Apologies guys! For the Pistol Build I showcase at 5:21, I made an error showcasing the skill setup. There's no reason to run Body Expertise with Pistols. Instead, follow this build if you want to replicate the gameplay: pd2builder.netlify.app/?s=1Q3c0-48110-5g90010N6xq0-4&p=k&a=0&t=d&d=5
Hacker is a sick deck but can we talk about sociopath because too many people see it as a "melee only deck" despite being one of the few decks that can live pretty reliably without the need of a skill like bullseye.
Armor on kill Health on melee kill %panic on kill Potential dozer melee shredding Armor gating I love the general threat you can be as a bruiser with sociopath alone. It's versatile and applicable for almost every situation and can be the surprising force to clear hallways or defend chokes.
Sociopath is fantastic. Im too used to its armour gating capability and 1-2 shotting bulldozers with melee that i cant use any other perk deck nowadays
Here’s a challenge I’ve been obsessed with for a couple of days: Beat payday 2 as depicted in the trailers. This means each heist you can only use weapons, heisters and equipment shown used in the trailers or other promotional material per heist. This includes material that contain a heist as a secondary measure, eg the skulldozer trailer takes place on a normal bank heist, allowing use of the KSP. It also includes official screenshots on the official websites or on the steam store page. All other challenge restrictions remain If a heist has no promotional material showing weapons, good luck that’s a pacifist clear 🎉
I was one of the few who tried out hacker after it got buffed/reworked and it has paid dividends for my success and overall fun with the game. Running a DMR kit CAR-4 and mini Uzi has been a blast.
Maaaan, played payday 2 on release and got to level 69. The last bit of DLC I bought was the cage 3 pack, it's been so long since then I feel without a team I could not wrap my mind around how much the game has changed. Not to mention the dlc I'd have to buy
im using a very similar pistol setup but im using a copycat stoic with high dodge and it works wonders for me Edit i did the math and unless i fed it somewhere it should turn out that the dode gives more effective tank than the health variant and you can delete any random burst dmg from dodge failing you with the flask
5:40 - CopyCat Hacker is just worse in every way though. Even with the 80% Health boost it doesn't really give you any new breakpoints. You can get three shot health with jokers sure, but with regular the 75% dodge chance that you can very easily reach is likely to fairly consistently dodge 2-3 shots before taking any health damage. And the healing factor will give you the ability to rebuild your two shot with one well timed ecm, whereas with CopyCat if you don't have FAK's or rely on somebody else in the team with Biker or grinder or something you have no way of healing. While CopyCat-Hacker essentially locks you in to FAK's for basically no benefit, regular Hacker can be run with essentially any deployable and still be just as potent
Biker and Grinder don't provide healing to their team. Biker heals only himself on kill, while grinder heals only himself on damage done. Hacker, Leech and Tag Team are (I think) the only decks that heal both the user, and his team, if their conditions are met. One other thing that Copycat Hacker can rely on is Hostage Taker, which is a powerful skill to have, especially on dodge decks. I do agree though. Copycat hacker is just worse hacker, outside of stealth.
build looks fine, except body expertise, which doesn't work with pistols, no matter if they're automatic. only works with specials, (akimbo) smgs, assault rifles and lmgs
Completely right! I’ve just realised this was part of a build I used to showcase the new weapons and I’ve just not gone back and fixed it when recording this section later on. Will add a fixed version of the build in the pinned comments!
i was a hacker main before the buff and frankly this change has made the deck less interesting to me because the stun lets me rack up kills with relative impunity whereas before i had to like... take cover and be cautious. On another note, i did appreciate when i was rushing objectives that i would have to think about when to activate the pcm, just activating it when in cover then charging would stun positively no one, whereas now i can do exactly that and be completely fine and i kinda miss having to think about that. oh well, there are 20 other decks to use so i guess ill just pick one of them.
