Stefan Gotteswinter Thanks Stefan, LOL, the ways are the most accurate part of the machine. I didn't even bother to put them on the surface plate and check them. No need, I know they are great👌. I got loads still to learn. I'm very excited about this little grinder.
If you watch Robrenz you see that even the quick and dirty jobs he does are finished off to near mirror perfect, even if the only person to ever see it is himself.
I found one of these that was over 100 years old and probably spent half of that outside in the rain. It followed me home of course. I hope to get around to restoring it in 2022. From what I can tell not much has changed in the models over the years. Very glad you've posted these, I think they'll be a big help for me when I get around to restoring and using mine.
Great job on the grinder repair Steve, and way cool of Robin to grind those machine ways for ya! I like that new dust collector. I have an old blower type vacuum that I’d like to convert into a dust collector, just like how Keith Fenner has his setup. That grinder will be great for making those shaper and lathe tools.
Abom79 Yeah that collector was a awesome gift. Ken could not have offered it at a better time. I am really going to enjoy this machine. Still got a lot to learn. Glad to see you are doing well Adam.
Glad to help out Steve and thanks for the shout out and congratulations on almost 12000 subs. You will be passing me soon. Many below have warned about the wheel direction and the hand of nut on the wheel adaptor. BUT remember the nut on the spindle that holds the wheel adaptor on can unscrew if run the wrong direction. With your VFD you can make a wheel behave softer (more self sharpening) by running it slower than standard SFM, and vice versa. If you spin the side rake rotation 180 so the tool is on the bottom and still put the tool in with the cutting edge up you will gain a lot of vertical capacity. Great video and I can tell you have the ability to pick this up quickly. ATB, Robin
ROBRENZ Thanks you very much Robin👍. I never gave wheel rotation vs hub thread direction much attention. Just thought the keyed washers would not let them back off. I'll be mindful of that from now on👍. A wheel comming off could make for a bad day. One of my friends also mentioned my vni-vise position issue. Sometimes the answer to a issue can be in my face and I will look over it.😃. Thanks again Robin, I appreciate your help very much.
steve gale I took it as an angry disagreement. You said "that's bullshit" instead of coming across a little more civil by saying maybe (that's incorrect). You could be right in your assessment in the correct way of proper grinding practices. I don't know you from a hole in the ground. Rob Renzetti on the other hand is a well known and well respected machinist who has very high praise from what looks to be the other most respected people in the same practices here on UA-cam. Who I'm I to disagreed? Have a nice day!
steve gale I'm not sure if he is just a machinist, he has said what it was in another video of his experience. I have no doubt, by your resume, that you know what your talking about. On the contrary, it is clear to me now, you have extensive experience, especially with being a tool maker with years of experience. What you explained more clearly to me in your last post has convinced me what you say makes since, so no more arguments from me. Lol! I'm not sure if you've watched RobRenz. He has a very well put together series on grinding, he seems to know his stuff. Possibly his recommendations to Steve. applies to that certain operation. Anyway, just a novice here hoping to achieve a fraction of knowledge from some well respected guys here in the field. Hey, maybe you can make some videos and add to this great community?
393stroker I feel no need to defend myself but I don't want you to be misled. Grinding wheel SFM has a direct affect on the dynamic hardness of the wheel. Slower makes a wheel act softer and faster makes a wheel act harder. Not because I say so but because grinding wheel manufacturers and grinding experts publish documents with this phenomenon clearly described. An example being the Winterthur handbook of creep feed and surface grinding. It is only for fine tuning, not to make a wheel that is way off in hardness work.
I am proud to say that I am an oiler I meticulously oil every point of my machines every single time I use them I not only do that but I wipe the old oil off carefully and reapply oil on Waze and oil fittings I've even built and proved oilers for many machines so I won't forget. It's a matter of pride
That is an incredible grinder you've got, great to see it going back together. It takes some time to figure out all the feeds and speeds with a new/old machine. Very nice indeed!
Nice to see your dad is still in your life and doing well. You have a beautiful wife and a pretty good dog. It takes a good man to have so many blessings. I believe if you continue to grind at the same setting till there are no more sparks and then advance your setting and grind until it sparks out each time, it will do better for you. By advancing every stroke without sparking out causes the next grind to be a little heavier especially when the surface is large. Say hello to your dad, I am 71 and I hope I make it to 80 still doing as good as he is. I enjoy your videos, it's nice to see a young man making good use of his mind.
Learning a T&C grinder is like a trade on its own , trial & error & lots of reference books !!! hope it goes well . My one is in the corner of the shop waiting for a minor birthday .
Nice to see it up and running Steve, you will have it mastered in no time.Very cool to see your dad out working with your family. My dad has been gone now for over 3 years but he was always involved in every project I had going on. Seeing your dad with you guys brought back some very fond memories.
Steve it is great to watch your videos and how you learn as you go and show us along the way you and many other creators have inspired me to want to start up my own machine shop and try making videos thank you and keep up the great work
Woo-hoo! Great to see the machine do some work - likely for the first time in 20 years. I look forward to any future videos on your process of learning the art of tool grinding, as I believe you are right that it takes a lot of experience to be very good at it. I'm sure there is both art and science. The old KO Lee definitely found its proper home. Made my night. Be well and keep it up! Sandy.
Wow, Steve. I just aquired a model B360 at auction and have been going back to re-watch these videos, now that I have an actual, near likeness, in front of me and I must say, you are going to be saving me tons of time, effort and frustration, as I get to cleaning up and learning this machine. Awesome job and content. Cheers, Gary
You will really be able to grind up some nice squared up tool bits now! That will make for a way cleaner job than doing them by hand. Grinding chip breakers in them will be the interesting part o figure out. Glad you got it up and running and congrats on the subs milestone! You might be to 20k by the end of the year!
I think it was better than a tutorial. A tutorial is made by someone who has learned something and is an expert. It is much more interesting to watch an intelligent beginner at work. You share all the warts and I for one appreciate the effort and the sincerity. I look forward to watching you sharpen an end mill :)
great to see the grinder up and running, Im sure that you'll be getting your use out of that for sharpening endmills and such for the mill pretty soon. Also, thanks for the shoutout and for letting us stop by.
