The skip is several magnitudes harder on console due to having to skip encounters, which involves leaving Kalm on a specific in game time (it can be different ones but you need to know which one you're on) and using a document of values to determine where menus can skip encounters. The "count" is a number we use to determine where we are and make adjustments where needed to get pause setups that are humanly viable. You can watch an entire challenge playthrough with this skip here: ua-cam.com/play/PLyotyCGt7oYCGjmSFG9Lto3IFuE8Om-Kf.html
Great job! Nice to know that Aer can get all the way to final boss Sephy from your current save. A little vindication for everyone who wished it was possible back in the day.
I admire your dedication to the love of this franchise. Just remember that you will always be known as the guy who brought the best girl back to life. Godspeed bro
It's always been possible on the PS1 to add Aeris back to the party or skipping her death using the debug menu without a gameshark. This video is more for pulling off viable speed runs with Aeris left in the party.
@@xavierninetwofourfiveone6901 Yeah, but you wouldn't necessarily have to do it at such a low level. If you're just playing the game normally and don't want to breed chocobos, it could be a good skip.
The island is probably too far away, and/or would take 20+ cycles. You'd also have no way of getting back off once you get the materia, unless a way was discovered to bring the bugged chocobo somehow. Even then, again once exiting the cave, the island would be far too small to reset the glitch. Tl;dr not without more discoveries
@@callmeshaggy5166 good points! Could be a funny troll save. "Hey load up my game where I have KOTR early!" -Loads it up and Cloud's just stuck on the island.
sorry for being late with this comment about reviving aerith with the yuffie warping glitch, but you mentioned the pc version or steam version but i was wondering since i read it on another website that what you explained works on mobile too... do you know if this is true? i mean i downloaded it from the playstore and if it works it is 100% worth playing again... Sorry for posting it on this video but i figured it would be more likely for you to respond in this video that in a video that is 4 or 5 months old.
I'm not very technical when it comes to this kind of thing, but why do the specific movements matter when part way through, the dude says 'it doesn't really matter where you stop...' ?
Certain movements (a lot of them) are pixel perfect, whereas others you just need to go a certain distance to aid in deloading the triangles of the world map.
I’m pretty sure they normally know the end goal, and work their way backwards from there. I prefer the idea that they just sit every evening doing random 💩 until they find something by accident 😂
These kinds of setups are only possible through extensive knowledge of the game's inner workings and the exact properties of the map, often times however, people also get ideas from sheer curiosity. For example, say there's a super tight gap between 2 pieces of collision that someone found while studying the exact geometry of an area's map, then, people could start hunting for ways to squeeze your character through said gap, which is usually where these elaborate setups come from, usually with a helping of understanding how the game's code handles collisions and all that in order to line everything up exactly to make your way through. This is why such setups are usually only in games that have been extensively studied and broken down (like FF7, older mario games, most popular NES games, etc); the level of knowledge required to not only discover such oddities but also create setups to consistently exploit them is immensely high.
It has already been done, but only in one run. It will more than likely be viable for all top level runs but the category will also more than likely be split since it skips so much of the game, and FFVII is such a long standing speedrun with a lot of history.
Most of this stuff has been discovered because ff7 code is open source. That's why so many different mods that can affect deep parts of the code can be made by fans.
@@christopher48778 And skips like Kalm Skip and CC Skip don’t ruin the run? Only because it’s new, speedrunners will find ways to route it in and find ways to overcome the new challenges the Disk 1 Skip provides
I'll be using this skip to do a playthrough of the game where I take Aerith all of the way to Safer Sephiroth. In other words, just for fun. Speedrunners will use this skip in a specific category of the game but the original run of the (mostly) entire game will most likely stay intact. Also this just being possible in the first place on the same version we all played as kids is neat so that is reason enough
@@4-8Productions Speed running. Isn't that going through the game quickly? This, however, is just, missing out great chunks of the game. Why not just play the intro, and then the credits, and say, how quickly one played through the game.
@@fritzdrybeam So, you are one of those people. Someone that doesn't understand that what speedrunning is, you must also dislike both Kalm skip and CC skip as well.
