@Brian first console to include a modem. I believe first console to have 4 controller ports standard. First console to have controllers with screens in them (VMUs). Might be first console to feature native VGA output. First 128-bit console. Pioneered Home Console online play, especially with Phantasy Star Online. One of the first home consoles with hardware that actually outperformed it's original arcade counterparts (Soul Caliber). I could go on and on
@WETDREAM Dreamcast is obviously more underrated. It's the least sold system in the 6th generation selling no more than 9 million units & that was mainly due to Sega's poor marketing & the PS2 being on the rise. Hell, the Dreamcast was already discontinued when the Game Cube arrived.
Not true. Some of the most expensive and highly rated games that gen were Dreamcast exclusive or played better on Dreamcast then the competition. Look at these games: Soul Calibur, Shenmue, marvel vs Capcom 2, Capcom vs snk, street fighter 3rd strike, powerstone, sonic adventure 1&2, phantasy star, jet grind radio, ready 2 rumble boxing, ikaruga, REZ, Cosmic Smash, nfl 2k series, NBA 2k series, nhl 2k series, skies or arcadia, grandia 2, head hunter, zombie revenge, cannon spike, Mars matrix, RE: Code Veronica, Dead or Alive 2, Virtua fighter 3, hydro thunder, house of the dead 2, rainbow cotton, ecco the dolphin. There's so much more.
They're definitely not a failed company. Sure they didn't make consoles for a while and went to just making games, they're still well known to this day. Especially with Sonic, Yakuza, Super Monkey Ball, Shenmue 3, Panzer Dragoon, the Mega Drive Mini, and the Sonic Movie too!
I was always a Sega Fanboy but seeing what they have done to sonic franchise it makes me so sad. My first gaming console was sega genesis, playing countless hours of Sonic the Hedgehog 3, finding all 7 chaos emeralds keeping and thinking "How to make Supersonic" those days were gold. you guys can also check my YT channel and support me or advice me to make it better
World of warcraft is the only Blizzard game I've ever played and that was over 10 years ago, but I've always respected their position in the gaming industry. Do you mind explaining what happened? Im out of the loop
@@Patty_Brard in short - the fantastic Blizzard of old is dead. After merger with Activision they have ruined it. Check metacritic for Warcraft Reforged, nuff said.
Patty Brard Diablo Immortal, HotS esport cancellation, Hearthstone is slowly dying, Overwatch league has bad management, and now the recent Warcraft Reforged with bad developing. This make people fear for the future of overwatch 2 and diablo 4
I love how the Nintendo rep said “ never will Nintendo have night trap on a Nintendo console “ And now limited run is making low prints of it for the switch lmao
Sonic the Hedgehog, Panzer Dragoon, Phantasy Star, and Bayonetta are some of my favorite Sega franchises. If you count Atlus too, it’s Megami Tensei/Persona as well. Sega is great at making video games with an arcade experience.
I remember getting the Genesis when it came out. I was about 12 and we were blown away by its 16 bit graphics and the new style controller. Loved it. Also had the game gear. It was color and blew away game boy. Good memories. Shinobi... Awesome game
Nintendo's a fascinating example of a company that's been able to continuously compete in a winner take all market via the strength of their IP. Games like Mario Bros and Zelda have such large pull that they can bring users to their often inferior platforms (though in the current generation the Switch's portability is a powerful differentiator). I think Nintendo is the success story while SEGA is the cautionary tale. Sega's IP just wasn't powerful enough to bring users to the Saturn and Dreamcast. If Sega could've developed a larger variety of successful properties and avoided some of their infamous missteps, we all might be playing a new age version of the Sega Nomad today instead of the Switch! 🎮👾
Applico Easier said than done though. Sega assumed its Dreamcast lineup would rival Nintendo, but they mostly either ended up being cult classics, hidden gems, or completely obscure.
@@hitbybricks Very true, it's not as easy as just telling the devs to go create the next Zelda. With that said, they probably could've redirected some of the bandwidth used up on the obscure stuff like Seaman.
I agree with you but those idiots at Sega didn't bring any of their powerful IPs to the Saturn. No Sonic game, no golden axe or streets of rage, not even a Ecco the Dolphin sequel. They showed to a ball game without their starting line up.
@@anthony77343 Yeah they definitely dropped the ball w/ bringing first party IP to the Saturn and the console being notoriously difficult to develop on didn't help with other publishers bringing their own big names to the console.
@@eli3197 It did a little but Sega was still in a position to charge more than Sony as Sony where the underdog had it not been for the botched Saturn launch coming earlier than expected with no solid titles and no Mega Drive backwards compatible the $100 price difference wouldn't have made much difference.
bullshit. sega had an internal memory with the capacity of multiple playsation memory cards. one playstation memory card was at least 70$. Do the math. People were just stupid back in the days. As they are still...^^
Sega didn't have financial power to create with Sony and Microsoft, so it did the smart thing and got out of the hardware business and into the software business.
Nintendo doesn't either, both the other two are so massive, the video game side of their business pales in comparison. Nintendo only survives off their own IP. Mario and Zelda are not only two of the biggest ones, but have also branched off into subfranchises- especially Mario. Now, Nintendo has such a niche that its "worst" selling system can still achieve nearly 14 million hardware sales! Sega wasn't even able to crack 10 million with either the Saturn or Dreamcast (actual validated sources, not estimates, now put them around 9 million each).
Nick C it did flop hard though. The Wii dominated because of the casual market but by the time the Wii U came out that market had moved to smart phones. To make things worse, during the Wii’s lifetime Nintendo all but abandoned their hardcore fans so when the Wii U came out with all the motion control garbage of its predecessor and the same gimmicky crap all the fans saw was another underpowered, behind the curve platform that Nintendo would fill with shovelware garbage.
