Mike Mentzer allowed me to stop worrying about my genetics to find out and now six years later I get a feeling that I had always known that I was gonna get good naturally
What 99.9% fail to grasp was MM encouraged others to take the concept of HIT and make it work for them. Dorian Yates is on literally record saying he really gravitated to MM ideas and made it his own...LOTS of videos of Yates saying this. Also MM also advocated for SLOW eccentric movements (4s-5s) with 1s pause at top/bottom. So close to 10s per rep and at 10 reps thats ~100s of work per set!
Exactly, people are dismissive because they get wrapped up in this idea of it being a crazy gimmick where you do “only 1 set” but they don’t understand the sets are meant to be performed very slow, controlled & heavy compared to how most people work out. I think a lot of people believe intensity = speed, & They would be shocked at how physically taxing & mentally intense doing sets to failure HIT style can be Mike mainly just emphasized the importance of recovery, the eccentric portion of the exercise, & making your time in the gym as efficient as possible, it’s really not that weird or hard to understand
@@TehMadCowI think the problem with Mike is he's not really good at getting his point across accurately so there's a lot of wiggle room for independent ideas like he gives you the idea and he drops you in the middle of the desert to fend for yourself alone and think for yourself. Given that it's been eons ago so the information he gave is really dated BUT his ideas are in the right direction so his contribution is still BIG heck HUGE even.
Nah. You’re giving him too much credit. He specifically marketed the extremity of 20 min workouts 4 times per week. That’s insane and just not ideal whatsoever.
Mike Mentzer did the opposite of what you said. He specifically said that you shouldn't change ANYTHING about the program. You aren't allowed to change the volume, rep range, lifts, or even the order of lifts in a session. He acted as if he had found a perfect solution, and didn't let anyone modify it. He even said something along the line of: "If you could ask a god for a training program he would say : "Thou shalt train every 96 hours, doing one set of each exercise with this specific volume." He didn't allow anymore to modify it, and when he was asked about Dorian he said: "Dorian isn't following the Heavy Duty principles. He is using too much weight and adding momentum to exercises". He specifically said that Dorian didn't follow HIT, and that if he did he would get more muscle. You are giving Mike way too much credit. He was extremely dogmatic.
@@weakest_serb no literally the opposite of what you said Honestly I'd say you're about as sharp as a bag of marbles but that's insulting to the sharpness of marbles And the fact that there's conference videos, interviews about him discussing with Dorian and those are verified multiple times by Dorian Oh and there is video/interview evidence of Tom Platz saying he followed Arnold Schwarzenegger workout and diet exactly (trained with him etc) and said "got fat and deconditioned". He spoke with Mike and changed his approach...didn't follow his program to a "T" but took those concepts
Dorian Yates’s version of HIT is true HIT I feel. I got his book he released that details his full training career and programming all the way up until he did Blood and Guts. He mostly trained a bodypart once every 4 days using a torso and limb split, then he moved onto a 3 day split over a 4-5 day period. Then he moved onto Blood and Guts training everything once every 6 days. In the beginning he was doing 6-9 sets per bp per session, then down to 6, then down to 4-6 for Blood and Guts. It all made sense seeing how he got stronger and stronger, so recovery was more and more important.
@@bruceybrew Im able to manage 45-60 min work outs 4 times a week and trust me I work a lot. That’s not that much. If all you can afford is 20 minutes then don’t expect to get far
@@drretardo1942 he was natural until 1985/1986 right before he won night of the champions where he used for that show (you can literally see his lifts skyrocket). As a natural, he was doing a torso limb 3 day per week M/W/F. This is also in the book as I explained above.
At 64 and natty...i believe i get best results with hitting each body part once every 4 to 5 days..push ,pull ,legs lately seems best...train in the 8 to 12 set range mostly doing 2 to different movements...form is mostly very strict.last sets are very intense..finding to perfect amount of time,reps and movements for me on training day is always my goal...every training day reguardless of body part is always different...mind muscle connection for me is 100 %..
At 63 and with arthritis, I am currently trying to find the "minimal effective dose" with my training, doing HIT. I do not say that everyone must train low volume to make gains, some people seem to do well with more but I think my body does better with less volume
I've also found less volume to feel much better on my joints and tendons, especially for my elbow tendons. I had a long history of golfer's elbow when I'd mix both climbing and higher volume pull-up work. Once weekly, heavy HIT style pull up training has been much more effective for me. Better strength and size gains, and zero pain thus far! Good luck in your journey!
OMG! He touched Dr. Mike on the shoulder! Are you surprise the interview was fully recorded and didn't stop within 4 seconds of Mike doing his Tyson? 🥊
Although age 73 & finding the discussion (Here & w/Mikes solo videos.) geared toward folks younger than myself, insightful. Anything based on science (Especially Mikes background.) is worth absorbing!
My father brought me to watch "Harry Potter and the Philosophers Stone" in the cinema when I was ten years old. I was not prepared for that debauchery.
I train full body twice a week with one set to failure-and-beyond per muscle group (ie, legs, chest, back, shoulders). I have had great progress in strength and size. I just had to learn what real failure/intensity is.
Dr. Mike doesn't BS anyone. And his content is so funny! He doesn't over rely on gay jokes. And I learned a lot about recoverable volume and how to program it for my 42 year old self.
I’ve done it all. 3*week, 5*week, 3days rest 3 days (so almost 6 days a week) and now I do 2 times a week(once on Tuesday and once on Sat). One of the differences I found is something Dorian says, because it’s so long in between workouts, that when it’s time, you give it everything cause this is your chance. I’ve also notice to Mikes point, only the legs seem to need that long of break. So Tom Platz said he only did squats twice a month, not sure how that breaks down, but maybe only do legs once every other cycle? But it definitely works, and my muscles are “fuller”. On the more workouts per week, I might have been a little more “shredded”, cause you get the resting muscle tone(not sure about that just a theory)
As a slim figure'd dude, it has helped me greater in the past 3 months than they 18 months prior to that going every day, im fuller wider and heavier now, cant say HIT did it but it feels like it did so im gonna stick to it
Very good video. I'm about at the point where Dr. Mike describes at the 9:00 mark. For me, I find that the volume that I do in the gym, which has typically been of the high variety. I have changed over the last 18 months to a strategy that emphasizes strength development over muscular development. I do less sets and everything is more specialized. The biggest benefit I have felt from the volume and time I take in the gym has been the increase in work capacity. I can just go, now, for a long time now. It's something I have found fascinating in people I work with whose work capacity is lesser.
Mentzer described his most productive routine. Reading it to the letter, he did 63-84 sets to strict form failure per week and didn't do "intensification" techniques except pre exhaust.
