Russo has the mentality of a child in a school clique. On a recent video he went off on a rant about how some guy he got into an argument with was uncool and unmanly because wore a shirt and chinos.
Hate to pop the bubble, but Vince Russo and people that pay for Russo content are far from casual wrestling fans. Casual fans didn't work in wrestling, they don't host wrestling podcasts and they certainly don't spend money on wrestling podcasts and other content. 🤷
I'm a casual wrestling fan. I'll watch it if it's hot. I'm not gonna "be positive" about it. Not knee deep in it. Either it entertains me or it doesn't.
@@AlexSanchez-tj4ph Watching Russo IS NOT watching Salcedo!! Casual FAN!! I'm a FAN, casually!! Nick Hausman watches WWE religiously!! Sean Ross Sapp plays "pocket pool" while talking to comedy midcarders!! Casual FAN!!! NOT "indy mark"!!! THE ROCK!! Not Cody or Seth or Punk or Pockets or Hook!!!
You can't take anything Vince Russo says seriously because he comes from a disingenuous place. I feel like he got hurt that everybody dissed his booking, so now he takes every opportunity he can to do the same. He is completely incorrect here. I understand some of the criticism Cody gets about his vocabulary, his look and being too emotional sometimes but you also can't argue the numbers, the fan reaction and how hot the product has become over the last few years with him being central to that along with Roman. Vince is also not a casual fan nor is anybody that subscribes to him, just factually incorrect.
2 months later and WWE's viewership for both RAW and Smackdown has dropped with Cody as champion, now that the people screaming for him to win the title got what they want. Sounds like Russo was right to me. He's not over with the casual audience.
Cody's suit to me is inspirational because he doesn't flaunt it. It comes off as LeBron or other basketball players tunnel walk. Cody gives the vibe that i worked hard to be a star im gonna look like a star.
He has legitimately worked hard. Check the guys resume. He’s done a lot for the company since being back and he’s not even champ. Beat Lesnar twice, beat Seth in a grueling HIAC match, won the rumble twice, wrestled more than anyone in 2023, top merch seller of 2023, won the war games match (that his dad literally created) for his team, his return was epic and got a huge pop. The moment he returned he felt like a big star. He carry’s himself like a top star. The only people calling him “midcard” are delusional and out of touch. They can view him as a midcard all the way, but logically and realistically he’s just not; no matter how badly in their mind they think he is.
@@thehmc It's so sad "real fans" need beg "casuals" to boost their numbers... NBA fans are QUITE HAPPY to distance themselves from "casuals"!! You'll out yourself as a "casual" within SECONDS of talking to them. But these indy/AEW/NJPW fans are DESPERATELY for validation..
My daughter is 11 and my son is 9 and they are smartened up about what pro wrestling is. they have been team Bloodline the whole time but played along with going for Sami and happy Jey left. They love the rock being mean, but they also love Cody because he looks nice, dressess nice, and his move set. They didn't care who won at Mania until the rock made Cody bleed now they want him to win the belt. The term casual fan I think fits them bc they are kids and they aren't on social and UA-cam.
Vince does realize that Cody was a state champion high school wrestler, right? He’s probably not a nerd who was eating apple slices out of his lunch bag while sitting alone lol
@@胶里 not triggered, just saying I interpreted him as saying Cody was some nerd lol. If he meant most marks were not cool in high school I’d probably be inclined to agree…. But I don’t think that’s quite all that he was sayinbg
The casual fans dont even know the rock used to wrestle , when he says causal he means the attitude era fans on their 30s who were hardcores fans who dont watch anymore want rock to beat cody. The causal fans are kids who love cody they dont know the history of wwe and they dont care, they love cody. An arena full of kids wearing his merch all of a sudden are smart marks but the smart mark rock fans in their mid 30s are all of a sudden casuals? Fuck you, why should we want a millionaire to cosplay poverty? Every wwe talent dresses well except for those who its in their gimmick not to like sami or kevin .its hella weird that all of a sudden codys supposes to dress poor and heres the worst part if he did russo would say hes the top guy? Dressed like that?
As a Cody fan, Vince is absolutely correct. If any Rock fan came back to watch and didn't know who Cody (or Seth) were, they would think they are straight clowns.
I wouldn't say that lol. I think there is a huge section of old school fans who wanted Rock vs Roman. And I can bet you are cheering the Rock on to humiliate Cody like Russo was saying.
10:38 Disco makes a good point but I think Russo is right when it comes to the fans. The reason why Cody isn’t getting booed is because he left WWE and rebuilt himself in AEW which created a following for the diehard fans. Also I think everyone cheered Cody because Roman’s title reign has been for way too long.
I'm a fan of k100 but they're ALL DELUSIONAL and BIAS towards people who they personally like 😂🤦♂️. These dudes were campaigning for Boring ass Karrion Kross to be pushed over Bobby Lashley 🤦♂️. They think because they know these people outside the ring. , that they should immediately get pushed without questions.
yeh dont forget the dumbest slap in wrestling history when the rock got offended after they had just shit on dusty moments before lol horribly embarrassing
Casual fan is someone who doesn’t watch the show every week, but still stays in the loop. Either they play a video game , social media , a friend that kind of keeps me up to date. And then it gets hot so now they start watching again. It’s the same as a casual sports fan . The marks dictate who is over though bc the casuals will follow them , bc they just wanna have a good time at the show , they don’t really care who is over or not .
Konnan's facial expressions during this are hilarious. Look at his reaction whenever Russo rants or when Joe talks, what's the behind the scenes drama here?
The only people in the entire universe who know who Vince Russo is, aside from people who know him personally, are hardcore wrestling marks. The *only way* you’d know a *single thing* about Vince Russo is if you were a hardcore wrestling mark. So if Vince thinks his audience is a representative data set for “casual fans,” then to quote Vince Russo, “Bro.”