The one thing that would have saved Dreamcast was the inclusion of a DVD drive. This was the main selling point for the PS2, and the reason people were willing to wait one more year.
But, Sega was already selling Dreamcast at a loss with the CD drive, they add DVD, and it'll cost them even more to produce each unit. They needed not only a DVD drive, but also the ability to play DVD's, and use Sony's strategy of losing money on each hardware unit to recoup that on software. Sega's 3rd party loss was what did them in, they couldn't survive on their own IP like Nintendo could, because Nintendo had a longer head start meaning more franchises, and more subfranchises.
@@jackson5116 Dreamcast actually didn't use a CD rom but a GD rom. And yeah, it would cost them a lot of money to swap to DVD. But on the flipside, the entire company almost went bankrupt, so anything would have been better than that.
@Diabeto Kills No. Xbox is proof that the DVD drive was very important. If Dreamcast had that, Sega would be able to have their share of the market, Sony would of course always be bigger, but as long as you can hold on to 20-30%, you are doing fine.
@@jackson5116 They only started selling the Dreamcast at a loss once they dropped the price to $149 to have any chance of selling the Dreamcast with DVD playback they would have had to delay it a year to a simultaneous worldwide release in fall 1999 rather than 98 in Japan. Then up the ram to 24MB up the cpu to 233mhz and sell it for $399 but I think that would have been too expensive for many and $299 would have sold it at a significant loss.
I don’t think a DVD Drive would help. A Sega console is about games. They target gamers not filthy casuals. Nintendo consoles never had a DVD and did ok. Using it to play movies was not that great. The video output wasn’t good either. A DVD player was very thin and under $50 by 2002.
You have left out several important parts of their fall. The 32x was released right before the SEGA Saturn which was very stupid to do as they competed with themselves. Then they abandoned the Saturn while it was still in its prime lifecycle in order to focus on the Dreamcast, which wasn't even out yet. These decisions caused their fall as much as anything else, why wasn't any of this mentioned in this video?
Abandoning the Saturn wasn't actually a mistake. The Saturn was already dying, after a disastrous abrupt launch, the *real* reason Sega lost its edge. Plus, with the 64-bit Nintendo 64 on the market, there was nothing more Sega could do except focus on the Dreamcast. The 32X-- All Sega lost was money and some consumers. The Saturn-- They lost money, a lot more consumers than they did with the 32X, and a lot of third-party support.
1:09 no, it wasn't. The Master System in Europe was actually pretty even with the NES. The NES never had the dominance in Europe it saw in America or Japan.
I love Sega. I miss them as a console creator. Sega had great games. I just don't think they should have gave up on systems. So what Dreamcast didn't do that great. It's so much technology out here now you can creep back up and steal the crown from Xbox and PlayStation. I'm a die hard Sega and PlayStation fan but I guess it's just my dream for you guys to create a new console. Wishful thinking....
micah r It’s expensive to create hardware, and with numerous hardware failures with the Genesis add-ons and the Dreamcast, Sega couldn’t afford to risk another hardware failure.
That's true. I wish I was able to invest in a new project. I know that make a lot of money money off of there sports games every year that can put into a new console. It's just a idea
Sega is still one of the best video game companies in the world and I would say Atari also at one point was one of the world's best video game companies like Nintendo. Sega and Atari could both come back by joining forces with Nintendo in their next console along with making more games for them, so it would give Sony and Microsoft some interesting competition after the PS5 and XBOX Series X and S come out later this year.
More research was needed saying the Dreamcast only sold 3 million units in the United States from 1998-2001 despite the fact the Dreamcast didn’t come out till the end of 1999 in the US.
I’d like to add at one point in 1995 Sega had six divisions they were running. The Genesis was the bread and butter. The Sega CD and 32X we’re both subpar as Sega was diverting resources to support them. That’s why their games weren’t as fondly remembered. They were stop gap measures meant to tide players over until the new 32 bit consoles were released. The Game Gear was a moderate success but no match to the Game Boy Colour. The Sega Saturn was the new kid on the block and needed more money and programmers. That took up a large portion of their financial resources. It was the company’s future. All of those except the Genesis were behind in sales to Nintendo. The last and only division not competing with Nintendo was Sega’s arcade division. Sega had trouble focusing on where and how to spend money in which division. Gamers like me remember that time as schizophrenic for Sega. By the time the Dreamcast arrived players were burnt by the 32X and Sega CD. Followed by the botched marketing and high cost of the Saturn. Combined that with the strong showing of the PlayStation and how polished Nintendo games were it was a knockout punch for Sega.
Hey, Manny Fidel! 1990 called, and he wants his high top fade back! Sega was the first console I bought with my first paycheck from my first job in 1989. Sega Genesis was not the first Sega console in the US...it was the Master System (which is not shown in this video). The Sega Master System included control pads, 3-D glasses, a blaster, and a copy of Missile Defense 3-D. The console also had a hidden maze game that was accessible by pressing the controller buttons in a particular sequence. In 1994, I bought the Sega Genesis, and (eventually) the CD attachment. I owned a few of the CD titles, but I mostly bought the cartridges. I was a big fan of Sega, but (overtime) I realized gaming consoles were a waste of money, and not as practical (or powerful) as PC gaming. I give this video a like because it's about Sega, although Business Insider missed some details. I like Company Man better anyway. He is far more thorough when discussing the rise and fall of businesses.
In total, after 2001 the Dreamcast sold over 5,000,000 units in the after market (10,000,000 in total). It sucks, if that happened any earlier things would've been different
Nintendo: I want to state that Night Trap will NEVER appear on a Nintendo system. Nintendo in 2017, after releasing Night Trap for Switch: Well we just betrayed ourselves.