I think we all have so much to lean some more then others. Steve your sticker look great good job on them. Love the video’s I look forward to them. Thank you for your time.
Dear Steve....love your Videos your shop and family.... please beware of turning the grinding wheel in the opposite direction...this can loose the fixeturing nut. That's the reason why the nut is left handed ... to tighten if something gets wrong..... best regards from Switzerland 🇨🇭 Rolf
That sticker would make an awesome gift to your patrons! *hint hint* Looking forward to following along in your process of learning your new cutter grinder.
Brother you are so lucky to have your father I lost mine when I was 16 and it's been a terrible thing in my life I never really got to speak to my father as an adult with experience because I was a kid when he died. There's so many things that I want to say to him I'm almost 60 myself now and he died when he was only 52 years old. I miss him everyday we had a very good relationship but like I said when I became a real adult I really felt the absence of him
if you are running the spindle counter to the spindles normal direction it might pay to gronk up both nuts a little, the one holding the wheel on the hub could unwind. all clockwise running grinder spindles have lefthand threads. of course if you got a keyed washer on the hub between the nut and the grinding wheel then forget what I just said.hi from NZ...
I agree, while turning the wheel the opposite direction that the nut tightens is correct, it is not possible on a T&C grinder that needs to turn both directions. Do not try going the other way without the toothed washer installed. I have not seen loosening with the toothed washer installed.
Nice work Steve, ain't it fun learning how to grind? I am at pretty much the same stage as you with a grinder. I did find however that a pink 46 grit open grain gives a great finish without loading up as much, just the opposite of what you would think. Wheel balance also makes quite a difference since I got a couple of wheel hubs with weights the tiny "waves" have almost completely disappeared. Keep up the grinding it gets easier!
Thanks Steve, for sharing and for letting us learn along with you. Oh and your grinder's "sloppy" paint job pales in comparison to what some hack did to my Monoset. Not only did they paint over all kinds of swarf and caked on grinding dust, but also directly over the dials on some of the lesser used handwheels...
Vacuum cleaner when grinding! GOOD GUY! no One cares about keeping down the dust, but it's the first thing to do in order to Save your lungs and your machines Everything you do, you do It right Very talented machinist
great video ! just a small tip if you try to grind with the wheel rotation into the edge it will make less burr and keep the edge cooler by sinking the heat into the body of the tool
Nice to see someone that takes the time to make sure their grinder is right!! I have two Cincinnati #2s and an monoseset took me forever to get them right!! I would like to know where you got your holding fixture. I can’t find them anywhere!!!
for your spark catcher.. search for Stack boot or duct wye.. why a duct wye... the sparks can continue straight into the wye.. hit an elbow and go down into a trap for the grinding dust and metal fragments.. the upper branch of the wye.. is for the vacuum hose to suck the dust out of the airstream.. its just a thought.. or combine the pair of stack boot and duct wye.. you may need a reducing cone to go down to your hose size.. you may want to make the entire thing removable so you can hang it on the wall by a hook..
That machine starts to get addicting after you really get into it! There is no many cutters you can't grind with it if you have the needed attachments and fixtures for it
That was really interesting. I’ve never used a grinder like that other than a bench grinder so it’s great to see you going through the process of learning how to use it. Your stickers are really awesome, I definitely want to buy one if or when you start selling them. Great content as always Steve. Look forward to the next one. Take care.
Robin is like a scientist of machining he's amazing and one hand he makes you want to do better but it's kind of off-putting too cuz you don't think you'll ever reach even close to his level so it's a little depressing LOL I feel that way about your shop as a matter of fact because I will never have the tools that you have right now I'm trying to buy a Cincinnati cutter grinder or some surface grinder that has facility to do cylindrical grinding as well and neither one of them are the exactly what I need. I really need an OD grinder and a surface grinder but I don't have the room for it so I'm stuck right now not knowing what to do I found a Cincinnati number 2 cutter grinder for unbelievably cheap but I'm hesitant to buy it cuz I don't know if I'll be able to do the small amount of tapers that I want to do I'm told that I could do them with the right fixtures but I have no experience
Great vid Steve. I've been eager to see the next step on this machine. Sorry to not see you at the Bash (Robin, Adam, Keith, Keith and Stephen too, not to mention a couple notable Canadians). I am really looking forward to seeing what else you come up w on this machine.
Glad to see the machine in operation. 2 paperback books that might be of interest are Number 38 “Tool and Cutter Sharpening” and Number 41 “Grinding, Honing, and Polishing” of the Workshop Practice Series from Special Interest Model Books available from Amazon.
Looking good, Watching others use that style of head, they seem to spin both axes of the head 180 deg and grind close to the center of the head, it might be stiffer and allow you to reduce the height so you can do all 3 sides on one setup.
Thanks for the video. During most of your grinding you can hear a chirping sound. Clearly this is a vibration between the wheel and the work. Since I am confident that you have clamped everything down well and the wheel is balanced well then it can be either the cutting conditions like liquid cooling on or off or it is an elastic deformation (lack of rigidity) of your setup. Your grinding head is on top of a column which has a limited rigidity and your work sits on top of a tall grinding vice with two joints which is probably the least rigid link in the chain from wheel to work. So one remedy could be to replace that work holding vice by something more rigid, like something low clamped to the table. Try that just as an experiment. Clamp your work on a 2" spacer block directly to the table and see if that chirping changes or disappears. Another approach could be to play with the rpm since you have VFD now. Your setup like a tuning fork has its own natural frequency that it wants to vibrate in. If the rotational frequency (rpm) of the wheel matches the natural frequency (or a multiple thereof) of the setup then the vibration increases markedly. However if you tune the rotational speed of the wheel between two multiples instead of directly on a multiple or below the lowest natural frequency the resulting amplitude of vibration is reduced or even disappears. I think if you play with the rpm and listen to that chirping noise you can hear it becoming more or less. However, if your setup changes or even the mass of the work changes the natural frequency of your setup changes as well and you have to tune your rpm again. The better solution is to increase rigidity that helps helps at any rpm. And it also helps if you don't stop the grinding wheel after dressing but let it run until you cut. That is particularly true for older grinders with plain spindle bearings with an oil film in between.
