I am a directv technician. The way it operates is that all signals that touch the reflector ( large oval pan with logo) are reflected into a focal point. That focal point is where we locate the lnb. At the end of the arm. So... not only would you want to turn it around but placing it in the location of the lnb as well will definitely better your result.
LNB low-noise block down-converter. A low-noise amplifier (LNA) is an electronic amplifier that amplifies a very low-power signal without significantly degrading its signal-to-noise ratio. An amplifier increases the power of both the signal and the noise present at its input. LNAs are designed to minimize additional noise. The LNA with down converter is called a low-noise block down-converter (LNB).
Just found this video. I'm thinking you need to do a 180 with the antenna. However, you also need to find the distance from the original horn position (inches or metric) to set the most forward element at that position. Think of it more like a magnifying and you trying to burn paper and have to be at the right distance and angle to do that according to where the sun is. I'm sure that the ticket
The dish is a parabolic reflector for a 12 GHz feedhorn which you removed. The antenna you’ve installed appears to be a VHF/UHF application. Therefore the ‘dish’ reflector will provide no gain for the OTA antenna.
All you have to do is buy a 3/8 ring terminal, strip the cable to show just enough wire to crimp on the terminal, and just tighten on one of the nuts on the dish, we used one of the three on the back where you can turn the dish. Works perfectly! We got 160+ channels here in the Los Angeles area, of course we deleted a lot of them because we don’t watch them, but all of the major ones have a strong signal, 80-90+%. Way cheaper and better than any fancy antenna out there, we actually tried that RCA outdoor antenna, pointed it to the antennas and everything, total crap! Didn’t pick up channels 7-13 here in LA, we returned it!
Even turning it around it was not mounted at the focal point, plus this dish is an " offset " design. In order to point at the broadcast tower it needs to be flipped over...I'm sure it might get some stations in this configuration, but nowhere as efficient if my suggestions are not followed..speaking as a 40 yr career catv eng.
@@cblguy63 so it basically scoops from the top where the sat beam comes from and the towers not that spot so a 180° change in the scoop is more inline with the antenna? My vulcan logic tells me its even the wrong curve for focus of ota?
for ota reception the dish is actually an interference source. Mounting the contraption on its own a several feet away from the dish would actually work better
I questioned whether the dish would cause interference but I didn't want to create a new mounting surface and run additional wire. It was a trial and error process, which worked in my favor, and I used it as a mounting post like what Adon lando said
The dish is made for 11ghz . Better off with tv antenna in its place. I would guess that a very big dish is required to get any gain. And it is offset so you need mount the dish up side down to have line of site . And tv antennas that look like space ships do not work as well.
Hard to say if it will or not. The dish will simply be acting as a reflector, so the distance between antenna and reflector needs to be taken into account. In phase reflections for some frequencies (channels) will occur and you’ll get better results, but out of phase reflections will make other channels worse. The antenna definitely needs to be parallel to the ground though and not at an angle (and the dish should be 90 degrees to the ground). Since the driven element of your antenna is angled, the curve of the dish may actually help some but you do need to position it more carefully, not just jam it on there onto some convenient spot.
Strike Raid: You are on the right track, by saying that the dish needs to be 90° , from the ground. Actually, the geometry of the dish makes it necessary to point it even more angled toward the ground...in order to focus the signal, at the end of the arm. Even at 90° to the ground...the reflector is still pointed skyward.
I’m looking for a way to turn my old satellite into an antenna. This video is just describing using your old satellite base and coax connection for a new over the air antenna.
A few tips about your Directv antenna (yes, the dish is an antenna itself): Beside the 3 lock bolts on the collar, (and all bolts on DTV hd antennas are half inch, and you may want to use an impact driver to loosen them) for you model of dish, there are 2 bolts underneath what is called the AZEL and there are 2 on the side of the AZEL to make adjustments. In this story the 2 on the side are important because you may need to adjust the elevation of the ODU (out door unit). And there are 3 bolts that allow you to adjust the tilt of the dish. Now, your OTA antenna may not be too fussy bout the tilt but with the elevation you may want to bring down the feed arm so the line of sight for the VHF and UHF signal is collected a little more efficiently. And the feed arm should be pointing toward the transmission towers as best as possible. Then lock it up and you're good. And you're not really that close to your electric lines - the image is misleading. Just be careful: Plan (anticipate) the for the safe outcome of all your actions so you don't fall or electrocute yourself just for the sake of watching tv. Good luck to ya.