I am a wrestling fan, but not a mark. I only watch highlights. The storylines and characters have to interest me. I hate matches without a story, and generic promos. Give me something interesting! Bray Wyatt was top level for me! I like the Judgement day and the Bloodline. The writing for the Bloodline had been top level until Sami Zayne left. Now both Sami and the Bloodline are mostly boring. The Rock gives entertaining promos. I would rather see the Bloodline have 2 factions than what they are doing now.
@@thehmc yeah dude Vince Russo was such a captivating character that 20 years later a small handful of fans who *aren’t* hardcore still remember him. Alright.
WRONG and STUPID!! Why are marks SO DESPERATELY to claim casuals?? NBA have *no issue* calling people "casuals" if they don't watch every game of their favourite team, or know the full roster of the worst team in the NBA... But wrestling marks are DESPERATE to have "casuals" in their ranks...
@@thehmc Often see comments like: "If you were a real wrestling fan, you would want AEW to succeed, so wrestlers have opportunity to work". I want ZERO association with those types. So will HAPPILY claim "casual fan". "You're not a "real wrestling fan" if you know next to nothing about Japan" FINE BY ME!!!! But when WE CLAIM TO BE "casual fans", they TELL US "You're marks, just like me". Sadness
I agree with Russo about the suit, vocabulary, looks, etc. Those are all attributes of a great heel. And should Cody turn heel, all of that will make him a great one. But there's no denying that people feel a connection with him and that he's over. All of this (suit, vocabulary , looks, etc) backfired in AEW. Cody/WWE are walking a fine line where this somehow works despite Cody having classic heel characteristics.
Disco is speaking facts, went to the Vegas show Dec 2023 and it was sold out. Then went to the road to wrestlemania show in Augusta ga couple weeks ago, nearly sold out.
@@zachary_attackery exactly... the argument was specifically over Cody's contribution, and Disco pivoted the entire conversation to make an irrelevant point.
@@ChrisCash720 It's not just The Rock... at all... its the show as a whole... the entire presentation is refreshed and the guys are allowed to show personality again... its literally because Vince isn't running the company anymore.
Disco and Vince have the exact same problem. Everything they say comes back to "please take me seriously as an insider, but I'm also a casual fan, despite my entire day revolving around wrestling."
Vince has no idea what he's talking about- the fans buying tickets are the fanbase. He ALWAYS gets the biggest reactions. I've been to live events multiple times in 2023, and he always got the biggest reaction. He even had a bigger reaction than Punk at MSG when he debuted.
Yes they did and now they're already complaining about him again. You can't do the crybaby wah wah promos every week and expect people to still support
Disco is misreading what he's seeing. Cody isn't over. Cody's THEME is over. Like Seth. The Rock went from getting major boos to getting major cheers and The Rock is who's drawing people in. HE is over.
Disco... they don't booo him because he wasn't shoe-horned into that position by force... he came back as a surprise and has been riding a wave... its not the same thing is "being anointed," at least not in the eyes of the fans. Roman didn't work as a babyface because EVERYBODY wanted to see him as a heel since day one... he instantly become a million times more over once he started being a heel... its simple sht that EVERYBODY saw before the Shield broke up, and Vince was just too stubborn and worried about action figures to see the obvious move to make. And this whole "my story" thing is actually a pro-wrestling storyline rather than some interchangeable nonsense Vince slapped together 20 minutes before the show started that is going to be forgotten in 6 months.... That kind of booking is reserved for AEW now.
Vinny Ru is a 1000% right. You never see anyone 18-30 in public wearing Cody shirts. Not at the gym, the mall, anywhere. Young adults still don’t give a shit about Cody bro. I think he’s great, but he’s not mainstream.
Vince isn't wrong. People just don't want to hear it. Attendance is up because of The Rock not Cody. Rocky is making Cody look like a chump on a weekly basis.
The biggest mistake for any company is to assume, likes, youtube views, retweets, shares. = sales/reoccurring customers. Just look at the movie industry.
Well they just sold for billions so I would assume they have quite a few metrics that they use that none of us are privy to. Not that I care. It's a TV show, I just try to be a fan and like what I like.
@thehmc They are making more money now than they were back there. I think they have accepted that they are never gonna pull those numbers they were getting back then.
Vince Russo, eternally clueless. I don't know why someone who professes to hate wrestling reviews and discusses it. Oh that's right, because he needs wrestling to survive. The scary thing is that he's even less qualified to do anything else than he is to discuss wrestling. He honestly is even less qualified
Going into WrestleMania it ain't looking good 🙄 1. Reigns is back on Top as the Number 1 merch seller in the company. His "Levels above" Gear is fastest moving WWE merch right now. 2. Despite ALL of Rock's attempts to get Heat, the people are mostly CHEERING him. The reaction for his entrance alone was LOUDER and STRONGER than anything that happened that night. 3. People are still backing Reigns because honestly they see more money and potential Big Feuds with him , than Rhodes . Reigns can still have high profile feuds with Lashley, Rock , AJ Styles, and others. There's really no direction with Rhodes after he wins. He's already beat Brock Twice. 4. Ratings have NOT been good with Rhodes as the face of Raw. He's drawing some of the lowest ratings ever. 1. 4 -1.6 . 5. Fans don't believe in his character that much because it LACKS REALNESS.👍He Comes out every week in a Tight ass suit , saying the same shit over and over and using SAT words in his promos 🤦♂️ 6. Fans are starting to get Tired of the Campaign - Like antics. They just want someone who sounds like a real person. Not a politician or used car salesman.
@@kirbyr1473 Then tell me . Which ones are just opinions? You're lying to yourself bruh. Everything I said can be proven. It's literally a Google search, watching a few videos and following the trends online. Rock is more popular than the person he's trying to get over. Reigns is the number 1 merch seller. Fans are complaining about Rhodes goodie goodie character. Tell me 1 point that CAN'T be proven.