Always up with the sun, arn't you. Out here it is 3:30 AM. Happy to see you get the grinder going. We are up at this time of the morning to head for BarZ. Hoping you were going. We will be posting our experience at the BarZ next week on our channel. Happy Machining!
Jeff Erdman Good morning Jeff. I try not to waste my time sleeping all the time. I'll have plenty of time for that when I take my forever dirt nap.😃 Glad to see you are going to the bash. Wish I could have went.
I’m like you, I haven’t done much grinding. But if I can offer an observation, when Robin or Keith are grinding on something it sounds ,and the spark pattern is different. Maybe the back off on feed? I love your show and hope I don’t come off as a troll. Best regards.
David Moore Alfred Lyon has the best videos on cutter grinding, at least that I've found. After getting some practice like this I would go back and re-watch all of his to note such things again. Good point!
Don't be so often picking away at your lack of experience, Steve. Look, I've spent my life (well, 40 years of it) making stuff from metal. What it all comes down to is using the equipment and tools we have at hand, and our eyes, ears and brains. Yours seem to work well and you have shown yourself to be wise enough to spot your mistakes, analyze them and learn from them. That means you are already an experienced machinist. And even after 40 years, I still make the occasional mistake, and hardly a day passes when I do not learn something. Your most important thing learned is what I just heard you say, "err on the side of caution". Enjoy your new (to you) grinder.
That's all pure win. I think it will pay for itself pretty quickly, between the time saved grinding tools, and being able to resharpen tools you just couldn't before. That counterclockwise wheel rotation would drive me nuts though. Rationally I know its just the same, but... it looks so wrong!
There is the right way, the wrong way, and the Summers way! :-> Every time I hear this kind of thing I think of the movie ENSIGN PULVER, who, among other things, was the Laundry Officer on his ship, so the crew stated that all of their clothes were "Pulverized"...
Steve, you can dress an angle on the cup wheel, or pivot the head 1.5 degrees away from the direction of grind. That way your only grinding on the outside edge.
about the angle of aproach thing , it might be better to grind of the other end of the cupped wheel , you have a clockwise centerbolt on that stone and running it in reverse could work it loose
Awesome grinder and video. Thanks. Can you (or anyone) identify that "universal grinding fixture" I have been actively (and unsuccessfully) looking for one like that. Thanks!
Hi Thanks for the video I saw that you made a wheel balancer in your shop tour I have also just got a grinder and have no idea what I am doing Would love to know how you balance etc your wheels Thanks
Watch Suburban tool's channel and Stan over at the channel Shadon HKW. I do it like these guys. Stan has a good video on how to do it. Thanks for watching Douglas
Now that you are operational, check out "Oxtools" he did a shop organization tour and showed a good way to store and organize your wheels. Because you know wheels are like potato chips, you can't have just one. Good show!
I love to see the learning process Steve, I'm not sure if I'll ever have tools like those but it's still really interesting to watch! Keep it up! PS: I personally find the video transitions a tad distracting, make sure not to overdo it :)
Never apologize it is a sign of weakness (quote from an old John Wayne movie) You gotta start somewhere and the best way to learn is just get in there and do it. I like you know just enough to be dangerous with a cutter/grinder. Most of my stuff is surface ground. I am sure your viewers and some research will give you an education. I think that old machine is many times over better than when you got it. I noticed you are exercising your second amendment rights......... Good for you.
Glad to it going back together so well! I believe you would do better getting a few good ratchets before an adjustable pin wrench. Just kidding. Keep up the good work.
Hi, I think you should be very careful when reversing the rotation because you can unscrew the fixing nut and you had the travel need to use the other side of the wheel so use that instead of reversing the rotation, because you know that will tighten the nut.
I feel like a criminal Steve. I just finished tearing apart a K.O Lee grinder w a 5C collet powered workhead and sold it for scrap cause I couldn't find a buyer and needed the shop space.
Steve, it looks to me as though the cup wheel may have a slight bit of run out on it. I judging this by the pattern of loading on the wheel. I’m thinking that the wheel needs to be trued up by a light dressing each time you change wheels. I am like you, I have no experience in precision grinding, I may be way off base.
John Brock I seen it also and I agree. Seems like even if you true a wheel and never remove it from the hub but remove it from the grinder it will develop a small amount of runout just from removing it and reinstalling.
send samples of the carbide dust to tom lipton. i'd be curious to see how he would measure how fine the grindings are and I would like to see him try and make lapping compound with it.
Thank you. I see shars and pen tool has them. I just purchased a universal tool and cutter grinder. Going to pick it up this weekend. That fixture looks like it works extremely well so I’ll have to get one. Have you found a good fixture sharpening large drill bits?
I wonder if you need to use one wheel for roughing and a finer one for finishing? What about a small hand held sprayer, like the ones people use to clean their glasses, for a bit of coolant? I'm not an expert either. Lots of good grinding info on the toolanddieguy.com both for surface grinders and deckel type cutter grinders. Look forward to watching you get this stuff dialed in. Thanks for posting.
Worried about you running that grinding wheel without a wheel cover plate. I've never seen a wheel explosion only heard of them but it would be a good safety investment. Most of the work is done on the bottom of the wheel so a cover plate wouldn't interfere in most cases. Other than that it's a great machine.
At work I take a Norbide dresser and angle the inside of the cup to leave about an eighth of inch of the stone. A fine stone will load up faster than a course stone and a fine stone will create higher temps quicker. We use course stones to dress our cutters and a medium feed rate. Feeding to slow is not good either. You will eventually find the sweet spot.
