Ive had my S4U for a little over a month now. Hands down the best resin printer ive ever used. I reported a bug in the screen uv and res calibration and Elegoo sent me a back up screen just in case it happens again. Awesome product and service.
The Saturn 4 Ultra is my first and o my resin printer so I don’t have a good point of comparison, but I love this thing. I still suck at supports and optimizing orientation, but I love the results. And it’s easy.
Argh, another click bait video.... a "clear winner" that then is just "pick whichever, both are good". Well that's not a very *clear* winner... is the difference worth it? Is the tilt mechanism worth the uncharge? I came here to find that out and left with no info on that, despite one being a clear winner... I don't know which is
Well if it’s not clearly the Ultra. Then watch again. But the problem is. Even though that is the better machine. The truth is, that still may not be the best pick for “you”. So chill out mate, it’s not like this has no value to people.
S4U is looking tempting its using the rocker method that we used for our top-down printers instead of having a wiper (anyone scared of the extra resin needed in VAT... add salt water when your on a budget ) , just got to watch the video compare with the GK Two now and decide ... personally I am a top-down fan but needing a bottom-up for mobility
Hate to be the bearer of bad news but atm there isn't a wash and cure that fits the s4u yet. FAQ on the xs states you can't use it with plate *For the Saturn 4 series and Jupiter series, you will need to remove the build platform for cleaning, which is different from other compatible models.
@WireHedd glad we're still in time then 😅 Overall it's not a bad set-up, but if you print a lot of bits or multipart regiments it's really practical to be able to hang the full plate in the washer. They keep saying it's in development but if you look at the q&a on the elegoo page... thats been goin on for a while (hoping at least by black friday, having missed summer sales and prime days already lol)
Been using my S4 ultra since day one release and yet to have any major fails. I had stopped 3D printing for under a year due to pain dialing in resin setting w past printers. This printer got me back in it! Great review of both printers
I bought two saturn 4 ultras, the drip trays are rubbish, so instead I cut out two Silicone mats and then used silicone sealant to attach to the build tray , works a treat any drips go on the silicone skirt as it were and just wipes away, it has not affected the machines tilt function at all . its something Elegoo should have done in the first place I feel. great video btw.
Luckily, my "resin room" is actually super consistent temperature-wise, so in a sense I don't need anything extra. But that changes if I ever move my printers to a different spot, or just moving at all. I actually got the regular Saturn 4 and I'm having a blast with it. This was mostly made due to having a way to print sponsorgift mini's for an event I'm organizing, and it was kind of last minute due to personal circumstances. So I just mostly wanted a good reliable printer that emits the results I want w/o too much fuss. My verdict ultimately, however, is that as someone who's also quite nutty about this kind of tech (and the ability to model and art of course helps with that), I'm very likely to get both, and by extension, use both. Either way, the regular Saturn 4 has already been very kind to me so far.
your videos definitely help me to convince myself to upgrade from my Phrozen 4k to Elegoo S4U. Is definitely a big change and now I can print with amazing details. Thanks for making all the amazing reviews. Keep it up!!!
My experience is with the 3 Ultra, but Lychee works flawlessly with the WiFi. Very rarely I'll get an error, but if I just restart Lychee it works on the second try every time, and that only takes a few seconds to restart the program and reload the slice file.
Got the S4U a month or so ago, and received the elegoo heater 2 days ago. was worried about its efficacy based on reviews but its been great so far at keeping a consistent 25 degrees. Only has a variance of about 10 degrees overnight to overcome so mileage may vary in colder climates. Happiest ive been with a resin printer after 4 years of owning various Anycubic models.
Oh interesting. What are your outside temps overnight. Just so I have a point of reference? I can’t test mine in the cold as we are in summer at the mo
@@FauxHammer 10-15 degrees overnight at the moment, I used to skip printing in the winter months as i'd see failures even during the day if it dropped under 20. printer is in a "nearly" fully enclosed storage area under the house.
very informative comparison. both printers seem great and the S4U tilting bed seems to take away half the hassle with calibration but how does that affect printing straight off the build plate and compression issues? The range finder to dial in your resin in my opinion should be a default function nowadays and it takes away so much time in getting exposure settings setup. the biggest thing the puts me of the S4 and S4U (and the mars 5) is that nightmare of a resin trap, the build plate. if i was to consider another elegoo printer (and my 4 MAX has just been fantastic) id go for the Saturn 3. ...A friend who's dressed in leather...
I'm honestly surprised that it's still priced reasonably for something that brings an improvement to the 24 micron class. Might look at it or the successor after I move to a place with more space for additional printers next spring.
If I were to pick, I'd go for the ultra. As it stands I can't really set the printer in a place with consistent ventilation so I need one that doesn't fart resin fumes as it prints. I'll stick to my D2 DLP, thank you.
I’m very happy with the S4U. This is my first resin printer and it has been very easy to use. The only con to this printer is the uneven compression in the first layers because it is “self leveling”. This is only an issue when printing miniature bases flat. Anything with a raft and supports prints flawless.
ACF last forever for me. Must be instalation issue or a bad film. I once poked my ACF with a knife when I trimmed the edges and I didnt realize it went through and it failed catastrophically on my Saturn 3. I paint my stuff so I am not worried about the horizontal lines because a they disappear with a primer layer. Because I have a bunch of ACF left over from the Saturn 3, I replaced the film on my Saturn 4 with it and it is still going strong after about a month of printing every day with no signs of stopping. I check it between prints with the finger method and there are no bumps or tears.
A few months before i knew about the S4U I bought an SU3. grabbed the S4U based on features alone. The S4U is a beast and it has been cranking out great prints. The only fails I've had are strictly due to chitubox being buggy af. I tried to set up the s3 to get more prints done and couldn't get a single print to adhere to the plate. Spent hours cleaning my vat, releveling, and trouble shooting. Most trouble ive had from a 3d printer ive run. Back in the box it went. I would sell it and buy a second s4u if I could.
I turned an old washing machine cabinet thing for a kitchen into a heated light proof enclosure, I live in a warmer climate and I use a small space heater in there set to 72F and it has increased the stability of my prints immensely
I'm on my 2nd week of printing on my mars 5 ultra. Already gone thru a kilo of resin. My DnD group is thrilled with the first batch of openLOCK dungeon tiles I printed.
Which one you think would be better for a beginner resing printer, Saturn 4 ultra or the uniformation GK2? Thanks for the videos. They are informative and make me wanting to buy a printer.
I have had 2 issues with my S4U - the Coiled "Phone Cable" behind the lead screen got jammed up and ruined a 12 hour print. And now I have small hairline cracks all over the tempered glass above the LCD. Elegoo was prompt on telling me how to fix the cable issue complete with a PDF, so I assume this is a problem issue. And I can only assume the glass cracking is from the plate pushing against it to "Auto Level". Hope elegoo will get me the replacement glass soon so I can start to print again. At least I have a GK2 as a back up. for now !