And Cody was the number one merch seller overall within the last year from today back to 3/26/23. He’s also selling the most amongst the 6-18 demo. Who is number 2 behind Roman merch the last month? Cody. They are putting him over with the belt man. It’s happening. Accept it move on lol.
@@erikaw7767 he was getting booed in AEW. He was cutting promos the same way and booked basically the same way. He is getting that rub because he left AEW and went to WWE so marks are cheering him. Once he gets that belt he will get booed.
@percybedford6266 he was getting booed by a niche crowd lol...a good chunk of those kids don't watch wwe...you know the wider audience..your logic isn't making sense... all champions would be booed then lol
A lot of podcasters like Russo and especially the AEW fanbase have been praying and waiting for two years for Cody to fail.. They labelled him a midcard talent yet he's hit it out of the park as a WWE main eventer and they can't cope with the fact they've been proven wrong and they continue to be proven wrong.
Hit it out the Park? Delusional 1. Raw is getting horrible numbers with him as the face of the show. 2. He's No longer the Number 1 merch seller in the company He ain't even in the top 5 , Reigns is. Reigns' "levels ABOVE" merch is selling super fast 3. Despite ALL of Rocks attempts to get heat, whenever he insults Rhodes and/or Rollins people cheer . 🤣 Rock literally sent a message to this dude's mom on tv and the crowd cheered and chanted "Whoop that Trick ". That's not good.
Cody is only getting this insane push is because he is a ex AEW guy. Cody is only getting his push is because BRAY WYATT is no longer here. If Bray was still alive. We would see the return of The Fiend if Bray was still alive. The Hell with Cody. Long live Roman.
Konnan and Russo are right, never thought I would ever agree with Russo but here we are. Cody is a politician Roman said Cody “acts like he is running for office.” That is what Cody is to me. He is going to make a great heel if he turns.
Russo is so out of touch I swear. Bro regular people wear suits now. Russo is stuck in 1999. Bro that Jerry springer style crash tv we loved when we were kids is trash now. We grew up
my friend isnt a fan of wrestling and he started watching youtube videos of cody vs the bloodline fued.. he doesnt like Cody and wants the Rock to beat him up… i cant believe this… Russo may be right.
Vince is clueless. Take a look at the merch numbers and tell me Cody isn't over. Not hard. Now, when you start saying is someone more over than the Rock, who is literally one of 3 most over stars ever in the history of the industry, what are we doing here? Is the Rock immortal Vince, will we lay our hat on him drawing for eternity? What a goof.
The fans came from the Rock, since he showed up on Jan 1. It’s pretty damn clear. Same story last year wasn’t selling out tv shows. Like what product do you guys watch?
They were selling out without the rock. But he added to it. Same way when cena came back last year the shows sold out. Everybody helps its not a one man's show. Mute argument
They were selling out arenas before rock came back. Ur talking bullshit typical Russo mark. Look up the records. Wwe exploded when the bloodline storyline started.
9:05 - that was the first thing i thought when he came out while Cody was out there..... Everybody on the internet can talk about who is "over" or not, but nothing compares to how over the guys from 20 years ago were then and still are now...... period. Vince caused so much damage to the perception of wrestling and to the expectations fans have that it's going to take at least 5 years to recondition the audience to understand what wrestling actually is again.
Na I want Roman to win, I don’t like Cody but Russo is full of shit. A guy with 58k subs thinks he reps casual fans. My gosh the wrestling mark podcasters have more subs than him. Russo is irrelevant
I'm not even sure how to take this conversation, but I'll say this. Some people just get over whether you like it or not. Cody has kids cos playing him and has the biggest responses almost every show. I was at Summerslam this year and a video I made of his entrance is over 50K views. This is more of "I don't like him as a babyface so he's not" conversations.
WRESTLINGS FANS SING SETH'S INTRO... but the CASUAL FAN do not and cannot GAF about him!!! STOP TELLING US "They're over with niche audiences in small rooms" LOOK AT THE VIEWING FIGURES!!! Raw STRUGGLES to get the numbers TNA got a decade ago!! NOBODY beyond MARKS wears wrestling merch!!! Dusty Rhodes was AVERAGE GUY!!! FOUR HORSEMEN wore suits!! Steamboat didn't wear suits Cena never wore suits (Evolution did) Kofi/Daniel Bryan never wore suits - they BATTLED the "suits"!" WAKE UP!!!
According to Russo, I should only cheer guys that look and sound like me and boo well-dressed sophisticated guys. How is that working out in AEW? K100 criticize every AEW review that guys don’t look like stars and dress like they got off work at the local Jiffy’s lube.
Konan those guys love Cody because like most podcasters he feeds them info makes them feel important and grants them interviews. He’s turned them into complete marks cosplaying as “journalist”
I'm with Disco on this one. If it's only the marks filling the arena like Russo said, where were all of them before this sell out streak started? Marks go to shows whether it's good or not. Therefore a big portion of these sold out crowds has gotta be newer casual fans.
Konnan we understand what u saying regarding The Rock and the bloodline but WE DON’T CARE..We have invested time on the Cody vs Roman storyline. For the majority Cody vs Roman is THE match.
I hear "Cody Crybabies" and it's hilarious but I wish that there was something that rolled off the tongue quite as well that describes the source of a *tsunami* of tears coming from the other side ever since that press conference in Vegas 🤔
I like russo but he hates just to be a hater. This the same guy who went on his show right after raw and said the segment of rock beating up Cody was trash lol laughable
I agree with Vince. I don't see the appeal of what Cody is doing. The suits are sharp and he's a solid wrestler, but his crying, his walkout song, bringing up his father every week, is weak sauce.
you are either not watching or you are over thinking lol... the dialogue... the story makes sense on so many levels. but sure "Suit looks good, he is bad... I don't like his song"
@@jamesmiller5331Guys like MIstertbones and Russo never have a answer for that question. They just bitch and complain that the WWE will turn on him. It’s been 2 years and he hotter now. They can’t accept the reality and loving it.😂😂😂
@Justwatchitallburn I don't understand why they're hyper about it. The company is having success and they were having a ton of it before The Rock came back. I understand bringing back the Nostalgia act gets them excited but why act like that's the indicator of the whole biz?
