Manna De. An underrated singer. Didn’t get the recognition he deserved. Peeyush Ji/ Thanks a ton for sharing many unknown facts about Manna De’s singing.
Mannadey and SD are an excellent combination as seen from this chat and many aspects were brought forth as regarding their relationship. I wish to add one point here . Manzil (1960) was a movie which as per the available information had 4 songs from Mannadey (one song on Mehmood was discussed here) and one duet with Asha Bhosle (Aa kash chalte milke ) and one solo (Humdam se gaye ) both on the hero making him the main singer but Rafi and Hemant Kumar also sang for the hero in this film ! There was one more song by him (Ab kise pata kai ho kya ) which is supposed to be removed from the movie ! Only I wished that there was some discussion on these three songs also as they were also equally good , if not better.
What a nice program Peeyush ji. I am really so so glad to come across your channel. I feel you are a true music lover because unlike many other presenters , you bring all types of songs to us some of which are very rare and lesser heard. And the beautiful stories are like icing on the cake. The way you present is the way I feel old melodies should be discussed and celebrated. I am much younger than you Sir. But I feel we have a very similar taste in music. I have two requests to you Sir. One if you can increase the frequency of your program. Or if you can increase the duration. I feel it should never end. Second request is that since you are one of the very rare persons who has a very deep knowledge of Bengali movie songs or Bengali music in general , it would be really nice if you can do some programs on the singers and musicians from Bengal too like Sandhya Mukherjee, Nachiketa Ghosh, Manabendra Mukherjee etc. I feel outside Bengal even genuine music lovers don't know much about them while they have so many good songs to offer. I feel you are the best person who can bring out the beauty of Bengal music to the Indian public. I would like to connect to you via whatsapp or gmail because there is so much to learn from you. Kindly let me know how to reach out to you. And thank you so much for so much effort that you put for all of us. Since Hemant Kumar's birthday is celebrated in June only, if you can bring a program on the duets of Hemant Kumar, it would be very nice. Namaskar.
Namaskar and thank you for your heart warming comments. You may reach out to me at 1-416 577 8178 . connect on whatsapp and i would to talk to you and share stories. I can tell you about my majboori also. I will keep doing my job and hope i will leave behind facts that next gen can rely upon instead of gossips that are pushed around. Yes, i love Bangla music and all the artists and can share info also. Lets see. Do connect and we can talk. It was a true please reading your mail, thanks again
OP Nayyar made the career of Shakti Samant by giving hit music for his Howrah Bridge, Jalinote, Kashmiri ki Kali and Sawan ki Ghata.What were the reasons of his switching to OP and never gave any chance to OP.
He acknowledged it and said Kashmir KI Kali was his most favorite ever. For Evening in Paris, it was believed such movies with foreign locales was best dealt with by SJ, and Shammi insisted too. And after Sawan Ki Ghata, OP started to lose his market standing very fast. He became a MD of Dara Singh type films and as such Shakti did not take a chance. Then, Aradhana was a Bengal subject and story, SDB was ideally suited. Rest is history. OP was lost by now
Sir, sorry की कोई बात नहीं है।मैंने तो सिर्फ आपका ध्यान इस ओर आकर्षित करने के लिए लिखा।S.D.Burman और मन्ना डे का बंदिनी फिल्म का एक देशभक्ति का गीत है मत रो माता लाल तेरे बहुतेरे बहुत ही सुंदर गाया है मन्ना दा ने
Manna Dey’s voice quality declined quite fast. It was a ghisi hui voice by early 1960s. His voice in songs such as chale jaa rahe hain, tu pyar ka sagar hai, aaja sanam, sur na saje etc. in the early and mid 50s was excellent - full and sharp edged…. as impactful as Rafi’s, Kishore”s.
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1. Unfortunately Puchcho na kaise was not nominated. That year Mahendra Kapoor won for Chalo Ekbar Fir Se. (I am sure B R Chopra had a 'dirty' role in Mahendra winning the award ahead of Rafi. Though the composition and the lyric is terrific, Mahendra's uncomfortability is evident in the song's antara). Anyway, Puccho na kaise is copied from the Nazrul Geeti. This is not about similarity....this is not about Ahir Bhairav ..... Puchho na Kaise was a direct lift from the Nazrul Geeti Arun Kanti Ke Go Jogi Bhikhari. Nazrul was SDB's guru for quite some time. Everybody copied, SDB was no exception. His two filmfare awards - the first one was for a copied song (Jaye to jaye kahan), whereas the second album (Abhiman) had a copied song. Both copied from Rabindra Sangeet without mentioning/acknowledging Tagore. 2. As regards Aradhana, surprisingly SDB switched from Rafi after Guide making Kishore his first male singer. This was happening as RD Burman's influence grew in SDB's recording room. In an interview Shakti Samant said that the songs of Aradhana were recorded in Kishore's voice because Rafi was not around (out of town/country). He wouldn't have said that if Kishore was the first choice from the very beginning. Kishore even snatched songs that SDB composed keeping especially Rafi in mind (Dil aaj shayer). Kishore was kind of a family to SDB. 3. In the Manna-Asha duet SDB used the wrong shade of Manna's voice....that's why we see Asha dominating here. That's why it has become a bad duet. 4. Manna might have some grudge against SDB for not using him enough. However, very rarely he spoke ill of SDB. Surprisingly, in his TV interviews in the 1980s, he praised Naushad a lot among the composers ... often mentioning his name at first while talking about composers. This is surprising because he did not sang much for him. And he talked about Shankar when it comes to composers who used him the most. Manna dey wrote a glowing tribute to Naushad in Bengali Magazine Anandalok when Naushad died. 5. HQ Chowdhury sometimes gets carried away, and sounds like Raju Bharatan. 6. Sorry for the long comment. I understand that we have different opinion, but my respect for you is immense. Take good care of you.
