still trying to figure out the best way to mount this system with the timecode gen on the c70... but still maintain my top handle for an easy rig. nice review :)
Thank you @MrMoviePhoneEx. Nice to see another C70 user here! Depending upon what your using your top shoe mount on your handle for you could do the configuration we use here which is a touch of bit soft side Velcro on the DTRX to attach the TC-1 providing it doesn’t interfere with your grip. Cheers!
Nice concise summary. Many nice and a few ground breaking features. As you said the app has smashed the glass on all other wireless apps. Seems perfect for camera mounted sound systems, but not bag use. That it does not have a compressor concerns me as I am used to old Lectro analog that has 30 dB of compression available on transmissions. I've never once heard clipping in 10 years of use (never heard an RF hit either).
Always really appreciate your insight Michael; thanks for taking the time to make these reviews. Do you think they'd work OK as a budget IFB? The manual hints that the receiver can output a headphone level signal but it's not super clear. Thanks again!!!
Hi Will, I appreciate that! As far as IFB, I did listen to the headphone out on the receiver, and things sounded good. The total output volume was a little low in comparison to my R1a’s and there was a little more of delay. Providing those two things aren’t limiting for the end-user. There should be no issue using it as an IFB.
Michael Wynne, it would be interesting if someone tested third-party lav's on the Deity Theos. Sennheiser, DPA and Sanken are superior mic's with the same connectivity but will they work? Can you plug one of those in and see how it sounds?
This system really is great for the money. For me it's my first wireless system I own. I have used other systems like Sennheiser, Rode etc but this system really speaks to the workflow I want with wireless which is fast deployment with or without my audio bag near me all the time. I'm not going to say it was a "destined" purchase but it really was the best purchase for me, my budget and workflow. Now time will tell if it holds up for the next year or so.
Thanks for sharing @redjrjames! Smart thinking to see how a system can be powerful with or without the sound bag, you never know what kind of problem you'll need to solve on set! Cheers!
@Jimberjuniorlearning Great question, there are two Deity TC-1’s. One is running into the C70 TC BNC input and the other is running into a GH5 sending audio TC AUX into the audio input which can be converted to actual TC in the edit software.
It's interesting that at 7:25 you mention the gain staging but you haven't really tested it. Well I have and I can tell you that it has major issues exactly in this regard. The headroom is way to little, especially with the supplied lav mic, which is too hot for the ADC. I recorded a classical singer and the transmitter was set to zero gain and still the signal was constantly near the clipping point. There is a serious design flaw here and Deity needs to address this.
I recently got the deity theos and i have some unanswered questions and confirmations. I'd be glad if you could help me out: 1. In the Workstation menu, i usually see one of my transmitters in a submenu called unallocated. Is that normal or i need to do something? 2. In the time code menu, the TC sync is grayed out till i change TC settings before i can sync, right? 3. Can the antennas on the receiver be repositioned by loosening the screw? Thank you!
Thanks for that review. How did you setup the gain staging for the C70. What dB did you dial on the TX and on the RX for your audio feed into the camera?
It's not that it's not powerful it's that it's like buying a car that has a speed governor on it, sure your speedometer says you can do 200 but the governor won't let you do 50.
That may be the case for you, but for me the transmitter size, battery life, frequency options and signal robustness all all reasonable ranges are also very important!
I can't believe we are still saying things like "jam the timecode"... audio should be baked in video with multiple tracks.. not just mono or left/right.. in 2024.. no more "syncing up" 🤷♂
You have a point, but there are two sides to the equation. I think on smaller projects that only have two channels of audio clients usually always prefer to have a quality audio mix to camera for tight turn arounds. Some entry level cinema camera like the C70 and FX9 also offer up to four channels for this workflow. Especially with tight turnarounds However on larger scale projects that are multi camera with multi channel poly files on a separate recorder time code jamming/sync is a must have which is a huge time saver in post and offers the ultimate in flexibility.
The advantages of running a double system faaaaaar outweigh the convenience of avoiding sync. There’s a reason that every film production does it that way.
Nice overview - always appreciate your perspective.
Thanks Curtis, I think this very well could end up being a full-time accessory on my C70!
Thanks for the experiences, and Merry Christmas and happy new year.🎉
You bet! Happy New Year @marioivas7886!
still trying to figure out the best way to mount this system with the timecode gen on the c70... but still maintain my top handle for an easy rig. nice review :)
Thank you @MrMoviePhoneEx. Nice to see another C70 user here! Depending upon what your using your top shoe mount on your handle for you could do the configuration we use here which is a touch of bit soft side Velcro on the DTRX to attach the TC-1 providing it doesn’t interfere with your grip. Cheers!
The Deity system is about perfect for me. And the setup and syncing is brilliant. Even the case and all the included accessories make this a bargain.
