Absolutely great video. This has given me much clarity on how I have been playing. TBH I actually utilize both types of swings. High lofted clubs full shots 56-8 I use roll release. Gives me high shots for more stopping power. 7+ I use body release giving me more piercing shots. I didn’t realize this is what I was doing until I watched this video. Love it
THANK YOU! I knew there were 2 different release types, and how to roll release, but this is the FIRST VIDEO I've seen where someone explains how to release a body release. The underhand throw explanation really helps! Most other videos out there only talk about turning the club face down and rotating, and they offer no explanation of how to release with a body/square release. They give the false impressions that you just keep rotating through the shot while your arms /wrists do nothing, which is aggravating to people trying this at home. Thank you!
@@Gilesgillgolf yes, I’m assuming there is a small degree of forearm roll going on while they unhinge in the square release. Just not nearly as much in a full roll release. Does that sound right to you? Thank you.
Really beneficial and now makes sense. 25+ years ago taught more like roll release and just getting back into golf videos teach the body roll which I didn’t realize there’s two methods. Makes sense. This really helps
Great video! Clear to understand which is which. I was combining both release patterns and getting inconsistent results. This really helped. Thanks Giles!
Me to I do try the club matching the spine and try to rotate. But sometimes when I get to impact something is wrong and my hands save the shot by rolling. My mates usually see it and say “good save” or it pushes to the right or hooks to the left! 😢
Excellent job Giles on explaining the two types of releases in the golf swing. As a senior golfer and the toe up position I was taught almost 68 years ago, I would probably be more comfortable with the forearm release! I have worked on the "toe slightly down" position, but as you stated in the video, this requires more of a body rotation. Well Done Giles!
I am definitely a roll release player. For many years I was stuck in between. I'd be toe up but then try to release with the body. Once I understood the different release patterns I realized I needed a roll release for my swing. I know most modern players use a body release but the roll release works beat for me. Thanks for your explanations. Getting your release pattern right is fundamental.
Sorry Giles, if I keep gushing about your instruction. I can't recall another instructor who made reference to being right or left side dominant. Having viewed your video mentioning how you like to hit with your right shoulder, I tried that drill. It works beautifully!! The feel is 1,000 percent natural. Simply put, I've been focusing on the wrong side of my body. Beyond any doubt I am right side dominant. Focusing on my left side has kept my game from being dominant!! What a waste of time it was watching instruction that doesn't utilize this principle. I love how trying to hit with my right shoulder gives me that beautiful tilt and clears my left side automatically. Just as your phenomenal instruction has cleared my mind of senseless clutter. At least in terms of golf. Like spit shining an attic!! When I tried this pressure drill and it's as if the club travels to a perfect position every time. Like your instruction. PERFECT EVERY TIME. There is no instructor I've seen that's in your league. A fraternity of one.
This is the best explanation of ever seen on the different releases with club face position tied into the release pattern. THANK YOU Giles! For me the body release give me a more stable club head through contact and is way more accurate but again that's for me. I am 70 years old so seniors can have a body release.
Very informative because I watched others' videos and some instructors do the roll release, whether they point this out or not, while others don't. Thank you for pointing out when one should do either.😀
Omg! This video is so helpful to me. I've been doing the body rotation type of release and holding the wrist release, which has made my balance unstable after the swing and shortened my distance. Now I finally understand why. TYVM
Thanks for the explanation. I was always thinking the traditional release felt super awkward and it was because I already had the clubface square and was doing a body release anyway lol. Can't believe how many release vids I've seen and this was the first to just put it in easy to understand terms of which is best for which situation.
I've never seen any of your videos before but I really enjoyed this. All very clearly explained. Thank you. In my case I have previously had too much roll, with the result I've had too many shots going left. Have been trying to correct this, but am not finding it easy!
Great explanation! As I've got older, I've started to struggle with rotation, and losing swing speed. Time to work on the roll- release. Thank you for the validation!
Terrific video. As a senior golfer with limited left hip internal rotation it looks like I can use a more toe up, roll release to square it up and get as much distance as possible with my slower swing. Thanks,
Excellent video on a topic very few explain so well. Outstanding job on this. I'd love to see a full video on the body release someday if possible...swing thoughts, feels, positions, drills etc
@@Gilesgillgolf yeah my bad, I meant to say a full vid on the body SWING. I feel like there's some different dynamics there throughout the whole swing, not just in the release yeah? Or is it truly a release thing only?
This is the EXACT thing I was working on the range today. I'm VERY closed at left arm parallel. But I was try to do a roll release. Now I see I can't achieve that. THANK YOU! You have a new subscriber
@@Gilesgillgolf well let's not get too excited, I still have to do it 😂. I've learned that KNOWING what to do and actually DOING it are 2 different things lol
Been watching for a while now and stumbled on this video while searching closing the club face, thank you saying the rolling release is okay to do.. I’ve been driving myself to tears trying to get a body release, I can’t do it lol I’m not made that way.
