God justified UNGODLY Abram- walking by faith- by faith obeyed... built altars.... called on the Name of the LORD.... yet Unrighteous- Ungodly: Under the Wrath of God: the one referenced as justified in Romans 4:1-5: Abraham. Understanding this; you understand Romans explanation of the Gospel. Not by faith... but: Faith in God's offering of His Dorean; His Unmerited & Undeserved Gift of His Son- Your reward, wages will be great!......what will you give me since I walk childless.. Then behold, the word of the LORD came to him, saying, "This man will not be your heir; but one who will come forth from your own body, he shall be your heir." - Genesis 15:4 NASB95 Abram believed Melchizedek's testimony of God Most High- that He is the Possessor of Heaven & Earth after Abram acted with the rights of the Firstborn Son- the kinsman redeemer to redeem Lot & his possessions from enemy- whom God placed in Abram's hand. Gen 14. Then Abram cries out: Oh, Sovereign Lord- Adonai Jehovah: Adonai- in awe & humble acknowledgement that God Most High IS the Possessor of Heaven & Earth & has the right to give His possessions to whomever He pleases (Dan 4): What will you give me... not what: WHO- I give the reward to your Seed from your own body; and I will give Him to you: and you will become His Possession. For He is the Heir of God's Reward, appointed Heir of all things in Heaven & Earth. For this Seed is the Firstborn of God's House; Lord (Adown- as Joseph was in Pharaoh's House- whom David acknowledges the LORD said to my Lord- Adown, sit at my Rights Hand) of His Possessions, and being Lord- He has dominion over, Authority over, Liberty Over, the Privilege Over- the Rights Over: the Rights of Redemption of the Firstborn Son- Whom Christ Redeemed coming in the Flesh, Judging Abram out of the camp of the enemy- ungodly, unrighteous, sinner, helpless: enemy of God; making peace with Abram His enemy by His Blood shed on that Cross- and making Abram His Own Treasured Possession: His Bride by sprinkling His Blood on that Mercy Seat, cleansing Abram from all unfaithfulness & pouring His Lifeblood into Abram's account: Justified. When God Most High- Adonai Jehovah justified Abram- He had His Eyes riveted to that Sprinkled Blood on that Mercy Seat through His Gift of His Firstborn Son. (Gen 12: Abraham before 75 yrs old). By FAITH Abraham, when he was called, OBEYED by going out to a place which he was to receive for an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing where he was going. - Hebrews 11:8 NASB95 (Gen 15: Abraham about 85 yrs old). What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? "ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS." Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness, - Romans 4:1-5 NASB95 Why wasn't Abram credited righteous by his faith when he obeyed to follow God's call from Ur????? Why did it take until Gen 15 for Abram to be justified by faith? Follow this thread & you will see the Glory of God in Christ's coming in His Body: to be our Mercy Seat in His Blood. He fears lest, as popery perverted love, so the Reformation might come to pervert faith, putting it in the room of Christ,.......... in our terms- perverting acceptable faith as if it is a quality of us; and perverting the testimony of the Blamelessness of Christ. My Faithfulness, My Blamelessness, My Obedience...... instead of the Blamelessness of Christ which we are joined through faith in the Gospel: as did Noah an Excerpt from: God’s Way of Holiness By Horatius Bonar (1808-1889) To these letters Brentius replies, unfolding his conflicts to his beloved Philip. “Is not faith itself a work?...Does not the Lord say, `This is the work of God that ye believe'?...Justification then cannot be either by works or by faith...Is it so?...Therefore justification must be on account of Christ alone, and not the excellence of our works...But how can all this be?...From childhood I had not been able to clear my thoughts on these points. Your letter and that of Luther showed me the truth...Justification comes to us neither on account of our love nor our faith, but solely on account of Christ; and yet it comes through (by means of) faith. Faith does not justify as a work of goodness, but simply as a receiver of promised mercy...We do not merit; we only obtain justification...Faith is but the organ, the instrument, the medium; Christ alone is the satisfaction and the merit. Works are not satisfaction, nor merit, nor instrument; they are the utterance of a justification already received by faith.” Thus does the disciple expound the master's letter, and then adds some thoughts of his own. He fears lest, as popery perverted love, so the Reformation might come to pervert faith, putting it in the room of Christ, as a work or merit or quality, something in itself. Having finished the letter to his “most beloved Philip,” and signed it, “thy Brentius,” he starts another thought and adds a postscript which is well worth translating: “Just as I was finishing my letter, I remembered an argument of yours about works, to the effect that if we are justified by love, we can never have assurance because we can never love as we ought. In like manner I argue regarding faith as a work; if justification come to 8 us through faith as a work, or merit, or excellence, we can never be assured about it, because we can never believe as we ought.” We have given some space to these extracts, because the importance of