@@fernandogonzalez6759 You genuinely dont know? Because it makes scripting/hacking way more difficult. If it only starts when playing the game, it will only scan when the game is running and scripter could do anything they want before they launch the game. Which means way more freedom for scripters to do stuff.
@@sinistressdreams7243 You're completely wrong lol stop talking out of your ass. By that logic I can just set up a fresh windows install, go crazy installing a million scripts or hacks and only then install league or valorant. Seems like a pretty easy exploit dont you think?
@@sinistressdreams7243 and for that I have to permit a chinese company to have access to my PC 24/7 even when my PC isn't running their game AAAAAAAND when vanguard is a joke? were the valorant pros CHEATED ON FUKING STAGE?
@@mahmutweeb Safe yourself your stupid comments. Vanguard is completely incompatible with linux. And also incompatible with a lot of virtualization technologies which are often needed if you do IT stuff and can only be disabled through bios changes and a reboot. Also lets not forget the enormous list of software which gets falsely identified as cheating software by Vanguard, as well as many well-justified privacy concerns because of their always-on approach. Vanguard makes the game simply inaccessible or a hassle to deal with for a lot of users, even independent of their operating system.
I'm a Linux user and this really sucks. Riot stated multiple times that they were aware that around 4% of their players ran Linux and even though they did not support it (the project is entirely community driven), they did not mean to shut it down. The vanguard announcement just came out of the blue and the fact that on Mac is not even required (purely out of lazyness of recreating vanguard from scratch to work in unix systems) just adds salt to injury. Needless to say, I'm not going to forfeit my privacy and freedom for a game
@@NoAlias_ Some guys managed to run lol in windows vm when 13.23 patch broke wine with gpu and hw passthrough so it could be, theoretically speaking, possible to run it on a Mac vm. Obviously performances will be terribile though on average PCs
6:11 What Will said about Riot having access to enabling and disabling drivers is very true and has affected me I played Valorant when it came out. For some reason, vanguard was disabling my network adapter one day and I couldn't do anything but to uninstall Vanguard to fix this issue(even simply disabling Vanguard after every boot up did not fix this)
Yo I had that exact issue and could never figure out why. My NIC stopped working, but I could still connect via ethernet on the motherboard. The driver was deleted and would not reinstall. Uninstalled Valorant and Vanguard, and it let me get the driver and it started working again.
Same issue for me, i tried playing valorant after like a year of quiting cs:go and i couldnt even play, everytime i launched my pc while having vanguard my mouse would barely work or just straight up die, had to delete vanguard and it worked perfectly. Time to quit LoL
The Problem with Vanguard over something like EAC (Easy Anti-Cheat) is that EAC only is active while the game is running. With Vanguard, it always being on, even when not playing the game, is an issue. Also, if you Disable Vanguard, you have to completely reboot your PC for Vanguard to relaunch and to access LoL. I really think this'll be an issue for a lot of people, given how most people like their privacy and....you know...Riot being hacked last year a few times isn't exactly a vote of confidence for this kind of thing being put into a person's computer, given their own security problems.
People doesnt like their privacy. That's why every device has some social media appp. People just love to take the high road in preaching privacy and security
Yeah that would be annoying, some people want to cut down on CPU usage while doing other things, not being able to casually turn on and off vanguard without a reboot is gonna be crappy.
Them being hacked does not equate to vanguard being taken over. That's not really how hacking works. The only way for that to happen would be for multiple people at riot to circumvent the company to target data gathering at its users and they would have to hide it from others in the company. Your data isn't being stored so a hack couldn't steal it.
@@mahmutweeb Personal informations for Ads, Scammers , Hackers and censorship to control what you said and is it in the line with the State. Not to mention all the other security risk since There can be works emails on your computer, Your Bank account info, Your Safety code for your other things.
Riot literally had a security breach earlier, and now they want to install a 24/7 Rootkit on your PC. Its like giving your House Keys to any random on the street and letting them know where you live.
I personally don’t overly care about the vanguard BUT my friends care a lot about installing vanguard. I only play league with my friends and have lost interest playing solo. This will seriously kill their player base if there are a lot of friend groups that play like mine
Most people will probably forget about it in a few month. The fact that valorant is popular with vanguard means most users don't care. It will be like every other riot drama.
valorant came with vanguard which is the reason many people including me didnt care about valorant but lol is gonna loose the current playerbase it has valorant cant loose something they never had.@@timercolen1586
no, people in the valorant community still complain about vanguard, some people can't even uninstall it without formatting their pc lmao @@timercolen1586
Then you shouldn’t have ever installed League in the first place. Computer safety 101 is to never download anything from a source you don’t trust. Riot, if they held malicious intent, could’ve bricked your PC long before they even thought about mandating Vanguard.
@@andrew_h6 Bruh don't be lazy and actually use your head. If they want to steal data they won't act "out loud". They wouldn't brick your pc. They would be there. 24/7. in the background. Having access to ANYTHING. While also self declaring as just for your safety. This is what someone who wants your data would do, not "brick your system" lol. Now if they actually want to do that, we CAN'T know
Kernel level programs work completely differently than base level software. It gives the program the highest credentials. It could literally pull all info from your machine. Especially if it runs 24/7. And it’s not trusting them not to do something. It’s trusting them to prevent someone else from doing it
@@paulojose7568 If you don’t trust Riot with data then you shouldn’t install or use any of their services. Just because this one has higher privilege doesn’t mean that it is significantly riskier. A program does not need kernel-level access to do the things you fear Vanguard will do. You’re buying into fearmongering
@@bygonehope6158 I know that kernel level programs are given 0th level access. But that doesn’t change the fact that it’s not inherently more dangerous than 1st-3rd level access. Cybersecurity for a consumer is about trust, and if you do not trust a company (which is fine), you shouldn’t install any of their services. Like I said, it doesn’t take 0th level access to get your information or brick your pc.
I actually think that the TPM 2.0 requirement will alienate even more players than Vanguard itself. One big advantage of LoL was always that basically every toaster could run it, often even with outdated operating systems. The hardcore playerbase will on average have more modern and powerful PCs, but the casual players (which are actually the majority, most don't even play ranked) are more likely to use some old Office PC from the early 2010s. They all either need to upgrade, or stop playing league.
But then again, security gets more and more important these days. The attacks to compromise a system are getting more sophisticated each day and the damage which can be done is also rising from day to day. Its just the flow of time. We get more and more connected each day which makes us also more vulnerable. To tackle this problem the security has also to get tighter. An old PC´s and especially Software are a weak spot. So yeah, you either go with the flow of time or get left behind. It was always this way and will be. Look at old people with IT Stuff. They are a prime target for criminals since they dont know anything about it and are easy to deceive
Unfortunately Ryscu didn't really put it into the right context and that's why its a bit misleading. The Windows users that are affected by TMP 2.0 are ONLY Windows 11 users and to install Windows 11 you do need TMP 2.0 anyway. Windows 10 users are NOT affected by this as of now. So even with your 2010 office PC you should in theory be able to run League as good as before.
I would love to continue playing League but I literally wouldn't be able to since my Mainboard (which is only 6 years old) doesn't support TPM 2.0 and Secure Boot.... Had the same issue with Valorant already, I would love to play the game but I'm just not able to. Same with my Girlfriend, she has a gaming laptop and its not compatible... One of my friends would be able to play Valorant, but he just doesn't want to go into his Bios and change one setting. As soon as you are required to do something "complicated" other than just creating an Account and installing the game, many of my friends just dump the game. The same will happen with league, he wont continue playing the game after the Anticheat will be implemented, same with me.
@@Alatreon22 No that is wrong. I am on Windows 10 and I am required to have TPM 2.0 enabled. I have seen several other people on Windows 10 complaining about the same issue. It seems like that depending on your System, if something looks suspicious somehow or your Account gets flagged, you are also required to enable TPM 2.0 on Windows 10 too and they already announced that TPM 2.0 will also be a requirement on Windows 10 within the next few months.
@@FMCoding Can you link or tell me where they said it will become a requirement? TMP 2.0 is certainly not a requirement right now, unless you may be using a very old version of Windows 10 that is so old not even Microsoft supports it anymore. Then they probably also put you under TMP 2.0 requirement but that's on you in this case. If that's not the case, the only thing you actually had to do was disable "Virtualization-based security" and you were good to go which is something that can be done within Windows in a few seconds. I can still play Valorant just fine and don't have TMP 2.0 activated, my motherboard doesn't even support it.
I love how Riot went from, "hackers and scripters are so rare, its not a problem!" to "We need access to everything in your PC at a level not even your protection does because this is such a big problem". I dunno. Seems kind of extreme? Instead of just building better serverside software to catch hackers/scripters, they'd rather just put a potential ticking timebomb on everyone's PC and alienate large portions who no longer can/want to play it.
@@LeTim013 There's only one game that uses Vanguard and that's Valorant, cybersecurity experts openly called it a rootkit btw. Idk what you're even trying to imply, but the only thing you did is expose that you're stupid.
Serverside software cannot deal with modern day scripter and hackers. So much so, that Kernel level anti-cheat has become the norm for a LOT of games. They are just not as open about it as riot it being.
There's also another issue that you probably don't know is that vanguard also messes up your pc performance, even when you are not playing, just when you use your pc on a regular basis, the vanguard eats everything up, i had a new pc just 3 months and when i played valorant, i noticed my pc was running slowly, and it turns out it was the vanguard's fault, even making my pc froze into bluescreen, so when hearing they are gonna force this app into league, i just immediately uninstalled it, because i play LoL casually and have fun not deter my PC for the sake of it.
These guys haven't fixed 5+ year old bugs, are constantly letting new bugs make it to live servers, have been getting hacked, and have already had source code stolen. Now they want us to give kernel level access to their proprietary anti cheat that runs 24/7. If they can't even avoid/fix bugs in their game what's stopping them from having the same issues with their anticheat?
I'm sad to go, but I think this will be my nail-in-the-coffin for League. 9 years and a run to Grandmaster makes for some good memories. Only way I see myself coming back to this game is if I eventually upgrade my PC and use my old one strictly as a League machine, but even then, I worry that a vulnerability that grants access to your PC has the potential to grant access to your network devices as well... and even if not, it's sort of ridiculous to have a PC just for League. Guess this is it. I'll miss this game.
So you now quit gaming entirely since basically every concern you mentioned here can already happen with ANY anti cheat that runs on kernel level and those are the ones used in the far majority of online games :D
@@Alatreon22 Presumptuous. I play pretty much exclusively League. Anything else I play is offline, or, on the rare occasion I play Minecraft with the boys, doesn't require anticheat. Not everyone plays a bunch of triple A games.
Ah yes. I feel could confident in letting a faceless company gain completely access to my files, especially after their hack last year. Such a confidence booster.
Thank you for covering this issue. One important thing missing is the difference between what Vanguard promises to do (trust me, bros) versus what it will have the ability to do. The access is much more massive than anything else. You severely underestimated it in this video. Long version: Level 1. If your system is compromised by a virus, it is still restricted, it can access shared and current user's files, do internet calls. Basically calln leak photos of your personal documents or encrypt them for ransom. Level 2: If a virus also uses a privilege escalation, it would be able to do it for all users, gp to encrypted and protected folders (vaults, other users). It can now also access your devices like camera and keyboard (reading your passwords and credit vard data as you type). It can also read memory of userspace (inkl admin) processes (so, get your saved passwords, current credentials) Level 3. If a virus can additionally compromise your OS, it can brick your hardware and can access the hardware more sneakily (like without camera lamp turning on). And it now has access to driver memory (so can leak your hardware authentication keys). So Vanguard immediately starts at level 3. And despite it promises to not touch anything, it will have access to do all of it. Now imagine if either Tencent needing something from you, or hackers hacking it like this year.
yeah I am really hesitating to download this shit. I think Riot's best course of action would be an anti-cheat that is NOT kernel level. Even if it's not as a effective I imagine it will still help a lot and it would be much more easily accepted from us users.
We will totally not use your computer in a chinese goverment funded botnet. We promise teehee. Meanwhile half of "smart" home appliences having obscene ammount of network traffic for no reason.
Hackers hacking it wouldn't be able to affect anything though, unless they manage to change the code in Riot's own repos and then Riot ships it without noticing the change at all, which is nigh impossible.
Dear Riot, Since cheating is such a big scandal in competitive that you are willing to out a chunk of the player base, how about you just make vanguard a requirement for competitive only? Sweats get their favorite excuse for losing taken away and the 90% of the player base that doesn't play ranked doesn't have to download your Chinese malware.
So, my biggest issue with Vanguard is not Riot doing dodgy shit, because monetarily if they get caught, they'll lose more than they'll gain (and some serious arrest warrants on all of the people working there) but because if any exploit is found in a 24/7 running kernel rootkit, essentially any hacker that pushes a 0-day can affect millions of players and infect them. The probably is super low, but I don't want to risk it. At least other games have it run while they are running, this is a time ticking bomb.
This is by far the most sensible response I've seen from the playerbase. Thank you for critically thinking. It's low-risk but it isn't no-risk. And in the small case a breach happens it would be devastating.
@@nixsnowsong6732 yeah, I used to have Vanguard when I played Valorant at launch, I haven't considered it backed in the day and wasn't so conscious about it. After the breach however, I'm not so sure about it. The fact that their solution was to drop in Vanguard on League, when a lot of its community plays on hardware which does not support TPM 2.0 as a quick way to fix the scripter problem that has been on the rise, says something about how willing they are to keep their original user base. Whatever happens, it's been a good journey, it's time to move on from this game.
A lot of people think this, but the reality is that Vanguard can't be exploited to hack a computer by itself, it's not possible. What it CAN do if an exploit or vulnerability is found, is allow a virus to gain more access to your computer than it would've otherwise had, but you would have to have downloaded the virus yourself in the first place.
Yeah, that's gonna be my issue too. Vanguard is kinda resource hungry and this also effects performance when you quit league and play other games. I'm probably just uninstalling league tbh
You can close Vanguard completely through the task manager. This forces you to restart your PC whenever you want to play league, but it is certainly possible to not be affected by Vanguard. So it won't eat your resources, and most likely won't cause problems for your PC, especially while closed.