@steve summers, this guy is spot on. Sit down and watch Suburban Tool's channel, Don Baily(owner of the company), has a great amount of info on dressing wheels and what not, mainly surface grinder/o.d. grinder based, but still relevant to this application. Also Stan at Bar Z, That Lazy Machinist, I can't think of any others off the top of my head. Also it will take longer but try doing no more than .001" depth of cuts with around .025" step increments, it will take longer, but you will have a better finish and longer wheel life, vs trying to take .001" off the entire face at a time. On my little surface grinder that's what I do. At work I run a 20x60 Landis O.D. grinder, and that's a whole different game, I square the ends of the rolls I grind in the same way as described by the guy who made the comment I'm replying to, it's a fun game balancing heat, not loading the wheel, and not having the wheel break down too fast, but I have a 20hp motor pushing that spindle lol. Though when I'm plunging in a profile into a roll, it's 35rpms on the spindle and no more than .003" ipm in feed, that's as fast as I can push the old girl before she loads up/can't break down fast enough, thus a shitty chattery grind.
IF!! it doesn't/ sound/feel right the method is probably wrong. The "stalled"wheel should tighten the the attaching nut. Beware the keyboard experts, books and posted videos are info. I find my ears/hearing tells me a lot when grinding. .
Steve, are you interested in doing carbide end mill sharpening? I have a good source for used carbide end mill and drills. Condition ranges from barely perceptible wear (which is too much for the defense contractors who sell these as scrap) to barely recognizable (but could still be ground into a new form). $12/pound. Seems you don't have the fixtures for that work yet, right? If you decide you want to try your hand at it and don't have anything on hand already let me know and I'll get some for you. (Jon/glueandsparks)
Jon Miller Hey Jon, good to see you. I do have the fixtures for endmills. I have lots of old HSS and a few carbide endmills to practice on. I will keep you in mind. I know you got the hook up👍👌
Really? Am i missing something? Do you live in a REALLY bad neighborhood? Lol just noticed the weaponry your carrying while working on your machine, dont wanna get jacked for your budget grinder i guess. 😆 anyways was a good video learned alot thanks
You are responsible for your own safety, it's not the grinder or any material item that is in need of protection. LoL, Surely you are smarter than that. It's life that's worth protecting. I'm 1st line protection for me and my family. You can wait for the good guys . It's our job, not the police. Maybe you live in a place where you have no other choice? . I wouldn't want you hiding behind me. Edit: You and your family are more than welcome to line up behind me, no hard feelings.
@@SteveSummers ofcourse life is worth protecting, i guess you never know but it just caught me off gaurd, luckily no need to carry where im at although i do beleive every home should have one, for the very reason you stated, but i was in a jolly mood earlier didnt mean anything by it and was clearly joking about protecting your grinder lol, but yes i get it, just dont see much of it where im at. I suppose im more worried about night time breaking and entering than during the day, even though criminals can strike at any time
nolan knoepfle I thought about that but assumed that the keyed washers between the nut and wheel would stop the nut from comming loose.... Like I said, I'm not experienced in grinding and may be completely wrong 😃. Thanks for watching and commenting. I appreciate the heads up.
Anthony Vancampen LOL, your correct. With a machine like this having 100 ways to do any one operation and being a 100% beginner it's easy to overlook the obvious. There are more than just one mistake/ easy problem solution that was overlooked when I made this video. And I am sure they will me more.😉 Thanks for watching.
WOW, I wasn't expecting an answer. I've enjoyed watching you bring the grinder to life. There was one other thing that occurred to me later, and that was that many grinding wheels have a preferred direction of rotation. One other thing to keep in mind, the only way not to make mistakes is to do nothing. It doesn't work very well since doing nothing is also a mistake.
Great to see that grinder back in action, the reground ways should be close to perfect ;)
Cant wait to see more on the grinder.
Stefan Gotteswinter Thanks Stefan, LOL, the ways are the most accurate part of the machine. I didn't even bother to put them on the surface plate and check them. No need, I know they are great👌. I got loads still to learn. I'm very excited about this little grinder.
If you watch Robrenz you see that even the quick and dirty jobs he does are finished off to near mirror perfect, even if the only person to ever see it is himself.
I found one of these that was over 100 years old and probably spent half of that outside in the rain. It followed me home of course. I hope to get around to restoring it in 2022. From what I can tell not much has changed in the models over the years. Very glad you've posted these, I think they'll be a big help for me when I get around to restoring and using mine.
Great job on the grinder repair Steve, and way cool of Robin to grind those machine ways for ya! I like that new dust collector. I have an old blower type vacuum that I’d like to convert into a dust collector, just like how Keith Fenner has his setup. That grinder will be great for making those shaper and lathe tools.
Abom79 Yeah that collector was a awesome gift. Ken could not have offered it at a better time.
I am really going to enjoy this machine. Still got a lot to learn. Glad to see you are doing well Adam.
Great Video Steve as always .I second that Glad to see your doing good Abom79 .
Glad to help out Steve and thanks for the shout out and congratulations on almost 12000 subs. You will be passing me soon.
Many below have warned about the wheel direction and the hand of nut on the wheel adaptor. BUT remember the nut on the spindle that holds the wheel adaptor on can unscrew if run the wrong direction. With your VFD you can make a wheel behave softer (more self sharpening) by running it slower than standard SFM, and vice versa. If you spin the side rake rotation 180 so the tool is on the bottom and still put the tool in with the cutting edge up you will gain a lot of vertical capacity. Great video and I can tell you have the ability to pick this up quickly.
ATB, Robin
ROBRENZ Thanks you very much Robin👍. I never gave wheel rotation vs hub thread direction much attention. Just thought the keyed washers would not let them back off. I'll be mindful of that from now on👍. A wheel comming off could make for a bad day. One of my friends also mentioned my vni-vise position issue. Sometimes the answer to a issue can be in my face and I will look over it.😃. Thanks again Robin, I appreciate your help very much.
steve gale Wow, so angry. If Rob Renzetti gives advice, I take out the pen and paper!
steve gale I took it as an angry disagreement. You said "that's bullshit" instead of coming across a little more civil by saying maybe (that's incorrect). You could be right in your assessment in the correct way of proper grinding practices. I don't know you from a hole in the ground. Rob Renzetti on the other hand is a well known and well respected machinist who has very high praise from what looks to be the other most respected people in the same practices here on UA-cam. Who I'm I to disagreed? Have a nice day!
steve gale I'm not sure if he is just a machinist, he has said what it was in another video of his experience. I have no doubt, by your resume, that you know what your talking about. On the contrary, it is clear to me now, you have extensive experience, especially with being a tool maker with years of experience. What you explained more clearly to me in your last post has convinced me what you say makes since, so no more arguments from me. Lol! I'm not sure if you've watched RobRenz. He has a very well put together series on grinding, he seems to know his stuff. Possibly his recommendations to Steve. applies to that certain operation. Anyway, just a novice here hoping to achieve a fraction of knowledge from some well respected guys here in the field. Hey, maybe you can make some videos and add to this great community?
