Ranking all the Johto Gym Leaders from Easiest to Hardest
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- So a while back I went and ranked all of the Gym Leaders from Red and Blue from easiest to hardest and you guys seemed to really be into that, so I figured I would revisit the concept today and tackle the gym leaders from Johto. Usually with gym leaders there is this idea that they get progressively more difficult as you move through your gym challenge, but that really is not always the case. I’m taking a few things into consideration when I rank these leaders such as the Pokemon you’ll be up against vs the selection of Pokemon you have available to you at that point in the game, as well as the moves available to you vs the moves on their Pokemon. Even if a gym leader has Pokemon over level 40, that doesn’t exactly mean they’re harder to beat than an early game gym leader with a level 14 that might just be pretty tough for that part of the game. Let’s waste no more time and figure out just who is the most difficult in all the land west of Kanto.
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Mystic :morty can be beaten easily
Me having flashbacks of mortys pokemon putting my pokemons on sleep and he using dream eater on them
Morty is more of an annoying gym leader than a hard one
@@Hamanuna that's true but he isn't easier than falkner morty is harder than falkner and bugsy in my opinion
He is only easy if you have a psychic. Which there are plently to get, I just think it quite a dumb think to put morty as one of the easiest because you can get a counter pokemon, but dont include his move list, but list whitney and claire high on the list with an counter pokemon you can get nearby but listed their move set as reason to say they are harder.
**Vietnam flashbacks**
I swept morty with feraligatr
How many times can Morty’s F#%#% Gengar hit hypnosis?!
Gengar: Yes
Yeah, I feel like the NPC's usually bypass the hit/miss ratio, or at least it's more skewed in their favour.
It's the same with Poliwrath's Hypnosis in Chuck's gym. Especially in the remakes.
Classic weeaboo comment
hypnosis is so op they decided to nerf it in later generations
Bro I battled Blue and his Gyarados kept using Counter and I used almost all my full restores and revives hoping it would stop. I had 60 full restores it was insane. In my second rematch I changed my strategy and used Maggie the magenton who was 12 levels under Gyarados and they pulled through and knocked it out with a single Discharge.
Here's how you beat Johto like a pro:
Choose Cyndaquil --> Only train Cyndaquil --> Rek everything with grossly over-leveled Typhlosion --> Profit
Miltank use Rollout
@@thousandyardgavri2785
Miltank: Omae wa mou shindeiru.
Quliava: NANI??
Clair would like to know your location.
Nah
Use feligator alone
Surf
Dragon claw
Crunch
Ice punch
Hard when Typhlosion doesnt learn it until lvl 60 tho
Actually, the Machop you trade for is female, so Attract isn't an issue.
@@carstensimao1934 no, Gamefreak made it female to counteract Miltank's attract.
Ur wrong it is a 1/4 chance to get female machop
@@gabrielchua5797 no, it will ALWAYS be female.
It’s hard to get a male Machop all the way to Machoke
Don’t you have to trade a female drowzee to get a female machop?
Morty is even easier when you realize that noctowl breaks this gym by not be affected by almost all their moves and having confusion at this point in the game
@Harry Kelly not in Gen 2. And it was psyquic type which was inmune to ghosts back then in Gen 1
@Harry Kelly Dark is immune to Psychic, not Ghost.
Guys...noctowl is a normal flying..it could take care of Morty's gym easily
@@mcnugget8927 I know.
@@mastermindcow6210 yeah...but almost everyone thinks Noctowl is a psychic type
I agree with Claire, I lost my last Nuzlocke to that friggen Kingdra.
Thrash*
Nuzlocke?
@@jaycharleston2570 bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Nuzlocke_Challenge
@@calar8 would it have been easier to say the definition of the word
My condolences
6:52 In Johto the seventh gym leader has level 30 Pokémon, In Galar the third gym leader has level 30 Pokémon
Pedro Novais Ye but you are getting badges for two regions
I know it's semantics but actually the third gym leader in Galar's highest leveled Pokemon is 27.