I have 2 S4's that I use almost daily, things are a Beast coming from my Anycubic 6k too. I couldn't justify the extra cost when most of the time I do print while at work or at night for "faster speeds". Havent had a single print faluire either. Roughly 5kg's of resin used between both and still going strong
I was going for a m5s pro but after seeing these videos, I think I'd go for a S4U just because I'm a total beginner when it comes to resin, I'm all about letting the machines do the heavy lifting with print quality rather than spend lots of time post processing
I went with the S4 Ultra and have put a little over 6kg of resin through it and its still going strong. The film looks in great condition still even tho ive been filling the plate on most prints. The only issue ive had twice is the printer freezing mid print. It did prompt me to resume when i power cycled it (have contacted Elegoo) but so far am really enjoying the printer. The split plate isnt too bad to clean if you dont frequently change resins (like some reviewers 🙂) my larger multi part prints have also fit together really well. im not sure if the tilt mechanism is responsible for the good dimensional accuracy but it definitely makes resin calibration MUCH easier (no need to worrt about lift speeds etc).
For the $100 difference if I could buy either it definitely would be the Ultra. I agree with the heater and I live in Florida where the temp can and does change 20+/-° in a single day. Once I get back on my feet your channel will definitely be the 1st I join on a monthly basis. Thank you so much for the information and truly unbiased opinions.
I bought an S4U yesterday and I don't think this video changed my mind however I really appreciate the effort and information put into this video. At the moment, I have a Mono X and Mono 6X and I'm excited for this printer. Pretty excited for the resin calibration stuff because that will save me a lot of time. Has anyone had any problems adding a flex plate to the printer since it auto calibrates? Are there any tips and tricks out there? Thanks!
@@FauxHammer I keep getting the "foreign object found" error with my build plate. Is there a way to fix this? I just do the "mandatory print" option and it works but I would like to not have to do this.
@@FauxHammer No, it's a brand new FEP. I emptied and cleaned the vat and I just installed it yesterday and have only printed 2 things. There is a reddit forum where people have said this is an issue but there isn't any solutions. If I take off the flex plate, the error goes away.
@@Happilymarrieddadright. So yeah. If you’ve added a flex plate. It will sense the flex plate as the obstruction as it is unable to press down as much as it thinks it should be able to..
thanks for another great video man! I still love my saturn 3 ultra, was glad to get rid of my m5s (I think it was a lemon, nothing stuck to the build plate, tried everything - but you hear that often. I didn't get the V2 build plate). is the 8ks still the best small printer? I want to get a small one for expensive resins with some swappable vats. (professional resins)
Just found your channel and will subscribe. Looking into a 3D printer and the saturn 4 ultra is at the top of my list. In terms of ease of use (least failed prints, least tinkering, least hassle possible) is the s4ultra the best option? A friend recommends the GK2 (he has a GK3 but its pricey and out of stock).
HeyGears’s is the least hassle. But that’s super expensive and has more limitations . After that, unless you have a heated room to print in. I’d get something with a heater like a GK2. This is easy. But also has some challenges too if you get one that isn’t level for example Saying that’s it is still a touch easier because fewer settings
Another great video once again. I am learning so much and still undecided but in no rush to jump into this hobby. Sign Off was fantastic, I love those friends.
Ciao , complimenti per i tuoi video, ho avuto fino a un mese fa' la elegoo Mars Pro , ma ora ho bisogno di passare a una stampante con area più grande e sono combattuto tra la Saturn 3 ultra e la Saturn 4 ultra , mi piacerebbe vedere un confronto per capire cosa prendere e uscire da questo limbo. Grazie
Firstly, thanks so much for this, and so many other incredibly informative vids. I’ve been deep-diving into reviews to find exactly the right 3D resin printer. I finally landed on the Saturn 4 Ultra, and I managed to avoid a few pitfalls along the way because of you. What really did it for me was the extra beginner-friendly features of the ultra so there is less I have to worry about. You’ve made a subscriber out of me, so, thanks again! Secondly, I was hoping you might have some recommendations on resin for a beginner? I was going to get some Wargamer (obviously!) for flexible durability for minis; some Phrozen Onyx Rigid Pro410 for rigid durability for props and tools, containers, or useful bobs; and some Phrozen Aqua 8k for ultra-fine detailed display pieces and busts. Thoughts or suggestions? Thanks!
Don't overlook Sunlu abs-like. It's very inexpensive, the print detail once you get it dialed in is very hard to distinguish from phrozen Hyperfine, and it's serviceable for most stuff you would be using for parts. I haven't used their string or tough resins, but I hear they're really good. Never buy phrozen's normal abs-like resin. It's over priced, miss labeled standard resin. Worst stuff I've used. Their abs-like+ specs are only slightly better than the sunlu abs like for about three times the cost of you wait for one of the regular sunlu sales. If you ever need something indestructible liqcrete. It's crazy expensive, it's crazy long exposure times, and it's crazy to have to grab a pair of snips and worry for the snips to separate the cubes from j3dtech's cubes of calibration. They make pretty much the strongest and most durable stuff you're likely to find.
Thanks. Speed is much harder to dial in than just comparing them like that. You need to gradually increase speed in small increments and multiple prints to see a difference, and then do I compare the Saturn 4 with the ACF it comes with or do I swap it fir OFA to maintain quality. I get that would be valuable but it’s beyond the scope of what I have time to do unfortunately
@FauxHammer yeah that's the hard part is time. I think its hard since a lot of claim behind speed of 2x to 3x faster but does that really translate to increase in speed?
Yes Saturn 3 vs 4 please, including the ultra models. Trying to decide between 3 and 4 ultra at the moment. Main influence is price. Not sure if I care about the print speed that much. 🥴
@@FauxHammer after another 24hrs I decided to opt for the S4 ultra! I wanted the resin exposure calibration feature and it’s only $130 more than a Saturn 3. Seems worth the price difference! Thanks for your reviews! I’m just getting back into resin printing after having a lot of fun 5 years ago with the basic anycubic photon. Super excited to return and learn how much advancement in the tech there has been. Cheers!
I have run over 200 liters through my Saturn 3 Ultra. Replaced the film 3 times and the screen once. Love it. Is it worth upgrading to the 4 or 4 Ultra, really?
@FauxHammer Appreciate that info. I'm going to hold off for now. Now I wonder if the Phrozen Mega 8K VS is worth twice the cost of the 8K S model... After all, your old videos on the previous Saturn's and how to understand XY resolution versus marketing resolution is why I got it. Also, the content is getting more engaging as time goes on. Thank you for your hard work and exceptional content.
Not yet taken the plunge yet - this is the 2nd time lookign at it Main reasons last time I didn;t press the button were Cost v am I going to use it. / Lack of WIFI / temp variations where this would live. reason 1 still there. Woudl I really use it to make $400+ worth it, it would novently wear off!. Really not sure. Reason2 - WIFI / networking - looks like its getting there! (Horray!) #3 Temp - Live in nothern California. Summer get to over 100 F / Winter drops to close to feezing. This is going in the Garage so will experience full variation - A Vat heater would be so benificial. otherwise I have to concoct some sort of heath robinson setup. Esp as its prob winter when I will be using this. Still looks like its getting there and they are finally taking the feature focust off the resolution one up manship. I think if I could ensure a conssitant resin temp it woudl be worth takign the plundge
no need to shout, It's too subjective, I've done it before and i get far too many "yeah but (resin,layer-height,temperature,wait times)" comments to consider even inviting such pointless discourse again.. But please consider the Ultra as about 3x faster than the normal.
When I saw the features of the Saturn 4 Ultra before its release, I thought its price would be over $1,000. Thanks to Elegoo for releasing such a great printer at an awesome price.