Kind of scary being that close to the power lines if that's what they were? My question is the mast and that existing RG6 coax already grounded by the dish installer? I think this is a great idea, because it's all done all you have to do is put antenna there with maybe an amplifier down by TV/splitter
Sir, you've provided us with a completely useless (yet entertaining) endeavor. What you've accomplished is simply remarkable, as now you've completely eliminated the desirable effects from the backside of the beam that once provided you with additional channels. Marvelous work. An example of modern thinking at its peak.
Yea the dish should work as a reflector to enhance the tv signal and the dish will reject signals behind both dish antenna and your rv antenna also should work good for fm radio, if you turn the front of the rv antenna to face the dish itl enhance the signal more than using the rv antenna alone the dish will turn your rv antenna into a directional beam antenna
If you listen and watch closely he is only showing you how to use this as a mechanical mount to hold the off-air antenna. He even wonders out loud if this "might also improve the signal" but the answer to that is no. The satellite signal these dishes are designed to receive are in the Ka band which is between 26.5 to 50 GHZ. Terrestial TV signals are in the familiar VHF & UHF MHz frequency spectrum. Although all are digital now save for perhaps a few low power stations (if they still exist), they are still an analog transmission and use a modulation technique called 8-VSB to encode the digi information on to an analog carrier. So the parabolic dish itself is actually useless for receiving and amplifying TV station signals, it is not designed for the radiation patterns used by TV stations. It could actually make your signal worse depending on whether you have a directional antenna or an omni-directional antenna by causing back reflections or ghosting. In the old days that would cause a "ghost" of the original image, with digital signals it can cause tiing/blocking or even complete drop off.
Your points are overall correct, but the dish is designed for Ku band which is 12-18 Ghz. Being only about one wavelength wide at terrestrial TV frequencies the parabolic attributes dont work any better than a simple straight surface. Ghosting won't happen if the reflector is ~1/4 wavelength or a yagi would cause them.
Biggest problem I see is that he put the tv antenna on backwards. The receiving end of the antenna should face the reflector that "gathers" more signal. Plus, he changed the focal length of the dish by mounting the antenna like he di that will make any gain less that possible. I use one of those dishes to make a directional antenna for an scanner that listens to one place only. I used a 1/4 wave antenna at 462.00 mhz placed at the correct focal length of the dish. works great. Can actually hear 2 watt hand held radios from about 3 miles away clearly. Could not pick them up with a regular antenna.
The 1/4 wave antenna at 462.00mhz is only 6" long so mounted at the correct focal length of the dish, it works much better. The original antenna for the satellite was the round plastic looking part he did away with. You have to be the same distance that was from the dish for maximum gain. You can make small antennas for different purposes that will still work. The dish is only a reflector that gathers more signal than just a small antenna and focuses it at the small antenna mounted in front of it.
The dish does nothing! He only showed how to hook up an antenna! The dish only keeps the signal stronger it doesn't actually catch a signal! The piece he removed is where the dish signal comes from.
this dish was installed wrong in the first place. I worked for directv and you NEVER install a dish next to a powerline coming in the house. its dangerous and can disrupt the signal strength. anyway directv doesnt use that dish anymore taht dish is very old.
If you say that the straight side need to face the signal then you have it backwards because it needs to face the dish otherwise the dish is useless, the purpose of the dish is to receive the signal in a wider angle by bouncing the signal of the dish to the receiver. Peace and God Bless
i closed the browser to go about my way and then searched and refound it so i could hit the like button. thanks, man. dont know why it didnt occur to me that the coax could be removed from the satellite antenna and simply mount my inside antenna onto it and reposition it so i could use the cable company's wires for cutting-the-cord purposes. my house is made of brick, so inside antennas are of slim use connectivity wise. nice hack, slash inventive thought process. LIKE
Also try the signal side of the antenna should be facing the satallite reflector then you aim the entire satallite at the stations. The Dish is what collects all signals and concentrates all to a single point aligned with the antenna. Compare the two methods
in order for a parabolic reflector to work with any appreciable gain ,it must be at least 10 wavelengths in diameter..to find the wavelength u take 936 divided by frequency in mhz..that will give you the wavelength in feet...take that figure and multiply by 10 and that is the minimum diameter a dish should be to have any gain.
@@carlosperla7233 lol if hes not tring to use that as a parabolic reflecter then why use the dish at all...i dont think u realize that im aware hes not trying to recieve satellite broadcast, he is trying to use a parabolic relector thats much too small for 3 ghz cband let alone vhf and uhf signals with a much larger wavelength...
@@carlosperla7233 heres your original msg.... Latest comments Carlos Perla replied: "You do realize he isn’t building a dish right? Nice try attempting to show how smart you are though."................................tell ya what genius, go do some reading on parabolic relectors and come back, we can talk
@@michellegrinder9484 lol. Why would research building parabolic disks. No one in this chat is talking about making dishes. It’s about the rv antenna mounted on the direct tv dish.