Nice concise summary. Many nice and a few ground breaking features. As you said the app has smashed the glass on all other wireless apps. Seems perfect for camera mounted sound systems, but not bag use. That it does not have a compressor concerns me as I am used to old Lectro analog that has 30 dB of compression available on transmissions. I've never once heard clipping in 10 years of use (never heard an RF hit either).
Thanks Allen. No RF hits! We gotta get you out to Atlanta to break those Lectros in a bit! 😃
@@MichaelWynneCAS Yeah, I'm sure my RX's would melt down in the ATL. But the Richmond metro area is pretty tame for blk 21 and 22.
Always really appreciate your insight Michael; thanks for taking the time to make these reviews. Do you think they'd work OK as a budget IFB? The manual hints that the receiver can output a headphone level signal but it's not super clear. Thanks again!!!
Hi Will, I appreciate that! As far as IFB, I did listen to the headphone out on the receiver, and things sounded good. The total output volume was a little low in comparison to my R1a’s and there was a little more of delay. Providing those two things aren’t limiting for the end-user. There should be no issue using it as an IFB.
Michael Wynne, it would be interesting if someone tested third-party lav's on the Deity Theos. Sennheiser, DPA and Sanken are superior mic's with the same connectivity but will they work? Can you plug one of those in and see how it sounds?
My experience in the gain staging has been confusing. Noise floor feels a little high but maybe it's just me.
It took me a moment to figure out the proper gain staging as well Nathan however, I haven’t experienced any issues with noise floor yet however.
This system really is great for the money. For me it's my first wireless system I own. I have used other systems like Sennheiser, Rode etc but this system really speaks to the workflow I want with wireless which is fast deployment with or without my audio bag near me all the time. I'm not going to say it was a "destined" purchase but it really was the best purchase for me, my budget and workflow. Now time will tell if it holds up for the next year or so.
Thanks for sharing @redjrjames! Smart thinking to see how a system can be powerful with or without the sound bag, you never know what kind of problem you'll need to solve on set! Cheers!
Can you time code jam with just the theos system by itself, or do you need to get the time code generators also ?
Yes, you can jam the Theos transmitters by themselves
What's the timecode running into? Another input?
@Jimberjuniorlearning Great question, there are two Deity TC-1’s. One is running into the C70 TC BNC input and the other is running into a GH5 sending audio TC AUX into the audio input which can be converted to actual TC in the edit software.
whats needed to connect shure twinplex tl48 mics that are mdot to this deity theos system? or does it come with connector piece ?
It's interesting that at 7:25 you mention the gain staging but you haven't really tested it. Well I have and I can tell you that it has major issues exactly in this regard. The headroom is way to little, especially with the supplied lav mic, which is too hot for the ADC. I recorded a classical singer and the transmitter was set to zero gain and still the signal was constantly near the clipping point. There is a serious design flaw here and Deity needs to address this.
I recently got the deity theos and i have some unanswered questions and confirmations. I'd be glad if you could help me out:
1. In the Workstation menu, i usually see one of my transmitters in a submenu called unallocated. Is that normal or i need to do something?
2. In the time code menu, the TC sync is grayed out till i change TC settings before i can sync, right?
3. Can the antennas on the receiver be repositioned by loosening the screw?
Thank you!
Thanks for that review. How did you setup the gain staging for the C70. What dB did you dial on the TX and on the RX for your audio feed into the camera?
i bought a pair great geatures but the fact that it does not have a limiter is a HUGE minus
@PhilipSaliscan I could totally see that in some instances
Maybe I missed this, but is your Audio eq’d in post?
@heythatsjeremy yes! Part of the joy of being able to make these videos for is a proper post mix!
Love the Theos
Well, that deserves a heart then!
How would you compare these to the G4’s??
Analog will be more reliable providing you find a clear frequency.
Which lav was used ?
@benchdown the deity W.Lav pro
It's not that it's not powerful it's that it's like buying a car that has a speed governor on it, sure your speedometer says you can do 200 but the governor won't let you do 50.
The most important thing about wireless audio systems is the distance they can work without breaking the signal. Everything else is just advertising.
That may be the case for you, but for me the transmitter size, battery life, frequency options and signal robustness all all reasonable ranges are also very important!
Oo snap
I know right!
I can't believe we are still saying things like "jam the timecode"... audio should be baked in video with multiple tracks.. not just mono or left/right.. in 2024.. no more "syncing up" 🤷♂
You have a point, but there are two sides to the equation. I think on smaller projects that only have two channels of audio clients usually always prefer to have a quality audio mix to camera for tight turn arounds. Some entry level cinema camera like the C70 and FX9 also offer up to four channels for this workflow. Especially with tight turnarounds However on larger scale projects that are multi camera with multi channel poly files on a separate recorder time code jamming/sync is a must have which is a huge time saver in post and offers the ultimate in flexibility.
The advantages of running a double system faaaaaar outweigh the convenience of avoiding sync. There’s a reason that every film production does it that way.