MASSIVE DIFFERENCE After Small Mods! // GR86 Nürburgring
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
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Great thing but people registering should be aware that participation in the giveaway apparently requires an instagram account, which wasn't mentioned (or if, well hidden) on the giveaway website but I only found out later once I was asked to "confirm my email". Reason is supposedly "so we can contact you if you win", but that seems .. unlikely given that one needed to provide your email address to participate in the first place which should be sufficient to contact people I'd think.
@darmokVtS we don't ask for your credit card or instagram password. I clearly said that sharing our post is "an entry". This way we can track who actually follows the account and shared the post. If you're uncomfortable about the process - no one is forcing you to participate.
@@darmokVtS yeah it seems to me it's for influencers only so they get some advertisement in return... unfortunately I don't have instagram so I'm out..
tyres bro , just cook the ps4s till they are gone then some race tyres
Should we expect a confirmation email after confirming email and instagram? I did the steps but got no confirmation I did it correctly
It just goes to show how important little things can be. Always have the car set up properly - long before you go chasing more power.
In my front wheel drive city car I have experienced that a small change in alignment make the steering too nervous. So this is so true that alignment is an ''upgrade'' at it's own.
Another not expensive upgarde are the sway (anti-roll) bars. The handling gets a lot better.
You need to hold the traction off button for 10 seconds to fully disable it, and you will see 2 lights in the dash instead of just 1. I think you are in regular track mode where TC is only partly turned off.
Reminds me of some BMW systems. One of our instructors had to look up and explain how to take the DSC completely off in my dad's E46 M3. Involved a few steps haha
Shit, you're actually right🤦🏻♂️ didn't see the second light.
It's only about 3-5 seconds but yep. Track mode does allow alot of leeway though
agree, the most import thing on track is alignment and brakes, every season I will do brake fluid/pad and alignment, especially alignment! most people ignore how important this is, especially if you can do a corner balance alignment
Misha acquired a GR86 but the lucky winner will be getting a GR86 MR 😂
It’ll be a an MC 😂
@@RadDadisRad we need custom badges made
@@ahyaan2552 "Gr86 MC" in sticker on the both side of the car in Porsche style. 💋👍
I concur. Every vehicle I buy I do these three things after performing a baseline: brakes (pads+fluid), tires, alignment. I have always been blown away that suspension parts are really just what am i trying to fine tune or accomplish out of the vehicle.
The toe alignment is pretty similar to the one i did on my Subie - works great, but you know it already 😅
This will be a great car 😎 geting better and better.
Oh, and get the steering rack bushings for the GR as well, these are ❤😉😎👍
Would be great to see the proper camber bolts reviewed, as that is probably the next step in enjoying the GR on track, with reasonable tyre life.
To prevent engine breakdown due to a sticking crankshaft, I strongly recommend fitting a baffle plate in the oil pan and filling the oil with 6 litres of engine oil.
It's so funny you seem to censor yourself less the more fun you're having, rather than in tense moments. It's the opposite impulse as most people I think. I always enjoy seeing you have a blast around the best track!
I have been hesitating whether to get an alignment job for my stock Miata. I didn't know how much difference it is going to make, especially consider I have no intention of modifying it. After watching this I'm definitely going to have a look into alignment!
nice~ slap some RE-7RS on there! I did the same thing before coilovers. tires, RLCA and camber bolts, brake pads.
That was worth the wait!
Fun and informative lap today!🏁
I am realy surprised how much our DS3 THP 155 changed by just lowering springs from eibach and the alignment numbers of the DS3 “Racing”. So next step will be brake lines and body stiffness.👌🏻
I think the work of corner weighting helps a lot. But, not every maintenance shop could or know how to do that. Thanks for sharing👍
And now Räder Motorsport are fully booked with alignments until end of the year.
Micha,
Instead of the megane RS brake kit, try Reyland Motorsports kit with AP Racing CP9200 callipers and 330mm 2 piece discs. I have ran that setup on my GT86 for ages and it is probably the best setup to install without disturbing the brake bias.