I wish they would go around and buff a ton of perk decks that are bsaically never used. Tag team for example sounds so interesting but I have NEVER seen it used lol
Nah, Tag Team in reality is a good perk deck. It's insanely underrated and overshadowed because it's in the H3H3 DLC Pack. I'd rather see actually bad perk decks made more reliable, stuff like Yakuza, Hitman, Gambler, and Biker are much more deserving of buffs. I'd love to see them more useful and original in DS. It is also worth to mention that a couple perk decks should be made more reliable like Maniac and Infiltrators melee heal since imo those can be fun good perk decks they just arent reliable enough.
the multiple procs wasn't a bugfix, it was a buff. why did it get this straight buff making it a 25m radius 10 second concussion grenade and not fix ecm effecting jokers (this is not something I actually want done because at most it's just kind of annoying)
At 4:51 you mention that only hacker is realistically able to do that, although I think Kingpin 100% can as well. You'll need to wait to pop your injector until a few seconds into the run, and generally have good precision to do it quickly enough, but you for sure can. Hacker offers a longer time at the cost of not actually being invincible in the same way Kingpin would be (green dozers aren't real). Definitely some give-and-take, but I don't think that's a niche only hacker fills. It does have the benefit over Kingpin of being more consistent when covering teammates making plays like that. I realize now that any deck could probably do this with just a concussion grenade or two, although that seems like not exactly what you mean.
It may just be me but with the striker 18 feels a little too weak for note than 2 bulldozers Something that i recommend that has worked for me is using the akimbo tatonkas with modified for concealment so you can get basic concealment That's my humble opinion
I'm just happy because I was using hacker as a loud build and got Insulted and laughed at for using it, but most of what he says is exactly the reasons why I used hacker even when it didn't follow me it was still a nice reprieve, even with the short duration that it lasted to begin with, it always felt like a win-win to be honest, as I could pick up teammates fairly easily and get myself out of trouble, and when I inevitably almost ran out of Health, I would just pop the ECM and go to work with a sniper rifle, even have a nice build that combos the sniper rifle and the pariah submachine gun Ammo pickup can get kind of risky but it's really fun in the end, don't know how it'll work now but I hope it works better than it did before.
So I ain't played since much off and on since 2016, bout to infamy I, so hacker and what primary? I usually always have the AP or DB Judge if those work. rn I'm doing shotgun anarchist but i prefer dodge builds i think though fak spamming leech does sound fun also is the North Star better with irons?
So something that confuses me a little is has this update been passed to the consoles? I know there is a disparity between PC and console but does that only go as far as expansion or do we get the relevant updates for the material released on consoles too? I’m at work so I can’t check for another 8 hours. Also, I’ve been using the hacker deck, but I’m leveling it up too. The only thing I’ve been able to do without max level and max perk deck so far is very hard on the story runs. I’m also not great at the stealth aspect of the game which is one of the reasons I chose hacker. As of yet, I have no max perk decks and haven’t hit infamy 1 either. So far so good though.
Although hacker has become stronger, it's hard to argue that it's the best deck. To say in good faith that hacker is better than leech or stoic is incredibly difficult, and honestly the same with kingpin. This is more to say that these decks were all obnoxious, and hacker has come close to them without really overtaking anything. It was the fourth best deck, and it still is. I've seen people make the argument that the deck is very easy to play and someone who can kill really well *can* make it the best deck, which even if true, speaks more to the player using it rather than the deck itself.
I think an argument can be made that it’s up there with Leech, Kingpin and Stoic, at the very least, I’ve been favouring it over Anarchist lately! I agree it might be a case of “anything but the stuff I’ve been playing for 3 years straight,” though.
Oh, while I've got you in the comments section - where would you place Copycat at this point? Tier 0 by default, or actually inferior to the base versions of the best decks in the game?
It's tough to say because it's so modular, but it's B tier at the very least off of 2 second god mode alone. How you set it up makes it fluctuate throughout B tier, and maybe even entering low A tier. As for how it relates to the decks it copies, it varies (obviously). If it copies anything in S and A tier, it's going to be worse, and everything else will be better depending how you set up cards 1-7. Although a couple decks don't follow that idea, there's nothing I can think of that is a sidegrade compared to the original deck.
i've been a hacker main since god knows how long because of this one akimbo cr805 build i got from youtube (forgot who made it but i remember he said the build is pretty much selfish because the ammo bags are only for you). 23 dr with sneaky bastard aced, suitable with aggressive playstyle, and gun go brrrr is my kind of weapon
Apologies guys! For the Pistol Build I showcase at 5:21, I made an error showcasing the skill setup. There's no reason to run Body Expertise with Pistols. Instead, follow this build if you want to replicate the gameplay: pd2builder.netlify.app/?s=1Q3c0-48110-5g90010N6xq0-4&p=k&a=0&t=d&d=5
what’s wrong with body expertise on pistols?
