Coach can't do anything if the player can't play the champ that fit the comp. Coach is only there to prevent player from playing random shit that not fit each other.
@@victortran2962 but coach also need to acknowledge and increase player champ pool tho. if they cant play the pick that means they didnt prep enough (both coach and player)
@@victortran2962 its also a coaches job to make sure a player is expanding their pool to fit around this kind of stuff. Not all their responsibility but they take some of the blame for a champ puddle
So the previous 4 games bans are as follow: TOP JG MID ADC SP G1 - Chogath Wukong Azir Jinx Rakan Maokai Viego Aurora Miss Fortune Nautilus G2 - Pantheon Skarner Syndra Ashe Rell Ambessa Ivern Sylas Caitlyn Leona G3 - Poppy Lee Sin Orianna Ezreal Nami Jayce Vi Akali Aphelios Lulu G4 - Quinn Sejuani Galio Zeri Janna Renekton Xin Zhao Hwei Kalista Pyke I want to point out that there is still plenty of strong picks out there and comps to play with, Yone, Rumble, Camille, Jax(especially Gragas ban), Amumu, Kindred, Kaisa, Varus, Xayah, Karma, Seraphine, Zyra and etc. As for Nocturne, Neeko and Ziggs are excellent at comp building and Zac, Neeko and Tristana are good flex picks. Overall I think after each game, its good that coaches and players discuss about the next comp they wanna play and think about what options are out there. Props to both team for firing up the series and brought us to game 5, really loving the fearless draft bringing variety of team comps and spicing up the new season and future tournaments.
I think coaches will not only look at the next pick, but also potential enemy comps and the next 2ish comps the team will look to play. The coaches will start earning their salaries, and might actually see a salary raise over the next few years
If Riot wants to implement Fearless they need a +15 at least and it's a compromise because Riot would never add a +30 based on the fact that it would be more boring for viewership so it has to be around +15-20 (edit: also they need to design a launcher that makes the already picked champs grey or unclickable or smth)
If the player cant play the champion drafted well it has no value, coaches don't make a significant difference here beyond the matchup pool you have to watch increasing
@@cri1134 They should, but that's not how it work irl. Zeka was world champion once. But everyone know he have champ pool issue and he only won cause of the meta champ being his best pick at the time.
Should do it as a time bank if that’s the route they wanna go. Extra 2 minutes or something you can use on any or all picks but once it’s all up you only get 20 seconds per remaining champ or something.
For those a proplayer that only able to play 1-2 champion this would be a nightmare for them, its finally exposed which one are the actually a pro player and are not
I think the competitive server likely will have mode like that. After all they would have to make that mode anyway. Consider that these rule will affect pro games. And you don't want pro make mistake during draft cause they forget which champs were played in the first game.
They will likely do it for the competetive server. But not regular server, i supposed. Just like how they implement the ban system in competitive server but not in normal server.
I don't think they need more time, I think they need an interface to see what they are allowed to play from and that's all, a lot of time is spent on the draft already for the people who have limited time to watch.
60+ banned cut 10 bans game 5 and then the enemy team takes some XD so hard, brain must work on 200% which is not easy after 4 games, hats off to u all
it is, 10 people in a game and it's game 5 so 4 games done means 40 champs have been played and are gone, and each team gets 5 bans for a total 10, 10 bans and 40 champs already played=50
bo5 should get fearless and the game 5 should be on the blind pick restart it will be who has the best comp against the best comp but that'll be impossible and yes fearless draft will be pain for coaches as this will be a new perspective to them, as it opens unused champs from each players and you could still end up 5 games without even have the chance of picking that one champ on your OTP player and they have 2 or 3 types of fearless one that bans the winner picks and the other bans all champs played for past games.