Something that caught my attention: the saturn 3 ultra has a ball screw. I assumed this would be carried on to the saturn 4 ultra, but it looks like it has not. If you check the specs for the saturn 3 ultra it has 'z axis accuracy' of 0.01, while the saturn 4 ultra only has 'z axis accuracy' of 0.02. I guess this is related to the type of screw used. It doesn't look like this has a major impact on the print quality - the saturn 4 prints look great. But it is interesting to note. The lack of a gasket on the saturn 4 ultra is a concern for me. I recently made the mistake of moving my saturn 3 ultra to a different bench without emptying the vat. I thought i would be able to carry it steadily enough not to spill anything but I was totally wrong and I had a lot of cleanup to do afterwards. With the saturn 3 it was not a disaster as spilled resin won't get inside the unit. On the saturn 4 ultra though, this could have been catastrophic. Sorry to hear that you don't think much of the elegoo mini heater. I was thinking about getting one. I haven't been able to do any printing over winter.
I currently have a saturn 3 ultra and a mars 3 , I love both but the wireless on the s3u is so convenient ( i am a wheelchair user so moving from my pc to my printers is a literal pain) so I would always go for a wireless printer. I also use lychee and it supports the 4 ultra and the wifi system works well wit the s3u and i hope it will for the s4u. losing a load of retract settings is great for beginners but i hope the tilt mechanism doesn't wear and become inaccurate. I agree the lack of a seal/gasket seams to be an oversite. As my 2 printers are doing so well I may skip this generation and wait for the s6u with all the minor improvements incorporated.
Yeah WiFi is super handy. And yah I’m also keen to see how the mechanism holds up. Elegoo have said they stress tested it. But I’m taking that with a pinch of salt
You might as well pay the extra $100 for the speed upgrade of the Ultra vs the Non Ultra due to its Tilting Bed the WiFi is just a Plus at that point. its Only $419 total from elegoo that crazy I paid that for my Mars 3 !
Love the Placebo line at the end. Ultra for me, when I can justify the upgrade properly. Tbh I'll probably be getting the next iteration but that print speed is enticing
@@FauxHammer I was going to respond with a Placebo quote to put said person down, but then I realised I'd already given them too much effort even considering it. You provide an awesome service, as well as being entertaining, and if someone has a problem with you quoting song lyrics, they might need to chill out. I have a friend who might be holding something that could help...
@@robking6975haha, I nearly suggested that to them too!. To be fair they apologised after I explained the source. But I’m also not here to justify what I choose to do in Amsterdam, Vegas or Chicago. I’m here to talk about printers and splint song lyrics.
ive had my S4U for a few days and getting nothing but failed print after failed print and there's a shit tonne of people on reddit and discord reporting the same thing. My issues have persisted after multiple test increasing exposure times and attempted calibrations.... 😭
It's probably an uneven bed and Elegoo have been shit at explaining this to anyone. Check out Greedy 3d's video on the Mrs 5 Ultra for an idea of how to level it
It’ll be a minimal difference and it really is gonna be down to personal choices if things like resin and type of model. Most people print presupported stuff anyway. So the point it niche
How is the build plate handling for a small work area? My saturn 2 has the perfect size to manipulate in a confined area with minimal drips, the saturn 4 build plate looks quite a bit bulkier.
I have several original mars1, a mars 1 pro and a mars2. I am thinking of upgrading to a larger printer. The Saturn 4 ultra is very tempting, but I think I will wait for the Saturn 5 ultra.....I am guessing they will of added a heater by then, meaning I will be able to print in the cold months. The only pain is I will have to upgrade my wash stations (I use two, one with dirty ipa, the other with clean ipa.....I find this reduces the amount of ipa I use significantly)
Got my 4 ultra off the back of the 1st video, solid peace of kit! Just out of interest Ross, I also got the GK3 during your promo, how well did that promo go from your point of view? Cheers my man
Hey, Thanks for video! I am really curios about another comparison though, S3U vs S4 I do understand all the benefits of S4U it's a great machine, but I don't really prioritize the speed, less settings and other minor benefits is good too but still i am ok with not having these. And theoretically, if price of S3U and S4 was the same, what would be better bang for buck? (I really love wifi feature and it's huge QoL improvement for me) Once again thank you for your work, watched most of your vids!
Thanks. Well the Saturn 4 also reduces quality as it uses ACF too. But beyond that…. Do you want WiFi (S3U) or autoleveleing that isn’t autoleveling (S4).
@@FauxHammer I guess for me that "autoleveling" is a gimmick, It's not a problem to calibrate bed once in a while (it's not rocket science), but that additional bulkyness with that fat "auto-leveled" bed and complication of cleaning... I am not sure that i see enough merits in this.
G'day m8...i would like to see the differance between an older 4k over the newer 8K+ advertised resolutions.....i ask as i bought a new Nova3d Whale 2, 4K 8.9in screen in january of 2023 and im still very much a noob. Any vids on this i would be very interested in. I'm Partially disabled and 3d printing has helped save me, but i could only afford my resin printer as it was very cheap and the last one in Australia. Big Cheers From A M8 Downunder🙃
Honestly. Quality difference between them is likely to be of small significance. But printers with a few usability enhancements are coming now Youd be best off watching videos for a few modern machines
Not mentioning the cost of the printers was not a bug….its a new feature ! To be honest, an at the “time of filming” disclaimer would be very helpful. Great video tho !
Well. I did show the current prices. But here’s the issue. I’ve done that before. And as soon as people see it. It draws their eye to the release date of the video and even a month after the release treat it as outdated and click away
@@stevekay6895yeah I believe so. I saw the video grow then suddenly drop. As I looked at the anyalytkcs it started growing from the point I mentioned the prices and got loads of comments ta telling me my prices are wrong and I should make a new video that’s up to date.. A month later. The price went back up and has changed several times since
@@stevekay6895nah they wouldn’t. You do you. And it either works or doesn’t. It’s a lot of numbers and luck to grow a channel. I don’t make excuses. I just say it how it is.
Still torn between S3U and the S4U. The build plate design of the S4U seems awful and don't see a reason to move away from the 4 screw design considering all the pain it introduces but damn that tilting vat is slick. So yeah either go with a proven S3U or go for the new shiny
Glad you got it… someone else had a go at me for being pro weed! I was just saying an amusing and memorable line from a song. They’re gonna shit next week when I quote down with the Sickness - maybe I’m then pro Covid!
does a "comparison" video and one of the only important differences is speed and he does not show print time comparisons. come on! difference in each layer is interesting but I want to know how that actually translates to full models
How would you have me do a speed comparison difference? Let me know and I’ll list all the ways that test isn’t fair or useful. Just like everyone did to me last time I tried this. The amount of work that goes into to doing this properly is beyond my ability. So, as I said. The Ultra is about 3x faster than the normal
@FauxHammer i would print your regular test wolveriene bust and print on both printers at the same resolution with the same resin. and then compare the print time to the height of the print. ie saturn 4 printed 120mm in and x time at y resolution while the ultra printed 120mm in x time at the same resolution, then compare each printer, prints x mm/hr at high resolutoion.or even just regularly comparing how fast each print takes is helpful to see which if faster. it only matters the time it takes to get the result you want. if the printers produce the same item.