@@fritzdrybeam There are various categories. What you'd be looking for is 100% no glitches or skips. It's a competition. They're not playing the game, they're playing the competition.
@DarkFlameVee so... one of those people that thinks speed running means actually playing the game? The glitches are cool and interesting. However saying that the game was sped through is a lie.
The skip is several magnitudes harder on console due to having to skip encounters, which involves leaving Kalm on a specific in game time (it can be different ones but you need to know which one you're on) and using a document of values to determine where menus can skip encounters. The "count" is a number we use to determine where we are and make adjustments where needed to get pause setups that are humanly viable.
You can watch an entire challenge playthrough with this skip here: ua-cam.com/play/PLyotyCGt7oYCGjmSFG9Lto3IFuE8Om-Kf.html
this game just keeps on giving, it's amazing
I wish I could go back in time to play this again for the first time
That chocobo must be so confused. “Hey, would you stay there just a minute?”
Its rider then proceeds to jump off a cliff.
Jumps off a cliff, and swims across the ocean. Just to return much later and ride some more.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Great job! Nice to know that Aer can get all the way to final boss Sephy from your current save. A little vindication for everyone who wished it was possible back in the day.
This is such an insane arcane process. It's incredible to me that people can figure these things out.
I swear man OG FF7 is the best game ever, even the bugs and glitches are amazing.
Now i'm curious to know how ppl will speedrun it.
The video playing in the background fucked with my head for a good portion of this video, not going to lie. 🤣💀
Alternate Title: How to pull your hair out in 30 minutes.
I love how you stuck with ps1 version all that years you're awesome dude greeetings for ya from far away Poland :D FF VII forerver!
I admire your dedication to the love of this franchise.
Just remember that you will always be known as the guy who brought the best girl back to life.
Godspeed bro
It's always been possible on the PS1 to add Aeris back to the party or skipping her death using the debug menu without a gameshark. This video is more for pulling off viable speed runs with Aeris left in the party.
@darrylshields6148 okay
I could watch this all day!
Exactly one video ago: "You can't do it on PS1 because of random encounters"
If I still had my PS1 connected, I would've gave this a whirl myself. So glad you got this and I'm excited for the run!
I just feel proud of myself for figuring out what the "fish" is on my own from the background video's audio. Congratulations, me!
I'm looking forward to a new GDQ of this game. Ajneb174's run is easily my most favorite 8 hour YT video.
At the end you said, so glad you found this console seed. What did you do to discover the different seeding routes?
boom it has been done, great job son
Can you use this to get Aerith to the forgotten city and actually read the messages/crystals that say they are only for the ancients?
Waaay too complicated for me, but congrats on pulling it off!
Ff7: Kai
Can this trick be used to get Knights of the Round for those that aren't speed running or wanting to skip?
Would be awesome if it turns out you can. But id assume at such low levels youd also need some MP+
@@xavierninetwofourfiveone6901 Yeah, but you wouldn't necessarily have to do it at such a low level. If you're just playing the game normally and don't want to breed chocobos, it could be a good skip.
@@TheKyfe yeah i suppose you could wait til later, like Golden Saucer to do this & get the KOTR.
The island is probably too far away, and/or would take 20+ cycles. You'd also have no way of getting back off once you get the materia, unless a way was discovered to bring the bugged chocobo somehow. Even then, again once exiting the cave, the island would be far too small to reset the glitch.
Tl;dr not without more discoveries
@@callmeshaggy5166 good points! Could be a funny troll save. "Hey load up my game where I have KOTR early!" -Loads it up and Cloud's just stuck on the island.
Nice one death!!! 🎉🎉
This is wild asf for real.
sorry for being late with this comment about reviving aerith with the yuffie warping glitch, but you mentioned the pc version or steam version but i was wondering since i read it on another website that what you explained works on mobile too... do you know if this is true?
i mean i downloaded it from the playstore and if it works it is 100% worth playing again...
Sorry for posting it on this video but i figured it would be more likely for you to respond in this video that in a video that is 4 or 5 months old.
