For me weirdly the scene I connect with the most here is Will getting that probably subpar vending machine ice cream at 11pm as his treat of the day. Anybody who has ever been on a political campaign can relate to this so much. The rare quiet moments, almost profound in their mundane nature, where you catch yourself briefly wondering why the hell you're working 18 hours a day at shit pay and sleeping in crappy motels in unfamiliar electorates, and missing the things you love in life.
It's that, and the campaign office in a former sporting goods store that get me the most. My first job in politics was with a House campaign run out of a former dentist's office.
The link between the song and visuals is perfect, the word desire while Donna steals a glance at Josh, The Santos' gaze lovingly at each other... Will must really want that ice cream.
Love this ending, love the episode (and the candidates, specifically Vinnick and Santos) What a great show the West Wing was, I wish so much that it was still on! The song just evokes so much emotion coupled with the end scene....love it
Good choice using this song to end this episode. A lot of people have said that after Sorkin left, West Wing went down hill. I have to disagree. I think what happened was as cast members scattered(Rob Lowe leaving and the Santos/Vinick campaign starting) the group original dynamic was missing. Still, this show was excellent from start to finish.
If anyone is curious about the scene with Will at the vending machine, I'm not exactly sure what the writers might have been trying to say, but I do know that carnations in their various forms are said to classically symbolize love in it's various forms. From the context in the scene, it seems to mean something about love suddenly popping up in unexpected places. For Will in particular it may symbolize his lack of a life outside his work. Or maybe he's just mulling an unthinking machine plucking him a carnation and the symbolism in that. Interesting to think about, though.
I remember hearing this song on the end of a House episode and wondering where the hell I had heard it before. I should have known. The answer to all questions is the West Wing
Yes it is. Recently listened to Eagles MTV Live. A song started to playing & I thought, I know this music. In a second I laughed & said “Somebody’s Going to Emergency, Somebody’s Going to Jail. Not only did WW use their music, that was the name of the episode. Someone really liked The Eagles.
I like the scene before this where Santos and Vinick sit down and talk Policy where they were probably deciding on what Cabinet positions they'd put the other in given the chance
It did change after season 4 but I don't think season 5 was bad. I liked the shutdown & going up to the hill, & Gaza & Memorial Day were priceless coz of the Josh/Donna storyline. What annoyed me was Leo being way too hard on Josh & going against Bartlet, & Kate & the other blonde were redundant. & Toby was washed down. Seasons 6 & 7- not as strong but still good. Toby really is a sore spot there, but again, the J/D story made it great. The problem was the distance between the characters. Sad.
@grumpytosnowwhite They did correct that edge in 7 though. 7 is probably my favourite (between that and 2 anyway), especially with Alan Alda involved. Also, to clarify, I still liked 5 and 6, I just disliked the change in tone a bit. For example, I don't see Leo ever not backing Bartlett (big fall out over Israel), or Bartlett sacking Leo (the aftermath). For me those were bit mistakes. To me, it was a plot device to give a female a more prominent position in the show (CJ promotion).
@grumpytosnowwhite It's funny, of all their decisions in the latter series, that one rankles me the least. Toby did always have a higher-than-thou sense of being right to him. Don't get me wrong, if they'd never done it, I wouldn't have missed it, but it was definitely going to be a divisive moment among the old-school fans. Not least because in his own way he was quite a comical outlet with his rants, and you saw him much less on screen post-sacking.
@grumpytosnowwhite I don't think S5 was as bad as that. Certainly the weakest in the series, but there were plenty of good moments: "Shutdown", "Slow News Day", "An Khe", "The Supremes" and "Memorial Day" were all excellent episodes. What S5 lacked was a thread among the plots. Each episode stood much more in isolation. That said, S5-7 lacked the charm of S1-4, I think mostly because the new writers decided conflict among characters was the way forward, which I didn't like so much.
Try it. It's painfully awkward, like Bizarro West Wing. Leo wouldn't have acted that way towards CJ, and I don't think Will would have taken that job. There were a few episodes I liked, but overall, season 5 really was a low point. I guess it was because Sorkin had just left. Did you like Studio 60? I did.
@mistalizad A BIT? No way! More like A LOT! It turned into ER after Sorkin left. Don't get me wrong I still think TWW is the best show ever to grace the screen but why they have 87 awards? It was all Sorkin and in his time. Wells did a fine job, considering the situation he was left, but had Sorkin stayed they'd have over 100 awards and probably won more than 4 in a row (best Series) awards. 'A bit' in an UNDERSTATEMENT.
One of the few post-Sorkin good episodes. When he and Rob left everyone starting acting out of character. Richard Schiff actually came up with his own backstory, where Toby was actually covering for his brother, because he would have never betrayed Bartlet like that. At least Vinick was a good character. That witless CIA woman wasn't, though. Should have been sent to Mandyville.
Will really had a DESIRE for that ice cream. LMFAO
For me weirdly the scene I connect with the most here is Will getting that probably subpar vending machine ice cream at 11pm as his treat of the day.
Anybody who has ever been on a political campaign can relate to this so much. The rare quiet moments, almost profound in their mundane nature, where you catch yourself briefly wondering why the hell you're working 18 hours a day at shit pay and sleeping in crappy motels in unfamiliar electorates, and missing the things you love in life.
Yeah, working to further the career of lying snakes, how stupid can you get eh?
It's that, and the campaign office in a former sporting goods store that get me the most.
My first job in politics was with a House campaign run out of a former dentist's office.