@@timstoth4271 forgive me, but have you even watched the video? I’m happy to support people. But you watching the video is kind of the least effort I would kindly request from your side before providing specific advice. Otherwise I’m kinda just repeating myself. Was there a part that was unclear? I’ll be happy to clarify.
@@FauxHammer I've watched both videos plus the latest comparing the two printers quite a few times BUT I wasn't writing every comment down on an A4 pad hence the question
@@timstoth4271 again. Please Forgive me. I did not want to assume but needed to ask. Because I am wondering why you are asking which I would recommend. Because I really depends on you.. if you want a cheap high quality printer. I’d recommend the 4, unless you can find a Staden 3 cheaper. In which case get one of those If you want all the extra features and are willing to pay for them. Get the Ultra. But then you may be after specifics. Which one can do antialiasing better. Which one is faster, which one has WiFi. Perhaps the gap in the side of the ultra will not work for you and is too much risk. So I’d need to know more about you and what you want in order to make a direct recommendation. That’s why I’d asked if you’d watched. I recommend both. But without understanding what you want. I could just as easily recommend neither.
This should be a 5 second video…although, I would still buy a Saturn 3 Ultra before buying a Saturn 4 Ultra…and would buy a Mars 4 Ultra before the Saturn 3 Ultra (and I did).
@@FauxHammer yes...if it's a choice between the Saturn 4 or Saturn 4 Ultra, clearly the Ultra is the winner...done. Maybe 10 seconds to answer that question? Shouldn't take 15 minutes to pick a winner between these two, right? Too many features left out on the Saturn 4 to make it a fair fight. If you were comparing either to another brand/model there's more room for discussion; however, between these two there's no question...the Ultra wins.
@@forrestegancool. Thanks for the input. If you don’t mind I’m gonna leave this as it is first the people who do t know as much as you and come the value here.
I've had my saturn 4 ultra for less than a month...last night it's main board died on mecand I have to replace it....honestly wtf elegoo and all they offered me was a single sheet of fep ... Power switch location sucks, I don't use usb since as you said it's painful to use
@FauxHammer it came yesterday just did it's test file print and a print of an item I'm short on...holy crap I think I spent more time post print processing them
I have a Saturn 4 and love it. Does great prints. The one big let down is the build plate. Whoever designed this thing deserves a kick square in the nuts. It is so hard to clean properly and the handle is not great to hole. Can be very easy to drop. But having said that, I would buy it again,
My drip tray has developed a hole in one corner. Im guessing alcohol pooled there and ate thru the plastic. Im very disappointed in the whole thing as its extremely difficult to clean because of the raised letters. Now alcohol is eating thru it? Wow elegoo....
Ive had my S4U for a little over a month now. Hands down the best resin printer ive ever used. I reported a bug in the screen uv and res calibration and Elegoo sent me a back up screen just in case it happens again. Awesome product and service.
This is why I eventually went with a Neptune 3 Pro when my Ender started dying. Elegoo’s customer service and support is top.
Oh wow. That’s customer care!
what we really want is video about Saturn 3 ultra vs Saturn 4 ultra
Ok. Leave it with me
Agreed, that would be a much better comparison!
No matter who loses we both win. I love battles like these.
Thabks
The Saturn 4 Ultra is my first and o my resin printer so I don’t have a good point of comparison, but I love this thing. I still suck at supports and optimizing orientation, but I love the results. And it’s easy.
It may be your first and only. But I agree with your assessment
I went straight in for the S4U as my big printer. Blows me away everytime
Nice! It is awesome
Argh, another click bait video.... a "clear winner" that then is just "pick whichever, both are good". Well that's not a very *clear* winner... is the difference worth it? Is the tilt mechanism worth the uncharge? I came here to find that out and left with no info on that, despite one being a clear winner... I don't know which is
Well if it’s not clearly the Ultra. Then watch again.
But the problem is. Even though that is the better machine. The truth is, that still may not be the best pick for “you”.
So chill out mate, it’s not like this has no value to people.
I help you buy the ultra 4 if youconsider one of these if you would go for the 4 get the 3 instead.
S4U is looking tempting its using the rocker method that we used for our top-down printers instead of having a wiper (anyone scared of the extra resin needed in VAT... add salt water when your on a budget ) , just got to watch the video compare with the GK Two now and decide ... personally I am a top-down fan but needing a bottom-up for mobility
As always, thank you for another great video! Always informative and fun to watch!
Also, I would love to see a Saturn 3 vs 4 video!
Thanks. I’ll try
I got the ultra. Interestingly, it has a crack on the lid in exactly the same place as your Saturn.
Yeah, a few of them have this.
Already ordered my S4U with the wash and cure station accessory kit. Excellent video Ross. Thanks dude.
A friend with br++sts and all the rest...
Hate to be the bearer of bad news but atm there isn't a wash and cure that fits the s4u yet. FAQ on the xs states you can't use it with plate
*For the Saturn 4 series and Jupiter series, you will need to remove the build platform for cleaning, which is different from other compatible models.
@@adanhu Well FFS. I guess I better take a look at that order again. Thanks for that.
@WireHedd glad we're still in time then 😅
Overall it's not a bad set-up, but if you print a lot of bits or multipart regiments it's really practical to be able to hang the full plate in the washer.
They keep saying it's in development but if you look at the q&a on the elegoo page... thats been goin on for a while (hoping at least by black friday, having missed summer sales and prime days already lol)
Been using my S4 ultra since day one release and yet to have any major fails. I had stopped 3D printing for under a year due to pain dialing in resin setting w past printers. This printer got me back in it! Great review of both printers
Thanks for sharing
I bought two saturn 4 ultras, the drip trays are rubbish, so instead I cut out two Silicone mats and then used silicone sealant to attach to the build tray , works a treat any drips go on the silicone skirt as it were and just wipes away, it has not affected the machines tilt function at all . its something Elegoo should have done in the first place I feel. great video btw.
Hah. Smart idea. I’d love to see a video if that
Same here!
Same here!
Pics (video) or it didn't happen! :)
Luckily, my "resin room" is actually super consistent temperature-wise, so in a sense I don't need anything extra.
But that changes if I ever move my printers to a different spot, or just moving at all.
I actually got the regular Saturn 4 and I'm having a blast with it. This was mostly made due to having a way to print sponsorgift mini's for an event I'm organizing, and it was kind of last minute due to personal circumstances. So I just mostly wanted a good reliable printer that emits the results I want w/o too much fuss.
My verdict ultimately, however, is that as someone who's also quite nutty about this kind of tech (and the ability to model and art of course helps with that), I'm very likely to get both, and by extension, use both. Either way, the regular Saturn 4 has already been very kind to me so far.
yup 4 ultra is what im getting. thank you so much
your videos definitely help me to convince myself to upgrade from my Phrozen 4k to Elegoo S4U. Is definitely a big change and now I can print with amazing details. Thanks for making all the amazing reviews. Keep it up!!!
Glad I could help!
I have the Saturn 1 and 2, but I'm really tempted by the 4 ultra.
It is a lovely printer
I'm going for the Saturn 4 Ultra. Love the tilting vat system, and this will (hopefully) make the printer last for a couple of years
My experience is with the 3 Ultra, but Lychee works flawlessly with the WiFi. Very rarely I'll get an error, but if I just restart Lychee it works on the second try every time, and that only takes a few seconds to restart the program and reload the slice file.