@@DarkoFitCoach Mentzer's "most productive routine" was an average of about 18 sets to failure per workout on a 2 way split. He said he originally did it 2 on one off, but did better with one on one off. 2 on one off comes out to 4.67 training days a week x 18=84 sets. One on one off is 3.5 days a week x 18=63 sets. You can search for "Mike Mentzer's Most Productive Routine" From IronMan 2003 Heavy Duty: Mike Mentzer’s Most Productive Routine Workout 1 (Monday) Legs Superset Leg extensions 1 x 6-8 Leg presses 1 x 6-8 Squats 1 x 6-8 Leg curls 2 x 6-8 Calf raises 2 x 6-8 Toe presses 1 x 6-8 Chest Superset Dumbbell flyes or pec deck 1-2 x 6-8 Incline presses 1-2 x 6-8 Dips 2 x 6-8 Triceps Superset Pushdowns 1 x 6-8 Dips 1 x 6-8 Lying triceps extensions 2 x 6-8 Workout 2 (Wednesday) Back Superset Nautilus pullovers 2 x 6-8 Close-grip pulldowns 2 x 6-8 Bent-over barbell rows 2 x 6-8 Traps Superset Universal machine shrugs 2 x 6-8 Upright rows 2 x 6-8 Shoulders Superset Nautilus laterals 2 x 6-8 Nautilus presses 2 x 6-8 Rear-delt rows 2 x 6-8 Biceps Standing barbell curls 1 x 6-8 Concentration curls 2 x 6-8 ‘Was there anything else you did differently with this routine?’ I asked eagerly. ‘Yes, I used this type of routine throughout my professional bodybuilding career, but the greatest gains I got from it was when, rather than following it on the usual four-out-of-seven-day schedule, I began spacing it so I trained every other day on a split routine.
Excellent explanation of the continuum between minimum effective dosage / volume and maximum recoverable volume. Realizing that when you manipulate intensity and volume, your recovery times can be affected then explains why so many different training frequencies can work well for people. Low frequency like Mike Mentzer and high frequency can both work very well! 1. For a given individual: infrequent, high fatigue sessions at one end and frequent, lower fatigue sessions at the other end, can all meet the criteria of just being barely recoverable in time for the next workout. 2. Different individuals will have different rates of recovery, due to both genetics and their training history and age. So my 'high frequency' end of the spectrum could look very similar to your 'low frequency' end.
I get what Mike (Mentzer) was going for with HIT, but I've always been skeptical that he used it himself. The lack of training footage available of Mike training himself and not others was always really suspicious to me.
Dude not everyone is going to record every workout they do..remember he was from an era when there was less narcassism,plus His clients results says it all
Mentzer may not have used his own methods, but we are pretty sure Yates did. Granted, Yates did do a variety of exercises for only one set, but 3-4 sets total per muscle group on different movements is by far less than what most people do. I was once coached by someone who was heavily influenced by Yates and mentzer. It did work pretty well. Maybe because I was approaching 40 and already achieved most of my muscle mass for being natural. Idk. All I know is that I was able to lift heavy, go all out, had no injuries, and made some muscle gains. Before, I was doing higher volume, slightly less intensity, was always getting injured, and wasn't seeing much progress anymore
In his books he has admitted it himself. He built most of his mass with very high volume (sometimes more than 2 hours a day) And reached an upper limit which could not be surpassed with more volume. He only surpassed it and reached his peak when he switched to maximum intensity, brief and infrequent sessions. The same applies to all advanced people
@martinw245 "in the hypertrophic range"...doing 5-30 reps may be the "hypertrophic range", but if it's not done close to failure, it doesn't matter. Submaximal efforts is a warmup. If you do a set of 6 reps with something you can lift for 12 reps, it's a warmup and the hypertrophic range doesn't apply to that submaximal effort.
the main idea of Mtz granted any work done is Heavy and to failure: ‘’1-any work done after the trigger for growth has been attained is unwanted damage. 2-The only logical way to find out what is the trigger point for each person is to start with the least amount of volume (one set to failure) then you adjust upwards as needed. To each his own trigger point’’
TBH I do follow Mike Mentzer - HIT - Heavy Duty style... and I do make twist on the set volume like a month with 3/4 sets then I jump to (after 1 quarter) 1 set. my goal -> keep mind to muscle connection excelent
In my 20s, I would do a typical PPL workout 3x per week, long run and sprints on the off days. It was great for me. I didn't exactly like the intense soreness during recovery, but I could deal with it especially since I was in the military and it a big part of the job. Now in my 30s, and with various injuries (not from lifting though), my recovery ability is somewhat less, and I do not really want to feel super sore after a workout for days. I have been experimenting with different schemes over time because mainly I do not like or want, nor can I afford to have an entire muscle group absolutely blasted for a few days at a time. I have started spreading out the volume in a total body format, and so far it has been enough stimulus without making me feel wiped out for days at a time. I'm not a pro bodybuilder, so I don't care to do everything optimally and I gotta say I like this method more.
I paid Mentzer for lessons for a few months in the early 90's. I literally trained about 6 times a month. I gained, gained a nice layer of blubber on my stomach. I loved the intensity of the workout, but the sitting around for days got me bored, and felt lazy. I kind of liken it to getting tan. You could go to the equator, and lay out for hours. Super intense stimulus, and you have to wait while the burnt skin recovers before you try it again. Now compare that to laying out for shorter periods in say, Nevada, but doing it a few times a week, getting tan little by little. Studies have shown that, if you're not on steroids, it's better to train a muscle more frequently with a little less intensity. I do upper/lower body splits now, 4 days a week, and still have a good amount of muscle at 58 years old.
@@dendanskehelt4296 lol, pretty sure training with the guy who invented it means I was doing it correctly. The best part of training with him were discussions we would have after training. He even admitted that training without steroids might mean a whole different protocol.
@@DarkoFitCoach I currently train a young man and he also has issues overeating and doesn't want to rest enough. Gym is his life as he put it. Why donøt young people have hobbies no more?
I've been training like this for years mainly because I'm lazy it allowed me to hit a 405 bench 615 deadlift natty while having a fucked back and legs due to getting hit by a truck on my moped
@Omarlsuf-hope you get this: I studied Dorian's training of 1 set to or beyond failure and it works because here is why: Dorian selected exercises within his program that had a function example upper chest=1 set incline press, that will most likely cover inclined flies as well as they are both the same function of adduction, then move over to flat dumbell press for the lower part of the chest. Back training will be 1 row for upper back, dumbell row to the waist and close to the waist line for mid back and lower lats, them lat pull down wide grip for front lat width, Every exercise Dorian put had a purpose. I started selecting exercises for purpose. He even said for tricep, 2 is enough, arms by the side to hit short head and arms away and stretched to hit long head. I started training like this as it was so reasonable and after a month lay off of being on the couch, I am 5 weeks into my training and I have grown every session, the results are unreal. The next tip is when taking sets to failure (proper failure), your form, mind muscle connnection, using negatives to perfection, your technique all has to be on POINT and I promise you, you will never look back. I have trained like this for a year and my programs will most likely blow Mike's programs away and this is no lie. This reasonable form of training takes all the guess work away. Send thsi message to him and of he tries it, give Joey from Lebanon a shout out because it will open his eyes
@Mantastic-ho3vm He was very disciplined and restrained, today's bodybuilders go above and beyond what they need, which sounds great on paper but in reality, it is not. I think so many bodybuilders dropping dead can also be attributed to over training where it concerns hear failure. Dorian was very methodical and his method 100% works, especially for natural bodybuilders that cannot train a bro split.
