Thank you for researching this! I remember watching a UA-cam video of a designer who worked on the early Toronados. He explained why Toronados went from hidden headlights in 1969 to exposed in 1970. US regulations came into place stating the minimum time concealed headlights could take to go from concealed to unconcealed. With the vacuum system GM was using, it wouldn't meet the standard, so they just chose to nix the concealed headlights.
I remember when I got a new company car assigned to me with LED headlights coming from HID & Halogens in my personal vehicles at the time I remember being unimpressed while the LED was pretty blinding to oncoming traffic that strict beam cutoff at night didn’t allow me to see the small street signs at night used in my area especially if I was in the more rural parts of my territory. Even with the high beams the cutoff was just below the sign, Not to mention I believe my HID’s still threw light a greater distance when it came to unlit reflective hwy signs. almost 5yrs later my current truck has LED headlights while the street sign thing isn’t a problem with my truck (height may have a lot to do with it) I still say the HID system in my other car and previous truck both threw more light down the road to illuminate those hwy road signs. Also the glass composite headlights on my car with Halogen headlights with never fade and get cloudy like all these modern ones which is probably a whole other subject for a different video 😂👍
Some of the modern migraine-inducing offerings need to be outlawed. They blind other drivers. It bewilders me to think that this obvious safety risk would escape government safety regulators.
Agreed. And misadjusted headlights and misused high-beams need to be stopped. There was a time where one got a verbal/written warning from a cop by having either of those.
Most of those are idiots that install aftermarket bulbs, the others are huge trucks that the bulbs should be placed closer to the bumper but for some reason they are not and are at the exact levels a standard sedans rear view mirror. They should have to lower the placement of those for sure.
WOW, Jon, you really raised the bar in video production with this one. We were very well entertained with both the substance and with the presentation the video offered. The depth of your research cannot be doubted by all the many sources in your credits. An expertly done video and in depth study of an interesting subject. Yes. We agree that our auto industry has been stifled for years if not decades by over regulation. We hope that the Supreme Court's striking down of the Chevron doctrine will free American inventiveness and innovation so that our industries can one day be competitive in the world once again. Looking forward to more fine videos like this in the future. Well done, Jon.
LED lights have many advantages over Halgeon lights - brighter, last longer and don't burn hot as Halgeon does. The only problem is that they can be too bright and blind you
I have serious questions about actual OEM LED modules outlasting halogen lights. If the thermal management is (deliberately?) not good, they will burn out quickly.
@ I don’t own anything new enough to have OEM LEDs but, I don’t find LEDs any more long lasting than halogen. The actual LED itself may very well last forever but the electrical circuit inside always falls. Water eventually ingresses in and it’s game over. I own a semi truck and deal with LED lights failing constantly. Even very expensive ones. Maybe if the companies start actually making the case of the light 100% dust/waterproof, they’d last longer. LEDs also tend to draw more corrosion to the wiring. Idk why this is but it has to do with the lesser amp draw. I switched from halogen headlights to LEDs and I know have to replace the headlight harness yearly because the copper wires just rot away and turn to dust. Next time I’ll just go back to halogens.
Headlights a generation ago: 2-light round, 4-light round, 2-light rectangular, 4-light rectangular. Could break in low-speed impacts. Available everywhere for under $10. Now: Headlight assembly unique to every car. Can break in low-speed impacts. Cost $500-$2500. But they are aerodynamic and give you a .0000372% increase in gas mileage.
True Adaptive headlights were approved years ago, but remain illegal in the USA. The NHTSA isn’t even willing to even talk about a projected approval date as of 11/24.
My wofe has a Porsche cayenne and it has the best headlights i have ever used. Zeon bulbs, turning lights, auto level, brights that light up the night while leaving the zeon bulbs on. They are amazing and a joy to drive at night.
Please forgive me for OFF TOPIC. I went to a Dodge Dealership. New, SMALL crossover hybrid was $44k. You can buy a lot of gas for $1000. FCA is in serious trouble. New Prius (not crossover) is about $14k cheaper.