i disagree on many points. SDB accepted no interference from anyone, including his son. Where was the RD influence when SD was composing Paying Guest and Nau Do Gyarah and choosing his singers Your comparison of HQ da with Raju B shows your lack of understanding and appreciation for facts Manna, till mid 70s, when I had met him most of the time, praised SD to the sky. Then he shifted to Shankar and by new millennium he said Lakshmikat was the best.. Last I met him was in Toronto Canada in 2005 or so, when I asked him he rudely retorted; Kaino tumi jaano na that they (LP) are the best. SD groomed Kishore from late 40s, and really loved him. But, he would not compromise on his choice of a singer. Neeraj is on record that Dil aaj shayar hai, was composed as it is and Kishore was the first choice. In Aradhana, yes Kishore songs were recorded first in 1968 and Rafi was on a world tour, but it was the demand of the composition that SD pulled in Kishore to sing them Thanks, your comments make me think and are always welcome
Manna Dey was a complete singer. No male playback singer could match his versatility.
good thoughts, thanks
Manna De. An underrated singer. Didn’t get the recognition he deserved. Peeyush Ji/ Thanks a ton for sharing many unknown facts about Manna De’s singing.
thank you Manoj ji
Mannadey and SD are an excellent combination as seen from this chat and many aspects were brought forth as regarding their relationship. I wish to add one point here . Manzil (1960) was a movie which as per the available information had 4 songs from Mannadey (one song on Mehmood was discussed here) and one duet with Asha Bhosle (Aa kash chalte milke ) and one solo (Humdam se gaye ) both on the hero making him the main singer but Rafi and Hemant Kumar also sang for the hero in this film ! There was one more song by him (Ab kise pata kai ho kya ) which is supposed to be removed from the movie ! Only I wished that there was some discussion on these three songs also as they were also equally good , if not better.
thank you, very nice information. I have that song, Ab kise pata
i love this song of Mannada "Ab kahan Jayen Hum'
yes, lovely song
One of the best programs on Manna Dey, especially his work in relation to Sachin Dev Burman. Must see.
thank you so much
Aaderniya.piyush.sharma.ji..namastey..
Dil.ki.awaaz.is..like..time.travel..into..golden.era..!!!
thank you Khemchand ji , yahi to purpose hai ke hum time travel kar saken
Awesome program. A personal favourite has been "mat ro maata" from Bandini
yes, super favorite always Thanks for appreciating
What a nice program Peeyush ji. I am really so so glad to come across your channel. I feel you are a true music lover because unlike many other presenters , you bring all types of songs to us some of which are very rare and lesser heard. And the beautiful stories are like icing on the cake. The way you present is the way I feel old melodies should be discussed and celebrated. I am much younger than you Sir. But I feel we have a very similar taste in music. I have two requests to you Sir. One if you can increase the frequency of your program. Or if you can increase the duration. I feel it should never end. Second request is that since you are one of the very rare persons who has a very deep knowledge of Bengali movie songs or Bengali music in general , it would be really nice if you can do some programs on the singers and musicians from Bengal too like Sandhya Mukherjee, Nachiketa Ghosh, Manabendra Mukherjee etc. I feel outside Bengal even genuine music lovers don't know much about them while they have so many good songs to offer. I feel you are the best person who can bring out the beauty of Bengal music to the Indian public. I would like to connect to you via whatsapp or gmail because there is so much to learn from you. Kindly let me know how to reach out to you. And thank you so much for so much effort that you put for all of us. Since Hemant Kumar's birthday is celebrated in June only, if you can bring a program on the duets of Hemant Kumar, it would be very nice. Namaskar.
Namaskar and thank you for your heart warming comments. You may reach out to me at 1-416 577 8178 . connect on whatsapp and i would to talk to you and share stories. I can tell you about my majboori also. I will keep doing my job and hope i will leave behind facts that next gen can rely upon instead of gossips that are pushed around. Yes, i love Bangla music and all the artists and can share info also. Lets see. Do connect and we can talk. It was a true please reading your mail, thanks again
Thank you so much for this video ❤🫶
thanks for viewing and liking it
OP Nayyar made the career of Shakti Samant by giving hit music for his Howrah Bridge, Jalinote, Kashmiri ki Kali and Sawan ki Ghata.What were the reasons of his switching to OP and never gave any chance to OP.