@Mantastic-ho3vm Well, I can vouch for it, at least it is methodical rather than running around the gym and second guessing what to do. Technique is also really, really important when it comes to utilizing 1 set.
@Mantastic-ho3vm If you are a real bodybuilder, you will know we are creatures of perfection. Even Chris Bumstead still hides his arms today despite the fact he his the definition of perfection.
An important point of note is, that hypertrophy is not everything. And high volume training tends to put on more slow-twitch (endurance) muscles, compared to high intensity training, which makes sense, since for example marathon runners need endurance rather than strength, while powerlifters only need strength. The volume debate is really just a debate about your goals. Do you want to become a marathon runner/lumberjack or a powerlifter? Or a bodybuilder? Or something in between? But hypertrophy is not everything, the brain matters too. Training also helps activate a larger % of total muscle fibers, making you more efficient and adapt at using your existing strength. Normal people can only use 30% of their muscular strength at best. Until a certain point, you do not need hypertrophy to gain strength. You can double or triple your strength if you learn to access 60% or 90% of your already existing muscles.
I have done high intensity training for three years and I have built more muscle mass than doing volume training for years. My health has improved and I spend less time in the gym. I cannot speak for anyone else, but HIT has worked for me. The only supplement I take is creatine monohydrate.
Dorian is the real deal. I would just take his advice over any other "training expert" on these days. Been working for me, gained over 30kg (66lbs) in 3 years just following his method. I would recommend anyone to try.
Yeah, the HGH definitely works, because no way in hell are you gaining 66lbs in 3 years natty. How can people lie so comfortably? Do you think everyone's a fool?
Is it possible to trade off adding more sets with just increasing the weight? Like……if four sets used to get it done no problem, now it doesn’t, can’t I just increase the weight to make the same four sets more valuable?
Adding weight is the best way to progressively overload, then reps, and if you absolutely can’t progress from there or max out the machine for the rep ranges you like then add sets.
Of course. Volume training doesn't mean you don't bother to increase the weight as you adapt. Processive resistance or progressive reps up to around 25 or so is how its done.
The elephant in the room regarding volume / recovery is whether or not you are using PED's. Sure if you are running gear you can make gains with higher volume training. However if. You are natural you will in my experience (over 40 years training and yes I competed as a natural and won against gear users ) get better results from low volume high intensity workouts. I have never seen a natural make good gains from 15-20 sets a bodypart. You just cannot recover from that naturally. No recovery = No growth.
dr mike said what i was thinking- mentzer and yates were most likely outliers with high amounts of fast twitch muscle. they were able to put so much of their potential into the first set that follow up sets were less valuable. we all know those fast twitch dudes that can outlift everyone on the first set but their strength drops off steeply on the second. those are the guys that HIT works best for imo
Extra good video. Mentzers best info is still 50 years old so maybe two sets of biceps a week and forearms 3x a week is fine even though one balls to the walls squat set is fine
Skeletal cells do not divide. Some weirdness happens with satellite cells, etc. It would be nice to have someone explain it, like you're explaining it to a fifth grader.
Yeah MikeM didn't want to inform the public that he had spent years upon years upon years building volume and building a base, reaching a point that his body has to adapt to a different kind of intensity, which is why a bunch of newbies think what MikeM does will work. I'm sure when you get so advanced, training once every 10 days or 14 days is enough but for someone who is new, intermediate, or even averagely advanced, it's not going to work. Dr Mike will clear things up
I have responded pretty good to HIIT and I am a beginner. It definitely can work, but like Mike said in the video, its probably due to the fact I have more type 2 muscle fibers. My muscles get sufficiently pumped, I feel a bit of soreness after each workout, I am getting stronger each workout and my body has changed quite a lot over the last year. Ultimately people have to just self experiment and find what works best for them.
I'd suggest doing a few months of high-intensity, low volume work with ample recovery to anyone who has plateaued with their workouts. I first tried it in 2000, and my strength and muscle increased at a rapid rate. I imagine that is what it's like to be on a generous cycle. In 20 weeks, with one workout a week to 10 days, my big compound lifts went up 40-50%. I put inches on everywhere. I couldn't consume enough food to gain much weight. Put on about 7 lbs, with a significant recomp. I was at my limit at that point, and took time off from the gym, but my job changed at that time, and all those gains translated to being able to do physical work I never thought possible. The next time I got back into a gym, I pulled my heaviest deadlift ever, 550. Never be afraid to try something new. You may be surprised at how your body responds.
@@SuperLari1234 I have been making linear progressions in weight and reps for over a year straight with very few plateaus on low volume even after training for 4 years with douple/triple the volume before.
The mechanics are maximum fatigue and micro tears without a debilitating injury. Your physical and mental ability will determine how many sets you need.
Micro tears is an old, outdated theory for hypertrophy. Modern thinking is that repeated bouts (sets) of high mechanical tension activate the titin mechanosensors in the muscle which ramps up protein synthesis. Doesn't need to be to total failure.
Same with any other muscle really, train them roughly twice a week, high intensity, somewhere between 8-16ish total working sets per week, explosive contraction, slow and controlled eccentric with full ROM and small pause at the stretch position (watch some of RP's leg training vids to see how). Lying leg curls, seated leg curl, SLDL/Romanian DL are all good exercises, progressive overload and deload when needed. Bear in mind genetics always play a role so you may just have a harder time making the hamstrings huge but the above is the best you can do. Good luck, all the best
@@25johnlowe Seated or lying leg curls (preferably seated if good machine) 2-4 sets per workout twice per week, sounds boring but thats what proper trainig is. Do not do 8-16 sets a week, thats way too much training to failure. Just try it and see.
@@joojotin I do 3 sets of lying leg curls with 1 RIR, and 3 sets dumbell RDLs and do this twice a week equalling 12 total working sets per week. This work well for me and is very much in line with what Mike and RP recommend too. If you manage to grow with much less then that's great. But I've tried long periods of doing less and increasing ghe volume (same intentisty) had worked for me and my training partner too. I also apply the same principle to other muscle groups, 3 sets of 2 different exercises per workout equally 12 total sets. Some can get good gains with less, some need more, worth experimenting with this detail. All the best.