Know what would also do away with scripters? Server side anticheat. The same method with AI but on server side that monitors your play style so it can tell when you begin acting abnormally. This has already been used in games like Runescape to detect account sharing, bot accounts, and people selling runescape accounts. And its pretty effecting over there without being this invasive.
Selling accounts and scripting is a completely different thing. You know what other game has their server side ai anti-cheat? CS:GO That worked out well for them...
Like others have mentioned the big reason I hate Vanguard is the fact that it’s running 100% of the time since system boot, I understand the need for an anti cheat, I really do, I just think companies need to look at alternatives rather than installing malware on everyone’s computer. Look at Genshin Impact, their anti cheat driver was used by malicious actors to disable antivirus and launch payloads to people’s computer, and the game didn’t even need to be installed for this shit to happen. My only saving grace is that if I’m really wanting to play league, I have my old computer which is only 4.5 years old to do this exact thing, all this computer has installed is League, Steam and a web browser, so I can isolate Vanguard as much as possible. To all those people saying, “the government already has access to all your files” or “you already use social media get over it “, you’re an idiot and part of the problem, leave your front door wide open from now on and never lock anything since you have nothing to hide.
There is no alternative. Without kernel level anti-cheat there is no preventing people from cheating. Hackers are willing to go invasive levels, so anti-cheat has to as well. Your choice is either welcoming cheaters in the game, or welcoming kernel level anti-cheat. Most games have kernel level anti-cheat, easy anti-cheat does as well. So there is no difference there. The only one being that Vanguard runs from boot, but you can just turn it off after you booted your PC if you do not intend on playing league.
@@tine1012 Use a different kind of anti-cheat so it's not running 24/7? Only require vanguard for Emerald or higher? Just make the tryhards deal with it since they want a challenge anyway?
@@DJ-fb9cf 1. You can disable the anticheat when you don't plan to play and just restart your PC when you do. 2. Anticheats that only run after the game starts are ineffective, Easy Anti Cheat does this and its easily bypassed even as a Kernel anticheat. 3. Even if the Anticheat is only active in ranked you'd still need to download it, which practically is no different from how people like you complain now.
@@DJ-fb9cf That allows anyone willing to cheat still to cheat. And falls into the category of welcoming cheating into the games. That's an option, but at least acknowledge that is the choice you are making.
I wonder just how many people Riot thinks will leave because of this vs how many actually will. I know a ton of people that didn't play Valorant specifically because of this vanguard crap and that's something that just doesn't show up in statistics. Forcing it into League is foolish and short sighted.
You can actually disable vanguard so it won't start at startup, but another problem came up where you need to restart your pc if you want to play League, honestly if vanguard only run when the game starts like any other anti cheat, it won't be this problematic
I mean if it was off then cheaters would just use a script before turning it on. It sucks that they have this access but it's the only surefire way to block cheaters. If we had a good government they could pass a law making it safer for us though but the US is trash when it comes to tech law
Let's assume that Vanguard functions as advertised. Let's also assume that Riot's security is top notch. Then let's further assume that Tencent has the user's best interests at heart and would never consider spying on them or selling their data to advertisers. Lastly, let's assume that the Chinese Communist Party has no interest in compelling Tencent to acquire user data from abroad. Asuming all of this to be true, it's still an invasive and resource intensive vulnerability for your PC, and cheaters will still find a way around Vanguard.
By Chinese Law it is mandatory to copy and redirect every bit of data they have to the Chinese Communist Party. Tencent and Riot have PAID PARTY OFFICIALS in their own company building which only job is it to overview the data stream to the communist party.... If ever a war between China and any US Ally would occur, these are the PC's which will get hacked first...
I've always looked at Riot Vanguard being on a system as a sign that the game is meant more for professional play than casual play. (Who would risk installing a Kernal-level piece of software who doesn't absolutely need to?), so I think this season, despite all the cool changes to items and the map... I'll probably keep watching LoL Esports, but stop playing League myself.
Many people will risk installing it, I don't think most people realise and care about the potential danger. I just hope Riot will change their minds about using vanguard if people don't want to install it. If they don't then I guess league is over for me too. Honestly, it makes me a little sad but it'd probably be for the best.
"Who would install kernel level". Uh, every gamer on the planet? Do you realize how many games run kernel anticheat? Like 90% of online games, and a solid number of single player games if they have any level of online play. Such as Elden Ring or Doom. If you don't want to install kernel-level anticheat, you might as well quit playing video games entirely.
@@SleepyStreak this kernal anti cheat is on 24/7. thats concerning for lowend computers with limited resources. also: "you might as well quit playing video games entirely." honey please, not every (multiplayer) game has or needs anticheat. the people that don't like games with anticheat will just go play games that don't have it. It might be harder with those who are super competitive, but its not impossible.
@@JDReC100 All kernel anticheats run 24/7 that's the purpose of them. And no, you can't avoid it. Not every multi-player game has it, but most do. And even single player games that have online play attached, use it. Ex: Doom, Assassins Creed, Elden Ring.
@@SleepyStreakNewsflash, not every gamer has played games that have kernel level anticheat. The only games I've ever downloaded with it are CSGO and Paladins, and I almost never play those games and the anticheat only works while the game is running. So I don't have to worry about it running 24/7 in the background.
The worst part of Vanguard for me was only covered in that huge wall'o'text message from Will. Vanguard fucking sucks at being hard/software friendly, I cannot count how many times did I encounter BSOD or drivers dying due to the presence of this goddamn malware. It was the N1 reason why I gave up on Valorant
@@iluvatardis8804 I feel like any general game review for this sort of thing would get rid of cheaters after a game or two. I've played since season 2 and I've only seen 1 person explicitly hacking. On the scale of issues, their matchmaking and MMR systems impact me virtually every game, as opposed to 1 in ~4,000 games for cheating.
You just know that Riot is going to push the numbers of people leaving the game into the number of hackers to make the impact of forcing Vanguard onto the playerbase not seem nearly as bad as it will be. "We have seen a drastic drop off in scripting and bot accounts" meanwhile, only like maybe 5-10% of the number of "scripting and bot" accounts they'll statistically show will actually be scripting and bot accounts, with the other 90-95% being players that left not to deal with Vanguard bs.
@gondoravalon7540 How? By posting on the insular, Riot controlled Reddit? Forums and boards are gone and most of the playerbase is on that reddit or unreachable entirely. They are already more or less autobanning any post with "vanguard" in the title. No, this is simply a nail in the coffin for some. The riot playerbase is startlingly unsympathetic anyway.
@@colenayson Why are you defending the multimillion dollar company, the fact google and social media already have your data doesnt makes any better Tencent wants to install a kernel level threat in your computer for a problem mostly only in high elo; which even if you dont care about your privacy and the fact they get hacked like twice a week, performance problems shoud be a concern, they will kill casual players forcing them to upgrade when league points of sell is literally the ability to be run easily, vanguard isnt even a good anticheat at all, the numbers they provide are heavily sided to support their claims (you clearly not know how statistics work) and causes a lot and i mean A LOT of problems since its so poorly developed, causing driver or OS malfunction even on high spec machines. Vanguard is just so bad and takes resources for no reason by running 100% on the background, not mentioning ofc all the false flags if you are into modding games like gta V in which vanguard for some reason would detect it as a cheat; and guess what? "just open a ticket bro", most of the time they just give bot generated answers or just tell you to fuck off for no reason.
The fact that Riot Games is going to make us use a Vanguard anticheat to play League while also keeping in the League client a memory leak is quite concerning.
"Fair play is vital to any competitive pastime, and League is no exception. While we've always worked to stay ahead of scripters, bots, and bot-leveled accounts, this became particularly challenging after the security breach in early 2023." -Riot Games I sure hope nothing happens in early 2024 💀
@@NoAlias_they already have a shit track record lmao getting all their data leaked, valorant still having so many hackers wtf is the point of us even installing this 24/7 rootkit malware vanguard
Nah nope it's basically saying "It's your PC anyway"; their assurance of nothing happens is as sure as anyone giving insurance / collateral . How about riot giving insurance / collateral no questions asked if it's so safe then? If they can't even give a cent of insurance, that's how trust worthy their software is. *Edit:* For all unbelievers: I ain't a lawyer, pretty sure ToS was just an outlier, if not the likes like Facebook & Tesla shouldn't be in court right? City laws still triumphs like that right to repair against apple. Laws are always an afterthought of malice a.k.a crimes. ToS could only buy them so much time. I mean you can't just write away your basic rights. Riot was already not too good when CCP didn't passed a law requiring CCP governed companies to cooperate with their spying, what's more now? In any case I already uninstalled League and have other hobbies like 3D modelling and Vtubing, I was already not playing that much and only play RGM from time to time and reminisce old memories , not playing League is not the end of the world. The problem was most people think, players who had quit was not on the borderline of quitting already. And they think everyone has an addiction and were just bluffing. They think they are some kind of psychologist playing 5D chess against everyone.
@@leslyschafer1879 That was not my intention, I mean who uses Vanguard? only riot. Companies like Easy Anti-Cheat still has competitors, so they really have to be strict and have integrity, or else Clients would sue them and they'll find other AC companies. Not to mention their parent company is in CCP land which passed a literal law requiring companies to cooperate in their spying(or whatever) campaign. Maybe I should had mentioned that in the first place right?
@@Pigtigo Not too sure, I ain't a lawyer, pretty sure ToS was just an outlier, if not the likes like Facebook & Tesla shouldn't be in court right? City laws still triumphs like that right to repair against apple. Laws are always an afterthought of malice a.k.a crimes. ToS could only buy them so much time. I mean you can't just write away your basic rights. Riot was already not too good when CCP didn't passed a law requiring CCP governed companies to cooperate with their spying, what's more now? In any case I already uninstalled League and have other hobbies like 3D modelling and Vtubing, I was already not playing that much and only play RGM from time to time and reminisce old memories , not playing League is not the end of the world. The problem was most people think, players who had quit was not on the borderline of quitting already. And they think everyone has an addiction and were just bluffing. They think they are some kind of psychologist playing 5D chess against everyone.
The reasons why this is a problem: Riot's been hacked several times before by now. The shady corpo as you've said. Vanguard having firsthand accounts of bricking a PC and vast amounts of evidence of destroying hardware.
I've said this a few times but im gonna voice my voice again. I'm uncomfortable with riot having this level of anticheat since they lack competence of making stuff work and if it will be like anything ingame the chance of breaking the system is medium to high or least that is what it feels like
"Fair play is vital to any competitive pastime, and League is no exception. While we've always worked to stay ahead of scripters, bots, and bot-leveled accounts, this became particularly challenging after the security breach in early 2023." Gee I wonder what will happen in early 2024 💀.
I mean your just wrong. Valorant has substantially less cheaters than CSGO currently does so much so that even the top content creators and pro players will agree with this sentiment. Vanguard is a GODSEND when it comes to anticheats. If you are this insecure about your files then quit league lol
Custom skin community will also be in shambles unless Riot whitelists the programs. They’ve basically destroyed their entire modding community with this
They gave up because if custom skins found a way to bypass Vanguard, so do the hackers. They said that they can't promise anything regarding custom skins. With that said custom skins are out of the question for who knows how long.
From what I heard, the Genshin Impact ransomware thing was MUCH worse. This video left out the part that the ransomware worked even if you NEVER INSTALLED GENSHIN. Their anti-cheat needed to be approved by Microsoft to gain kernel access. Someone was able to forge the certification and apply it to their ransomware. Essentially Microsoft agreed to "install doggy door to their vault" when MiHoYo asked, and bad actors were able to use it as an attack vector.
Aaayyy you went from your 1 supporter on Patreon to 16, congrats! :D And yeah it being on 24/7 is really not a good thing, besides hogging resources if your system can't handle it properly it is also dumb that you have to modify your bios just to use some games that use vanguard
My man, if you don't want your data to be stolen do these 2 things, 1 never use technology 2 they already have acces to all Ur shit BC U used technology.
True many may disagree but I believe they too believe in it cause they won't even give a cent of insurance / collateral xD They would never lose money if it will never happen right?
@@strawhatJ ad hominem really? is that the best you can debate? Your name perfectly suits you. Do you even know what we're talking about kid? StrawhatJ another onepiece weeb with the anime being milked for all eternity.
My partner is a computer programmer. While watching the season 2024 vid that they announced Vanguard on, she was listening along in the background. As soon as "Kernel level" came up she went "Oh hell no!". The more we dug around at what others had been experiencing such as bricking PCs, disabling drives, overclocking, random crashes and one user that got banned for mods they had for a completely unrelated game (the false positives Will mentioned), not to mention Tencent is a sketchy as fuck Chinese state megacorp, we decided, you know what? No! Fuck off with your hackery, we aren't okay with this. My wife ordered me a second hand Mac off eBay and that is what I'll be playing League on from now on. If anyone has around £150 spare and isn't okay with this but still wants to play League, I highly recommend following my example.
But this makes the game more expensive than it is worth honestly. I would only consider this once I buy a new laptop and then factory reset my old one to then play on it. And at this point I'm not even sur eif that will be safe with all the negative messages.
Just have to thank Riot for pushing me to finally quit League and sell my account. I'll have a great three week trip with the money I'll get from the sale. 15 years of League and it's finally over.
Any reasonable person will see this is a ticking time bomb. Has Riot been hacked before? Yes. Has a kernel level anti-cheat do shady stuff in the background happend before? Yes. Is riot connected to a shady entity? Yes
If vanguard wasn't up 24/7 and worked like EAC, I wouldn't mind, but I had troubles when I played Valorant, like my computer acting weird, booting in 3 minutes instead of 10 seconds. Vanguard is a big no for me. And the worst part is, I don't even play League anymore, I just want to play TFT on PC because it's much more comfortable on desktop than on mobile.