@@aIgorithmorbitdoesn't work otherwise it would kill anything including minigun dozers in an mag on body
Hacker is a sick deck but can we talk about sociopath because too many people see it as a "melee only deck" despite being one of the few decks that can live pretty reliably without the need of a skill like bullseye.
Armor on kill
Health on melee kill
%panic on kill
Potential dozer melee shredding
Armor gating
I love the general threat you can be as a bruiser with sociopath alone.
It's versatile and applicable for almost every situation and can be the surprising force to clear hallways or defend chokes.
Sociopath is fantastic. Im too used to its armour gating capability and 1-2 shotting bulldozers with melee that i cant use any other perk deck nowadays
I feel like Sociopath is ignored often because it literally requires a $15 ($10 with a $5 DLC) game to gain access to
Sociopath sucks.
You don't get to use the damage buff when you use the funny spoon.
0/10 deck. Infiltrator better.
@@Kunnoc imagine using the spoon, fire axe better.
Here’s a challenge I’ve been obsessed with for a couple of days:
Beat payday 2 as depicted in the trailers.
This means each heist you can only use weapons, heisters and equipment shown used in the trailers or other promotional material per heist.
This includes material that contain a heist as a secondary measure, eg the skulldozer trailer takes place on a normal bank heist, allowing use of the KSP. It also includes official screenshots on the official websites or on the steam store page.
All other challenge restrictions remain
If a heist has no promotional material showing weapons, good luck that’s a pacifist clear 🎉
that's a sick idea!
5:33 as far as I know Body Expertise doesn't work with pistols, even automatic ones. So you better spend those points elsewhere, unless I'm wrong.
Explains why I do significantly less damage on body shots
I was one of the few who tried out hacker after it got buffed/reworked and it has paid dividends for my success and overall fun with the game. Running a DMR kit CAR-4 and mini Uzi has been a blast.
Oh god another shout out, thank you again.
It's too bad BE doesn't work on pistols, but could you imagine the damage? Maybe I can ask a mod creator..
I’d rather use your build anyway!
Leech: hello, im from the future. Im an Amazon Prime version of you.
Maaaan, played payday 2 on release and got to level 69. The last bit of DLC I bought was the cage 3 pack, it's been so long since then I feel without a team I could not wrap my mind around how much the game has changed. Not to mention the dlc I'd have to buy
Want to duo up? Recently got back into it as well & have been running solo until I level up some more.
i swear overkill saw hacker and they were like "lets make this already top tier deck even more powerful
The pocket ecm was not working properly for years. Believe it or not this is what hacker was always intended to be
@@aimilize3518 yeah i know that but god its just crazy how much more powerful it is now
body expertise doesnt apply to pistols though?
im using a very similar pistol setup but im using a copycat stoic with high dodge and it works wonders for me Edit i did the math and unless i fed it somewhere it should turn out that the dode gives more effective tank than the health variant and you can delete any random burst dmg from dodge failing you with the flask
Body expertise does not work with automatic pistols
5:40 - CopyCat Hacker is just worse in every way though. Even with the 80% Health boost it doesn't really give you any new breakpoints. You can get three shot health with jokers sure, but with regular the 75% dodge chance that you can very easily reach is likely to fairly consistently dodge 2-3 shots before taking any health damage. And the healing factor will give you the ability to rebuild your two shot with one well timed ecm, whereas with CopyCat if you don't have FAK's or rely on somebody else in the team with Biker or grinder or something you have no way of healing.
While CopyCat-Hacker essentially locks you in to FAK's for basically no benefit, regular Hacker can be run with essentially any deployable and still be just as potent
Biker and Grinder don't provide healing to their team. Biker heals only himself on kill, while grinder heals only himself on damage done.
Hacker, Leech and Tag Team are (I think) the only decks that heal both the user, and his team, if their conditions are met.
