. Outdated effects, simplistic story, inconsistency between movies, small scale battles, flat characters.
@aresnir2725 The effects of the OT held up for much longer than the effects of the prequels before starting to become outdated. That's just the unfortunate reality of over-relying on CGI.
The "simplistic" story works for the OT because it's able to tell the whole tale properly throughout the 3 films, unlike the prequels which had to shove 4+ movies worth of story into 3 films, leaving the end product being rushed and partially incohesive, especially considering the ends and beginnings of each movie (ex. Palpatine is somehow captured offscreen, but was perfectly fine at the end of AOTC).
Who cares about the scale of the battles if they are able to tell the story well enough. Most of the battles in AOTC and ROTS are either unnecessary or just generic but 10x scale, which means nothing if they do nothing for the story. An example of this is Kashyyyk being 100% irrelevant and only there for action's sake so the audience doesn't get bored otherwise. Every battle in the OT was not only unique, but had meaning and properly served the story so they were great.
The OT created the archetypes of the types of characters we see in media today. Luke is the farm boy who is destined to become a hero, defying what others tell him about his father and gives himself up to try to save him because of his strong heart. Han is the scoundrel who grows a heart of gold. Leia is the princess who loses everything she has, learns to trust other people who seem untrustworthy otherwise, and is willing to fight until the end (she literally kills Jabba the Hutt and personally volunteers to go to Endor). Characters like Darth Vader, Obi-Wan, Yoda, etc. also have their own nuances so they aren't flat at all. In the prequels, Padme is nothing but a romantic plot device after TPM. Anakin is the most complex but the writing for him wasn't done well so he just comes across as the whiny teenager who doesn't get what he wants. Obi-Wan is basically a nobody in TPM, a grumpy mentor in AOTC who is only involved because the plot requires a character to follow, and is the same character (only less grumpy) for the first half of ROTS before order 66. Qui-Gon is the one good character but is killed off in the first movie and is made seemingly irrelevant to everyone for the rest of the saga other than in 2 minor scenes. Everyone on the jedi council is just soulless and just repeats everything they say. It also helps that everyone in the OT is 100x more likable than anyone in the prequels.
TLDR: The OT blows the prequels out of the water.
@@aresnir2725 Hot take! I'd say everything you listed is either objectively incorrect or doesn't even qualify as a critique. But, hey, to each their own. :P
@@SpaZNinjA18 Couldn't agree more! :)
Well your problem is that you think the sequels are part of it and actually canon when it’s not and niether is rogue one. Problem solved. The rest are great
I probably didn't make this clear enough in my video, but, no, I actually don't consider the sequels parts of it. I see everything Disney has created (aside from CW S7 because it was a carryover) as fan-fiction. I just felt it was still important to address them in the video because they are still very much a real problem in the franchise.
And, as for the quality of the original six, agree to disagree, lol :P