I think the marks cheer Cody because he is the savior from Roman reigns. They are sick of part time roman and his long run full of interference so now they see Cody as some big star. I predict Cody will will and will start having half cheers half boos 8 months down the line.
for the entire uncut & uncensored VINCE RUSSO interview ua-cam.com/video/55OEE-v70Hw/v-deo.html
None of you knows what it's like to be so over with the fans that you can do absolutely anything and get cheers. The Rock is that over.
@@anthonywarren9885 from this comment alone, I can see that you don't actually know what the term "over" means
Konnan's dogs are more over than the AEW roster.
lol wtf
Cody has children cheering for him, it doesn't get most casual then that. Russo has some personal issues or he stuck in his beliefs
Russo has the mentality of a child in a school clique. On a recent video he went off on a rant about how some guy he got into an argument with was uncool and unmanly because wore a shirt and chinos.
Haven't watched this yet, but I'm taking a shot for every time I hear "bro", or "let me finish".
BRO!!! Let me finish!!!
It's a 15 minute video. You will die. Don't do this to yourself bro.
They should make merch of these catchphrases 😅😅
His bro count was actually pretty low this video
You know what I'm saying?
Hate to pop the bubble, but Vince Russo and people that pay for Russo content are far from casual wrestling fans. Casual fans didn't work in wrestling, they don't host wrestling podcasts and they certainly don't spend money on wrestling podcasts and other content. 🤷
I'm a casual wrestling fan.
I'll watch it if it's hot.
I'm not gonna "be positive" about it.
Not knee deep in it.
Either it entertains me or it doesn't.
@@darrengordon-hillThe fact that you’re on this channel and commenting means you’re not a casual buddy
@@AlexSanchez-tj4ph lol, so true
@@AlexSanchez-tj4ph
The fact you think that is HILARIOUS!!!
@@AlexSanchez-tj4ph
Watching Russo IS NOT watching Salcedo!!
Casual FAN!!
I'm a FAN, casually!!
Nick Hausman watches WWE religiously!!
Sean Ross Sapp plays "pocket pool" while talking to comedy midcarders!!
Casual FAN!!!
NOT "indy mark"!!!
THE ROCK!!
Not Cody or Seth or Punk or Pockets or Hook!!!
Russo will never be happy again for the rest of his life until the Jerry Springer audience is back to watching pro wrestling. Weird.
Vince doesn't like wrestling he gets paid to watch wrestling so he's going to just dog it as much as he can
The weird this that those fans have grown up. I loved that shit when I was young but watching it again it doesn’t age well outside of Austin and rock
It was a better time...
@DrSpoculus I think so too. I was 12.
Raw seemed like a big deal every week. I had no bills or worries.
Ever go back and try to watch it now?
@@TheBeatdownBros like a jilted ex
You can't take anything Vince Russo says seriously because he comes from a disingenuous place. I feel like he got hurt that everybody dissed his booking, so now he takes every opportunity he can to do the same. He is completely incorrect here. I understand some of the criticism Cody gets about his vocabulary, his look and being too emotional sometimes but you also can't argue the numbers, the fan reaction and how hot the product has become over the last few years with him being central to that along with Roman. Vince is also not a casual fan nor is anybody that subscribes to him, just factually incorrect.
Exactly
2 months later and WWE's viewership for both RAW and Smackdown has dropped with Cody as champion, now that the people screaming for him to win the title got what they want. Sounds like Russo was right to me. He's not over with the casual audience.
Vince is right about Cody's vocabulary, he doesn't say Bro, I can't comprehend what he's saying because of that! Lol
Cody's suit to me is inspirational because he doesn't flaunt it. It comes off as LeBron or other basketball players tunnel walk. Cody gives the vibe that i worked hard to be a star im gonna look like a star.
He has a point about it. I see what you are talking about to me I see a politician . Maybe young preacher.
@@jmurdock8303 definitely politician.
To me he looks like a little boy trying to be a big boy
Inspirational 😂
He has legitimately worked hard. Check the guys resume. He’s done a lot for the company since being back and he’s not even champ. Beat Lesnar twice, beat Seth in a grueling HIAC match, won the rumble twice, wrestled more than anyone in 2023, top merch seller of 2023, won the war games match (that his dad literally created) for his team, his return was epic and got a huge pop. The moment he returned he felt like a big star. He carry’s himself like a top star. The only people calling him “midcard” are delusional and out of touch. They can view him as a midcard all the way, but logically and realistically he’s just not; no matter how badly in their mind they think he is.
Vince, people who are casual wrestling fans don't know who you are
Fact
I do
I think he knows that...
Sure they do because they watched wrestling during the late 90s when Russo was on TV on WCW.
@@thehmc It's so sad "real fans" need beg "casuals" to boost their numbers...
NBA fans are QUITE HAPPY to distance themselves from "casuals"!!
You'll out yourself as a "casual" within SECONDS of talking to them.
But these indy/AEW/NJPW fans are DESPERATELY for validation..
Russo bang on the money here. Wait until Cody wins the title, bring this chat back up to disco in 6 months.
Thank you someone finally said it “heels wear suit” JBL, Evolution, Vince McMahon…
Suits don’t mean what they used to mean. Suits are working class now.
Vince Russo, Conrad Thompson and Disco : nightmare blunt rotation
My God
I’d quit smoking on the spot.