@@michellegrinder9484 he was just using the dish because it had an arm he could attach to. If was using it as a reflector he would have turned the antenna so the blunt end would face the dish as he said the blunt end need to face the signal. The dish as a reflector would mean the signal is coming from the dish so he would have turned the antenna. The bracket he was using could not be used on the pole. He found a way to attach it to the arm so he could not only mount it, but also turn it to whatever direction he wants.
Adon Lando that's what I'm saying right? I have a home upstate NY with an discounted Diah tv antenna. Can I do or attach anything to it to get any type of free tv?
First there's a trigonometry equation on how far away from the dish the antenna or feed horn , the device you took off needs to be. Second you need to make the dish so it's perpendicular to the earth and the antenna is level. Third do watch out for the feed wires going into your house four feet away from you it's a 220 line and it will kill you
"I'm actually wondering if the dish helped the signal" I'm guessing no, the dish/reflector is behind the antenna so it serves no purpose. I doubt that it would help even if the antenna was pointed at the dish, it's not designed to capture ota signals. It would be interesting to see if it helped though if signal strength was checked with and without the dish. But I wouldn't expect any difference. In fact, since the antenna would be pointing away from the signal source when pointed at the dish, it would probably be worse. But without a signal check we will never know.
Maybe if he turned it around and the tv station would launch their transmitter tower into a geosynchronous orbit 22,000 miles up he might pick something up. Lol
I just use my old dish network dish and use the hook up with a existing 40 dollar DVR box from Walmart and hook it up I got over 200 channels some movies ones too. They get more channels too, and it’s all HD.
Check out Danny Hodges here on YT. He is long winded an has trouble staying focused. But he shows you how to make a really good antenna. It the bow type, If I can make one you can to. It works good, I am about 45 miles from Atlanta an can get most of the Atlanta stations. The antenna is about 30 ft high.
Very surprised if this setup works at all. The whole point of the dish is to capture the signal and aim it at the LNB. Which is set at a critical distance. You can’t just place it where you think because it’s convenient. What he is doing here is placing the back end of his sensor (antenna) to the dish. Thereby eliminating the dish all together.
Im.glad someone pointed out the blunt side not facing the dish. Thankful for ppl.trying to help.other ppl. The gentleman in video was just trying to help people the other way she facing the dishes what I always thought the dish should be like and it was a little too long and the title was a little misleading but thank you for attempting to help Hope you only take it as constructive criticism
You dont need to do any of this. All i did was take a satellite dish and take off all of the electronic parts that make the satellite dish work and move around. After i did that all i had left was just a big round piece of metal and i drilled a couple of holes in the middle of the dish grabbed a coax cable and cut some of yhe rubber and exposed the metal pin and wrapped that around the holes a couple of times then put a small piece of metal over the holes and mounted that on the round dish part. Plugged the other end in the tv and i got over the air channels on my tv from a satellite dish and it works great.
Hi Franz. Thanks a lot for your video. I am always looking for ideas to play with TV antennas. I am going to give it a try to see how it goes. As others commented, the dish acts as a reflector to concentrate all the signals recieved into a single beam to the feedhorn (LNB). There is where you have to postion your OTA TV antenna, facing the dish´s center.
The dish should bounce the signal to the antenna. You have the antenna facing away from the dish. The greatest signal point is on the dish not the direction of the tower. Just flip it around
Fastening your antenna with the metal dish attached isn't a good idea. You'd be better off using the pole with appropriate mounting hardware and accomplish the same thing. VHF/UHF signals don't get along well with metal in the path of reflection plus you are close to that power line which is also a source of interference. If this worked or continues to work for you it's because you are close to the broadcast towers and you don't need very much antenna gain.
He said the channel catching part of the antenna was the opposite end of the arrow design according to the manual? That's weird. You'd think the company would have built it reversed, using the arrow portion as the channel catcher. I wonder how he came out using that RV OTA antenna.
Not in the focus of the dish, off center and to far forward. Could be so much better if edge of OTA was in the same position as the LNB, to maintain focus and pinpoint insertion of the signals. I’m sure it works but if your looking to bring in fringe signals or you are on the fringe then you will have to make s better bracket to hold the OTA centered .
The antenna should be centered an aimed at the 'sweet spot' in the middle of the dish for best reception. To find the sweet spot, cover dish in aluminum foil (smooth it out flat) and aim at the sun. Make a hole in the foil at the sun collection spot and mark dish with a permanent marker. Aim antenna at this point. Your DISH LNB was already aimed at the factory before you removed it.