Dreamcast also had a different issue in Japan. Stock shortages for its early launch period. This early rush launch was intended to curve the momentum of PlayStation and later the PS2 and to get as many Dreamcasts out in the public, a lesson Sega learned during the Saturn and N64 Era where they realized they outsold the N64 (which came to the scene a year late) so the stock shortage and the fact that PS 2 launched with more stock alongside affordable DVD replay ability really was a blow to the Dreamcast.
Honestly, it really hurts me that Sega made such critically poor decisions... (though I'm surprised you guys didn't talk about the various disagreements Sega of America and Japan had with each other.) Like, I still wonder how things would have been if Sega actually made the right decisions at the right time. Especially with those Genesis add-ons. No one talks about the 32x, for good reason as well. I hope SEGA would learn how to manage success and maintain it. When I was only 4 or 5 years old, my dad bought me the Playstation 2, Sonic Mega Collection, and two other games (Scooby-Doo: First Frights and Spiderman 2). About a year after, I got Sonic Heroes. I loved that game *so* much. The story was fascinating and exciting, the gameplay was decent and intimidating at points. (But the special stages were ridiculously difficult.) Then, when I was 8, I got Sonic Colors. I loved that game as well. (Somehow, "Speak with Your Heart" made me cry. Maybe because it was the credits?) Ever since then, I haven't bought a single one of Sonic's 3D outings. (I would watch playthroughs frequently though!) Sonic Mania and Sonic Generations are amazing and basically phenomenal. However, I still am a Sonic fan, but his games aren't as.. consistently high-quality as of now. I've seen way too many missed opportunities as of late, particularly Sonic Forces and Lost World. I do enjoy his mobile adventures, but I don't play them often. Honestly, I long for another breakout moment for SEGA and especially Sonic. I just want my favorite blue blur to be successful and stay that way. I'll keep optimism because I'm sure something great will *eventually* come. I'm looking at you, Sonic Movie. We'll just have to hope SEGA learns from their mistakes. *Big time.* Thank you all for reading this -essay- long comment! Have a great day!
The Dreamcast library massive if you look at the Japanese import market, there were so many great games in the Japanese market North America missed out on. By the time the Dreamcast officially went under in North America, the Dreamcast in Japan survived just a bit longer before going under in the end of it's lifespan.
When the arcades started to disappear Sega's fortunes fell drastically they where the arcade masters nobody came close to their unique wholly original vision some games where better than others but most where exquisite.
You missed the 32X add on for the genesis. I for one regretted buying a Sega CD as it never delivered on it's promises. The rushed out Saturn upset a lot of retailers who didn't get any at launch and then refused to stock it. Game developers also found it difficult to program. Piracy didn't do the Dreamcast any favours as it didn't need any modification to run copied games.
Watching this make me very grateful that Nintendo is still here fighting in the console business despite their ups and down in the game industry since the 70s. So many have tried and failed yet Nintendo is still thriving against sony ps, PC gaming, Microsoft XBox, mobile gaming and now cloud gaming. The game industry is benefited so much with Nintendo in it than without and i hope they will still in the business for a long time.
Nintendo always make money. They focus on very young children and family friendly games. Only the WiiU objectively failed (also the Virtual Boy but we don’t talk about that). Nintendo don’t contribute to the industry though. They dominate it. They knocked out all the competition in the handheld market with the Game Boy and Game Boy Colour then released the Game Boy Advance which had no backlight. But they cater to a loyal customer base that appreciate their style of gameplay. But they don’t innovate. The Wii could be considered an innovation but it really only worked with the Wii Sports and Wii Ware titles. No other developer could design around the device?effectively and as a gun it’s too slow to move the reticle to work properly. Nintendo don’t contribute, they dominate and recycle nostalgic ip’s to maintain market share based on familiarity and referencing established franchises from their distant past. I don’t think the world needs another Mario Kart game but it’s gonna get it and every game publication will give it a perfect score.
@@iwanttocomplain haters want Nintendo to die like sega so that they can play Nintendo games on ps or pc. It's really sad cos these haters are ignorant to the history of gaming. Nintendo is pioneer of gaming revolution in the early 80s so yeah they deserve respect but sadly young generation no longer care about Nintendo and their games.
@@iwanttocomplain no problem you do you i like sega too but it's a fact that the company was ruled by bunch of idiots from usa during sega mega cd and 32x era. The failure of nomad saturn dreamcast in global market didn't help too. I hope someday Microsoft bought sega to combat sony monopoly in game industry. sony has won since 1995 and it's becoming boring.
The problem, as far as I know, is that Sega wanted to be able to make and release high-type games on platforms, but they have been missing the spark of light ever since the Sega Saturn and Sega Dreamcast's sales dropped after getting released onto the public, although they tried to fight with Nintendo and Sony in terms of what they both had up to this day and forward, including games like the Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 2 duology of games. The long-lasting extend of this issue was that they been releasing games ever since to consoles like the PS2 and Wii in order to interest the fans of awesome franchises like the Sonic and Sakura Taisen franchises, but with no one buying their games anymore considering there have been games that can take up the gaming industry as well as the fans by surprise based on genres, such as Action and Tactical RPGs, like Mobile Suit Gundam and Super Robot Taisen. Those two franchises are now Japanese to English Subtitled exclusives in Asia for the PS4 and Nintendo Switch in terms of how charming they are in comparison toward those games in the rest of the world mostly rather than them.
i think that a large part of sega's success is heavily related with Japan not allowed to produce Weapon and ammunition after WWII, they had to lift themselves up at that time and thats how they became a technology empire, kind of similar to the German vehicle market for an example.
