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  • Thanks to Jacques for the suggestion! The International Mathematical Olympiad (IMO) began in 1959 with only 7 countries. It has expanded to over 100 countries. This is problem 2 from the 1959 IMO.
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  • @arjunraman7276
    @arjunraman7276 10 місяців тому +94

    not as hard as what i would expect for an IMO problem, but still challenging!

    • @AntonioLasoGonzalez
      @AntonioLasoGonzalez 10 місяців тому +14

      The early IMOs were not that hard at all.

    • @hrayz
      @hrayz 10 місяців тому +2

      Chewy, more than complicated.

    • @YoungPhysicistsClub1729
      @YoungPhysicistsClub1729 10 місяців тому

      that's true for any exam during that time@@AntonioLasoGonzalez

    • @NXT_LVL_DVL
      @NXT_LVL_DVL 10 місяців тому

      what did you expect from 1959 ? Permutations and combinations ?

  • @alinat.8853
    @alinat.8853 10 місяців тому +12

    I think it's easier to solve if you notice that the expressions under the big square root signs are full squares divided by 2: x+sqrt(2x-1) = (sqrt(2x-1) + 1)^2/2. Then we have (sqrt(2x-1) +1) + |(sqrt(2x-1) -1)| = A*sqrt(2) which comes to either 2x - 1 = A^2/2 or 2 = A*sqrt(2) depending on where your x is.

  • @madelineveggie3931
    @madelineveggie3931 10 місяців тому +27

    I was part of the first Math Olympia USA team in 1973-74. We had a summer training "camp" at Rutgers University in New Brunswick NJ lead by a great mathematics professor, and we used the earlier IMO problems and other fun problems for practice, and did daily classes in math theory, number theory, trigonometry, etc. One final team went to Hungary, if I remember correctly, and we had part of the playoffs in DC.

  • @ucanhvungoc7133
    @ucanhvungoc7133 10 місяців тому +8

    This... is one way to solve the problem, but in Vietnam it would be called "butchering" since there is a much better way to solve:
    Let t = sqrt(2x-1), we would have x = (t^2 + 1)/2.
    The equation becomes: sqrt((t^2 + 2t + 1)/2) + sqrt(t^2 - 2t + 1)/2) = A. From here it's a cakewalk.

    • @mahwishfatma4633
      @mahwishfatma4633 4 місяці тому

      i did it exactly like this and solved it under 2 min

  • @joydeepdas4735
    @joydeepdas4735 10 місяців тому +4

    It becomes much easier if you substitute the roots as a and b then you get a+b =A and a^2+b^2=2x

  • @FlatEarthMath
    @FlatEarthMath 10 місяців тому +3

    Just futzing around, I was able to figure x = 1/2 or 1 results in A=√2. I failed to figure out that it was endpoints of a range, or of the other solutions. Presh's solution is excellent. :-)

  • @omaraldebs8206
    @omaraldebs8206 10 місяців тому +8

    I've solved this problem many times and it stills hard😅
    Thanks❤

  • @AmitKumar-eo5sg
    @AmitKumar-eo5sg 10 місяців тому +4

    This problem was published in an Indian mathematical magazine named 'mathematica' approx 18 or 19 years ago.

  • @TDSONLINEMATHS
    @TDSONLINEMATHS 10 місяців тому +13

    Mathematics as a subject serves as a basics to all subjects which is generally accepted at all levels of educational ladder & it plays a unique role in the development of each individual. My passion!!
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  • @johnklinger2868
    @johnklinger2868 10 місяців тому +1

    Nice problem with an impressive amount of mathematical magic that happens when you square the expression. A minor flaw in the graph shown near the end is that the curved part doesn't approach a vertical slope near x=1.

  • @MarieAnne.
    @MarieAnne. 10 місяців тому +2

    I did the problem in the same way up until this point:
    A² = 2x + 2|x−1|
    Then I considered the different cases:
    1/2 ≤ x < 1 → A² = 2x + 2(1−x) = 2 → A = √2
    x = 1 → A² = 2 + 2|1−1| = 2 = √2
    x > 1 → A² = 2x + 2(x−1) = 4x−2 → x = (A²+2)/4 > 1 → A > √2
    Then I can find solutions without graphing (which seems rather time consuming for a math contest)
    A = √2 → 1/2 ≤ x ≤ 1
    A = 1 → No solutions (since minimum value of A is √2)
    A = 2 → x = (A²+2)/4 = (4+2)/4 = 3/2

    • @GreggRomaine
      @GreggRomaine 2 місяці тому

      Very nice! Great formatting here, too! Although, it looks like you're missing "→ A = √2" for your case when x=1.