393stroker I feel no need to defend myself but I don't want you to be misled. Grinding wheel SFM has a direct affect on the dynamic hardness of the wheel. Slower makes a wheel act softer and faster makes a wheel act harder. Not because I say so but because grinding wheel manufacturers and grinding experts publish documents with this phenomenon clearly described. An example being the Winterthur handbook of creep feed and surface grinding. It is only for fine tuning, not to make a wheel that is way off in hardness work.
I am proud to say that I am an oiler I meticulously oil every point of my machines every single time I use them I not only do that but I wipe the old oil off carefully and reapply oil on Waze and oil fittings I've even built and proved oilers for many machines so I won't forget. It's a matter of pride
That is an incredible grinder you've got, great to see it going back together. It takes some time to figure out all the feeds and speeds with a new/old machine. Very nice indeed!
Terrific to see the grinder working. Robin, a legend in his own time.
Good video, glad your Dad is still with you and able to get around. With all the rain you get the corn should be ready in a few weeks.
Nice to see your dad is still in your life and doing well. You have a beautiful wife and a pretty good dog. It takes a good man to have so many blessings. I believe if you continue to grind at the same setting till there are no more sparks and then advance your setting and grind until it sparks out each time, it will do better for you. By advancing every stroke without sparking out causes the next grind to be a little heavier especially when the surface is large. Say hello to your dad, I am 71 and I hope I make it to 80 still doing as good as he is. I enjoy your videos, it's nice to see a young man making good use of his mind.
Never apologize for the rain, it's a nice atmosphere. Wish we'd get some more here in KS!
Thanks for showing us your first grind job on the machine.
What a great little grinder! Love the sound of rain on a tin roof, takes me back.
Hi Steve,
It will be fun watching you on your new journey learning grinding.
Steve
Solid Rock Machine Shop Inc. Thanks Steve, not as easy as it looks. Take some time to get good on a machine like this
Always good to see everyone's better half in the videos,goodness gracious looks as if you've hit the jackpot,with your spouse&your dust collector
Joseph Wilson LOL, I won the wife lottery 😉
It's really awesome you were able to get Robin to grind your ways, I dare say there are few who would be better for the job.
Thanks Steve. I'm excited for you. Having that grinder will give you a ton of new ideas and projects.
The possibilities are endless!
Learning a T&C grinder is like a trade on its own , trial & error & lots of reference books !!! hope it goes well . My one is in the corner of the shop waiting for a minor birthday .
Max Grant Yes, I agree. Not as easy as one would think.
Nice to see it up and running Steve, you will have it mastered in no time.Very cool to see your dad out working with your family. My dad has been gone now for over 3 years but he was always involved in every project I had going on. Seeing your dad with you guys brought back some very fond memories.
Steve it is great to watch your videos and how you learn as you go and show us along the way you and many other creators have inspired me to want to start up my own machine shop and try making videos thank you and keep up the great work
That's good to hear. Start a shop and film the process. No better time than now. Thanks for watching man, I really appreciate it
Woo-hoo! Great to see the machine do some work - likely for the first time in 20 years.
I look forward to any future videos on your process of learning the art of tool grinding, as I believe you are right that it takes a lot of experience to be very good at it. I'm sure there is both art and science.
The old KO Lee definitely found its proper home. Made my night.
Be well and keep it up!
Sandy.
Wow, Steve. I just aquired a model B360 at auction and have been going back to re-watch these videos, now that I have an actual, near likeness, in front of me and I must say, you are going to be saving me tons of time, effort and frustration, as I get to cleaning up and learning this machine. Awesome job and content.
Cheers, Gary
You will really be able to grind up some nice squared up tool bits now! That will make for a way cleaner job than doing them by hand. Grinding chip breakers in them will be the interesting part o figure out. Glad you got it up and running and congrats on the subs milestone! You might be to 20k by the end of the year!
Looking forward to Steve's Stunt Grinding videos!
bcbloc02 Thanks Brian. 👍.
I think it was better than a tutorial. A tutorial is made by someone who has learned something and is an expert. It is much more interesting to watch an intelligent beginner at work. You share all the warts and I for one appreciate the effort and the sincerity. I look forward to watching you sharpen an end mill :)
great to see the grinder up and running, Im sure that you'll be getting your use out of that for sharpening endmills and such for the mill pretty soon. Also, thanks for the shoutout and for letting us stop by.
Chirpy's Tinkerings You are welcome Cory. I will try to send you those photos today if I can remember 😃
Torlo
I think we all have so much to lean some more then others. Steve your sticker look great good job on them. Love the video’s I look forward to them. Thank you for your time.
Dear Steve....love your Videos your shop and family.... please beware of turning the grinding wheel in the opposite direction...this can loose the fixeturing nut. That's the reason why the nut is left handed ... to tighten if something gets wrong..... best regards from Switzerland 🇨🇭
Rolf
Nice to see it running, great machine to have. The ways looked great!
That sticker would make an awesome gift to your patrons! *hint hint* Looking forward to following along in your process of learning your new cutter grinder.