I really still am a big fan of Sega and Atari both like Nintendo some of the best video game companies in the world. Maybe Sega and Atari should consider teaming up with Nintendo for their next console so they can compete with Sony and Microsoft. Today video game industry is a multi billion dollar business which makes more money then movies along with esports where some video game players become professional gamers and make millions competing against professional video game players. Sega like Atari may not be in the console wars anymore like before but I hope they continue to make games so they can be up there with Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft among the world's elite video game companies today.
Let's not forget about the 32x, as well as Sega of America, and Sega of Japan constantly butting heads, and competing with one another. The animosity within Sega was a huge contributor to its downfall.
But the Sega Saturn's abrupt launch was the top contributor to Sega's downfall in the console market. The others-- If Sega had just waited, they would've bounced back. Tom Kalinske said so himself.
I had the Genesis plus CD 2 plus 32X. I asked Customer Service is any consoles or add-on was expected and was told no and later Dreamcast was released. Pissed, I gave up on Sega, moved to PC games and got a PS2 to play PS1/PS2 titles that are now dirt cheap.
The _console war_ is just silly. People are arguing about plastics and electronics. 🤦♂️ You guys forgot pretty much all of the other add ons for the Genesis. The problem with Sega started when Saturn launched in the the US, only for Sega to admit that they had little faith in the Saturn and that's around the time the DreamCast launched & why the Saturn did so pooly in the US. Anyway, I don't think younger kids will even care about this. Kids today seem only to be about _Fortnite_ (still) and _Minecraft_ mainly; basically games that "influencers" play and stream on Twitch and other social networking sites.
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Best thing when you turned on your segas was the seegaa voice.
Only Sonic 1 had that iconic voice though.
@@aheiiv sonic 1 2 3 and knuckles.... dont know about other games tho
That "Sega" sound still remains iconic to this day.
Yeah once Sega becomes part of Apple then they will call the X-Box The ShitBox.
True
just to hear it it put a smile on my face
Dreamcast was ahead of its time.
💯
Facts
It was actually quite underpowered for it’s time. Only the online play was ahead of it’s time.
@Brian first console to include a modem.
I believe first console to have 4 controller ports standard.
First console to have controllers with screens in them (VMUs).
Might be first console to feature native VGA output.
First 128-bit console.
Pioneered Home Console online play, especially with Phantasy Star Online.
One of the first home consoles with hardware that actually outperformed it's original arcade counterparts (Soul Caliber).
I could go on and on
@@concreteman03 it was only underpowered AFTER the ps2 came out.
Dreamcast was first.
Dreamcast is one of the most underrated systems of all time!
@WETDREAM no it isnt, ik so many people who adore the gamecube not a single person spoke about dreamcast
@WETDREAM Dreamcast is obviously more underrated. It's the least sold system in the 6th generation selling no more than 9 million units & that was mainly due to Sega's poor marketing & the PS2 being on the rise. Hell, the Dreamcast was already discontinued when the Game Cube arrived.
Very true.
@WETDREAM The GameCube too.
Not true. Some of the most expensive and highly rated games that gen were Dreamcast exclusive or played better on Dreamcast then the competition. Look at these games: Soul Calibur, Shenmue, marvel vs Capcom 2, Capcom vs snk, street fighter 3rd strike, powerstone, sonic adventure 1&2, phantasy star, jet grind radio, ready 2 rumble boxing, ikaruga, REZ, Cosmic Smash, nfl 2k series, NBA 2k series, nhl 2k series, skies or arcadia, grandia 2, head hunter, zombie revenge, cannon spike, Mars matrix, RE: Code Veronica, Dead or Alive 2, Virtua fighter 3, hydro thunder, house of the dead 2, rainbow cotton, ecco the dolphin. There's so much more.
They make Yakuza, I don't consider sega a failed company
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Nagoshi is Sega's best bet atm. Iizuka needs to be fired though.
They're definitely not a failed company. Sure they didn't make consoles for a while and went to just making games, they're still well known to this day. Especially with Sonic, Yakuza, Super Monkey Ball, Shenmue 3, Panzer Dragoon, the Mega Drive Mini, and the Sonic Movie too!
@@BingBong-pm6rn that's all first party as well. They own extremely lucrative subsidiaries with titles like Total War, Football Manager and Persona
They’re good at making games but not consoles or sonic games
I was always a Sega Fanboy but seeing what they have done to sonic franchise it makes me so sad. My first gaming console was sega genesis, playing countless hours of Sonic the Hedgehog 3, finding all 7 chaos emeralds keeping and thinking "How to make Supersonic" those days were gold.
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Next- The Rise and Fall of Blizzard
World of warcraft is the only Blizzard game I've ever played and that was over 10 years ago, but I've always respected their position in the gaming industry. Do you mind explaining what happened? Im out of the loop
heroes of the storm is good game.
@@mustipunyaemail you seem to enjoy trash.
@@Patty_Brard in short - the fantastic Blizzard of old is dead. After merger with Activision they have ruined it.
Check metacritic for Warcraft Reforged, nuff said.
Patty Brard Diablo Immortal, HotS esport cancellation, Hearthstone is slowly dying, Overwatch league has bad management, and now the recent Warcraft Reforged with bad developing.
This make people fear for the future of overwatch 2 and diablo 4
RIP dreamcast, you we're ahead of your time.
@2080 what is dreamcast any gaming company
@2080 yes
@2080 yes
@2080 you don't have to correct him/her we already knew Captain obvious
i miss the "seeega" sound (._.)
Play Sonic Mania
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Sega
I wish SEGA still made consoles.
Word has it through the grape vine, they might be considering making a new one.
Same.