Thanks again Giles! this is so good, as i was looking for swings and tips from y.tube and so many coaches just tell and teach about "one release all"!! so now i get it, my release is a body release, and seems to be aboutthere ok! Just have to take maybe a couple of coaches and delete some, so i dont get me head messed up! as i said before obviously gonna follow you!!!
I have tried the roll release in the past but I couldn't get away from hitting fat. I've been working on stack and tilt lately with a body release and have been happy with that
Thanks Giles, an excellent tutorial on the different club release patterns. However, it's my understanding that an open club face is incongruous with a shallow swing plane and proper compression of the ball. Therein lies the problem for most club golfers. I have been working on keeping the the club face squarer on takeaway (aka Max Homa) which for many club golfers who roll the forearms too early will look closed. Hence rolling the wrists through impact is almost impossible with an open club face in my experience. Only by getting 'knuckles down' can I properly compress the ball, which I believe also promotes a shallower swing plane because the golf swing is a sequence of (good...or bad) movements. Just saying - interested in your thoughts?
Well yes of course because on the hands and wrists control clubface so unless you learn how to control the face with them you won’t be able to produce functional moves
Can you do a video that builds on this video as to whether the lower body starts the down move with the shoulders to follow or whether the upper body and lower body start together. If I try to move the lower body first, I tend to drag the club behind me which leads to an open club face.
This was a interesting video.. I’ve been told I have to release earlier causing low irons and pop ups and low hooks with drive do you have a video for that. Thx
Very good. I can see that an instructor like Milo Lines preaches the body release, but a Mike Malaska promotes a roll release Koepka roll release, Lucas Glover (what a swing!) body release. Isnt a combination the best.? Flipping a danger with the roll release?
Good stuff. I would also add that you don’t have to be 100% one or the other. A blend of the two releases can work quite well depending on your body and hand-eye coordination.
Giles I'm assuming for the body release the grip s/be a bit stronger (see one knuckle) so the club face is more closed coming into impact vs toe up? Thanks.
man i wish i hopped on to your skillest montly when you were cheaper, found you like half a year ago and have seen you grown alot. Ive been struggling with my release and this vid gave me a aha moment. I strived for a body release but i always had that chicken wing held off look in my follow through and I didnt know why, Im a slicer of the ball so i feel like i should just resort to doing the roll release.
for the past several years i have been doing the stable body release but when i have problems with it i can switch to the roll release. what i find for me is the stable release ball flight is quite low and the roll release is a lot higher.
sometimes when i have a real open fairway i can hit this real loopy draw that curves about 30 yards in the air and most of the time will finish in the middle. when i hit it i open the face at the top and roll it closed on the way down and the ball goes out and looks more like it's flying like a kite and cutting through the air and goes quite far. my friends are always amazed when they see it. i can do it as a fade also by aiming left and have an open face at address and hold it off a bit. i find trying to curve the ball is creative and a lot of fun and easiest to do with a teed up driver.
Great Video! May I ask what is the root cause decides your club face open or closed at the check point in your video? Can it be controlled ? or just natural to your body?
Hi, do either of these types require a stronger/fitter ability? E.g. it looks like a weaker player would be able to get more clubhead speed via an arm roll release, vs a body release which seems like it might require more power? Or do you find no difference. Thanks.
Hi - Many thx for this. As an older player, 55+ with much less back flexibility than I used to have in my 30s. Is their a release which is easier on the back?
I was curious with which release I should be working on since I had back surgery in the early 90’s. Now 52 and was old school roll release but was working on body release but everything is drawing left. I agree the roll release would be easier on the back.
@@bearois1 roll release does provide less strain but remember your clubface dictates your release so if you want to change release you need to change clubface
I actually learned to keep my club face parallel to my spine (modern instruction) on the backswing where as my natural swing was toe up in the past. Now I understand why everything was starting down the line and turning over too much. Club closed at impact and not body releasing. Great explanation of both swings 👍🏻
What has changed in the game at the amateur level is the incentive to learn how to shape shots. I learned in the early 80s from Golf My Way where Nicklaus wrote that he never saw a shot as straight and rarely ever tried to hit one that way because there is less margin for error. Conventional wisdom back then was to use a body release to prevent face from closing when trying to hit a fade and a roll release when wanting to hit a draw. Now I rarely play with anyone who knows how to shape shots (at will) or has any interest in learning how to do it so it doesn’t surprise me that the body release pattern has become the conventional wisdom. Another factor is club design due in large part to the introduction of metal / carbon shafts and the physics insights and innovation of Karsten Solheim. It was very instructive for me to build sets of early 1970s muscle back blade irons at thrift stores, regrip them and play them in comparison to today’s higher MOI designed based on the PING Anser putter and PING EYE irons. The old blades and Bullseye putters have some much toe bias they try to twist open in the backswing and closed during the downswing. The toe bias is so great in older low MOI irons that twists the shaft of the club. Golfers like Hogan, Sneed and Nelson learned to compensate for the twisting of hickory shafted clubs pulling the face open then snapping it shut with hand action. When they made the transition to metal shafts in the late 1920s and early 1930s they had to change technique because the shafts don’t twist as much. Karsten Solheim realized that toe bias in putters and circa 1950 iron designs was still causing the face to change due to twisting of the club