One other thing that Copycat Hacker can rely on is Hostage Taker, which is a powerful skill to have, especially on dodge decks.
I do agree though. Copycat hacker is just worse hacker, outside of stealth.
build looks fine, except body expertise, which doesn't work with pistols, no matter if they're automatic. only works with specials, (akimbo) smgs, assault rifles and lmgs
Completely right! I’ve just realised this was part of a build I used to showcase the new weapons and I’ve just not gone back and fixed it when recording this section later on. Will add a fixed version of the build in the pinned comments!
Id love to see a guide on ex pres because its a damn good perk deck that i rarley see get use in pubs
i was a hacker main before the buff and frankly this change has made the deck less interesting to me because the stun lets me rack up kills with relative impunity whereas before i had to like... take cover and be cautious. On another note, i did appreciate when i was rushing objectives that i would have to think about when to activate the pcm, just activating it when in cover then charging would stun positively no one, whereas now i can do exactly that and be completely fine and i kinda miss having to think about that.
oh well, there are 20 other decks to use so i guess ill just pick one of them.
Infiltrator has got a lot of good going for it, with the melee DMG bonus being horrible described in game, would love a vid on it :)))
I’d like to see something about ex-president. It may just be personal experience, but I’ve found it to be extremely tank with the right skills.
I wish they would go around and buff a ton of perk decks that are bsaically never used. Tag team for example sounds so interesting but I have NEVER seen it used lol
Nah, Tag Team in reality is a good perk deck. It's insanely underrated and overshadowed because it's in the H3H3 DLC Pack. I'd rather see actually bad perk decks made more reliable, stuff like Yakuza, Hitman, Gambler, and Biker are much more deserving of buffs. I'd love to see them more useful and original in DS. It is also worth to mention that a couple perk decks should be made more reliable like Maniac and Infiltrators melee heal since imo those can be fun good perk decks they just arent reliable enough.
@@RubiZeFerret I agree. There are way too few viable perk decks. All of them should be equally good
the multiple procs wasn't a bugfix, it was a buff. why did it get this straight buff making it a 25m radius 10 second concussion grenade and not fix ecm effecting jokers (this is not something I actually want done because at most it's just kind of annoying)
TheKknowley : hacker is very good
Leech : hold my beer
both are great
Is there any reason not to use Duck and Cover Aced with the Hacker Pistol build?
At 4:51 you mention that only hacker is realistically able to do that, although I think Kingpin 100% can as well. You'll need to wait to pop your injector until a few seconds into the run, and generally have good precision to do it quickly enough, but you for sure can. Hacker offers a longer time at the cost of not actually being invincible in the same way Kingpin would be (green dozers aren't real). Definitely some give-and-take, but I don't think that's a niche only hacker fills. It does have the benefit over Kingpin of being more consistent when covering teammates making plays like that.
I realize now that any deck could probably do this with just a concussion grenade or two, although that seems like not exactly what you mean.
Ah, Kingpin. I wish I had put points into it before it got nuked...
It may just be me but with the striker 18 feels a little too weak for note than 2 bulldozers
Something that i recommend that has worked for me is using the akimbo tatonkas with modified for concealment so you can get basic concealment
That's my humble opinion
One time while playing hacker vanilla hud+ showed my dodge percent as 150
I'm just happy because I was using hacker as a loud build and got Insulted and laughed at for using it, but most of what he says is exactly the reasons why I used hacker even when it didn't follow me it was still a nice reprieve, even with the short duration that it lasted to begin with, it always felt like a win-win to be honest, as I could pick up teammates fairly easily and get myself out of trouble, and when I inevitably almost ran out of Health, I would just pop the ECM and go to work with a sniper rifle, even have a nice build that combos the sniper rifle and the pariah submachine gun Ammo pickup can get kind of risky but it's really fun in the end, don't know how it'll work now but I hope it works better than it did before.
You ain't selfish if you play Rogue without Optical Illusions
Love the vid! Just want to ask what song are you using ?
