Obviously this whole period of episodes revolving around the reveal is a high water mark, but that final confrontation scene between John Paul and Craig from 6:52-8:21 is just exceptional. The writing is strong, the rhythm of the scene tense and crisp, and the guys' performances are marvelous. When JP delivers his final monologue, you can really tell he's a McQueen, hear the voice of his mother and sisters coming through. It's impossible to not be drawn in!
This was the first of a couple of things that had to happen for Craig to truly accept his relationship with JP and that included having to lose JP so he could mature enough and come back for their sunset ending.
Isn't Craig's dad the best! "I don't care what you are.... To me you're still Craig, but right now you are hurting and i wish there was something I could do to help." Beautifull lines
Lessons in being supportive by Jack and Darren Osborne. They're pretty great. Craig had it coming, there's no denying that... but there's clearly something wrong with him--one second he's realizing that he's just like his father, and shows remorse, and then LITERALLY THE NEXT SECOND he's telling JP it's his fault. He's always been a bit antisocial...
what does that have to do with being antisocial? for me being antisocial means that you hate people and even that you like to hurt them, he is not doing that he's just confused, also he said that things to JP because he was angry but i don't think he really meant it
***** Actually, in my psychology class, by definition, a person who is antisocial has little or no regard for right or wrong. They intentionally harm others and don't care who gets hurt. They often lie and engage in aggressive or violent behavior. Craig is absolutely antisocial. He lied to both JP and Sarah, and when everything came out, he took no blame on himself. He blamed JP for everything. He does eventually take the responsibility, but in this video he is clearly displaying antisocial behavior.
Yes, but sociopath or psychopath tendencies usually lead to murder. Antisocial behavior rarely does. Craig lied and cheated for months with little or no regard for how JP felt about it. Hence no regard for right or wrong. I got my definition from the statistical diagnostic manual, which is used by psychologists to diagnose such behavior.
I was so happy and proud when John Paul told Craig off and walked away. Yes Craig was trapped between two choices, he's always cared too much what other people think of him. And he always been a bit selfish, carrying on and acting just like his dad. But I'm glad that John Paul called Craig on his bull and didn't allow himself to be Craig's victim anymore. I think Craig would had married Sarah, even though it was John Paul he was in love with. And I do think Craig would had tried to keep John Paul as his bit on the side.
In my opinion the guilt would have gotten to much for Craig and before he was married to her he would of told her he loved JP and was with him for months.
I love John Paul's monologue to Craig. I've seen it so many times I've literally memorized it word for word along with a lot of the lines from the reveal. The only thing I don't like is how John Paul plays the victim while he's talking to Sarah. Yeah Craig used him this entire time, but John Paul knew Craig was with Sarah. Sarah knew nothing about him. It wasn't right that Craig was stringing John Paul along, but John Paul could have made the hard decision and stayed away from Craig, but he didn't. He can't pretend he didn't play an active role in deceiving Sarah.
I've seen this episode very often, and every time I want to hit Jake in the face. He just needed to keep up with Craig. He has a life of conscience on his conscience, and has been scorned for it. I'm not saying Craig did the right thing. He should have told the truth a long time before, and he was supposed to be his feelings, because he had known for a long time who he really loved and with whom he wanted to be together. It is also perfectly clear that he would never have made a marriage application to Sarah if he had not gotten into this predicament through Spike. And he says so himself later. But neither Jake nor Nancy have the right to treat Craig like that. He's his brother, and even if he doesn't understand it, he should stand by him. I'm just glad that Craig has in this situation least Jack at his side, because his mother is good indeed to nothing
ITA. It's not like she hadn't broken up with him and all that. Craig had ways out several times and he kept wanting her back. Hurting Sarah could've all been avoided. Like when Craig says "If I could go back, I wouldn't hurt you" I hardly think he means that he wouldn't sleep with JP. I think he'd go back and break things off with her. I know he loves Sarah, but he loves JP more. And that's what makes this whole storyline so sad. Sarah was always going to get the short end of the stick. :(
I know it's all a mess now, and I feel sorry for JP and Sarah, even Craig... But on a side note, it's just so amazing to finally hear Craig talk openly about his love for JP :)
Right on JP. You tell that.."toe rag" was it? Love it when he yells "I am NOT sorry for THAT!" As much as Craig deserves all this and more, I was happily surprised with his step-dad and step-brother, brilliant they are. Really sweet. xx
Sorry, Craig but growing hurts and this is what needed to be done to break that unending cycle of games and self-denial. Sorry Sarah - for getting your heart broken. But better to find out now than to marry him and go through more years of it. Bravo JP for standing up and speaking out the truth!