Teams can actually make some interesting move like allowing OTP champs in early games so that they can effectively ban it out for the rest of the match. So it actually more feasible for this system to have actual OTP champs appear
@@slavprincedupa375 yeah, maybe, but still, even in screams for practice its better to try and somehow with last 3 picks try to make it work instead of pretending that there was no draft at all already
@@AmigoAmigo-w5p dude, i didnt talked about fearless, i think its awesome, i even think that the best rule was in lck few years back when in last game of bo5 there was a blind pick, i was talking about that LR picked 3 champs, did reset of lobby saying that they did misspick, and instead of picking 2 the same champs and 3rd some different they completely changed theyre draft what proves that they didnt misspick anything, theyre just not elegantly crafty
@@kosekfromkorea3250 I think you're overthinking it ngl, the other team didn't care and would've reseat draft too if they didn't like their first few picks. Whole point of a scrim basically
Increasing time to pick your champs for Fearless AT LEAST for Games 3-5 would be very fair for coaches. Sure, it makes the viewing experience a bit longer but barely, rewards the coaches great at draft TRUE
Imagine 2015 darius power level champion. If you dont have first pick you are one game behind from the get go because enemy picks it and you cant ban it.
Because there are way too many champs in the games already. Having another ban round still leave a lots of champs unbanned. So it's not a real issue overall. Plus ban round allow you to kinda disrupt enemy formation so it's valuable for teams, too.
@@krep4334 then riot should make a custom champ select that bans the unavailable champs so they dont have to think about whether a champ was already banned or played
@@twrk139agreed, its dumb that people have to keep track of a rule that should just be mechanically enforced in the client. reminds me of the bug list riot has for worlds that penalises players if they abuse a bug (fix ur game rito)
I don't think it's that hard either. They're not try harding compared to the NNO tournment because it's scrims. They're not recording what champion has been played and what's left on the spreadsheet and he doesn't really want to use any of the drafting websites that the rats made. They could also just use the same spreadsheet from NNO cuz the meta hasn't really changed (still skarner/ashe/corki first pick). The only champs that fell off a bit are Ambessa/Yone.
@@bird__xyz9520 ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? they did not learn from the mistake. they just ff'd before the game was played -- try that on stage
@@baleandfhosso you think in scrims you will still play the game as taliyah with jarvan, ksante lux in your opponent with no cc combo or peel pick available for taliyah?? its unplayable and waste of time. so if they misspick on the last pick like accidentally pick yuumi but you already have a support on your team, would you still play the scrim knowing you have double support bot without adc.for sure even in soloqueue you would dodge a game that is unplayable for you.
Idk i play league for 10 years if I was a pro i d be good at 90% of champions its not that many considering they put hours of playing everyday and honestly 20 games is enough to play a champ decently. All more games arw just good to learn matchup specifics
The math on the thumbnail is incorrect. It is not -50. It is -40 unless ur last pick then is -49. 4 games 10 players. Basic match 4x10=40... their are no banns in fearless in the 1st round. So their are 130 champs avaidable at the start of chmp select of g5.
Your math is incorrect. Games 1-4 give 40 fearless bans, game 5 has another 10 bans itself, that's 50 bans. If you are last pick there are 59 champs gone.
You could draft 20 Front-to-Back comps in a row easily, there is no shortage of Tanky/Engage Top/Jungle, Control Mid, Practically any ADC, and Protect Supports: Top: K'sante, Tahm, Renekton, Ornn, Aatrox, Camille, Gnar, Maokai, Darius, Jax, Poppy, Sett. Urgot, Gragas, Ambessa Jungle: Wukong, Reksai, Udyr, Skarner, Lee Sin, Volibear, Xin Zhao, Zac, J4, Nocturne, Sejuani, Vi, Amumu Mid: Ahri, Orianna, Syndra, Azir, Lux, Taliyah, Neeko, Viktor, Ziggs, Malzahar, Vex, Hwei, Twisted Fate, Vel'Koz Bottom: Jinx, Caitlyn, Ashe, Varus, Sivir, Aphelios, Xayah, Tristana, Corki, Smolder Supp: Braum, Alistar, Nautlius, Leona, Lulu, Taric, Rell, Janna, Karma, Thresh, Rakan Mix and match any of the champions and you have a functioning comp, it's not that hard.