It works exactly like EAC. It's on your computer when you startup, collecting data to ensure you're not using cheats, and connects to the servers when the game is open to send that data.
For me personally and many other people, vanguard loves to simply take up 100% of my CPU even if i havent touched it in weeks. Had to quit valorant for that reason, probably league too now
I've never seen a confirmed cheater in any of my games aside from Coop vs. Ai bots in over 10 years of playing League. I can not imagine cheating is a big enough problem where this is necessary. I absolutely do not trust Tencent with this software. I really hate it but if they go through with this but I'm going to have to quit.
Bro, you do realize that he is affiliated with them right? He is a content creator and he is in contact with riot with when he can release skin videos and early champion gameplay videos.
@@strawhatJHe said “good years”. If the years were good in his opinion then it was objectively not a waste. I take it you like to waste your life by trolling comment sections? Yikes.
All I got from the video is that it's a good thing and that people are way too whiny for what it actually is@@fistofram5526 . The problems that do exist, exist for the big minority, in which case its a skill issue.
it's not that people quit because of vanguard, but that vanguard forces us to quit. I would love to continue playing League but I literally wouldn't be able to since my Mainboard (which is only 6 years old) doesn't support TPM 2.0 and Secure Boot.... Had the same issue with Valorant already, I would love to play the game but I'm just not able to. Same with my Girlfriend, she has a gaming laptop and its not compatible...
It’s crazy how many comments here are “this is my concern and why I do not like it” and the responses are just clowns saying things like “why do u care ur personal data is already being used? Who cares about your privacy you already have social medias everything is already out there” it’s wild how much the attitude of people internet has changed so much from the mid 2000’s/early 2010’s where people are actually confused as to why someone would want some kind of privacy
best part about it is how they conflate your data being spied upon to giving full access to your computer to the chinese goverment. It's even more ridiculous
Look dude, we are not gonna boycott vanguard. The reason? There is no other choice. This game has never been so full of bots and scripters. At the higher levels of play this is really unhealthy. Players want competitive integrity.
The issue is not having an anti cheat, it's having a kernel level anti cheat that runs constantly no matter what, especially when the company has had hacking issues lately
If anyone wonder, account leveling to lvl 30 can still work, you just need to pick Yuumi, setup a small macro, that constantly presses W on your ally, and maybe use your E ability sometimes too. There's not too much risk for ban, since you are using the same program that controls your mouse (Razer Synapse or Logitech's G-HUB or etc.), it can't really be detected as a cheat software.
actually this brings up another problem with Vanguard because some mouse and keyboard software due end being flagged with some valorant getting banned for using these software.
Yeah instead of being banned for cheating you're just gonna get banned for Botting. Also you can't set up something this advanced like auto targeting your ally and stuff in those programs.
Good video. But it's a charade calling Vanguard just a Kernel level Anti-Cheat that runs 24/7. Compared to other Anti-Cheats it's very likely that an exploit can be used get unwanted access to your machine/network. Compare it to someone stealing your money while you are shopping vs someone being able to steal your money anytime anywhere. I wouldn't trust a company that already got their source codes leaked to not have possible exploits in their Anti-Cheat. Also having such a tool run constantly is more of a sign of incompetency rather than a good decision on Riots part.
Like majority of the player base, I have played League for decades, from when I was in school to now a working adult with my own family. I'm not going through all the hassle for a game that is already a waste of time unless I'm playing with my buddies. Solving the cheater and hacker issue with Vanguard is the same as giving your house permanent access to police just because there are thieves in the neighborhood. Majority of League players are working adults, Riot ain't fooling anyone with their Vanguard explanation especially when there at IT folks playing the game. Anyone with basic knowledge in IT knows how much control you're giving to any software with kernel mode access. Ain't nobody got time to build a burner computer with only League installed. It's a bitter sweet moment for me since it's been majority of me and my friends' gaming lives, from Team Ranked to Ranked Flex, but honestly we'll stop caring in a week or 2 after quitting once we find a game we can play together as 5 again. Gfys Riot
"We've tried to be very careful with the security of the driver. We've had multiple external security research teams review it for flaws (we don't want to accidentally decrease the security of the computer like other anti-cheat drivers have done in the past). We're also following a least-privilege approach to the driver where the driver component does as little as possible preferring to let the non-driver component do the majority of work (also the non-driver component doesn't run unless the game is running). The Vanguard driver does not collect or send any information about your computer back to us. Any cheat detection scans will be run by the non-driver component only when the game is running. The Vanguard driver can be uninstalled at any time (it'll be "Riot Vanguard" in Add/Remove programs) and the driver component does not collect any information from your computer or communicate over the network at all." Source: www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/fzxdl7/comment/fn6yqbe/?
You demonize kernel access as being such an extreme thing, but the list of games that use Kernel access anti-cheat nowadays is actually huge. Its just necessary to have any meaningful chance agaisnt hackers and scripters.
gonna quit the moment that malware is on... i stopped playing valorant because of vanguard, it acts as a malware if break your apps and pc like a malware it smells like a malware this is freakin dogshit ...just no never again...
I think I'm just gonna wait and see what happens with this whole Vanguard issue. The fact that it runs 24/7 is very concerning to me. I'll watch from the sides and see what happens to LoL after Vanguard arrives. Hoping it's not that bad or Riot deicides to use something different. I really am tired of scripters and bots I get in my games, heck I don't play rank yet I see them in normals and sometimes aram games. But I also don't want my PC to explode just to play one game.
If you can detect someone is cheating with you naked eyes, a machine could instantly get it. It just needs a bit of statistics aligned with matrices and things like that. Get the outliers, hire someone to check them and problem solved
@@paulojose7568 You are right, and wrong at the same time. No one can detect scripters or cheaters with the naked eye unless its REALLY blatant. Meaning, most (if not all) those "hackers" and "scripters" people are talking about, are either, truly scripters that are so stpidly blatant (and those get banned pretty much instantly), or just better than them and people cannot cope so they go "its full of scripters!!!!!" just because they dont know how to dodge a skillshot.
yeah... I had far too many issues with vanguard causing some applications to not run correctly. Like I might play another online game and it'd attack the anti-cheat for that game, stopping me from playing it until I force close Vanguard, or sometimes it just sees other games as being cheating software(Star Rail has been repeatedly flagged by vanguard for me) or even sometimes it's disabled the driver for my wifi adapter... So yeah, when it's in? I'm out.
Manually installing a Rootkit created by a Chinese owned company to play LoL? I don't see this being popular with many users. But i reckon a vast majority of players will just install it anyway.
Vanguard is shit, there's so many anticheats that don't require to be on at all times. It already ruined my pc once by glitching out and booting multiple times on start of the pc and I had to restart it whole.
he's not making shit up xD he's got a valid point vanguard causes so many issues especially when trying to boot up the game I have never played a game except Valorant that needs me to get into Bios to even play it @@mahmutweeb
yep it is actually super buggy and glitchy, I dont know if they fixed it yet but like 2 years ago when i installed valorant, vanguard completely took over my pc controls and wouldnt let me change my fan speed or overclock/undervolt my pc.
It is a huge issue because tencent is a Chinese company, bound by chinese law. If the Chinese government says "give us access" guess who gets access. There is NO reason why vaguard cant run just like the others, where it launches when a game launches. Having to reboot your PC if you close vanguard is absolutely clownish.
So do i rather have anti cheat so to play the game with the hopes to eliminate bots and cheaters at the cost of exposing myself to a guaranteed history of ransomwares, pc slowing down, driver problems and privacy issues that can really affect my personal and work documents in real life; or play a game with some cheaters that is after all for me just a game? bye bye league
I absolutely hate this, it kept me away from playing valorant and now if this is added on league I'll quit riot games for good. I don't want to restart my PC every single time I have to do something else that vanguard wants to block for literal no reason.
its such a shame i hope i can still somehow play it without vanguard since i´m addicted to league but have private photos and use my pc for online banking and i dont trust the ccp with my data
Based and cool Ryscu. I think a lot of positives are moot becahse they are strictly for ranked and competitive players while a majority of Riot Games’ audience is casual, but it will still have an affect.
Computer safety 101 is to only download things you trust. Riot could’ve bricked your PC if they wanted to long before you even thought about installing Vanguard. If you don’t trust Riot to install Vanguard, then you should have never installed anything from Riot at all. And by the same token, you shouldn’t ever have installed any game that uses Battleye or EasyAntiCheat.
@@strawhatJ I've played thousands of games on my account in draft pick alone and I cannot think of a single time I've seen someone and thought he had to be scripting, it just isn't a problem outside of ranked. The bot account are definitely a problem in bot games but those can easily be found using other means, riot just doesn't care enough to stop the botting problem.
man people really saying "privacy? pfff the govt already spies on you", even if that's true, privacy is a scale meaning you can have more or less privacy not just having it or not, also the privacy is the least of my concerns regarding vanguard if you watch the video you will know what happened with genshin's kernel level anticheat...
i'd rather play cs2 and run into a cheater half the matches i play, than sacrifice my privacy and open a huge door for viruses, backdoors and other malware
Pretty sure it is not as big of a risk as people claim. "We've tried to be very careful with the security of the driver. We've had multiple external security research teams review it for flaws (we don't want to accidentally decrease the security of the computer like other anti-cheat drivers have done in the past). We're also following a least-privilege approach to the driver where the driver component does as little as possible preferring to let the non-driver component do the majority of work (also the non-driver component doesn't run unless the game is running). The Vanguard driver does not collect or send any information about your computer back to us. Any cheat detection scans will be run by the non-driver component only when the game is running. The Vanguard driver can be uninstalled at any time (it'll be "Riot Vanguard" in Add/Remove programs) and the driver component does not collect any information from your computer or communicate over the network at all." Source: Riot (www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/fzxdl7/comment/fn6yqbe/?)
The reason i and some others dont like it, is that a good amount of us is that personal information on the pc cause we usually only have one device we do all our work or gaming on(i play most games on a Xbox. League and Minecraft are the only games now i play on pc). Also (this is just my experience with vanguard on valorant) it had some issues with emulators which i use for school (computer science student). Android studio just couldnt run emulators anymore with it. I dont know if the device was old or something but after the restart, the emulator part just wouldnt work.
Some have work and League all in one PC; and the PC has sensitive company files, well Riot themselves aren't giving insurance / collateral there won't be any spying. If they can't guarantee that other than "just trust us with our propriety software" then that's a deal breaker.
Yeah 24/7 is a no go, I got a blue screen once on my old laptop that brought up vanguard had stopped working as the cause of the crash. If I have the pic, somewhere in my library, I’d love to show it.
i've been playing league since 2011, well over 10k games, peaked 183 lp master, and i've completely wiped riot and league from my pc because of vanguard and i will never play again unless riot finds a better solution. kernel level access, running from boot, riot is owned 100% by a chinese company, all for a game that has virtually no cheaters. it seems that cheating may be an issue in challenger, a rank with only 300 or so players, which is so small that riot could probably have actual humans deal with it, but outside of challenger cheating is basically nonexistent in league and everyone knows it. as for botting smurfs, the cat is out of the bag on that one, an incalculable amount of bots have already been created and sold, stopping future botting does little to solve that problem. why does a chinese company want the most invasive access to your pc they could possibly have when the game has virtually no cheaters? the fact that this is being implemented when there's no need for it is extremely suspicious. no way i'm letting something like that on my pc. in my opinion if you allow vanguard on your pc you're either ignorant about how bad it is or you don't really care at all about keeping your pc safe. Bottom line - This is the single most invasive and dangerous anti cheat of any game due it running from boot and league has basically no need for it. if you care at all about keeping your pc safe, do not let vanguard touch it.
Can't wait for half my friend to be unable to play league because of Vanguard fucking around with drivers and impacting performance in general. Some of my friends' pc's already struggle in teamfights, one of them straight up crashes in Project Mordekaiser's ult, so if they have to fuck around with Bios and shit or upgrade their PC for league of all games they sure as hell won't. And if my friends won't be playing league, I won't be either because the only reason I play is because of them. I also can't wait for Vanguard to detect one of my random ass emulators that allows me to play old obscure games as "cheating software", which does not even run in the background during league, to get detected and get hardware banned off of it kekw.
Some people are going to be real mad once vanguard kicks in because their computer won't be able to play the game. If you think about it League has the most to suffer from this because it is a 2011 dx9 game that can run on your grandma's toaster and people were using potatoes to run it. Now all of those guys are getting booted out and probably not coming back soon.
Something not mentioned here is the slippery slope riot has made into a mundane expectation. It is a huge deal expecting your users to just give up complete access to your machine, and passing it off as nothing like this makes me wonder if they will do any other changes in the future with no say from its player base (who is very obviously against it). Sticking with a company who has no issue ignoring their player base and giving that company money to actively make your pc less secure just does not make sense to me.
Something has felt off about LoL since Seraphine's release in 2020 and now with Vanguards it's becoming more blatant and undeniable than ever. Riot games is fishy. Back to Mario Galaxy
So, before the anti cheat, my 3090 couldnt handle the vsync at 120hz (with random fps drops) now what? I will play with 20 fps? Best indie company ever.
They are making it way too complicated for a good amount of people to play the game with having to go into bios and implement things. That in itself will reduce people for them being 1: Lazy. 2: Not so Tech savy / Confused. 3: Afraid. So overall this will effect a good amount of players to be honest and they will most likely never touch it again. Hope they realize this and don't push it through.
I don't think people are against this becuase they are "lazy, not so tech savy and afraid". Just tired of corporations overstepping their boundaries. Say no to being the consumer-worker
You do realize, this is going to be less than .001% of the players, correct? Unless you're running some extremely old/outdated cracked version of windows, you aren't going to have to mess with the BIOS at all on windows 10/11, especially since win11 requires it now anyway.
@@formaltaliti You do realize that it's going to be more than 0.001% of players correct? Most people don't like their privacy being removed just because Riot doesn't want to A) remake the game with a better anti-cheat in mind and B) Make actual decent decisions that don't involve forcing the skin department to make more skins.