The way you're doing that, the dish has nothing what-so-ever to do with receiving the tv signal. You are NOT "transforming the dish into an ota antenna". You're just mounting it on your dish. You might be fooling yourself, but you're not fooling many people.
So how is this helpful? You still had to use a different antenna but you attatched it to the arm of the DTV dish. Why didn't you try connecting a 75-300 transformer to it, since it's a metal dish? those are usually just 3-5 dollars. Also no update on how your signal was after attatching it. This video just makes me ask more questions.
Yes. I was told afterwards that I did have it backwards. The closest towers are 20 miles always so I have perfect signal either way I mounted it. At the time of the video and I wasn’t sure if the antenna signal would reflect off of the dish. With companies these days they love to use proprietary methods so no one else can use their products.
I am a directv technician. The way it operates is that all signals that touch the reflector ( large oval pan with logo) are reflected into a focal point. That focal point is where we locate the lnb. At the end of the arm. So... not only would you want to turn it around but placing it in the location of the lnb as well will definitely better your result.
Thank you for the info!
Inb IS WHAT? Thanks.
LNB low-noise block down-converter. A low-noise amplifier (LNA) is an electronic amplifier that amplifies a very low-power signal without significantly degrading its signal-to-noise ratio. An amplifier increases the power of both the signal and the noise present at its input. LNAs are designed to minimize additional noise. The LNA with down converter is called a low-noise block down-converter (LNB).
That dish is too small to focus UHF. Best to leave it as it is, and just use the thing as a mount for the OTA antenna.
@@jimsteele9261 , cool name bro.
Just found this video. I'm thinking you need to do a 180 with the antenna. However, you also need to find the distance from the original horn position (inches or metric) to set the most forward element at that position. Think of it more like a magnifying and you trying to burn paper and have to be at the right distance and angle to do that according to where the sun is. I'm sure that the ticket
turn antenna around so that signal comes from dish side at stronger gain.
The dish is a parabolic reflector for a 12 GHz feedhorn which you removed. The antenna you’ve installed appears to be a VHF/UHF application. Therefore the ‘dish’ reflector will provide no gain for the OTA antenna.
All you have to do is buy a 3/8 ring terminal, strip the cable to show just enough wire to crimp on the terminal, and just tighten on one of the nuts on the dish, we used one of the three on the back where you can turn the dish. Works perfectly! We got 160+ channels here in the Los Angeles area, of course we deleted a lot of them because we don’t watch them, but all of the major ones have a strong signal, 80-90+%. Way cheaper and better than any fancy antenna out there, we actually tried that RCA outdoor antenna, pointed it to the antennas and everything, total crap! Didn’t pick up channels 7-13 here in LA, we returned it!
Do you mind uploading a video to show what you're talking about?
DrStfuFool I can email you a picture if you like?
Just seen your post can you email a picture of how you did it
Would of been nice to see some test results. So how many channel were you able to get??
Check your coaxial cable. RG-6 is best for OTA signals.
That is RG6.
Can we just talk about all the hard work he put into that
As a former satellite installer I have to ask, what Tech mounted this dish so close to an overhead power line?
a dumbass one did lol
That was my exact question. Amazing!
Carmine S Marcello outstanding you pointing that out I'm sure the NEC would have something to say about that installation!
An average one.
Actually, it's worse to mount on the edge of a low pitch roof.
I know it says it lengthens the distance to catch a signal but does it also widens the range?
The set up is all fine and dandy but you didn't show if your TV works with it....
Hello, the signal is great. Hd quality. I rarely watch tv but I haven’t noticed any delays or choppiness when I do.
Terrible.
you're pretty
show a sample from your tv
You said the curved side should be facing the signal. The signal will be coming from the dish. So turn it around.
No it won't!
Exactly! He missed the point of the dish, huh?
Right!
Even turning it around it was not mounted at the focal point, plus this dish is an " offset " design. In order to point at the broadcast tower it needs to be flipped over...I'm sure it might get some stations in this configuration, but nowhere as efficient if my suggestions are not followed..speaking as a 40 yr career catv eng.
@@cblguy63 so it basically scoops from the top where the sat beam comes from and the towers not that spot so a 180° change in the scoop is more inline with the antenna? My vulcan logic tells me its even the wrong curve for focus of ota?