They made the Genesis Mini
SilverNick 2006 no atgames did she’s just approved it
@@myristicina. Atgames didn't make the Genesis Mini, SEGA did
I love how the Nintendo rep said “ never will Nintendo have night trap on a Nintendo console “
And now limited run is making low prints of it for the switch lmao
Sonic the Hedgehog, Panzer Dragoon, Phantasy Star, and Bayonetta are some of my favorite Sega franchises. If you count Atlus too, it’s Megami Tensei/Persona as well. Sega is great at making video games with an arcade experience.
Wth is bayonetta a sega franchise?Whats next?Tony Hawks Pro Skater being a sega franchise?
@@coconutgun325well, 2k used to be sega, so...
I remember getting the Genesis when it came out. I was about 12 and we were blown away by its 16 bit graphics and the new style controller. Loved it. Also had the game gear. It was color and blew away game boy. Good memories. Shinobi... Awesome game
Peter Piper to bad the battery life for that thing was horrific.
the size and the battery and cost really killed it
I still have my game gear to this day, great equipment.
Nintendo's a fascinating example of a company that's been able to continuously compete in a winner take all market via the strength of their IP. Games like Mario Bros and Zelda have such large pull that they can bring users to their often inferior platforms (though in the current generation the Switch's portability is a powerful differentiator). I think Nintendo is the success story while SEGA is the cautionary tale. Sega's IP just wasn't powerful enough to bring users to the Saturn and Dreamcast. If Sega could've developed a larger variety of successful properties and avoided some of their infamous missteps, we all might be playing a new age version of the Sega Nomad today instead of the Switch! 🎮👾
Applico Easier said than done though. Sega assumed its Dreamcast lineup would rival Nintendo, but they mostly either ended up being cult classics, hidden gems, or completely obscure.
@@hitbybricks Very true, it's not as easy as just telling the devs to go create the next Zelda. With that said, they probably could've redirected some of the bandwidth used up on the obscure stuff like Seaman.
I agree with you but those idiots at Sega didn't bring any of their powerful IPs to the Saturn. No Sonic game, no golden axe or streets of rage, not even a Ecco the Dolphin sequel. They showed to a ball game without their starting line up.
@@anthony77343 Yeah they definitely dropped the ball w/ bringing first party IP to the Saturn and the console being notoriously difficult to develop on didn't help with other publishers bringing their own big names to the console.
Not having a new Sonic game (the ports don’t count) on the Saturn was such a bizarre move by Sega
Sega died when Sony said ,”299”.
Disagree.
@@wizzgamer but it did hurt them
@@eli3197 It did a little but Sega was still in a position to charge more than Sony as Sony where the underdog had it not been for the botched Saturn launch coming earlier than expected with no solid titles and no Mega Drive backwards compatible the $100 price difference wouldn't have made much difference.
bullshit. sega had an internal memory with the capacity of multiple playsation memory cards. one playstation memory card was at least 70$. Do the math. People were just stupid back in the days. As they are still...^^
@@sikliztailbunch Please remind me of which company is peacefully resting 6 feet under nowadays.
Sega didn't have financial power to create with Sony and Microsoft, so it did the smart thing and got out of the hardware business and into the software business.
Nintendo doesn't either, both the other two are so massive, the video game side of their business pales in comparison. Nintendo only survives off their own IP. Mario and Zelda are not only two of the biggest ones, but have also branched off into subfranchises- especially Mario. Now, Nintendo has such a niche that its "worst" selling system can still achieve nearly 14 million hardware sales! Sega wasn't even able to crack 10 million with either the Saturn or Dreamcast (actual validated sources, not estimates, now put them around 9 million each).
@@jackson5116
The Virtual Boy was Nintendo's worst-selling system (and their BIGGEST mistake ever), not the Wii U. It sold less than 800,000 units.
Nick C it did flop hard though. The Wii dominated because of the casual market but by the time the Wii U came out that market had moved to smart phones. To make things worse, during the Wii’s lifetime Nintendo all but abandoned their hardcore fans so when the Wii U came out with all the motion control garbage of its predecessor and the same gimmicky crap all the fans saw was another underpowered, behind the curve platform that Nintendo would fill with shovelware garbage.
@@CyberNut930
The Wii U wasn't that bad. It was just poorly marketed. Nintendo regained ground with the Switch.
The game pad was different to the Wii mote and way less accessible. Can’t say it was the casual market getting sick of Nintendo.
The one thing that would have saved Dreamcast was the inclusion of a DVD drive. This was the main selling point for the PS2, and the reason people were willing to wait one more year.
But, Sega was already selling Dreamcast at a loss with the CD drive, they add DVD, and it'll cost them even more to produce each unit. They needed not only a DVD drive, but also the ability to play DVD's, and use Sony's strategy of losing money on each hardware unit to recoup that on software. Sega's 3rd party loss was what did them in, they couldn't survive on their own IP like Nintendo could, because Nintendo had a longer head start meaning more franchises, and more subfranchises.
@@jackson5116 Dreamcast actually didn't use a CD rom but a GD rom. And yeah, it would cost them a lot of money to swap to DVD. But on the flipside, the entire company almost went bankrupt, so anything would have been better than that.
@Diabeto Kills No. Xbox is proof that the DVD drive was very important. If Dreamcast had that, Sega would be able to have their share of the market, Sony would of course always be bigger, but as long as you can hold on to 20-30%, you are doing fine.
@@jackson5116 They only started selling the Dreamcast at a loss once they dropped the price to $149 to have any chance of selling the Dreamcast with DVD playback they would have had to delay it a year to a simultaneous worldwide release in fall 1999 rather than 98 in Japan. Then up the ram to 24MB up the cpu to 233mhz and sell it for $399 but I think that would have been too expensive for many and $299 would have sold it at a significant loss.
