Over Framing Made Simple Project 150 Roof Framing part 6
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- Опубліковано 11 січ 2025
- Last section of roof to frame is the rear over frame. Our engineering requires that we fully sheathe the roof under the over frame. This is also called a California Valley and Scotch Valley.
To shoot level from the rakewall, I used the Stabila LAR350 because I have it and its easy. In the future I'll just use a dot laser. Simple and fast. To figure the sleeper valley bevels, take 90 - (sum of the backing bevels). For a regular roof, you just double the backing bevel and subtract from 90. For irregular roofs, figure backing bevels for both sides, add them together and subtract from 90.
Please remember that I'm not showing the best way to form footings, but just the method that works well for us. Thanks for watching!
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Excellent work, your right as we get older we do embrace the little satisfying details of life. Keep up the good work, and stay safe.
It's the small details like the bevel that sets you apart from the rest. Top notch!
If Noah doesn’t already appreciate your skill as a carpenter in 10 or 20 years he will look back and be very impressed
I'm not a framer or even a pro-contractor and I can tell from watching this video that you sir are a true craftsman. "A cut above the rest"
I only recently found your channel and you guys truly are awesome!
I’m 62 years old and have been framing since I was 26. When I first started, I took pride in my work, read as much as I could, learned how to use a scientific calculator, cut stairs, hand cut irregular roofs, Calc lazy arches and build curved walls and stairs but I have still learned something with every video for yours I’ve watched (mostly cool tools and products but your gang cutting methods are making me lament the years I’ve wasted cutting joist or stair jacks, one at the time!!)
Keep up the awesome work!
MY IDOL FRAMMER, YOU ARE DA' GOAT --- " GREATEST OF ALL TIME "🥰🥰🥰
Beveled sleepers are the way to go. A measely 10 minutes more at the saw horses for solid nailing on the valley is worth it. Great. Work. Im really enjoying your channel.
The bevel looks professional and shows you know what your doing!! Some builders just throw crap together!!
its a waste of time and someone is paying for that time. the bevel is very unnecessary
Man it's framing I started in 1970 we didn't have some of these tools however you get the job done and done right is the point some of these comments have me thinking just how some people live a very critical life of judgement great content again thanks for sharing
04:52 - Love how you react to the sleeper like it was a horse acting out "Hey hey hey, Hey now! Woah there, easy now! ✌️
I always liked the silent movies.Glad your bringing them back!😳
There's so much cool framing carpentry in this video, and I agree, that connecting roofs like this is very satisfying😎I think its extra cool that you left the drone buzzing away above to get some great, birds eye, footage👍Cheers
Just wanted to let you know that I watched your video last night and today had to frame over a roof. The beveled sleepers are a game changer. We also tried to go from the top down with our sheathing but when you have to use clips for spacing it makes it really hard to go that way. But it did make sense. The roof turned out awesome. Thanks for. A great easy to follow video!
I really like the trick of using the Martinez Stair Gauge on the rip! What a time saver on long bevel rips.
This channel is EPIC ... love all you guys do to share the experience .... thanks guys. Hope your week is going perfectly
Noah is having a grand ole time up there on the rope, that's my kinda energy
Nice work. Your awesome.
The framing is good too
I downloaded buildcalc app and realized I had to set my calculation configuration to mitre saw to get the right hip backing angle. On a 4/12 roof the result (64 degrees roughly for sleeper bevel) is a steeper angle than my skill saw can accomplish. Might cut some bevelled blocking in shop to add to a non beveled sleeper or try this trick next time I’m on a steeper roof.
Love the content- learning tons
You guys rock! Great episode!
Getting ready to build another house. Definitely beveling my sleepers.
I understand sheathing a roof like that from the top down. I clapboard from the top down. It's the way I was taught back in 1975 and still do it that way. It is much easier to snap lines on the bottom of the claps as opposed to the tops and if you are using short clapboards like we did 45 years ago, you just slide the lower one under the top one and it stays put.
I bought a metabo battery framer love it. Doing this on a smaller scale day 1 on a new job. Thx.
This was a very helpful video for me.
Great work! Would love to see how you cut the ridge, With the long cut
Отличный канал! Успехов Тим и твоей команде!