@@oddishhonor 😂😂😂😂😂
Dude, fans that don't normally attend WWE shows that have started to attend the shows now: kinda the definition of a casual fan.
It’s not 1998 anymore. People don’t want a crude blue collar champion like Austin. They want a classy champion like Cody.
My daughter is 11 and my son is 9 and they are smartened up about what pro wrestling is. they have been team Bloodline the whole time but played along with going for Sami and happy Jey left. They love the rock being mean, but they also love Cody because he looks nice, dressess nice, and his move set. They didn't care who won at Mania until the rock made Cody bleed now they want him to win the belt. The term casual fan I think fits them bc they are kids and they aren't on social and UA-cam.
Vince does realize that Cody was a state champion high school wrestler, right? He’s probably not a nerd who was eating apple slices out of his lunch bag while sitting alone lol
He was talking about marks,he was talking about roles they are given,why are you triggered boi?
@@胶里 not triggered, just saying I interpreted him as saying Cody was some nerd lol. If he meant most marks were not cool in high school I’d probably be inclined to agree…. But I don’t think that’s quite all that he was sayinbg
The casual fans dont even know the rock used to wrestle , when he says causal he means the attitude era fans on their 30s who were hardcores fans who dont watch anymore want rock to beat cody. The causal fans are kids who love cody they dont know the history of wwe and they dont care, they love cody. An arena full of kids wearing his merch all of a sudden are smart marks but the smart mark rock fans in their mid 30s are all of a sudden casuals? Fuck you, why should we want a millionaire to cosplay poverty? Every wwe talent dresses well except for those who its in their gimmick not to like sami or kevin .its hella weird that all of a sudden codys supposes to dress poor and heres the worst part if he did russo would say hes the top guy? Dressed like that?
As a Cody fan, Vince is absolutely correct. If any Rock fan came back to watch and didn't know who Cody (or Seth) were, they would think they are straight clowns.
Cody is only an effective babyface to a certain sect of fans. I find The Rock’s fire more relatable than Cody’s story.
Most of every crowd and people watching wants Cody to win lol, but they also love the rock. not sure its an either or...
@@erikaw7767I could care less about Cody's story. I hope he gets squashed at Wrestlemania.
I wouldn't say that lol. I think there is a huge section of old school fans who wanted Rock vs Roman. And I can bet you are cheering the Rock on to humiliate Cody like Russo was saying.
If Rock and Cody were to feud for a few more months. It's a safe bet that fans would start cheering for Rock over Cody.
The problem with the high school quarter back analogy is that the so called varsity quarter back has been out of high school for twenty years
10:38 Disco makes a good point but I think Russo is right when it comes to the fans. The reason why Cody isn’t getting booed is because he left WWE and rebuilt himself in AEW which created a following for the diehard fans. Also I think everyone cheered Cody because Roman’s title reign has been for way too long.
The last part is absolutely right. Roman should have lost to Rhodes last summer instead of in a comical storyline with Brock
There was no buildup with Roman & Rock, Konnan. Like bro....wtf?? Thank goodness you're not a booker or writer.
I'm a fan of k100 but they're ALL DELUSIONAL and BIAS towards people who they personally like 😂🤦♂️. These dudes were campaigning for Boring ass Karrion Kross to be pushed over Bobby Lashley 🤦♂️. They think because they know these people outside the ring. , that they should immediately get pushed without questions.
And now when it does happen they will have build up and have a backstory other than "we're family"
He is a booker.
@@terranceburrs5832 Sorry to hear that
yeh dont forget the dumbest slap in wrestling history when the rock got offended after they had just shit on dusty moments before lol
horribly embarrassing
Casual fan is someone who doesn’t watch the show every week, but still stays in the loop. Either they play a video game , social media , a friend that kind of keeps me up to date. And then it gets hot so now they start watching again. It’s the same as a casual sports fan . The marks dictate who is over though bc the casuals will follow them , bc they just wanna have a good time at the show , they don’t really care who is over or not .
SANE PERSON!!!
Casual fan doesn't watch ROH/NJPW.
Or CageMatch ratings.
Konnan's facial expressions during this are hilarious. Look at his reaction whenever Russo rants or when Joe talks, what's the behind the scenes drama here?
They agreed most of the clip. But I know what you’re saying. A lot of it was Russo not even responding to what Konnan asked.
@@Inequities Konnan is lowkey the funniest guy in wrestling podcasts.
The only people in the entire universe who know who Vince Russo is, aside from people who know him personally, are hardcore wrestling marks. The *only way* you’d know a *single thing* about Vince Russo is if you were a hardcore wrestling mark.
So if Vince thinks his audience is a representative data set for “casual fans,” then to quote Vince Russo, “Bro.”
I am a wrestling fan, but not a mark. I only watch highlights. The storylines and characters have to interest me. I hate matches without a story, and generic promos. Give me something interesting! Bray Wyatt was top level for me! I like the Judgement day and the Bloodline. The writing for the Bloodline had been top level until Sami Zayne left. Now both Sami and the Bloodline are mostly boring. The Rock gives entertaining promos. I would rather see the Bloodline have 2 factions than what they are doing now.
Anyone who watched wrestling during the attitude era, which is casual fans, know who Vince Russo is because he was on TV.
@@thehmc yeah dude Vince Russo was such a captivating character that 20 years later a small handful of fans who *aren’t* hardcore still remember him. Alright.
WRONG and STUPID!!
Why are marks SO DESPERATELY to claim casuals??
NBA have *no issue* calling people "casuals" if they don't watch every game of their favourite team, or know the full roster of the worst team in the NBA...
But wrestling marks are DESPERATE to have "casuals" in their ranks...
@@thehmc
Often see comments like:
"If you were a real wrestling fan, you would want AEW to succeed, so wrestlers have opportunity to work".
I want ZERO association with those types.
So will HAPPILY claim "casual fan".