Pyrce is an absolutely bizarre 7th gym leader been the same levels as the 5th gym leader and way lower than the 6th gym leader
I had a level 48 Cinderace
It's because Johto is the longest Pokemon game
For Clair’s gym, I just used my Lapras to take out her Dragonairs and used Perish Song to take out her Kingdra
Edit: Thanks for the likes, my first comment to reach the triple digits
Hi five bro✋
👏👏👏
I used my Quilava for 1st dragonair, heracross for 2nd dragonair, 3rd dragonair by Ampharos and wobuffet for Kingdra.
I used vaporeon's aurora beam and scizor with gengar for clair.
I used my Gyarados with twister to sweep her team
Me: oh ok a miltank.... alright.. pretty weak...
Whitney: *YOU UNDERESTIMATE MY POWER*
*slices legs*
I warned you not to try that.
@@jeffreygao3956her miltank: use rollout
Am i the only person who didnt have trouble with miltank?
Milatank in gold/silver is a lot harder than in HG/SS
@@milanbeerepoot4260 There are a few players who beat her on first try by spamming rage. I never spammed rage against her. I did have a hard time against her. I find her easier when using a fighting type pokemon against her, but it does not make her instantly easy.
Milktank used rollout
*VITENAM WAR FLASHBACKS
Honestly, I think Attract causes more problems at that gym.
funny
Miltank **Used Rollout**
Me: *Vietnam War Flashbacks*
Oh boy, Chuck was far from being the easiest gym leader for me when I was a kid.
I remember you needed to push the boulders with strength in a specific order. I was too stupid to figure it out so I saved INSIDE the gym and tried few times and restarted if I failed.
On second attempt I thought I figured it out but I was wrong and I accidentally saved with boulders placed in a way that didn't allow the further progression.
I was so mad I thought I will need to run the whole game again because my save was corrupted and bugged because I can't move the boulders anymore.
Stupid 9-year-old me didn't know that exiting and reentering the gym restarts the boulders' setting. I didn't know about this and gave up on the game for two months...
F
F
oof
yeah he was way harder than jasmine, swept her team with just feraligatr
Damn feels bad bruh
For me it's:
Chuck - honestly Chuck for me was more of just a rival and not a gym leader, I swiped his team with my half dying pokemon
Bugdsy-easy as well, same as Chuck
Pryce-I don't remember much about this guy other than the fact that he was super easy
Frankler-The only thing that was annoying me was gust, which rekt my chikorita
Jasmine-She was pretty easy, I don't see why people find her challenging
Clair-She can be annoying, and her team is pretty tough
Morty-Shadow ball swiped my team
Whitney- *_Miltank_*
Jasmine was challenging to me when I mostly stuck with using my flying type pokemon, and it's not good against her pokemon. I remember playing the game cartridge with a dry save battery, and I used a Game Shark to save my place, and I even decided some of my pokemons with Game Shark codes. I do not know what happens, but somehow, I got beat by her. Maybe, I used the wrong pokemon against her.
The Gen. IV remakes of the Johto games actually give Jasmine the strongest level of all Johto leaders in the Fighting Dojo teams, as her Steelix reaches 62; only Blue of Kanto, who's already past there with his Gym team, exceeds that
As someone who played Heart Gold again and just defeated Claire today, I can confirm that this list is 100% accurate
@Zero except for Whitney being in number 2
Number 1: that damn milktank
That moment when you come to see if either clair or whitney will be higher
Also, can you do a hgss version of this list?
I thoght whitney was the hardest
Mortimer and Chuck are harder on HGSS (and Pryce is a joke in both versions).
I feel like morty would be hard if only he had a variety of different ghost types
Count Dooku I can thank that could be a case if he came back in a future game he could have some ghost types from direct regions
@@toypikachutheoctoling6029 just wait in the remakes of pokemon diamond and pearl he comes with a lv 90 Giratina
Count Dooku oh no well actually if you managed to get one of the dragon legendary of diamond and pearl
"I agree. More powerful Morty would be if better variety of ghost type Pokémon existed in Gen 2, I believe."
FYI, I'm far a bigger Star Wars fan than I am of Pokémon.
@@andrewkatz5689 me too
He didn't even talk about magmar for Pyce and Jasmine D:
For HG and SS, Chuck is still the easiest because he just constantly spams focus punch which, if you attack, is always interrupted. It's pretty funny actually.