@@formaltaliti clueless, most of the league player base is from 3rd world country my guy which means a bigger portion is not running windows 11(internet cafes)
I don't understand people who call out everyone who is against it cheaters or scripters. Ive been playing 10 years, buying skins, not even cheater once, not playing rankeds. This is about level of access youre going to give them, i dont trust it and i dont support it. Plus i use Linux now so bye😅 sad it had to happen this way 💁🏻♀️
while i know that ranked is a big selling point of the game , i dont understand why is this much of a security flaw is forced on everyone and not only on those who are affected the most by it , eg: high elo players just let me chose to not play ranked and not install vanguard , boom , problem solved , everytime a company forces its entire playerbase to a change is ALWAYS done in bad faith
because riot did not want to solve this issue. For the past 7 years high elo has been "plagued" by wintraders, scripters and griefers, player propsed answer to the problem was very basic just have "admins" capable of observing high elo games. You only really need them in masters - gm +, it would cost peanuts, and provide a sensible solution. But riot didnt want to address the chinese wintrader problem in NA, because that would look bad. Instead of focusing on people soft-griefing or just running it down in high elo, riot cracked down on "bad words", because bad words make them look bad. And when scripting became more prelevant within the last 2-3 years, riot didn't want to introduce people to oversee high elo games, instead use it as a perfect opportunity to install a backdoor into 150 million devices.
@@vyyr yeah , not wanting to look bad is a staple of chinese companies , gotta wonder why riot is doing the same 🤔 still , im uninstalling it if its mandatoy , its about time i guess.
Thanks for a calm, reasonable approach to the topic of "well, other games do it as well". I know it's true, but aside from the fact that Vanguard is the only one of these tools to be ALWAYS running, this is my #1 reason why League was the ONLY online game I'd play in many, many years - seriously, the other ones I can list are such relics like Unreal Tournament 1 or Worms Armageddon. It's terrifying to see how things become the norm pretty much ONLY by the means of no choice. Anyway, I'll be keeping a close eye on how this plays out - right now I have LoL uninstalled just to be safe, but I'm actually willing to compromise if Riot at least modifies Vanguard to be strictly tied to opening and shutting down the game. And by this I mean the GAME, not the client. Though I probably won't be able to play anyway since I don't want to upgrade my Windows 10 to 11.
@@wnsjimbo2863 Not wanting to take needless steps (and putting the onus on the user for not wanting to put up with a thing the company could have avoided imposing on us) isn't lazy, what a stupid statement.
When it was announced this was coming I uninstalled league immediately. I’ve played since season 3 and it’s crazy that this is what got me to kick league to the curb. I refuse to play any game that has a kernel level install.
You do know all your data is already being used and sold right ? What does it matter we all have personalised ads, they are even listening to every word you say, and AI is ruining it even further. You have 0 idea how fucked humanity is concerning our private data.
More than just Vanguard is kernel level: EasyAntiCheat, PunkBuster, BattlEye, nProtect GameGuard, Xigncode3, EQU8, Activision’s Ricochet, Electronic Arts’ EA AntiCheat, and Blizzard’s Defense Matrix are all Kernel Level as well. Also for atleast PunkBuster, I believe that (used for Battlefield titles and more) run partly on startup. (had 2 services, only A ran on startup)
@@gladiatorgamer9502not play them? There’s already a lot of games that use kernel level stuff and I just don’t play them, and if you were smart you wouldn’t either. The risk isn’t worth whatever fun the game has
The question I have is, will YOU keep playing leage and download Vanguard after their source code (and TFT's source code) was hacked last January as reported by Riot?
selling league account with all skins +2 pax skins, my issue isn`t with what access it has, my issue is it running 24/7 and having to restart my pc to relaunch league. i am not going to close all my 3d software to play 1 game of league... and i cant afford a 20k USD pc for it to not effect my 3d modeling. i need to close everything when i am working with millions of polygons. so gonna sell my league acc and just not play league anymore. oh well was fun while it lasted. unless they make it so it closes when i close league i am not bothering with this game anymore
1. Riot games got hacked last year. 2. Riot games does not know how to code (just look at the client or Viego) 3. I'm not buying a different PC and a router just for this. Safe to say I'm quitting league. Goodbye my friends ~ Arch user btw.
@@kolliwanne964 Good choice! If I wasn't on Linux I would have done the same. I guess I'll be able to play few more before it breaks. After that I'm gonna try to create a perfectly hidden VM, that can run vanguard, but I'll probably fail :D
@@morosov4595 Any Windows VM wont work. Maybe a Mac would actually do the trick tho, because for some reason Riot deems it "more secure" so it doesnt need Vanguard to begin with. (aka we dont want to lose our entire Mac playerbase and we are too fucking incompetend to code it for MacOS)
@@morosov4595Actually i am not even sure anymore if a VM doesnt work at all, i have seen that some have done some shenanigans to circumvent it...but this is really not my expertise
Its cool that riot now blocks me behind the paywall of "just by a tpm module or a new motherboard 4head!" like f you riot. you cant seriously boot players of your platform for not having the most modern hardware when other working anti cheats wont need this tpm crap. thanks for that (>ლ)
It's the reason I'm quitting and my whole playgroup is behind me, and I was the most active even in solo play. I kind of hope they backtrack because I really like LoL, but I won't play while vanguard is active.
If they add Vanguard I'll just be quitting, I'm not allowing a 24/7 program I can't turn off (if I want to play the game) run on my PC scanning any program I run. They're not even going to make it required for Mac or Linux, so what's the point. My computers autonomy & my privacy is not up for forfeit, Riot. I'll be looking into a forced bank refund for skins I've bought in the last 12 months since they're effectively locking me out of my account via planned obsolescence.
disabling vanguard when not playing and then restarting the pc to play is one of the reason i don't play valorant. it wouldn't matter if it didn't need the restart.
I think their best course of action would be an anti cheat system that is NOT kernel lvl. Sure, it might not be AS effective but it will probably be much better than what we have now and it wouldn't be nearly as scary for us players. I really hesitate installing vanguard as well.
Vanguard won't help with scripters at all, they will be back in like a month, if not even quicker. As an Anti-cheat it is ineffective at best, so integrating it into League is just another security concern and just that.
Not to mention dedicated cheaters would just buy DMA card/hardware cheats. It's like Denuvo all over again, pirates are not affected but their genuine honest customers are suffering for their security/anti-piracy measures xD go youtube that term
One of my main concerns is that I use parsec to play league on a remote PC... Parsec uses a virtual mouse and it works great. Vanguard goes out of its way to explicitly deny access to this virtual mouse. Using keyboard, etc works fine. I have created numerous tickets about this with Valorant and Riot refuses to do anything about it.... can't wait to be unable to play league now.
bro if it is running 24/7 it is affecting performance. Doesnt matter if it is a virus since if something like that is discovered riot is prb getting sued for a lot so they most likely wont do it. Some pcs dont run with 32 gigs ddr5, rtx30XX-rtx40XX and a 12th gen cpus. Also about privacy conserns: if they wanted to be transparent they could: a) open source the programm (although Im pretty sure that would defeat its purpose) b) allow it to run on VMs (really I dont see an issue with that). I dont care about privacy since microsoft, google and the rest of the big boys got everything on me already, but destroying my pc performance 24/7, costing more in electricity and harming further the environment is a deal breaker for me. Riot you game is good, but it aint THAT good.
Actions speak louder than words, if they are true to their words, they should give insurance / collateral if it really will not do anything. But no one even wants to give a cent of insurance / collateral xD Not playing League isn't the end of the world 🤣
They have a bug bounty (up to 100k) for anyone who finds exploit... Yes, making anti-cheat open source would defeat it's purpose. When you run games in VM it's easier to cheat, many games don't let you play on VM (r6s, genshin, tarkov...)
this would not be as bad if it was not on 24/7 and if riot wasnt hacked multiple times by now
yeah, idk why is 24/7 tho? when you aren't playing why is still monitorizing my PC? and if I wanted a chinese spyware I would instal genchin impact
@@fernandogonzalez6759 You genuinely dont know? Because it makes scripting/hacking way more difficult. If it only starts when playing the game, it will only scan when the game is running and scripter could do anything they want before they launch the game. Which means way more freedom for scripters to do stuff.
No, it would be just as bad. If it can hack everything you have, but only 1hr a day, does it make it better?
@@sinistressdreams7243 You're completely wrong lol stop talking out of your ass. By that logic I can just set up a fresh windows install, go crazy installing a million scripts or hacks and only then install league or valorant. Seems like a pretty easy exploit dont you think?
@@sinistressdreams7243 and for that I have to permit a chinese company to have access to my PC 24/7 even when my PC isn't running their game AAAAAAAND when vanguard is a joke? were the valorant pros CHEATED ON FUKING STAGE?
yeah I'm honestly thankful for riot taking away my ability to play the game, perfect opportunity
why because ur a scripter?
@@mahmutweebLinux user probably
@@mahmutweeb Stick up your butt much? Anyone who uses Linux is borked.
@@mahmutweeb Safe yourself your stupid comments. Vanguard is completely incompatible with linux. And also incompatible with a lot of virtualization technologies which are often needed if you do IT stuff and can only be disabled through bios changes and a reboot. Also lets not forget the enormous list of software which gets falsely identified as cheating software by Vanguard, as well as many well-justified privacy concerns because of their always-on approach.
Vanguard makes the game simply inaccessible or a hassle to deal with for a lot of users, even independent of their operating system.
deserved for using linux honestly
I'm a Linux user and this really sucks. Riot stated multiple times that they were aware that around 4% of their players ran Linux and even though they did not support it (the project is entirely community driven), they did not mean to shut it down. The vanguard announcement just came out of the blue and the fact that on Mac is not even required (purely out of lazyness of recreating vanguard from scratch to work in unix systems) just adds salt to injury. Needless to say, I'm not going to forfeit my privacy and freedom for a game
Riot singlehandedly increased the size of Mac users 📈
Soooo a mac vm it is ?
@@NoAlias_ Some guys managed to run lol in windows vm when 13.23 patch broke wine with gpu and hw passthrough so it could be, theoretically speaking, possible to run it on a Mac vm. Obviously performances will be terribile though on average PCs
you can dual boot is not that hard
I know but not a option for me since the pc needs to run 24/7
6:11 What Will said about Riot having access to enabling and disabling drivers is very true and has affected me I played Valorant when it came out. For some reason, vanguard was disabling my network adapter one day and I couldn't do anything but to uninstall Vanguard to fix this issue(even simply disabling Vanguard after every boot up did not fix this)
Yikes thats scary
Yo I had that exact issue and could never figure out why. My NIC stopped working, but I could still connect via ethernet on the motherboard. The driver was deleted and would not reinstall. Uninstalled Valorant and Vanguard, and it let me get the driver and it started working again.
Yeah if it mess up with drivers f that
Same issue for me, i tried playing valorant after like a year of quiting cs:go and i couldnt even play, everytime i launched my pc while having vanguard my mouse would barely work or just straight up die, had to delete vanguard and it worked perfectly. Time to quit LoL
Vanguard breaks my PC too. My fan control and temperature monitoring doesn't work.
I can't wait to see the reactions when Riot announces Vanguard will also be in the MMO.
Lol it would be so fun to watch
Dead on arrival on me dwag
Wouldn't be fucking funny if vanguard got triggered in this year LCS
Easy one: There are so many games on the market I don't need Riots games
they'll play like everyone else, and will give cope excuses when asked about "but i thought vanguard was too much?"
Well, cheat in an MMORPG is quite different, it's generally currency glitches and such, which don't need vanguard to check, tbf.
The Problem with Vanguard over something like EAC (Easy Anti-Cheat) is that EAC only is active while the game is running. With Vanguard, it always being on, even when not playing the game, is an issue. Also, if you Disable Vanguard, you have to completely reboot your PC for Vanguard to relaunch and to access LoL. I really think this'll be an issue for a lot of people, given how most people like their privacy and....you know...Riot being hacked last year a few times isn't exactly a vote of confidence for this kind of thing being put into a person's computer, given their own security problems.
privacy? as if the govt cares about ur porn files.
People doesnt like their privacy. That's why every device has some social media appp. People just love to take the high road in preaching privacy and security
Yeah that would be annoying, some people want to cut down on CPU usage while doing other things, not being able to casually turn on and off vanguard without a reboot is gonna be crappy.
Them being hacked does not equate to vanguard being taken over. That's not really how hacking works. The only way for that to happen would be for multiple people at riot to circumvent the company to target data gathering at its users and they would have to hide it from others in the company. Your data isn't being stored so a hack couldn't steal it.
@@mahmutweeb Personal informations for Ads, Scammers , Hackers and censorship to control what you said and is it in the line with the State. Not to mention all the other security risk since There can be works emails on your computer, Your Bank account info, Your Safety code for your other things.
Riot literally had a security breach earlier, and now they want to install a 24/7 Rootkit on your PC. Its like giving your House Keys to any random on the street and letting them know where you live.
And you probably have already done this with a ton of different anti cheats used in other games without knowing lol
@@Alatreon22 Even if they did, doesn't mean that it's wrong to not want to pile on even more onto the heap.
@@Alatreon22 I don't play a single one of those games shown with kernel anti cheat
@@taylesz Doubt, there are a lot of popular anti cheats with kernel access.
@Pinat885 okay, didn't know you knew more about my life and activities than I did, sorry!
I personally don’t overly care about the vanguard BUT my friends care a lot about installing vanguard. I only play league with my friends and have lost interest playing solo. This will seriously kill their player base if there are a lot of friend groups that play like mine
yep, not isolated case
Most people will probably forget about it in a few month. The fact that valorant is popular with vanguard means most users don't care. It will be like every other riot drama.
valorant came with vanguard which is the reason many people including me didnt care about valorant but lol is gonna loose the current playerbase it has valorant cant loose something they never had.@@timercolen1586
@@timercolen1586 Somewhat, but you're delusional if you think not many people won't care about having a fucking CHINESE company spying on their shit.
no, people in the valorant community still complain about vanguard, some people can't even uninstall it without formatting their pc lmao @@timercolen1586
I don’t trust riot enough for this…
Then you shouldn’t have ever installed League in the first place. Computer safety 101 is to never download anything from a source you don’t trust. Riot, if they held malicious intent, could’ve bricked your PC long before they even thought about mandating Vanguard.