the truth which they contain can hardly be overrated. They not only exhibit the distinction between Christ's work and the Spirit's work, but they do so with special reference to that point at which they are so often made to run into each other, to the darkening of many minds and the confusion of all Reformation theology. For how often did Luther reiterate that statement: “Faith justifies us, no, not even as a gift of the Holy Ghost, but solely on account of its reference to Christ...faith does not justify for its own sake, or because of any inherent virtue belonging to it.” So long as this confusion exists, so long as men do not distinguish between Christ's work and the Spirit's work, so long as they lay any stress upon the quality or quantity of their act of faith, there can be not only no peace of conscience, but no progress in holiness, no bringing forth of good works
What Was the Purpose of Water Baptism? For the Jews and their “gospel of the kingdom;” water baptism was a required expression of believing faith. We see in Luke 7:28-30 those that were baptized with the baptism of John, justified God, and those that chose not to be baptized, rejected the counsel of God. Luke 7:28-30 28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he. 29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John. 30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him. John’s baptism was a symbolic baptism. God tells us in Hebrews 9:22 that there is no “remission of sins” without the shedding of blood. At this time, Christ’s blood had not yet been shed. Jesus spoke in Matthew 26:28 about His blood being the blood of the New Testament which is shed for “many” for the “remission of sins.” Matthew 26:28 - "For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins." We see in Acts 2:38 that on Pentecost, Peter preaches repentance and baptism for the “remission of sins.” Christ’s blood had been shed, so “remission of sins” was available for those who by faith obeyed and were baptized. Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. We see in Mark 16:16 where Jesus speaks of believing faith accompanied by obedience. Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. In I Samuel 15:22 we are told “behold to obey is better than sacrifice.” Christ is the Lamb of God. He willingly sacrificed Himself upon the cross. Those under the “gospel of the kingdom” who believed in Jesus as the Christ, the Son of God, possessed obedient faith and were baptized.
The dispute between the Catholic Church and the Reformers on Justification is on the meaning of the Greek verb "to justify". Does it mean to make a sinner righteous or it only makes a sinner counted as righteous, based on alien/external righteousness of Christ, while he/she remains unrighteous. Justification is on-going process according to the Catholic Church but the Reformers taught that it is instantaneous and is therefore by faith alone. According to Scripture we are made righteous through Christ (Rom. 5:19). In contrast the Reformers taught that we cannot be made righteous as we always fall short of God's perfect standard of righteousness. That is why we need external righteousness of Christ imputed on us, which does NOT make us righteous. Why being made righteous is essential for our salvation? Death is the wages of sin (Rom. 6:23) and the soul that sins shall die (Eze. 18:4). Scripture says it is righteousness that delivers from death (Pro. 10:2, 11:4). Pro. 11:19 says (ESV) "Whoever is steadfast in righteousness will live." Jesus said that the righteous shall go to eternal life (Mat. 25:46). In Gen. 15:6 what was counted (Hebrew verb חָשַׁב, Strong H2803) to Abraham for righteousness is faith. But what was counted (the same verb חָשַׁב) for righteousness to Phinehas in Psalms 106:31 was not faith but what he did as described in verse 30 (in more detail in Num. 25:7-8). Therefore, according to Scripture having faith is not the only source of our righteousness. 1 Jo. 3:7 says (ESV): "Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he [Christ] is righteous (1 Jo. 3:7)." Being made righteous is NOT being sinless all the time. According to Scripture we lose righteousness through sinning and we regain it back through repenting AND doing what is right and just. Eze. 33:13-16 says (ESV): "Though I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, yet if he trusts in his righteousness and does injustice, none of his righteous deeds shall be remembered, but in his injustice that he has done he shall die. Again, though I say to the wicked, ‘You shall surely die,’ yet if he turns from his sin and does what is just and right, if the wicked restores the pledge, gives back what he has taken by robbery, and walks in the statutes of life, not doing injustice, he shall surely live; he shall not die. None of the sins that he has committed shall be remembered against him. He has done what is just and right; he shall surely live." According to Scripture the sins we commit after having faith in Christ does affect our salvation. Heb. 10:26-27 says (ESV): “For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.” “We” in verse 26 refers to the believers - it is first person plural that even includes the person who wrote Hebrews. In contrast the Reformers taught that all your sins that includes future sins were already imputed on Christ who already paid the penalty of those sins on the cross, therefore nullifying what Heb. 10:26-27 says.