So you just just the bracket on the dish to install an outdoor antenna. I want to know how to make my satlite the antenna.
for ota reception the dish is actually an interference source. Mounting the contraption on its own a several feet away from the dish would actually work better
I questioned whether the dish would cause interference but I didn't want to create a new mounting surface and run additional wire. It was a trial and error process, which worked in my favor, and I used it as a mounting post like what Adon lando said
@@franzm77 you actually have benefited better to remove the dish and use the pole...your mehod totally distroys the antennas gain.
The dish is made for 11ghz . Better off with tv antenna in its place. I would guess that a very big dish is required to get any gain. And it is offset so you need mount the dish up side down to have line of site . And tv antennas that look like space ships do not work as well.
Good guess it needs to be 6'x6' to perform. as a parabolic at UHF.
You can run the antenna and then find the splitter in your home and put the amplifier there
Yes the dish will help in receiving a better signal angle wise
Hard to say if it will or not. The dish will simply be acting as a reflector, so the distance between antenna and reflector needs to be taken into account. In phase reflections for some frequencies (channels) will occur and you’ll get better results, but out of phase reflections will make other channels worse. The antenna definitely needs to be parallel to the ground though and not at an angle (and the dish should be 90 degrees to the ground). Since the driven element of your antenna is angled, the curve of the dish may actually help some but you do need to position it more carefully, not just jam it on there onto some convenient spot.
Strike Raid: You are on the right track, by saying that the dish needs to be 90° , from the ground. Actually, the geometry of the dish makes it necessary to point it even more angled toward the ground...in order to focus the signal, at the end of the arm. Even at 90° to the ground...the reflector is still pointed skyward.
in fact he might as well just use his internet connection and watch all the stations free online via streaming
Misleading, the title of this video should be "use your existing satellite dish setup to mount your own OTA HD antenna"
You got him bro, high five!
Yup. Pissed once I got there.
I scrolled down to see if this is what he did before I watched...I suspected so. Thanks
I agree about the title of the video. Otherwise a good video about using existing satellite dish hardware with another commercial OTA RV antenna.
So you need dish already or just the dish.
What about a huge 90s satellite , can it be used to pick up stations
I’m looking for a way to turn my old satellite into an antenna. This video is just describing using your old satellite base and coax connection for a new over the air antenna.
A few tips about your Directv antenna (yes, the dish is an antenna itself): Beside the 3 lock bolts on the collar, (and all bolts on DTV hd antennas are half inch, and you may want to use an impact driver to loosen them) for you model of dish, there are 2 bolts underneath what is called the AZEL and there are 2 on the side of the AZEL to make adjustments. In this story the 2 on the side are important because you may need to adjust the elevation of the ODU (out door unit). And there are 3 bolts that allow you to adjust the tilt of the dish. Now, your OTA antenna may not be too fussy bout the tilt but with the elevation you may want to bring down the feed arm so the line of sight for the VHF and UHF signal is collected a little more efficiently. And the feed arm should be pointing toward the transmission towers as best as possible. Then lock it up and you're good.
And you're not really that close to your electric lines - the image is misleading. Just be careful: Plan (anticipate) the for the safe outcome of all your actions so you don't fall or electrocute yourself just for the sake of watching tv.
Good luck to ya.
Why no demo to show it works?
Next week, he shows you how to convert the dish into a birdbath.
He should of use the Dish as a deflector!
Kind of scary being that close to the power lines if that's what they were? My question is the mast and that existing RG6 coax already grounded by the dish installer? I think this is a great idea, because it's all done all you have to do is put antenna there with maybe an amplifier down by TV/splitter
Sir, you've provided us with a completely useless (yet entertaining) endeavor.
What you've accomplished is simply remarkable, as now you've completely eliminated the desirable effects from the backside of the beam that once provided you with additional channels.
Marvelous work. An example of modern thinking at its peak.
Eh, it's not really useless. I personally don't care for TV or Satellite TV and prefer radio.
@@Chief-CO LOL. I love this exchange. Regardless, Uploader meant well...
What did I miss? Aren't you just using an old dish as a mounting bracket for an after market OTA antenna?
Did this run threw out the house for multiple TV's?
tablo is your best option for dvr boxes. I will check that app out. I don't understand why people don't see what they can really do.
Yea the dish should work as a reflector to enhance the tv signal and the dish will reject signals behind both dish antenna and your rv antenna also should work good for fm radio, if you turn the front of the rv antenna to face the dish itl enhance the signal more than using the rv antenna alone the dish will turn your rv antenna into a directional beam antenna
It's backwards. The parabolic dish catches and bounces the signal back to the antenna. Turn it around.
If you listen and watch closely he is only showing you how to use this as a mechanical mount to hold the off-air antenna. He even wonders out loud if this "might also improve the signal" but the answer to that is no.