Sorkin should do a tv series about a presidential campaign from beginning to end. Sort of a Primary Colors tv series.
They more or less did that with Santos.
The link between the song and visuals is perfect, the word desire while Donna steals a glance at Josh, The Santos' gaze lovingly at each other...
Will must really want that ice cream.
WEST WING, GREATEST TV SHOW EVER!!!
Love this ending, love the episode (and the candidates, specifically Vinnick and Santos) What a great show the West Wing was, I wish so much that it was still on! The song just evokes so much emotion coupled with the end scene....love it
Josh says thank you to the automated message. Nice.
He's at least being courteous.
Good choice using this song to end this episode. A lot of people have said that after Sorkin left, West Wing went down hill. I have to disagree. I think what happened was as cast members scattered(Rob Lowe leaving and the Santos/Vinick campaign starting) the group original dynamic was missing. Still, this show was excellent from start to finish.
@1:26 Who else thinks Vinick is gonna start thumping out the harmonica solo
Literally every time I watch this scene, I think that it's him playing the harmonica. I'm so glad to see that I'm not the only one.
If anyone is curious about the scene with Will at the vending machine, I'm not exactly sure what the writers might have been trying to say, but I do know that carnations in their various forms are said to classically symbolize love in it's various forms. From the context in the scene, it seems to mean something about love suddenly popping up in unexpected places. For Will in particular it may symbolize his lack of a life outside his work. Or maybe he's just mulling an unthinking machine plucking him a carnation and the symbolism in that. Interesting to think about, though.
@SchwarzeWitwe2 Season 5 was definitely a regrouping season after Sorkin left. Six and Seven they found the voice again and kicked it into high gear.
I remember hearing this song on the end of a House episode and wondering where the hell I had heard it before.
I should have known.
The answer to all questions is the West Wing
Yes it is. Recently listened to Eagles MTV Live. A song started to playing & I thought, I know this music. In a second I laughed & said “Somebody’s Going to Emergency, Somebody’s Going to Jail. Not only did WW use their music, that was the name of the episode. Someone really liked The Eagles.
I like the scene before this where Santos and Vinick sit down and talk Policy where they were probably deciding on what Cabinet positions they'd put the other in given the chance
Thanks for posting, I love this ending!
IT HURTS SO GOOD
have you ever wondered why we say thank you to a prerecorded wakeup call?
amazing end to a great episode. i love alex graves.
It did change after season 4 but I don't think season 5 was bad. I liked the shutdown & going up to the hill, & Gaza & Memorial Day were priceless coz of the Josh/Donna storyline. What annoyed me was Leo being way too hard on Josh & going against Bartlet, & Kate & the other blonde were redundant. & Toby was washed down. Seasons 6 & 7- not as strong but still good. Toby really is a sore spot there, but again, the J/D story made it great. The problem was the distance between the characters. Sad.
When Vinnick is mouthwashing it looks like he's about to break into the hermonica
@grumpytosnowwhite They did correct that edge in 7 though. 7 is probably my favourite (between that and 2 anyway), especially with Alan Alda involved. Also, to clarify, I still liked 5 and 6, I just disliked the change in tone a bit. For example, I don't see Leo ever not backing Bartlett (big fall out over Israel), or Bartlett sacking Leo (the aftermath). For me those were bit mistakes. To me, it was a plot device to give a female a more prominent position in the show (CJ promotion).
With no secrets, no obsessions..
ryan adams one of the greatest songwriters
@grumpytosnowwhite It's funny, of all their decisions in the latter series, that one rankles me the least. Toby did always have a higher-than-thou sense of being right to him. Don't get me wrong, if they'd never done it, I wouldn't have missed it, but it was definitely going to be a divisive moment among the old-school fans. Not least because in his own way he was quite a comical outlet with his rants, and you saw him much less on screen post-sacking.
@filegirl I definitely agree!
@grumpytosnowwhite I don't think S5 was as bad as that. Certainly the weakest in the series, but there were plenty of good moments: "Shutdown", "Slow News Day", "An Khe", "The Supremes" and "Memorial Day" were all excellent episodes. What S5 lacked was a thread among the plots. Each episode stood much more in isolation.
That said, S5-7 lacked the charm of S1-4, I think mostly because the new writers decided conflict among characters was the way forward, which I didn't like so much.
@jimbobjimminy Me and my boyfriend keep seeing the characters in other shows, which often leads to lots of confusion!
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Try it. It's painfully awkward, like Bizarro West Wing. Leo wouldn't have acted that way towards CJ, and I don't think Will would have taken that job.
There were a few episodes I liked, but overall, season 5 really was a low point. I guess it was because Sorkin had just left.
Did you like Studio 60? I did.
@mistalizad A BIT? No way! More like A LOT! It turned into ER after Sorkin left. Don't get me wrong I still think TWW is the best show ever to grace the screen but why they have 87 awards? It was all Sorkin and in his time. Wells did a fine job, considering the situation he was left, but had Sorkin stayed they'd have over 100 awards and probably won more than 4 in a row (best Series) awards. 'A bit' in an UNDERSTATEMENT.
The clock reads 5:46... what happened to hotel standards eh?
One of the few post-Sorkin good episodes. When he and Rob left everyone starting acting out of character. Richard Schiff actually came up with his own backstory, where Toby was actually covering for his brother, because he would have never betrayed Bartlet like that. At least Vinick was a good character. That witless CIA woman wasn't, though. Should have been sent to Mandyville.
Season 5 was pretty.. eh. I can't watch "Constituency of One," NO ONE is acting like themself.