Born and raised Catholic, although it brought me to Christ through my parents, I was blind about catholicism, but now I see. God alone has opened my eyes, blessed be the Lord.
The dispute between the Catholic Church and the Reformers on Justification is on the meaning of the Greek verb "to justify". Does it mean to make a sinner righteous or it only makes a sinner counted as righteous, based on alien/external righteousness of Christ, while he/she remains unrighteous. Justification is on-going process according to the Catholic Church but the Reformers taught that it is instantaneous and is therefore by faith alone. According to Scripture we are made righteous through Christ (Rom. 5:19). In contrast the Reformers taught that we cannot be made righteous as we always fall short of God's perfect standard of righteousness. That is why we need external righteousness of Christ imputed on us, which does NOT make us righteous. Why being made righteous is essential for our salvation? Death is the wages of sin (Rom. 6:23) and the soul that sins shall die (Eze. 18:4). Scripture says it is righteousness that delivers from death (Pro. 10:2, 11:4). Pro. 11:19 says (ESV) "Whoever is steadfast in righteousness will live." Jesus said that the righteous shall go to eternal life (Mat. 25:46). In Gen. 15:6 what was counted (Hebrew verb חָשַׁב, Strong H2803) to Abraham for righteousness is faith. But what was counted (the same verb חָשַׁב) for righteousness to Phinehas in Psalms 106:31 was not faith but what he did as described in verse 30 (in more detail in Num. 25:7-8). Therefore, according to Scripture having faith is not the only source of our righteousness. 1 Jo. 3:7 says (ESV): "Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he [Christ] is righteous (1 Jo. 3:7)." Being made righteous is NOT being sinless all the time. According to Scripture we lose righteousness through sinning and we regain it back through repenting AND doing what is right and just. Eze. 33:13-16 says (ESV): "Though I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, yet if he trusts in his righteousness and does injustice, none of his righteous deeds shall be remembered, but in his injustice that he has done he shall die. Again, though I say to the wicked, ‘You shall surely die,’ yet if he turns from his sin and does what is just and right, if the wicked restores the pledge, gives back what he has taken by robbery, and walks in the statutes of life, not doing injustice, he shall surely live; he shall not die. None of the sins that he has committed shall be remembered against him. He has done what is just and right; he shall surely live." According to Scripture the sins we commit after having faith in Christ does affect our salvation. Heb. 10:26-27 says (ESV): “For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.” “We” in verse 26 refers to the believers - it is first person plural that even includes the person who wrote Hebrews. In contrast the Reformers taught that all your sins that includes future sins were already imputed on Christ who already paid the penalty of those sins on the cross, therefore nullifying what Heb. 10:26-27 says.
The difference is the Bible teaches salvation is by grace alone thru faith alone in Christ alone. Catholicism rejects and anathematizes (damns) anyone that believes faith in Christ alone saves, and teaches salvation by works.