Someone had a very hard time against Chuck, but Chuck was easy to me. Someone disagreed when I mentioned that Chuck was easy for me, and he/she thinks that I was lying. That person is an expert at Pokémon and a pokemon genius, so he/she thinks he/she knows how everyone played pokemon, and how they had an easy time or hard time against a gym leader.
I had a hard time against Chuck because his Poliwrath kept out speeding and hitting with hypnosis, so focus punch did in fact keep hitting me. A lot.
I didn’t really understand how berries worked back then
For vs Jasmine you can also have a nidoking. He has double kick, for the magnimite, and you can teach him surf vs steelix.
My personal order from easiest to hardest
1. Faulkner
2. Chuck
3. Pryce
4. Bugsy
5. Clair
6. Morty
7. Jasmine
8. Whitney
Mine (from easiest to hardest) is:
1. Chuck
2. Pryce
3. Faulkner
4. Morty
5. Bugsy
6. Jasmine
7. Clair
8. Whitney
Whitney is the only one I still find potentially problematic nowadays. :D Since I'm a Chikorita kind of guy, Bugsy can be tricky af for me, too, but Pryce and Chuck are a joke. :D
4Tom4lepus4 ikr? How tf was price number 5 on his list
Mine would have to go
Pryce
Falkner
Chuck (I swear dynamic punch never misses with this man)
Bugsy
Morty
Jasmine
Whitney
Clair
LegendaryQuartz Gaming u found jasmine hard🤣
@@jongamingjongaming5564 my Feraligatr doesn't do well against Magnemite
Milktank: You took everything away from me.
Kingdra: I don't even know who you are.
In Soul Silver I had trouble with Whitney, Bugsy, Clair, and Morty. The other gyms I can deal with.
Do you think you'll do one for HeartGold and SoulSilver if/when you get around to it?
he should do a hoenn one first i think
BoostGlitch 357 Yeah, I assumed he’d be going in game order so hoenn then sinnoh then back to Johto
@@dorkra7007 yeah true. But what about fire red and leaf green?
BoostGlitch 357 I just forgot about it
7:19 Mystic, you do know that Seel isn’t even an Ice type.
Mans probably played the cyndaquil route and still messed up on an easy gym
the only reason i didnt have difficulties with jasmine is quagsire
Morty in SS is definitely the hardest. Gengar's Shadow Ball one shots everything.
How I had to win against him in ss: use the Togepi the egg from professor elm, drop it off at the day care, and then don’t pick it up until you have cleared all trainers in morty’s gym except for north himself. By this time, it should have extrasensory and metronome. Morty will be stuck doing shadow balls and sucker punches after using hypnosis, and just spam away at metronome or extrasensory.
He was the only gym leader I lost to
Definitely agree with Clair. I think I lost to bugsy twice. With a quilava. That Fury cutter is no joke. Morty was actually pretty difficult too. I had to battle him twice and I barely won.
My Feraligatr back in the day was able to sweep Jasmine without being overleveled. Just had to take a heal break when Steelix popped out.
I wonder who will be number 1 🙄
Edit: okay number 2 lol
Ok *all johto gym leaders are hard in the remakes* thank you
well no but actually no
@@jamie3419 yea Whitney is the hardest Clair is so easy and you can get gyaradose and destroy her whole team
Let me just put up that Clair was WAY more difficult in HG/SS thanks to a new addition to her team that made ice types obsolete. Man I still have nightmares from that Gyarados ripping apart my Scyther, Typhlosion and even taking a Thunderbolt from my Jolteon...
Leaders from easiest to hardest
8.falkner
7.chuck
6.pryce
5.morty
4.bugsy
3.jasmine
2.whitney
1.clair
Also wish me luck I’m doing a starter only run, and I’m near where Clair is
I definitely agree with Clair. Her and Whitney were the only gym leaders in Johto to beat me, and Clair got me more than Whitney. Yeah Ice helps with her Dragonairs but her Kingdra always made me utilize most if not all of my team
7:15 seel is actually pure water so it's not very effective
Edit:also you can pick up a magmar at burned tower I think
Like you think it was obvious Whitney would be in top 2
Nah
I disliked
The fact that there are only four gym leader Pokémon that are from the new johto dex is the craziest thing ever. It almost seems like they were trying to avoid the new Pokémon.