You can definitely not mix and match any of those champs and you have a good comp not to mention you have to have a good comp and a comp that function into what the other team has
@@animeanime7849 The point is mix and matching those champions makes a functional theme, you can pick which fits the match-up. It makes it much easier to solve.
The math on the thumbnail is incorrect. It is not -50. It is -40 unless ur last pick then is -49. 4 games 10 players. Basic match 4x10=40... their are no banns in fearless in the 1st round. So their are 129 champs avaidable at the start of chmp select of g5.
fearless is going to expose the paycheck stealing coaches and im all for it
tbf it’s gonna expose players more than the coaches. Players need to have a vast champ pool firsthand in order for the drafts better.
Coach can't do anything if the player can't play the champ that fit the comp. Coach is only there to prevent player from playing random shit that not fit each other.
@@victortran2962 but coach also need to acknowledge and increase player champ pool tho. if they cant play the pick that means they didnt prep enough (both coach and player)
@@victortran2962 its also a coaches job to make sure a player is expanding their pool to fit around this kind of stuff. Not all their responsibility but they take some of the blame for a champ puddle
@@sukfkdjsjdHaving narrow champ pool is not a bad thing
fearless is soo great but i definitely agree with additional draft times. it looks rough on game 5
Rekky doing so much theory crafting mid draft, the just being like "oh braum..." and fucking instalocks it, without much more context is so massive.
What is context
He had 0 seconds left. Happens sometimes.
GigaRekkles
You know what else is massive?
No bro he did not instalock, time was up
this is great. I've always seen players talk so long during the draft time and wondered what they were talking about
champ select UI desperately needs changes to accomodate for Fearless
So the previous 4 games bans are as follow:
TOP JG MID ADC SP
G1 - Chogath Wukong Azir Jinx Rakan
Maokai Viego Aurora Miss Fortune Nautilus
G2 - Pantheon Skarner Syndra Ashe Rell
Ambessa Ivern Sylas Caitlyn Leona
G3 - Poppy Lee Sin Orianna Ezreal Nami
Jayce Vi Akali Aphelios Lulu
G4 - Quinn Sejuani Galio Zeri Janna
Renekton Xin Zhao Hwei Kalista Pyke
I want to point out that there is still plenty of strong picks out there and comps to play with, Yone, Rumble, Camille, Jax(especially Gragas ban), Amumu, Kindred, Kaisa, Varus, Xayah, Karma, Seraphine, Zyra and etc. As for Nocturne, Neeko and Ziggs are excellent at comp building and Zac, Neeko and Tristana are good flex picks. Overall I think after each game, its good that coaches and players discuss about the next comp they wanna play and think about what options are out there. Props to both team for firing up the series and brought us to game 5, really loving the fearless draft bringing variety of team comps and spicing up the new season and future tournaments.
I think coaches will not only look at the next pick, but also potential enemy comps and the next 2ish comps the team will look to play. The coaches will start earning their salaries, and might actually see a salary raise over the next few years
I think it's time to use a drafting tool Mr Caedrel. Fearless really benefits from this no?
we are in 2025, bro needs to retire his notebook for drafts xdd
If Riot wants to implement Fearless they need a +15 at least and it's a compromise because Riot would never add a +30 based on the fact that it would be more boring for viewership so it has to be around +15-20 (edit: also they need to design a launcher that makes the already picked champs grey or unclickable or smth)
Or they improve the visualization of the counter matchups
+15 for game 3 4 and +30 for game 5, could be a good compromise. game 5 are infrequent enough and most complexity
@@austinturner5992 Extra time to pick champs.
im pretty sure they had a mode similar to fearless draft around season 4-5 or i might be misremembering
nah let it 5 secs, we get the most braindead brawl fights for game 5.