"You're not a "real wrestling fan" if you know next to nothing about Japan"
FINE BY ME!!!!
But when WE CLAIM TO BE "casual fans", they TELL US "You're marks, just like me".
Sadness
The Rock wrestling for WWE again is Tony Khan's single biggest nightmare
I agree with Russo about the suit, vocabulary, looks, etc. Those are all attributes of a great heel. And should Cody turn heel, all of that will make him a great one. But there's no denying that people feel a connection with him and that he's over. All of this (suit, vocabulary , looks, etc) backfired in AEW. Cody/WWE are walking a fine line where this somehow works despite Cody having classic heel characteristics.
Disco is speaking facts, went to the Vegas show Dec 2023 and it was sold out. Then went to the road to wrestlemania show in Augusta ga couple weeks ago, nearly sold out.
It wasn't sold out because of Cody. It was sold out because its WWE. They could put anyone there, it doesn't matter at this point
Two words... The... Rock
It's sold out because of the Rock! He is bringing in casual fans.
@@zachary_attackery exactly... the argument was specifically over Cody's contribution, and Disco pivoted the entire conversation to make an irrelevant point.
@@ChrisCash720 It's not just The Rock... at all... its the show as a whole... the entire presentation is refreshed and the guys are allowed to show personality again... its literally because Vince isn't running the company anymore.
Disco and Vince have the exact same problem. Everything they say comes back to "please take me seriously as an insider, but I'm also a casual fan, despite my entire day revolving around wrestling."
Vince has no idea what he's talking about- the fans buying tickets are the fanbase. He ALWAYS gets the biggest reactions. I've been to live events multiple times in 2023, and he always got the biggest reaction. He even had a bigger reaction than Punk at MSG when he debuted.
His theme is more over, take his theme away and then what.
His promos were pretty lame anyway
@@President_Shinlmaooo such a reach
A rare time that the fans are on Disco side 😂😂😂😂
Didn’t the marks booed the fuck outta Cody in aew?
Yes they did and now they're already complaining about him again. You can't do the crybaby wah wah promos every week and expect people to still support
When four marks get together and argue who they want to win WrestleMania.... while trying to accuse everyone else of being marks
Disco is misreading what he's seeing.
Cody isn't over.
Cody's THEME is over. Like Seth.
The Rock went from getting major boos to getting major cheers and The Rock is who's drawing people in. HE is over.
Disco... they don't booo him because he wasn't shoe-horned into that position by force... he came back as a surprise and has been riding a wave... its not the same thing is "being anointed," at least not in the eyes of the fans.
Roman didn't work as a babyface because EVERYBODY wanted to see him as a heel since day one... he instantly become a million times more over once he started being a heel... its simple sht that EVERYBODY saw before the Shield broke up, and Vince was just too stubborn and worried about action figures to see the obvious move to make.
And this whole "my story" thing is actually a pro-wrestling storyline rather than some interchangeable nonsense Vince slapped together 20 minutes before the show started that is going to be forgotten in 6 months.... That kind of booking is reserved for AEW now.
Vinny Ru is a 1000% right. You never see anyone 18-30 in public wearing Cody shirts. Not at the gym, the mall, anywhere. Young adults still don’t give a shit about Cody bro. I think he’s great, but he’s not mainstream.
Vince isn't wrong. People just don't want to hear it. Attendance is up because of The Rock not Cody. Rocky is making Cody look like a chump on a weekly basis.
Vince Russo could save AEW with a crazy new concept called STORYLINES
The biggest mistake for any company is to assume, likes, youtube views, retweets, shares. = sales/reoccurring customers. Just look at the movie industry.
Yes, there is exponentially more fakery BS and fraud in social media metrics than TV ratings.
There’s no such thing as “reoccurring customers” anymore, this isn’t the 1950s
@@marcbasil Yeah you are right, who goes to NFL games and are NFL fans simply because their dad was, that never happens anymore. Sit down kid
Well they just sold for billions so I would assume they have quite a few metrics that they use that none of us are privy to.
Not that I care. It's a TV show, I just try to be a fan and like what I like.
he also mentioned the sales of tickets up.. what else do you need? Do you need to do a door to door poll? lol
Saying Vince Russo is out of touch is wrong. He was never in touch.
@ABJECTdeaL Don't say that. You'll ruin the narrative
Vince Russo opinion on wrestling is 2024 is out of date, the guy hasn't been relevant since the late 90s
Weeding hasn't been relevant since the late 90's
People talk about him every day. He's relevant. Name one head of creative that has had better results
WWE wishes they could get the ratings Russo got. Russo is more relevant than the crappy "modern" product.
@thehmc They are making more money now than they were back there. I think they have accepted that they are never gonna pull those numbers they were getting back then.
My wife has multiple friends who have become wwe fans very recently
My wife wouldn’t have friends
Vince Russo, eternally clueless.
I don't know why someone who professes to hate wrestling reviews and discusses it. Oh that's right, because he needs wrestling to survive. The scary thing is that he's even less qualified to do anything else than he is to discuss wrestling.
He honestly is even less qualified
Going into WrestleMania it ain't looking good 🙄
1. Reigns is back on Top as the Number 1 merch seller in the company. His "Levels above" Gear is fastest moving WWE merch right now.
2. Despite ALL of Rock's attempts to get Heat, the people are mostly CHEERING him. The reaction for his entrance alone was LOUDER and STRONGER than anything that happened that night.
3. People are still backing Reigns because honestly they see more money and potential Big Feuds with him , than Rhodes . Reigns can still have high profile feuds with Lashley, Rock , AJ Styles, and others. There's really no direction with Rhodes after he wins. He's already beat Brock Twice.