Great vid man, subbed 👍
Please continue these, they're great.
I remember going through Johto with ease with my Bayleef and Kadabra. Kadabra was op because it got Confusion (later Psyquic) and the three elemental punches. It destroyed everything in its path. Then I wanted to do an only Johto pokémon run. Oh my Lord Arceus, what a bad idea that was...
Best recommend you grab that low chance teddiursa in dark cave. Trust me it dominates playthroughs. Herracross and donphan are good competetive pokemon but not good on a playthrough.
I had to sacrifice a Bellsprout which died to miltanks rollout in a nuzlocke 4 years ago. I still have PTSD flashbacks about that.
I struggled with Morty quite a bit actually. His pokemon were always faster than mine and his hypnosis would never miss 🙄 I had to trade some higher leveled mons from another game just to beat him.
I feel like you forgot about Magmar being able to be caught in the burned tower
I like how mysticumbreon also had guides for the gym leaders
For the First gymleader you can trade a Bellsprout for a Onix 👍 Onix is also good for the second and the third Gym. With Sand Attack you can easily disturb Miltank ✌️
I can tell you one thing the one mascot you have, umbreon can sweep through anything, swept whitney and clair easily, and being level 37 took down 46 nidoqueen and kangaskhan of giovanni in celebi event:- Taunt,Curse,Yawn,Payback.
I always relied on my shiny Gyarados ice fang to deal with those dragonair
He is talking about Gold and Silver games in this video. Back then, Ice Fang didn't exist and the best counter against Clair was to train the lvl 20 Lapras you could catch on Fridays at Union Cave until it reached lvl 36 and learned Ice Beam.
You can trade a Bellsprout for an Onix for the first gym.
And get a geodude in dark cave before 1st gym
Geodude is clearly the better choice because it's much stronger.
My own personal experience of easiest to hardest I would go:
- Pryce (He is way too under levelled for the 7th gym)
- Faulkner (Under levelled even for the 1st gym)
- Chuck (Just an easy fight)
- Bugsy (2 bad Pokémon and Scyther isn’t too difficult)
- Jasmine (Higher levels that the 7th gym some reason. Magnemites Thunder Wave is annoying and Steelix goes down to Surf)
- Morty (Curse is annoying and Gengar is pretty tough)
- Clair (About right as the final gym and probably harder than the first 3 of the Elite Four)
- Whitney (Metronome unpredictable and Miltank is a beast)
In gen 2 since abilities don’t exist, my sandslash made easy work of the ghost entire gym, just had to go back and forth to the Pokémon center for dig PP
You should just do this type of list for all the gym leaders in every region. Even though our opinions may be different, I do enjoy watching these lists.
I agree Claire was hard af.
Kanto top 3 gym leaders: 1. Sabrina 2.Misty 3. Erika
Johto top 3 gymleaders: 1.Clair 2.Whitney 3. Jasmine
Girls are just nightmare.
And I love them for it!
There is an easier way for Falkner, just catch Bellsprout and trade it for Onix, that way you won't have to detour for Geodude.
Which top three regions have your favorite gym leaders overall?
Dude bayleef , is OBJECTIVELY the best pick for pryce, ALL of his pokemon are weak to grass and also ALL of his pokemon have a move that's super effective against fire
U can beat Morty with Togetic and extrasensory (in HGSS) but in GSC u can still use Noctowl
Hey warning this is long but it is a full region worth of gym leaders and there teams.
New region idea. Based around music with each gym leader being based on a certain type. Something potentially really cool is to make the gyms music change style based on the gyms style.
Gym one
Leader:Eric
Style: electro music
Type: electric
Puzzle: a panel path memory puzzle. The proper path is revealed then taken away. Walk the proper path to avoid damage and a battle. All the panels must be done in succession.
