I greatly enjoyed this lecture. It was a pleasure to listen, in particular the examples from real events. Thank you for uploading it. I'll watch it probably three or more times. Ackhoff is known for his criticism of the way students learn. I share this criticism and believe that the teacher can actively involve his audience in his teaching. But even Ackhoff, who takes the classic speaker position, does not ask his audience open questions, does not or only little actively involve them in his topic - today you would probably call it a "workshop". He does frontal teaching as he has experienced it himself and - ironically - he imparts his knowledge, but does not make room for the present experience. There are hardly any film documentations of interactive living learning where students actually become teachers because they want to get to the bottom of certain questions. Frontal speeches, stage presence, a single speaker explaining the world to you, all this belongs to the criticism of the systemicist Ackhoff, but where do you see him teaching in the way he has propagated? That the Systemics have had a visibly small - albeit very significant - influence on our living together as human beings is precisely because they too have retained a style of teaching that leads their criticism ad absurdum. This is why those people understand Ackhoff and many of his colleagues only because they have had self-study. What he says can only stick, because it corresponds with your own experience and trying out certain theories in practice. But if you simply consume the systemicists, you will not be able to remember what they want to teach in the long run, because you will not remember what you are not practicing yourself. The phenomenon of the "TED talks" is probably an expression of human habit, who like the students of a class want to sit in an auditorium and be entertained and instructed.
THANKS!!! My copy is damaged and I have looked for this on line for years. I eventually stitched together the parts I had using the 1993 talk to fill in the gaps.
I am a big-fan of Dr Ackoff & agree with him for the most part. This is the best of his presentations I've come across so I'm watching it a few times. Below is my temporary skepticism notes for farther investigation. *If wind-resistance is included in the law of falling bodies, in-general the falling speed is proportional to weight. If you limit yourself to no-more than our human senses, ancient western philosophers descriptions of observed world is least-worst. In nutshell the least-worst description of the-world is ultimately determined by the type, range, resolution, algorithms for, etc, etc the sensors we use to observe reality (ex: realities perceived by a microbe vs human vs god). *Superseded theories in science en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superseded_theories_in_science *Revolution: a solution strategy highly applicable-across & adopted-by a quorum of disciplines/institutions *Although system characteristics may not exist within its subsystems, system characteristics is a determined (ex: function-of) it's subsystems & thus analyzed via them. *Finding the ultimate individual part is limited by the resolution of your sensors (ex: Heisenberg's uncertainty principle). *Cause-&-effect is a description of nature and not a sacred/divine law nature is constrained to follow. *Japanese Notan: Artists, History & Designs study.com/academy/lesson/japanese-notan-artists-history-designs.html Similar to image histogram centering within photography *Machines to do physical & then abstract human tasks (ex: industrial & then computer revolutions) *The Meaning of Meaning en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Meaning_of_Meaning
ironically Mr Ackoff ALWAYS said that systems cannot be fully or accurately defined (or their parts) .. i think you've missed the point of why he tried to explain components of systems.. he described them to show that that was not the best way to look at reality he said we need to look at it in a NON mechanical way, thinking outside the box etc.
it's so sad how every single one of his lectures sound is really pretty bad i think maybe it's digital clipping in this one.. the volume level pushed too high when the video was reproduced.. if it goes into the red (over 0db) it creates that clicking noise.. please can you redo the video reproduction and don't try to push the volume up with adaptive limiters etc good content though
I greatly enjoyed this lecture. It was a pleasure to listen, in particular the examples from real events. Thank you for uploading it. I'll watch it probably three or more times.
Ackhoff is known for his criticism of the way students learn. I share this criticism and believe that the teacher can actively involve his audience in his teaching. But even Ackhoff, who takes the classic speaker position, does not ask his audience open questions, does not or only little actively involve them in his topic - today you would probably call it a "workshop". He does frontal teaching as he has experienced it himself and - ironically - he imparts his knowledge, but does not make room for the present experience.