Got the S4U a month or so ago, and received the elegoo heater 2 days ago. was worried about its efficacy based on reviews but its been great so far at keeping a consistent 25 degrees. Only has a variance of about 10 degrees overnight to overcome so mileage may vary in colder climates. Happiest ive been with a resin printer after 4 years of owning various Anycubic models.
Oh interesting. What are your outside temps overnight. Just so I have a point of reference? I can’t test mine in the cold as we are in summer at the mo
@@FauxHammer 10-15 degrees overnight at the moment, I used to skip printing in the winter months as i'd see failures even during the day if it dropped under 20. printer is in a "nearly" fully enclosed storage area under the house.
very informative comparison. both printers seem great and the S4U tilting bed seems to take away half the hassle with calibration but how does that affect printing straight off the build plate and compression issues?
The range finder to dial in your resin in my opinion should be a default function nowadays and it takes away so much time in getting exposure settings setup. the biggest thing the puts me of the S4 and S4U (and the mars 5) is that nightmare of a resin trap, the build plate. if i was to consider another elegoo printer (and my 4 MAX has just been fantastic) id go for the Saturn 3.
...A friend who's dressed in leather...
I'm honestly surprised that it's still priced reasonably for something that brings an improvement to the 24 micron class. Might look at it or the successor after I move to a place with more space for additional printers next spring.
Yeah the price still shocks me!
If I were to pick, I'd go for the ultra. As it stands I can't really set the printer in a place with consistent ventilation so I need one that doesn't fart resin fumes as it prints. I'll stick to my D2 DLP, thank you.
Yes please - Saturn 3 vs 4 review!
I love my Saturn 4. As a test I ran it out of the box without calibrating or plate levelling and it worked perfectly!
Oh wow!!! Nice
I’m very happy with the S4U. This is my first resin printer and it has been very easy to use. The only con to this printer is the uneven compression in the first layers because it is “self leveling”. This is only an issue when printing miniature bases flat. Anything with a raft and supports prints flawless.
Yeah that’s fair. You can level it but Elegoo have done a terrible job of communicating it.
ACF last forever for me. Must be instalation issue or a bad film. I once poked my ACF with a knife when I trimmed the edges and I didnt realize it went through and it failed catastrophically on my Saturn 3. I paint my stuff so I am not worried about the horizontal lines because a they disappear with a primer layer. Because I have a bunch of ACF left over from the Saturn 3, I replaced the film on my Saturn 4 with it and it is still going strong after about a month of printing every day with no signs of stopping. I check it between prints with the finger method and there are no bumps or tears.
Absolutely fair. I’ve punctured 1 PFA in my reviews ever. And 3 ACF. So that’s my experience
A few months before i knew about the S4U I bought an SU3. grabbed the S4U based on features alone. The S4U is a beast and it has been cranking out great prints. The only fails I've had are strictly due to chitubox being buggy af. I tried to set up the s3 to get more prints done and couldn't get a single print to adhere to the plate. Spent hours cleaning my vat, releveling, and trouble shooting. Most trouble ive had from a 3d printer ive run. Back in the box it went. I would sell it and buy a second s4u if I could.
I honestly found more use in the old Chitubox rather than the new one
I turned an old washing machine cabinet thing for a kitchen into a heated light proof enclosure, I live in a warmer climate and I use a small space heater in there set to 72F and it has increased the stability of my prints immensely
Perfect thanks for echoing my point
Always appreciate your reviews on these printers Ross! You are my first and last stop before I pull the trigger on a new printer.
Thanks kindly
I'm on my 2nd week of printing on my mars 5 ultra. Already gone thru a kilo of resin. My DnD group is thrilled with the first batch of openLOCK dungeon tiles I printed.
Oh brilliant. Sounds like you’ll get your moneys worth from that one.
Which one you think would be better for a beginner resing printer, Saturn 4 ultra or the uniformation GK2? Thanks for the videos. They are informative and make me wanting to buy a printer.
I would get the gk2
Ultra as there are less settings.
But the gktwo if you can’t keep your room temp consistent.
@@ibrahimkesici9780 thanks
@@FauxHammer thanks for the suggestion. Appreciate it.
I have had 2 issues with my S4U - the Coiled "Phone Cable" behind the lead screen got jammed up and ruined a 12 hour print. And now I have small hairline cracks all over the tempered glass above the LCD. Elegoo was prompt on telling me how to fix the cable issue complete with a PDF, so I assume this is a problem issue. And I can only assume the glass cracking is from the plate pushing against it to "Auto Level". Hope elegoo will get me the replacement glass soon so I can start to print again. At least I have a GK2 as a back up. for now !
Which printer you like more? I’m between the S4U and the GK2. Thanks
I have 2 S4's that I use almost daily, things are a Beast coming from my Anycubic 6k too. I couldn't justify the extra cost when most of the time I do print while at work or at night for "faster speeds". Havent had a single print faluire either. Roughly 5kg's of resin used between both and still going strong
Nice and smart decisions made if that’s your print schedule
I was going for a m5s pro but after seeing these videos, I think I'd go for a S4U just because I'm a total beginner when it comes to resin, I'm all about letting the machines do the heavy lifting with print quality rather than spend lots of time post processing
The Saturns have sharper prints too! Good call!
I'd be keen to see a Saturn 3 VS Saturn 4 video.
I went with the S4 Ultra and have put a little over 6kg of resin through it and its still going strong. The film looks in great condition still even tho ive been filling the plate on most prints. The only issue ive had twice is the printer freezing mid print. It did prompt me to resume when i power cycled it (have contacted Elegoo) but so far am really enjoying the printer.
The split plate isnt too bad to clean if you dont frequently change resins (like some reviewers 🙂) my larger multi part prints have also fit together really well. im not sure if the tilt mechanism is responsible for the good dimensional accuracy but it definitely makes resin calibration MUCH easier (no need to worrt about lift speeds etc).
Glad you’re having a great time with it!
For the $100 difference if I could buy either it definitely would be the Ultra. I agree with the heater and I live in Florida where the temp can and does change 20+/-° in a single day. Once I get back on my feet your channel will definitely be the 1st I join on a monthly basis. Thank you so much for the information and truly unbiased opinions.
Thanks. I’m so glad you get it with the heater. I hope that would also help reduce your humidity too?
I bought an S4U yesterday and I don't think this video changed my mind however I really appreciate the effort and information put into this video. At the moment, I have a Mono X and Mono 6X and I'm excited for this printer. Pretty excited for the resin calibration stuff because that will save me a lot of time. Has anyone had any problems adding a flex plate to the printer since it auto calibrates? Are there any tips and tricks out there? Thanks!
Oh this will be a lovely speed upgrade for you.
@@FauxHammer I keep getting the "foreign object found" error with my build plate. Is there a way to fix this? I just do the "mandatory print" option and it works but I would like to not have to do this.
It must be detecting something. Maybe even a small crease in your fep
@@FauxHammer No, it's a brand new FEP. I emptied and cleaned the vat and I just installed it yesterday and have only printed 2 things. There is a reddit forum where people have said this is an issue but there isn't any solutions. If I take off the flex plate, the error goes away.