@@andrew_h6 Bruh don't be lazy and actually use your head. If they want to steal data they won't act "out loud". They wouldn't brick your pc. They would be there. 24/7. in the background. Having access to ANYTHING. While also self declaring as just for your safety. This is what someone who wants your data would do, not "brick your system" lol. Now if they actually want to do that, we CAN'T know
Kernel level programs work completely differently than base level software. It gives the program the highest credentials. It could literally pull all info from your machine. Especially if it runs 24/7. And it’s not trusting them not to do something. It’s trusting them to prevent someone else from doing it
@@paulojose7568 If you don’t trust Riot with data then you shouldn’t install or use any of their services. Just because this one has higher privilege doesn’t mean that it is significantly riskier. A program does not need kernel-level access to do the things you fear Vanguard will do.
You’re buying into fearmongering
@@bygonehope6158 I know that kernel level programs are given 0th level access. But that doesn’t change the fact that it’s not inherently more dangerous than 1st-3rd level access. Cybersecurity for a consumer is about trust, and if you do not trust a company (which is fine), you shouldn’t install any of their services. Like I said, it doesn’t take 0th level access to get your information or brick your pc.
I actually think that the TPM 2.0 requirement will alienate even more players than Vanguard itself. One big advantage of LoL was always that basically every toaster could run it, often even with outdated operating systems. The hardcore playerbase will on average have more modern and powerful PCs, but the casual players (which are actually the majority, most don't even play ranked) are more likely to use some old Office PC from the early 2010s. They all either need to upgrade, or stop playing league.
But then again, security gets more and more important these days. The attacks to compromise a system are getting more sophisticated each day and the damage which can be done is also rising from day to day. Its just the flow of time. We get more and more connected each day which makes us also more vulnerable. To tackle this problem the security has also to get tighter. An old PC´s and especially Software are a weak spot. So yeah, you either go with the flow of time or get left behind. It was always this way and will be. Look at old people with IT Stuff. They are a prime target for criminals since they dont know anything about it and are easy to deceive
Unfortunately Ryscu didn't really put it into the right context and that's why its a bit misleading.
The Windows users that are affected by TMP 2.0 are ONLY Windows 11 users and to install Windows 11 you do need TMP 2.0 anyway.
Windows 10 users are NOT affected by this as of now.
So even with your 2010 office PC you should in theory be able to run League as good as before.
I would love to continue playing League but I literally wouldn't be able to since my Mainboard (which is only 6 years old) doesn't support TPM 2.0 and Secure Boot....
Had the same issue with Valorant already, I would love to play the game but I'm just not able to.
Same with my Girlfriend, she has a gaming laptop and its not compatible...
One of my friends would be able to play Valorant, but he just doesn't want to go into his Bios and change one setting.
As soon as you are required to do something "complicated" other than just creating an Account and installing the game, many of my friends just dump the game.
The same will happen with league, he wont continue playing the game after the Anticheat will be implemented, same with me.
@@Alatreon22 No that is wrong. I am on Windows 10 and I am required to have TPM 2.0 enabled. I have seen several other people on Windows 10 complaining about the same issue. It seems like that depending on your System, if something looks suspicious somehow or your Account gets flagged, you are also required to enable TPM 2.0 on Windows 10 too and they already announced that TPM 2.0 will also be a requirement on Windows 10 within the next few months.
@@FMCoding
Can you link or tell me where they said it will become a requirement?
TMP 2.0 is certainly not a requirement right now, unless you may be using a very old version of Windows 10 that is so old not even Microsoft supports it anymore.
Then they probably also put you under TMP 2.0 requirement but that's on you in this case.
If that's not the case, the only thing you actually had to do was disable "Virtualization-based security" and you were good to go which is something that can be done within Windows in a few seconds.
I can still play Valorant just fine and don't have TMP 2.0 activated, my motherboard doesn't even support it.
I love how Riot went from, "hackers and scripters are so rare, its not a problem!" to "We need access to everything in your PC at a level not even your protection does because this is such a big problem".
I dunno. Seems kind of extreme? Instead of just building better serverside software to catch hackers/scripters, they'd rather just put a potential ticking timebomb on everyone's PC and alienate large portions who no longer can/want to play it.
You know how many games use Vanguard?
The only game that uses Vanguard currently is Valorant, soon to include League of Legends.
@@LeTim013 There's only one game that uses Vanguard and that's Valorant, cybersecurity experts openly called it a rootkit btw. Idk what you're even trying to imply, but the only thing you did is expose that you're stupid.
@@LeTim0132
Serverside software cannot deal with modern day scripter and hackers. So much so, that Kernel level anti-cheat has become the norm for a LOT of games. They are just not as open about it as riot it being.
There's also another issue that you probably don't know is that vanguard also messes up your pc performance,
even when you are not playing, just when you use your pc on a regular basis, the vanguard eats everything up,
i had a new pc just 3 months and when i played valorant, i noticed my pc was running slowly, and it turns out it was the vanguard's fault,
even making my pc froze into bluescreen,
so when hearing they are gonna force this app into league, i just immediately uninstalled it, because i play LoL casually and have fun
not deter my PC for the sake of it.
These guys haven't fixed 5+ year old bugs, are constantly letting new bugs make it to live servers, have been getting hacked, and have already had source code stolen. Now they want us to give kernel level access to their proprietary anti cheat that runs 24/7. If they can't even avoid/fix bugs in their game what's stopping them from having the same issues with their anticheat?
I'm sad to go, but I think this will be my nail-in-the-coffin for League. 9 years and a run to Grandmaster makes for some good memories. Only way I see myself coming back to this game is if I eventually upgrade my PC and use my old one strictly as a League machine, but even then, I worry that a vulnerability that grants access to your PC has the potential to grant access to your network devices as well... and even if not, it's sort of ridiculous to have a PC just for League.
Guess this is it. I'll miss this game.
So you now quit gaming entirely since basically every concern you mentioned here can already happen with ANY anti cheat that runs on kernel level and those are the ones used in the far majority of online games :D
@@Alatreon22 Presumptuous. I play pretty much exclusively League. Anything else I play is offline, or, on the rare occasion I play Minecraft with the boys, doesn't require anticheat. Not everyone plays a bunch of triple A games.
@@VenerabIe
Then you are one of the few that may not have those kind of anti cheats already installed but this is more the exception and not the norm.
@@Alatreon22i don't have any of these anticheats too. I'm going to quit league if they will require Vanguard for it.
@@Alatreon22 i just play LOL / LOR and minecraft too
Ah yes. I feel could confident in letting a faceless company gain completely access to my files, especially after their hack last year. Such a confidence booster.
I sure hope nothing happens this early 2024 💀
faceless?
ur using YT bud
@@Sinzari Tencent
@@sugar4936 youtube doesn't have kernel access, can read all my files, and is running 24/7 regardless of whether I am using the app.
Thank you for covering this issue. One important thing missing is the difference between what Vanguard promises to do (trust me, bros) versus what it will have the ability to do. The access is much more massive than anything else. You severely underestimated it in this video.
Long version:
Level 1. If your system is compromised by a virus, it is still restricted, it can access shared and current user's files, do internet calls. Basically calln leak photos of your personal documents or encrypt them for ransom.
Level 2: If a virus also uses a privilege escalation, it would be able to do it for all users, gp to encrypted and protected folders (vaults, other users). It can now also access your devices like camera and keyboard (reading your passwords and credit vard data as you type). It can also read memory of userspace (inkl admin) processes (so, get your saved passwords, current credentials)
Level 3. If a virus can additionally compromise your OS, it can brick your hardware and can access the hardware more sneakily (like without camera lamp turning on). And it now has access to driver memory (so can leak your hardware authentication keys).
So Vanguard immediately starts at level 3. And despite it promises to not touch anything, it will have access to do all of it. Now imagine if either Tencent needing something from you, or hackers hacking it like this year.
yeah I am really hesitating to download this shit. I think Riot's best course of action would be an anti-cheat that is NOT kernel level. Even if it's not as a effective I imagine it will still help a lot and it would be much more easily accepted from us users.
We will totally not use your computer in a chinese goverment funded botnet. We promise teehee.
Meanwhile half of "smart" home appliences having obscene ammount of network traffic for no reason.
Hackers hacking it wouldn't be able to affect anything though, unless they manage to change the code in Riot's own repos and then Riot ships it without noticing the change at all, which is nigh impossible.
They've launched patches without properly implementing balance changes before. You think they won't fuck this up too?@@Sinzari
I don't get it, literally nobody cares about your guys' lives lmao
Dear Riot,
Since cheating is such a big scandal in competitive that you are willing to out a chunk of the player base, how about you just make vanguard a requirement for competitive only? Sweats get their favorite excuse for losing taken away and the 90% of the player base that doesn't play ranked doesn't have to download your Chinese malware.
agreed ,, idont even play ranked
That would be the best compromise in my opinion.
Could be even required for Emerald+
its not about competitive, its about scripters in high elo in general
Not to mention League's source code also got hacked last year??? Goodluck having people trust this.
So, my biggest issue with Vanguard is not Riot doing dodgy shit, because monetarily if they get caught, they'll lose more than they'll gain (and some serious arrest warrants on all of the people working there) but because if any exploit is found in a 24/7 running kernel rootkit, essentially any hacker that pushes a 0-day can affect millions of players and infect them. The probably is super low, but I don't want to risk it. At least other games have it run while they are running, this is a time ticking bomb.
This is by far the most sensible response I've seen from the playerbase. Thank you for critically thinking.
It's low-risk but it isn't no-risk. And in the small case a breach happens it would be devastating.
@@nixsnowsong6732 yeah, I used to have Vanguard when I played Valorant at launch, I haven't considered it backed in the day and wasn't so conscious about it. After the breach however, I'm not so sure about it. The fact that their solution was to drop in Vanguard on League, when a lot of its community plays on hardware which does not support TPM 2.0 as a quick way to fix the scripter problem that has been on the rise, says something about how willing they are to keep their original user base.
Whatever happens, it's been a good journey, it's time to move on from this game.
A lot of people think this, but the reality is that Vanguard can't be exploited to hack a computer by itself, it's not possible. What it CAN do if an exploit or vulnerability is found, is allow a virus to gain more access to your computer than it would've otherwise had, but you would have to have downloaded the virus yourself in the first place.
@@Sinzari oh yeah, definitely. It's just that sometimes you wouldn't know that it was malicious until too late. Either that or do a double exploit.
Yeah, Riot wouldn't completely destroy your computer themselves, its not worth it.
My biggest gripe with Vanguard is that it made my pc act weird, then I uninstalled Valorant and Vanguard and it went back to normal
Yeah, that's gonna be my issue too. Vanguard is kinda resource hungry and this also effects performance when you quit league and play other games. I'm probably just uninstalling league tbh
no you won't, you'll be back@@demonkingrigaldo-2456
You can close Vanguard completely through the task manager. This forces you to restart your PC whenever you want to play league, but it is certainly possible to not be affected by Vanguard. So it won't eat your resources, and most likely won't cause problems for your PC, especially while closed.
Please go into more detail, too many people are ignoring this kind of information.
Vanguard literally fucking BRICKED my PC. BRICKED. I says.
I'm scared to install this.
Know what would also do away with scripters? Server side anticheat. The same method with AI but on server side that monitors your play style so it can tell when you begin acting abnormally. This has already been used in games like Runescape to detect account sharing, bot accounts, and people selling runescape accounts. And its pretty effecting over there without being this invasive.
Selling accounts and scripting is a completely different thing. You know what other game has their server side ai anti-cheat? CS:GO That worked out well for them...
@@leslyschafer1879 fortnite has never had cheater drama in history of its platform
Runescape is infinitely simpler of a game than League of Legends. Server side anticheat is logistically impossible in League of Legends.
@@Sinzari But they could detect when a botting account is sold and it starts winning, hitting more skill shoots etc... among other things.
@@suerte1392not a very well thought out, effective, nor realistic approach.
Like others have mentioned the big reason I hate Vanguard is the fact that it’s running 100% of the time since system boot, I understand the need for an anti cheat, I really do, I just think companies need to look at alternatives rather than installing malware on everyone’s computer.
Look at Genshin Impact, their anti cheat driver was used by malicious actors to disable antivirus and launch payloads to people’s computer, and the game didn’t even need to be installed for this shit to happen.
My only saving grace is that if I’m really wanting to play league, I have my old computer which is only 4.5 years old to do this exact thing, all this computer has installed is League, Steam and a web browser, so I can isolate Vanguard as much as possible.
To all those people saying, “the government already has access to all your files” or “you already use social media get over it “, you’re an idiot and part of the problem, leave your front door wide open from now on and never lock anything since you have nothing to hide.
There is no alternative. Without kernel level anti-cheat there is no preventing people from cheating. Hackers are willing to go invasive levels, so anti-cheat has to as well. Your choice is either welcoming cheaters in the game, or welcoming kernel level anti-cheat. Most games have kernel level anti-cheat, easy anti-cheat does as well. So there is no difference there. The only one being that Vanguard runs from boot, but you can just turn it off after you booted your PC if you do not intend on playing league.
@@tine1012 Use a different kind of anti-cheat so it's not running 24/7?
Only require vanguard for Emerald or higher?
Just make the tryhards deal with it since they want a challenge anyway?
@@DJ-fb9cf
1. You can disable the anticheat when you don't plan to play and just restart your PC when you do.
2. Anticheats that only run after the game starts are ineffective, Easy Anti Cheat does this and its easily bypassed even as a Kernel anticheat.
3. Even if the Anticheat is only active in ranked you'd still need to download it, which practically is no different from how people like you complain now.