@@justfromcatholic I am talking about the Catholic church, not the people, and if you walk into the Vatican with all its wealth, robes, jewels, statues, gold, etc. You see the abomination right in your face, not to mention the atrocities over the centuries committed by the Popes. And furthermore,, the Catholic Church preaches a different gospel, purgatory where one must do penance and prayers to leave. This is an abomination to the Gospel of Jesus the Christ and just one of many examples.
@@lynnjamesallen1171 I am talking about the teaching of the Reformers, not their followers. If you have problem with the splendour shown in Vatican, then you should have problem also with Solomon Temple with statues of cherubs overlaid with gold (1 Kings 6:24-28) and statues of oxen (1 Kings 7:25) - in contrast Vatican has no statues overlaid with gold and no jewels. Some Catholics did atrocities - that is true but so did the Protestants. For example, the Puritans of New England almost annihilated the Pequot Indians. You yourself should examine your gospel, the gospel according to the Reformers. Following their teaching you believe that through faith alone you get Christ’ righteousness imputed on you while all your sins (past, present and even those committed after believing) were imputed on Christ who already paid the penalty of those sins. When you die and stand for judgment (Heb. 9:27), God will let you enter heaven because He won’t be able to see your sins being hidden under perfect righteousness of Christ. God also was not able to see Christ’ sinlessness being hidden under your accumulated sins and therefore He directed His anger and wrath to righteous Christ. Scripture says in Prov. 17:15 (ESV): "“He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous are both alike an abomination to the LORD.” Does your belief make God do what Scripture refers as abomination? How can you and your pastors call it gospel?
Seems like by definition a prophet must be something other than a teacher, scribe, or wise man. And each example has some extraordinary relayed message from God that’s worthy of being added to scripture. Some try to say preachers who teach scripture speak prophetically but really are they not just teaching what’s been often by prophets under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit?
God justified UNGODLY Abram- walking by faith- by faith obeyed... built altars.... called on the Name of the LORD.... yet Unrighteous- Ungodly: Under the Wrath of God: the one referenced as justified in Romans 4:1-5: Abraham. Understanding this; you understand Romans explanation of the Gospel. Not by faith... but: Faith in God's offering of His Dorean; His Unmerited & Undeserved Gift of His Son- Your reward, wages will be great!......what will you give me since I walk childless.. Then behold, the word of the LORD came to him, saying, "This man will not be your heir; but one who will come forth from your own body, he shall be your heir." - Genesis 15:4 NASB95 Abram believed Melchizedek's testimony of God Most High- that He is the Possessor of Heaven & Earth after Abram acted with the rights of the Firstborn Son- the kinsman redeemer to redeem Lot & his possessions from enemy- whom God placed in Abram's hand. Gen 14. Then Abram cries out: Oh, Sovereign Lord- Adonai Jehovah: Adonai- in awe & humble acknowledgement that God Most High IS the Possessor of Heaven & Earth & has the right to give His possessions to whomever He pleases (Dan 4): What will you give me... not what: WHO- I give the reward to your Seed from your own body; and I will give Him to you: and you will become His Possession. For He is the Heir of God's Reward, appointed Heir of all things in Heaven & Earth. For this Seed is the Firstborn of God's House; Lord (Adown- as Joseph was in Pharaoh's House- whom David acknowledges the LORD said to my Lord- Adown, sit at my Rights Hand) of His Possessions, and being Lord- He has dominion over, Authority over, Liberty Over, the Privilege Over- the Rights Over: the Rights of Redemption of the Firstborn Son- Whom Christ Redeemed coming in the Flesh, Judging Abram out of the camp of the enemy- ungodly, unrighteous, sinner, helpless: enemy of God; making peace with Abram His enemy by His Blood shed on that Cross- and making Abram His Own Treasured Possession: His Bride by sprinkling His Blood on that Mercy Seat, cleansing Abram from all unfaithfulness & pouring His Lifeblood into Abram's account: Justified. When God Most High- Adonai Jehovah justified Abram- He had His Eyes riveted to that Sprinkled Blood on that Mercy Seat through His Gift of His Firstborn Son.