@@25johnlowe Its fine, but I recommend starting way lower if you are able to progress which most people are. I do still think 12 sets is fine but I find it to be about maximum for most people in the long run and recommend way lower volume generally because so many people are doing too much and lacking the results for this very reason. Me and my training partner have gone down to 2 sets of hamstring work in a week and still progressed nicely many many months. This surely isnt optimal but its just to show how little is needed in order to see significant progress. Some muscles like biceps and hamstrings I have found somewhere around 4-6 sets for me is where I see the best progress and going higher than that creates a plateau very quickly. If training hard of course.
Mentzer's methods are probably a bit sub-optimal based on what we now know about hypertrophy, but he was definitely on to something. And here's the thing: MM theory will work for many people (especially newbies) because their current routines are even *more* sub-optimal. MM is an upgrade over the too light, too many reps, too much junk volume training you see.
The other people are atleast perfecting their form through multiple sets and still getting hypertrophy. Mike menzter all intensity 1 or 2 set per week bs neither practices form nor gets the maximal results he claims.
"MM is an upgrade over the too light, too many reps" And yet we know that anywhere from 5 to 30 reps is hypertrophic. So light weight and higher reps can indeed stimulate hypertrophy. Very light weights require training closer to failure though according to the research.
I'll say this: In America, if you don't have enough data for anything, your common sense is not allowed to proceed any further. Our genetics are not that diverse from each other. We are not the case of some of us having a cat like muscle fiber structures and others having a wolf or horse like muscle fiber structures. We all to the one have the same muscle fiber groups that will withstand prolonged stress with quick time recovery time (wolf or horse), and those with short time stress tolerance and long recovery time period (cats). We could call those groups as 1. Support muscles 2. Action muscles The support groups are a) abdominal, lower back and calf group. b) the rest of the body. Once you understand that, you will understand the core idea behind high intensity training and volume training and why each group needs different amount of stress and healing period in order to stimulate growth. In my own decades long experience, working out with quite a few very good bodybuilders over the years and going through different phases, the high intensity with small volume is way superior to higher volume with lower intensity. It works with anyone who ever truly employed that strategy. In essence, you should be in and out of the gym in less than 40 minutes, with 10 minutes stretching included. So 30 minutes of super hard workout with almost no breaks in between the sets. I guarantee you you won't be able to lift a gram more at the end of that 30 minutes.
Dr Mike speaks out of both sides of his 2 faces..... in one video he will say train to failer is king and then in another he will say it's not good depending on who he's with at the time
Ik you prob respond but anyone in the comments could help So I have been working out at home for 6 ish months but recently started at school and I like it cuz I can do certain movement I can’t do at home like squats and chest flies and I would just simply train at school but we have like no rest time it’s like 1 minute between sets should I start training less at home like 3-4 times ( I train to failure at home like two sets with partials and at school on squats and other movements I go to failure but not all movements) any advice Also idgaf about my grammar
Just go to the gym and do the best you can. We're all different. And sometimes parts as well.well. I built good thighs. when I were a young man on 3 to 5 reps which was incidental because I was a weightlifter not a bodybuilder. and my calves got big through bicycling and I don't mean with drugs. And don't forget, myostatin is the big one
MM trained thousands of clients and used a logical average from that for volume and recovery not his own individual personal training of volume /recovery. So when Israetel says train like MM that is not exactly accurate. The whole point of MM heavy duty training was to continue to progress without a need for periodization or cycling, or waiting until the point when you "feel" fatigued . Also, according to MM the muscle fiber theory is bullshit because fibers can change from slow twitch to fast twitch while you workout!
I do one set of one rep max power cleans every year on January 1st and focus on diet and recovery the rest of the year
Underrated comment 😂
That’s the only way to do it
Mentzer would be proud
Wow such a fresh joke this is really the first time hearing this joke
I’ve been following Omar since 2013, and I’m surprised he hasn’t hit 1 million subs yet.
Same here, along with Alan Thrall. They almost have similar 800k subs.
im not
Same here
It’s easy to explain when you realise UA-cam fitness is a small space with only a few viewers worldwide.
He disappeared for one year
I so happy RP, Mike and Jared are getting the attention they deserve.
Mike Mentzer allowed me to stop worrying about my genetics to find out and now six years later I get a feeling that I had always known that I was gonna get good naturally
Such a comprehensive and fantastic video.
Some might even say, sensual.
Thank you gentlemen 🙏
What 99.9% fail to grasp was MM encouraged others to take the concept of HIT and make it work for them. Dorian Yates is on literally record saying he really gravitated to MM ideas and made it his own...LOTS of videos of Yates saying this.
Also MM also advocated for SLOW eccentric movements (4s-5s) with 1s pause at top/bottom. So close to 10s per rep and at 10 reps thats ~100s of work per set!
Exactly, people are dismissive because they get wrapped up in this idea of it being a crazy gimmick where you do “only 1 set” but they don’t understand the sets are meant to be performed very slow, controlled & heavy compared to how most people work out. I think a lot of people believe intensity = speed, & They would be shocked at how physically taxing & mentally intense doing sets to failure HIT style can be
Mike mainly just emphasized the importance of recovery, the eccentric portion of the exercise, & making your time in the gym as efficient as possible, it’s really not that weird or hard to understand
@@TehMadCowI think the problem with Mike is he's not really good at getting his point across accurately so there's a lot of wiggle room for independent ideas like he gives you the idea and he drops you in the middle of the desert to fend for yourself alone and think for yourself. Given that it's been eons ago so the information he gave is really dated BUT his ideas are in the right direction so his contribution is still BIG heck HUGE even.
Nah. You’re giving him too much credit. He specifically marketed the extremity of 20 min workouts 4 times per week. That’s insane and just not ideal whatsoever.
Mike Mentzer did the opposite of what you said. He specifically said that you shouldn't change ANYTHING about the program. You aren't allowed to change the volume, rep range, lifts, or even the order of lifts in a session.
He acted as if he had found a perfect solution, and didn't let anyone modify it.
He even said something along the line of:
"If you could ask a god for a training program he would say :
"Thou shalt train every 96 hours, doing one set of each exercise with this specific volume."
He didn't allow anymore to modify it, and when he was asked about Dorian he said:
"Dorian isn't following the Heavy Duty principles. He is using too much weight and adding momentum to exercises".
He specifically said that Dorian didn't follow HIT, and that if he did he would get more muscle.
You are giving Mike way too much credit. He was extremely dogmatic.
@@weakest_serb no literally the opposite of what you said
Honestly I'd say you're about as sharp as a bag of marbles but that's insulting to the sharpness of marbles
And the fact that there's conference videos, interviews about him discussing with Dorian and those are verified multiple times by Dorian
Oh and there is video/interview evidence of Tom Platz saying he followed Arnold Schwarzenegger workout and diet exactly (trained with him etc) and said "got fat and deconditioned". He spoke with Mike and changed his approach...didn't follow his program to a "T" but took those concepts
Awesome. Omar is a really talented interviewer, and the "graphics," etc. are great. Really great production. And hilarious.
Daaamn! Awesome info and the edition it's on a whole new level 😮
Dorian Yates’s version of HIT is true HIT I feel.