Brother you are so lucky to have your father I lost mine when I was 16 and it's been a terrible thing in my life I never really got to speak to my father as an adult with experience because I was a kid when he died. There's so many things that I want to say to him I'm almost 60 myself now and he died when he was only 52 years old. I miss him everyday we had a very good relationship but like I said when I became a real adult I really felt the absence of him
if you are running the spindle counter to the spindles normal direction it might pay to gronk up both nuts a little, the one holding the wheel on the hub could unwind.
all clockwise running grinder spindles have lefthand threads.
of course if you got a keyed washer on the hub between the nut and the grinding wheel then forget what I just said.hi from NZ...
I agree, while turning the wheel the opposite direction that the nut tightens is correct, it is not possible on a T&C grinder that needs to turn both directions. Do not try going the other way without the toothed washer installed. I have not seen loosening with the toothed washer installed.
Great video. I, like you, am a novice at this. Sure appreciate seeing things from the viewpoint of a novice.
Nice work Steve, ain't it fun learning how to grind? I am at pretty much the same stage as you with a grinder. I did find however that a pink 46 grit open grain gives a great finish without loading up as much, just the opposite of what you would think. Wheel balance also makes quite a difference since I got a couple of wheel hubs with weights the tiny "waves" have almost completely disappeared. Keep up the grinding it gets easier!
Nice! You`ll getter figured bud. I`ve never run one either but it looks like fun. Thanks for the vid
You'll get there Steve. Some things you just have to jump in with both feet to learn. I have confidence you'll figure it out in short order.
Thanks Steve, for sharing and for letting us learn along with you. Oh and your grinder's "sloppy" paint job pales in comparison to what some hack did to my Monoset. Not only did they paint over all kinds of swarf and caked on grinding dust, but also directly over the dials on some of the lesser used handwheels...
Vacuum cleaner when grinding! GOOD GUY! no One cares about keeping down the dust, but it's the first thing to do in order to Save your lungs and your machines
Everything you do, you do It right
Very talented machinist
Officine Undici Thanks👍
great video ! just a small tip if you try to grind with the wheel rotation into the edge it will make less burr and keep the edge cooler by sinking the heat into the body of the tool
Nice to see someone that takes the time to make sure their grinder is right!! I have two Cincinnati #2s and an monoseset took me forever to get them right!! I would like to know where you got your holding fixture. I can’t find them anywhere!!!
Hmm glass jugs in KY....
Nice Job Steve - keep an coming.
_Dan_
for your spark catcher.. search for Stack boot or duct wye.. why a duct wye... the sparks can continue straight into the wye.. hit an elbow and go down into a trap for the grinding dust and metal fragments.. the upper branch of the wye.. is for the vacuum hose to suck the dust out of the airstream.. its just a thought.. or combine the pair of stack boot and duct wye.. you may need a reducing cone to go down to your hose size.. you may want to make the entire thing removable so you can hang it on the wall by a hook..
That machine starts to get addicting after you really get into it! There is no many cutters you can't grind with it if you have the needed attachments and fixtures for it
That was really interesting. I’ve never used a grinder like that other than a bench grinder so it’s great to see you going through the process of learning how to use it.
Your stickers are really awesome, I definitely want to buy one if or when you start selling them.
Great content as always Steve. Look forward to the next one. Take care.
Robin is like a scientist of machining he's amazing and one hand he makes you want to do better but it's kind of off-putting too cuz you don't think you'll ever reach even close to his level so it's a little depressing LOL I feel that way about your shop as a matter of fact because I will never have the tools that you have right now I'm trying to buy a Cincinnati cutter grinder or some surface grinder that has facility to do cylindrical grinding as well and neither one of them are the exactly what I need. I really need an OD grinder and a surface grinder but I don't have the room for it so I'm stuck right now not knowing what to do I found a Cincinnati number 2 cutter grinder for unbelievably cheap but I'm hesitant to buy it cuz I don't know if I'll be able to do the small amount of tapers that I want to do I'm told that I could do them with the right fixtures but I have no experience
Great vid Steve. I've been eager to see the next step on this machine. Sorry to not see you at the Bash (Robin, Adam, Keith, Keith and Stephen too, not to mention a couple notable Canadians). I am really looking forward to seeing what else you come up w on this machine.
How could I forget to mention Mr. Peer too.
Hi Steve you are doing good. nice machine.
Good job congrats on geter done
@Steve Summers, depending on your model vfd it would be possible to start the extraction and stop from the vfd when you use the machine. Cool video!
Glad to see the machine in operation. 2 paperback books that might be of interest are Number 38 “Tool and Cutter Sharpening” and Number 41 “Grinding, Honing, and Polishing” of the Workshop Practice Series from Special Interest Model Books available from Amazon.
Looking good, Watching others use that style of head, they seem to spin both axes of the head 180 deg and grind close to the center of the head, it might be stiffer and allow you to reduce the height so you can do all 3 sides on one setup.
Good head on your shoulders. You'll get there. Give yourself plenty of time. Pretty interesting video.
Fred Ohnemus Thank you👍
Thanks for the video. During most of your grinding you can hear a chirping sound. Clearly this is a vibration between the wheel and the work. Since I am confident that you have clamped everything down well and the wheel is balanced well then it can be either the cutting conditions like liquid cooling on or off or it is an elastic deformation (lack of rigidity) of your setup. Your grinding head is on top of a column which has a limited rigidity and your work sits on top of a tall grinding vice with two joints which is probably the least rigid link in the chain from wheel to work. So one remedy could be to replace that work holding vice by something more rigid, like something low clamped to the table. Try that just as an experiment. Clamp your work on a 2" spacer block directly to the table and see if that chirping changes or disappears.
Another approach could be to play with the rpm since you have VFD now. Your setup like a tuning fork has its own natural frequency that it wants to vibrate in. If the rotational frequency (rpm) of the wheel matches the natural frequency (or a multiple thereof) of the setup then the vibration increases markedly. However if you tune the rotational speed of the wheel between two multiples instead of directly on a multiple or below the lowest natural frequency the resulting amplitude of vibration is reduced or even disappears. I think if you play with the rpm and listen to that chirping noise you can hear it becoming more or less. However, if your setup changes or even the mass of the work changes the natural frequency of your setup changes as well and you have to tune your rpm again. The better solution is to increase rigidity that helps helps at any rpm.