@@DJ-fb9cf That allows anyone willing to cheat still to cheat. And falls into the category of welcoming cheating into the games. That's an option, but at least acknowledge that is the choice you are making.
there is no problem , you can CLOSE vanguard after you close the game
I wonder just how many people Riot thinks will leave because of this vs how many actually will. I know a ton of people that didn't play Valorant specifically because of this vanguard crap and that's something that just doesn't show up in statistics. Forcing it into League is foolish and short sighted.
They'll get more money from selling user data than they'll lose by losing 50% of their playerbase, worth it, can't you see?
Most people don't care. Even less care enough to complain about online. There is no way riot would do this if it risked even 1/5 of their player base.
The problem is that its on all the time. Stay in your lane Riot, you dont deserve more access to my files than the government.
ur files arent important the govt doesnt care nerd.
soo... you're okay if its the government with all your online data?
You can actually disable vanguard so it won't start at startup, but another problem came up where you need to restart your pc if you want to play League, honestly if vanguard only run when the game starts like any other anti cheat, it won't be this problematic
I mean if it was off then cheaters would just use a script before turning it on. It sucks that they have this access but it's the only surefire way to block cheaters. If we had a good government they could pass a law making it safer for us though but the US is trash when it comes to tech law
at this point it's about WHICH government has access
Let's assume that Vanguard functions as advertised. Let's also assume that Riot's security is top notch. Then let's further assume that Tencent has the user's best interests at heart and would never consider spying on them or selling their data to advertisers. Lastly, let's assume that the Chinese Communist Party has no interest in compelling Tencent to acquire user data from abroad.
Asuming all of this to be true, it's still an invasive and resource intensive vulnerability for your PC, and cheaters will still find a way around Vanguard.
vanguard already is bypassed xd and the updates do not keep up with the cheaters at all. common riot games coding moment
Umm yes, here comes the racism and whataboutism, completely ignoring the USA being the biggest terrorist state in human history.
@@prideless2122that's how anti-cheat works, It's always behind.
By Chinese Law it is mandatory to copy and redirect every bit of data they have to the Chinese Communist Party. Tencent and Riot have PAID PARTY OFFICIALS in their own company building which only job is it to overview the data stream to the communist party....
If ever a war between China and any US Ally would occur, these are the PC's which will get hacked first...
I've always looked at Riot Vanguard being on a system as a sign that the game is meant more for professional play than casual play. (Who would risk installing a Kernal-level piece of software who doesn't absolutely need to?), so I think this season, despite all the cool changes to items and the map... I'll probably keep watching LoL Esports, but stop playing League myself.
Many people will risk installing it, I don't think most people realise and care about the potential danger. I just hope Riot will change their minds about using vanguard if people don't want to install it. If they don't then I guess league is over for me too. Honestly, it makes me a little sad but it'd probably be for the best.
"Who would install kernel level". Uh, every gamer on the planet? Do you realize how many games run kernel anticheat? Like 90% of online games, and a solid number of single player games if they have any level of online play. Such as Elden Ring or Doom. If you don't want to install kernel-level anticheat, you might as well quit playing video games entirely.
@@SleepyStreak this kernal anti cheat is on 24/7. thats concerning for lowend computers with limited resources.
also: "you might as well quit playing video games entirely."
honey please, not every (multiplayer) game has or needs anticheat. the people that don't like games with anticheat will just go play games that don't have it. It might be harder with those who are super competitive, but its not impossible.
@@JDReC100 All kernel anticheats run 24/7 that's the purpose of them.
And no, you can't avoid it. Not every multi-player game has it, but most do. And even single player games that have online play attached, use it. Ex: Doom, Assassins Creed, Elden Ring.
@@SleepyStreakNewsflash, not every gamer has played games that have kernel level anticheat. The only games I've ever downloaded with it are CSGO and Paladins, and I almost never play those games and the anticheat only works while the game is running. So I don't have to worry about it running 24/7 in the background.
The worst part of Vanguard for me was only covered in that huge wall'o'text message from Will. Vanguard fucking sucks at being hard/software friendly, I cannot count how many times did I encounter BSOD or drivers dying due to the presence of this goddamn malware. It was the N1 reason why I gave up on Valorant
Yeah Vanguard sucks also, hello it is me!
Yup, people complained about the legacy client when it did something silly like not update. This is a whole other ballgame
@@sinistressdreams7243 Keep being a shill.
@@sinistressdreams7243 Cope and seethe, sister.
You made a ticket at Riot Support uploading everything they ask for?
I’d rather play against a scripter (which I’ve still never seen ingame) than being forced to install this shit
Ive seen just one and i played for 1 year
@@nicronomici4658 I've seen one playing for 5. All he did was ping wards for the 5G.
I've played against a Sion that could move his Q while charging, and could steer his R on a dime. It was pretty awful.
in 8 years of occasional gaming i noticed like 6, the higher i climbed the more frequent they got
@@iluvatardis8804 I feel like any general game review for this sort of thing would get rid of cheaters after a game or two. I've played since season 2 and I've only seen 1 person explicitly hacking.
On the scale of issues, their matchmaking and MMR systems impact me virtually every game, as opposed to 1 in ~4,000 games for cheating.
You just know that Riot is going to push the numbers of people leaving the game into the number of hackers to make the impact of forcing Vanguard onto the playerbase not seem nearly as bad as it will be.
"We have seen a drastic drop off in scripting and bot accounts" meanwhile, only like maybe 5-10% of the number of "scripting and bot" accounts they'll statistically show will actually be scripting and bot accounts, with the other 90-95% being players that left not to deal with Vanguard bs.
IMO if they do that, we need to call them out on their data fudging, and lying.
@gondoravalon7540 How? By posting on the insular, Riot controlled Reddit? Forums and boards are gone and most of the playerbase is on that reddit or unreachable entirely.
They are already more or less autobanning any post with "vanguard" in the title.
No, this is simply a nail in the coffin for some. The riot playerbase is startlingly unsympathetic anyway.
Have you ever seen how vanguard actually dropped cheaters? Also they don't care about your porn. Go upgrade your pc as well
@@colenayson Why are you defending the multimillion dollar company, the fact google and social media already have your data doesnt makes any better Tencent wants to install a kernel level threat in your computer for a problem mostly only in high elo; which even if you dont care about your privacy and the fact they get hacked like twice a week, performance problems shoud be a concern, they will kill casual players forcing them to upgrade when league points of sell is literally the ability to be run easily, vanguard isnt even a good anticheat at all, the numbers they provide are heavily sided to support their claims (you clearly not know how statistics work) and causes a lot and i mean A LOT of problems since its so poorly developed, causing driver or OS malfunction even on high spec machines. Vanguard is just so bad and takes resources for no reason by running 100% on the background, not mentioning ofc all the false flags if you are into modding games like gta V in which vanguard for some reason would detect it as a cheat; and guess what? "just open a ticket bro", most of the time they just give bot generated answers or just tell you to fuck off for no reason.
@@colenayson League is designed to be played on a potato. It is specifically designed so anyone of any $$$ can play. Well...not anymore.
Arena brought me back for a while but these dubious directions from RIOT have convinced me to uninstall again.
Riot do be planning something dubious 🔥🔥
bye bye
The fact that Riot Games is going to make us use a Vanguard anticheat to play League while also keeping in the League client a memory leak is quite concerning.
"Fair play is vital to any competitive pastime, and League is no exception. While we've always worked to stay ahead of scripters, bots, and bot-leveled accounts, this became particularly challenging after the security breach in early 2023."
-Riot Games
I sure hope nothing happens in early 2024 💀
I mean if league and the client were rock solid i wouldnt have such a trust issue with a kernel software from the same company
@@NoAlias_they already have a shit track record lmao getting all their data leaked, valorant still having so many hackers wtf is the point of us even installing this 24/7 rootkit malware vanguard
See ya league. Thanks for the final push to not play.
Nah nope it's basically saying "It's your PC anyway"; their assurance of nothing happens is as sure as anyone giving insurance / collateral .
How about riot giving insurance / collateral no questions asked if it's so safe then? If they can't even give a cent of insurance, that's how trust worthy their software is.
*Edit:* For all unbelievers: I ain't a lawyer, pretty sure ToS was just an outlier, if not the likes like Facebook & Tesla shouldn't be in court right? City laws still triumphs like that right to repair against apple. Laws are always an afterthought of malice a.k.a crimes. ToS could only buy them so much time.
I mean you can't just write away your basic rights.
Riot was already not too good when CCP didn't passed a law requiring CCP governed companies to cooperate with their spying, what's more now?
In any case I already uninstalled League and have other hobbies like 3D modelling and Vtubing, I was already not playing that much and only play RGM from time to time and reminisce old memories , not playing League is not the end of the world.
The problem was most people think, players who had quit was not on the borderline of quitting already. And they think everyone has an addiction and were just bluffing. They think they are some kind of psychologist playing 5D chess against everyone.
Well, you've seen how many games use kernel lvl ac... They need it to match cheat devs.
@@leslyschafer1879 That was not my intention, I mean who uses Vanguard? only riot. Companies like Easy Anti-Cheat still has competitors, so they really have to be strict and have integrity, or else Clients would sue them and they'll find other AC companies.
Not to mention their parent company is in CCP land which passed a literal law requiring companies to cooperate in their spying(or whatever) campaign.
Maybe I should had mentioned that in the first place right?
Pretty sure when u accept tos of Vanguard u agree that Riot's wont be liable for any damages.
@@Pigtigo Not too sure, I ain't a lawyer, pretty sure ToS was just an outlier, if not the likes like Facebook & Tesla shouldn't be in court right? City laws still triumphs like that right to repair against apple. Laws are always an afterthought of malice a.k.a crimes. ToS could only buy them so much time.
I mean you can't just write away your basic rights.
Riot was already not too good when CCP didn't passed a law requiring CCP governed companies to cooperate with their spying, what's more now?
In any case I already uninstalled League and have other hobbies like 3D modelling and Vtubing, I was already not playing that much and only play RGM from time to time and reminisce old memories , not playing League is not the end of the world.
The problem was most people think, players who had quit was not on the borderline of quitting already. And they think everyone has an addiction and were just bluffing. They think they are some kind of psychologist playing 5D chess against everyone.
The reasons why this is a problem:
Riot's been hacked several times before by now.
The shady corpo as you've said.
Vanguard having firsthand accounts of bricking a PC and vast amounts of evidence of destroying hardware.
hacked isn't the issue, they're a CCP shill company, Tencent is CCP enslaved.
I've said this a few times but im gonna voice my voice again. I'm uncomfortable with riot having this level of anticheat since they lack competence of making stuff work and if it will be like anything ingame the chance of breaking the system is medium to high or least that is what it feels like
"Fair play is vital to any competitive pastime, and League is no exception. While we've always worked to stay ahead of scripters, bots, and bot-leveled accounts, this became particularly challenging after the security breach in early 2023."
Gee I wonder what will happen in early 2024 💀.
I mean your just wrong. Valorant has substantially less cheaters than CSGO currently does so much so that even the top content creators and pro players will agree with this sentiment. Vanguard is a GODSEND when it comes to anticheats. If you are this insecure about your files then quit league lol
and I am uncomfortable having cheaters ruin the game. You should prob play something else man. They don't care about your porn
so glad vanguard never damaged hardware... ah wait@@SadlyEmbers
@@colenaysonimagine thinking people care about privacy because of porn 😂
Custom skin community will also be in shambles unless Riot whitelists the programs.
They’ve basically destroyed their entire modding community with this
They gave up because if custom skins found a way to bypass Vanguard, so do the hackers. They said that they can't promise anything regarding custom skins. With that said custom skins are out of the question for who knows how long.
They never cared about the modding community, they've always been against League mods
Kernal clamped software thats attached like a parasite is soo scummy. 😂
From what I heard, the Genshin Impact ransomware thing was MUCH worse. This video left out the part that the ransomware worked even if you NEVER INSTALLED GENSHIN. Their anti-cheat needed to be approved by Microsoft to gain kernel access. Someone was able to forge the certification and apply it to their ransomware. Essentially Microsoft agreed to "install doggy door to their vault" when MiHoYo asked, and bad actors were able to use it as an attack vector.
Aaayyy you went from your 1 supporter on Patreon to 16, congrats! :D
And yeah it being on 24/7 is really not a good thing, besides hogging resources if your system can't handle it properly it is also dumb that you have to modify your bios just to use some games that use vanguard
Most people dont have to mod their bios from what I've heard. This issue occured mostly on windows 11.
The subreddit is also deleting any posts related to vanguard
Shit no way 😢
league subreddit has been unironicly paid off by riot for years. There is a Richard Lewis article about it.
The biggest problem with Vanguard is that Riot is owned by Tencent. I don't trust Tencent at all.
My man, if you don't want your data to be stolen do these 2 things, 1 never use technology 2 they already have acces to all Ur shit BC U used technology.
True many may disagree but I believe they too believe in it cause they won't even give a cent of insurance / collateral xD They would never lose money if it will never happen right?
ppl ignore the fuck that Tencent is a CCP company at this point. Ain't no way I'm giving my privacy to CCP.
@@MangaGamified lil bro is asking for insurance / collateral for playing a video game 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@strawhatJ ad hominem really? is that the best you can debate? Your name perfectly suits you.
Do you even know what we're talking about kid?
StrawhatJ another onepiece weeb with the anime being milked for all eternity.
My partner is a computer programmer. While watching the season 2024 vid that they announced Vanguard on, she was listening along in the background. As soon as "Kernel level" came up she went "Oh hell no!". The more we dug around at what others had been experiencing such as bricking PCs, disabling drives, overclocking, random crashes and one user that got banned for mods they had for a completely unrelated game (the false positives Will mentioned), not to mention Tencent is a sketchy as fuck Chinese state megacorp, we decided, you know what? No! Fuck off with your hackery, we aren't okay with this. My wife ordered me a second hand Mac off eBay and that is what I'll be playing League on from now on. If anyone has around £150 spare and isn't okay with this but still wants to play League, I highly recommend following my example.