@@Happilymarrieddadright. So yeah. If you’ve added a flex plate. It will sense the flex plate as the obstruction as it is unable to press down as much as it thinks it should be able to..
thanks for another great video man!
I still love my saturn 3 ultra, was glad to get rid of my m5s (I think it was a lemon, nothing stuck to the build plate, tried everything - but you hear that often. I didn't get the V2 build plate).
is the 8ks still the best small printer? I want to get a small one for expensive resins with some swappable vats. (professional resins)
Yeah the 8ks is still the best small one IMo. But you’d be better off with a 10” printer of equal quality. Which is almost anything but an Anycubic.
Just found your channel and will subscribe. Looking into a 3D printer and the saturn 4 ultra is at the top of my list. In terms of ease of use (least failed prints, least tinkering, least hassle possible) is the s4ultra the best option? A friend recommends the GK2 (he has a GK3 but its pricey and out of stock).
HeyGears’s is the least hassle. But that’s super expensive and has more limitations .
After that, unless you have a heated room to print in. I’d get something with a heater like a GK2.
This is easy. But also has some challenges too if you get one that isn’t level for example
Saying that’s it is still a touch easier because fewer settings
Another great video once again. I am learning so much and still undecided but in no rush to jump into this hobby. Sign Off was fantastic, I love those friends.
Thanks so much!!!
Already bought mine. They have a handful of used units on eBay at a great price considering they’re basically brand new 🙌
Oh brilliant!!! Good find!
Ciao , complimenti per i tuoi video, ho avuto fino a un mese fa' la elegoo Mars Pro , ma ora ho bisogno di passare a una stampante con area più grande e sono combattuto tra la Saturn 3 ultra e la Saturn 4 ultra , mi piacerebbe vedere un confronto per capire cosa prendere e uscire da questo limbo. Grazie
If light goes off mean to say current goes off n come back.the printer start from 1st layer or continues to print.
Saturn 4
I'm not likely to be getting a resin printer anytime soon, but if I did, I feel like I would go for the ultra of these two
Thanks, really appreciate your view.
So if you add a heater to the new Elegoo Saturn 4 and 4 ultra. Should you even spend the money on a Gk2?
Yes. Heating the train from below is a much more efficient and consistent way to heat it.
Firstly, thanks so much for this, and so many other incredibly informative vids. I’ve been deep-diving into reviews to find exactly the right 3D resin printer. I finally landed on the Saturn 4 Ultra, and I managed to avoid a few pitfalls along the way because of you. What really did it for me was the extra beginner-friendly features of the ultra so there is less I have to worry about. You’ve made a subscriber out of me, so, thanks again!
Secondly, I was hoping you might have some recommendations on resin for a beginner? I was going to get some Wargamer (obviously!) for flexible durability for minis; some Phrozen Onyx Rigid Pro410 for rigid durability for props and tools, containers, or useful bobs; and some Phrozen Aqua 8k for ultra-fine detailed display pieces and busts. Thoughts or suggestions? Thanks!
thanks so much!!!
Don't overlook Sunlu abs-like. It's very inexpensive, the print detail once you get it dialed in is very hard to distinguish from phrozen Hyperfine, and it's serviceable for most stuff you would be using for parts. I haven't used their string or tough resins, but I hear they're really good.
Never buy phrozen's normal abs-like resin. It's over priced, miss labeled standard resin. Worst stuff I've used. Their abs-like+ specs are only slightly better than the sunlu abs like for about three times the cost of you wait for one of the regular sunlu sales.
If you ever need something indestructible liqcrete. It's crazy expensive, it's crazy long exposure times, and it's crazy to have to grab a pair of snips and worry for the snips to separate the cubes from j3dtech's cubes of calibration. They make pretty much the strongest and most durable stuff you're likely to find.
Since the S4 doesn't have Antialiasing, it's not even close
It actually does… use the old version of Chitubox and it works
I'd really love to see a S3U vs S4 vs S4U. Same resin, same models, same layer count (to compare speed). Really need to see this 😊😂
Thanks. Speed is much harder to dial in than just comparing them like that. You need to gradually increase speed in small increments and multiple prints to see a difference, and then do I compare the Saturn 4 with the ACF it comes with or do I swap it fir OFA to maintain quality.
I get that would be valuable but it’s beyond the scope of what I have time to do unfortunately
@FauxHammer yeah that's the hard part is time. I think its hard since a lot of claim behind speed of 2x to 3x faster but does that really translate to increase in speed?
Yes Saturn 3 vs 4 please, including the ultra models. Trying to decide between 3 and 4 ultra at the moment. Main influence is price. Not sure if I care about the print speed that much. 🥴
If you don’t care about speed. Get a 3 or a 4 normal. Whatever is cheaper.
@@FauxHammer after another 24hrs I decided to opt for the S4 ultra! I wanted the resin exposure calibration feature and it’s only $130 more than a Saturn 3. Seems worth the price difference! Thanks for your reviews! I’m just getting back into resin printing after having a lot of fun 5 years ago with the basic anycubic photon. Super excited to return and learn how much advancement in the tech there has been. Cheers!
@@austinboudreaux7937it’s well worth the difference to be honest
with a tank heater, or under screen heater, adjustable exposure support ends and a non double-decker print bed this would be perfect.
Agreed.
I have run over 200 liters through my Saturn 3 Ultra. Replaced the film 3 times and the screen once. Love it. Is it worth upgrading to the 4 or 4 Ultra, really?
Ummm. You get a great speed bump from the 4 ultra. But otherwise they are mostly the same.
@FauxHammer Appreciate that info. I'm going to hold off for now. Now I wonder if the Phrozen Mega 8K VS is worth twice the cost of the 8K S model...
After all, your old videos on the previous Saturn's and how to understand XY resolution versus marketing resolution is why I got it. Also, the content is getting more engaging as time goes on. Thank you for your hard work and exceptional content.
@@dirtyDJdoes well it’s more than twice as big. But you loose a bit of detail. So it depends what you need in terms of print quality and size
@@FauxHammer Detail is important. Want a bigger build plate for resin printing than Elegoo and most others offer.
Great vid. I have an S4U and it's awesome. Glad to see you're feeling better 🙂
Lol, this was filmed before I went away... Still feel awful over a week later
@@FauxHammer Sorry mate, hope you start to feel better soon!
yes for 3 vs 4 ultra
Did you even say which was the clear winner?
Ah, your back. Yes… the Saturn 4 ultra is clearly the better machine
Great review, would you recommend Saturn 4 Ultra or Uniformation gk3?
Both completely different printers. I’d recommend both for different reasons.
you are not correct. I've already ordered the ultra. i may have no willpower, but i make up for it with.. umm.. the thing. you know..
Lol
Not yet taken the plunge yet - this is the 2nd time lookign at it Main reasons last time I didn;t press the button were Cost v am I going to use it. / Lack of WIFI / temp variations where this would live.
reason 1 still there. Woudl I really use it to make $400+ worth it, it would novently wear off!. Really not sure.
Reason2 - WIFI / networking - looks like its getting there! (Horray!)
#3 Temp - Live in nothern California. Summer get to over 100 F / Winter drops to close to feezing. This is going in the Garage so will experience full variation - A Vat heater would be so benificial. otherwise I have to concoct some sort of heath robinson setup. Esp as its prob winter when I will be using this.