I think the acting by the three lead characters was brilliant. Don't usually rate Sarah but in the last couple of epis she was amazing. Naught JP but i don't blame him. Good old Jack providing a shoulder to cry on.
I know it's awful but I can't help laughing at 8:23. It's like a French and Saunders parody or something, with the weeping and the make-up and the hair. Fantastic!
I was so happy when JP gave it to Craig at the end there. All the stuff I've been wanting to yell at him forever! Going around blaming all his problems on everyone else, when really the only one he can honestly blame is himself.
So glad Jp didn't apologize like he always does. Craig was a two faced liar who used everyone to his own advantage, he got exactly what he deserved....feel bad for Sarah though.
This is why I loved Darren. He stood up for Craig. He put Jake in his place. Let’s not forget Jake cheated on becca then knocked her about when she did the same to him. He beat up a kid. He then got together with beccas sister and beat her up too. Hardly a good guy. But Darren he matured into a really good guy
I don't think Sarah would have gotten the short end of the stick..I think Craig would have married and moved to dublin with Sarah even though he really wanted to be with JP..JP always got the short end of the stick if you really think about it...Sarah & Craig went on vacation together.. it was Craig's idea and he later told JP he didn't know he was going.. Craig would have been miserable with Sarah than leave her and be happy with JP.. just to not be seen as being GAY...
@skatergurljubulee Yeah, it's real interesting that it's Craig's STEP-father and STEP-brother who are the most helpful. This episode just makes "family" another F-word.
I always get so tired watching this storyline again. Craig's behavior is exhausting. The two people who took the cringe out of all of this every time I watch this. Darren-the irony. The obnoxious one is actually making the most sense. Two: Craig's dad. He has a calm demeanor to him to begin with, so I am not all that surprised but glad he's there for Craig. Still a mess. The thing that I tend to question is that it still would've been awkward to break up with Sarah, whoever initiates it and go with JP. It may have put a slight rift to the relationship between them and Sarah, but it would of been better and honest than this train wreck.
I do but at the same time I feel sorry for her. I mean just imagine her situation. In her head no one loves Craig as much as she loves him. She lives in this perfect little world with lollipops and rainbows and a lovely angel Craig who sweeps her off the ground up to a big beautiful sky. Then it was as if someone broke the record and replaced it with dungeons and dragons. Dungeons and dragons is a long way from her princess fairytale :p I'm just glad I don't have to hear their lips smacking off.
jake and nancy, the ultimate couple... making an ridiculously bad situation even worse. i didn't think it would possible to make it worse, but they've proved me wrong.
i love JP i am glad he plays this character so well he deserves an award n this is some serious shit very juicy. Beside hollyoaks wat other UK show good like that
I never can bring myself to hate craig. I mean, I know what being equally in love with 2 people feels like and there really is no way out. You either choose (hardest thing ever) or you leave both of them. Doesn't excuse how much of an asshole Craig as been so far though !
This is one reason I don't do monogamy, its not worth the headache. Heteros are welcome to it. I do feel bad for Craig though. It's easy to blame it all on him, but the truth is he feels trapped. I don't mean trapped between JP and Sarah. He was trapped between JP and the world.
"I had to buy my own engagement ring." I get what Sarah's getting at, but she didn't actually HAVE to buy the ring... can't help thinking that that whole little convo says everything. And I know Jake was a complete arse in these scenes but he got nice again in the end. Nancy however, still remains a whiny cow (and I have to admit, I love how she jumps back in obvious fright when Craig turns on her; she has that coming. Strong fiery Nancy indeed).