Yes and it takes quite a bit of both repair and maintenance know how to keep them usable. My first car that took a replaceable insert bulb was a 1988 Olds 98. It had a glass housing. Although it could be damaged by rocks off the road, it never got yellow or hazed. Very preferable. And although the reputation of American cars is they weren't quiet up to par on quality, efficiency and handling, this one in fact got 30 miles a gallon in a large comfortable vehicle and very reliable when sold with 300,000 miles on it- and had good headlights! The respected 3.8 V6. I would do it again.
I was in a small bender at a Bump Shop for repairs. They were not too busy. We talked shop. Insurance cost of average paint job, $15k. We (I) were talking about high prices. Adjuster mentioned there was a high end, Euro-luxury headlight assembly that cost $10k. Yowsir !!!
If you have problems with oncoming headlights you may have: 1) dirty windshield( the inside) 2) poorly- corrected vision And the biggest reason... 3) cataracts. Yes, I'm an eye doctor. Go get your eyes looked at.
With all that "Cut" going on I thought I was on the butcher shop channel! Love your channel Jon, please keep up the great videos. Maybe more bloopers? That put a smile on my face.
Thank for the video information, The first American cars that used rectangular headlights was in 1975 model year by GM. They were on: Oldsmobile Ninety Eight and Oldsmobile Toronado, and Buick Riviera, Electra, Cadillac Deville, Seville, Fleetwood and Eldorado and Pontiac Bonneville and Grand Ville. They then spread to other GM cars in 1976. That is correct and true about Lincoln Mark VII, GM then stared the model the move to flush headlamps in 1986. Great video.
They were also on the '75 Chevy Monza (and hastily badge-engineered Buick Skyhawk and Olds Starfire) which were the first cars "born" with them, the Seville not appearing at new-model intro time and the others you list being facelifts.
@@nlpnt Thank you for your post. I forgot about the Chevrolet Monza, Pontiac Sunbird and Oldsmobile Starfire and Buick Skyhawk. You forgot about Pontiac Sunbird. I do recall the 1975 being facelifted upscale models models that got the headlights first. The other GM cars got them in 1976.
😂The ending.👍 I prefer innovation over regulation although it’s interesting to think that there was a standard for headlights. Makes replacing one so easy.
Great follow up vid, i try to find history Australian ADR rules on headlights but found statement saying you must enough light to sèe 100m away. I remember Pa adding more lights to his farm machinery, 80's young farmers were adding spotlights at front on their bullbars n on the roof/roll bar but you couldn't have odd number of lights like 1 or 3 or 5. Spotlights can be used on the road but must be turn off when encountered oncoming traffic or cover up/folded down when not in use but laws have relax or not enforce. Ford AU falcon in 98 had best headlights ever they were first Ford triangle headlights.
First time I went to France was in 1979 and the whole yellow headlight thing was like... Huh? How? But I really liked them, in fact in the '80s I had them on my Volkswagen here in the states. Cops loved that...
not sure why but the design of headlights and taillights has always been an interest for me. whatever it be for either be for aerodynamic reasons or how it looks. not sure why that is.
Great report. Modern lighting is so much better. One big current misstep is the plastic covers that oxidize and cloud over; especially in sunny climates. This ruins advantages of modern bright lighting. It’s a safety and aesthetic issue.
I thought it was just cheesy of U.S. regulations that it was illegal to cover headlights with Plexiglas. Cars like the 280Z looked so much cooler & streamlined (Europe, late 80s).
I miss sealed beams. With today's U.S.-spec cars, the intensities and aiming is so radically different from car to car that your eyes are constantly re-adjusting and most of what you see is glare. Allowing the intensity to double, then double again, without requiring smart aiming or masking to only direct the light at things that need to be seen was a huge mistake. Any light that is directed at other driver's eyes is not helping you see any better, it's just blinding those coming at you. To make matters worse, with some vehicles having 4 lights even for low beams and others with 2 low-beam lights that are as bright as other's high beams, it's impossible to tell if some cars are using their low or high beams, so some drivers just use their high beams non-stop, while others have fog lights that might as well be high beams. All this misdirected light is more blinding than illuminating, and some experts believe the excess blue component in some LED lights is causing early retina damage in some.
These new lights are ridiculous, many oncoming cars headlights are blinding. At first I thought it was just me growing older and my eyes getting more sensitive.
I can´t help but wonder how US car design would have evolved if not hindered by the sealed beam mandate. Think for example of the -68 Dodge Charger with a head light style like the NSU RO80, German of the same period.......🤮
12:09. This shows the wrong car (the '77 - '86 model). 12:50 The 1st LED DRL was seen on the Audi A8 (only W12) from 2003. 15:20 Absolutely. Also remember the issue with rear turn signals being red and combined with the brake-light... 15:47 Not just that. For decades this cut-off-line had to be asymmetrical with a ramp up on the right side (mirrored for Great Britain). But this appearantly isn't mandatory anymore. I have (had) 3 BMW motorcycles with simple straight cut-off-lines. (Very dislike it because of shorter range.) Very interesting stuff although!
Great content, as always! A bit off-topic, but I wanted to ask: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). How can I transfer them to Binance?
Thank you for researching this! I remember watching a UA-cam video of a designer who worked on the early Toronados. He explained why Toronados went from hidden headlights in 1969 to exposed in 1970. US regulations came into place stating the minimum time concealed headlights could take to go from concealed to unconcealed. With the vacuum system GM was using, it wouldn't meet the standard, so they just chose to nix the concealed headlights.
Interesting!
I seem to recall my Porsche 914 headlights were lit as they came up into position.
Europe is always superior.
I remember when I got a new company car assigned to me with LED headlights coming from HID & Halogens in my personal vehicles at the time I remember being unimpressed while the LED was pretty blinding to oncoming traffic that strict beam cutoff at night didn’t allow me to see the small street signs at night used in my area especially if I was in the more rural parts of my territory. Even with the high beams the cutoff was just below the sign, Not to mention I believe my HID’s still threw light a greater distance when it came to unlit reflective hwy signs. almost 5yrs later my current truck has LED headlights while the street sign thing isn’t a problem with my truck (height may have a lot to do with it) I still say the HID system in my other car and previous truck both threw more light down the road to illuminate those hwy road signs. Also the glass composite headlights on my car with Halogen headlights with never fade and get cloudy like all these modern ones which is probably a whole other subject for a different video 😂👍
Some of the modern migraine-inducing offerings need to be outlawed. They blind other drivers. It bewilders me to think that this obvious safety risk would escape government safety regulators.
Agreed. And misadjusted headlights and misused high-beams need to be stopped. There was a time where one got a verbal/written warning from a cop by having either of those.
Most of those are idiots that install aftermarket bulbs, the others are huge trucks that the bulbs should be placed closer to the bumper but for some reason they are not and are at the exact levels a standard sedans rear view mirror.
They should have to lower the placement of those for sure.
Well it didn't it's just that these new regulations pretend to care unlike the older days
And the cataract type plastic lensing that clouds over time.
WOW, Jon, you really raised the bar in video production with this one. We were very well entertained with both the substance and with the presentation the video offered. The depth of your research cannot be doubted by all the many sources in your credits. An expertly done video and in depth study of an interesting subject. Yes. We agree that our auto industry has been stifled for years if not decades by over regulation. We hope that the Supreme Court's striking down of the Chevron doctrine will free American inventiveness and innovation so that our industries can one day be competitive in the world once again. Looking forward to more fine videos like this in the future. Well done, Jon.
Appreciate the kind words!
LED lights have many advantages over Halgeon lights - brighter, last longer and don't burn hot as Halgeon does. The only problem is that they can be too bright and blind you
And too cold to melt snow and ice off of. At least up here in the frozen tundra of hell.
I have serious questions about actual OEM LED modules outlasting halogen lights. If the thermal management is (deliberately?) not good, they will burn out quickly.
@ I don’t own anything new enough to have OEM LEDs but, I don’t find LEDs any more long lasting than halogen. The actual LED itself may very well last forever but the electrical circuit inside always falls. Water eventually ingresses in and it’s game over. I own a semi truck and deal with LED lights failing constantly. Even very expensive ones. Maybe if the companies start actually making the case of the light 100% dust/waterproof, they’d last longer. LEDs also tend to draw more corrosion to the wiring. Idk why this is but it has to do with the lesser amp draw. I switched from halogen headlights to LEDs and I know have to replace the headlight harness yearly because the copper wires just rot away and turn to dust. Next time I’ll just go back to halogens.
Headlights a generation ago:
2-light round, 4-light round, 2-light rectangular, 4-light rectangular. Could break in low-speed impacts. Available everywhere for under $10.
Now:
Headlight assembly unique to every car. Can break in low-speed impacts. Cost $500-$2500. But they are aerodynamic and give you a .0000372% increase in gas mileage.
Mandatory sealed beams have always been retarded.
True Adaptive headlights were approved years ago, but remain illegal in the USA. The NHTSA isn’t even willing to even talk about a projected approval date as of 11/24.
My wofe has a Porsche cayenne and it has the best headlights i have ever used. Zeon bulbs, turning lights, auto level, brights that light up the night while leaving the zeon bulbs on.
They are amazing and a joy to drive at night.
Please forgive me for OFF TOPIC. I went to a Dodge Dealership. New, SMALL crossover hybrid was $44k. You can buy a lot of gas for $1000. FCA is in serious trouble. New Prius (not crossover) is about $14k cheaper.
Now automakers used plastic lens and the problem with that is they can get cloudy/yellowish over time
Yes and it takes quite a bit of both repair and maintenance know how to keep them usable. My first car that took a replaceable insert bulb was a 1988 Olds 98. It had a glass housing. Although it could be damaged by rocks off the road, it never got yellow or hazed. Very preferable. And although the reputation of American cars is they weren't quiet up to par on quality, efficiency and handling, this one in fact got 30 miles a gallon in a large comfortable vehicle and very reliable when sold with 300,000 miles on it- and had good headlights! The respected 3.8 V6. I would do it again.
I was in a small bender at a Bump Shop for repairs. They were not too busy. We talked shop. Insurance cost of average paint job, $15k. We (I) were talking about high prices. Adjuster mentioned there was a high end, Euro-luxury headlight assembly that cost $10k. Yowsir !!!
We need to start clamping liability for insurance purposes so that manufacturers are forced to decrease the costs of of this junk.
John you could do a video on fender mounted turn signals and it would be awesome thank you so much for your videos
Hmmm, that's an interesting idea!
@@AllCarswithJonAbsolutely!
Had them on my 1968 Dodge Dart. Neat feature!
If you have problems with oncoming headlights you may have:
1) dirty windshield( the inside)
2) poorly- corrected vision
And the biggest reason...
3) cataracts.
Yes, I'm an eye doctor. Go get your eyes looked at.
With all that "Cut" going on I thought I was on the butcher shop channel! Love your channel Jon, please keep up the great videos. Maybe more bloopers? That put a smile on my face.
Thanks 👍
The US Goverment regulations had restricted adaptive headlights that are allowed in other countries such as Canada
Thank for the video information, The first American cars that used rectangular headlights was in 1975 model year by GM. They were on: Oldsmobile Ninety Eight and Oldsmobile Toronado, and Buick Riviera, Electra, Cadillac Deville, Seville, Fleetwood and Eldorado and Pontiac Bonneville and Grand Ville. They then spread to other GM cars in 1976. That is correct and true about Lincoln Mark VII, GM then stared the model the move to flush headlamps in 1986. Great video.
They were also on the '75 Chevy Monza (and hastily badge-engineered Buick Skyhawk and Olds Starfire) which were the first cars "born" with them, the Seville not appearing at new-model intro time and the others you list being facelifts.
@@nlpnt Thank you for your post. I forgot about the Chevrolet Monza, Pontiac Sunbird and Oldsmobile Starfire and Buick Skyhawk. You forgot about Pontiac Sunbird. I do recall the 1975 being facelifted upscale models models that got the headlights first. The other GM cars got them in 1976.
😂The ending.👍 I prefer innovation over regulation although it’s interesting to think that there was a standard for headlights. Makes replacing one so easy.
The US Government is so slow to get things done or update laws
Great follow up vid, i try to find history Australian ADR rules on headlights but found statement saying you must enough light to sèe 100m away. I remember Pa adding more lights to his farm machinery, 80's young farmers were adding spotlights at front on their bullbars n on the roof/roll bar but you couldn't have odd number of lights like 1 or 3 or 5. Spotlights can be used on the road but must be turn off when encountered oncoming traffic or cover up/folded down when not in use but laws have relax or not enforce. Ford AU falcon in 98 had best headlights ever they were first Ford triangle headlights.
First time I went to France was in 1979 and the whole yellow headlight thing was like... Huh? How? But I really liked them, in fact in the '80s I had them on my Volkswagen here in the states. Cops loved that...
not sure why but the design of headlights and taillights has always been an interest for me. whatever it be for either be for aerodynamic reasons or how it looks. not sure why that is.
You are not alone with that... ;-)
Great report. Modern lighting is so much better. One big current misstep is the plastic covers that oxidize and cloud over; especially in sunny climates. This ruins advantages of modern bright lighting. It’s a safety and aesthetic issue.
I thought it was just cheesy of U.S. regulations that it was illegal to cover headlights with Plexiglas. Cars like the 280Z looked so much cooler & streamlined (Europe, late 80s).
Very nice! Interesting stuff.
Thanks for watching!
I miss sealed beams. With today's U.S.-spec cars, the intensities and aiming is so radically different from car to car that your eyes are constantly re-adjusting and most of what you see is glare. Allowing the intensity to double, then double again, without requiring smart aiming or masking to only direct the light at things that need to be seen was a huge mistake. Any light that is directed at other driver's eyes is not helping you see any better, it's just blinding those coming at you. To make matters worse, with some vehicles having 4 lights even for low beams and others with 2 low-beam lights that are as bright as other's high beams, it's impossible to tell if some cars are using their low or high beams, so some drivers just use their high beams non-stop, while others have fog lights that might as well be high beams. All this misdirected light is more blinding than illuminating, and some experts believe the excess blue component in some LED lights is causing early retina damage in some.
These new lights are ridiculous, many oncoming cars headlights are blinding. At first I thought it was just me growing older and my eyes getting more sensitive.
I can´t help but wonder how US car design would have evolved if not hindered by the sealed beam mandate. Think for example of the -68 Dodge Charger with a head light style like the NSU RO80, German of the same period.......🤮
The change of them nail is better the original
I don't mind sealed beams, unlike all this plastic crap made now that fades and yellows. All lights now are to bright and way to expensive.
Didn't this get posted yesterday?
No. It's been uploaded for several days but not public.
@AllCarswithJon maybe it glitched cause I watched it yesterday
WHERE'S THE BEEF
12:09. This shows the wrong car (the '77 - '86 model).
12:50 The 1st LED DRL was seen on the Audi A8 (only W12) from 2003.
15:20 Absolutely. Also remember the issue with rear turn signals being red and combined with the brake-light...
15:47 Not just that. For decades this cut-off-line had to be asymmetrical with a ramp up on the right side (mirrored for Great Britain).
But this appearantly isn't mandatory anymore.
I have (had) 3 BMW motorcycles with simple straight cut-off-lines. (Very dislike it because of shorter range.)
Very interesting stuff although!
Great content, as always! A bit off-topic, but I wanted to ask: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). How can I transfer them to Binance?
Chrysler owns Dodge and Eagle not GM
When did he say that they did?