There are hardly any film documentations of interactive living learning where students actually become teachers because they want to get to the bottom of certain questions. Frontal speeches, stage presence, a single speaker explaining the world to you, all this belongs to the criticism of the systemicist Ackhoff, but where do you see him teaching in the way he has propagated? That the Systemics have had a visibly small - albeit very significant - influence on our living together as human beings is precisely because they too have retained a style of teaching that leads their criticism ad absurdum.
This is why those people understand Ackhoff and many of his colleagues only because they have had self-study. What he says can only stick, because it corresponds with your own experience and trying out certain theories in practice. But if you simply consume the systemicists, you will not be able to remember what they want to teach in the long run, because you will not remember what you are not practicing yourself. The phenomenon of the "TED talks" is probably an expression of human habit, who like the students of a class want to sit in an auditorium and be entertained and instructed.
One of the Greatest teachers, i have ever seen, thank you from egypt
Welcome!
The most valuable wisdom shared so far! Thanks very much Kevin for sharing this wonderful dear professor ackoff's lecture. I really appreciate it!!!
He was really in his prime there. I’ve rewatched it many times.
Listening to Ackoff gives so much mroe than simply reading his books.
He was really a powerful speaker at this age.
He is a fire hydrant of reason and clarity
@@kevindutcher7314most people get BETTER at speaking publicly when they build up experience in it, through time!
THANKS!!! My copy is damaged and I have looked for this on line for years. I eventually stitched together the parts I had using the 1993 talk to fill in the gaps.
Bangers after banger after banger. Thanks for the value.
You’re welcome.
Thank you for sharing this Kevin!
My pleasure!
VHS dates from 1976, so this recording is probably from the late 1970s. Ackoff was born in Philadelphia in 1919.
34:40 - We have to be very careful with his name because a little line makes a big difference....Benjamin Whorf
Dr. Ackoff is the best! 🤣
I am a big-fan of Dr Ackoff & agree with him for the most part. This is the best of his presentations I've come across so I'm watching it a few times. Below is my temporary skepticism notes for farther investigation.
*If wind-resistance is included in the law of falling bodies, in-general the falling speed is proportional to weight. If you limit yourself to no-more than our human senses, ancient western philosophers descriptions of observed world is least-worst. In nutshell the least-worst description of the-world is ultimately determined by the type, range, resolution, algorithms for, etc, etc the sensors we use to observe reality (ex: realities perceived by a microbe vs human vs god).
*Superseded theories in science en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superseded_theories_in_science
*Revolution: a solution strategy highly applicable-across & adopted-by a quorum of disciplines/institutions
*Although system characteristics may not exist within its subsystems, system characteristics is a determined (ex: function-of) it's subsystems & thus analyzed via them.
*Finding the ultimate individual part is limited by the resolution of your sensors (ex: Heisenberg's uncertainty principle).
*Cause-&-effect is a description of nature and not a sacred/divine law nature is constrained to follow.
*Japanese Notan: Artists, History & Designs study.com/academy/lesson/japanese-notan-artists-history-designs.html
Similar to image histogram centering within photography
*Machines to do physical & then abstract human tasks (ex: industrial & then computer revolutions)
*The Meaning of Meaning en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Meaning_of_Meaning
ironically Mr Ackoff ALWAYS said that systems cannot be fully or accurately defined (or their parts) .. i think you've missed the point of why he tried to explain components of systems.. he described them to show that that was not the best way to look at reality
he said we need to look at it in a NON mechanical way, thinking outside the box etc.
To understand system thinking and complexity thinking, start your journey with Dr Ackoff work.
21:40 - Man is like a fly riding on the trunk of an elephant who thinks he's steering it...because it makes the ride a lot more intresting
thank you❤!
37:47
it's so sad how every single one of his lectures sound is really pretty bad
i think maybe it's digital clipping in this one.. the volume level pushed too high when the video was reproduced.. if it goes into the red (over 0db) it creates that clicking noise.. please can you redo the video reproduction and don't try to push the volume up with adaptive limiters etc
good content though
It is a copy of a copy of an old videotape. Nothing I can do. I have found other lectures on UA-cam, where he was older.