Team:pikachu
Electross( ace)
Gym two
Leader billy
Style: country
Puzzle: idk (please leave ideas for a country gym)
Team: lilleep
Boldore (ace)
Gym 3
Leader hoops and hip hop
Style: hip hop
Type fire
Puzzle:changing maze of fire
Team: flechinder
Magmar
Quilava(ace)
Gym 4
Leader penny
Style folk style
Type: ground
Puzzle: sneaking around taurous for a mill tank tip (joke on cow tippin)
Team: stunfish,
bastiodon,
mudsdale (ace)
Gym five
Leader jamie
Style rock
Type: fighting
Puzzle: combo blocker (like hammer bro from Mario party DS)
Team:
Hipmon lee
Hipmon Chan
Sawk (ace)
Gym 6
Leader Sarah
Style symphonic
Type steal
Puzzle: Layered pipe maze
Team: magmaton
Magmazone
Stealix
Bisharp(ace)
Gym7
Leader konijave
Type bug
Style tribal
Type insect( could be rock with a team of all fossils)
Team: galvantula
Araquanid
Golisopod
Volcorona (ace)
Gym 8
Leader Cody(the older brother of the protagonist)
Style jazz
Type poison
Team drapion
Nidoking
Salazal
Gengar (ace)
All the leaders can challenge for your champion title randomly with full teams of 6 keeping the same type.
Man mystic ur the best
UGH. I had a lot of trouble with Chuck as a kid. Hypnosis and Dynamic Punch (which didn't feel like it missed half the time when I was a kid!) were a deadly combination. I remember having to retry against Morty a few times, too.
And Falkner was tough for me with Cyndaquil! Mud Slap was super effective against my team that I thought would be great for the birds: Gastly, Cyndaquil, Geodude...so much for coming in with type advantages in mind! lol
Bugsy was a good preview for Whitney: Don't let Scyther build up Fury Cutter just like you shouldn't let Milktank build up Rollout.
I found Jasmine and Pryce really easy, on the other hand. I think I was using Raticate's Super Fang to cut down the health, and then most of the other Pokemon could usually take out the other half of their health.
For Clair's gym I was so scared that I leveled my team to level 45-50. My ampharous ended up one-shoting.
Make from Sinnoh next.
Love your videos
I don’t consider Clair to be stronger than Whitney’s disgusting Miltank because you go more prepared for Clair but for Whitney you have less options and even with the Machop she can auto-heal with Milk Drink, immobilize you with atract or flinch you and that thing is out speeding most of the time so your best shot is to try lowering her defense as much as you can resist and then use an powerful physical attack
With the Ghost types i just got my Meowth to bite them all xD did a well done job :)
In hgss Chuck's Primeape had, if I remember correctly, sand attack and focus punch. He gave me some trouble.
This makes me want to get heart gold to try the game again as an adult because god damn did Chuck give me a hard time. Kinda curious if it was because I sucked at the games or if it was due to my young age when the OG gen 2 games came out
Also you can go down from Falkner and get a mareep which helps a lot
One thing to note, Chuck's Poliwrath has mind reader for 100% accurate dynamic punches so if you can't take him out quickly it can really be a pain with that
7:17 seel is a pure water type so it’ll resist quilavas fire type attacks
I remember fighting Chuck when I first played Pokemon when I was 8. My Seaking vs. his Poliwrath. Poliwrath was trying to use Hypnosis but it just kept missing. Then he finally used Mind Reader, and I SWEAR he tried using Hypnosis after that and it missed again. And there I was, spamming Horn Attack until I finally took him out lol
Actually, for the Dragonite, you can have it on the Casino of where there is the Champion of normal Pokemon.
How about the Onix you can get in a trade in violet city? He should be good for the first two gyms and if you're able to evolve it into a Steelix couldn't he be useful in later gym battles?
I know that this question is off topic but what if drednaw and boltund were on the best teams in sword and shield and what moves would be the best for them to do in both games
Regarding Price, wouldnt you be able to obtain Magmar in the burnt tower?
One time Whitney's clefairy used metronome and incinerated my Heracross. I wasn't even mad anymore.
For someone who was a Meganium stan at the time, I had to find a good fire option - you can get Magmar at the Burnt Tower.
Does this also work with HeartGold/SoulSilver? Or just the Gen 2 games?
I hear Morty now goes on sci-fi adventures with his grandpa.
lol
The fact that Falkner and Bugsy were pushovers were the reason Whitney is infamous. She destroyed our confidence. And the relief after u beat her. The next gym leaders were easy af except maybe Claire
I must say, this is a very calculated approach to difficulty. I can appreciate that for what it's worth.