But this makes the game more expensive than it is worth honestly. I would only consider this once I buy a new laptop and then factory reset my old one to then play on it. And at this point I'm not even sur eif that will be safe with all the negative messages.
How does a Mac help? They just don’t give riot Kernal access?
@@oKazaryo correct. atleast, for now.
@@oKazaryo Yep, RIOT, or anyone for that matter can't put anything Kernel level on MACs
Just have to thank Riot for pushing me to finally quit League and sell my account. I'll have a great three week trip with the money I'll get from the sale. 15 years of League and it's finally over.
U spend how much money in league?
How much does bro think he’s going to get 😭
Blud thinks he has pax TF skin
UA-cam DMA card/hardware cheats
kernel was the reason a new item was selling.
@@dankmemes8254 I have PAX Jax & TF and this change is making me quit league 🤣
Riot digging its own grave is a sign that nature is indeed healing.
Any reasonable person will see this is a ticking time bomb.
Has Riot been hacked before? Yes.
Has a kernel level anti-cheat do shady stuff in the background happend before? Yes.
Is riot connected to a shady entity? Yes
If vanguard wasn't up 24/7 and worked like EAC, I wouldn't mind, but I had troubles when I played Valorant, like my computer acting weird, booting in 3 minutes instead of 10 seconds. Vanguard is a big no for me.
And the worst part is, I don't even play League anymore, I just want to play TFT on PC because it's much more comfortable on desktop than on mobile.
It works exactly like EAC. It's on your computer when you startup, collecting data to ensure you're not using cheats, and connects to the servers when the game is open to send that data.
@@SleepyStreak EAC only launches when you launch the game.
@@Silver2909 It does, same as Vanguard. If you think it doesn't, you're misguided. Riot is just more open about it.
@@SleepyStreak it doesn't. A simple look to your task manager is enough to realize it.
@@Silver2909 Vanguard doesn't show up on task manager either unless you have the tray shortcut open.... are you dumb?
For me personally and many other people, vanguard loves to simply take up 100% of my CPU even if i havent touched it in weeks. Had to quit valorant for that reason, probably league too now
I've never seen a confirmed cheater in any of my games aside from Coop vs. Ai bots in over 10 years of playing League. I can not imagine cheating is a big enough problem where this is necessary. I absolutely do not trust Tencent with this software. I really hate it but if they go through with this but I'm going to have to quit.
SkinSpotlights: im not giving my money to xi jhin ping for a chroma when all of jhin's skins are 1350+
Riot: -100,000,000 social credit
Bro, you do realize that he is affiliated with them right? He is a content creator and he is in contact with riot with when he can release skin videos and early champion gameplay videos.
I had 14 good years of playing League. Sad to see it come to an end...
Waaahh
damn, thats a significant portion of your life wasted on a video game brother. Looks like riot did you a favor
@@strawhatJHe said “good years”. If the years were good in his opinion then it was objectively not a waste.
I take it you like to waste your life by trolling comment sections?
Yikes.
Not wasted if he enjoyed them. @@strawhatJ
@@strawhatJ > *wasted*
Someone's time recreating isn't "wasted" just becaue you have different standards than them. 🙄
Think vanguard is gonna hurt league way harder than without it
how my man
@@Bashaka104If you watch the video instead of being dumb you'd understand.
@@fistofram5526 weird to see riot refusing everyone's money lmao
All I got from the video is that it's a good thing and that people are way too whiny for what it actually is@@fistofram5526 . The problems that do exist, exist for the big minority, in which case its a skill issue.
@@Bashaka104 many people will stop playing and it appears for good reasons
"can't communicate with the outside world unless you run the game" is absolutely meaningless. As if it can't buffer data and then send it when you do.
If the driver is running 24/7, doesn't that mean it absolutely can do shit behind the scenes without the average person knowing?
@@gondoravalon7540 yes. it gives them FULL access to your computer, and by full I mean full they can fry every piece of hardware in your case.
it's not that people quit because of vanguard, but that vanguard forces us to quit.
I would love to continue playing League but I literally wouldn't be able to since my Mainboard (which is only 6 years old) doesn't support TPM 2.0 and Secure Boot....
Had the same issue with Valorant already, I would love to play the game but I'm just not able to.
Same with my Girlfriend, she has a gaming laptop and its not compatible...
It’s crazy how many comments here are “this is my concern and why I do not like it” and the responses are just clowns saying things like “why do u care ur personal data is already being used? Who cares about your privacy you already have social medias everything is already out there” it’s wild how much the attitude of people internet has changed so much from the mid 2000’s/early 2010’s where people are actually confused as to why someone would want some kind of privacy
I can't help but be overly reductive, and chalk it up to morons being morons.
best part about it is how they conflate your data being spied upon to giving full access to your computer to the chinese goverment. It's even more ridiculous
Man I hope we can get a succesful boycott for once but with the league brainrot it's obviously not happening
Youre mad that you cant play a game and you are calling us "brainrot"?
Name checks out
Look dude, we are not gonna boycott vanguard. The reason? There is no other choice. This game has never been so full of bots and scripters. At the higher levels of play this is really unhealthy. Players want competitive integrity.
@@dumbassdude8372yes
The issue is not having an anti cheat, it's having a kernel level anti cheat that runs constantly no matter what, especially when the company has had hacking issues lately
If anyone wonder, account leveling to lvl 30 can still work, you just need to pick Yuumi, setup a small macro, that constantly presses W on your ally, and maybe use your E ability sometimes too. There's not too much risk for ban, since you are using the same program that controls your mouse (Razer Synapse or Logitech's G-HUB or etc.), it can't really be detected as a cheat software.
actually this brings up another problem with Vanguard because some mouse and keyboard software due end being flagged with some valorant getting banned for using these software.
Yeah instead of being banned for cheating you're just gonna get banned for Botting.
Also you can't set up something this advanced like auto targeting your ally and stuff in those programs.
you will get 100% ban if you do that , you will end up 0/2000
@@ehqwk you easily could set up a script to auto target an ally.
Yuumi being the thing that bypasses all this would be ironic
Good video. But it's a charade calling Vanguard just a Kernel level Anti-Cheat that runs 24/7. Compared to other Anti-Cheats it's very likely that an exploit can be used get unwanted access to your machine/network.
Compare it to someone stealing your money while you are shopping vs someone being able to steal your money anytime anywhere.
I wouldn't trust a company that already got their source codes leaked to not have possible exploits in their Anti-Cheat.
Also having such a tool run constantly is more of a sign of incompetency rather than a good decision on Riots part.
Like majority of the player base, I have played League for decades, from when I was in school to now a working adult with my own family. I'm not going through all the hassle for a game that is already a waste of time unless I'm playing with my buddies.
Solving the cheater and hacker issue with Vanguard is the same as giving your house permanent access to police just because there are thieves in the neighborhood. Majority of League players are working adults, Riot ain't fooling anyone with their Vanguard explanation especially when there at IT folks playing the game. Anyone with basic knowledge in IT knows how much control you're giving to any software with kernel mode access. Ain't nobody got time to build a burner computer with only League installed.
It's a bitter sweet moment for me since it's been majority of me and my friends' gaming lives, from Team Ranked to Ranked Flex, but honestly we'll stop caring in a week or 2 after quitting once we find a game we can play together as 5 again. Gfys Riot
"We've tried to be very careful with the security of the driver. We've had multiple external security research teams review it for flaws (we don't want to accidentally decrease the security of the computer like other anti-cheat drivers have done in the past). We're also following a least-privilege approach to the driver where the driver component does as little as possible preferring to let the non-driver component do the majority of work (also the non-driver component doesn't run unless the game is running).
The Vanguard driver does not collect or send any information about your computer back to us. Any cheat detection scans will be run by the non-driver component only when the game is running.
The Vanguard driver can be uninstalled at any time (it'll be "Riot Vanguard" in Add/Remove programs) and the driver component does not collect any information from your computer or communicate over the network at all."
Source: www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/fzxdl7/comment/fn6yqbe/?
You demonize kernel access as being such an extreme thing, but the list of games that use Kernel access anti-cheat nowadays is actually huge. Its just necessary to have any meaningful chance agaisnt hackers and scripters.
basic IT knowledge = I browse reddit and also dabble in conspiracytard videos on youtube
@@joaoteodororeis2051Is it demonizing, to be concerned about SW that runs on the highest privilege level, while being basically all time on?
@@joaoteodororeis2051 theres a big difference between having permanent kernel access and having limited kernel access though?
gonna quit the moment that malware is on... i stopped playing valorant because of vanguard, it acts as a malware if break your apps and pc like a malware it smells like a malware this is freakin dogshit ...just no never again...
I think I'm just gonna wait and see what happens with this whole Vanguard issue. The fact that it runs 24/7 is very concerning to me. I'll watch from the sides and see what happens to LoL after Vanguard arrives. Hoping it's not that bad or Riot deicides to use something different. I really am tired of scripters and bots I get in my games, heck I don't play rank yet I see them in normals and sometimes aram games. But I also don't want my PC to explode just to play one game.
youre not a challenger, what scripters are you talking in your silver elo
If you can detect someone is cheating with you naked eyes, a machine could instantly get it. It just needs a bit of statistics aligned with matrices and things like that. Get the outliers, hire someone to check them and problem solved
@@paulojose7568 You are right, and wrong at the same time.
No one can detect scripters or cheaters with the naked eye unless its REALLY blatant. Meaning, most (if not all) those "hackers" and "scripters" people are talking about, are either, truly scripters that are so stpidly blatant (and those get banned pretty much instantly), or just better than them and people cannot cope so they go "its full of scripters!!!!!" just because they dont know how to dodge a skillshot.
This video is brought to you by tencent
yeah... I had far too many issues with vanguard causing some applications to not run correctly. Like I might play another online game and it'd attack the anti-cheat for that game, stopping me from playing it until I force close Vanguard, or sometimes it just sees other games as being cheating software(Star Rail has been repeatedly flagged by vanguard for me) or even sometimes it's disabled the driver for my wifi adapter...
So yeah, when it's in? I'm out.
Manually installing a Rootkit created by a Chinese owned company to play LoL? I don't see this being popular with many users. But i reckon a vast majority of players will just install it anyway.
Vanguard is shit, there's so many anticheats that don't require to be on at all times. It already ruined my pc once by glitching out and booting multiple times on start of the pc and I had to restart it whole.
making shit up
he's not making shit up xD he's got a valid point vanguard causes so many issues especially when trying to boot up the game I have never played a game except Valorant that needs me to get into Bios to even play it @@mahmutweeb
sounds like a skill issue
@@mahmutweeb nah
yep it is actually super buggy and glitchy, I dont know if they fixed it yet but like 2 years ago when i installed valorant, vanguard completely took over my pc controls and wouldnt let me change my fan speed or overclock/undervolt my pc.
It is a huge issue because tencent is a Chinese company, bound by chinese law. If the Chinese government says "give us access" guess who gets access.
There is NO reason why vaguard cant run just like the others, where it launches when a game launches. Having to reboot your PC if you close vanguard is absolutely clownish.
yep,that's it.
you forgot the part where it also scans files in the background and reports those names back
The problem is having it run permanently on your pc, because that can mess with other programs as well. There really is no reason for that.
So do i rather have anti cheat so to play the game with the hopes to eliminate bots and cheaters at the cost of exposing myself to a guaranteed history of ransomwares, pc slowing down, driver problems and privacy issues that can really affect my personal and work documents in real life; or play a game with some cheaters that is after all for me just a game?
bye bye league
You forgot 2 very big con you shoudl've mentioned:
It's made by Riot.
Riot already had security breach last year.
woah man crazy, there are people that are better out there at coding, who would've thought? And they don't care about your porn dw
I absolutely hate this, it kept me away from playing valorant and now if this is added on league I'll quit riot games for good. I don't want to restart my PC every single time I have to do something else that vanguard wants to block for literal no reason.
its such a shame i hope i can still somehow play it without vanguard since i´m addicted to league but have private photos and use my pc for online banking and i dont trust the ccp with my data
Based and cool Ryscu. I think a lot of positives are moot becahse they are strictly for ranked and competitive players while a majority of Riot Games’ audience is casual, but it will still have an affect.
no one wants scripters in their normal games either. The positives are not moot at all lmfao.
Computer safety 101 is to only download things you trust. Riot could’ve bricked your PC if they wanted to long before you even thought about installing Vanguard. If you don’t trust Riot to install Vanguard, then you should have never installed anything from Riot at all. And by the same token, you shouldn’t ever have installed any game that uses Battleye or EasyAntiCheat.
@@strawhatJ I play lol 2 times a week, maybe even less, and never seen one scripter in my normal games
@@strawhatJ I've played thousands of games on my account in draft pick alone and I cannot think of a single time I've seen someone and thought he had to be scripting, it just isn't a problem outside of ranked. The bot account are definitely a problem in bot games but those can easily be found using other means, riot just doesn't care enough to stop the botting problem.
@@strawhatJ No one scripts in normal games. The positives are literally moot lmfao.
man people really saying "privacy? pfff the govt already spies on you", even if that's true, privacy is a scale meaning you can have more or less privacy not just having it or not, also the privacy is the least of my concerns regarding vanguard if you watch the video you will know what happened with genshin's kernel level anticheat...
i'd rather play cs2 and run into a cheater half the matches i play, than sacrifice my privacy and open a huge door for viruses, backdoors and other malware
Pretty sure it is not as big of a risk as people claim.
"We've tried to be very careful with the security of the driver. We've had multiple external security research teams review it for flaws (we don't want to accidentally decrease the security of the computer like other anti-cheat drivers have done in the past). We're also following a least-privilege approach to the driver where the driver component does as little as possible preferring to let the non-driver component do the majority of work (also the non-driver component doesn't run unless the game is running).
The Vanguard driver does not collect or send any information about your computer back to us. Any cheat detection scans will be run by the non-driver component only when the game is running.
The Vanguard driver can be uninstalled at any time (it'll be "Riot Vanguard" in Add/Remove programs) and the driver component does not collect any information from your computer or communicate over the network at all."