The satellite signal these dishes are designed to receive are in the Ka band which is between 26.5 to 50 GHZ. Terrestial TV signals are in the familiar VHF & UHF MHz frequency spectrum. Although all are digital now save for perhaps a few low power stations (if they still exist), they are still an analog transmission and use a modulation technique called 8-VSB to encode the digi information on to an analog carrier.
So the parabolic dish itself is actually useless for receiving and amplifying TV station signals, it is not designed for the radiation patterns used by TV stations. It could actually make your signal worse depending on whether you have a directional antenna or an omni-directional antenna by causing back reflections or ghosting. In the old days that would cause a "ghost" of the original image, with digital signals it can cause tiing/blocking or even complete drop off.
Your points are overall correct, but the dish is designed for Ku band which is 12-18 Ghz.
Being only about one wavelength wide at terrestrial TV frequencies the parabolic attributes dont work any better than a simple straight surface.
Ghosting won't happen if the reflector is ~1/4 wavelength or a yagi would cause them.
Biggest problem I see is that he put the tv antenna on backwards. The receiving end of the antenna should face the reflector that "gathers" more signal. Plus, he changed the focal length of the dish by mounting the antenna like he di that will make any gain less that possible. I use one of those dishes to make a directional antenna for an scanner that listens to one place only. I used a 1/4 wave antenna at 462.00 mhz placed at the correct focal length of the dish. works great. Can actually hear 2 watt hand held radios from about 3 miles away clearly. Could not pick them up with a regular antenna.
The 1/4 wave antenna at 462.00mhz is only 6" long so mounted at the correct focal length of the dish, it works much better. The original antenna for the satellite was the round plastic looking part he did away with. You have to be the same distance that was from the dish for maximum gain. You can make small antennas for different purposes that will still work. The dish is only a reflector that gathers more signal than just a small antenna and focuses it at the small antenna mounted in front of it.
I would have thought turning the antenna other way to pick up signal reflected off dish works best.
The dish does nothing! He only showed how to hook up an antenna! The dish only keeps the signal stronger it doesn't actually catch a signal! The piece he removed is where the dish signal comes from.
@@danvinogradov138 the dish actually does reflect the signal. That’s the reason for the dish. Signal reflects to the arm position for maximum signal.
What about the results of this hi bred antenna? Does it even work? (Horrible audio)
this dish was installed wrong in the first place. I worked for directv and you NEVER install a dish next to a powerline coming in the house. its dangerous and can disrupt the signal strength. anyway directv doesnt use that dish anymore taht dish is very old.
attach to the arm is not a bad idea ...the dish wont help but probably not hurt either... the yagi array needs to be parallel to the ground though.
it's been a few years.. but did the satellite dish boost your signal?
if so, how many channels did you get?
If you say that the straight side need to face the signal then you have it backwards because it needs to face the dish otherwise the dish is useless, the purpose of the dish is to receive the signal in a wider angle by bouncing the signal of the dish to the receiver. Peace and God Bless
Does putting the antenna on a dish actually amplify the signal?
i closed the browser to go about my way and then searched and refound it so i could hit the like button. thanks, man. dont know why it didnt occur to me that the coax could be removed from the satellite antenna and simply mount my inside antenna onto it and reposition it so i could use the cable company's wires for cutting-the-cord purposes. my house is made of brick, so inside antennas are of slim use connectivity wise. nice hack, slash inventive thought process. LIKE
How is adding an antenna to a satellite dish converting it to an antenna. You’ve essentially turned the dish into a mount.
You're probably in North Carolina or Arkansas. I saw you're around Fayetteville.
...after installation how many channels came in clearly !?!
Also try the signal side of the antenna should be facing the satallite reflector then you aim the entire satallite at the stations. The Dish is what collects all signals and concentrates all to a single point aligned with the antenna. Compare the two methods
That dish is to small to function as a parabola at terrestrial TV frequencies.
@@ghz24 *too*
in order for a parabolic reflector to work with any appreciable gain ,it must be at least 10 wavelengths in diameter..to find the wavelength u take 936 divided by frequency in mhz..that will give you the wavelength in feet...take that figure and multiply by 10 and that is the minimum diameter a dish should be to have any gain.
You do realize he isn’t building a dish right? How about instructions on building a repeater tower instead?
@@carlosperla7233 lol if hes not tring to use that as a parabolic reflecter then why use the dish at all...i dont think u realize that im aware hes not trying to recieve satellite broadcast, he is trying to use a parabolic relector thats much too small for 3 ghz cband let alone vhf and uhf signals with a much larger wavelength...
@@carlosperla7233 heres your original msg....