And it also helps if you don't stop the grinding wheel after dressing but let it run until you cut. That is particularly true for older grinders with plain spindle bearings with an oil film in between.
Nice RRA shirt,that's in a town by me.Actually my friend does work there,He's a tool maker at a factory we work at.great video as usual!!
Always up with the sun, arn't you. Out here it is 3:30 AM.
Happy to see you get the grinder going.
We are up at this time of the morning to head for BarZ.
Hoping you were going. We will be posting our experience at the BarZ next week on our channel. Happy Machining!
Jeff Erdman Good morning Jeff. I try not to waste my time sleeping all the time. I'll have plenty of time for that when I take my forever dirt nap.😃 Glad to see you are going to the bash. Wish I could have went.
Love the grinder! You may want to ring the wheel before you install it.
I sure want to ad yur sticker to my board .. Great share , that grinder work awesome now ..
ShawnMrFixitlee Email me at Noel.steve15@gmail.com
I’m like you, I haven’t done much grinding. But if I can offer an observation, when Robin or Keith are grinding on something it sounds ,and the spark pattern is different. Maybe the back off on feed? I love your show and hope I don’t come off as a troll. Best regards.
David Moore Alfred Lyon has the best videos on cutter grinding, at least that I've found. After getting some practice like this I would go back and re-watch all of his to note such things again. Good point!
Don't be so often picking away at your lack of experience, Steve. Look, I've spent my life (well, 40 years of it) making stuff from metal. What it all comes down to is using the equipment and tools we have at hand, and our eyes, ears and brains. Yours seem to work well and you have shown yourself to be wise enough to spot your mistakes, analyze them and learn from them. That means you are already an experienced machinist. And even after 40 years, I still make the occasional mistake, and hardly a day passes when I do not learn something. Your most important thing learned is what I just heard you say, "err on the side of caution". Enjoy your new (to you) grinder.
That's all pure win. I think it will pay for itself pretty quickly, between the time saved grinding tools, and being able to resharpen tools you just couldn't before.
That counterclockwise wheel rotation would drive me nuts though. Rationally I know its just the same, but... it looks so wrong!
That hand portable 9mm horizontal boring machine with on demand single use bits is pretty snazzy.
Seth Bracken Yeah Seth 10 +1 holes on demand. 😃 100%ready to go at all times day or night.
Seth Bracken Just keep in mind it tends to bore slightly oversized.
anonymic79 LOL depends on the operator. I tend to get accurate results.😃
Jon Miller I believe it could classified as a tapered boring.
There is the right way, the wrong way, and the Summers way! :-> Every time I hear this kind of thing I think of the movie ENSIGN PULVER, who, among other things, was the Laundry Officer on his ship, so the crew stated that all of their clothes were "Pulverized"...
Steve, you can dress an angle on the cup wheel, or pivot the head 1.5 degrees away from the direction of grind. That way your only grinding on the outside edge.
about the angle of aproach thing , it might be better to grind of the other end of the cupped wheel , you have a clockwise centerbolt on that stone and running it in reverse could work it loose
Awesome grinder and video. Thanks. Can you (or anyone) identify that "universal grinding fixture" I have been actively (and unsuccessfully) looking for one like that. Thanks!
Hi
Thanks for the video
I saw that you made a wheel balancer in your shop tour
I have also just got a grinder and have no idea what I am doing
Would love to know how you balance etc your wheels
Thanks
Watch Suburban tool's channel and Stan over at the channel Shadon HKW. I do it like these guys. Stan has a good video on how to do it. Thanks for watching Douglas
Doing good, gotta start somewhere.
Noticed the carver lab press in the background, I just picked one up from a university salvage sale. Do you get good use from it?
Should spend the money on some CBN wheels. I did for mine and haven’t looked back. Way less mess.
Now that you are operational, check out "Oxtools" he did a shop organization tour and showed a good way to store and organize your wheels. Because you know wheels are like potato chips, you can't have just one. Good show!
Craig L. Young I seen the video where he had some wheel holders made. Nice way to keep the wheels safe and organized 👍. Thanks Craig
I love to see the learning process Steve, I'm not sure if I'll ever have tools like those but it's still really interesting to watch!
Keep it up!
PS: I personally find the video transitions a tad distracting, make sure not to overdo it :)
Looks really good. I have some discs , what spindle size do you need?
Never apologize it is a sign of weakness (quote from an old John Wayne movie) You gotta start somewhere and the best way to learn is just get in there and do it. I like you know just enough to be dangerous with a cutter/grinder. Most of my stuff is surface ground. I am sure your viewers and some research will give you an education. I think that old machine is many times over better than when you got it. I noticed you are exercising your second amendment rights......... Good for you.
Glad to it going back together so well! I believe you would do better getting a few good ratchets before an adjustable pin wrench. Just kidding. Keep up the good work.
Hi, I think you should be very careful when reversing the rotation because you can unscrew the fixing nut and you had the travel need to use the other side of the wheel so use that instead of reversing the rotation, because you know that will tighten the nut.
I feel like a criminal Steve. I just finished tearing apart a K.O Lee grinder w a 5C collet powered workhead and sold it for scrap cause I couldn't find a buyer and needed the shop space.
Thanks Robin!!!
Steve, it looks to me as though the cup wheel may have a slight bit of run out on it. I judging this by the pattern of loading on the wheel. I’m thinking that the wheel needs to be trued up by a light dressing each time you change wheels.
I am like you, I have no experience in precision grinding, I may be way off base.
John Brock I seen it also and I agree. Seems like even if you true a wheel and never remove it from the hub but remove it from the grinder it will develop a small amount of runout just from removing it and reinstalling.
I always consider this matter of oiling no matter who's machine. And yes I treat rentals well
Capillary action Steve ..... :)
send samples of the carbide dust to tom lipton. i'd be curious to see how he would measure how fine the grindings are and I would like to see him try and make lapping compound with it.
What type of surface grinders is that
Love that hand gun your packing 👍I wish I was a American because here in Canada we have shit gun laws.You produce great videos keep up the good work
Thanks, I enjoy making the videos . I appreciate you watching.