Nobody has thoroughly tested it yet, I'll update when somebody/I do.
What happens if you instead go to icicle inn? Maybe do a disk swap later somehow?
This is pretty neat.
No disc shenanigans 0 out of 10 😂, no but seriously thank you for the great video.
I'm not very technical when it comes to this kind of thing, but why do the specific movements matter when part way through, the dude says 'it doesn't really matter where you stop...' ?
Certain movements (a lot of them) are pixel perfect, whereas others you just need to go a certain distance to aid in deloading the triangles of the world map.
Do you never get Cait Sith and Cid then, or are they just placed into your later?
@zuliusbazworth8627 like how skipping Sector 8 puts Aerith in your party automatically, it probably fills out your team, minus Yuffie and Vincent
It would almost certainly load up the rest of the party once you change disks very soon afterwards. Per Yuffie warping diamond weapon shenanigans.
That kid who said he found a way to skip disk one at recess and we never believed him rn: 😡😡😡😡🤬😤
Wild.
Great!
Well that looks incredibly complex. Hopefully someone can find a way to simplify it.
This is wild! Now learn it for the speed run 😂😂😂😂
How do people figure out these super obscure movements and positioning!???
I’m pretty sure they normally know the end goal, and work their way backwards from there. I prefer the idea that they just sit every evening doing random 💩 until they find something by accident 😂
These kinds of setups are only possible through extensive knowledge of the game's inner workings and the exact properties of the map, often times however, people also get ideas from sheer curiosity.
For example, say there's a super tight gap between 2 pieces of collision that someone found while studying the exact geometry of an area's map, then, people could start hunting for ways to squeeze your character through said gap, which is usually where these elaborate setups come from, usually with a helping of understanding how the game's code handles collisions and all that in order to line everything up exactly to make your way through. This is why such setups are usually only in games that have been extensively studied and broken down (like FF7, older mario games, most popular NES games, etc); the level of knowledge required to not only discover such oddities but also create setups to consistently exploit them is immensely high.
Do we ever see this being viable for speed running on console?
It has already been done, but only in one run. It will more than likely be viable for all top level runs but the category will also more than likely be split since it skips so much of the game, and FFVII is such a long standing speedrun with a lot of history.
Relevant xkcd 299 became reality
also GG, nicely done
one things for sure. we for sure aint going to be finding stuff like this 20 years later on the Rebirth series. OG still the goat.
Most of this stuff has been discovered because ff7 code is open source. That's why so many different mods that can affect deep parts of the code can be made by fans.
🎉
Is this on the ps1 version
@@NPL4LE yup. PS1 version on the PS1
@TheKyfe ok just wanted to know
I swear one of these days hes gonna showcase how to create a wormhole IRL with the ff7 code 🤣
At this point it's probably possible
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let's all collectively ignore disc 1 skip.
@@christopher48778 let’s not
@@DarkFlameVee disc 1 skip is whack; It ruins the run
@@christopher48778 And skips like Kalm Skip and CC Skip don’t ruin the run?
Only because it’s new, speedrunners will find ways to route it in and find ways to overcome the new challenges the Disk 1 Skip provides
Why?
I'll be using this skip to do a playthrough of the game where I take Aerith all of the way to Safer Sephiroth. In other words, just for fun. Speedrunners will use this skip in a specific category of the game but the original run of the (mostly) entire game will most likely stay intact. Also this just being possible in the first place on the same version we all played as kids is neat so that is reason enough
@@4-8Productions Speed running.
Isn't that going through the game quickly?
This, however, is just, missing out great chunks of the game.
Why not just play the intro, and then the credits, and say, how quickly one played through the game.
@@fritzdrybeam So, you are one of those people. Someone that doesn't understand that what speedrunning is, you must also dislike both Kalm skip and CC skip as well.
@@fritzdrybeam There are various categories. What you'd be looking for is 100% no glitches or skips. It's a competition. They're not playing the game, they're playing the competition.
@DarkFlameVee so... one of those people that thinks speed running means actually playing the game? The glitches are cool and interesting. However saying that the game was sped through is a lie.