Construction Pro Master calculator is the best. Run and rise, gives you rafters and jacks, valley and ridge.
Imagine that 2x spent 50 years as a tree.
Great content. Thank you!
Nice clean work.
Enjoy watching great work!
As always... Absolutely Awesome 🥳🥳🥳
It’s funny hearing all the different terminology among different crews. What you call a sleeper, we call a valley board. You say sharp-to-sharp-to-sharp, we say long-to-long of the long. Everyone has their own way
The best part of carpenter work (I mean carpenters who build or finish for a living not handy man work ; no disrespect meant for surly there is a place for that) is using your skills and tools to build what few other can! Oh trust me I seen good diy try’s and just downright hacking away ! But to stand back and hv it pass inspection or the GC to walk in ( me I am a sub contractor) and say “wow nice work”! Is really satisfying; just makes it worth it ! Oh and of course the “Hondos”!
👍🏽👍🏽you are a master🙏🏽
Excelente y muy hermoso trabajo felicidades saludos 👊💪👌🏻👏
Great work
I recommend you try carrying an awl in your bags daily. It's kind of a forgotten tool and i wont convince you with a youtube comment but it's handy and extremely lightweight. Either way love your vids bruh, you guys do nice work.
Thanks! I used to carry one, but just didn't find it that valuable, maybe I should revisit that.
Beautiful
You said you don't like adding blocking after, when I pre cut blocking or noggins I will add them as I go then you don't need to mark for rafters or joists as well. You just use the noggins as spacers. Providing you have consistent spacing
Really nice work. From the Propane tank in the front yard I am assuming you are at Whitehorse or Alderbrook. Can't be McCormick or Canterwood they are too snooty for tanks.
I get so mad when the foreman at the job site says “ what are you doing? You don’t have to bevel it”. I know asshole, I just like the way it looks 😂 I for sure agree with you on beveling the sleeper
Can you believe the price of Spaghetti Sauce? $3.50
What’s 175 plus 175?
I want to know what you said the first time. Love the channel.
Keep doing you. Awesome Framers is awesome! It’s right in the title!
Nice video. I watch these regularly and enjoy them.
If you don’t mind me asking? One important detail you left out or did not emphasize is how did you establish your bottom valley line on the roof? I am referring to your first valley jack that sits on your roof.
You have established your two common rafters that are coming into your sub fascia on each side. I see these are nailed into sub fascia in video. How did you get that valley line transferred to top of plywood on your roof?
I guess you could plane in a straight edge from your two existing rafters and mark your roof but that may not be very exact due to the few rafters you are planing off of.
Did you snap off of the top of your sub fascia to get your valley bottom point since this is where it eventually has to meet at?
Did I miss where you started this since I did not look again? Yet. I guess my reason for commenting is that this point is very important on en framing this way and how you establish it. If this is wrong then someone unfamiliar with this framing will really screw it up. I can’t tell if your California valley fascia line is at same elevation of main roof or not here.
Can you explain what you did here? I appreciate it and watch your videos all the time.
The plane of the rake wall determines the bottom of the valley on top of the sheathing. As shown at the beginning of the video, I used a laser to set the ridge. Where the shoulders of the beveled valley sleepers meet the ridge determine the top and pull into plane.
Where can i see a fuller explanation of the build calc figuring of the sleeper valley plate bevel cuts? Thank you.
Did I miss you cutting the access /vent hole in the roof under your 'gable over' build ?
Didn't I mention that I cut it after so there's no hazard while framing?
U did indeed i heard it with me own 2 listening devices mhmm
U did I heard it (as my grandson says) with my own ear balls!
@@AwesomeFramers I thought you said you were going to but we never saw it. And you mentioned bringing to he cutout up through the rafters before decking it in completely. So I was so waiting to see it either cut or lifted through the rafters but never did. No big whoop. Just glad my eyes didn't deceive me.
Really like to he videos.
Thx
What drone do you use? Is that your go to when filming?
When the roofer cuts the OSB for the ridge vent, won’t it be wider then your beveled squash blocks at the ridge? I understand it doesn’t take long to push through the table saw, but seems to have no benefit. Either way, great video and I always look forward to your videos.