I don't feel bad for her...if she wouldn't have went running her mouth off she wouldn't have been in that situation...he didn't buy her a ring.. and he said don't say anything... THAT SHOULD HAVE TOLD HER SOMETHING...
He's just a windup merchant. He actually has always had a soft spot for Craig and stands up for him fairly consistently during the time they've been step-siblings. But I agree, he makes a lot of homophobic comments. The thing is, he's all bark and no bite. Frankie and Jake are much more homophobic than him.
Or better yet, what if Craig came back and he and Brendan got it going on? o_O wouldn't thát be spectacular! ^.^ (...god I wish Craig and John Paul came back...I truly miss them... no matter who they'd end up with....although Jp and Ste or Doug, and Crqaig with Brendan would make good matches... =))
I was shaking just watching this... Im so happy john paul finally stood up for himself P.S. Sarah looked like SHIT!!!! 8:23 but i still feel bad for her
i hate that!! i don't get that after the romances with craig and well not really rhys, she suddenly turned into a lesbian after an escapade with Zoe and got all up in Craig's business, i think that was very weird when the writers just turned her into a full blown lesbian, i dunno.. it's just weird. i didn't see it play out so...
@MijnJijBuisAccount I agree, they did... But even though she and JP were friends, Craig was the one that cheated on her and she shouldn`t take it all out on JP and just forget about Craig, they were two about it. But then I guess you can`t really think logically when you`ve been shocked like that and it must be hard to just stop loving someone, even though they`ve hurt you really bad :(
Way to go Frankie. Next time I'm in the dumps, please, please, PLEASE come and talk to me. I'd love for you to compare me to your ex hubby and to force me to make up with someone I don't want. I need someone to remind me of my failures and how horrible I've made my life to be. Thanks, Frankie. LOL JP is awesome! "I'm sorry everyone can see you as the two timing, lying, little toe rag that you are." WIN!!! LOL
JOHN PAUL should not have said I am in love with you monologue he started it he should be facing the consequences more than Craig he was cheating and lying but he shouldn't been if John PAUL kept how he felt to himself I love the couple ❤ but how it started was cruel
Obviously this whole period of episodes revolving around the reveal is a high water mark, but that final confrontation scene between John Paul and Craig from 6:52-8:21 is just exceptional. The writing is strong, the rhythm of the scene tense and crisp, and the guys' performances are marvelous. When JP delivers his final monologue, you can really tell he's a McQueen, hear the voice of his mother and sisters coming through. It's impossible to not be drawn in!
This was the first of a couple of things that had to happen for Craig to truly accept his relationship with JP and that included having to lose JP so he could mature enough and come back for their sunset ending.
"Darren, get this pub cleaned up!"
"Jake... Jake! look after your mother."
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"Nancy! .... Just stand there and be useless... perfect."
Isn't Craig's dad the best!
"I don't care what you are.... To me you're still Craig, but right now you are hurting and i wish there was something I could do to help."
Beautifull lines
He got what he deserved but I felt so bad for Craig :(
'what do you think he was doing? playing doctors and nurses?' loool
Lessons in being supportive by Jack and Darren Osborne. They're pretty great. Craig had it coming, there's no denying that... but there's clearly something wrong with him--one second he's realizing that he's just like his father, and shows remorse, and then LITERALLY THE NEXT SECOND he's telling JP it's his fault. He's always been a bit antisocial...
what does that have to do with being antisocial? for me being antisocial means that you hate people and even that you like to hurt them, he is not doing that he's just confused, also he said that things to JP because he was angry but i don't think he really meant it
***** Actually, in my psychology class, by definition, a person who is antisocial has little or no regard for right or wrong. They intentionally harm others and don't care who gets hurt. They often lie and engage in aggressive or violent behavior. Craig is absolutely antisocial. He lied to both JP and Sarah, and when everything came out, he took no blame on himself. He blamed JP for everything. He does eventually take the responsibility, but in this video he is clearly displaying antisocial behavior.