(Gen 12: Abraham before 75 yrs old). By FAITH Abraham, when he was called, OBEYED by going out to a place which he was to receive for an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing where he was going. - Hebrews 11:8 NASB95
(Gen 15: Abraham about 85 yrs old). What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? "ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS." Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness, - Romans 4:1-5 NASB95
Why wasn't Abram credited righteous by his faith when he obeyed to follow God's call from Ur?????
Why did it take until Gen 15 for Abram to be justified by faith?
Follow this thread & you will see the Glory of God in Christ's coming in His Body: to be our Mercy Seat in His Blood.
He fears lest, as popery perverted love, so the Reformation might come to pervert faith, putting it in the room of Christ,..........
in our terms- perverting acceptable faith as if it is a quality of us; and perverting the testimony of the Blamelessness of Christ.
My Faithfulness, My Blamelessness, My Obedience...... instead of the Blamelessness of Christ which we are joined through faith in the Gospel: as did Noah
an Excerpt from: God’s Way of Holiness By Horatius Bonar (1808-1889)
To these letters Brentius replies, unfolding his conflicts to his beloved Philip. “Is not faith itself a work?...Does not the Lord say, `This is the work of God that ye believe'?...Justification then cannot be either by works or by faith...Is it so?...Therefore justification must be on account of Christ alone, and not the excellence of our works...But how can all this be?...From childhood I had not been able to clear my thoughts on these points. Your letter and that of Luther showed me the truth...Justification comes to us neither on account of our love nor our faith, but solely on account of Christ; and yet it comes through (by means of) faith. Faith does not justify as a work of goodness, but simply as a receiver of promised mercy...We do not merit; we only obtain justification...Faith is but the organ, the instrument, the medium; Christ alone is the satisfaction and the merit. Works are not satisfaction, nor merit, nor instrument; they are the utterance of a justification already received by faith.” Thus does the disciple expound the master's letter, and then adds some thoughts of his own. He fears lest, as popery perverted love, so the Reformation might come to pervert faith, putting it in the room of Christ, as a work or merit or quality, something in itself. Having finished the letter to his “most beloved Philip,” and signed it, “thy Brentius,” he starts another thought and adds a postscript which is well worth translating: “Just as I was finishing my letter, I remembered an argument of yours about works, to the effect that if we are justified by love, we can never have assurance because we can never love as we ought. In like manner I argue regarding faith as a work; if justification come to 8 us through faith as a work, or merit, or excellence, we can never be assured about it, because we can never believe as we ought.” We have given some space to these extracts, because the importance of the truth which they contain can hardly be overrated. They not only exhibit the distinction between Christ's work and the Spirit's work, but they do so with special reference to that point at which they are so often made to run into each other, to the darkening of many minds and the confusion of all Reformation theology. For how often did Luther reiterate that statement: “Faith justifies us, no, not even as a gift of the Holy Ghost, but solely on account of its reference to Christ...faith does not justify for its own sake, or because of any inherent virtue belonging to it.” So long as this confusion exists, so long as men do not distinguish between Christ's work and the Spirit's work, so long as they lay any stress upon the quality or quantity of their act of faith, there can be not only no peace of conscience, but no progress in holiness, no bringing forth of good works
What Was the Purpose of Water Baptism?
For the Jews and their “gospel of the kingdom;” water baptism was a required expression of believing faith.
We see in Luke 7:28-30 those that were baptized with the baptism of John, justified God, and those that chose not to be baptized, rejected the counsel of God.
Luke 7:28-30
28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.
29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.
30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.
John’s baptism was a symbolic baptism. God tells us in Hebrews 9:22 that there is no “remission of sins” without the shedding of blood. At this time, Christ’s blood had not yet been shed.
Jesus spoke in Matthew 26:28 about His blood being the blood of the New Testament which is shed for “many” for the “remission of sins.”
Matthew 26:28 - "For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins."