in the hands, something pros had learned to compensate for but amateurs couldn’t. He realizes by changing the heel-to-toe mass in the club head it could be designed to automatically stay square with the swing arc resulting in more consistently straight shots: at the target, straight right, or straight left depending on where the ball was placed on the swing arc. I have sets of the original PING EYE, the PING EYE 2 and a set of PING S57 irons and the difference in swing feel in the hands compared to traditional muscle back iron can be felt. With a toe bias blade the difference it toe direction when setting up for fade vs a draw is very noticeable because of the way the toe bias tries to twist the club in the hands. The higher MOI PINGs and any cavity back design will twist less and not provide the same feedback in the hands about how the club face is oriented. The most critical phase is when the club moves from shaft horizontal with toe more or less vertical in the air and impact where it swings (ideally) square to swing arc and the target line if set up for a ‘dead straight’ shot or back to the desired degree of being closed or open to swing arc if planning to hit a draw or fade, respectively. Pros initially resisted changing to higher MOI clubs the same way they resisted changing from wound Balata balls to Polymer - until Tiger arrived on the scene and started out driving them by 50+ yards-because they were accustomed to the feedback the toe bias in the blade irons provided. When one can hit hundreds of shaped shots per day like the pros do - and I was able to do when working at a course - one can start to feel in the hands when the toe of the club isn’t oriented as planned during that critical phase. The ‘waggle’ thing that Hogan popularized few now do ingrains the feeling of how the club comes down from shaft horizontal through impact. Try exaggerating where the toe is oriented at address and waggle the club a few times you should be able to feel the difference during the waggle and become more aware of toe and face during actual swings. In practice at the range when I feel a shot isn’t going as planned I resist trying to reflexively tying to ‘save’ the shot by steering the face back square to target with hands and just let the mistake happen to observe the ball flight and from it identify the root cause of the bad shot. Because I alternated between a slight draw as my ‘normal’ shot shape with roll release and fades with more body release only when needed my most common mental error is setting up to hit a fade but using a roll release which results in a nasty snap hook. When that happens when playing on the course I’ll attempt to save the shot with the hands but with varying degrees of success. All things considered I think the best approach as a once-a-week golfer is playing with high MOI self squaring clubs with a body release and the goal of hitting straight shots with a bit of draw spin, but that said nothing beats a high fade for sticking an approach shot on the green. I’m 72 with some arthritis in my lower back but thankfully it doesn’t affect my ability to to side bend and keep the face square to swing arc with a body release when needed to hit a high fade 😊
I'm not young and tried to go to a body release the last 3 years , total distaster for me , slowly going back to how i used to swing ie roll release , far easier on the body and the draw has come back .
So, are you advocating that a person who is trying to change from a open club face in the downswing to a closed face must now also transition from a roll release to a body release? Seems they have to, correct? Thanks.
Would it be ok to use a combination of both? I think I use the body release for wedges, woods and hybrids. But irons I tend to have a roll release… is this silly, should I stick with one for all clubs?
@@Gilesgillgolf your probably right, I’m more confident with wedges, woods and hybrids… so the roll is probably ‘automated’… is roll release a good matchup for a flatter swing?
I know this might seem a silly question but is this the same for driver? I am more of a toe up and do try to match it by rolling slightly but with driver it comes out to low with irons I get good launch with driver not so much
Neither is better. Both can be very fast but you just have to achieve the speed different ways. Don’t combine the releases other wise you’ll spray it all over the place
Club never goes low left. It goes up and left but that happens due to you rotating more which creates the space. Manually try and do it and you’ll chicken wing
@@bartosdiagos how can you offset that? Your clubface determines the release. If you try and combine it you’re going to rely on pure timing which is a recipe for trouble
Great channel. But would you really tell a player with an elite pivot and body motion to not do it simply because his club face happens to be “open” at downswing lead arm parallel? Would you really tell a poor moving golfer to use a body release who happens to have a “closed” club face at downswing lead arm parallel? Isn’t the roll release really more of a swing fault, a less than ideal release pattern that occurs when a player has a less than ideal pivot or body motion, or that occurs because of a forced release based on the misconception that somehow it is a good thing? My release pattern? It depends. The better I move my body, the more I release the club like Viktor Hovland. The worse I move my body, the less I’m like him. And, if I stall my pivot or force the release, I get a roll release, which is a crapshoot. Thanks for your work. You are a great instructor.
You 1000% would. Would you say Patrick Reed, Mickelson & Will Zalatorious are bad players because there clubface is open and they have roll releases? The issue with the golf industry is they teach models but that doesn’t work as we aren’t all the same. Now if your model can adapt for different situations, variables & matchups then that is a model people coaches should teach. Not a one size fits all model which is technically what you’ve just described
Where did I say everyone needs to swing the same? So you would tell Hovland to stop doing a body release if his face was open at p6, and instead tell him to do a roll release and drop his elite body motion…instead of the logical approach of keeping his elite pivot and simply changing his grip or wrist structure to change the open face at p6? Of course, a roll release is fine if you are a pro and can manage it or you are a player who has no choice and can’t move properly. But this doesn’t prove that a roll release is not a sub-optimal release pattern for anyone who has a choice, can move well, and can do a body release with a much more stable club face release pattern like Hovland.