Yes, but sociopath or psychopath tendencies usually lead to murder. Antisocial behavior rarely does. Craig lied and cheated for months with little or no regard for how JP felt about it. Hence no regard for right or wrong. I got my definition from the statistical diagnostic manual, which is used by psychologists to diagnose such behavior.
ceg2058 but being "nervous" around ppl isn't antisocial either...?
ceg2058 yea yea, I said it because I'm one of those ppl heh, I suffer social anxiety but I'm not a sociopath lol
well JP finally say the truth, It was all Craig fault.
I was so happy and proud when John Paul told Craig off and walked away. Yes Craig was trapped between two choices, he's always cared too much what other people think of him. And he always been a bit selfish, carrying on and acting just like his dad. But I'm glad that John Paul called Craig on his bull and didn't allow himself to be Craig's victim anymore. I think Craig would had married Sarah, even though it was John Paul he was in love with. And I do think Craig would had tried to keep John Paul as his bit on the side.
In my opinion the guilt would have gotten to much for Craig and before he was married to her he would of told her he loved JP and was with him for months.
I love darren here sticking up for Craig. To bad he can't be supportive later when craig really could have used a friend.
Best Hollyoaks episode ever. Guy was brilliant, great acting all round!
I love John Paul's monologue to Craig. I've seen it so many times I've literally memorized it word for word along with a lot of the lines from the reveal. The only thing I don't like is how John Paul plays the victim while he's talking to Sarah. Yeah Craig used him this entire time, but John Paul knew Craig was with Sarah. Sarah knew nothing about him. It wasn't right that Craig was stringing John Paul along, but John Paul could have made the hard decision and stayed away from Craig, but he didn't. He can't pretend he didn't play an active role in deceiving Sarah.
Craig does the right thing finally.
I've seen this episode very often, and every time I want to hit Jake in the face. He just needed to keep up with Craig. He has a life of conscience on his conscience, and has been scorned for it.
I'm not saying Craig did the right thing. He should have told the truth a long time before, and he was supposed to be his feelings, because he had known for a long time who he really loved and with whom he wanted to be together. It is also perfectly clear that he would never have made a marriage application to Sarah if he had not gotten into this predicament through Spike. And he says so himself later. But neither Jake nor Nancy have the right to treat Craig like that. He's his brother, and even if he doesn't understand it, he should stand by him. I'm just glad that Craig has in this situation least Jack at his side, because his mother is good indeed to nothing
What a wonderful father... didn't expect that.
ITA. It's not like she hadn't broken up with him and all that. Craig had ways out several times and he kept wanting her back. Hurting Sarah could've all been avoided.
Like when Craig says "If I could go back, I wouldn't hurt you" I hardly think he means that he wouldn't sleep with JP. I think he'd go back and break things off with her. I know he loves Sarah, but he loves JP more. And that's what makes this whole storyline so sad. Sarah was always going to get the short end of the stick. :(
I wish Sarah and JP made up at some point during the show, but they never did :( they had such a beautiful friendship.
This has to be one of my favorite scenes ever where John Paul just calls Craig on all his bull. So proud of John Paul for letting Craig have it.
I guess there was no waterproof mascara back in 2007. Or at least Sarah had no idea where to get it.
I know it's all a mess now, and I feel sorry for JP and Sarah, even Craig... But on a side note, it's just so amazing to finally hear Craig talk openly about his love for JP :)
finally darren's being an awesome brother, i think after this he actually tries to be a part of the dean/osbourne clique.
Have to say it again! Jack and Darren you are awesome! I love them! Always have and now even more so!
Right on JP. You tell that.."toe rag" was it? Love it when he yells "I am NOT sorry for THAT!"
As much as Craig deserves all this and more, I was happily surprised with his step-dad and step-brother, brilliant they are. Really sweet. xx
It is awesome!! When I watched the first time I never thought I would hear him do it.
What a cool dad.
Is it me or did it get awfully dark awfully quick?
Sorry, Craig but growing hurts and this is what needed to be done to break that unending cycle of games and self-denial.
Sorry Sarah - for getting your heart broken. But better to find out now than to marry him and go through more years of it.