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Carlos Perla replied: "You do realize he isn’t building a dish right? Nice try attempting to show how smart you are though."................................tell ya what genius, go do some reading on parabolic relectors and come back, we can talk
@@michellegrinder9484 lol. Why would research building parabolic disks. No one in this chat is talking about making dishes. It’s about the rv antenna mounted on the direct tv dish.
@@michellegrinder9484 he was just using the dish because it had an arm he could attach to. If was using it as a reflector he would have turned the antenna so the blunt end would face the dish as he said the blunt end need to face the signal. The dish as a reflector would mean the signal is coming from the dish so he would have turned the antenna. The bracket he was using could not be used on the pole. He found a way to attach it to the arm so he could not only mount it, but also turn it to whatever direction he wants.
Will you ever sign up for DIRECTV again
Good idea to use the mount for your ota.Btw that dtv maybe too close to the power lines,thats how my installer explained to me sometime ago.
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Unfortunately, because of the way the antenna receives tv signals, you are just using the dish as a "mounting post".
Adon Lando that's what I'm saying right? I have a home upstate NY with an discounted Diah tv antenna. Can I do or attach anything to it to get any type of free tv?
I dont think so...I've seen others use a satellite dish as an antenna and they always use something with it.
Shouldn't the receiving side of your antenna be facing the disk?????
Blunt end should be facing the satellite since it would bounce the signal back at the antenna
First there's a trigonometry equation on how far away from the dish the antenna or feed horn , the device you took off needs to be. Second you need to make the dish so it's perpendicular to the earth and the antenna is level. Third do watch out for the feed wires going into your house four feet away from you it's a 220 line and it will kill you
240... TWO FOURTY! (Sarcasm).
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What's the result, how many channels?
I wish someone who has done this, including Franz, let us know the results and show some vids of your home TV.
"I'm actually wondering if the dish helped the signal" I'm guessing no, the dish/reflector is behind the antenna so it serves no purpose. I doubt that it would help even if the antenna was pointed at the dish, it's not designed to capture ota signals. It would be interesting to see if it helped though if signal strength was checked with and without the dish. But I wouldn't expect any difference. In fact, since the antenna would be pointing away from the signal source when pointed at the dish, it would probably be worse. But without a signal check we will never know.
Maybe if he turned it around and the tv station would launch their transmitter tower into a geosynchronous orbit 22,000 miles up he might pick something up. Lol
I just use my old dish network dish and use the hook up with a existing 40 dollar DVR box from Walmart and hook it up I got over 200 channels some movies ones too. They get more channels too, and it’s all HD.
I use a paper clip attached to an ice cream stick and get stations from outer space.
I tied my dog to the top of a tree and now pickup HBO and Showtime.
Lmao
i did this with a tv antenna with a range of 35 miles... and i got stations from dallas, i live like 90 miles+ away
Check out Danny Hodges here on YT. He is long winded an has trouble staying focused. But he shows you how to make a really good antenna. It the bow type, If I can make one you can to. It works good, I am about 45 miles from Atlanta an can get most of the Atlanta stations. The antenna is about 30 ft high.
Very surprised if this setup works at all. The whole point of the dish is to capture the signal and aim it at the LNB. Which is set at a critical distance. You can’t just place it where you think because it’s convenient. What he is doing here is placing the back end of his sensor (antenna) to the dish. Thereby eliminating the dish all together.
Jack Kirby makes TV antennas?
How far away from the stations, do you live?
To save 5 mins of watching: Step 1 - disconnect your coax from your dish's LNB. Step 2 - mount your terrestrial DVB antenna to the LNB arm.
Im.glad someone pointed out the blunt side not facing the dish. Thankful for ppl.trying to help.other ppl. The gentleman in video was just trying to help people the other way she facing the dishes what I always thought the dish should be like and it was a little too long and the title was a little misleading but thank you for attempting to help Hope you only take it as constructive criticism
You dont need to do any of this. All i did was take a satellite dish and take off all of the electronic parts that make the satellite dish work and move around. After i did that all i had left was just a big round piece of metal and i drilled a couple of holes in the middle of the dish grabbed a coax cable and cut some of yhe rubber and exposed the metal pin and wrapped that around the holes a couple of times then put a small piece of metal over the holes and mounted that on the round dish part. Plugged the other end in the tv and i got over the air channels on my tv from a satellite dish and it works great.
You go camping so you can watch tv from a different location?
Hi Franz. Thanks a lot for your video. I am always looking for ideas to play with TV antennas. I am going to give it a try to see how it goes.
As others commented, the dish acts as a reflector to concentrate all the signals recieved into a single beam to the feedhorn (LNB). There is where you have to postion your OTA TV antenna, facing the dish´s center.