Still looks like its getting there and they are finally taking the feature focust off the resolution one up manship. I think if I could ensure a conssitant resin temp it woudl be worth takign the plundge
WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO SEE A SPEED COMPARISON.
no need to shout,
It's too subjective, I've done it before and i get far too many "yeah but (resin,layer-height,temperature,wait times)" comments to consider even inviting such pointless discourse again.. But please consider the Ultra as about 3x faster than the normal.
When I saw the features of the Saturn 4 Ultra before its release, I thought its price would be over $1,000. Thanks to Elegoo for releasing such a great printer at an awesome price.
I know right. They could easily charge more for this!
Cool comparison bro. Great vid. Yes, you should do a Saturn 3 ultra vs the 4 ultra, Why not ?
Thanks. Because I could maybe do a different video in that time that has more value to more people
Something that caught my attention: the saturn 3 ultra has a ball screw. I assumed this would be carried on to the saturn 4 ultra, but it looks like it has not. If you check the specs for the saturn 3 ultra it has 'z axis accuracy' of 0.01, while the saturn 4 ultra only has 'z axis accuracy' of 0.02. I guess this is related to the type of screw used. It doesn't look like this has a major impact on the print quality - the saturn 4 prints look great. But it is interesting to note.
The lack of a gasket on the saturn 4 ultra is a concern for me. I recently made the mistake of moving my saturn 3 ultra to a different bench without emptying the vat. I thought i would be able to carry it steadily enough not to spill anything but I was totally wrong and I had a lot of cleanup to do afterwards. With the saturn 3 it was not a disaster as spilled resin won't get inside the unit. On the saturn 4 ultra though, this could have been catastrophic.
Sorry to hear that you don't think much of the elegoo mini heater. I was thinking about getting one. I haven't been able to do any printing over winter.
Honestly, I feel most of these specs are made up. Due to lack of pressure compensation. I have no idea how they would even calibrate this.
A friend in need... LOL
I currently have a saturn 3 ultra and a mars 3 , I love both but the wireless on the s3u is so convenient ( i am a wheelchair user so moving from my pc to my printers is a literal pain) so I would always go for a wireless printer. I also use lychee and it supports the 4 ultra and the wifi system works well wit the s3u and i hope it will for the s4u.
losing a load of retract settings is great for beginners but i hope the tilt mechanism doesn't wear and become inaccurate. I agree the lack of a seal/gasket seams to be an oversite. As my 2 printers are doing so well I may skip this generation and wait for the s6u with all the minor improvements incorporated.
Yeah WiFi is super handy. And yah I’m also keen to see how the mechanism holds up. Elegoo have said they stress tested it. But I’m taking that with a pinch of salt
so does the vat move on the saturn 4
No, just the ultra
Please please do a Saturn 3 Vs Saturn 4 (standard, not ultra) review. Would really love to see your thoughts.
I’ll try
Great video. Any insight on printing flexibles with the ultra?
I’ve not really tried it to be honest.
You might as well pay the extra $100 for the speed upgrade of the Ultra vs the Non Ultra due to its Tilting Bed the WiFi is just a Plus at that point. its Only $419 total from elegoo that crazy I paid that for my Mars 3 !
100% agree
Love the Placebo line at the end. Ultra for me, when I can justify the upgrade properly. Tbh I'll probably be getting the next iteration but that print speed is enticing
Glad you liked it. Someone else had a go at me for being pro weed.
Just a line in a song mate… chill
@@FauxHammer I was going to respond with a Placebo quote to put said person down, but then I realised I'd already given them too much effort even considering it.
You provide an awesome service, as well as being entertaining, and if someone has a problem with you quoting song lyrics, they might need to chill out. I have a friend who might be holding something that could help...
@@robking6975haha, I nearly suggested that to them too!. To be fair they apologised after I explained the source.
But I’m also not here to justify what I choose to do in Amsterdam, Vegas or Chicago.
I’m here to talk about printers and splint song lyrics.
ive had my S4U for a few days and getting nothing but failed print after failed print and there's a shit tonne of people on reddit and discord reporting the same thing. My issues have persisted after multiple test increasing exposure times and attempted calibrations.... 😭
It's probably an uneven bed and Elegoo have been shit at explaining this to anyone. Check out Greedy 3d's video on the Mrs 5 Ultra for an idea of how to level it
Got the Ultra, luv it, also trust your videos, a lot
Great to hear! Thanks
I’d like to see how much smaller supports can be made using the tilt vat in the Ultra vs. the standard Saturn 4
It’ll be a minimal difference and it really is gonna be down to personal choices if things like resin and type of model.
Most people print presupported stuff anyway. So the point it niche
How is the build plate handling for a small work area? My saturn 2 has the perfect size to manipulate in a confined area with minimal drips, the saturn 4 build plate looks quite a bit bulkier.
It’s the same size plate In terms of area just the extra height adds to it and the drips can be annoying
I have several original mars1, a mars 1 pro and a mars2. I am thinking of upgrading to a larger printer. The Saturn 4 ultra is very tempting, but I think I will wait for the Saturn 5 ultra.....I am guessing they will of added a heater by then, meaning I will be able to print in the cold months. The only pain is I will have to upgrade my wash stations (I use two, one with dirty ipa, the other with clean ipa.....I find this reduces the amount of ipa I use significantly)
Most admit, I’m excited to see what the Saturn 4 does
Got my 4 ultra off the back of the 1st video, solid peace of kit!
Just out of interest Ross, I also got the GK3 during your promo, how well did that promo go from your point of view?
Cheers my man
Oh wow, thanks mate.
I honestly have no idea how it went. I love it. It was so cool to be asked to do someone’s initial video
Hey, Thanks for video!
I am really curios about another comparison though,
S3U vs S4
I do understand all the benefits of S4U it's a great machine,
but I don't really prioritize the speed, less settings and other minor benefits is good too but still i am ok with not having these.
And theoretically, if price of S3U and S4 was the same, what would be better bang for buck?
(I really love wifi feature and it's huge QoL improvement for me)
Once again thank you for your work, watched most of your vids!
Thanks. Well the Saturn 4 also reduces quality as it uses ACF too. But beyond that….
Do you want WiFi (S3U) or autoleveleing that isn’t autoleveling (S4).
@@FauxHammer I guess for me that "autoleveling" is a gimmick,
It's not a problem to calibrate bed once in a while (it's not rocket science), but that additional bulkyness with that fat "auto-leveled" bed and complication of cleaning...
I am not sure that i see enough merits in this.
G'day m8...i would like to see the differance between an older 4k over the newer 8K+ advertised resolutions.....i ask as i bought a new Nova3d Whale 2, 4K 8.9in screen in january of 2023 and im still very much a noob. Any vids on this i would be very interested in. I'm Partially disabled and 3d printing has helped save me, but i could only afford my resin printer as it was very cheap and the last one in Australia. Big Cheers From A M8 Downunder🙃
Honestly. Quality difference between them is likely to be of small significance. But printers with a few usability enhancements are coming now
Youd be best off watching videos for a few modern machines
Wait wait. So even in my hot climate, it cools at night time? Does that difference from 92 degrees (F) in the day to 86 degrees (F) at night matter?
Unless ifs exactly that difference every day all year. Then yes. Don’t be facetious.
Anyone noticing extra bubbles on the build plate and vat. Some are quite big.