We see in Acts 2:38 that on Pentecost, Peter preaches repentance and baptism for the “remission of sins.” Christ’s blood had been shed, so “remission of sins” was available for those who by faith obeyed and were baptized.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
We see in Mark 16:16 where Jesus speaks of believing faith accompanied by obedience.
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
In I Samuel 15:22 we are told “behold to obey is better than sacrifice.” Christ is the Lamb of God. He willingly sacrificed Himself upon the cross. Those under the “gospel of the kingdom” who believed in Jesus as the Christ, the Son of God, possessed obedient faith and were baptized.
The dispute between the Catholic Church and the Reformers on Justification is on the meaning of the Greek verb "to justify". Does it mean to make a sinner righteous or it only makes a sinner counted as righteous, based on alien/external righteousness of Christ, while he/she remains unrighteous. Justification is on-going process according to the Catholic Church but the Reformers taught that it is instantaneous and is therefore by faith alone.
According to Scripture we are made righteous through Christ (Rom. 5:19). In contrast the Reformers taught that we cannot be made righteous as we always fall short of God's perfect standard of righteousness. That is why we need external righteousness of Christ imputed on us, which does NOT make us righteous. Why being made righteous is essential for our salvation? Death is the wages of sin (Rom. 6:23) and the soul that sins shall die (Eze. 18:4). Scripture says it is righteousness that delivers from death (Pro. 10:2, 11:4). Pro. 11:19 says (ESV) "Whoever is steadfast in righteousness will live." Jesus said that the righteous shall go to eternal life (Mat. 25:46). In Gen. 15:6 what was counted (Hebrew verb חָשַׁב, Strong H2803) to Abraham for righteousness is faith. But what was counted (the same verb חָשַׁב) for righteousness to Phinehas in Psalms 106:31 was not faith but what he did as described in verse 30 (in more detail in Num. 25:7-8). Therefore, according to Scripture having faith is not the only source of our righteousness. 1 Jo. 3:7 says (ESV): "Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he [Christ] is righteous (1 Jo. 3:7)."
Being made righteous is NOT being sinless all the time. According to Scripture we lose righteousness through sinning and we regain it back through repenting AND doing what is right and just. Eze. 33:13-16 says (ESV):
"Though I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, yet if he trusts in his righteousness and does injustice, none of his righteous deeds shall be remembered, but in his injustice that he has done he shall die. Again, though I say to the wicked, ‘You shall surely die,’ yet if he turns from his sin and does what is just and right, if the wicked restores the pledge, gives back what he has taken by robbery, and walks in the statutes of life, not doing injustice, he shall surely live; he shall not die. None of the sins that he has committed shall be remembered against him. He has done what is just and right; he shall surely live."
According to Scripture the sins we commit after having faith in Christ does affect our salvation. Heb. 10:26-27 says (ESV): “For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.” “We” in verse 26 refers to the believers - it is first person plural that even includes the person who wrote Hebrews. In contrast the Reformers taught that all your sins that includes future sins were already imputed on Christ who already paid the penalty of those sins on the cross, therefore nullifying what Heb. 10:26-27 says.
My heart has been so far off. I’ve realized how much I fail the Lord and oh boy am I greatly appreciated by this message.
Born and raised Catholic, although it brought me to Christ through my parents, I was blind about catholicism, but now I see. God alone has opened my eyes, blessed be the Lord.
The dispute between the Catholic Church and the Reformers on Justification is on the meaning of the Greek verb "to justify". Does it mean to make a sinner righteous or it only makes a sinner counted as righteous, based on alien/external righteousness of Christ, while he/she remains unrighteous. Justification is on-going process according to the Catholic Church but the Reformers taught that it is instantaneous and is therefore by faith alone.