Roberto, how did your conversion work out?
The dish should bounce the signal to the antenna. You have the antenna facing away from the dish. The greatest signal point is on the dish not the direction of the tower. Just flip it around
What happens if you just use the lnb on the original satellite?
Nothing. You get no channels at all.
Why go through the trouble just get an outside antenna
Fastening your antenna with the metal dish attached isn't a good idea. You'd be better off using the pole with appropriate mounting hardware and accomplish the same thing. VHF/UHF signals don't get along well with metal in the path of reflection plus you are close to that power line which is also a source of interference. If this worked or continues to work for you it's because you are close to the broadcast towers and you don't need very much antenna gain.
You can turn the dish itself into
a ham radio antenna easy!
How many LNB would you recommend
Never mind your doing a actual antenna. I thought you was doing ku-band free satellite tv
I think you need to face receiving end of the antenna toward the dish to get use of the dish
Did you blame the tv when it didn’t work.
Did you pass kindergarten??
He said the channel catching part of the antenna was the opposite end of the arrow design according to the manual? That's weird. You'd think the company would have built it reversed, using the arrow portion as the channel catcher. I wonder how he came out using that RV OTA antenna.
Nice job! Very thorough.
Not in the focus of the dish, off center and to far forward. Could be so much better if edge of OTA was in the same position as the LNB, to maintain focus and pinpoint insertion of the signals.
I’m sure it works but if your looking to bring in fringe signals or you are on the fringe then you will have to make s better bracket to hold the OTA centered .
You need to put the actual front of the receiver towards the dish. The dish catches the signal then reflexes back into the centered receiver.
Thanks. I’ll flip it around
It has already been said. Turn the ota around and get a better picture and more channels. That's why the lnb faces that way.
Also, tip the dish down. It's aiming too far upward for terrestrial signals.
Why can't you just use the dish antenna?
Dishes pick up Microwave signals. The lnb cannot pick up radio frequency signals. The band is too wide on rf signals.
The antenna should be centered an aimed at the 'sweet spot' in the middle of the dish for best reception. To find the sweet spot, cover dish in aluminum foil (smooth it out flat) and aim at the sun. Make a hole in the foil at the sun collection spot and mark dish with a permanent marker. Aim antenna at this point. Your DISH LNB was already aimed at the factory before you removed it.
The way you're doing that, the dish has nothing what-so-ever to do with receiving the tv signal. You are NOT "transforming the dish into an ota antenna". You're just mounting it on your dish. You might be fooling yourself, but you're not fooling many people.
That's not just a dish it's a directv
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Is there a version of that app for Android??
The blunt end needs to face the dish because the signal is being gathered by the dish and focused onto the device. C'mon man!
Exactly my thought
The blunt end is his head.
Not sure if the dish reflects OTH transmissions.
@@therealrobinbullock your correct wrong frequency.
The dish keeps the signal strength up! The dish doesn't actually get the signal it's the little transmitter he removed!
A 12 inch piece of copper wire jammed into the antenna hole will also work.
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funny stuff , what is the dish for ? ground plane ,.,. lmao
how do you find the station signal
I have an app on my iPhone that shows me where the towers are. I use it when we camp.
Use you tv menu and do a antenna, not cable, channel search. Very easy. IT will scan your signals and channels and lock them into your tv's memory.
So you just showed people how to mount an antenna. You transformed nothing.
So how is this helpful? You still had to use a different antenna but you attatched it to the arm of the DTV dish. Why didn't you try connecting a 75-300 transformer to it, since it's a metal dish? those are usually just 3-5 dollars. Also no update on how your signal was after attatching it. This video just makes me ask more questions.
If the flat side needs the signal then you have it facing the wrong way
Yes. I was told afterwards that I did have it backwards. The closest towers are 20 miles always so I have perfect signal either way I mounted it. At the time of the video and I wasn’t sure if the antenna signal would reflect off of the dish. With companies these days they love to use proprietary methods so no one else can use their products.
Is this illegal? Or not
For the record, a Satellite Dish ALREADY IS an antenna!!!
Dishes collect microwave signals, not rf signals. It's a different alignment process. Rf signls can't be reflected like this.
facing the lmb the wrong way
Flip it around and center it and it shall perform much better.
Direct tv: are they trying to use a different company for our satellites?😡😡
It makes me nervous how close that guy was to a 240 volt electrical wire
One wrong move and he will see every star in Hollywood! 💫
This is his cure for insomnia
You do realize that the Satellites are in space right? The satellite antenna is here on earth.
WoW.
That chimney needs some serious work !
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