I got his book he released that details his full training career and programming all the way up until he did Blood and Guts.
He mostly trained a bodypart once every 4 days using a torso and limb split, then he moved onto a 3 day split over a 4-5 day period. Then he moved onto Blood and Guts training everything once every 6 days.
In the beginning he was doing 6-9 sets per bp per session, then down to 6, then down to 4-6 for Blood and Guts.
It all made sense seeing how he got stronger and stronger, so recovery was more and more important.
Yeah I agree, to me that’s just smart training. Not this “2 hours total per week in the gym” crap
@@Iheartliftingdepends on life style, if you work long hours doing a physical job you really do need to train a lot less
@@bruceybrew Im able to manage 45-60 min work outs 4 times a week and trust me I work a lot. That’s not that much. If all you can afford is 20 minutes then don’t expect to get far
@@drretardo1942 he was natural until 1985/1986 right before he won night of the champions where he used for that show (you can literally see his lifts skyrocket).
As a natural, he was doing a torso limb 3 day per week M/W/F. This is also in the book as I explained above.
@@drretardo1942 it’s a training log not a regular book. His actual workouts hand written.
I forgot how weird Dr. Mike is, and how much I loved him for it.
Omar and Dr Mike the best and wholesome collab, that gets you jacked and ripped.
The Raskol Jants advert at the end was comedy gold. Never change Chef Buff
At 64 and natty...i believe i get best results with hitting each body part once every 4 to 5 days..push ,pull ,legs lately seems best...train in the 8 to 12 set range mostly doing 2 to different movements...form is mostly very strict.last sets are very intense..finding to perfect amount of time,reps and movements for me on training day is always my goal...every training day reguardless of body part is always different...mind muscle connection for me is 100 %..
Mike keeps referencing Harry Potter, but Radcliffe is getting pretty jacked
It's a shame he's become such an anus along with it.
Harry Spotter, the boy who lifted.
Mike Mentzer was the world's most balanced bodybuilder. He had a chip on both shoulders!
Man this video is hella whack like who cares just get jacked af it’s not rocket science boys
Yeah Arnos and Weider put the chips there.
All volume does is get heart pumping.
I lol every time they mention Mike Mentzer and instead show Ray Mentzer.
Props on the title, it was a clever one, definitely got me to watch
Wtf havent watched omar in years glad to see u back at it
At 63 and with arthritis, I am currently trying to find the "minimal effective dose" with my training, doing HIT. I do not say that everyone must train low volume to make gains, some people seem to do well with more but I think my body does better with less volume
I've also found less volume to feel much better on my joints and tendons, especially for my elbow tendons. I had a long history of golfer's elbow when I'd mix both climbing and higher volume pull-up work. Once weekly, heavy HIT style pull up training has been much more effective for me. Better strength and size gains, and zero pain thus far!
Good luck in your journey!
thanks and same to you@@trainmoveimprove
That pec tear was pretty gnarly 💪
OMG! He touched Dr. Mike on the shoulder! Are you surprise the interview was fully recorded and didn't stop within 4 seconds of Mike doing his Tyson? 🥊
Although age 73 & finding the discussion (Here & w/Mikes solo videos.) geared toward folks younger than myself, insightful. Anything based on science (Especially Mikes background.) is worth absorbing!
Omg, that Raskol Jants ad is brilliant! I'd totally get one from that, if I had a job...Yeah, I'm going to the gym now with my free time =/...
Top notch editing
My father brought me to watch "Harry Potter and the Philosophers Stone" in the cinema when I was ten years old. I was not prepared for that debauchery.
Dr Mike is the man
Fantastic breakdown and fantastic editing!
Mike's a riot!
I train full body twice a week with one set to failure-and-beyond per muscle group (ie, legs, chest, back, shoulders).
I have had great progress in strength and size.
I just had to learn what real failure/intensity is.
do you get paid to spread hate on all mike mentzer videos?🤣🤣@Mantastic-ho3vm
Yep that low amount of training would sure work for beginners. An intermediate and advanced bodybuilder would make very little gains doing that 👍
Great editing!
Dr. Mike doesn't BS anyone. And his content is so funny! He doesn't over rely on gay jokes. And I learned a lot about recoverable volume and how to program it for my 42 year old self.
Here for the ad at the end.
Great duo I dig it
That warning for graphic content WAS NOT WARNING ENOUGH WHY GOD WHY
The children are in there 100%.
I’ve done it all. 3*week, 5*week, 3days rest 3 days (so almost 6 days a week) and now I do 2 times a week(once on Tuesday and once on Sat).
One of the differences I found is something Dorian says, because it’s so long in between workouts, that when it’s time, you give it everything cause this is your chance.
I’ve also notice to Mikes point, only the legs seem to need that long of break. So Tom Platz said he only did squats twice a month, not sure how that breaks down, but maybe only do legs once every other cycle?
But it definitely works, and my muscles are “fuller”.
On the more workouts per week, I might have been a little more “shredded”, cause you get the resting muscle tone(not sure about that just a theory)
Are you natural?
@@bl41ck97 yup
As a slim figure'd dude, it has helped me greater in the past 3 months than they 18 months prior to that going every day, im fuller wider and heavier now, cant say HIT did it but it feels like it did so im gonna stick to it
Very good video. I'm about at the point where Dr. Mike describes at the 9:00 mark. For me, I find that the volume that I do in the gym, which has typically been of the high variety. I have changed over the last 18 months to a strategy that emphasizes strength development over muscular development. I do less sets and everything is more specialized. The biggest benefit I have felt from the volume and time I take in the gym has been the increase in work capacity. I can just go, now, for a long time now. It's something I have found fascinating in people I work with whose work capacity is lesser.
Crazy good editor
Mentzer described his most productive routine. Reading it to the letter, he did 63-84 sets to strict form failure per week and didn't do "intensification" techniques except pre exhaust.
84sets per muscle per week or wtf u talking about?
@@DarkoFitCoach Mentzer's "most productive routine" was an average of about 18 sets to failure per workout on a 2 way split. He said he originally did it 2 on one off, but did better with one on one off. 2 on one off comes out to 4.67 training days a week x 18=84 sets. One on one off is 3.5 days a week x 18=63 sets. You can search for "Mike Mentzer's Most Productive Routine"
From IronMan 2003
Heavy Duty: Mike Mentzer’s Most Productive Routine
Workout 1 (Monday)
Legs
Superset
Leg extensions 1 x 6-8
Leg presses 1 x 6-8
Squats 1 x 6-8
Leg curls 2 x 6-8
Calf raises 2 x 6-8
Toe presses 1 x 6-8
Chest
Superset
Dumbbell flyes or pec deck 1-2 x 6-8
Incline presses 1-2 x 6-8
Dips 2 x 6-8
Triceps
Superset
Pushdowns 1 x 6-8
Dips 1 x 6-8
Lying triceps extensions 2 x 6-8
Workout 2 (Wednesday)
Back
Superset
Nautilus pullovers 2 x 6-8
Close-grip pulldowns 2 x 6-8
Bent-over barbell rows 2 x 6-8
Traps
Superset
Universal machine shrugs 2 x 6-8
Upright rows 2 x 6-8
Shoulders
Superset
Nautilus laterals 2 x 6-8
Nautilus presses 2 x 6-8
Rear-delt rows 2 x 6-8
Biceps
Standing barbell curls 1 x 6-8
Concentration curls 2 x 6-8
‘Was there anything else you did differently with this routine?’ I asked eagerly.