@@jimgeorge72 I have video right here on my iPad showing Viktors clubface is pointing down and shaft parallel in downswing so he is a body release. I don’t know what video you’re looking at but I can email you over the videos I have showing he has his clubface down
Take a breath. I’m on your side. I know his face is pointing down. I said, what if his face was instead open or facing upward. What instruction would you give him? Would you change his release pattern or fix the open face at p6?
totally a hands release...I feel like it's a bounce pass in basketball...been trying to learn the body release but it doesn't work for me based on your teachings
Calling other release body release is misleading imo. Which one you need is depending how strong your grip is and how your wrists are set at top of the swing. Just go with one that feels natural and adjust wrist set if you start see too much curvature in ball flight. I call my swing "free flow" just letting it come naturally without too much thinking.
That’s what I said. Clubface determines your release. Grip & wrist conditions play the biggest role in determining clubface. We’re saying the same thing
I am senior player. Often when hitting short to mid-irons, I combine roll release AND body release and the result is a large draw. Sometimes I will roll release, and because of tired body, the body release stops halfway and also end up with a bad draw. It seems that controlling your body release or not body release is more important than whether you are open or closed face.
Half way through I was about to add a comment that a roll release might be better for senior golfers with restricted rotation -and then you covered it ! Such comprehensive instruction presented so clearly visually and verbally is extremely rare on UA-cam. Keep it up Giles 🫡
Hi everyone, curious to hear what release pattern you are?
Body rotation for me!
@@ptnpharmd great release pattern
Roll release for this 8.4 , @ 71 years old
@@daveparsons7756 perfect!
Absolutely great video. This has given me much clarity on how I have been playing. TBH I actually utilize both types of swings. High lofted clubs full shots 56-8 I use roll release. Gives me high shots for more stopping power. 7+ I use body release giving me more piercing shots. I didn’t realize this is what I was doing until I watched this video. Love it
Best explanation of the difference between the two release patterns I've ever seen!
Thank you!
THANK YOU! I knew there were 2 different release types, and how to roll release, but this is the FIRST VIDEO I've seen where someone explains how to release a body release. The underhand throw explanation really helps! Most other videos out there only talk about turning the club face down and rotating, and they offer no explanation of how to release with a body/square release. They give the false impressions that you just keep rotating through the shot while your arms /wrists do nothing, which is aggravating to people trying this at home. Thank you!
Exactly! You must must must release the club no matter what pattern you are. I share your frustrations when watching videos
@@Gilesgillgolf So do both hands roll together a little when the right hand unhinges in the square release? Or more after?
@@dj-flights7376 after around left arm parallel in the downswing both wrists will start to unhinge otherwise the club would never get to the ball
@@Gilesgillgolf yes, I’m assuming there is a small degree of forearm roll going on while they unhinge in the square release. Just not nearly as much in a full roll release. Does that sound right to you? Thank you.
@@dj-flights7376 exactly that
Really beneficial and now makes sense. 25+ years ago taught more like roll release and just getting back into golf videos teach the body roll which I didn’t realize there’s two methods. Makes sense. This really helps
Amazing! Glad this helped and good luck this season
Great video, explaining the two options, without trying to say one is wrong and one is right ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Thank you Graham
yes!!! right on!
Great video! Clear to understand which is which. I was combining both release patterns and getting inconsistent results. This really helped. Thanks Giles!
Fantastic!
Me too 😢
Me to I do try the club matching the spine and try to rotate. But sometimes when I get to impact something is wrong and my hands save the shot by rolling. My mates usually see it and say “good save” or it pushes to the right or hooks to the left! 😢
Excellent job Giles on explaining the two types of releases in the golf swing. As a senior golfer and the toe up position I was taught almost 68 years ago, I would probably be more comfortable with the forearm release! I have worked on the "toe slightly down" position, but as you stated in the video, this requires more of a body rotation. Well Done Giles!
Sounds like a toe up roll release was made for you!
One of the best golf vids I've watched. Simple,effective and answers nany questions I've had about release. Well done Giles.
Thank you so much!!
I am definitely a roll release player. For many years I was stuck in between. I'd be toe up but then try to release with the body. Once I understood the different release patterns I realized I needed a roll release for my swing. I know most modern players use a body release but the roll release works beat for me. Thanks for your explanations. Getting your release pattern right is fundamental.
Be sure to check out my senior release pattern as it’ll be perfect from what you described
The first time I have ever understood the release. Thank you.
Amazing! Glad I could help
Sorry Giles, if I keep gushing about your instruction. I can't recall another instructor who made reference to being right or left side dominant. Having viewed your video mentioning how you like to hit with your right shoulder, I tried that drill. It works beautifully!! The feel is 1,000 percent natural. Simply put, I've been focusing on the wrong side of my body. Beyond any doubt I am right side dominant. Focusing on my left side has kept my game from being dominant!! What a waste of time it was watching instruction that doesn't utilize this principle. I love how trying to hit with my right shoulder gives me that beautiful tilt and clears my left side automatically. Just as your phenomenal instruction has cleared my mind of senseless clutter. At least in terms of golf. Like spit shining an attic!! When I tried this pressure drill and it's as if the club travels to a perfect position every time. Like your instruction. PERFECT EVERY TIME. There is no instructor I've seen that's in your league. A fraternity of one.