Kknowley pls make a pdth video to revive the game
This will help with the last dit h effort to get the bags in before I die last minute on a fuck up 😂
So I ain't played since much off and on since 2016, bout to infamy I, so hacker and what primary? I usually always have the AP or DB Judge if those work. rn I'm doing shotgun anarchist but i prefer dodge builds i think
though fak spamming leech does sound fun
also is the North Star better with irons?
What's your most list?
But why "Body Expertise" if you're using pistols?
what are the dual guns being used at 4:26
Akimbo CZ 805 Bren A1
"Rogue players tend to be seen as selfish"
Meanwhile me, a Rogue medic:
What mods are you using? Also love your videos
give copycat gambler a try
it's not gonna steamroll anything, but it makes for a good lightweight grinder, with skill room to do a lot
So something that confuses me a little is has this update been passed to the consoles? I know there is a disparity between PC and console but does that only go as far as expansion or do we get the relevant updates for the material released on consoles too? I’m at work so I can’t check for another 8 hours.
Also, I’ve been using the hacker deck, but I’m leveling it up too. The only thing I’ve been able to do without max level and max perk deck so far is very hard on the story runs. I’m also not great at the stealth aspect of the game which is one of the reasons I chose hacker. As of yet, I have no max perk decks and haven’t hit infamy 1 either. So far so good though.
No, Console hasn’t gotten any new patches at all. So no console gamers don’t get the buffs nor the changes.
Which is better hacker or leech?
hacker for solo and leech for multiplayer
That you so much
Me asf playing hacker just to block cameras and pagers 🗿🗿
I dont really like the new hacker. Im just gonna stick to yakuza just for the extreme speed!
Although hacker has become stronger, it's hard to argue that it's the best deck. To say in good faith that hacker is better than leech or stoic is incredibly difficult, and honestly the same with kingpin. This is more to say that these decks were all obnoxious, and hacker has come close to them without really overtaking anything. It was the fourth best deck, and it still is.
I've seen people make the argument that the deck is very easy to play and someone who can kill really well *can* make it the best deck, which even if true, speaks more to the player using it rather than the deck itself.
I think an argument can be made that it’s up there with Leech, Kingpin and Stoic, at the very least, I’ve been favouring it over Anarchist lately! I agree it might be a case of “anything but the stuff I’ve been playing for 3 years straight,” though.
Oh, while I've got you in the comments section - where would you place Copycat at this point? Tier 0 by default, or actually inferior to the base versions of the best decks in the game?
It's tough to say because it's so modular, but it's B tier at the very least off of 2 second god mode alone. How you set it up makes it fluctuate throughout B tier, and maybe even entering low A tier.
As for how it relates to the decks it copies, it varies (obviously). If it copies anything in S and A tier, it's going to be worse, and everything else will be better depending how you set up cards 1-7. Although a couple decks don't follow that idea, there's nothing I can think of that is a sidegrade compared to the original deck.
The likes on the vid are 999 exactly
Gosh I wish I never played this game on console
cant count the amou8nt of times ive had 100% dodge
you should make a sicario vid, dont see it used much if at all...
Stoic op
Oh no.
It's been my goto deck cause I find EW cool. Now I'm worried its gonna get a nerf
Wolfhud is fixed?
Vanilla Hud Plus
As someone who has been playing hacker for a year before the buff, I must say, this was definitely not needed lol
i mean, what they just did was to "fix" it, as in, make it work the intended way
Sorry, too focused on armored stoic from capycat to literally remember anything else
Sucks that joys voice lines hurt my ears on loud
Lets go i can copy his build and still be trash in payday 2
Hacker I forgot how to be fair
Marcmb get to your channel?
YOU MEAN TO TELL ME HACKER IS OP?
WHAT TAW WAAAAAW WAAAAAW WAATAAWTAWTWAWATAT WT
I thought you we're done with copycat....
Hahaha, those scripts were actually written out of order! Promise I'll give it a rest now.
Hacker supremacy 💪💪💪
Hello there 🍻
Naaah. Leech.
i've been a hacker main since god knows how long because of this one akimbo cr805 build i got from youtube (forgot who made it but i remember he said the build is pretty much selfish because the ammo bags are only for you). 23 dr with sneaky bastard aced, suitable with aggressive playstyle, and gun go brrrr is my kind of weapon