I don’t think a DVD Drive would help. A Sega console is about games. They target gamers not filthy casuals. Nintendo consoles never had a DVD and did ok. Using it to play movies was not that great. The video output wasn’t good either. A DVD player was very thin and under $50 by 2002.
I would buy immediately a Dreamcast 2020 vers.
Big credits to Sega for being a brilliant contender to Nintendo in the console market. By the way, did Sega design Virtual Cop 2 and virtual fighter?
Virtual fighter at least.
Yes
Yes Sega made all the Virtua series in house.
I remember mid 90s when having a Sega console was a commodity not many had. RIP 🙏🏼😞
I loved the Dreamcast and still own mine today.
Diabeto Kills Venmo me the cash 🙌
Does it still work?
livenandlove1980 Yep, works perfectly.
one of the saddest stories in the videogame business.
At least the console’s of sega will always be remembered in the hearts of gamers.
2:11 “Second Controller sold separately”
Sega Genesis Mini: *_Are you sure about that_*
It's because Sega falls and Nintendon't
why did i even laughed-
Dioooooooooooo!
🤣
What Nintendon't-
Me: *LAUGHS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT*
yeah that is such a good quote i wan't it to come back
I recommend watching the gaming historian for an adequate explanation on this subject matter...
Right? No mention of the 32X or Saturn’s rush onto the market which caused some retailers not to even carry it.
You have left out several important parts of their fall. The 32x was released right before the SEGA Saturn which was very stupid to do as they competed with themselves. Then they abandoned the Saturn while it was still in its prime lifecycle in order to focus on the Dreamcast, which wasn't even out yet.
These decisions caused their fall as much as anything else, why wasn't any of this mentioned in this video?
Abandoning the Saturn wasn't actually a mistake. The Saturn was already dying, after a disastrous abrupt launch, the *real* reason Sega lost its edge. Plus, with the 64-bit Nintendo 64 on the market, there was nothing more Sega could do except focus on the Dreamcast.
The 32X-- All Sega lost was money and some consumers.
The Saturn-- They lost money, a lot more consumers than they did with the 32X, and a lot of third-party support.
"While there's been a ton of rumors of SEGA returning to the console marketing, none of this has been confirmed"
Genesis Mini: ...☹
Astro City Mini - hold my beer
I miss Sega I remember playing Sonic♥️ Mortal Kombat would freak me out sometimes tho lol
It pisses me off that they tell the story like them master system didn’t exist and the genesis/mega drive was their first console in the west.
I think it's because the Sega Master System was not popular in America compared to the NES
1:09 no, it wasn't. The Master System in Europe was actually pretty even with the NES. The NES never had the dominance in Europe it saw in America or Japan.
Life was so much better when SEGA was alive and well
I bought the Dreamcast on launch day. I loved it. It's a shame it wasn't more successful.
0:52 didn’t know Jim Halpert was a sega fan
Probably wasn't a lot of the 'facts' in this video are wrong.
I love Sega. I miss them as a console creator. Sega had great games. I just don't think they should have gave up on systems. So what Dreamcast didn't do that great. It's so much technology out here now you can creep back up and steal the crown from Xbox and PlayStation. I'm a die hard Sega and PlayStation fan but I guess it's just my dream for you guys to create a new console. Wishful thinking....
micah r It’s expensive to create hardware, and with numerous hardware failures with the Genesis add-ons and the Dreamcast, Sega couldn’t afford to risk another hardware failure.
That's true. I wish I was able to invest in a new project. I know that make a lot of money money off of there sports games every year that can put into a new console. It's just a idea
Fall? Sega has never fallen, maybe tripped a little but not fallen
Sega is still one of the best video game companies in the world and I would say Atari also at one point was one of the world's best video game companies like Nintendo. Sega and Atari could both come back by joining forces with Nintendo in their next console along with making more games for them, so it would give Sony and Microsoft some interesting competition after the PS5 and XBOX Series X and S come out later this year.
I'm Sega fan & my know kid loves sonic the Dreamcast was a legend I wish they would comeback but Sony still the boss so I don't know what would happen
More research was needed saying the Dreamcast only sold 3 million units in the United States from 1998-2001 despite the fact the Dreamcast didn’t come out till the end of 1999 in the US.
Sega kind of did technically come back to hardware with the phenomenal Sega Genesis mini last year
$299.... *drops the mic*
To sum up sega's downfall
Sega of america: has a cool idea
Sega of japan: nope
*The Genesis and Sega CD will always be my most nostalgic consoles.* Sega for life.
Where did you get your sales figures? The Dreamcast didn’t sell well at all, but you only have it at about 1/3 of its actual sales.
It's a shitty video indeed
I’d like to add at one point in 1995 Sega had six divisions they were running. The Genesis was the bread and butter. The Sega CD and 32X we’re both subpar as Sega was diverting resources to support them. That’s why their games weren’t as fondly remembered. They were stop gap measures meant to tide players over until the new 32 bit consoles were released. The Game Gear was a moderate success but no match to the Game Boy Colour. The Sega Saturn was the new kid on the block and needed more money and programmers. That took up a large portion of their financial resources. It was the company’s future. All of those except the Genesis were behind in sales to Nintendo. The last and only division not competing with Nintendo was Sega’s arcade division. Sega had trouble focusing on where and how to spend money in which division. Gamers like me remember that time as schizophrenic for Sega. By the time the Dreamcast arrived players were burnt by the 32X and Sega CD. Followed by the botched marketing and high cost of the Saturn. Combined that with the strong showing of the PlayStation and how polished Nintendo games were it was a knockout punch for Sega.
Best video ever, I had a saga Dreamcast when I was a kid and LOVED it so much!
Dreamcast was released 9/9/1999
Todd Caesar earlier in japan
Hey, Manny Fidel! 1990 called, and he wants his high top fade back!