Wow thank you so much! It’s amazing to hear you’re enjoying the content so much & that the movements are natural for you! I’ll keep it coming
This is the best explanation of ever seen on the different releases with club face position tied into the release pattern. THANK YOU Giles! For me the body release give me a more stable club head through contact and is way more accurate but again that's for me. I am 70 years old so seniors can have a body release.
Glad it was helpful! & great to hear at 70 you’re still improving your game
Very informative because I watched others' videos and some instructors do the roll release, whether they point this out or not, while others don't. Thank you for pointing out when one should do either.😀
Glad it helped!
Omg! This video is so helpful to me. I've been doing the body rotation type of release and holding the wrist release, which has made my balance unstable after the swing and shortened my distance. Now I finally understand why. TYVM
Amazing! Glad this could help
Thanks for the explanation. I was always thinking the traditional release felt super awkward and it was because I already had the clubface square and was doing a body release anyway lol. Can't believe how many release vids I've seen and this was the first to just put it in easy to understand terms of which is best for which situation.
Amazing, glad this video cleared the release up for you. Such an important part of the swing
I've never seen any of your videos before but I really enjoyed this. All very clearly explained. Thank you. In my case I have previously had too much roll, with the result I've had too many shots going left. Have been trying to correct this, but am not finding it easy!
Thank you! Sounds like you’re heading in the right direction with more of a body release
So helpful.....thank you Giles. You have a new subscriber!
Amazing! Thank you so much
excellent explanation .... can't agree more to this wonderful video.... thanks so much Giles 👌👌👌
Amazing! Glad you enjoyed the video!
This was a very informative video on this subject thank you so much
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
Great explanation! As I've got older, I've started to struggle with rotation, and losing swing speed. Time to work on the roll- release. Thank you for the validation!
Wow so many youtube videos out there and none of them explained release like you do. Thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Terrific video. As a senior golfer with limited left hip internal rotation it looks like I can use a more toe up, roll release to square it up and get as much distance as possible with my slower swing. Thanks,
It will definitely help!
Excellent video on a topic very few explain so well. Outstanding job on this. I'd love to see a full video on the body release someday if possible...swing thoughts, feels, positions, drills etc
Isn’t this a full video 😅
@@Gilesgillgolf yeah my bad, I meant to say a full vid on the body SWING. I feel like there's some different dynamics there throughout the whole swing, not just in the release yeah? Or is it truly a release thing only?
@@iowabowtech1 it’s mainly a release thing. Backswing more than likely is the same. Downswing is just a bit more rotation
This is the EXACT thing I was working on the range today. I'm VERY closed at left arm parallel. But I was try to do a roll release. Now I see I can't achieve that. THANK YOU! You have a new subscriber
Thank you! Glad this has cleared this subject up for you
@@Gilesgillgolf well let's not get too excited, I still have to do it 😂. I've learned that KNOWING what to do and actually DOING it are 2 different things lol
Excellent explanation - thank you - very helpful
Glad it was helpful!
Brilliant explination of the two types of release.
Thank you!
Outstanding stuff! Just what I needed to understand. Thanks
Glad it helped!
I body release. This video was a good explanation of both types of release.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it
Been watching for a while now and stumbled on this video while searching closing the club face, thank you saying the rolling release is okay to do..
I’ve been driving myself to tears trying to get a body release, I can’t do it lol I’m not made that way.
Welcome aboard! Hope my channel can bring the joy back into the game for you
Thanks again Giles! this is so good, as i was looking for swings and tips from y.tube and so many coaches just tell and teach about "one release all"!! so now i get it, my release is a body release, and seems to be aboutthere ok! Just have to take maybe a couple of coaches and delete some, so i dont get me head messed up! as i said before obviously gonna follow you!!!
Great to hear it’s cleared things up for you
I have tried the roll release in the past but I couldn't get away from hitting fat. I've been working on stack and tilt lately with a body release and have been happy with that
Roll release in its self wouldn’t cause fat shots. More than likely something else is causing the issues
This is extremely helpful, thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Fantastic video😊
Thank you!
Thanks Giles, an excellent tutorial on the different club release patterns. However, it's my understanding that an open club face is incongruous with a shallow swing plane and proper compression of the ball. Therein lies the problem for most club golfers. I have been working on keeping the the club face squarer on takeaway (aka Max Homa) which for many club golfers who roll the forearms too early will look closed. Hence rolling the wrists through impact is almost impossible with an open club face in my experience. Only by getting 'knuckles down' can I properly compress the ball, which I believe also promotes a shallower swing plane because the golf swing is a sequence of (good...or bad) movements. Just saying - interested in your thoughts?
Well yes of course because on the hands and wrists control clubface so unless you learn how to control the face with them you won’t be able to produce functional moves
Eureka moment! Good explanation.