Coach diff will be so valuable
If the player cant play the champion drafted well it has no value, coaches don't make a significant difference here beyond the matchup pool you have to watch increasing
@@Andy-xd5dj multiple year challenger/pro players SHOULD be able to play most champs for their lane idc.
@@cri1134 They should, but that's not how it work irl. Zeka was world champion once. But everyone know he have champ pool issue and he only won cause of the meta champ being his best pick at the time.
Should do it as a time bank if that’s the route they wanna go. Extra 2 minutes or something you can use on any or all picks but once it’s all up you only get 20 seconds per remaining champ or something.
Yeah, this is the way dota does it. Seems like a good way to go.
Yep, the dota system is the way
For those a proplayer that only able to play 1-2 champion this would be a nightmare for them, its finally exposed which one are the actually a pro player and are not
fearless makes the game SOOO much more enjoyable to watch.
or maybe they could just make a mode where you cant pick the champs already played, or a mode where you can config what champs are available for you
client would meltdown and set your pc on fire
@@Coxickwhen was the last time the client ever worked smoothly? Put that shit in there and cause a wildfire for all I care.
That would be useful!! We can't have something useful from Riot now, can we?
Tbh yea, it's so fking frustrating that you have to track back what champ you can pick and not pick
I think the competitive server likely will have mode like that. After all they would have to make that mode anyway. Consider that these rule will affect pro games. And you don't want pro make mistake during draft cause they forget which champs were played in the first game.
Ye we need some drafting tool for that
Looks kinda impossible otherwise
Really shows the strength of flex picks.
Shouldn't they include fearless into the client? Then you can see what's banned
They will likely do it for the competetive server. But not regular server, i supposed. Just like how they implement the ban system in competitive server but not in normal server.
@@dieptrieu6564 They do have competitive ban system in custom games on live servers
@@dieptrieu6564 you've been able to play Tournament Draft in custom games & Clash for years actually
@@dieptrieu6564 What Ban system you mean? The Tournament Draft where you get 3 bans and 2 later is in the client you can choose it for custom games
@@Celmondas i don't play custom game so my bad. Tho, i was mainly talking about the regular ranked system.
T1 is gonna cook up some crazy team comps with fearless draft.
Keira has been ready.
@@llmtxll3654mata there with Tom insane draft
Faker Riven and Lulu incoming
@@weiqianglin1314 Doran GARNE
More likely Keria lol
add 20 sec to each pick with this format plz
i did not see caedrals take holy shit were on the same fucking page
I don't think they need more time, I think they need an interface to see what they are allowed to play from and that's all, a lot of time is spent on the draft already for the people who have limited time to watch.
could have picked ryze
haha, bad choice
@@knlei1 no ryze is always good choice. WRONG. FALSE. INCORRECT
true QEQWQEQWQEQ that QWQEQWQ
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Thanks, ryzeking
easy fix would be that, the champs they cant play anymore to be banned before champ select, so they only show the champs that are actually playable
YESSSS I LOVE FEARLESS
every time i watch pros pick i realize i dont know nothing after playing lol for 10 years xd
60+ banned cut 10 bans game 5 and then the enemy team takes some XD so hard, brain must work on 200% which is not easy after 4 games, hats off to u all
4 games = 40 champs, plus 10 bans is 50 right
@@MisterSibo plus enemy team picks 5 so 55
@@GoldenFlash0 well that’s not true because they don’t all pick at the same time.
@@gabrielchovan-spence4215 yes, but they were on red side so they counter picked most of the time, means they picked same roles but had less options
They still have 110 champions to pick from. The best of the best should still be able to make something work.
I wish Rekkles would replace his mic soon.
Hungrypanda the goat
i atart watching again
Rekkles real name is Martin?