Ivan
I guess, except engine, there might be more common with gt86 then dissimilar. If so, as you noted, car will benefit a lot from more overall negative camber (extra 0.5deg more in front for less understeery grip balance), zero toe front, slight toe in rear. As for TC long press off, probably you still have EBD and e-diff on. If you want to switch those off too to leave only basic ABS, google on pedal dance (specific handbrake/brake sequence within 30s of starting (warmed up) engine). ABS imho not worth switching off (with fuse). Apart from better fit brake pads/fluid, you may also consider adding brake ducts.
There are a hand full of 200 to 250 lb v8s based off Suzuki/Kawasaki/Yamaha engines. They're low displacement and rev to 10K. The GR86 would be perfect for one. Search JUN BRZ if you haven't seen it already. Such a clean car.
For me BBK/Steel lines, Sway bar/strut brace, and ideal tire/suspension tune is a mandatory MOD to make this car truly ideal. With a SC and ideal header+exhaust combination im sure it can be very competitive. For the range of handling/power-torque band and overall cost.
did my first lap on the ring yesterday and loved it, alot of mods need to be done to my car before i do a faster lap
don't forget driver mod! happy tracking
@@pol.86 will do hahha, been learning alot on my friends race simulator but thats nothing compared to the real deal
Traction control is not fully off in Track mode. You need to hold the other button down to turn off both esc and trac.
This dude looooves his "finger quotes"😂
I'm digging this series on the GR86. Really makes me want to get one. Keep them coming!
Glad I found this, the turn in from left to right on my GR is 'snatchy' and I was suspecting an alignment issue. I still have my GT and I actually trust it more in the corners as I know exactly what I am going to get. Didi you just realign the car to the default stock factory set up as it should be or do something else with it here.
Has there been a mention about disabling the fake engine sound? It really starts to hurt my head after a few minutes it sounds awful.
Gonna do it!
@@mgcharoudin Glad to (not) hear it. I've heard its pretty simple you pop off the side of the dash on the passenger side and unplug something. Probably a million tutorials on youtube. I am a strong anti-fan of fake engine noises. Almost nobody gets it right.
Gotta love all the smiles and laugh even a Tiny relatively inexpensive car can bring
When i upgraded my calipers to bigger ones incl. braided steel lines i noticed a much much better and faster stop, it almost feels like you hit a concrete wall... while "experts" say it does not matter how big your brakes or pads are it still have same stopping distance... i call bullsjit... i tested it multiple times and it was way more aggressive from stock to big brakes... The more surface area the better bite... which comes from my own mechanical engineering experiences even a friend who didn't know i had them upgraded asked me if i did something to the car.
And the next upgrade for me is a oil cooler (never had high temps just yet btw) and indeed a coil over set incl. an laser alignment, dunno why Manthey ask so much money it only costs 60 euro's here from a well known tyre dealer who is also involved into F1 racing.
My friend, the driving continues spot on, but when watching the videos with other cars and now with this one, it seems that you are going in slow motion 😂.
Keep up the good work Misha, congrats from Portugal.
Het is straks interessant om voordat je de nieuwe veren en dempers monteert eerst te kijken hoe de oude uitlijning zich heeft gehouden met het rijden over de curbstones.
Really exciting to see this car's development and cant wait to see it keep going. Great content Misha
And this kids just goes to show.... you DO NOT need to sell your organs for an expensive high horsepower car to enjoy it. This is where the craft becomes important, understand vehicle dynamics and more importantly ...trust yourself.
Do you have a video that goes into the specifics of what you did to the 86? really interested in learning more about mods that actually make a difference on the car. thanks!
I wonder how stable alignment values really will be with regular cars with rubber bushings. I've done them more or less regularly, but have no idea if they last.
They last tens of thousands of kms unless people drive over kerbs or kerbstones a lot, on streets or track. The usual recommendation is to realign when buying new tires.
I wonder if the BRZ doesn’t have these issues? Different suspension setup from the factory.
The 86 was tuned to have a ton of oversteer
Hey! We're on the withe Clio! Good to share the track with you!
Woohoo!
What pads did u put on. And what alignment specs did u use?
My alignment is of at least for one tire... but NBR alignment is something completely different I learn... some work left I guess before a proper visit...
only one plug and it was a mock, love this guy. definitely register for the 86
Awesome viseo, amazing to see what such a small change does to a stock car
Gr86 feel even better turbo or supercharged it really adds more fun experience driving it
Hi @Misha Charoudin, I own a new BRZ 2023 and also changed the brake lines (MANN) brake fluid ( Castrol performance), and brake pads ( HAWK DTC 70 front), feels amazing! thanks for the tips about this car appreciate it.