‘Yes, I used this type of routine throughout my professional bodybuilding career, but the greatest gains I got from it was when, rather than following it on the usual four-out-of-seven-day schedule, I began spacing it so I trained every other day on a split routine.
@@DarkoFitCoachtotal sets for the whole body, maybe
@@richtheunstable3359 still sounds excessively high for Mike Mentzer's training philosophies.
Excellent explanation of the continuum between minimum effective dosage / volume and maximum recoverable volume.
Realizing that when you manipulate intensity and volume, your recovery times can be affected then explains why so many different training frequencies can work well for people. Low frequency like Mike Mentzer and high frequency can both work very well!
1. For a given individual: infrequent, high fatigue sessions at one end and frequent, lower fatigue sessions at the other end, can all meet the criteria of just being barely recoverable in time for the next workout.
2. Different individuals will have different rates of recovery, due to both genetics and their training history and age. So my 'high frequency' end of the spectrum could look very similar to your 'low frequency' end.
You’re a premier voice too Omar, don’t forget
I really enjoyed this
background music is LIT. good video too probly idk was too busy jammin
I'm liking this video solely for the anti-calf rant 😅 Omar and Dr. Mike speak for the people.
Omar why are your calves so captivating
fantastic colab.....good job boys
I get what Mike (Mentzer) was going for with HIT, but I've always been skeptical that he used it himself. The lack of training footage available of Mike training himself and not others was always really suspicious to me.
Dude not everyone is going to record every workout they do..remember he was from an era when there was less narcassism,plus His clients results says it all
Mentzer may not have used his own methods, but we are pretty sure Yates did. Granted, Yates did do a variety of exercises for only one set, but 3-4 sets total per muscle group on different movements is by far less than what most people do.
I was once coached by someone who was heavily influenced by Yates and mentzer. It did work pretty well. Maybe because I was approaching 40 and already achieved most of my muscle mass for being natural. Idk. All I know is that I was able to lift heavy, go all out, had no injuries, and made some muscle gains. Before, I was doing higher volume, slightly less intensity, was always getting injured, and wasn't seeing much progress anymore
In his books he has admitted it himself.
He built most of his mass with very high volume (sometimes more than 2 hours a day)
And reached an upper limit which could not be surpassed with more volume.
He only surpassed it and reached his peak when he switched to maximum intensity, brief and infrequent sessions.
The same applies to all advanced people
@JoshBenware many of Yates warmup sets were in the hypertrophic range, though. So he did more stimulating sets than it appears.
@martinw245 "in the hypertrophic range"...doing 5-30 reps may be the "hypertrophic range", but if it's not done close to failure, it doesn't matter. Submaximal efforts is a warmup. If you do a set of 6 reps with something you can lift for 12 reps, it's a warmup and the hypertrophic range doesn't apply to that submaximal effort.
The wasted edit, nice touch 🤣💀
the main idea of Mtz granted any work done is Heavy and to failure: ‘’1-any work done after the trigger for growth has been attained is unwanted damage. 2-The only logical way to find out what is the trigger point for each person is to start with the least amount of volume (one set to failure) then you adjust upwards as needed. To each his own trigger point’’
TBH I do follow Mike Mentzer - HIT - Heavy Duty style... and I do make twist on the set volume like a month with 3/4 sets then I jump to (after 1 quarter) 1 set. my goal -> keep mind to muscle connection excelent
In my 20s, I would do a typical PPL workout 3x per week, long run and sprints on the off days. It was great for me. I didn't exactly like the intense soreness during recovery, but I could deal with it especially since I was in the military and it a big part of the job. Now in my 30s, and with various injuries (not from lifting though), my recovery ability is somewhat less, and I do not really want to feel super sore after a workout for days. I have been experimenting with different schemes over time because mainly I do not like or want, nor can I afford to have an entire muscle group absolutely blasted for a few days at a time. I have started spreading out the volume in a total body format, and so far it has been enough stimulus without making me feel wiped out for days at a time. I'm not a pro bodybuilder, so I don't care to do everything optimally and I gotta say I like this method more.
The Spongebob squat kilked meh ahahahaha
Here early and I see no worms. I have been deceived
Please no injury videos without warning please
its afaaun😂
I paid Mentzer for lessons for a few months in the early 90's. I literally trained about 6 times a month. I gained, gained a nice layer of blubber on my stomach. I loved the intensity of the workout, but the sitting around for days got me bored, and felt lazy. I kind of liken it to getting tan. You could go to the equator, and lay out for hours. Super intense stimulus, and you have to wait while the burnt skin recovers before you try it again. Now compare that to laying out for shorter periods in say, Nevada, but doing it a few times a week, getting tan little by little. Studies have shown that, if you're not on steroids, it's better to train a muscle more frequently with a little less intensity. I do upper/lower body splits now, 4 days a week, and still have a good amount of muscle at 58 years old.
You did it wrong. Simple as that.
@@dendanskehelt4296 lol, pretty sure training with the guy who invented it means I was doing it correctly. The best part of training with him were discussions we would have after training. He even admitted that training without steroids might mean a whole different protocol.
U did the training correctly. But if u gained fat that means u overate. Above your maintenance calories. Not the fault of training but your eating
@@DarkoFitCoach I currently train a young man and he also has issues overeating and doesn't want to rest enough. Gym is his life as he put it. Why donøt young people have hobbies no more?
@@DarkoFitCoach lack of exercise is more the culprit. Bodybuilders are not known for their overall fitness, why so many keel over dead at early ages.
"I assume it was an adult film"
😂😂😂
I've been training like this for years mainly because I'm lazy it allowed me to hit a 405 bench 615 deadlift natty while having a fucked back and legs due to getting hit by a truck on my moped
@Omarlsuf-hope you get this: I studied Dorian's training of 1 set to or beyond failure and it works because here is why: Dorian selected exercises within his program that had a function example upper chest=1 set incline press, that will most likely cover inclined flies as well as they are both the same function of adduction, then move over to flat dumbell press for the lower part of the chest. Back training will be 1 row for upper back, dumbell row to the waist and close to the waist line for mid back and lower lats, them lat pull down wide grip for front lat width, Every exercise Dorian put had a purpose. I started selecting exercises for purpose. He even said for tricep, 2 is enough, arms by the side to hit short head and arms away and stretched to hit long head. I started training like this as it was so reasonable and after a month lay off of being on the couch, I am 5 weeks into my training and I have grown every session, the results are unreal. The next tip is when taking sets to failure (proper failure), your form, mind muscle connnection, using negatives to perfection, your technique all has to be on POINT and I promise you, you will never look back. I have trained like this for a year and my programs will most likely blow Mike's programs away and this is no lie. This reasonable form of training takes all the guess work away. Send thsi message to him and of he tries it, give Joey from Lebanon a shout out because it will open his eyes
@Mantastic-ho3vm He was very disciplined and restrained, today's bodybuilders go above and beyond what they need, which sounds great on paper but in reality, it is not.