Amazing!
Can you do a video that builds on this video as to whether the lower body starts the down move with the shoulders to follow or whether the upper body and lower body start together. If I try to move the lower body first, I tend to drag the club behind me which leads to an open club face.
I’ve done quite a few videos on this already
Great video and explanation
Thank you!
Great video Giles.
I was wondering what release you recommend when using the driver
Nothing changes when it comes to the driver
This was a interesting video.. I’ve been told I have to release earlier causing low irons and pop ups and low hooks with drive do you have a video for that. Thx
You need to watch some of my videos where I talk about moving your low point passed the ball
Best release video I have seen 😊
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it
Great Advice video drill tips
Thank you!
Thank you for this, wonderfukky explained
Thank you! Glad you think so!
Good video as always
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it
Very good.
I can see that an instructor like Milo Lines preaches the body release, but a Mike Malaska promotes a roll release
Koepka roll release, Lucas Glover (what a swing!) body release.
Isnt a combination the best.?
Flipping a danger with the roll release?
I would say avoid a combo and keep it simple. Let the clubface dictate what’s right for you
Flipping danger only if club head beats your hands to the ball…..(aka “scoop”)
@@daveparsons7756 exactly. You need to do the under hand thrown sensation
Good stuff. I would also add that you don’t have to be 100% one or the other. A blend of the two releases can work quite well depending on your body and hand-eye coordination.
Sure thing
Nice job explaining! Have watched toooo many overexplain, one hour videos that still don’t come across.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent video. Now to work out what my club face looks like on the down swing😂
I have plenty of videos on clubface control. its never ending in golf
Always been a body releaser, recently trying to change to more roll release but misses are too frequent and personally less errors with body release
Only change if you’re clubface is telling you too. If your clubface is in a body release position then stay with the body release
Giles I'm assuming for the body release the grip s/be a bit stronger (see one knuckle) so the club face is more closed coming into impact vs toe up? Thanks.
Grip affects clubface. Stronger grip = more closed face with neutral wrist conditions
man i wish i hopped on to your skillest montly when you were cheaper, found you like half a year ago and have seen you grown alot. Ive been struggling with my release and this vid gave me a aha moment. I strived for a body release but i always had that chicken wing held off look in my follow through and I didnt know why, Im a slicer of the ball so i feel like i should just resort to doing the roll release.
A roll release is one of the methods to fix a chicken wing so be sure to give it a go
for the past several years i have been doing the stable body release but when i have problems with it i can switch to the roll release. what i find for me is the stable release ball flight is quite low and the roll release is a lot higher.
Dangerous game mixing it up
@@Gilesgillgolf yes, you said it.
Move the ball a bit forward in your stance to hit it higher.
Does the same body release swing apply to driver as I struggle with it using body but fine with irons
Yes the same
sometimes when i have a real open fairway i can hit this real loopy draw that curves about 30 yards in the air and most of the time will finish in the middle. when i hit it i open the face at the top and roll it closed on the way down and the ball goes out and looks more like it's flying like a kite and cutting through the air and goes quite far. my friends are always amazed when they see it. i can do it as a fade also by aiming left and have an open face at address and hold it off a bit. i find trying to curve the ball is creative and a lot of fun and easiest to do with a teed up driver.
That’s awesome
Great Video! May I ask what is the root cause decides your club face open or closed at the check point in your video? Can it be controlled ? or just natural to your body?
Loads of factors: grip, wrist conditions, shaft pitch, forearm positioning, etc
Good stuff here!
Glad you like it!
Hi, do either of these types require a stronger/fitter ability? E.g. it looks like a weaker player would be able to get more clubhead speed via an arm roll release, vs a body release which seems like it might require more power? Or do you find no difference. Thanks.
Body require more athleticism
@Gilesgillgolf So presumably if someone struggled for swing speed, would you recommend the arm rol
@@Vnam72 depends why they struggle with swing speed. Plenty of ways to generate speed
Hi - Many thx for this. As an older player, 55+ with much less back flexibility than I used to have in my 30s. Is their a release which is easier on the back?
Roll release requires less body rotation so is easier on the body
I was curious with which release I should be working on since I had back surgery in the early 90’s. Now 52 and was old school roll release but was working on body release but everything is drawing left. I agree the roll release would be easier on the back.
@@bearois1 roll release does provide less strain but remember your clubface dictates your release so if you want to change release you need to change clubface
I actually learned to keep my club face parallel to my spine (modern instruction) on the backswing where as my natural swing was toe up in the past. Now I understand why everything was starting down the line and turning over too much. Club closed at impact and not body releasing. Great explanation of both swings 👍🏻
What has changed in the game at the amateur level is the incentive to learn how to shape shots. I learned in the early 80s from Golf My Way where Nicklaus wrote that he never saw a shot as straight and rarely ever tried to hit one that way because there is less margin for error. Conventional wisdom back then was to use a body release to prevent face from closing when trying to hit a fade and a roll release when wanting to hit a draw. Now I rarely play with anyone who knows how to shape shots (at will) or has any interest in learning how to do it so it doesn’t surprise me that the body release pattern has become the conventional wisdom.