Watching just to get some confirmation bias.
I just wish I could get the green cover for the ultra, it looks so much cooler in my opinion
Yeah I agree
Not mentioning the cost of the printers was not a bug….its a new feature !
To be honest, an at the “time of filming” disclaimer would be very helpful.
Great video tho !
Well. I did show the current prices. But here’s the issue. I’ve done that before. And as soon as people see it. It draws their eye to the release date of the video and even a month after the release treat it as outdated and click away
@@FauxHammer is that really why they’re “clicking away” tho…
As the owner of a lowly sub 300 subscriber channel, if I used that excuse everyone on the internet would say in unison, “MAKE BETTER CONTENT” 🤷🏻♂️
@@stevekay6895yeah I believe so. I saw the video grow then suddenly drop. As I looked at the anyalytkcs it started growing from the point I mentioned the prices and got loads of comments ta telling me my prices are wrong and I should make a new video that’s up to date..
A month later. The price went back up and has changed several times since
@@stevekay6895nah they wouldn’t. You do you. And it either works or doesn’t. It’s a lot of numbers and luck to grow a channel.
I don’t make excuses. I just say it how it is.
Still torn between S3U and the S4U. The build plate design of the S4U seems awful and don't see a reason to move away from the 4 screw design considering all the pain it introduces but damn that tilting vat is slick.
So yeah either go with a proven S3U or go for the new shiny
I prefer new shiny. That speed is great for me.
its interesting im still happy with my 3 ultra though
Totally fair
Nice "Pure Morning" by Placebo reference at the end there.
Glad you got it… someone else had a go at me for being pro weed!
I was just saying an amusing and memorable line from a song.
They’re gonna shit next week when I quote down with the Sickness - maybe I’m then pro Covid!
does a "comparison" video and one of the only important differences is speed and he does not show print time comparisons. come on! difference in each layer is interesting but I want to know how that actually translates to full models
How would you have me do a speed comparison difference? Let me know and I’ll list all the ways that test isn’t fair or useful. Just like everyone did to me last time I tried this.
The amount of work that goes into to doing this properly is beyond my ability.
So, as I said. The Ultra is about 3x faster than the normal
@FauxHammer i would print your regular test wolveriene bust and print on both printers at the same resolution with the same resin. and then compare the print time to the height of the print. ie saturn 4 printed 120mm in and x time at y resolution while the ultra printed 120mm in x time at the same resolution, then compare each printer, prints x mm/hr at high resolutoion.or even just regularly comparing how fast each print takes is helpful to see which if faster. it only matters the time it takes to get the result you want. if the printers produce the same item.
I just received Saturn 4 ultra 2 days ago. Amazing printer but the build plate design waste about 50% of the resin 😢
Yeah that design is bad in a few ways
Am I correct thinking the only difference is the tilting tank & camera.?
Kind of, but no. the Operating system is different too which adds a couple extra features, also wifi.
@@FauxHammer As you've tested both which would you recommend...?
@@timstoth4271 forgive me, but have you even watched the video?
I’m happy to support people. But you watching the video is kind of the least effort I would kindly request from your side before providing specific advice. Otherwise I’m kinda just repeating myself.
Was there a part that was unclear? I’ll be happy to clarify.
@@FauxHammer I've watched both videos plus the latest comparing the two printers quite a few times BUT I wasn't writing every comment down on an A4 pad hence the question
@@timstoth4271 again. Please Forgive me. I did not want to assume but needed to ask. Because I am wondering why you are asking which I would recommend.
Because I really depends on you.. if you want a cheap high quality printer. I’d recommend the 4, unless you can find a Staden 3 cheaper. In which case get one of those
If you want all the extra features and are willing to pay for them. Get the Ultra.
But then you may be after specifics. Which one can do antialiasing better. Which one is faster, which one has WiFi. Perhaps the gap in the side of the ultra will not work for you and is too much risk.
So I’d need to know more about you and what you want in order to make a direct recommendation.
That’s why I’d asked if you’d watched. I recommend both. But without understanding what you want. I could just as easily recommend neither.
if print scale 1/64..is't good to have S4U?
pardon?
@@FauxHammer i want to buy S4U..and print scale 1/64..so it is good or not?
or should buy M5U?
I saw a forum in China saying that the Tilt Release Technology will deteriorate over time.Does anyone have this problem ?
The Joystick?
@@FauxHammer What I mean is "inclined release technology."😂
Some people use it for a few weeks, and the fault begins to appear when printing
I care as much as I have to about settings ……..but I would love a Saturn 4 but my money situation is bad due to medical issues
Plz do a 3 ultra vs 4 ultra, I’m very much stuck between the two
4 ultra, easily mate. The higher quality and speed for the same(ish) price makes it more than worth the difference.
This should be a 5 second video…although, I would still buy a Saturn 3 Ultra before buying a Saturn 4 Ultra…and would buy a Mars 4 Ultra before the Saturn 3 Ultra (and I did).
5s video? Ok mate
@@FauxHammer yes...if it's a choice between the Saturn 4 or Saturn 4 Ultra, clearly the Ultra is the winner...done.
Maybe 10 seconds to answer that question? Shouldn't take 15 minutes to pick a winner between these two, right? Too many features left out on the Saturn 4 to make it a fair fight. If you were comparing either to another brand/model there's more room for discussion; however, between these two there's no question...the Ultra wins.
@@forrestegancool. Thanks for the input. If you don’t mind I’m gonna leave this as it is first the people who do t know as much as you and come the value here.
I've had my saturn 4 ultra for less than a month...last night it's main board died on mecand I have to replace it....honestly wtf elegoo and all they offered me was a single sheet of fep ...
Power switch location sucks, I don't use usb since as you said it's painful to use
Ooof, that sucks mate. Sorry to heard you had this experience 😓
I have the ultra but I havn't started yet, did someone have the exposure settings for Elegoo plant based resin ?
That’s not how exposure settings typically work mate. You need to learn to dial it in. Check my how to print miniatures video for a guide
Waiting eagerly for my 4 ultra to get here tomorrow according to UPS
Oooh I guess you have it by ow then. Hope you love it
@FauxHammer it came yesterday just did it's test file print and a print of an item I'm short on...holy crap I think I spent more time post print processing them
Thanks Ross, I have been watching these videos and this one has affirmed for me the direction I will going with the Saturn 4 Ultra. Cheers Mark💙
Glad I could help
When is the full GK3 review coming? Also I sent you a dm on discord don't know if you saw it.
Not til I get a retail unit mate. I’m sorry, I did not see that.
I have a Saturn 4 and love it. Does great prints. The one big let down is the build plate. Whoever designed this thing deserves a kick square in the nuts. It is so hard to clean properly and the handle is not great to hole. Can be very easy to drop. But having said that, I would buy it again,
Yeah I cannot disagree with you. It’s one if the best printers ever. But this is pretty dumb shit.
please do a Saturn 3 vs 4 ultra
I’ll add it to my list, thanks for the input.
My drip tray has developed a hole in one corner. Im guessing alcohol pooled there and ate thru the plastic. Im very disappointed in the whole thing as its extremely difficult to clean because of the raised letters. Now alcohol is eating thru it? Wow elegoo....
Really! Are through it! That’s mad!
Really! Ate through it! That’s mad!