My main question is for you, I ordered White line camber bolts and SPC performance arms for the rear, and I changed my alignments but I had a strange feel on the track yesterday, the car is not sharp into the corner as I wanted, and the alignments I did
Front camber : -2.25R - 2.25L Front tow- +0.6R + 0.6L Rear Camber: - 2.5R - 2.5L Rear tow +0.4R +0.4L
What are your thoughts? maybe change the front tow in to tow out -0.2?
Thanks!
I can’t wait to get my GR86 😍
The brakes, just wow, they just seem to just bite so well and slow the car down pheromonally well.
And even smell good while that! 😬
How can you tell?
Do you mean "phenomenally" rather than "pheromonally"?
Saludos Misha
Cambia y limpia bien el carter inferior de aceite,asi como el pick up.
Hay un problema de fabrica,la silicona o producto que utilizaron de sello es defectuosa,se desintegra llegando a taponar el pick up.
Busca info en foros de eeuu,hay muchos casos de rotura total del motor.
Bueno videos
any problems with oilpressure with this car? i read alot of it and make sure that is true..
It is the great question. In my opinion, use 5w40 oil.
Misha, what's your GO FOR wheel alignment settings for understearing Subarus?
Toe out front
Toe in rear
Or toe out rear if you wanna play with life
Talking to the camera, dealing with slower cars, trying to feel the changes to explain them and driving the proper lines. Sure, go ahead, bust his balls on his driving skill. Thanks, Misha, looking forward to more mods. Just wish we could get lap time differences.
❤️❤️❤️
Lol, nice lap m8..Great improvement!
btw: Did you forget to unplastic your footrest? :)
Edit: haha, nice analysis with the trackside zoomed in photographs!
@@Rexax1 haha, "OCD kicked in yo!" Didn't it? ;)
Misha could you put the mod list on your website or video description?
Sure
Great improvement, Misha!!! "The life is priceless." Peace out, dude!!!
Thx for this vid! I'm planning my own mods for my first good car right now and your insights are really interesting. Btw, im planning on buying a Alfa Romeo Brera 3.2 AWD, so really unusual and maybe you will review it one day. It's not a track monster and I'm interested to see how much I can get done with mods and light weight reduction. It shall mostly stay a grand tourer, but a really sporty one.
They are awesome, I had a 159 with just a 2.2 which I took to zandvoort, could keep up /faster than many other cars in corners, check it out on my channel if you feel like it
I'd love to!
Excited* to see what the car is going to end up looking like 👍
I WILL BY A GR86 (or a brz) next spring, can't wait!!😊
whats more important with upgrading brakes? pads/discs/calibers or u usually go for a whole kit? as seen here pads improved braking performance so much.
Pads and fluid first, then rest if necessary
250 euros? Does that include some special sauce for the alignment? Because here in Canada I've been paying $140 for a car with modded suspension, you tell them the toe / camber specs you want and they do it. No where near that price. Ring tax?
Has there been any issue with loss of oil pressure, primarily in right hand turns, that some are seeing when they track the GR86?
could you share details on the car cams, front and inside views? so stable and clear
12:49am here in Australia and I was about to sleep but then Misha posted a video 🤷🏼♂️ so now I must watch
Spectating driver excuse : 🥱
Surprised by that stock alignment. Any report for Porsche that the factory alignment is off?
Love this series, seeing what difference it makes with so little adjustments gives me hope for my car 🤣
What alignment specs do you recommend for a stock BRZ /gt86 when you don’t have coilover top hats to adjust - just camber bolts?
You feel nervous because the OEM differential is Torsen type, they are really unstable, buy an aftermarket clutch pack.
Wow this is the fastest ive ever been on one of your videos. Anyways, love your 86 and your content Misha. Keep doing awesome.
Hell yeah. I’m gonna do the brakes on mine soon. Maybe some wider tires too
I always have nightmares that my brakes are fading and I keep clipping railguards from underbreaking
Alisha should record a lap with the car stock and compare it to the car when modded
What alignment specs did you use out of interest? I added some toe in at the rear (10 minutes) which definitely makes it feel more stable in high speed corners.