Another factor is club design due in large part to the introduction of metal / carbon shafts and the physics insights and innovation of Karsten Solheim. It was very instructive for me to build sets of early 1970s muscle back blade irons at thrift stores, regrip them and play them in comparison to today’s higher MOI designed based on the PING Anser putter and PING EYE irons. The old blades and Bullseye putters have some much toe bias they try to twist open in the backswing and closed during the downswing.
The toe bias is so great in older low MOI irons that twists the shaft of the club. Golfers like Hogan, Sneed and Nelson learned to compensate for the twisting of hickory shafted clubs pulling the face open then snapping it shut with hand action. When they made the transition to metal shafts in the late 1920s and early 1930s they had to change technique because the shafts don’t twist as much.
Karsten Solheim realized that toe bias in putters and circa 1950 iron designs was still causing the face to change due to twisting of the club in the hands, something pros had learned to compensate for but amateurs couldn’t. He realizes by changing the heel-to-toe mass in the club head it could be designed to automatically stay square with the swing arc resulting in more consistently straight shots: at the target, straight right, or straight left depending on where the ball was placed on the swing arc.
I have sets of the original PING EYE, the PING EYE 2 and a set of PING S57 irons and the difference in swing feel in the hands compared to traditional muscle back iron can be felt. With a toe bias blade the difference it toe direction when setting up for fade vs a draw is very noticeable because of the way the toe bias tries to twist the club in the hands. The higher MOI PINGs and any cavity back design will twist less and not provide the same feedback in the hands about how the club face is oriented.
The most critical phase is when the club moves from shaft horizontal with toe more or less vertical in the air and impact where it swings (ideally) square to swing arc and the target line if set up for a ‘dead straight’ shot or back to the desired degree of being closed or open to swing arc if planning to hit a draw or fade, respectively. Pros initially resisted changing to higher MOI clubs the same way they resisted changing from wound Balata balls to Polymer - until Tiger arrived on the scene and started out driving them by 50+ yards-because they were accustomed to the feedback the toe bias in the blade irons provided.
When one can hit hundreds of shaped shots per day like the pros do - and I was able to do when working at a course - one can start to feel in the hands when the toe of the club isn’t oriented as planned during that critical phase. The ‘waggle’ thing that Hogan popularized few now do ingrains the feeling of how the club comes down from shaft horizontal through impact. Try exaggerating where the toe is oriented at address and waggle the club a few times you should be able to feel the difference during the waggle and become more aware of toe and face during actual swings.
In practice at the range when I feel a shot isn’t going as planned I resist trying to reflexively tying to ‘save’ the shot by steering the face back square to target with hands and just let the mistake happen to observe the ball flight and from it identify the root cause of the bad shot. Because I alternated between a slight draw as my ‘normal’ shot shape with roll release and fades with more body release only when needed my most common mental error is setting up to hit a fade but using a roll release which results in a nasty snap hook. When that happens when playing on the course I’ll attempt to save the shot with the hands but with varying degrees of success.
All things considered I think the best approach as a once-a-week golfer is playing with high MOI self squaring clubs with a body release and the goal of hitting straight shots with a bit of draw spin, but that said nothing beats a high fade for sticking an approach shot on the green. I’m 72 with some arthritis in my lower back but thankfully it doesn’t affect my ability to to side bend and keep the face square to swing arc with a body release when needed to hit a high fade 😊
I'm not young and tried to go to a body release the last 3 years , total distaster for me , slowly going back to how i used to swing ie roll release , far easier on the body and the draw has come back .
Have a look at my senior release. Awesome video to show you a very easy to do release pattern
So, are you advocating that a person who is trying to change from a open club face in the downswing to a closed face must now also transition from a roll release to a body release? Seems they have to, correct? Thanks.
Clubface determines your release so yes
What role does the left or lead arm wrist play if it is bowed (in flexion) versus cupped?
Well bowing and flexing plays a huge role in controlling loft & clubface on the arm will always react to that
Would it be ok to use a combination of both?
I think I use the body release for wedges, woods and hybrids.
But irons I tend to have a roll release… is this silly, should I stick with one for all clubs?
I tend to find golfers who ask that question are more of a roll release and you want to have the same release through the bag
@@Gilesgillgolf your probably right, I’m more confident with wedges, woods and hybrids… so the roll is probably ‘automated’… is roll release a good matchup for a flatter swing?
@@somedude0923 nothing to do with the plane of your swing. The release is a squaring mechanism for the face
Is there a better release for distance or does it matter?
Definitely a lot more clubhead speed with the role release
Roll release tends to have more but it’s not as much as people think
I use roll release so far but find it harder to get awareness of clubface at impact. Trying to experiment with body release.
What’s your clubface on the way down
body release all the way for better control from wedges to Driver.