The roofers won't cut any of the sheathing, we've already snapped a line down from the ridge and held our sheathing to that 👍👍
A good set of plans will have a detail for the sheathing offset using the ridge vent of choice and providing the correct sq. inches of air space for ventilation, while still maintaining the correct blocked or unblocked diaphragm connection across the ridge.
I Have one question, can the ridge board sit on the sheathing while the sleeper valley join on both sides of the ridge? or does the ridge have to sit on top of the sleeper valley (where both sleepers are joined together and the ridge sits on top of them)
Hallo from austria again
How are you supposed to get a nailing inspection with all the seams taped??
Make sure you roll it, is what they say 😂😂😂
Much easier with the redx roof app, just enter the height of truss and roof angle and it gives you every measurement!
Nice
pull down 4 ft from the ridge, pop a chalk line and go.......ALWAYS start from the ridge down in this situation, and let the dumb stuff work its way out on the last 2 pieces if it wants to.. or at least pull 4 ft lines and chalk them as a control from the top, if you really want to start from the bottom.....been doing this 40 plus years
Ur using 4ft oc chalk lines to check & plan as U start, smart.
where did you get that guide for the front of your saw
I noticed you don’t use ply clips. Does the 5/8 zip not need it?
It’s T&G I’m pretty sure
@@Thomas-xm5ym different locales have different codes. In Texas we don’t have to clip 5/8” on 24”” centers. Zip sheathing has a small rib on the side for appropriate stand off.
How do you calculate layout for sleepers
You guys are truly AWESOME 👌 👏 👍 great episode brother!
Did he mention the size of the gable?
How do you find the angle to set your saw to when cutting the compound miters? Also the angle of the cut?
the level cut is always the level cut of the dormer roof, and the bevel is always the bevel of the roof it lands on
Do you take apprentices?
“Not bad at all” means “it could’ve been better” 😂
29.16 is the pitch of the roof? Valley?
No its because of the great room wall. I think I went over that in the previous video. Just a simple rise/run so the rafters land on that wall
uh ooo @ look out @ looks like he got smart calculator @
You should have done
Y M C A
On the roof selfie shots
Do you use buildcalc to calculate where you rafters fall on your valley sleeper or how do you figure it? Also, do you like the buildcalc over the construction master?
Yes I prefer BuildCalc
I actually don't figure them out, I usually pull parallel from the gable then cut them all on the ground
i thought you were going to cut an access hole in the main roof
No, under the overframe after sheathing. It's a hazard otherwise.
Yeah I think I'm a horrible framer because of my poor ability to balance doing roof work. I'll sub that out
Ditto, the last couple years I can't hack roofing anymore. 50 has not been kind on my balance.
There is a 1000 ways to do something! You make changes to your building system to make your way faster easier and correctly! Those that build over code are great! Those that just build to code will fail!!
Roll the tape
forgot to cut that access hole.
Nope, we cut it after so no one steps through the hole 👍
When ur sheetrockin u say butt & long.
Everyone is entitled to my opinion. I can not see why the ridge beam needs to be so colossal. It is not carrying any weight at all. The 2x12 lay plates/valleys also seem way over the top. Seems your engineers have gone as silly as our.
That framing gun sound is annoying haha
Tik Toxic
FFS, I have to wait for the premier and the audio is off? Either be a great side hustle or be pro. You are acting like pro but giving me DIY.
Michael, stop whining, its not a good look.
When I see you miter your sleeper...I understand you guys more and I lose respect for you. It matters how much $$ you make, and you make more money by not mitering a simple sleeper. How many other needless steps do you take?? There is something to be said for making $1900 / every week when you are happy making $1800 / week and that is you. There is not a good reason to always do things the best way when many ways are by far good enough. I imagine you are not convinced, but then again, you're not production framers. It's like you guys are Boy Scout troop leaders walking into a biker bar. LOL
Your "logic" if flawed. The time it takes to bevel the sleeper is gained back.
Tell me how they are not "production" framers? They build this house and lots more to schedules and deadlines.
That you have a boss or contractor that does not pay for quality, does not mean other people are not in it for the money.
Bro tapes the whole roof too