4. Ratings have NOT been good with Rhodes as the face of Raw. He's drawing some of the lowest ratings ever. 1. 4 -1.6 .
5. Fans don't believe in his character that much because it LACKS REALNESS.👍He Comes out every week in a Tight ass suit , saying the same shit over and over and using SAT words in his promos 🤦♂️
6. Fans are starting to get Tired of the Campaign - Like antics. They just want someone who sounds like a real person. Not a politician or used car salesman.
Thanks for your input, .mark.
@@christerry1611 These are FACTS 😂. How are you mad at facts that have already been proven? Look it up. Don't ignore it.
@@SS-tg8lf4 of the points are belief of what fans are thinking. Those are opinions not facts
@@kirbyr1473 Then tell me . Which ones are just opinions? You're lying to yourself bruh. Everything I said can be proven. It's literally a Google search, watching a few videos and following the trends online. Rock is more popular than the person he's trying to get over. Reigns is the number 1 merch seller. Fans are complaining about Rhodes goodie goodie character. Tell me 1 point that CAN'T be proven.
And Cody was the number one merch seller overall within the last year from today back to 3/26/23. He’s also selling the most amongst the 6-18 demo. Who is number 2 behind Roman merch the last month? Cody. They are putting him over with the belt man. It’s happening. Accept it move on lol.
Cody speaks like he is putting on a Shakespeare play.
Russo is spot on.
I'm a casual fan and I can't stand Rhodes and want Rock and Roman to beat him and Seth.
Shame to see Disco turn into a shill.
Vince is right. People act as if Cody wasn't getting booed in AEW. Once Cody gets the belt he will get booed again.
there is 0 reason to believe that lol.. also he didn't get bood for have THE belt in aew...
Because his existence is based off chasing. If he wins he has nothing
That's what marks do. They cheer the underdog until they reach the top. Then they move on to someone else.
@@erikaw7767 he was getting booed in AEW. He was cutting promos the same way and booked basically the same way. He is getting that rub because he left AEW and went to WWE so marks are cheering him. Once he gets that belt he will get booed.
@percybedford6266 he was getting booed by a niche crowd lol...a good chunk of those kids don't watch wwe...you know the wider audience..your logic isn't making sense... all champions would be booed then lol
A lot of podcasters like Russo and especially the AEW fanbase have been praying and waiting for two years for Cody to fail.. They labelled him a midcard talent yet he's hit it out of the park as a WWE main eventer and they can't cope with the fact they've been proven wrong and they continue to be proven wrong.
Hit it out the Park? Delusional
1. Raw is getting horrible numbers with him as the face of the show.
2. He's No longer the Number 1 merch seller in the company He ain't even in the top 5 , Reigns is. Reigns' "levels ABOVE" merch is selling super fast
3. Despite ALL of Rocks attempts to get heat, whenever he insults Rhodes and/or Rollins people cheer . 🤣 Rock literally sent a message to this dude's mom on tv and the crowd cheered and chanted "Whoop that Trick ". That's not good.
Cody is only getting this insane push is because he is a ex AEW guy.
Cody is only getting his push is because BRAY WYATT is no longer here.
If Bray was still alive. We would see the return of The Fiend if Bray was still alive.
The Hell with Cody. Long live Roman.
I was convinced Cody was going to turn heel in AEW, and I thought it would’ve worked. Let’s not be surprised if he does.
Konnan and Russo are right, never thought I would ever agree with Russo but here we are. Cody is a politician Roman said Cody “acts like he is running for office.” That is what Cody is to me. He is going to make a great heel if he turns.
i am a Cody fan but I honestly wouldn't put the title on him at Mania. If he wins the title, whatever he does next is an instant step down.
What I been saying or you can take off of him
What they should do is so obvious in my opinion.
Roman go over to the rock interfering Cody versus The Rock will be entertaining television as we saw
🎯
Two of the most annoying characters online arguing is wild
Russo is so out of touch I swear. Bro regular people wear suits now. Russo is stuck in 1999. Bro that Jerry springer style crash tv we loved when we were kids is trash now. We grew up
Cody Rhodes has mid card talent. It's VERY clear with legitimate superstars around like Rock and Punk, that Rhodes isn't on that level.
Seth Rollins being linked with Cody Rhodes has helped neither one of them. I mean who's the tough one? Who's the cool one?
If Cody could only get cast in the next Fast and Furious movie I think all the neck of beards would finally make it rain on him 💸 💰
my friend isnt a fan of wrestling and he started watching youtube videos of cody vs the bloodline fued.. he doesnt like Cody and wants the Rock to beat him up… i cant believe this… Russo may be right.
Vince is clueless. Take a look at the merch numbers and tell me Cody isn't over. Not hard. Now, when you start saying is someone more over than the Rock, who is literally one of 3 most over stars ever in the history of the industry, what are we doing here? Is the Rock immortal Vince, will we lay our hat on him drawing for eternity? What a goof.
Maybe if Cody was boo'd more hed be better at his promos
Russo is not a casual. He knows the business like a mark
The fans came from the Rock, since he showed up on Jan 1. It’s pretty damn clear. Same story last year wasn’t selling out tv shows. Like what product do you guys watch?
They were selling out without the rock. But he added to it. Same way when cena came back last year the shows sold out. Everybody helps its not a one man's show. Mute argument
@@dpowell468 they weren’t 11 shows isn’t before the Rock simple math
They were selling out arenas before rock came back. Ur talking bullshit typical Russo mark. Look up the records. Wwe exploded when the bloodline storyline started.
@@Kipmoney_bruh they where look it up
@@cashmontoks pay per views yes, tv events no. Calm ya weird ass down
9:05 - that was the first thing i thought when he came out while Cody was out there..... Everybody on the internet can talk about who is "over" or not, but nothing compares to how over the guys from 20 years ago were then and still are now...... period.
Vince caused so much damage to the perception of wrestling and to the expectations fans have that it's going to take at least 5 years to recondition the audience to understand what wrestling actually is again.