For some but not all
I think short iron is easier with body release，the Driver need more arm release@@Gilesgillgolf
I know this might seem a silly question but is this the same for driver? I am more of a toe up and do try to match it by rolling slightly but with driver it comes out to low with irons I get good launch with driver not so much
Yes it’s the same for driver. What differs is low point relative to ball and shaft lean. Watch my driver vs iron video
So which release type is better or can we we combine both in one means both body and forearms release to increase the speed? Tks
Neither is better. Both can be very fast but you just have to achieve the speed different ways. Don’t combine the releases other wise you’ll spray it all over the place
Doesnt the body release require a quicker exit low left?
Club never goes low left. It goes up and left but that happens due to you rotating more which creates the space. Manually try and do it and you’ll chicken wing
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Why is it im always struggling on my driver. Most are slicing, can you teach me how not to slice my drive thank you so much
Can be lots of reasons. Is it a clubface issue, path issue or strike issue
which is better?
Depends on your swing
What if you combine those two?
You wouldn’t want to. You’d lose control over the face
@@Gilesgillgolf But what if you do not :P, you would gain massive speed and so distance. I'll will try next week on the range :D
@@bartosdiagos no you’d more than likely hit it miles off line as you won’t have any club face control. See it more as you are one or the other
@@Gilesgillgolf I feel l ike you can offset that with speed, but like I said, I don't have the time right now, but next week i'll try it on the range.
@@bartosdiagos how can you offset that? Your clubface determines the release. If you try and combine it you’re going to rely on pure timing which is a recipe for trouble
Great channel. But would you really tell a player with an elite pivot and body motion to not do it simply because his club face happens to be “open” at downswing lead arm parallel? Would you really tell a poor moving golfer to use a body release who happens to have a “closed” club face at downswing lead arm parallel? Isn’t the roll release really more of a swing fault, a less than ideal release pattern that occurs when a player has a less than ideal pivot or body motion, or that occurs because of a forced release based on the misconception that somehow it is a good thing?
My release pattern? It depends. The better I move my body, the more I release the club like Viktor Hovland. The worse I move my body, the less I’m like him. And, if I stall my pivot or force the release, I get a roll release, which is a crapshoot.
Thanks for your work. You are a great instructor.
You 1000% would. Would you say Patrick Reed, Mickelson & Will Zalatorious are bad players because there clubface is open and they have roll releases? The issue with the golf industry is they teach models but that doesn’t work as we aren’t all the same. Now if your model can adapt for different situations, variables & matchups then that is a model people coaches should teach. Not a one size fits all model which is technically what you’ve just described
Where did I say everyone needs to swing the same? So you would tell Hovland to stop doing a body release if his face was open at p6, and instead tell him to do a roll release and drop his elite body motion…instead of the logical approach of keeping his elite pivot and simply changing his grip or wrist structure to change the open face at p6? Of course, a roll release is fine if you are a pro and can manage it or you are a player who has no choice and can’t move properly. But this doesn’t prove that a roll release is not a sub-optimal release pattern for anyone who has a choice, can move well, and can do a body release with a much more stable club face release pattern like Hovland.
@@jimgeorge72 I have video right here on my iPad showing Viktors clubface is pointing down and shaft parallel in downswing so he is a body release. I don’t know what video you’re looking at but I can email you over the videos I have showing he has his clubface down
Take a breath. I’m on your side. I know his face is pointing down. I said, what if his face was instead open or facing upward. What instruction would you give him? Would you change his release pattern or fix the open face at p6?
@@jimgeorge72 it depends on the player. Viktor wouldn’t be in that position and have an open face because his body wouldn’t allow him to get there
Do you find that having the club face more open for a roll release helps get the club in the slot easier?
Open relative to what? Square? I wouldn’t go to open otherwise you’ll struggle to close it fast enough
Totally body release. Less timing dependent to square the face and it syncs the club with my body rotation naturally.
Does your clubface match the release pattern?
totally a hands release...I feel like it's a bounce pass in basketball...been trying to learn the body release but it doesn't work for me based on your teachings
No point, if you’re a hands release player then embrace it
Calling other release body release is misleading imo. Which one you need is depending how strong your grip is and how your wrists are set at top of the swing. Just go with one that feels natural and adjust wrist set if you start see too much curvature in ball flight. I call my swing "free flow" just letting it come naturally without too much thinking.
That’s what I said. Clubface determines your release. Grip & wrist conditions play the biggest role in determining clubface. We’re saying the same thing
@@Gilesgillgolf I mean that it should be called like underhand release Vs roll release.
@@oolaspalmas some people including myself do call it that
My club face is vertical …..so I must be half and half 🤷♂️😂
Toe up is a roll release pattern
I am senior player. Often when hitting short to mid-irons, I combine roll release AND body release and the result is a large draw. Sometimes I will roll release, and because of tired body, the body release stops halfway and also end up with a bad draw. It seems that controlling your body release or not body release is more important than whether you are open or closed face.
I’d say find one and stick with it but watch my seniors release video
Half way through I was about to add a comment that a roll release might be better for senior golfers with restricted rotation -and then you covered it ! Such comprehensive instruction presented so clearly visually and verbally is extremely rare on UA-cam. Keep it up Giles 🫡
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video
Does the same body release swing apply to driver as I struggle with it using body but fine with irons
Yes the same