According to Scripture we are made righteous through Christ (Rom. 5:19). In contrast the Reformers taught that we cannot be made righteous as we always fall short of God's perfect standard of righteousness. That is why we need external righteousness of Christ imputed on us, which does NOT make us righteous. Why being made righteous is essential for our salvation? Death is the wages of sin (Rom. 6:23) and the soul that sins shall die (Eze. 18:4). Scripture says it is righteousness that delivers from death (Pro. 10:2, 11:4). Pro. 11:19 says (ESV) "Whoever is steadfast in righteousness will live." Jesus said that the righteous shall go to eternal life (Mat. 25:46). In Gen. 15:6 what was counted (Hebrew verb חָשַׁב, Strong H2803) to Abraham for righteousness is faith. But what was counted (the same verb חָשַׁב) for righteousness to Phinehas in Psalms 106:31 was not faith but what he did as described in verse 30 (in more detail in Num. 25:7-8). Therefore, according to Scripture having faith is not the only source of our righteousness. 1 Jo. 3:7 says (ESV): "Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he [Christ] is righteous (1 Jo. 3:7)."
Being made righteous is NOT being sinless all the time. According to Scripture we lose righteousness through sinning and we regain it back through repenting AND doing what is right and just. Eze. 33:13-16 says (ESV):
"Though I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, yet if he trusts in his righteousness and does injustice, none of his righteous deeds shall be remembered, but in his injustice that he has done he shall die. Again, though I say to the wicked, ‘You shall surely die,’ yet if he turns from his sin and does what is just and right, if the wicked restores the pledge, gives back what he has taken by robbery, and walks in the statutes of life, not doing injustice, he shall surely live; he shall not die. None of the sins that he has committed shall be remembered against him. He has done what is just and right; he shall surely live."
According to Scripture the sins we commit after having faith in Christ does affect our salvation. Heb. 10:26-27 says (ESV): “For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.” “We” in verse 26 refers to the believers - it is first person plural that even includes the person who wrote Hebrews. In contrast the Reformers taught that all your sins that includes future sins were already imputed on Christ who already paid the penalty of those sins on the cross, therefore nullifying what Heb. 10:26-27 says.
The difference is the Bible teaches salvation is by grace alone thru faith alone in Christ alone. Catholicism rejects and anathematizes (damns) anyone that believes faith in Christ alone saves, and teaches salvation by works.
@@TheJpep2424 Catholics do not believe in salvation by works and neither in faith alone salvation. Read what I wrote!
@@justfromcatholic I am talking about the Catholic church, not the people, and if you walk into the Vatican with all its wealth, robes, jewels, statues, gold, etc. You see the abomination right in your face, not to mention the atrocities over the centuries committed by the Popes. And furthermore,, the Catholic Church preaches a different gospel, purgatory where one must do penance and prayers to leave. This is an abomination to the Gospel of Jesus the Christ and just one of many examples.
@@lynnjamesallen1171 I am talking about the teaching of the Reformers, not their followers. If you have problem with the splendour shown in Vatican, then you should have problem also with Solomon Temple with statues of cherubs overlaid with gold (1 Kings 6:24-28) and statues of oxen (1 Kings 7:25) - in contrast Vatican has no statues overlaid with gold and no jewels.
Some Catholics did atrocities - that is true but so did the Protestants. For example, the Puritans of New England almost annihilated the Pequot Indians.
You yourself should examine your gospel, the gospel according to the Reformers. Following their teaching you believe that through faith alone you get Christ’ righteousness imputed on you while all your sins (past, present and even those committed after believing) were imputed on Christ who already paid the penalty of those sins. When you die and stand for judgment (Heb. 9:27), God will let you enter heaven because He won’t be able to see your sins being hidden under perfect righteousness of Christ. God also was not able to see Christ’ sinlessness being hidden under your accumulated sins and therefore He directed His anger and wrath to righteous Christ. Scripture says in Prov. 17:15 (ESV): "“He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous are both alike an abomination to the LORD.” Does your belief make God do what Scripture refers as abomination? How can you and your pastors call it gospel?
Seems like by definition a prophet must be something other than a teacher, scribe, or wise man. And each example has some extraordinary relayed message from God that’s worthy of being added to scripture. Some try to say preachers who teach scripture speak prophetically but really are they not just teaching what’s been often by prophets under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit?