Ford was a genius, he saw that the future Seasons of Westworld were going to be terrible so orchestrated his own death so as to always be remembered as the best part of the show.
@@guitarvative3145 Second season of Stranger Things wasn't so bad, ignoring the very awkwardly, randomly placed 11-comingofage episode. The story itself was nothing new, but Sean Astin rocks and the characters had such cute developments.
Let's hope season 3 is good. Otherwise, I will just stop caring and just keep future seasons in my watchlist in the below pile. Season 1 was so fucking amazing. It felt it was it's only self- contained storyline. Season 2 was going great till episode 6. Afterwards, it started to fall apart. They literally fucked up the storyline and the plotholes. Thank god, some of the character's development was not ruined. At least the difference between Season 2 of WW and Season 8 of GOT is that WW still has a chance to improve and make sure everything is well. GOT S8 just fucked everything up. I liked GOT S8 up till the 3rd episode. After that, it just got lazy and jumped the shark. The jump the shark scene was burning King's Landing. I only kept on watching because of the technical effects and performances. The dialogue, character roles, character development, feminist tones, plot, and the storyline was just thrown out the window. I mean, HBO said they would give David and Dan 4 more seasons to finish the saga after Season 7. Instead, they just took 1 season and fucked it up. Appreciate Disney for firing them as they would have done more damage already. Even Geroge RR Martin said the ending didn't make any sense. I still have hope for Westworld, otherwise, I will just wait till gets over and watch all the rest of the seasons feeling interested knowing that the future seasons are terrible if Season 3 goes the same route as Lost. Hope it does a True Detective manoeuvre where season 1 was a masterpiece, season 2 is forgettable and only watchable for the acting, but season 3 is not superior to season 1 but at least has renewed interest to watch it and love the show again.
Season 3 had its promising elements, but then it turned into this pile of overcomplicated, cliched sci-fi flick with piles of meaningless action and chicks in tights. The characters were so bland it was a goddamn crime. William, Bernard - turned into meaningless third rate characters with basically 0 contribution to the plot. Stubbs (one of my favourites, btw) was brought back with an interesting plot twist, just to be turned into a drunk comic relief (WTF?!). The motivations of Maeve and Dolores? Maeve constantly ranting how it is all a fake story and nothing is real, but keeps chasing the daughter from her fake story? Dolores on the quest to destroy mankind suddenly reveals she was a philantropist all along in the last 20 minutes? Give me a break... But the biggest crime of all was Vincent Cassel's Serac... The man was acting so well and the premise of the predictive machine similar to person of interest was very promising at first. Its minimalistic design was also very well executed and brought a great deal of mystery in the first episodes. And then it all turned into a mess, Serac became a cartoonish villain, plot lines came from left and right trying to bring higher meaning and complexity out of nowhere. The magic in season one was that while it had a multilayered story with many mysteries, it was focused and well executed. In this season you can't get to the point, and at the end there wasn't even any point at all. Just "in this world, you can be whoever the f**k you want". Thanks...
@@tiaaaron3278 I wouldn't keep my hopes high for that one. Judging from the trailer, it looks like he's playing the Navy version of the "hand in your badge and your gun" 80s action movie police chief.
@Cinema Gaming Holly shit, I didn't know JJ was apart of this. That explains everything!! There isn't a single franchise safe from that fuckin' guy and his "creative ideas".
I remember Bob Odenkirk joking once that you can't make a show that's too good, or some people will come in and say "no no, it has to be a little shitty." That joke aged really well.
This is what irritates me: Hollywood these days is more concerned with making female characters strong and independent before making them relatable and interesting. Little tip for you writers: Strong characters don't have to say they're strong. It's apparent to anyone, both within their respective stories and to the audience. How about you give your 'strong, independent' women actual character arks? Or is that just too damn hard?
Well, I'm sure you have heard the great news by now. All scripts will now be fed through a program to make sure they are diverse enough, and don't disparage any of the protected classes BEFORE they are ever considered. Oh what a wonderful time to be alive...................
@Don Cornelius As a matter of fact, I'm in the midst of writing my own fantasy trilogy as we speak. I can guarantee that my characters have more personality and development than anything you can make. There are a ton of strong, well written female characters out there. Here are a few for you: Adare hui'Malkeenian from the Chronicles of the Unhewn Throne Nasuada from the Inheritance Cycle Katara from Avatar the Last Airbender. Astrid Hofferson from the How To Train Your Dragon franchise. Hermione Granger from the Harry Potter franchise Katniss Everdeen from the Hunger Games franchise Raisa anna'Marianna from the Seven Realms quadrilogy Nachia Krous from the Seven Forges quadrilogy. Toph Beifong from Avatar the Last Airbender Aveline de Grandpré from Assassin's Creed. Claire from the Outlander series. Black Widow from The Avengers Lyra Silvertongue from the His Dark Materials series. Evie Frye from Assassin's Creed. If you want more, just say the word. You see, it's not that hard to create a female character that is interesting and compelling, as long as you have at least a basic understanding of human emotion and personality. But then, I wouldn't expect you to understand. You clearly have less emotional understanding than the average pre-schooler.
Hey, it has only been Game of Thrones and Westworld and True Detective and Star Wars and Star Trek and Mass Effect, and Halo and SimCity... At least they have not ruined Breaking Bad or Madmen yet.
Took me until S2E1 to stop caring. It went from a genuinely thought-provoking "what is it to be human?" essay to a cookie-cutter "robots be free!" story in the space of one episode.
The episode about Akecheta was the absolute best episode of the season. His awakening & the way he tries to awaken others is the most moving discovery-of-self-awareness of all the characters- it wasn't painstakingly nurtured, rolled back, then reignited with "dream" code or a new "escape" narrative.
I liked it too, and yet I couldn't help but wonder if it ever actually happened, or if that was just backstory that Maeve retroactively programmed into him to make him protect her daughter.
@@TracinyaLachance no, I think it happened. Maeve was listening in & he taught her about the door. He grabbed the daughter as maeve screamed no, thinking he was going to hurt the girl but he did so to protect her before Maeve would have had the chance to reprogram him.. He only ever hurt those he was scripted to or forced to, other than that he was a kind, inquisitive, strong-willed person. His story included scenes about him carving the maze on the underside of scalps, something the man in black discovered in a different episode when he scalped kissy.
When I first watched Westworld Season 1 I thought that was going to be the end of the whole show forever. It was a good ending! After season 2, I resolved to _continue_ to believe that Season 1 was the only season.
my same thought.........i also think the same about stranger things, since season 1 i dont feel the same vibe, it just feels like they are trying to get the feeling of the 1st season all over again with each new season
Season 1 kept me hooked and made me interested to see where the story was going. Season 2 felt like a chore to watch. I stopped caring and I just wanted it to be over.
That’s about how I feel too hell Skip right on over It and just got to season three it gets a little bit better but it’s never gonna be what it was when you inject feminist agenda and anything it instantly turns into shit that’s what happened they took a good thing An tried to muddy it with a message
@@aceredstone119 I knew instantly what it meant. One of the biggest twist, but then when I went back and rewatched it I could see other indicators. Very well done.
@Kevin Potts Like when he was being strangled the first time he stumbled into that cabin. And Ford appears from nowhere. In retrospect, oh he used the door that Bernard couldn't see (smh)
@@lochofmceo - Yeah I don't get the complaints AT ALL. 🙄😒 Most people complained just cuz they were too slow to be able to follow along w/the out-of-sequence timelines. But the season gave us some of the best acting & most heartfelt scenes in the show to date! Episode 8 "Kiksuya" (I think it was called that), about the leader of the Ghost Nation tribe, was SO incredibly well done. My heart was thoroughly broken watching that episode.
@@KabbalahSherry Must be really nice to belong the small circle of elightened ones with the big brains. But here i am, all slow and unable to follow along. If only i had a big brain like yourself, so i could make baseless assumptions on the cognitive abilities of people i disagree with in a lazy ass attempt of character assassination instead of adressing valid criticism.
@@KabbalahSherry *Forced melodrama < well-written drama.* Do you happen to be a fan of soap operas or any shows produced by the CW Network? I'd put money on one or both.
Westworld..."It's a show that effectively blew it's creative load in the first season." Best single line description. Period. Drinker my friend you certainly have a way with words.😆
Glad to find people thinking the same thing. Not necessary/essential to the story, but a very interesting look into the universe, and a good creative outlet for the writers to tell something different without compromising the show (they already capitalized on many other opportunities for that). I enjoyed that episode a lot.
Like Drinker, I questioned why it was being added in at first, but the narrative quickly grew on me after realizing it was supposed to be a tangential look into the universe.
I stopped watching Westworld after Season 1 because the story was finished and fully self-contained. I wasn't even aware of plans for sequels until much later. Leaving the future of the hosts an unresolved question made for the perfect ending because it showed their emancipation; now they'd be just as free and uncertain about their destiny and roles as humans are. It didn't feel like a story that needed more telling. When I learned about sequel seasons, I instinctively noped right the fuck out. It seeped that corporate cash grab and hollywood political fetishism vibe right away.
@@Wrenchfayce In Italy we call "acquavite" any distilled product with high alcoholic content, usually derived from grains or fruit. I guess @SonsOfNorth's Scandinavian aqua vitae has the same root.
@John Galt ah, that makes sense, aqua vitae is actually and it's derivatives is actually a pretty common term in Europe and as you might expect (being Latin) it came from the Roman Empire and so probably referred to wine originally... I think for the Critical Drinker we need to get something stronger! :p
Honestly I didn't even care about women replacing all the men protagonists, it's making them basically superheroes in an instant with no consequence and no limitation to what they can do that made me hate the show so much.
When you said "mostly" as the camera jumped to Charlotte, I jumped up to write this as I smiled. I thought I was the only one who thought she overplayed her part. The actor who plays "Charlotte", at least in the first two seasons, was out of her league.
Using the NPC designator is meant to dehumanize, to ignore, demean and dispose of the unwanted by violence. It's a mind-tool of nut job extremist and it's used primarily by grown weak willed cowards that will never be men ... and 12 year olds who thinks it makes them look cool.
But but but it's topical you know because orange man bad and capitalism bad and anyone saying things I don't like is bad and they're all NAZI'S. Where's my safe space?
@@theaholio7037 its literally ironic that you praise him for using proverbial before a metaphor, which is redundant, yet berate those who would use literally as an intensifier that has literally been in use in english for over at least two hundred years now ignorance and elitism doesnt look good on anyone
@@Matty002 Where exactly in my post did i mention anything being correct or incorrect? I didn't, at all, so you can save your lesson on grammar for someone who needs it. By the way, "Literally" is a word that has been misused so often that they added the opposite definition of it in 2013, making it a meaningless word. So no, it hasn't been used the way you describe for over 200 years.
Why is he a tosspot? Black unemployment at its lowest since the 60's, getting both halves of Korea to the table to talk peace, but yeah, he said pussy once soooooo, racist! sexist! You brainwashed maggot of a human.
@@jonskinner5664 SJW's r idiots, Trump was talking about groupies when he said "and they let u do it" wonder how those idiots would react if they knew what rockstars got up to with groupies?
Very well done man! ALL my thoughts exactly. The only other thing that pisses me off is that after season 1, I had to wait 2 years to get to get disappointed!
"and yet, while all these stunning and brave female characters are busy Brie-Larsoning themselves into the stratosphere" The writing in these videos is a thing of beauty.
I KNEW this show would go to complete crap after the first season. I swear to god. I just knew they wouldn't know what to do with it afterwards, like Prison Break. Both Prison Break and Westworld exist only in Season 1 for me.
@blue yellow well he is supposed to be unstoppable that's why they showed them trying to kill the invisible dude, the later episodes aren't as great as the first but it's definitely still good
I enjoyed it but by the end of season one I knew it was all over, so didn't even bother with season 2. They blew through ALL their good and worthy plot lines in season 1 as if they were lines of coke, leaving nothing left on the table for future seasons.
Season 1 was an enjoyable and interesting plot driven by well developed and clearly motivated characters. Season 2 had a confusing timeline, irritating characters that pulled a 180 into stupid. This show just went up it's own ass in pretentiousness.
@@supastar25 Admittedly, its hard to give a shit when you can't follow the plot. Its even harder when the show still thinks its some philosophical masterpiece not realizing that fuel was all burned up first season.
She's a very pretty girl but not a very good actress. Plus she makes Brie Larson-esque statements to the press and on social media that also lessens her appeal.
Oh gosh, we saw a fantastic series undermined by itself in the second season. Like Star Wars and even Star Trek, it had it all: talent, budget, writers, production. I mean Oscar talent. They blew it because of identity politics, the stain of the 2010s that ruined so many properties. I wasn't able to make it through all of season 2 because it was awful. It was utterly mired in sophomore year Women's Studies. It made Sir Anthony Hopkins, one of Britain's most prized treasures, a laughing joke.
Ironically, one of the lesser woke shows of late was Godless. Whose premise is set around a town full of women and a few men, which takes place in the late 1800s.
Ikr.. Woke producers never seem to have enough creativity to make their own woke story and characters so they always take the ones you love and transgender it to a man hating smug mary sue.. Or as the drinker called it.. Brie Larsoning it😂😂
Right. The ambiguity became fucking annoying. Is Ed Harris reborn in the future or not? Fuck that...just TELL US. Shit, be creative. Take a risk and show us a world overrun by hosts where the humans serve them.
One thing though: The one episode about the native americans was by far the besten thing of season 2. Because it was cut off of the main narritive. Because it felt simple and was easy to watch without the bullshit we had to put up until now.
I disagree on the Akecheta episode. That was my favorite in S2 and because it was the only one further exploring the haunting themes of Deus Ex Machina, soul, and existential crisis. It had to be a Native American character because the android got out of programming for close to 10 years, which won't really be possible for a regular character.
Season 1 hit me so hard that as a psychologist I ran to library for books on bicameral mind theory and several others. Season 2 hit me so hard that as a Star Wars fan i ran to see the credits if Kathleen Kennedy is mentioned amongst producers.
@@atomicalien4 yeah lol. It was probably a couple of weeks later I mentioned to my psychologist that I was thinking about getting a diagnosis and I was hit with nodding and "....you have autism."
I didn't like it even in episode 1 but I had no choice but to finish it since I was hopeful that it will get better. After all Anthony Hopkins is in the show. I guess I was wrong. :(
@@neansath Yep, that's what everyone kept saying so I took their advice and didn't throw away my time. Apparently now even drunk Scottish people are saying I made the right choice! LOL.
As a woman I’m actually embarrassed for women the way Hollywood is shoving women good men bad down people’s throats. We are actually becoming weaker because of it. I actually avoid most media nowadays. It’s the great outdoors for me thanks. 🤟
They seem to be under the impression that women are best when acting like men, which is a sexist presumption. The best female characters are ones that embrace the advantages and strengths of being a woman, typically involving intriguing and plotting - activities which are fundamentally interesting to watch.
I actually don't feel like this is something that sticks out in Westworld (like it might in other shows and movies) unless you're primed to see it by people who have reflexive reasons to fixate on it.
strong female characters were done properly over 10 years ago *points to Eowyn, Ripley and Princess Leia* whereas these days it just sees to be "make women all powerful Mary Sues"
I learned one thing from westworld. When humanity is conquered by AI it will be the robots with the female aesthetic designs who will be the alphas. Atleast feminist are realistic in their writing. If they had shown real females being this competent it would have broke my suspension of disbelief.
So you missed the human daughter of the big bad cowboy in black who was kicking ass all season 2 man handle him , humilate him to his face and then push him over and stand over him because she is the powerful one .
That is why I watch old movies. This period in history can be called later by historians (if any of them survive telling the truth) with the dramatic name "The great madness".
I honestly thought the show ended with Season 2. I hadn’t seen any news, articles, or appetite whetting commercials for a third season until Drinker made this little zinger.
Season 1 is a self-contained masterpiece. Just stop afterwards. That's it. That's the end. They didn't "sacrifice" anything for the finale. That's the finale of the whole concept. Journey into Night. We don't need to actually SEE the journey into night. Just know how we got to it.
Unless the pain of Season 2 pays off spectacularly in Season 3, this is exactly what I'm going to tell people in the future about how to watch this show. Not unlike The Matrix trilogy, which arguably suffers from the exact same pitfalls.
I was thinking about giving season 2 and possibly 3 another try. Decided to watch this review first since CD is usually spot on. Thanks for saving me from that madness. I made it through two episodes of season 2 and that was enough for me.
There's a pattern here. 1.series/movie is successful 2.The left latches on to it like a parasite on a host 3. Host gets sickly 4. Host dies 5. Leftist look for a new host
@@rebotsomat well he means the sjw pc culture that the left align with. They are all worried about offensive words & whatever the hell else, just look at them on twitter.. basically they're bitches. I know cool liberals, but we're talking about the extreme left, dominating Hollywood and msm. See, conservatives could give a jack shyt about the crap the left " care about". Don't think about it as political division tho., it's more this activist, neo Marxist bullshit that they are trying to implement. Don't take it personal, unless yous a bitch too. Just face facts. To be fair, I surely don't like every Republican out there. Part of the left has gone nuts, if you can't admit that, well you obviously haven't watched cnn.
@@commonclayofthenewwest6045 it's a good thing to point out stupid generalisations. Nothing good ever comes from negatively stereotyping entire sections of society, just ask European Jews.
@@maxis2k Watch season 1, but stop. It's an amazingly high quality Highly thoughtful season, the likes we don't see very often these days on TV. But don't bother with season 2. That one is modern-standard: boring, confusing, Girl-power fantasie.
I gave up when I realised that the writers were going to evade EVERY question that could be interesting about Westworld FOREVER. They keep dangling the corrot that interesting answers will come, but in the end you're supposed to fill those blanks yourself because they are lazy writers with contempt for the viewership. It's a bait and switch scheme in the form of a series.
Wow. Beautifully put. Very precise brother man. “ ambitions surpassing capabilities “ I have been trying to figure out what the problem is these days. I don’t think I could have put it any better.
You know, the Native American episode was actually my favorite episode of the season, only because unlike the rest of the season, it told a whole and coherent story, weirdly that's the episode I remember the most, and I haven't watched it since season 2 came out
Once they completely ignored the philosophical question of Maeve being replaced and how she’d feel about an exact copy of her, I just gave up. That alone could give them conflict for an entire season, and they spend it on these pointless mysteries that just go on and on..
She plays the same smug cunt in every single fucking dogdamn film or tv show she's in. The fact that she's kinda ugly and charisma free makes it that much more annoying she's in FUCKING EVERYTHING.
It's so comforting to see that I'm not the only one that has these thoughts about Season 2 of Westworld. I went on the subreddit of Westworld and wanted to have a conversation with anyone that agreed and disagreed with me, and it essentially ended in someone insinuating that I was a murderer for saying that I couldn't support the psychopathic murderous protagonists of season 2 lol
@perochialjoe , Infinity Train, Gravity Falls, Stranger Things, Dark Crystal Age of Resistance, Spiderverse, Whiplash, Knives Out, Parasite, Hilda, My Hero Academia, etc (the list goes on), are good to great examples of modern storytelling. If you honestly think that there's nothing good on anymore, welp, your loss. Continue to live in your self righteousness, that modern storytelling is "men are terrible and woman are perfect at everything. What a garbage argument.
Says the one with the Billy and Mandy avatar. But I suppose let's be real, even then early 2000s TV and movies were great and didn't have this agenda stuff.
I watched season 2 and I swear I didn't understand anything! the timeline was fucked up, they kept jumping between timelines back and forth I completely lost track of anything that was going on. They tries to do the True Detective 3 formula but they failed big time.
Very good video. I was captivated just listening to the summary of season one. Unfortunately I had trouble with anything beyond season one. It was just frustrating!
I couldn't go trough the second season. I get it. It's the turn where the robots become alive but it just turned a mystery sci-fi cowboy series into overkill revenge porn by Mary Sue characters without any mystery. "Oh, just turn my intelligence stat to 10 and I am a superhero suddenly" like its a video game.
So what you're saying is Westworld has become a show with not just one Captain Marvel, but a whole bunch of Captain Marvels. It's a Breelarstravaganza! (I just copyrighted that).
@@CEWIII9873 Well, I also copyrighted Brielarsmorgasbord, so I'll be alright. I thought about copyrighting "clamslamathon" too, but I'm scared of Just Some Guy.
The original season of west world was brilliant. A non-linear experiment in unreliable narration. These are archetypes of novels that are hard to pull off in TV. And they did it beautifully. Not to mention the character arcs and pacing up until the end. Masterfully written. And the ending was perfect. It should have been left there.
I stopped watching after the first few episodes. Too many "shots to the head" for me to feel comfortable watching. Are all shows like this now? interesting premise though...
Fernando Rosales I agree. It was a wonderful lense to view humanity and how we really are. Then it ends with a "bell ringing" , signalling our age coming to a end and its now time for another one to take the stage. Then S2 had to happen.
The gunfights were a total fail for me. How many trained soldiers can get killed by tiny guns that go through their body armor like it's nothing!? Also the soldiers can't hit anything. The "hosts" just stand around and never get shot. There is no reason for them to be avoiding the bullets. They don't make any quick bullet dodging movements or anything.
I thought Season 2 was bad because of all the mystery that lead to nothing but confusion, but this works too. One of things that irked me to no end in Season 2 was the ineptitude of the company security. I can understand in Season 1 because they are not used to seeing the hosts as a threat. In Season 2 though they just had a huge massacre. They should have liquidated the entire world, men, women, children, hosts, no witnesses. If it doesn't have a badge it gets blasted. (Yes, you need a stinking badge!) But I guess you cannot have an evil corporation that's actually intelligent. That would be too much like an interesting story.
it was truly brilliant, reminded me of spielberg's directorial debut 'Duel', in the sense of an unstoppable chilling force chasing the protagonist, which is also why the first two Terminator movies were so brilliant. The original 1973 Westworld feels like something Spielberg would have wanted to direct, given he did Jurassic Park, and both were written by Michael Crichton. the dinosaur amusement park was a warning about genetic engineering, Westworld was a warning about robots or machines taking over humanity and turning on us. It was also a warning about human over reliance on technology, as the theme park guests in both films trusted the technology of the park to keep them safe. This is a Crichtonian recurring theme I never got to watch the sequel 'future world;; though-have you seen it-is it any good compared to the first film? I want to rent it and give it a go this week as i presume it will explain why the androids develop their own will and turn bad.
@@chipchipperson5420 i really want to see future world, the original film being a nostalgic memory of my childhood-i watched it in the nineties when i was in late middle school/early high school. at about the age of twelve. It was a reliable rerun film on tv every year, so I always watched it and never grew bored by it and it never diminished the chilling heart stopping chase between the gunslinger android and the surviving guest. However when they showed the other different themed parks they had , e.g. roman world, it was done in the perfect way, the cameras showed loads of guests dead in all the parks. and when the guest enters the other parks while escaping gunslinger android even though you and I know they were in a westworld amusement park withr androids faking the rest of the inhabitants, when he passes into the other 'worlds', it has a M Night shyamalan feel to it. It's done really well, as we only see the other worlds when the cyborgs turn rogue and start killing the tourists.
yeah its like good writers got replaced by hams. reminds me of how game of thrones had incredible monolouges and quoteables and complex story all up to season 7 then it was just sjw bullshit
I think that the writers' long term plan probably went like this: S1--hosts attain consciousness. S2--hosts escape the park. S3--hosts enter our world. The problem is that "escape the park" should never have been a whole season, and making it into one required the narrative to expand out, not forward, to fill the space.
Mexican World next? Or maybe further south? A gritty, violent show about the rise of the incas? Too much identity politics nowadays... Makes Startrek TNG feel like a fake when it tangled a few issues (in a good way mind you).
@@kummakummakummakummakummac8606 She/He's probably a big fan of the show, their salt may not be coming from an SJW place, but a rose-tinted goggles place.
Westworld, also known as "Remember that really Star Trek TNG episode about if Data should be considered a person? Yeah we are gonna do that except take 10 episodes to get what Star Trek did in 1."
@@Budzilla24 100%, the absolute best episode of S2. I also really enjoyed Riddle of the Sphinx too, felt like a throwback to S2 of LOST when we find out about Desmond and the hatch.
I honestly stopped watching this video when he mentioned that subplot. It confirmed to me that he was too hellbent on proving his extreme SJW theory that he was willing to bend opinions and present them as "facts" as to why this season was bad. Was there blatant agenda-pushing? I'd argue yes, but he went from throwing the accusation out there to just naming scenes and saying "see? total SJW moment" without any ACTUAL proof/explanation . Usually his rants have a little more substance to them. This was purely the former: a rant.
@@WingTzu343 I don't know. It seems to me that structurally the Indian episode was brought up in the section stating that they had lost the plot in the second season, wandering around with subplots that never contributed to the main plot. Even in this thread all that I am hearing is that it was a good episode, that they could have put anywhere. That however means that at best it is world building, and at worse just a filler episode. If by season two they are stuffing in filler episodes, it is sign that they are running out of ideas. If it is world building, it is a sign of sloppy writing, they couldn't weave it into other episodes. As stated, if I wanted to watch a movie about that I would just watch dancing with wolves. There are native American shows that are not played by theme park animatronics, what makes this episode important to the story of the theme park?
Its been going on for 40 years ,subtle at first to just get you used to it but now its full throttle and all story has taken a back seat to the Ideology of the truth ministry .
Hey, we get to look like genii divining the future with these shows. "I foresee... the female characters will save the hapless, hopeless, dopey men", and annoy everyone by pointing out the predictable plots. With any luck they too will never be able to unsee the lame agenda every time it pops up.
And know we know why the best episode of season 2 was episode 8. Because it gave us a break from the ridiculously complicated story which was made mainly to make the writers look smart.
Ford was a genius, he saw that the future Seasons of Westworld were going to be terrible so orchestrated his own death so as to always be remembered as the best part of the show.
Yes, Sir Anthony has special powers due to a 60+ year career in this weird profession of acting.
The best role of his life, I'd say!
he came back in s2 though
if this was reddit, I would give this comment gold
@Főfasírozó ....Are you okay mate?
im glad season 1 can basically be a stand-alone show.
Just like stranger things lol
Agreed
@@guitarvative3145 Second season of Stranger Things wasn't so bad, ignoring the very awkwardly, randomly placed 11-comingofage episode. The story itself was nothing new, but Sean Astin rocks and the characters had such cute developments.
It was a great story.
But last episode of first season killed all my interest in this show.
Thank you. I was wondering if i could watch it and stop there ))
Imagine if everyone in Sons of Anarchy bought a Prius in season 2. That's Westworld.
Spot On
Lmao
KeK
And Priuses aren’t half bad: they get good mileage
Brilliant!
Season 1 is a masterpiece. I was stuck in season 2 limbo trying to understand what the hell is going on. Now I'm not even gonna bother. Thanks mate
Let's hope season 3 is good. Otherwise, I will just stop caring and just keep future seasons in my watchlist in the below pile. Season 1 was so fucking amazing. It felt it was it's only self- contained storyline. Season 2 was going great till episode 6. Afterwards, it started to fall apart. They literally fucked up the storyline and the plotholes. Thank god, some of the character's development was not ruined. At least the difference between Season 2 of WW and Season 8 of GOT is that WW still has a chance to improve and make sure everything is well. GOT S8 just fucked everything up. I liked GOT S8 up till the 3rd episode. After that, it just got lazy and jumped the shark. The jump the shark scene was burning King's Landing. I only kept on watching because of the technical effects and performances. The dialogue, character roles, character development, feminist tones, plot, and the storyline was just thrown out the window. I mean, HBO said they would give David and Dan 4 more seasons to finish the saga after Season 7. Instead, they just took 1 season and fucked it up. Appreciate Disney for firing them as they would have done more damage already. Even Geroge RR Martin said the ending didn't make any sense. I still have hope for Westworld, otherwise, I will just wait till gets over and watch all the rest of the seasons feeling interested knowing that the future seasons are terrible if Season 3 goes the same route as Lost. Hope it does a True Detective manoeuvre where season 1 was a masterpiece, season 2 is forgettable and only watchable for the acting, but season 3 is not superior to season 1 but at least has renewed interest to watch it and love the show again.
So true, when the show stops being fun and hot, and instead feels like some after school special crap, that's when you know it's going down.
Rishi Kaufman season 3 Ass 2
@@eli2cose29 nobody blames you, I bet she dosnt even show boobs this season.
Season 3 had its promising elements, but then it turned into this pile of overcomplicated, cliched sci-fi flick with piles of meaningless action and chicks in tights. The characters were so bland it was a goddamn crime. William, Bernard - turned into meaningless third rate characters with basically 0 contribution to the plot. Stubbs (one of my favourites, btw) was brought back with an interesting plot twist, just to be turned into a drunk comic relief (WTF?!). The motivations of Maeve and Dolores? Maeve constantly ranting how it is all a fake story and nothing is real, but keeps chasing the daughter from her fake story? Dolores on the quest to destroy mankind suddenly reveals she was a philantropist all along in the last 20 minutes? Give me a break...
But the biggest crime of all was Vincent Cassel's Serac... The man was acting so well and the premise of the predictive machine similar to person of interest was very promising at first. Its minimalistic design was also very well executed and brought a great deal of mystery in the first episodes. And then it all turned into a mess, Serac became a cartoonish villain, plot lines came from left and right trying to bring higher meaning and complexity out of nowhere. The magic in season one was that while it had a multilayered story with many mysteries, it was focused and well executed. In this season you can't get to the point, and at the end there wasn't even any point at all. Just "in this world, you can be whoever the f**k you want". Thanks...
The worst crime of the show is wasting Ed Harris.
He is still alive... As a host
And Sir Hopkins.
I hope he has a good,badass role in Top Gun: Maverick.
@@tiaaaron3278 I wouldn't keep my hopes high for that one. Judging from the trailer, it looks like he's playing the Navy version of the "hand in your badge and your gun" 80s action movie police chief.
@EthnoEuropean's CountriesAreBeingInvaded Fuck off you bigot piece of shit.
I’ve actually reached the point where anything that has JJ Abrams associated with it is an instant ‘I’ll pass’ for me.
Ditto. I cant stand anything he does. Its all constant mini climaxes and chaotic. Im a fan of a good build up, climax and resolution
Steven Hunt i think the first thing i saw of his was transformers. So yea, about then. I hated it. Felt like a damn panic attack
@@puremaledark8305 Pretty sure he had fuck all to do with Transformers.
@Cinema Gaming Holly shit, I didn't know JJ was apart of this. That explains everything!! There isn't a single franchise safe from that fuckin' guy and his "creative ideas".
Yep
I remember Bob Odenkirk joking once that you can't make a show that's too good, or some people will come in and say "no no, it has to be a little shitty." That joke aged really well.
This is what irritates me: Hollywood these days is more concerned with making female characters strong and independent before making them relatable and interesting. Little tip for you writers: Strong characters don't have to say they're strong. It's apparent to anyone, both within their respective stories and to the audience. How about you give your 'strong, independent' women actual character arks? Or is that just too damn hard?
arc *
Well, I'm sure you have heard the great news by now.
All scripts will now be fed through a program to make sure they are diverse enough, and don't disparage any of the protected classes BEFORE they are ever considered.
Oh what a wonderful time to be alive...................
They just make the male characters weaker to prop up the women, just look at all franchises that have went 'woke'
Doesn't fit their narrative...
@Don Cornelius
As a matter of fact, I'm in the midst of writing my own fantasy trilogy as we speak. I can guarantee that my characters have more personality and development than anything you can make.
There are a ton of strong, well written female characters out there. Here are a few for you:
Adare hui'Malkeenian from the Chronicles of the Unhewn Throne
Nasuada from the Inheritance Cycle
Katara from Avatar the Last Airbender.
Astrid Hofferson from the How To Train Your Dragon franchise.
Hermione Granger from the Harry Potter franchise
Katniss Everdeen from the Hunger Games franchise
Raisa anna'Marianna from the Seven Realms quadrilogy
Nachia Krous from the Seven Forges quadrilogy.
Toph Beifong from Avatar the Last Airbender
Aveline de Grandpré from Assassin's Creed.
Claire from the Outlander series.
Black Widow from The Avengers
Lyra Silvertongue from the His Dark Materials series.
Evie Frye from Assassin's Creed.
If you want more, just say the word.
You see, it's not that hard to create a female character that is interesting and compelling, as long as you have at least a basic understanding of human emotion and personality. But then, I wouldn't expect you to understand. You clearly have less emotional understanding than the average pre-schooler.
How does it feel to watch all of your favorite franchises go down in flames?
It feels pretty good.
Gives me a reason to do something with my life...
Feels great ! No really, those are tears of joy !
Hey, it has only been Game of Thrones and Westworld and True Detective and Star Wars and Star Trek and Mass Effect, and Halo and SimCity...
At least they have not ruined Breaking Bad or Madmen yet.
You begin to get used to it.
The show literally died with Anthony Hopkins’ character
He's not really dead though. Or haven't you watched S2?^^
You mean figuratively.
@British Blue lol. Yeah!
symbolic. Out with the old, in with the new.
@@orc001 Man, people are so dumb. They have no idea what "literally" means.
Took me until S2E1 to stop caring.
It went from a genuinely thought-provoking "what is it to be human?" essay to a cookie-cutter "robots be free!" story in the space of one episode.
this sums my experience lol! the potential the show that had but didt go through!
The episode about Akecheta was the absolute best episode of the season. His awakening & the way he tries to awaken others is the most moving discovery-of-self-awareness of all the characters- it wasn't painstakingly nurtured, rolled back, then reignited with "dream" code or a new "escape" narrative.
I felt exactly the same, in my opinion it was well written and the direction was impeccable, Westworld at it's best.
I liked it too, and yet I couldn't help but wonder if it ever actually happened, or if that was just backstory that Maeve retroactively programmed into him to make him protect her daughter.
@@TracinyaLachance no, I think it happened. Maeve was listening in & he taught her about the door. He grabbed the daughter as maeve screamed no, thinking he was going to hurt the girl but he did so to protect her before Maeve would have had the chance to reprogram him.. He only ever hurt those he was scripted to or forced to, other than that he was a kind, inquisitive, strong-willed person. His story included scenes about him carving the maze on the underside of scalps, something the man in black discovered in a different episode when he scalped kissy.
Thank you.... I really thought this episode was the best of the show in my opinion.
I won't lie either I really liked the Shogun World episode too.
It was the only good one
This sounds like someone had a fantastic idea for a one-season TV show and then HBO ordered a second season and they had no idea what to do.
Virgil @ like strange things?
Sad thing about that is that HBO actually planned this from the start as their next 7-8 season big budget show for when Game of Thrones ended.....
Actually, the showrunners already have a plan for 5 seasons total. They know where they are ending, leading up to, etc. 🤷🏻♀️😄 But good guess.
glenwood89420 @ GoT S8 was a disaster, like it was written in a parallel universe, nothing to do with the previous seasons and just plain meh?
@@KabbalahSherry doesnt make it good tho
When I first watched Westworld Season 1 I thought that was going to be the end of the whole show forever. It was a good ending! After season 2, I resolved to _continue_ to believe that Season 1 was the only season.
After seeing S1 of Westworld, I didn't feel like I needed any more of it.
Kind of how I regard Game Of Thrones seasons 7 and 8. Naw they never happened.
my same thought.........i also think the same about stranger things, since season 1 i dont feel the same vibe, it just feels like they are trying to get the feeling of the 1st season all over again with each new season
money to be made sequels to concoct
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"The show is called Westworld for a reason" is the most biting critique you could make
Season 1 kept me hooked and made me interested to see where the story was going. Season 2 felt like a chore to watch. I stopped caring and I just wanted it to be over.
That’s about how I feel too hell Skip right on over It and just got to season three it gets a little bit better but it’s never gonna be what it was when you inject feminist agenda and anything it instantly turns into shit that’s what happened they took a good thing An tried to muddy it with a message
That's exactly how I felt.
@@logancook435 season 3 is so much worse wtf are you talking about
@@imkool51391season 4 was a small improvement but still a mess
The Drinker: How I Learned to Stop Caring and Trust the Booze
That sounds like something you would put on a shirt or a mug
@@Megatron_95 no, a shot glass. A really big shot glass.
@@ianstuart371 or a glass pint
In Booze we trust
@@WhiteThunder121 there should be on a flag
I told my wife the other day that I'm tired of her gender. Her response was "me too".
Found the right one, it seems :)
@@StuntcatTV My wife hates girl power more than I do as well.
@@dasparado stay married
Does she have a sister?
Did everyone start clapping afterwards? :^)
The absolute best line of season one was when Bernard said "what door".
The most chilling "it doesn't look like anything to me"
@@aceredstone119 I knew instantly what it meant. One of the biggest twist, but then when I went back and rewatched it I could see other indicators. Very well done.
@Kevin Potts Like when he was being strangled the first time he stumbled into that cabin. And Ford appears from nowhere. In retrospect, oh he used the door that Bernard couldn't see (smh)
I think Deloris’s boyfriend said it best when he said, “I don’t like what you’ve made me”
Besides making us wait 2 years for 10 shows.
So THAT's why I haven't seen anyone talk about Westworld in a while.
No it's because it took a yr off.season 2 was still great to me
@@lochofmceo - Yeah I don't get the complaints AT ALL. 🙄😒 Most people complained just cuz they were too slow to be able to follow along w/the out-of-sequence timelines. But the season gave us some of the best acting & most heartfelt scenes in the show to date! Episode 8 "Kiksuya" (I think it was called that), about the leader of the Ghost Nation tribe, was SO incredibly well done. My heart was thoroughly broken watching that episode.
@@KabbalahSherry Must be really nice to belong the small circle of elightened ones with the big brains. But here i am, all slow and unable to follow along. If only i had a big brain like yourself, so i could make baseless assumptions on the cognitive abilities of people i disagree with in a lazy ass attempt of character assassination instead of adressing valid criticism.
@@KalJerico465 BAM
@@KabbalahSherry *Forced melodrama < well-written drama.* Do you happen to be a fan of soap operas or any shows produced by the CW Network? I'd put money on one or both.
Westworld..."It's a show that effectively blew it's creative load in the first season." Best single line description. Period. Drinker my friend you certainly have a way with words.😆
he's a writer :)
its* (contraction only when it + is, ownership always without ')
@Jimmy Rustles Fair enough, it's just that he actually did more work adding that apostrophe ;)
Tbh, the Native American episode was pretty great as a standalone concept, but added little value to the overall story and season arch.
Agreed. I personally thought it was one of the more interesting narratives of Season 2, but it was not essential to the overall story
Glad to find people thinking the same thing. Not necessary/essential to the story, but a very interesting look into the universe, and a good creative outlet for the writers to tell something different without compromising the show (they already capitalized on many other opportunities for that). I enjoyed that episode a lot.
Like Drinker, I questioned why it was being added in at first, but the narrative quickly grew on me after realizing it was supposed to be a tangential look into the universe.
only good episode from S2, that's a S1 level episode
I stopped watching Westworld after Season 1 because the story was finished and fully self-contained. I wasn't even aware of plans for sequels until much later. Leaving the future of the hosts an unresolved question made for the perfect ending because it showed their emancipation; now they'd be just as free and uncertain about their destiny and roles as humans are. It didn't feel like a story that needed more telling.
When I learned about sequel seasons, I instinctively noped right the fuck out. It seeped that corporate cash grab and hollywood political fetishism vibe right away.
This man is the very definition of: "In vino veritas".
Never change, Drinker.
In Scandinavia we have a life saving drink called aqua vitae. Directly translated it means "water of life".
he's our huckleberry... a real daisy
@@patmagh apart from both being in Latin I don't see how your reply relates to Archlord V's post, I may be missing something?
@@Wrenchfayce In Italy we call "acquavite" any distilled product with high alcoholic content, usually derived from grains or fruit. I guess @SonsOfNorth's Scandinavian aqua vitae has the same root.
@John Galt ah, that makes sense, aqua vitae is actually and it's derivatives is actually a pretty common term in Europe and as you might expect (being Latin) it came from the Roman Empire and so probably referred to wine originally... I think for the Critical Drinker we need to get something stronger! :p
"Westworld? That's still on?"
OR
"Did you ever hear the Tragedy of Westworld the series?"
I couldn't say. Since Game of Thrones ended HBO doesn't have a single show worth watching.
"It had such a knowledge of the park side that it could even keep the ones we cared about from dying."
You're crazy Westworld is the best show on TV!
It's not a story HBO would tell you.
Honestly I didn't even care about women replacing all the men protagonists, it's making them basically superheroes in an instant with no consequence and no limitation to what they can do that made me hate the show so much.
When you said "mostly" as the camera jumped to Charlotte, I jumped up to write this as I smiled. I thought I was the only one who thought she overplayed her part. The actor who plays "Charlotte", at least in the first two seasons, was out of her league.
Ironic that the Season 2writers are themselves NPCs.
The Hosts started writing their own story lines :D
@Scion of Madness NPCeeeeeeee
@Scion of Madness NPCCCCCCCC
@Scion of Madness what a nerd
Using the NPC designator is meant to dehumanize, to ignore, demean and dispose of the unwanted by violence.
It's a mind-tool of nut job extremist and it's used primarily by grown weak willed cowards that will never be men ... and 12 year olds who thinks it makes them look cool.
10:30 When your writers' room starts pitching Nazi WWII crossovers, your show is done. Move on.
Mr. Godwin has entered the writer's room, it seems.
But but but it's topical you know because orange man bad and capitalism bad and anyone saying things I don't like is bad and they're all NAZI'S. Where's my safe space?
RIP Startrek
UA-cam: "This video may be inappropriate for some viewers"
Me: *immediately slams like button*
you are actually so cool and edgy :)
This. This is the best review of the show in it's entirety that I have seen thus far. Accurate and to the point. Nothing gets past you. Subbed.
"Stunning and brave characters Brie Larsoning themselves in to the stratosphere"
You hit the proverbial nail on the head!
It is sad that Capt Marvel punching the old lady IS NOT an homage to Austin Powers IT'S A MAN, BABY.
Thank you for using "proverbial"
These days people always say "Literally"
pretty dark times we are living in.
@@theaholio7037 its literally ironic that you praise him for using proverbial before a metaphor, which is redundant, yet berate those who would use literally as an intensifier that has literally been in use in english for over at least two hundred years now
ignorance and elitism doesnt look good on anyone
@@Matty002 - Yep, and there is no such thing as a 'proper' way to use a word. If enough people do it it's the proper way.
@@Matty002 Where exactly in my post did i mention anything being correct or incorrect? I didn't, at all, so you can save your lesson on grammar for someone who needs it. By the way, "Literally" is a word that has been misused so often that they added the opposite definition of it in 2013, making it a meaningless word. So no, it hasn't been used the way you describe for over 200 years.
"Totally disconnected from reality" shows Kathleen Kennedy
I knew this comment would be here somewhere LOL
I scrolled down just to give it a like..
Is there a better example on the entire *Planet* just now, other than that tosspot In the White House?
Why is he a tosspot? Black unemployment at its lowest since the 60's, getting both halves of Korea to the table to talk peace, but yeah, he said pussy once soooooo, racist! sexist! You brainwashed maggot of a human.
@@jonskinner5664 SJW's r idiots, Trump was talking about groupies when he said "and they let u do it"
wonder how those idiots would react if they knew what rockstars got up to with groupies?
@@GenericUsername-qp1ww They are underachievers compared to Wilt Chamberlain and The Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King.
I want to see "WorldWest" where they show the film in the proper order with less flashbacks/flashforwards.
Impossible! Lmao we all want
Very well done man! ALL my thoughts exactly. The only other thing that pisses me off is that after season 1, I had to wait 2 years to get to get disappointed!
"and yet, while all these stunning and brave female characters are busy Brie-Larsoning themselves into the stratosphere"
The writing in these videos is a thing of beauty.
Yeah, this man has something most of hollywood is missing. Talent.
Glad to see it wasn't my imagination.
Mysteries in stories are like lingerie, they are intriguing and fuel the imagination, but finally they have to be lifted and there has to be a payoff.
This man knows what it truly means to be a Gordon.
@@EshiMan1 Nice Ross reference.
And in the case of season two, there was nothing but a giant skid-mark
@@TheBottlenose33 Lol.
Spunky McGoo who’s Ross?
I KNEW this show would go to complete crap after the first season. I swear to god. I just knew they wouldn't know what to do with it afterwards, like Prison Break. Both Prison Break and Westworld exist only in Season 1 for me.
the boys season 2 is goin the same way judging by the trailer with the feminazi stormfront controlling homelander
Prison break was going to be a one season limited series. Then they decided to stretch it. Smh
@@MegaBaddog The boys season 2 was pretty fucking awesome tho
I still think Westworld should have been an anthology.
Just wait for when “The Boys” on Amazon goes down in flames. Love that show.....for now
Amazon doesn't need that Soros money so I have faith.
@blue yellow your are serious ? who care about the fight in this show
They are having a white superpower character on the show next season so you might be right. The character is a woman, so might not be too bad.
@blue yellow well he is supposed to be unstoppable that's why they showed them trying to kill the invisible dude, the later episodes aren't as great as the first but it's definitely still good
Nah prime video is based af that shit gonna be great
I lost interest early in season 2. Pretentious and boring = pass.
The season two wokeness bait-and-switch. Should have seen this coming.
I enjoyed it but by the end of season one I knew it was all over, so didn't even bother with season 2. They blew through ALL their good and worthy plot lines in season 1 as if they were lines of coke, leaving nothing left on the table for future seasons.
Season 1 was an enjoyable and interesting plot driven by well developed and clearly motivated characters.
Season 2 had a confusing timeline, irritating characters that pulled a 180 into stupid. This show just went up it's own ass in pretentiousness.
Exactly...it just drips of pretentiousness...I tried but just gave up on it...
@@supastar25 Admittedly, its hard to give a shit when you can't follow the plot. Its even harder when the show still thinks its some philosophical masterpiece not realizing that fuel was all burned up first season.
Mostly talented actors stops on Tessa Thompson lol 😂
Tessa Thompson was the villain in this season, wasn't she. ;)
Lol Yeah honestly she’s the worst part about the show I fucking hate her something about her just doesn’t sell it for me
She's a very pretty girl but not a very good actress. Plus she makes Brie Larson-esque statements to the press and on social media that also lessens her appeal.
Oh gosh, we saw a fantastic series undermined by itself in the second season. Like Star Wars and even Star Trek, it had it all: talent, budget, writers, production. I mean Oscar talent. They blew it because of identity politics, the stain of the 2010s that ruined so many properties.
I wasn't able to make it through all of season 2 because it was awful. It was utterly mired in sophomore year Women's Studies. It made Sir Anthony Hopkins, one of Britain's most prized treasures, a laughing joke.
Whenever I hear about a new tv show/movie/adaptation/reboot is announced, the first question that comes to my mind is “How Woke will it be?”
I'm even past that. The first thing that comes to my mind if it's a show I once loved is "Oh please God no"
Ironically, one of the lesser woke shows of late was Godless. Whose premise is set around a town full of women and a few men, which takes place in the late 1800s.
Ikr.. Woke producers never seem to have enough creativity to make their own woke story and characters so they always take the ones you love and transgender it to a man hating smug mary sue.. Or as the drinker called it.. Brie Larsoning it😂😂
Yes is the answer
It should have ended after season one.
Right. The ambiguity became fucking annoying. Is Ed Harris reborn in the future or not? Fuck that...just TELL US. Shit, be creative. Take a risk and show us a world overrun by hosts where the humans serve them.
Agreed. I wasn’t excited for season 2 because I knew they had nowhere to go, and I was right
Better yet after the first movie
@@ericl8261 Smart. I, like most people thought the creators would come up with something new.
It did.
One thing though:
The one episode about the native americans was by far the besten thing of season 2.
Because it was cut off of the main narritive. Because it felt simple and was easy to watch without the bullshit we had to put up until now.
I disagree on the Akecheta episode. That was my favorite in S2 and because it was the only one further exploring the haunting themes of Deus Ex Machina, soul, and existential crisis.
It had to be a Native American character because the android got out of programming for close to 10 years, which won't really be possible for a regular character.
Season 1 hit me so hard that as a psychologist I ran to library for books on bicameral mind theory and several others.
Season 2 hit me so hard that as a Star Wars fan i ran to see the credits if Kathleen Kennedy is mentioned amongst producers.
Agreed on S1: it made me pick Julian Jaynes' book back up.
Season one hit me so hard I realized I was autistic. Not even kidding.
@@pointcuration1278 💀
@@atomicalien4 yeah lol. It was probably a couple of weeks later I mentioned to my psychologist that I was thinking about getting a diagnosis and I was hit with nodding and "....you have autism."
Yawn, I absorbed and digested that book years ago. Good stuff. The evolution of consciousness in the breakdown of the bi cameral mind.
Season one was sooooooooo good, and two was a disaster, I gave up after three episodes when everyone said it never gets better.
Westworld S1 was one of the most incredible pieces of art I've ever seen. I've never had any real interest in watching S2.
I didn't like it even in episode 1 but I had no choice but to finish it since I was hopeful that it will get better. After all Anthony Hopkins is in the show.
I guess I was wrong. :(
@@neansath Yep, that's what everyone kept saying so I took their advice and didn't throw away my time. Apparently now even drunk Scottish people are saying I made the right choice! LOL.
I like to pretend that there's only one season of Westworld, just like I pretend there are only two Indiana Jones films.
@@pants8029 and 6 seasons of game of thrones(arguably 4 or 5)
I actually really liked the Native American arc
It had a coherent narrative, unlike the main plot.
I didn't lol
I'll take anything over something that has Bored Bitchface (Tessa Tompson) or Maevery-Sue
Wow! I thought it was only me who lost interest in the middle of season two.
As a woman I’m actually embarrassed for women the way Hollywood is shoving women good men bad down people’s throats. We are actually becoming weaker because of it. I actually avoid most media nowadays. It’s the great outdoors for me thanks. 🤟
They seem to be under the impression that women are best when acting like men, which is a sexist presumption. The best female characters are ones that embrace the advantages and strengths of being a woman, typically involving intriguing and plotting - activities which are fundamentally interesting to watch.
Good observation
I actually don't feel like this is something that sticks out in Westworld (like it might in other shows and movies) unless you're primed to see it by people who have reflexive reasons to fixate on it.
strong female characters were done properly over 10 years ago *points to Eowyn, Ripley and Princess Leia* whereas these days it just sees to be "make women all powerful Mary Sues"
Mag
Reality is always better and the truth will set you free.
That's the essence of the red pill
I learned one thing from westworld. When humanity is conquered by AI it will be the robots with the female aesthetic designs who will be the alphas.
Atleast feminist are realistic in their writing. If they had shown real females being this competent it would have broke my suspension of disbelief.
So you missed the human daughter of the big bad cowboy in black who was kicking ass all season 2 man handle him , humilate him to his face and then push him over and stand over him because she is the powerful one .
That is why I watch old movies. This period in history can be called later by historians (if any of them survive telling the truth) with the dramatic name "The great madness".
You deliver the best critiques of cinema.. Your reviews and analysis cuts through the crap and delivers spot on observations. Thanks so much!
I’d even forgot about it. Unreal difference between seasons 1 & 2. Shocked they’re doing a season 3.
THERES A SEAON 3?! oh my fuck
I honestly thought the show ended with Season 2. I hadn’t seen any news, articles, or appetite whetting commercials for a third season until Drinker made this little zinger.
@@iridiumcaptain How'd the whole Brexit thing go Mr. time traveller?
@@derekbryceson7080 oh shit, I actually thought there was a 3rd. I watched season 2? Well... it was garbage.
Season 1 is a self-contained masterpiece. Just stop afterwards. That's it. That's the end. They didn't "sacrifice" anything for the finale. That's the finale of the whole concept. Journey into Night. We don't need to actually SEE the journey into night. Just know how we got to it.
Exactly
That's what I did. I'm satisfied having only watched season 1
@Dave The Brahman Or Nip/Tuck season 4 onwards
Episode 1 is actually already enough.
Unless the pain of Season 2 pays off spectacularly in Season 3, this is exactly what I'm going to tell people in the future about how to watch this show. Not unlike The Matrix trilogy, which arguably suffers from the exact same pitfalls.
I was thinking about giving season 2 and possibly 3 another try. Decided to watch this review first since CD is usually spot on. Thanks for saving me from that madness. I made it through two episodes of season 2 and that was enough for me.
Season 2 has lots of high points. Season 3, like Highlander 2, does not exist.
The native American episode was actually my favorite
Mine to for sure, it had some soul to it.
There's a pattern here.
1.series/movie is successful
2.The left latches on to it like a parasite on a host
3. Host gets sickly
4. Host dies
5. Leftist look for a new host
the fuck does this have to do with the left, you flavor-aid drinking npc?
They do this because they’re losing members and are getting desperate to hold onto their cultural monopoly.
@@rebotsomat well he means the sjw pc culture that the left align with. They are all worried about offensive words & whatever the hell else, just look at them on twitter.. basically they're bitches. I know cool liberals, but we're talking about the extreme left, dominating Hollywood and msm. See, conservatives could give a jack shyt about the crap the left " care about". Don't think about it as political division tho., it's more this activist, neo Marxist bullshit that they are trying to implement. Don't take it personal, unless yous a bitch too. Just face facts. To be fair, I surely don't like every Republican out there. Part of the left has gone nuts, if you can't admit that, well you obviously haven't watched cnn.
@@rebotsomat Ah I see that you're using the leftist Chewbacca defense. Rebot Somat you're a diabolical cunning mastermind.
@@commonclayofthenewwest6045 it's a good thing to point out stupid generalisations. Nothing good ever comes from negatively stereotyping entire sections of society, just ask European Jews.
Jar Jar Abrams has a hand in this show...don’t forget that
Thanks for warning me. I'm not going to watch it.
I will never, ever regret coming up with that nickname and plastering it everywhere
@CrowdPleaser 1980 show should have ended right there
@@maxis2k Watch season 1, but stop.
It's an amazingly high quality Highly thoughtful season, the likes we don't see very often these days on TV.
But don't bother with season 2. That one is modern-standard: boring, confusing, Girl-power fantasie.
@CrowdPleaser 1980 the first season is good but ultimately leads no where and the end is a cliff hanger which never really got fulfilled
I gave up when I realised that the writers were going to evade EVERY question that could be interesting about Westworld FOREVER.
They keep dangling the corrot that interesting answers will come, but in the end you're supposed to fill those blanks yourself because they are lazy writers with contempt for the viewership.
It's a bait and switch scheme in the form of a series.
Wow. Beautifully put. Very precise brother man. “ ambitions surpassing capabilities “ I have been trying to figure out what the problem is these days. I don’t think I could have put it any better.
Dude, please stop with the spot-on analyses, I need to free up that patreon fund.
"As Game of Thrones brought home with painful clarity....." :)
"Woman don't need to be rescued anymore you see, they can rescue themselves... just like in the real world"
You know, the Native American episode was actually my favorite episode of the season, only because unlike the rest of the season, it told a whole and coherent story, weirdly that's the episode I remember the most, and I haven't watched it since season 2 came out
I liked the part where they played the instrumental nirvana song while he was searching.
Once they completely ignored the philosophical question of Maeve being replaced and how she’d feel about an exact copy of her, I just gave up.
That alone could give them conflict for an entire season, and they spend it on these pointless mysteries that just go on and on..
I cant stand Tessa Thompson. Its something about her thats just completely repulsive. The same type of thing with Brie Larson...
I don't usually make fun of people's appearances but she doesn't look human
nah. shes crazy hot :)
She plays the same smug cunt in every single fucking dogdamn film or tv show she's in. The fact that she's kinda ugly and charisma free makes it that much more annoying she's in FUCKING EVERYTHING.
It's smug cuntiness
Shes a feminazi.
Awesome review! You put into words exactly how I felt about the first season and you saved me from waisting more time on the second season.
It's so comforting to see that I'm not the only one that has these thoughts about Season 2 of Westworld. I went on the subreddit of Westworld and wanted to have a conversation with anyone that agreed and disagreed with me, and it essentially ended in someone insinuating that I was a murderer for saying that I couldn't support the psychopathic murderous protagonists of season 2 lol
Reddit is cringe
@@millag93 It can be pretty helpful when virgin Instagram users aren't screaming in my ear that's its cringe
Welcome to modern storytelling. Where men are terrible and women are perfect at everything. Hard to imagine why I don't watch TV or movies anymore.
@Tim Jacuzzi lol
@Tim Jacuzzi you're the King...
@perochialjoe
, Infinity Train, Gravity Falls, Stranger Things, Dark Crystal Age of Resistance, Spiderverse, Whiplash, Knives Out, Parasite, Hilda, My Hero Academia, etc (the list goes on), are good to great examples of modern storytelling. If you honestly think that there's nothing good on anymore, welp, your loss. Continue to live in your self righteousness, that modern storytelling is "men are terrible and woman are perfect at everything. What a garbage argument.
Says the one with the Billy and Mandy avatar. But I suppose let's be real, even then early 2000s TV and movies were great and didn't have this agenda stuff.
Westworld is a brilliant show, I haven't seen season 2 or 3 and I'll gladly leave it at that.
I admire your restraint! Wise decision!
yep.
Its like Matrix, number 1 was genius, the rest is garbage.
One was great two was mhh at best but I still watched it. Three doesn't look interesting to me in the slightest
I watched season 2 and I swear I didn't understand anything! the timeline was fucked up, they kept jumping between timelines back and forth I completely lost track of anything that was going on. They tries to do the True Detective 3 formula but they failed big time.
Very good video. I was captivated just listening to the summary of season one. Unfortunately I had trouble with anything beyond season one. It was just frustrating!
I couldn't go trough the second season. I get it. It's the turn where the robots become alive but it just turned a mystery sci-fi cowboy series into overkill revenge porn by Mary Sue characters without any mystery. "Oh, just turn my intelligence stat to 10 and I am a superhero suddenly" like its a video game.
So what you're saying is Westworld has become a show with not just one Captain Marvel, but a whole bunch of Captain Marvels.
It's a Breelarstravaganza! (I just copyrighted that).
I am stealing that
@@CEWIII9873 Well, I also copyrighted Brielarsmorgasbord, so I'll be alright. I thought about copyrighting "clamslamathon" too, but I'm scared of Just Some Guy.
They may as well be just a bunch of woke feminazi hosts lmao preprogrammed with all the tropes and vitriol and diversity victim points lmao
@@mikec3201 Wokeworld :)
Hahaha
The original season of west world was brilliant. A non-linear experiment in unreliable narration. These are archetypes of novels that are hard to pull off in TV. And they did it beautifully. Not to mention the character arcs and pacing up until the end. Masterfully written.
And the ending was perfect. It should have been left there.
I stopped watching after the first few episodes. Too many "shots to the head" for me to feel comfortable watching. Are all shows like this now? interesting premise though...
Fernando Rosales I agree. It was a wonderful lense to view humanity and how we really are. Then it ends with a "bell ringing" , signalling our age coming to a end and its now time for another one to take the stage.
Then S2 had to happen.
agree. unfortunately season 2 was embarrassingly bad
@@jimbig3997
In reality, it is damn hard to hit anyone with a pistol much less in the head.
I'm flabbergasted that anyone would ever say that the ending to season 1 of westworld was any good
The gunfights were a total fail for me. How many trained soldiers can get killed by tiny guns that go through their body armor like it's nothing!? Also the soldiers can't hit anything. The "hosts" just stand around and never get shot. There is no reason for them to be avoiding the bullets. They don't make any quick bullet dodging movements or anything.
I thought Season 2 was bad because of all the mystery that lead to nothing but confusion, but this works too.
One of things that irked me to no end in Season 2 was the ineptitude of the company security. I can understand in Season 1 because they are not used to seeing the hosts as a threat. In Season 2 though they just had a huge massacre. They should have liquidated the entire world, men, women, children, hosts, no witnesses. If it doesn't have a badge it gets blasted. (Yes, you need a stinking badge!) But I guess you cannot have an evil corporation that's actually intelligent. That would be too much like an interesting story.
The old fashioned Deus ex machina is being replaced by a convoluted Battle of the Mary Sues.
But which will win when they're all godlike!? Oh, the brain pain...
@@jonthepilot6924 Mary Sues, obviously because gender equality and stuff 🤣🤣🤣
@@DJVARAO Yeah, but WHICH Mary Sue. Dun, dun, DUN. 😆
@@jonthepilot6924 All of them!🤣
Sadly, the above hyperbolic comments all not only seem legitimately plausible, but likely.
When I think of Westworld, I think of that movie starring Yul Brynner as a murderous, robot Gunslinger. I like that Westworld better.
I love that film
@@Megatron_95 Yes! Yul Brynner was exceptionally scary in that film, the malfunctioning robot stalking the visitors at the park.
@@OceanbornAngel Ed Harris wasn't bad but he is no Yul Brynner
@@Megatron_95 It's just too bad Yul Byrnner succumbed to his smoking habits. He was an amazing actor.
His only line was "DRAW".
Love season 1 and 2! Very excited for season 3! Hope it's good and that you give it a whirl!
I always wondered why it needed a 2nd Season, the ending of S1 was good enough.
Watch West World, the original 1973 movie with Yul Brynner
Who loves ya baby!
Whilst listening to the song 'Do You Believe in the Westworld' by Theatre of Hate
They also wrecked the sequel to that, “Future World “ though still worth a look (in my opinion ), due to a young and incredibly hot Blythe Danner.
it was truly brilliant, reminded me of spielberg's directorial debut 'Duel', in the sense of an unstoppable chilling force chasing the protagonist, which is also why the first two Terminator movies were so brilliant. The original 1973 Westworld feels like something Spielberg would have wanted to direct, given he did Jurassic Park, and both were written by Michael Crichton. the dinosaur amusement park was a warning about genetic engineering, Westworld was a warning about robots or machines taking over humanity and turning on us. It was also a warning about human over reliance on technology, as the theme park guests in both films trusted the technology of the park to keep them safe. This is a Crichtonian recurring theme I never got to watch the sequel 'future world;; though-have you seen it-is it any good compared to the first film? I want to rent it and give it a go this week as i presume it will explain why the androids develop their own will and turn bad.
@@chipchipperson5420 i really want to see future world, the original film being a nostalgic memory of my childhood-i watched it in the nineties when i was in late middle school/early high school. at about the age of twelve. It was a reliable rerun film on tv every year, so I always watched it and never grew bored by it and it never diminished the chilling heart stopping chase between the gunslinger android and the surviving guest. However when they showed the other different themed parks they had , e.g. roman world, it was done in the perfect way, the cameras showed loads of guests dead in all the parks. and when the guest enters the other parks while escaping gunslinger android even though you and I know they were in a westworld amusement park withr androids faking the rest of the inhabitants, when he passes into the other 'worlds', it has a M Night shyamalan feel to it. It's done really well, as we only see the other worlds when the cyborgs turn rogue and start killing the tourists.
S01 had everyone talking about it and quoting good scenes and dialogues.
S02 had... none of that.
yeah its like good writers got replaced by hams. reminds me of how game of thrones had incredible monolouges and quoteables and complex story all up to season 7 then it was just sjw bullshit
But they made a fortune from dandruff shampoo companies, after they created all that head scratching.
@@davidrieger8816 well there was storylines that were in the books after that it wasnt all linear
You got that right Hugh Fernandes.
Yup, it came and went by without any fanfare, which told me skipping it was a good idea, I was right.
I think that the writers' long term plan probably went like this: S1--hosts attain consciousness. S2--hosts escape the park. S3--hosts enter our world. The problem is that "escape the park" should never have been a whole season, and making it into one required the narrative to expand out, not forward, to fill the space.
Stopped watching halfway through season 2. So disappointing as there are so few shows with this kind of budget and quality.
It took Westworld just one season to achieve what GoT achieved in five.
Westworld went south for me.
GoT achieved in 4 actually, the ending of season 4 were they butchered both Jaime and Tyrion was the beginning of GoT downfall
Mexican World next? Or maybe further south? A gritty, violent show about the rise of the incas?
Too much identity politics nowadays... Makes Startrek TNG feel like a fake when it tangled a few issues (in a good way mind you).
Westworld was sleep time
I stopped watching on the first half of season 2. Couldn't remember why. Now you reminded me of the reasons. Thank you.
So ...you haven't even seen it. Your loss. Likely the drunk guy hasn't seen it either, as the rest of his life has also passed him by.
@@Nautilus1972 You sound triggered, the salt lvl is rising.
Sic Semper Tyrannis - I just left the same comment. According to Nautilus1972 it's our loss.
@@kummakummakummakummakummac8606 She/He's probably a big fan of the show, their salt may not be coming from an SJW place, but a rose-tinted goggles place.
season 2 was great and had a great twist
Women are perfect and never make mistakes or lie didn't you know?
Season 4 coming soon …
Westworld, also known as "Remember that really Star Trek TNG episode about if Data should be considered a person? Yeah we are gonna do that except take 10 episodes to get what Star Trek did in 1."
Thanks - you just saved me from hours of mindless indoctrination
I devored the 1st season. And stopped 2 episodes in the second one.
I think that just says it all.
Had the same with Stranger Things.
That u don´t have the atencion needed to watch the show ?
@@manuelsoares1685 I think if he didn't have the "atencion" he would't have watched the first season
Did your cable box break?
I don't know you, so it says nothing to me.
Wow this was an excellent presentation. I didn't even finish S2... I stopped caring. Didn't even catch the overtones you pointed out
Just makes me glad I got rid of my cable service and rely on DVD, youtube and other internet outlets for entertainment.
My TV DVD collection has been growing since 2014.
I don't know why, but I liked the Native American subplot. But that's the problem with season 2, its a series of subplots without direction.
That was the only good episode of that season, IMHO
@@Budzilla24 100%, the absolute best episode of S2. I also really enjoyed Riddle of the Sphinx too, felt like a throwback to S2 of LOST when we find out about Desmond and the hatch.
me too, but if u think about it? that episode can be applied anywhere coz it shows the separation hosts went through
I honestly stopped watching this video when he mentioned that subplot. It confirmed to me that he was too hellbent on proving his extreme SJW theory that he was willing to bend opinions and present them as "facts" as to why this season was bad.
Was there blatant agenda-pushing? I'd argue yes, but he went from throwing the accusation out there to just naming scenes and saying "see? total SJW moment" without any ACTUAL proof/explanation . Usually his rants have a little more substance to them. This was purely the former: a rant.
@@WingTzu343 I don't know. It seems to me that structurally the Indian episode was brought up in the section stating that they had lost the plot in the second season, wandering around with subplots that never contributed to the main plot. Even in this thread all that I am hearing is that it was a good episode, that they could have put anywhere. That however means that at best it is world building, and at worse just a filler episode. If by season two they are stuffing in filler episodes, it is sign that they are running out of ideas. If it is world building, it is a sign of sloppy writing, they couldn't weave it into other episodes. As stated, if I wanted to watch a movie about that I would just watch dancing with wolves. There are native American shows that are not played by theme park animatronics, what makes this episode important to the story of the theme park?
I miss when media wasn't a constant never ending gurl power circle shlick.
It was always like that, just not as heavy handed until recently.
@@theguybehindyou4762 You know,that's right !If I rewind back my memories about past movies you're making some solid sense !
Its been going on for 40 years ,subtle at first to just get you used to it but now its full throttle and all story has taken a back seat to the Ideology of the truth ministry .
Hey, we get to look like genii divining the future with these shows. "I foresee... the female characters will save the hapless, hopeless, dopey men", and annoy everyone by pointing out the predictable plots. With any luck they too will never be able to unsee the lame agenda every time it pops up.
@@theguybehindyou4762 What are you talking about
old video games almost always had a damsel in distress plot
other than S2E8 Kiksuya being really good, I agree with you 100%:)
And know we know why the best episode of season 2 was episode 8.
Because it gave us a break from the ridiculously complicated story which was made mainly to make the writers look smart.