So is Wunder and kinda Jankos since his name is polish Martin. It was kinda a meme back then in g2...
Can someone explain fearless for me please? I never heard it explained
It means if you pick for example yone in game 1, yone will be disabled for both teams for the rest of the games
champions picked in game1 are disabled/banned in game2. and so on
Thank you both, the name doesn’t imply that
Is somewhere full gameplay and caedrell watching or they dont post it?
they post scrim vods on the los ratones channel, idk if it necessarily has caedrel commentary but it has player comms and perspectives
Caedrel's twitch channel, full vod is available there
los ratones youtube
i am not sure if the math is mathing on thumbnail
it is, 10 people in a game and it's game 5 so 4 games done means 40 champs have been played and are gone, and each team gets 5 bans for a total 10, 10 bans and 40 champs already played=50
@bladezuv i didnt know theres bans mb
bo5 should get fearless
and the game 5 should be on the blind pick restart
it will be who has the best comp against the best comp
but that'll be impossible
and yes fearless draft will be pain for coaches as this will be a new perspective to them, as it opens unused champs from each players
and you could still end up 5 games without even have the chance of picking that one champ on your OTP player
and they have 2 or 3 types of fearless
one that bans the winner picks
and the other bans all champs played for past games.
Teams can actually make some interesting move like allowing OTP champs in early games so that they can effectively ban it out for the rest of the match. So it actually more feasible for this system to have actual OTP champs appear
Maybe they should've picked Alistar on 4 but very well theory crafting
Its such a dipshyt, even if you did in theory one misspick the first two picks should be the same, i dont like that kind of shenanigans
Maybe they set a rule that u can fully reset comp if u think thats pointless coz of draft. Maybe be once per scrim block or smh.
I disagree. Fearless draft will finally get rid of same Fucking meta champs EVERY GOD DAM GAME.
@@slavprincedupa375 yeah, maybe, but still, even in screams for practice its better to try and somehow with last 3 picks try to make it work instead of pretending that there was no draft at all already
@@AmigoAmigo-w5p dude, i didnt talked about fearless, i think its awesome, i even think that the best rule was in lck few years back when in last game of bo5 there was a blind pick, i was talking about that LR picked 3 champs, did reset of lobby saying that they did misspick, and instead of picking 2 the same champs and 3rd some different they completely changed theyre draft what proves that they didnt misspick anything, theyre just not elegantly crafty
@@kosekfromkorea3250 I think you're overthinking it ngl, the other team didn't care and would've reseat draft too if they didn't like their first few picks. Whole point of a scrim basically
Increasing time to pick your champs for Fearless AT LEAST for Games 3-5 would be very fair for coaches. Sure, it makes the viewing experience a bit longer but barely, rewards the coaches great at draft TRUE
Lets GOOOOOO
Why are there even bans in this draft mode? wouldn't the first game kinda work like bans
Imagine 2015 darius power level champion. If you dont have first pick you are one game behind from the get go because enemy picks it and you cant ban it.
@@wonsiorgasiciel6509 but then you just do one ban round at the very start and it should be fine as well, bans seem so unneeded here
Because there are way too many champs in the games already. Having another ban round still leave a lots of champs unbanned. So it's not a real issue overall. Plus ban round allow you to kinda disrupt enemy formation so it's valuable for teams, too.
Should have been Tahm Trist bot no?