I think so many bodybuilders dropping dead can also be attributed to over training where it concerns hear failure. Dorian was very methodical and his method 100% works, especially for natural bodybuilders that cannot train a bro split.
@Mantastic-ho3vm Well, I can vouch for it, at least it is methodical rather than running around the gym and second guessing what to do. Technique is also really, really important when it comes to utilizing 1 set.
@Mantastic-ho3vm If things go well for me, at the end of my training cycle in about 8 weeks, i'll send them to both Mike and Omarlsuf.
@Mantastic-ho3vm If you are a real bodybuilder, you will know we are creatures of perfection. Even Chris Bumstead still hides his arms today despite the fact he his the definition of perfection.
An important point of note is, that hypertrophy is not everything. And high volume training tends to put on more slow-twitch (endurance) muscles, compared to high intensity training, which makes sense, since for example marathon runners need endurance rather than strength, while powerlifters only need strength. The volume debate is really just a debate about your goals. Do you want to become a marathon runner/lumberjack or a powerlifter? Or a bodybuilder? Or something in between?
But hypertrophy is not everything, the brain matters too. Training also helps activate a larger % of total muscle fibers, making you more efficient and adapt at using your existing strength. Normal people can only use 30% of their muscular strength at best. Until a certain point, you do not need hypertrophy to gain strength. You can double or triple your strength if you learn to access 60% or 90% of your already existing muscles.
I have done high intensity training for three years and I have built more muscle mass than doing volume training for years. My health has improved and I spend less time in the gym. I cannot speak for anyone else, but HIT has worked for me. The only supplement I take is creatine monohydrate.
Post physique or else you're lying
you accidentally messed up the link to his channel. btw you and mike are some of my favorite guys to watch
Finally the truth is being revealed, I remember the days when everyone made fun of Dr Mike's HIT principles but not anymore
5:20 Dr. Mike knows Mentzer was right, admits his issue finally.
Why would you show the pec tear. Why do you burn my brain with such images
Dorian is the real deal. I would just take his advice over any other "training expert" on these days. Been working for me, gained over 30kg (66lbs) in 3 years just following his method. I would recommend anyone to try.
Yeah, the HGH definitely works, because no way in hell are you gaining 66lbs in 3 years natty. How can people lie so comfortably? Do you think everyone's a fool?
What’s your cycle? Even in gear that is incredible if it’s all muscle tissue 😮Big Ronnie talked about gaining 5lbs a year of muscle
The children yearn for the mines.
Light weight gives you better control when you’re hitting muscle failure. Better reps. Doing perfect reps while your arms are giving out is a plus.
Damn, this is more like a dr mike video that feature omar lol
You guys look like two kids with in their parents clothes. Huge.
Hahahahahaha truth
Is it possible to trade off adding more sets with just increasing the weight? Like……if four sets used to get it done no problem, now it doesn’t, can’t I just increase the weight to make the same four sets more valuable?
Yeah, that's one type of progression. Doing roughly the same number of sets / reps, but slowly adding weight.
Yes you can, but once you reach you potential (can‘t add weights forever), it‘s time to add sets
Adding weight is the best way to progressively overload, then reps, and if you absolutely can’t progress from there or max out the machine for the rep ranges you like then add sets.
Of course. Volume training doesn't mean you don't bother to increase the weight as you adapt. Processive resistance or progressive reps up to around 25 or so is how its done.
I haven’t seen any video notifications from you in years wtf
The elephant in the room regarding volume / recovery is whether or not you are using PED's. Sure if you are running gear you can make gains with higher volume training. However if. You are natural you will in my experience (over 40 years training and yes I competed as a natural and won against gear users ) get better results from low volume high intensity workouts. I have never seen a natural make good gains from 15-20 sets a bodypart. You just cannot recover from that naturally. No recovery = No growth.
Let's goooooooo
LFG
dr mike said what i was thinking- mentzer and yates were most likely outliers with high amounts of fast twitch muscle. they were able to put so much of their potential into the first set that follow up sets were less valuable. we all know those fast twitch dudes that can outlift everyone on the first set but their strength drops off steeply on the second. those are the guys that HIT works best for imo
1:56 had me rolling. had to pause
Is it truth about the calf trainning then? Not worth it?
Mentzer Deserved to win 1980 olympia and Platz deserved 1981
Extra good video. Mentzers best info is still 50 years old so maybe two sets of biceps a week and forearms 3x a week is fine even though one balls to the walls squat set is fine
Skeletal cells do not divide. Some weirdness happens with satellite cells, etc. It would be nice to have someone explain it, like you're explaining it to a fifth grader.
Yeah MikeM didn't want to inform the public that he had spent years upon years upon years building volume and building a base, reaching a point that his body has to adapt to a different kind of intensity, which is why a bunch of newbies think what MikeM does will work. I'm sure when you get so advanced, training once every 10 days or 14 days is enough but for someone who is new, intermediate, or even averagely advanced, it's not going to work. Dr Mike will clear things up
I have responded pretty good to HIIT and I am a beginner. It definitely can work, but like Mike said in the video, its probably due to the fact I have more type 2 muscle fibers. My muscles get sufficiently pumped, I feel a bit of soreness after each workout, I am getting stronger each workout and my body has changed quite a lot over the last year. Ultimately people have to just self experiment and find what works best for them.
Ahhh go train the weider way why don;t you.
He was addressing advanced trainees, not newbies.
@@baronmeduse WHYYYY do so many people forget about this part?????
Don't forget - Mike had books to sell too 😉
Was not expecting that pec tear at 2:50 🤢🤮
I'd suggest doing a few months of high-intensity, low volume work with ample recovery to anyone who has plateaued with their workouts. I first tried it in 2000, and my strength and muscle increased at a rapid rate. I imagine that is what it's like to be on a generous cycle. In 20 weeks, with one workout a week to 10 days, my big compound lifts went up 40-50%. I put inches on everywhere. I couldn't consume enough food to gain much weight. Put on about 7 lbs, with a significant recomp. I was at my limit at that point, and took time off from the gym, but my job changed at that time, and all those gains translated to being able to do physical work I never thought possible. The next time I got back into a gym, I pulled my heaviest deadlift ever, 550.