See yesterday's vid
Goes to show, a lot of fun is had driving a 'slow' car fast
This needs to be in the Gumball rally coming up lol
No lol
Please do the SARD Individual Throttle Conversion kits...
This car would be perfect with like 330hp imo. Perfect track weapon with useable power.
How much camber would you be aiming for, if the camber bolts were OK, on a kind of not that modified car for track? Provided you are still using regular tires/semi-slicks.
You can max out at -2.2 apparently and that would be nice
I really enjoyed watching the footwork. 😊
Proof that more power is not always the answer
Blackwing would be fun to watch
Great advice for a 86 owner. Thanks! More details on the Megan BBK. Uses adaptors?
Yes
Most 86 owners we don't notice any diference installing braided brake lines, stock ones are pretty stiff, I would save my money. You are probably noticing a change because of the less compresible brake fluid and stronger bite of the brake pads. I like to do mods one at a time so I know what does what.
Well, luckily fluid has been changed too :)
Fluids are not compressible.
Brake lines are always braided lines covered in rubber which is why most people don’t notice a big difference factory lines are braided already
@@jiriprachar1145 yes true I didn’t word it correctly! old brake fluid usually has a lot of water which will boil and this is compressible making the pedal go to the floor.
Das nächste Update sollten Reifen sein. Und bevor man ein Fahrwerk einbaut, den Stabilisator tauschen. Da wäre ich mal auf eine Einschätzung gespannt. Was bringt nur der Stabilisator?
I wish I could feel the improvements on track but maybe after I win it 😜 looking forward to the next mods!
I have been comparing the GR86 to the Subaru BRZ and it looks like the Subaru may have some advantages on suspension components. Did you look into this or are you better connected to Toyota there?
There are no BRZs here with the 2nd gen. Subaru cant afford to sell them here sadly.
WAS WAITING FOR THIS, ANOTHER BANGER LAP MISHA!!!
Speaking about alignment... Yuki on this weekend... 😂
I will be visiting NRing in July. Is it better to drive there on weekends when its open for tourist for the whole day or during weekdays but only afternoon?
Should I stay away of 30 juily because of Belgium GP or is it the perfect time to drive on ring when everyone is going to the f1? :)
🔮
@@mgcharoudin Ye I know but is it generally better to come on weekdays or weekends?
BTW I was hoping for getting a MR2 taxi drive with Apex. You don't do taxi anymore, TRAITORS :P
@@pazera66 it's really hard to say. Weekdays can be tricky as you only have 2 hours to drive. They can close the track due to accidents. Weekends are busier, but you can drive for longer, mornings and evenings are less busy.
@@mgcharoudin Thanks. It's a weekend then.
I would love to see whether there are some aerodynamics mods that actually improve the handling. I don't know how viable that is though
Wing is coming
@@mgcharoudin even some basic improvements on making the floor of the car smoother would make a lot of difference. Although most drivers won't be fast enough with this car to really benefit from actual downforce...
@@mgcharoudin Very cool to hear
I'm already see the video with petrol ped
Once you put some camber in it it's really going to fly
Thas a nice car for sure
what do 800 euro pads do that good quality 2-400 euro race pads don't?
For tax purposes, I hope Misha puts 6000km on the GR86 and only gives it away after 6 months of ownership.
its surprising how much this car can do with 0 camber in the front
Nothing better than putting newly added mods to the test
small change big difference 👍🏻
I just realized he brakes with his left foot. Is this what all racers do?
Yes, today almost all drivers are using their left foot to brake.
*Nervous about car setup after track upgrades
*Full sending 300€ Xara with plastic tyres on rain xD
Getting older and wiser😂
I could watch you drive this track all day long
Misha Gr Yaris or Gr86 for daily use and little bit of b-road fun?
Any
It`s cool to see the progress you have with this car :) i so hope i win it since my 02 civic 1.4 90hp is so worn out that it won`t stand a chance even passing inspection next year and im on welfare.
Really very interesting how much difference that makes.. But Misha, please drive careful! I really want to win my dream car in good condition😉
Hi Misha, I really want my shot on winning this but it doesn't seem like my registration and entry are working properly
I completed the steps but did not get any confirmation that I got my entry, and I really really really want to know if I am participating so I can sleep tonight