Bravo JP for standing up and speaking out the truth!
I think the acting by the three lead characters was brilliant. Don't usually rate Sarah but in the last couple of epis she was amazing.
Naught JP but i don't blame him.
Good old Jack providing a shoulder to cry on.
I know it's awful but I can't help laughing at 8:23. It's like a French and Saunders parody or something, with the weeping and the make-up and the hair. Fantastic!
What kind of a mum tells his son to continue this sham...??
Is that woman serious...
wow Darren actually sorta stood up for Craig
I was so happy when JP gave it to Craig at the end there. All the stuff I've been wanting to yell at him forever! Going around blaming all his problems on everyone else, when really the only one he can honestly blame is himself.
So glad Jp didn't apologize like he always does. Craig was a two faced liar who used everyone to his own advantage, he got exactly what he deserved....feel bad for Sarah though.
I've watched this so many times now. JP really did such a good job. Love his speech to Craig. He really needed a waking up.
Silent tears...James Sutton is a fantastic actor.
y does every1 ask if u r ok when u clearly rnt......?
This episode is amazing, it's done really well. JP, Craig and Sarah act their socks off. Ps Jack rocks!
Seriously, Jack FTW, Whatta man, whatta man, whatta mighty good man!
"It will help me hate him as much as I hate you"
That was so sad and heartbreaking and so unfair!!
I cant take sarah's crying seriously hahahahahahaha
the dumb "are you alright" question strikes again lol
Well, at least the perpetual snogging between Craig and Sarah is now finally over... hopefully.
This is why I loved Darren. He stood up for Craig. He put Jake in his place. Let’s not forget Jake cheated on becca then knocked her about when she did the same to him. He beat up a kid. He then got together with beccas sister and beat her up too. Hardly a good guy. But Darren he matured into a really good guy
I don't think Sarah would have gotten the short end of the stick..I think Craig would have married and moved to dublin with Sarah even though he really wanted to be with JP..JP always got the short end of the stick if you really think about it...Sarah & Craig went on vacation together.. it was Craig's idea and he later told JP he didn't know he was going.. Craig would have been miserable with Sarah than leave her and be happy with JP.. just to not be seen as being GAY...
Wait... since when is Darren a good person? Ooh I like this!
"I have to buy my own engagement ring..." Alrite Sarah, you've been sacrificed a lot we know!
@skatergurljubulee Yeah, it's real interesting that it's Craig's STEP-father and STEP-brother who are the most helpful. This episode just makes "family" another F-word.
I always get so tired watching this storyline again. Craig's behavior is exhausting. The two people who took the cringe out of all of this every time I watch this. Darren-the irony. The obnoxious one is actually making the most sense. Two: Craig's dad. He has a calm demeanor to him to begin with, so I am not all that surprised but glad he's there for Craig. Still a mess. The thing that I tend to question is that it still would've been awkward to break up with Sarah, whoever initiates it and go with JP. It may have put a slight rift to the relationship between them and Sarah, but it would of been better and honest than this train wreck.
That's actually Craig's stepdad - but he's such a wonderful source of sympathy and a voice of reason here. That staircase scene is *chef's kiss*.
lol...your eyes are fine... I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed it too...
How is it night all of a sudden...? Okay, I'll shut up, lol.
I do but at the same time I feel sorry for her. I mean just imagine her situation. In her head no one loves Craig as much as she loves him. She lives in this perfect little world with lollipops and rainbows and a lovely angel Craig who sweeps her off the ground up to a big beautiful sky. Then it was as if someone broke the record and replaced it with dungeons and dragons. Dungeons and dragons is a long way from her princess fairytale :p I'm just glad I don't have to hear their lips smacking off.
John Paul! Luv Ya! Missin' Ya! ....wish you'd still be here instead of Emmerdale....
jake and nancy, the ultimate couple... making an ridiculously bad situation even worse. i didn't think it would possible to make it worse, but they've proved me wrong.
James Sutton for president
who told u to buy ur own engagement ring? that part is ur fault!