  • @abhishekgupta2110
    @abhishekgupta2110 10 місяців тому

    Great one

  • @mr.d8747
    @mr.d8747 10 місяців тому +1

    *When I clicked on the video, i genuenly taught it was going to be some ancient Math problem.*

  • @sanchitagrawal4486
    @sanchitagrawal4486 10 місяців тому +2

    You can make it easier if you assume √(2x-1) as y and x as (y^2+1)/2

  • @the-boy-who-lived
    @the-boy-who-lived 10 місяців тому +6

    Only if modern Olympiad papers had this much easy questions. 😭
    They sometimes have very hard questions which takes me hours to solve even after returning home.

  • @jacobgoldman5780
    @jacobgoldman5780 10 місяців тому +3

    Interesting that this complex looking function is constant from [0.5,1.0].

  • @TDSONLINEMATHS
    @TDSONLINEMATHS 10 місяців тому +1

    Great

  • @troys1426
    @troys1426 10 місяців тому +1

    I like how this implies that after quite some time, the problems we find hard now are going to be very classical problems that even slightly competitive middle schoolers find elementary.

  • @topmath-ey1dq
    @topmath-ey1dq 10 місяців тому +2

    Saw this problem from PK Math not too long ago

  • @SG49478
    @SG49478 10 місяців тому +4

    Yeah it is a beautiful problem, but compared to the IMO problems today relatively easy. I could solve that problem by myself which honestly is rarely the case for more recent IMO problems.

  • @martinfenner3222
    @martinfenner3222 10 місяців тому

    Ouch. I've got the case A=1 completely wrong. Only a Calculator convinced me that A(3/4) = Sqrt(2). Hopefully i've learned something from this. Thank you

  • @AzureKyle
    @AzureKyle 2 місяці тому

    I was curious, so I decided to plug it into a graphing calculator. According to the graph, it never hits y=1, it only hits y=2 when x=1.5, and it hits y=sqrt(2) when x is less than or equal to 1.

  • @charlesdbruce
    @charlesdbruce 10 місяців тому +18

    Any reason you don't list the variable first in your inequalities? E.g., x>1 compared to 11) is typically read as, "X is greater than one." While this (1

    • @corvididaecorax2991
      @corvididaecorax2991 10 місяців тому +7

      It was pretty common, essentially universal, practice in my math classes to arrange inequalities that are being used to indicate limits on variables in the format "a < x < b" even if one side of the set was missing. That way the lowest value is always to the left and the highest is always to the right. It was never outright stated as a rule or convention or anything like that, but was common enough to seem like one.

    • @forcelifeforce
      @forcelifeforce 10 місяців тому

      No, (x > 1) is written as "x is greater than one." While (1 < x) is written as "One is less than x." Write the same variable in the
      appropriate lower case, or upper case, as needed.

    • @user-un9kd7my5c
      @user-un9kd7my5c 10 місяців тому

      У меня мозг отказывается функционировать, когда я смотрю на эти записи в обратном порядке

  • @MathsMadeSimple101
    @MathsMadeSimple101 10 місяців тому +1

    Presh the type of guy to ask for receipts when shopping, just to tell the cashier what the total cost is going to be, before the receipt prints.

  • @michaelblankenau6598
    @michaelblankenau6598 10 місяців тому

    I search the IMO problem list in the forlorn hope that I will even understand what just one problem is asking . So far , no luck .

  • @XinLi
    @XinLi 9 місяців тому

    Just square both sides. Then a lot of things cancel out and you can go from there.

  • @ruthlesace
    @ruthlesace 10 місяців тому

    Where did you get the second set of squares from? When hi squatted the equations in the beginning it should have just canceled out the square rooting that was happening. What did i miss or forget?

  • @Savoia_S.21_00
    @Savoia_S.21_00 10 місяців тому +1

    I hate how Presh doesn't put the full question in the preview frame.

  • @samirbehera8708
    @samirbehera8708 10 місяців тому

    When we taking sqaure on both side... We can solve it easily.. But if anyone has any suggestions.. Please give me.
    We will get x+√2x-1+x-√2x-1+2√x^2-2x+1=A

  • @jaguar5504
    @jaguar5504 10 місяців тому +1

    At around 5:20 when you make the cases why didn't you choose the first condition to be x>=1 instead of x>1

  • @keithwood6459
    @keithwood6459 Місяць тому

    Brutal

  • @noahtaul
    @noahtaul 10 місяців тому +2

    This is too much work. You can just write sqrt(x+-sqrt(2x-1)) as |sqrt(x-1/2) +- sqrt(1/2)| (you can do this by the same method as literally the previous video, writing sqrt(3-2sqrt(2)) as sqrt(2)-1). So the sum is actually max(sqrt(4x-2), sqrt(2)). So the interval [1/2,1] obviously goes to sqrt(2), nothing goes to 1, and only 3/2 goes to 2.

  • @SpinWave
    @SpinWave 10 місяців тому

    making a squared binomial equal to an absolute value.

  • @SHARWAR943
    @SHARWAR943 10 місяців тому +1

    Which grade can answer this question?easily… cause I am in 9th grade and I can hardly answer it

  • @RohitKulan
    @RohitKulan 10 місяців тому

    The REAL question 2

  • @Jakub24
    @Jakub24 10 місяців тому +2

    How are you counting the continents? It should be six: Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia and both Americas. If you join some together - which ones? Americas? Europe and Asia into Eurasia? And if so - why only one joint, and not both? I don't really get your nomenclature :/

    • @mangeurdecowan
      @mangeurdecowan 10 місяців тому

      I came here to ask this question. Either he has a math channel but can't count, or he's trying to say that Eurasia is only one continent. Please tell me that this isn't going to be another Pythagorean Theorem thing.

    • @forcelifeforce
      @forcelifeforce 10 місяців тому

      There are seven continents: Asia, Africa, North America, South America, Antarctica, Europe, and Australia.

    • @frcepeda
      @frcepeda 5 місяців тому

      the delineation of continents isn't standardized worldwide-it depends on who's counting (quick example: how many olympic rings?)

  • @neuralwarp
    @neuralwarp 10 місяців тому

    The biggest difficulty is the arbitrarily constrained problem. "A fool can ask more questions than a wise man can answer."

  • @videolome
    @videolome 10 місяців тому +2

    Your logic in minute 3 is wrong unless you explain that all the steps are reversible.

  • @user-vw9qj9md5i
    @user-vw9qj9md5i 3 місяці тому

    finally i got my first presh question correct 😭

  • @jaredmaloney
    @jaredmaloney 9 місяців тому

    This looks wrong to me. Substitute 3/2 into the original expression and you get sqrt(2) not 2. Similarly you can put say 13 into the original expression and you also get sqrt(2). I think it should be no solution for A=1 or 2 and x>=1/2 for A=sqrt(2).

  • @yoav613
    @yoav613 10 місяців тому

    Nice and easy

  • @MathFromAlphaToOmega
    @MathFromAlphaToOmega 10 місяців тому

    Problem 1 is even more ridiculous: You have to prove that gcd(21n+4,14n+3)=1.

    • @wafemand
      @wafemand 10 місяців тому +1

      Do I need to prove that the Euqlid algorithm works to get a full score? :)

    • @MathFromAlphaToOmega
      @MathFromAlphaToOmega 10 місяців тому

      @@wafemand Yes, but first you need to prove that the integers are closed under addition and multiplication.

    • @nickreid6344
      @nickreid6344 10 місяців тому +1

      This problem is weirdly simple. Use the fact that if two numbers share a common factor, so must their difference. (21n+4)-(14n+3)=7n+1. Apply again (14n+3)-(7n+1)=7n+2. And one last time (7n+2)-(7n+1)=1 Therefore the largest and only common factor of the original expressions is 1

  • @terrypold
    @terrypold 3 місяці тому

    Six continents.

  • @anggawijayanasdy6609
    @anggawijayanasdy6609 10 місяців тому

    I use desmos to solve this problem 😂😂

  • @drsir7360
    @drsir7360 10 місяців тому

    This solution is wrong.
    For A=sqrt(2) x=1
    For A=1 , x=3/4
    For A=2, x=3/2
    This is done by completion of square of x+sqrt(2*x-1) etc.
    Please check

    • @anonymouskumar8576
      @anonymouskumar8576 8 місяців тому +1

      Mininmum value of A is sqrt(2), it cant be 3/4

  • @illinois_b
    @illinois_b 10 місяців тому +3

    The “International” Mathematics Olympiad in 1959?
    If you consider the former Soviet Union and six of its satellites as “international” then I guess you’re right.

    • @hrayz
      @hrayz 10 місяців тому +4

      Math (and science, chess, etc.) should be politics free.

    • @illinois_b
      @illinois_b 10 місяців тому +1

      @@hrayzI agree, which is why I shared this comment, something I rarely do.

    • @MathFromAlphaToOmega
      @MathFromAlphaToOmega 10 місяців тому +5

      In what way is it not international? It involved multiple nations.

    • @illinois_b
      @illinois_b 10 місяців тому +1

      In 1959 none of these so-called “countries” were free and autonomous, independent of Soviet domination.

    • @z000ey
      @z000ey 10 місяців тому

      @@illinois_b and USSR was second last, while Romania (the one Soviet puppet that was always a problematic ally both politically and ethnically the most different of all others) overwhelmingly won. Do you call that MO rigged?

  • @MrGeorge1896
    @MrGeorge1896 10 місяців тому

    I almost solved the problem but lost a factor of 2 because of my dreaded scrawniness 😝

  • @random-uploaders
    @random-uploaders 10 місяців тому +4

    I don't know what to say except in early. And yes nobody cares

  • @TDSONLINEMATHS
    @TDSONLINEMATHS 10 місяців тому +1

    Great