Source: Riot (www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/fzxdl7/comment/fn6yqbe/?)
if you are getting viruses in the current year it's purely an IQ problem, sorry lil bro
@@strawhatJ > *IQ problem*
Says the one who clearly read something OP didn't write.
The reason i and some others dont like it, is that a good amount of us is that personal information on the pc cause we usually only have one device we do all our work or gaming on(i play most games on a Xbox. League and Minecraft are the only games now i play on pc). Also (this is just my experience with vanguard on valorant) it had some issues with emulators which i use for school (computer science student). Android studio just couldnt run emulators anymore with it. I dont know if the device was old or something but after the restart, the emulator part just wouldnt work.
Some have work and League all in one PC; and the PC has sensitive company files, well Riot themselves aren't giving insurance / collateral there won't be any spying. If they can't guarantee that other than "just trust us with our propriety software" then that's a deal breaker.
@@MangaGamified I agree. that what I'm saying
Yeah 24/7 is a no go, I got a blue screen once on my old laptop that brought up vanguard had stopped working as the cause of the crash. If I have the pic, somewhere in my library, I’d love to show it.
i've been playing league since 2011, well over 10k games, peaked 183 lp master, and i've completely wiped riot and league from my pc because of vanguard and i will never play again unless riot finds a better solution. kernel level access, running from boot, riot is owned 100% by a chinese company, all for a game that has virtually no cheaters. it seems that cheating may be an issue in challenger, a rank with only 300 or so players, which is so small that riot could probably have actual humans deal with it, but outside of challenger cheating is basically nonexistent in league and everyone knows it. as for botting smurfs, the cat is out of the bag on that one, an incalculable amount of bots have already been created and sold, stopping future botting does little to solve that problem. why does a chinese company want the most invasive access to your pc they could possibly have when the game has virtually no cheaters? the fact that this is being implemented when there's no need for it is extremely suspicious. no way i'm letting something like that on my pc. in my opinion if you allow vanguard on your pc you're either ignorant about how bad it is or you don't really care at all about keeping your pc safe.
Bottom line - This is the single most invasive and dangerous anti cheat of any game due it running from boot and league has basically no need for it. if you care at all about keeping your pc safe, do not let vanguard touch it.
Can't wait for half my friend to be unable to play league because of Vanguard fucking around with drivers and impacting performance in general.
Some of my friends' pc's already struggle in teamfights, one of them straight up crashes in Project Mordekaiser's ult, so if they have to fuck around with Bios and shit or upgrade their PC for league of all games they sure as hell won't.
And if my friends won't be playing league, I won't be either because the only reason I play is because of them.
I also can't wait for Vanguard to detect one of my random ass emulators that allows me to play old obscure games as "cheating software", which does not even run in the background during league, to get detected and get hardware banned off of it kekw.
Some people are going to be real mad once vanguard kicks in because their computer won't be able to play the game. If you think about it League has the most to suffer from this because it is a 2011 dx9 game that can run on your grandma's toaster and people were using potatoes to run it. Now all of those guys are getting booted out and probably not coming back soon.
"I know you're all challenger"
damn right.
Something not mentioned here is the slippery slope riot has made into a mundane expectation. It is a huge deal expecting your users to just give up complete access to your machine, and passing it off as nothing like this makes me wonder if they will do any other changes in the future with no say from its player base (who is very obviously against it). Sticking with a company who has no issue ignoring their player base and giving that company money to actively make your pc less secure just does not make sense to me.
Something has felt off about LoL since Seraphine's release in 2020 and now with Vanguards it's becoming more blatant and undeniable than ever. Riot games is fishy. Back to Mario Galaxy
So, before the anti cheat, my 3090 couldnt handle the vsync at 120hz (with random fps drops) now what? I will play with 20 fps? Best indie company ever.
They are making it way too complicated for a good amount of people to play the game with having to go into bios and implement things. That in itself will reduce people for them being
1: Lazy.
2: Not so Tech savy / Confused.
3: Afraid.
So overall this will effect a good amount of players to be honest and they will most likely never touch it again. Hope they realize this and don't push it through.
I don't think people are against this becuase they are "lazy, not so tech savy and afraid". Just tired of corporations overstepping their boundaries. Say no to being the consumer-worker
You do realize, this is going to be less than .001% of the players, correct? Unless you're running some extremely old/outdated cracked version of windows, you aren't going to have to mess with the BIOS at all on windows 10/11, especially since win11 requires it now anyway.
@@formaltaliti You do realize that it's going to be more than 0.001% of players correct? Most people don't like their privacy being removed just because Riot doesn't want to A) remake the game with a better anti-cheat in mind and B) Make actual decent decisions that don't involve forcing the skin department to make more skins.
@@formaltaliti clueless, most of the league player base is from 3rd world country my guy which means a bigger portion is not running windows 11(internet cafes)
you do realize that you most certainly already have one or more of this anti-cheats in your computer yes?
I don't understand people who call out everyone who is against it cheaters or scripters. Ive been playing 10 years, buying skins, not even cheater once, not playing rankeds. This is about level of access youre going to give them, i dont trust it and i dont support it. Plus i use Linux now so bye😅 sad it had to happen this way 💁🏻♀️
> *I don't understand people who call out everyone who is against it cheaters or scripters.*
IMO the simple answer is that they're morons.
while i know that ranked is a big selling point of the game , i dont understand why is this much of a security flaw is forced on everyone and not only on those who are affected the most by it , eg: high elo players
just let me chose to not play ranked and not install vanguard , boom , problem solved , everytime a company forces its entire playerbase to a change is ALWAYS done in bad faith
because riot did not want to solve this issue. For the past 7 years high elo has been "plagued" by wintraders, scripters and griefers, player propsed answer to the problem was very basic just have "admins" capable of observing high elo games. You only really need them in masters - gm +, it would cost peanuts, and provide a sensible solution.
But riot didnt want to address the chinese wintrader problem in NA, because that would look bad.
Instead of focusing on people soft-griefing or just running it down in high elo, riot cracked down on "bad words", because bad words make them look bad.
And when scripting became more prelevant within the last 2-3 years, riot didn't want to introduce people to oversee high elo games, instead use it as a perfect opportunity to install a backdoor into 150 million devices.
@@vyyr yeah , not wanting to look bad is a staple of chinese companies , gotta wonder why riot is doing the same 🤔
still , im uninstalling it if its mandatoy , its about time i guess.
Thanks for a calm, reasonable approach to the topic of "well, other games do it as well". I know it's true, but aside from the fact that Vanguard is the only one of these tools to be ALWAYS running, this is my #1 reason why League was the ONLY online game I'd play in many, many years - seriously, the other ones I can list are such relics like Unreal Tournament 1 or Worms Armageddon. It's terrifying to see how things become the norm pretty much ONLY by the means of no choice. Anyway, I'll be keeping a close eye on how this plays out - right now I have LoL uninstalled just to be safe, but I'm actually willing to compromise if Riot at least modifies Vanguard to be strictly tied to opening and shutting down the game. And by this I mean the GAME, not the client. Though I probably won't be able to play anyway since I don't want to upgrade my Windows 10 to 11.
You know that you can turn off vanguard whenever you want and then if you want to play valorant or league you just have to restart to enable it
@@Burnerhit nobody is gonna restart their fucking pc when they wanna open league
@@arosbastion7052 This lmao
@@arosbastion7052 your problem for been lazy
@@wnsjimbo2863 Not wanting to take needless steps (and putting the onus on the user for not wanting to put up with a thing the company could have avoided imposing on us) isn't lazy, what a stupid statement.
When it was announced this was coming I uninstalled league immediately. I’ve played since season 3 and it’s crazy that this is what got me to kick league to the curb. I refuse to play any game that has a kernel level install.
Imagine if all the games have vanguard what u will do then😂
You do know all your data is already being used and sold right ? What does it matter we all have personalised ads, they are even listening to every word you say, and AI is ruining it even further. You have 0 idea how fucked humanity is concerning our private data.
More than just Vanguard is kernel level:
EasyAntiCheat, PunkBuster, BattlEye, nProtect GameGuard, Xigncode3, EQU8, Activision’s Ricochet, Electronic Arts’ EA AntiCheat, and Blizzard’s Defense Matrix are all Kernel Level as well.
Also for atleast PunkBuster, I believe that (used for Battlefield titles and more) run partly on startup. (had 2 services, only A ran on startup)
@@gladiatorgamer9502not play them? There’s already a lot of games that use kernel level stuff and I just don’t play them, and if you were smart you wouldn’t either. The risk isn’t worth whatever fun the game has
@@thatfrog4104 yeah I’m more than aware of that, that’s why I research games before I play them? If it has a kernel level anything I’m not playing it
Please do not ever only blur you cmd output. Especially if you gonna show it to a public. Put some solid cover over sensitive data.
The question I have is, will YOU keep playing leage and download Vanguard after their source code (and TFT's source code) was hacked last January as reported by Riot?
selling league account with all skins +2 pax skins, my issue isn`t with what access it has, my issue is it running 24/7 and having to restart my pc to relaunch league. i am not going to close all my 3d software to play 1 game of league... and i cant afford a 20k USD pc for it to not effect my 3d modeling. i need to close everything when i am working with millions of polygons. so gonna sell my league acc and just not play league anymore. oh well was fun while it lasted. unless they make it so it closes when i close league i am not bothering with this game anymore
1. Riot games got hacked last year.
2. Riot games does not know how to code (just look at the client or Viego)
3. I'm not buying a different PC and a router just for this.
Safe to say I'm quitting league. Goodbye my friends ~ Arch user btw.
Same. Just uninstalled the game and client
@@kolliwanne964 Good choice! If I wasn't on Linux I would have done the same. I guess I'll be able to play few more before it breaks. After that I'm gonna try to create a perfectly hidden VM, that can run vanguard, but I'll probably fail :D
@@morosov4595 Any Windows VM wont work. Maybe a Mac would actually do the trick tho, because for some reason Riot deems it "more secure" so it doesnt need Vanguard to begin with. (aka we dont want to lose our entire Mac playerbase and we are too fucking incompetend to code it for MacOS)
@@kolliwanne964 I know any windows VM won't work. That's why I'm messing around with custom ROM for bios as well as GPU passthrough and more.
@@morosov4595Actually i am not even sure anymore if a VM doesnt work at all, i have seen that some have done some shenanigans to circumvent it...but this is really not my expertise
well i guess i'm not playing arena anymore
Its cool that riot now blocks me behind the paywall of "just by a tpm module or a new motherboard 4head!" like f you riot. you cant seriously boot players of your platform for not having the most modern hardware when other working anti cheats wont need this tpm crap. thanks for that (>ლ)
It's the reason I'm quitting and my whole playgroup is behind me, and I was the most active even in solo play. I kind of hope they backtrack because I really like LoL, but I won't play while vanguard is active.
If they add Vanguard I'll just be quitting, I'm not allowing a 24/7 program I can't turn off (if I want to play the game) run on my PC scanning any program I run. They're not even going to make it required for Mac or Linux, so what's the point. My computers autonomy & my privacy is not up for forfeit, Riot. I'll be looking into a forced bank refund for skins I've bought in the last 12 months since they're effectively locking me out of my account via planned obsolescence.
disabling vanguard when not playing and then restarting the pc to play is one of the reason i don't play valorant. it wouldn't matter if it didn't need the restart.
I think their best course of action would be an anti cheat system that is NOT kernel lvl. Sure, it might not be AS effective but it will probably be much better than what we have now and it wouldn't be nearly as scary for us players. I really hesitate installing vanguard as well.
They have to use vanguard. It's their anti-cheat. It's a waste to spend development time on a worse anti-cheat. Outsourcing would be more expensive.
Vanguard won't help with scripters at all, they will be back in like a month, if not even quicker. As an Anti-cheat it is ineffective at best, so integrating it into League is just another security concern and just that.
Compare cheating status of Valorant and CS. Just try
valorant literally have the least ammount of cheaters of any fps games,
I disagree.....vanguard banned thousands of players in valorant.
it will definitely work when it comes to amatuer scripters and botters.
Not to mention dedicated cheaters would just buy DMA card/hardware cheats. It's like Denuvo all over again, pirates are not affected but their genuine honest customers are suffering for their security/anti-piracy measures xD
go youtube that term
@@aimin6469 come to asia server u will change ur mind. cs and valorant pretty much same amount in asia server
One of my main concerns is that I use parsec to play league on a remote PC... Parsec uses a virtual mouse and it works great. Vanguard goes out of its way to explicitly deny access to this virtual mouse. Using keyboard, etc works fine. I have created numerous tickets about this with Valorant and Riot refuses to do anything about it.... can't wait to be unable to play league now.
I am not returning to League until this issue is resolved.
bro if it is running 24/7 it is affecting performance. Doesnt matter if it is a virus since if something like that is discovered riot is prb getting sued for a lot so they most likely wont do it. Some pcs dont run with 32 gigs ddr5, rtx30XX-rtx40XX and a 12th gen cpus. Also about privacy conserns: if they wanted to be transparent they could: a) open source the programm (although Im pretty sure that would defeat its purpose) b) allow it to run on VMs (really I dont see an issue with that). I dont care about privacy since microsoft, google and the rest of the big boys got everything on me already, but destroying my pc performance 24/7, costing more in electricity and harming further the environment is a deal breaker for me. Riot you game is good, but it aint THAT good.
Actions speak louder than words, if they are true to their words, they should give insurance / collateral if it really will not do anything. But no one even wants to give a cent of insurance / collateral xD
Not playing League isn't the end of the world 🤣
if u dont play u close it, u want to play restart...
They have a bug bounty (up to 100k) for anyone who finds exploit...
Yes, making anti-cheat open source would defeat it's purpose.
When you run games in VM it's easier to cheat, many games don't let you play on VM (r6s, genshin, tarkov...)
Also the performance hit when it's running in the background is minimal
@@leslyschafer1879 your only downplaying how badly it can affect performance. This is in your experience yes?