Never be afraid to try something new. You may be surprised at how your body responds.
Sure grandpa, now go back to sleep
Tried it last year for 5 months. Made absurd progress. Was almost a linear type of progress, like you’re on a cycle
@@sb0277corny
Inches everywhere, you say...
@@SuperLari1234 I have been making linear progressions in weight and reps for over a year straight with very few plateaus on low volume even after training for 4 years with douple/triple the volume before.
I could literally not train my biceps and they would still be sore from just back exercises
Consider yourself gifted then.
Unless you simply do the back exercises way too wrong lmao
That's nuts to me - I've done chinups with 100lbs and felt almost nothing in my biceps
The mechanics are maximum fatigue and micro tears without a debilitating injury. Your physical and mental ability will determine how many sets you need.
Micro tears is an old, outdated theory for hypertrophy. Modern thinking is that repeated bouts (sets) of high mechanical tension activate the titin mechanosensors in the muscle which ramps up protein synthesis. Doesn't need to be to total failure.
@@martinw245 Yes, some people just never learn
I've had a bro grab me, literally at -1 RIR...this bro told me, 2 more.
How to develop freakish hamstrings?
Same with any other muscle really, train them roughly twice a week, high intensity, somewhere between 8-16ish total working sets per week, explosive contraction, slow and controlled eccentric with full ROM and small pause at the stretch position (watch some of RP's leg training vids to see how).
Lying leg curls, seated leg curl, SLDL/Romanian DL are all good exercises, progressive overload and deload when needed.
Bear in mind genetics always play a role so you may just have a harder time making the hamstrings huge but the above is the best you can do. Good luck, all the best
@@25johnlowe Seated or lying leg curls (preferably seated if good machine) 2-4 sets per workout twice per week, sounds boring but thats what proper trainig is. Do not do 8-16 sets a week, thats way too much training to failure. Just try it and see.
@@joojotin I do 3 sets of lying leg curls with 1 RIR, and 3 sets dumbell RDLs and do this twice a week equalling 12 total working sets per week. This work well for me and is very much in line with what Mike and RP recommend too. If you manage to grow with much less then that's great. But I've tried long periods of doing less and increasing ghe volume (same intentisty) had worked for me and my training partner too.
I also apply the same principle to other muscle groups, 3 sets of 2 different exercises per workout equally 12 total sets. Some can get good gains with less, some need more, worth experimenting with this detail. All the best.
@@25johnlowe Its fine, but I recommend starting way lower if you are able to progress which most people are.
I do still think 12 sets is fine but I find it to be about maximum for most people in the long run and recommend way lower volume generally because so many people are doing too much and lacking the results for this very reason.
Me and my training partner have gone down to 2 sets of hamstring work in a week and still progressed nicely many many months. This surely isnt optimal but its just to show how little is needed in order to see significant progress.
Some muscles like biceps and hamstrings I have found somewhere around 4-6 sets for me is where I see the best progress and going higher than that creates a plateau very quickly.
If training hard of course.
Calves do it for the ladies brother!! Forget the boiz
Mentzer's methods are probably a bit sub-optimal based on what we now know about hypertrophy, but he was definitely on to something. And here's the thing: MM theory will work for many people (especially newbies) because their current routines are even *more* sub-optimal. MM is an upgrade over the too light, too many reps, too much junk volume training you see.
The other people are atleast perfecting their form through multiple sets and still getting hypertrophy. Mike menzter all intensity 1 or 2 set per week bs neither practices form nor gets the maximal results he claims.
It guarantee's enough stimulus to gain muscle and it guarantees the ability to recover from it.
"MM is an upgrade over the too light, too many reps"
And yet we know that anywhere from 5 to 30 reps is hypertrophic. So light weight and higher reps can indeed stimulate hypertrophy. Very light weights require training closer to failure though according to the research.
@@GoodByeSkyHarborLive
Some researchers estimate only 60% of max gains from one or two sets to failure.
@@martinw245 True, but a lot of people who are currently training sub-optimally also don't have a great grasp on reps-to-failure.
The KGB stare
I'll say this:
In America, if you don't have enough data for anything, your common sense is not allowed to proceed any further.
Our genetics are not that diverse from each other.
We are not the case of some of us having a cat like muscle fiber structures and others having a wolf or horse like muscle fiber structures.
We all to the one have the same muscle fiber groups that will withstand prolonged stress with quick time recovery time (wolf or horse), and those with short time stress tolerance and long recovery time period (cats).
We could call those groups as
1. Support muscles
2. Action muscles
The support groups are
a) abdominal, lower back and calf group.
b) the rest of the body.
Once you understand that, you will understand the core idea behind high intensity training and volume training and why each group needs different amount of stress and healing period in order to stimulate growth.
In my own decades long experience, working out with quite a few very good bodybuilders over the years and going through different phases, the high intensity with small volume is way superior to higher volume with lower intensity. It works with anyone who ever truly employed that strategy.
In essence, you should be in and out of the gym in less than 40 minutes, with 10 minutes stretching included. So 30 minutes of super hard workout with almost no breaks in between the sets. I guarantee you you won't be able to lift a gram more at the end of that 30 minutes.
There is only one calf workout i do. Wearing stillettos and going up n down stairs...
I know it's bad, but it's hard to take Mike seriously with how his physique looks.
Getting f*%£ing V Shred ads before your video snd just chilling there right underneath it... anyway you can get the UA-cams to block that sh!t?
Dr Mike speaks out of both sides of his 2 faces..... in one video he will say train to failer is king and then in another he will say it's not good depending on who he's with at the time
Indeed, he is a businessman here to build a personality and sell an app
Ik you prob respond but anyone in the comments could help
So I have been working out at home for 6 ish months but recently started at school and I like it cuz I can do certain movement I can’t do at home like squats and chest flies and I would just simply train at school but we have like no rest time it’s like 1 minute between sets should I start training less at home like 3-4 times ( I train to failure at home like two sets with partials and at school on squats and other movements I go to failure but not all movements) any advice
Also idgaf about my grammar
Just keep trying and learning, don’t worry you’ll get better! Hang in there!
lol at Raskol denim
Just go to the gym and do the best you can. We're all different. And sometimes parts as well.well. I built good thighs. when I were a young man on 3 to 5 reps which was incidental because I was a weightlifter not a bodybuilder. and my calves got big through bicycling and I don't mean with drugs. And don't forget, myostatin is the big one
MM trained thousands of clients and used a logical average from that for volume and recovery not his own individual personal training of volume /recovery. So when Israetel says train like MM that is not exactly accurate. The whole point of MM heavy duty training was to continue to progress without a need for periodization or cycling, or waiting until the point when you "feel" fatigued . Also, according to MM the muscle fiber theory is bullshit because fibers can change from slow twitch to fast twitch while you workout!
I'm willing to donate some calf tissue to Omar in exchange for a lifetime supply of Jants. My lawyer (my cat) said this is a legally binding offer.