I remember when I was a kid, my difficulties from easiest to hardest were: Falkner, Pryce, Chuck, Jasmine, Claire, Bugsy, Morty, and Whitney. I always picked Cyndaquil, too. Whitney needs no introduction, but Morty with his super fast Gengar's Hypnosis/Dream Eater combo (and the rest of his team cursing me), Bugsy's powerful Scyther (even using Quilava was tricky when I was little), and Chuck for some reason being difficult with that powerful Poliwrath hit, made things difficult for me. I also definitely never wanted to use Kadabra because I had no friends and couldn't evolve it, lol.
I will also say that there's really no mention of any strategy here besides type advantages and some mild talk of stats. Steelix can go down with any good special attacker. Kingdra can be paralyzed or toxic-ed. Pryce has literally never been an issue using any decent strategy with electric and fire types, and his whole team is wicked slow. I'm getting pretty sick of PokeTubers defaulting to talking solely about type advantages. I mean even when I was a kid I knew how to toxic-stall! There's so much more to Pokemon than just types.
Oh no. Visions of the Goldenrod City Gym and that infernal cow beast are invading my mind!
Can't argue 1 and 2 tbh. Pretty sure my typhlosion from gen 2 is still waking up in cold sweats from the ptsd that Miltank gave him.
Please do hoenn next
Thank you!
Love your videos
I played heartgold and morty was actually pretty hard for me(because grinding was TEDIOUS in generation 4)
What about Magmar from the Burned Tower? Wouldn't it be a decent Fire-Type alternative, despite its low Defense stat, but high Spcl Attk stat, and access to Thunderpunch and ability to learn Sunny Day? Remember, Electric attacks were all Spcl Attk before the Physical/Special offensive split in Gen 4.
Gyarados resists Kindra’s water moves, very similar speed stats mean you can possibly bite and with flinchs or just use twister or dragon rage if you want dragon. Plus you have to encounter at least one to get here in the story.
True heros just use Wobbufett though. Countering a hyper beam is usually an instakill and so satisfying
I took on Whitney with my Haunter, Stan Lee. Hypnosis and Curse were my bread and butter here
Another way to take on Chuck is using flying types as well
The stats for the Pokémon only applies when the Pokémon is level 50 or 100 counting on which part you read
the best option for Falkner is a level 11 geodude? i used a level 9 mareep with thundershock, and it was easy because mud slap is weak (i think i got lucky that mareep didn't miss)
For me Bugsy was one of the hardest gym leaders.
Mind you this was the earliest memory of Pokémon I have, and I didn’t know the Type Matchups.
I had chosen Chikorita, and obviously, I used it the most. And the rest of my team was miscellaneous Pokémon like Spearow and Zubat. But like I said, didn’t know the Type Chart.
It took me a solid month or two to beat Bugsy with the help of a friend of mine. Whitney was easier for me. (Which is saying a lot)
Don't forget that you can also find a Horsea before Cianwood City with the rods
I don't recall my Chikorita having any issue breaking Falkner. Scyther's Fury Cutter however..
Do a top 10 favorite and least favorite Pokémon
I used that shiny gyarados you can find in that river cuz it is equipped with dragon moves but dragonairs electric moves did a ton
7:16 this man does know seels pure water right
I will never understand how people get so triggered over Whitney to this day. I was like 11-12 when I played Gold the first time and remember having like NO issues. Granted I think I did trade fir the Machop, but I also had Crocanaw, not Quilava, so Rollout didn't hurt as much if Machop somehow died.
I will always say, Eggxecute and poliwhirl are the mvps of Johto, great coverage and are usable in every gym if you know when to use them. Even Eggxecutor can act as a status tank later on and the poliwhirl can be traded for red gyrados. Also, Claire is only hard if you take cyndaquill which makes most of the other gyms easier
I would put the ghost gym a little bit higher, because I have already lost against him. I had literally no moves which are effective against ghost, so after I lost, I catched an Eevee and trained him to umbreon, which took me 3 days (because I had to train him in the night)
Falkner is weak to Mareep, but since you can’t get it early in at least one of the Gen 2 games, it makes sense why he’s a bit harder than Morty or Chuck.