Sega was the first console I bought with my first paycheck from my first job in 1989. Sega Genesis was not the first Sega console in the US...it was the Master System (which is not shown in this video). The Sega Master System included control pads, 3-D glasses, a blaster, and a copy of Missile Defense 3-D. The console also had a hidden maze game that was accessible by pressing the controller buttons in a particular sequence. In 1994, I bought the Sega Genesis, and (eventually) the CD attachment. I owned a few of the CD titles, but I mostly bought the cartridges. I was a big fan of Sega, but (overtime) I realized gaming consoles were a waste of money, and not as practical (or powerful) as PC gaming. I give this video a like because it's about Sega, although Business Insider missed some details. I like Company Man better anyway. He is far more thorough when discussing the rise and fall of businesses.
In total, after 2001 the Dreamcast sold over 5,000,000 units in the after market (10,000,000 in total). It sucks, if that happened any earlier things would've been different
Nintendo in 1990s: we don’t want Night Trap on our console!
Nintendo in 2010s: ok lets put Night Trap on our console!
Nintendo: I want to state that Night Trap will NEVER appear on a Nintendo system.
Nintendo in 2017, after releasing Night Trap for Switch: Well we just betrayed ourselves.
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Sega remains the best ever gaming console. It made my childhood so much memorable.
Muhammad Daniyal Rashid I believe SEGA is the company, not the console.
LOL and my tard is the best ever.
Loser sega was shit in console that's why they stop making them.
“Segaa” is so iconic. Also the Dreamcast is so underrated, if it released later then it did, we might’ve seen Sega consoles today.
Just did a rise and fall of Sega in my vlog last month! Some of the facts here was also mentioned there. Although its in the Tagalog language. :p
Dreamcast also had a different issue in Japan. Stock shortages for its early launch period. This early rush launch was intended to curve the momentum of PlayStation and later the PS2 and to get as many Dreamcasts out in the public, a lesson Sega learned during the Saturn and N64 Era where they realized they outsold the N64 (which came to the scene a year late) so the stock shortage and the fact that PS 2 launched with more stock alongside affordable DVD replay ability really was a blow to the Dreamcast.
Honestly, it really hurts me that Sega made such critically poor decisions... (though I'm surprised you guys didn't talk about the various disagreements Sega of America and Japan had with each other.)
Like, I still wonder how things would have been if Sega actually made the right decisions at the right time. Especially with those Genesis add-ons. No one talks about the 32x, for good reason as well. I hope SEGA would learn how to manage success and maintain it.
When I was only 4 or 5 years old, my dad bought me the Playstation 2, Sonic Mega Collection, and two other games (Scooby-Doo: First Frights and Spiderman 2). About a year after, I got Sonic Heroes. I loved that game *so* much. The story was fascinating and exciting, the gameplay was decent and intimidating at points. (But the special stages were ridiculously difficult.)
Then, when I was 8, I got Sonic Colors. I loved that game as well. (Somehow, "Speak with Your Heart" made me cry. Maybe because it was the credits?)
Ever since then, I haven't bought a single one of Sonic's 3D outings. (I would watch playthroughs frequently though!) Sonic Mania and Sonic Generations are amazing and basically phenomenal. However, I still am a Sonic fan, but his games aren't as.. consistently high-quality as of now. I've seen way too many missed opportunities as of late, particularly Sonic Forces and Lost World. I do enjoy his mobile adventures, but I don't play them often. Honestly, I long for another breakout moment for SEGA and especially Sonic. I just want my favorite blue blur to be successful and stay that way. I'll keep optimism because I'm sure something great will *eventually* come. I'm looking at you, Sonic Movie. We'll just have to hope SEGA learns from their mistakes. *Big time.*
Thank you all for reading this -essay- long comment! Have a great day!
Good video! But you missed the mistakes that sega of america did with the 32X and the (early) prevention of RPGs on the Saturn.
Why are they treating Sega like a dead, no come back company.
A good thing to turned on and when it plays Sonic, it was "Seega" sound though.
The intro with Michael Jackson was quite weird and completely unrelated.
All things 1988 sounds pretty related to me.
@okonomiyakibancho so thats how they are related
And totally inappropriate... nobody wants to see/discuss him anymore
New 2020 Sonic: Am I a joke to you?
What’s the host even born yet when Sega failed? Damn I’m feeling old
This is explained the way it is because kids born in 2001 (the same year Sega became a third party company) are now 19 years old.
The Dreamcast library massive if you look at the Japanese import market, there were so many great games in the Japanese market North America missed out on. By the time the Dreamcast officially went under in North America, the Dreamcast in Japan survived just a bit longer before going under in the end of it's lifespan.
For me the Sega mega drive is the best and sonic the hedgehog 👍
Weird fact Sega made pinball machines at one point.
When the arcades started to disappear Sega's fortunes fell drastically they where the arcade masters nobody came close to their unique wholly original vision some games where better than others but most where exquisite.
Sega was unreal in the 90s - such a shame that they weren't able to keep pace with the others.
You missed the 32X add on for the genesis. I for one regretted buying a Sega CD as it never delivered on it's promises. The rushed out Saturn upset a lot of retailers who didn't get any at launch and then refused to stock it. Game developers also found it difficult to program. Piracy didn't do the Dreamcast any favours as it didn't need any modification to run copied games.
I dont think there is any console war nowaday (at least not for me). You have a PC, get a Switch, get a PS4 and you have everything.
Their advertising hurt my feelings :(
Sega 32X was the beginning of the end and the Saturn the icing on the cake
Watching this make me very grateful that Nintendo is still here fighting in the console business despite their ups and down in the game industry since the 70s. So many have tried and failed yet Nintendo is still thriving against sony ps, PC gaming, Microsoft XBox, mobile gaming and now cloud gaming. The game industry is benefited so much with Nintendo in it than without and i hope they will still in the business for a long time.