It's funny reading the comments in here because some of you guys want to see Cody win just so you can s*** all over him right after
Na I want Roman to win, I don’t like Cody but Russo is full of shit. A guy with 58k subs thinks he reps casual fans. My gosh the wrestling mark podcasters have more subs than him. Russo is irrelevant
"LET ME FINISH!" hahaha love it when Vince said that to Disco! lol
Vince say hes over with the mark fans and not casual fans, but aew fans were booing him lmao
His confused 😂
Did russo just call him self a casual?, hes a mark for wrestling wtf.
Vinces idea of the casual fan is a Jerry Springer audience
Yes that's what I said too
Vince keeps saying he’s a casual fan but he’s a mark lol
Wrestling nerds get furious whenever Vince Russo points out that they're nerds.
Disco's eventual autobiographical title: Let Me Ask You A Question.
I'm not even sure how to take this conversation, but I'll say this.
Some people just get over whether you like it or not. Cody has kids cos playing him and has the biggest responses almost every show. I was at Summerslam this year and a video I made of his entrance is over 50K views. This is more of "I don't like him as a babyface so he's not" conversations.
Cody is only over with wrestling dorks, and wrestling dorks are repulsive to the cool people that WWE needs to attract.
@@thehmckeep convincing urself that
I hear Vince caught that 1000 dollar shoes line too, agree with Konnan and Vince on Cody being a natural heel
WRESTLINGS FANS SING SETH'S INTRO... but the CASUAL FAN do not and cannot GAF about him!!!
STOP TELLING US "They're over with niche audiences in small rooms"
LOOK AT THE VIEWING FIGURES!!!
Raw STRUGGLES to get the numbers TNA got a decade ago!!
NOBODY beyond MARKS wears wrestling merch!!!
Dusty Rhodes was AVERAGE GUY!!!
FOUR HORSEMEN wore suits!!
Steamboat didn't wear suits
Cena never wore suits (Evolution did)
Kofi/Daniel Bryan never wore suits - they BATTLED the "suits"!"
WAKE UP!!!
According to Russo, I should only cheer guys that look and sound like me and boo well-dressed sophisticated guys.
How is that working out in AEW? K100 criticize every AEW review that guys don’t look like stars and dress like they got off work at the local Jiffy’s lube.
I like Vince, and the Attitude Era was my childhood. But come on, he has based his opinion over his personal grudge with Cody
Konan those guys love Cody because like most podcasters he feeds them info makes them feel important and grants them interviews. He’s turned them into complete marks cosplaying as “journalist”
Cody is a baby kisser and smile to the camera guy
Roman Reigns is a bigger draw than the entire AEW roster
I think no fans of Russo are casuals. He got his words mistaken he said casual when i think he means asshole
I'm with Disco on this one. If it's only the marks filling the arena like Russo said, where were all of them before this sell out streak started? Marks go to shows whether it's good or not. Therefore a big portion of these sold out crowds has gotta be newer casual fans.
Konnan we understand what u saying regarding The Rock and the bloodline but WE DON’T CARE..We have invested time on the Cody vs Roman storyline. For the majority Cody vs Roman is THE match.
Cody is over because he's an underdog. It's really that simple.
Hes good at what he does. Conviction in his promos, uses psychology in the ring, adds significance to his angles.
Russo can't actually believe he's a casual fan.
The guy who the wrestling podcast / "network" thinks he's a casual fan 😆
Konnan's dogs have a badder bite than cody
I hear "Cody Crybabies" and it's hilarious but I wish that there was something that rolled off the tongue quite as well that describes the source of a *tsunami* of tears coming from the other side ever since that press conference in Vegas 🤔
I like russo but he hates just to be a hater. This the same guy who went on his show right after raw and said the segment of rock beating up Cody was trash lol laughable
I agree with Vince. I don't see the appeal of what Cody is doing. The suits are sharp and he's a solid wrestler, but his crying, his walkout song, bringing up his father every week, is weak sauce.
you are either not watching or you are over thinking lol... the dialogue... the story makes sense on so many levels. but sure "Suit looks good, he is bad... I don't like his song"
@@erikaw7767 and you're a mark.
@@grandpacreampieand u live with your grandma 👵
@@theguythatshotdraketheguyt53 you fans really live up to every stereotype
Disco is honestly being valid comming from a former fan this past year and half has caught me and alot of my buddies attention.
Vince Russo turned Mike Awesome into that 70s guy, I just can’t get over it
Cody is way too whiny to be taken seriously as a babyface.
Then why is he over?
I only see neckbeards complaining, Russo included.
@@jamesmiller5331Guys like MIstertbones and Russo never have a answer for that question. They just bitch and complain that the WWE will turn on him. It’s been 2 years and he hotter now. They can’t accept the reality and loving it.😂😂😂
@Justwatchitallburn I don't understand why they're hyper about it. The company is having success and they were having a ton of it before The Rock came back.
I understand bringing back the Nostalgia act gets them excited but why act like that's the indicator of the whole biz?
@@TheGreatestBabyFace Maybe it's because I'm an old school fan. Nobody would take Cody seriously back in Memphis or World Class.
I listened to this on Apple Podcasts. I unofficially counted the word “bro” 21 times (16 for Russo and 5 for Disco).
I think Vince is out of touch on what a casual fan is. The casual fan is no longer a fan that only watches tv and has no connection outside of that.
Konnan's dogs are tougher than Cody Rhodes
According to Russo it was the marks that made Cody trend no 1 world wide 😂😂😂
I agree with Vince Russo on Cody Rhodes
Cody Rhodes is a bigger draw than the entire AEW roster
I think the marks cheer Cody because he is the savior from Roman reigns. They are sick of part time roman and his long run full of interference so now they see Cody as some big star. I predict Cody will will and will start having half cheers half boos 8 months down the line.
They got the casuals through the rock
Chelsea green is over brother.