No, but seriously, I clapped after JP told Craig off.
i love JP i am glad he plays this character so well he deserves an award n this is some serious shit very juicy. Beside hollyoaks wat other UK show good like that
Alan Animus, I feel sorry for you.
I never can bring myself to hate craig. I mean, I know what being equally in love with 2 people feels like and there really is no way out. You either choose (hardest thing ever) or you leave both of them. Doesn't excuse how much of an asshole Craig as been so far though !
This is one reason I don't do monogamy, its not worth the headache. Heteros are welcome to it. I do feel bad for Craig though. It's easy to blame it all on him, but the truth is he feels trapped. I don't mean trapped between JP and Sarah. He was trapped between JP and the world.
Alan Animus Yah, monogamy is some tough shit !
I agree with you, Craig did the right thing in the end.
@Ananananiful He says "just leave me alone"
nothing to be sorry about, it cracked me up too.
"I had to buy my own engagement ring."
I get what Sarah's getting at, but she didn't actually HAVE to buy the ring... can't help thinking that that whole little convo says everything.
And I know Jake was a complete arse in these scenes but he got nice again in the end. Nancy however, still remains a whiny cow (and I have to admit, I love how she jumps back in obvious fright when Craig turns on her; she has that coming. Strong fiery Nancy indeed).
Hell no. poor girl
I don't feel bad for her...if she wouldn't have went running her mouth off she wouldn't have been in that situation...he didn't buy her a ring.. and he said don't say anything... THAT SHOULD HAVE TOLD HER SOMETHING...
I'm surprised Darren tried to defend Craig. He has been the most insensitive person regarding gays. He is always making fun of gay people.
He's just a windup merchant. He actually has always had a soft spot for Craig and stands up for him fairly consistently during the time they've been step-siblings. But I agree, he makes a lot of homophobic comments. The thing is, he's all bark and no bite. Frankie and Jake are much more homophobic than him.
Breaks my heart
itsceciliayeah....it's not just you...I was thinking the same thing...it goes dark in 2.3 seconds...lol
is Darren being nice? Oi I think hell must have frozen over!
Jack is awesome!
@Ananananiful Oh...dunno...I think he says something like "leave it"
I just realized how much of a train wreck Sarah's storyline has been
Or better yet, what if Craig came back and he and Brendan got it going on? o_O wouldn't thát be spectacular! ^.^
(...god I wish Craig and John Paul came back...I truly miss them... no matter who they'd end up with....although Jp and Ste or Doug, and Crqaig with Brendan would make good matches... =))
where the heck is her waterproof make-up for some reason it just drives me batshite
I was shaking just watching this... Im so happy john paul finally stood up for himself
P.S. Sarah looked like SHIT!!!! 8:23 but i still feel bad for her
such a fake cry at the end omg
i hate that!! i don't get that after the romances with craig and well not really rhys, she suddenly turned into a lesbian after an escapade with Zoe and got all up in Craig's business, i think that was very weird when the writers just turned her into a full blown lesbian, i dunno.. it's just weird. i didn't see it play out so...
@MijnJijBuisAccount I agree, they did... But even though she and JP were friends, Craig was the one that cheated on her and she shouldn`t take it all out on JP and just forget about Craig, they were two about it. But then I guess you can`t really think logically when you`ve been shocked like that and it must be hard to just stop loving someone, even though they`ve hurt you really bad :(
Way to go Frankie. Next time I'm in the dumps, please, please, PLEASE come and talk to me. I'd love for you to compare me to your ex hubby and to force me to make up with someone I don't want. I need someone to remind me of my failures and how horrible I've made my life to be. Thanks, Frankie.
LOL JP is awesome! "I'm sorry everyone can see you as the two timing, lying, little toe rag that you are."
WIN!!! LOL
I thought that too haha xD
okay ppl wat have we learned? this is a warning to gay men in the closet to come out soon rather than later
JOHN PAUL should not have said I am in love with you monologue he started it he should be facing the consequences more than Craig he was cheating and lying but he shouldn't been if John PAUL kept how he felt to himself I love the couple ❤ but how it started was cruel
to busy with the gay boy? Really? wtf???