Braum is better tho
It’s so unplayable, only 120 champs left in game 5 fearless NOOOO
It is about thinking who is banned and who is not. Not about 120 champs left dude
@@krep4334 then riot should make a custom champ select that bans the unavailable champs so they dont have to think about whether a champ was already banned or played
@@twrk139 yea just let ppl ban champs in lobby before starting champ select
@@twrk139agreed, its dumb that people have to keep track of a rule that should just be mechanically enforced in the client. reminds me of the bug list riot has for worlds that penalises players if they abuse a bug (fix ur game rito)
I don't think it's that hard either. They're not try harding compared to the NNO tournment because it's scrims. They're not recording what champion has been played and what's left on the spreadsheet and he doesn't really want to use any of the drafting websites that the rats made. They could also just use the same spreadsheet from NNO cuz the meta hasn't really changed (still skarner/ashe/corki first pick). The only champs that fell off a bit are Ambessa/Yone.
forsen
still not thinking of champions outside of the meta even with fearless draft
Tuh
ta
Hell nah I aint watching 2 minutes per pick champ select. Even at 15 minutes between games it was bad.
maybe they can do it only in game 5 coz thats the only situation that is really hard. +30 seconds per pick and bans
what am i watching? you fuck up in draft and you just re-do it? what? you need to play it out so you learn from your mistakes
They already learned from the mistake. 0 value in practicing something you now know you are never gonna do.
@@bird__xyz9520 ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? they did not learn from the mistake. they just ff'd before the game was played -- try that on stage
@@baleandfhosso you think in scrims you will still play the game as taliyah with jarvan, ksante lux in your opponent with no cc combo or peel pick available for taliyah?? its unplayable and waste of time. so if they misspick on the last pick like accidentally pick yuumi but you already have a support on your team, would you still play the scrim knowing you have double support bot without adc.for sure even in soloqueue you would dodge a game that is unplayable for you.
Idk i play league for 10 years if I was a pro i d be good at 90% of champions its not that many considering they put hours of playing everyday and honestly 20 games is enough to play a champ decently. All more games arw just good to learn matchup specifics
The math on the thumbnail is incorrect. It is not -50. It is -40 unless ur last pick then is -49. 4 games 10 players. Basic match 4x10=40... their are no banns in fearless in the 1st round. So their are 130 champs avaidable at the start of chmp select of g5.
Your math is incorrect. Games 1-4 give 40 fearless bans, game 5 has another 10 bans itself, that's 50 bans. If you are last pick there are 59 champs gone.
it does not look hard at all tbh
You look hard!
@@HowDoYouUseSpaceBar huhh
You either did not watch the video or you're just low rank
@@brillnanda666 It's bait bruh
@@Darkyryus_ mine was bait too. You got baited
You could draft 20 Front-to-Back comps in a row easily, there is no shortage of Tanky/Engage Top/Jungle, Control Mid, Practically any ADC, and Protect Supports:
Top: K'sante, Tahm, Renekton, Ornn, Aatrox, Camille, Gnar, Maokai, Darius, Jax, Poppy, Sett. Urgot, Gragas, Ambessa
Jungle: Wukong, Reksai, Udyr, Skarner, Lee Sin, Volibear, Xin Zhao, Zac, J4, Nocturne, Sejuani, Vi, Amumu
Mid: Ahri, Orianna, Syndra, Azir, Lux, Taliyah, Neeko, Viktor, Ziggs, Malzahar, Vex, Hwei, Twisted Fate, Vel'Koz
Bottom: Jinx, Caitlyn, Ashe, Varus, Sivir, Aphelios, Xayah, Tristana, Corki, Smolder
Supp: Braum, Alistar, Nautlius, Leona, Lulu, Taric, Rell, Janna, Karma, Thresh, Rakan
Mix and match any of the champions and you have a functioning comp, it's not that hard.
You can definitely not mix and match any of those champs and you have a good comp not to mention you have to have a good comp and a comp that function into what the other team has
Build a balanced comp is easy yes, but then you also have to care about lane match ups as well.
@@animeanime7849 The point is mix and matching those champions makes a functional theme, you can pick which fits the match-up. It makes it much easier to solve.
The math on the thumbnail is incorrect. It is not -50. It is -40 unless ur last pick then is -49. 4 games 10 players. Basic match 4x10=40... their are no banns in fearless in the 1st round. So their are 129 champs avaidable at the start of chmp select of g5.