What model is your machine,I think it’s a KO Lee but just wondering. Thanks
I really like that fixture that you have for grinding lathe tooling. What model is it?
It's called a universal vise. They are several on ebay👍
Thank you. I see shars and pen tool has them. I just purchased a universal tool and cutter grinder. Going to pick it up this weekend. That fixture looks like it works extremely well so I’ll have to get one. Have you found a good fixture sharpening large drill bits?
I wonder if you need to use one wheel for roughing and a finer one for finishing? What about a small hand held sprayer, like the ones people use to clean their glasses, for a bit of coolant? I'm not an expert either. Lots of good grinding info on the toolanddieguy.com both for surface grinders and deckel type cutter grinders. Look forward to watching you get this stuff dialed in. Thanks for posting.
LOL I noticed your Glock boring device there on your hip
Hammer0f Thor 😃👍
@@SteveSummers any friend of Glock is a friend of mine
How are you balancing your grinding wheels
Worried about you running that grinding wheel without a wheel cover plate. I've never seen a wheel explosion only heard of them but it would be a good safety investment. Most of the work is done on the bottom of the wheel so a cover plate wouldn't interfere in most cases. Other than that it's a great machine.
Stan Z. (IIRC) mentioned feeding into the wheel like that for the same reason.
The rain noise is no problem at all to me.
At work I take a Norbide dresser and angle the inside of the cup to leave about an eighth of inch of the stone. A fine stone will load up faster than a course stone and a fine stone will create higher temps quicker. We use course stones to dress our cutters and a medium feed rate. Feeding to slow is not good either. You will eventually find the sweet spot.
@steve summers, this guy is spot on. Sit down and watch Suburban Tool's channel, Don Baily(owner of the company), has a great amount of info on dressing wheels and what not, mainly surface grinder/o.d. grinder based, but still relevant to this application.
Also Stan at Bar Z, That Lazy Machinist, I can't think of any others off the top of my head.
Also it will take longer but try doing no more than .001" depth of cuts with around .025" step increments, it will take longer, but you will have a better finish and longer wheel life, vs trying to take .001" off the entire face at a time. On my little surface grinder that's what I do.
At work I run a 20x60 Landis O.D. grinder, and that's a whole different game, I square the ends of the rolls I grind in the same way as described by the guy who made the comment I'm replying to, it's a fun game balancing heat, not loading the wheel, and not having the wheel break down too fast, but I have a 20hp motor pushing that spindle lol. Though when I'm plunging in a profile into a roll, it's 35rpms on the spindle and no more than .003" ipm in feed, that's as fast as I can push the old girl before she loads up/can't break down fast enough, thus a shitty chattery grind.
dj berg Thanks. I like Tim Bailey. Haven't seen a new video from him in quite some time. I still have lots to learn. Thanks for the advice.
IF!! it doesn't/ sound/feel right the method is probably wrong. The "stalled"wheel should tighten the the attaching nut. Beware the keyboard experts, books and posted videos are info. I find my ears/hearing tells me a lot when grinding. .
Steve, are you interested in doing carbide end mill sharpening? I have a good source for used carbide end mill and drills. Condition ranges from barely perceptible wear (which is too much for the defense contractors who sell these as scrap) to barely recognizable (but could still be ground into a new form). $12/pound. Seems you don't have the fixtures for that work yet, right? If you decide you want to try your hand at it and don't have anything on hand already let me know and I'll get some for you. (Jon/glueandsparks)
Jon Miller Hey Jon, good to see you. I do have the fixtures for endmills. I have lots of old HSS
and a few carbide endmills to practice on. I will keep you in mind. I know you got the hook up👍👌
Gloves! Only handle ground surfaces with disposable gloves.
Once again why is your shop hot and humid?
P.s if you don't want to die never use your grinder w out the shroud over that wheel brother.
Really? Am i missing something? Do you live in a REALLY bad neighborhood? Lol just noticed the weaponry your carrying while working on your machine, dont wanna get jacked for your budget grinder i guess. 😆 anyways was a good video learned alot thanks
You are responsible for your own safety, it's not the grinder or any material item that is in need of protection. LoL, Surely you are smarter than that. It's life that's worth protecting. I'm 1st line protection for me and my family. You can wait for the good guys . It's our job, not the police. Maybe you live in a place where you have no other choice? . I wouldn't want you hiding behind me. Edit: You and your family are more than welcome to line up behind me, no hard feelings.
@@SteveSummers ofcourse life is worth protecting, i guess you never know but it just caught me off gaurd, luckily no need to carry where im at although i do beleive every home should have one, for the very reason you stated, but i was in a jolly mood earlier didnt mean anything by it and was clearly joking about protecting your grinder lol, but yes i get it, just dont see much of it where im at. I suppose im more worried about night time breaking and entering than during the day, even though criminals can strike at any time
Grinding HSS at 65/67Hrc is not easy , i recomend a good diamand to dress your wheels.
With the LH on that hub. Your grinder is turning the wrong way!
nolan knoepfle I thought about that but assumed that the keyed washers between the nut and wheel would stop the nut from comming loose.... Like I said, I'm not experienced in grinding and may be completely wrong 😃. Thanks for watching and commenting. I appreciate the heads up.
The rain on the roof sound is not a hindrance to your video audio sound at all.
Scratches head and wonders why not just work on the left side of the wheel with standard rotation direction?
Anthony Vancampen LOL, your correct. With a machine like this having 100 ways to do any one operation and being a 100% beginner it's easy to overlook the obvious. There are more than just one mistake/ easy problem solution that was overlooked when I made this video. And I am sure they will me more.😉 Thanks for watching.
WOW, I wasn't expecting an answer. I've enjoyed watching you bring the grinder to life. There was one other thing that occurred to me later, and that was that many grinding wheels have a preferred direction of rotation. One other thing to keep in mind, the only way not to make mistakes is to do nothing. It doesn't work very well since doing nothing is also a mistake.
Can I have a sticker?
Sure can just send your address to my email Noel.steve15@gmail.com