He acknowledged it and said Kashmir KI Kali was his most favorite ever. For Evening in Paris, it was believed such movies with foreign locales was best dealt with by SJ, and Shammi insisted too. And after Sawan Ki Ghata, OP started to lose his market standing very fast. He became a MD of Dara Singh type films and as such Shakti did not take a chance. Then, Aradhana was a Bengal subject and story, SDB was ideally suited. Rest is history. OP was lost by now
Thank You.
I agree with you because Love in Tokyo was a big musical hit.
ज्योति का गाना आपने female आवाज में सुनाया मन्ना डे की आवाज में नहीं
sorry about that, yes copyright ke karan sirf wo part hi baja hai. Live program mein poora baja thha
Sir, sorry की कोई बात नहीं है।मैंने तो सिर्फ आपका ध्यान इस ओर आकर्षित करने के लिए लिखा।S.D.Burman और मन्ना डे का बंदिनी फिल्म का एक देशभक्ति का गीत है मत रो माता लाल तेरे बहुतेरे बहुत ही सुंदर गाया है मन्ना दा ने
@@sushilkumarprabhakar6289 ji, very correct. I missed that beautiful song from Bandini
Manna Dey’s voice quality declined quite fast. It was a ghisi hui voice by early 1960s. His voice in songs such as chale jaa rahe hain, tu pyar ka sagar hai, aaja sanam, sur na saje etc. in the early and mid 50s was excellent - full and sharp edged…. as impactful as Rafi’s, Kishore”s.
very true. the voice quality decined
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1. Unfortunately Puchcho na kaise was not nominated. That year Mahendra Kapoor won for Chalo Ekbar Fir Se. (I am sure B R Chopra had a 'dirty' role in Mahendra winning the award ahead of Rafi. Though the composition and the lyric is terrific, Mahendra's uncomfortability is evident in the song's antara). Anyway, Puccho na kaise is copied from the Nazrul Geeti. This is not about similarity....this is not about Ahir Bhairav ..... Puchho na Kaise was a direct lift from the Nazrul Geeti Arun Kanti Ke Go Jogi Bhikhari. Nazrul was SDB's guru for quite some time. Everybody copied, SDB was no exception. His two filmfare awards - the first one was for a copied song (Jaye to jaye kahan), whereas the second album (Abhiman) had a copied song. Both copied from Rabindra Sangeet without mentioning/acknowledging Tagore.
2. As regards Aradhana, surprisingly SDB switched from Rafi after Guide making Kishore his first male singer. This was happening as RD Burman's influence grew in SDB's recording room. In an interview Shakti Samant said that the songs of Aradhana were recorded in Kishore's voice because Rafi was not around (out of town/country). He wouldn't have said that if Kishore was the first choice from the very beginning. Kishore even snatched songs that SDB composed keeping especially Rafi in mind (Dil aaj shayer). Kishore was kind of a family to SDB.
3. In the Manna-Asha duet SDB used the wrong shade of Manna's voice....that's why we see Asha dominating here. That's why it has become a bad duet.
4. Manna might have some grudge against SDB for not using him enough. However, very rarely he spoke ill of SDB. Surprisingly, in his TV interviews in the 1980s, he praised Naushad a lot among the composers ... often mentioning his name at first while talking about composers. This is surprising because he did not sang much for him. And he talked about Shankar when it comes to composers who used him the most. Manna dey wrote a glowing tribute to Naushad in Bengali Magazine Anandalok when Naushad died.
5. HQ Chowdhury sometimes gets carried away, and sounds like Raju Bharatan.
6. Sorry for the long comment. I understand that we have different opinion, but my respect for you is immense. Take good care of you.
i disagree on many points.
SDB accepted no interference from anyone, including his son. Where was the RD influence when SD was composing Paying Guest and Nau Do Gyarah and choosing his singers
Your comparison of HQ da with Raju B shows your lack of understanding and appreciation for facts
Manna, till mid 70s, when I had met him most of the time, praised SD to the sky. Then he shifted to Shankar and by new millennium he said Lakshmikat was the best.. Last I met him was in Toronto Canada in 2005 or so, when I asked him he rudely retorted; Kaino tumi jaano na that they (LP) are the best.
SD groomed Kishore from late 40s, and really loved him. But, he would not compromise on his choice of a singer. Neeraj is on record that Dil aaj shayar hai, was composed as it is and Kishore was the first choice.
In Aradhana, yes Kishore songs were recorded first in 1968 and Rafi was on a world tour, but it was the demand of the composition that SD pulled in Kishore to sing them
Thanks, your comments make me think and are always welcome