Nintendo always make money. They focus on very young children and family friendly games. Only the WiiU objectively failed (also the Virtual Boy but we don’t talk about that).
Nintendo don’t contribute to the industry though. They dominate it. They knocked out all the competition in the handheld market with the Game Boy and Game Boy Colour then released the Game Boy Advance which had no backlight.
But they cater to a loyal customer base that appreciate their style of gameplay. But they don’t innovate. The Wii could be considered an innovation but it really only worked with the Wii Sports and Wii Ware titles. No other developer could design around the device?effectively and as a gun it’s too slow to move the reticle to work properly.
Nintendo don’t contribute, they dominate and recycle nostalgic ip’s to maintain market share based on familiarity and referencing established franchises from their distant past.
I don’t think the world needs another Mario Kart game but it’s gonna get it and every game publication will give it a perfect score.
@@iwanttocomplain haters want Nintendo to die like sega so that they can play Nintendo games on ps or pc. It's really sad cos these haters are ignorant to the history of gaming. Nintendo is pioneer of gaming revolution in the early 80s so yeah they deserve respect but sadly young generation no longer care about Nintendo and their games.
@@Rizky-Gumilar i prefer Sega
@@iwanttocomplain no problem you do you i like sega too but it's a fact that the company was ruled by bunch of idiots from usa during sega mega cd and 32x era. The failure of nomad saturn dreamcast in global market didn't help too. I hope someday Microsoft bought sega to combat sony monopoly in game industry. sony has won since 1995 and it's becoming boring.
@@Rizky-Gumilar Sega are still very much a going concern.
The problem, as far as I know, is that Sega wanted to be able to make and release high-type games on platforms, but they have been missing the spark of light ever since the Sega Saturn and Sega Dreamcast's sales dropped after getting released onto the public, although they tried to fight with Nintendo and Sony in terms of what they both had up to this day and forward, including games like the Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 2 duology of games. The long-lasting extend of this issue was that they been releasing games ever since to consoles like the PS2 and Wii in order to interest the fans of awesome franchises like the Sonic and Sakura Taisen franchises, but with no one buying their games anymore considering there have been games that can take up the gaming industry as well as the fans by surprise based on genres, such as Action and Tactical RPGs, like Mobile Suit Gundam and Super Robot Taisen. Those two franchises are now Japanese to English Subtitled exclusives in Asia for the PS4 and Nintendo Switch in terms of how charming they are in comparison toward those games in the rest of the world mostly rather than them.
Rise and fall of EA 😎
Nintendo isn’t in the console wars,Nintendo pleases its demographic..this why they don’t compete for franchises
A video on HP’s history would be awesome.
i think that a large part of sega's success is heavily related with Japan not allowed to produce Weapon and ammunition after WWII, they had to lift themselves up at that time and thats how they became a technology empire, kind of similar to the German vehicle market for an example.
Playing Street Fighter on Sega is my childhood.
The Dreamcast sold over 10 million units. Lol
I thought the Dreamcast was prettu cool back when I was 10. When I learned that SEGA stopped making consoles, it broke my heart.
I really still am a big fan of Sega and Atari both like Nintendo some of the best video game companies in the world. Maybe Sega and Atari should consider teaming up with Nintendo for their next console so they can compete with Sony and Microsoft. Today video game industry is a multi billion dollar business which makes more money then movies along with esports where some video game players become professional gamers and make millions competing against professional video game players. Sega like Atari may not be in the console wars anymore like before but I hope they continue to make games so they can be up there with Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft among the world's elite video game companies today.
I'll always regret not buying a Dreamcast back in the day
Stealing the company mans idea
what do you mean cause i littely don't know what your talking about
The age old tale… continues
Let's not forget about the 32x, as well as Sega of America, and Sega of Japan constantly butting heads, and competing with one another. The animosity within Sega was a huge contributor to its downfall.
But the Sega Saturn's abrupt launch was the top contributor to Sega's downfall in the console market. The others-- If Sega had just waited, they would've bounced back. Tom Kalinske said so himself.
Next video: The Rise and Fall... and Rise again of Sega
yeah im tired of people saying that sega is dead
Fun fact, Sega Game Gear takes 6 double A batteries and weighted 400g
We need that Sega Master System Mini Console next year tho!
R.i.p SEEEEEEEEGGGGGGA 1951 - 2000 my childhood😔
if sega was still making consoles i would just ignore all the other consoles
Jim Halpert celebrating new year's eve 0:52
honesty dont think nintendo is actively part of the console wars they just chilling making good games
I had the Genesis plus CD 2 plus 32X. I asked Customer Service is any consoles or add-on was expected and was told no and later Dreamcast was released. Pissed, I gave up on Sega, moved to PC games and got a PS2 to play PS1/PS2 titles that are now dirt cheap.
Funny that Howard Lincoln declared that Night Trap would never be on a Nintendo console and now it's available on Nintendo Switch.
The _console war_ is just silly.
People are arguing about plastics and electronics. 🤦♂️
You guys forgot pretty much all of the other add ons for the Genesis.
The problem with Sega started when Saturn launched in the the US, only for Sega to admit that they had little faith in the Saturn and that's around the time the DreamCast launched & why the Saturn did so pooly in the US.
Anyway, I don't think younger kids will even care about this.
Kids today seem only to be about _Fortnite_ (still) and _Minecraft_ mainly; basically games that "influencers" play and stream on Twitch and other social networking sites.
Fun-Fact: The sega master system and genesis are yet to be discontinued in Brazil.
Remember TurboGrafx-16 ?
Was this kid even around during the sega era ?