For an interview with practically zero jokes or humour, that was one of the best interviews I've ever watched here on TDS. Does no harm at all for us to be presented with something like this every now and again here, especially when most viewers of TDS would share a similar ideology or outlook. No need to apologise for your lack of jokes Mr. Garland - you were compelling viewing as you were.
I think you can even see Michael Kosta adjusting to being more serious as the interview goes on. At the start, he seems too eager to revert back to making jokes but lets it go eventually. You can tell he is still learning how to find the balance and the right tone, especially compared to Jon Stewart (not meant as criticism). Very interesting interview in any case.
"Most people are not extremists, most people just are not. They don't really have a voice. Extremists have occupied noise." This is powerful stuff. I'd like to hear the rest of this thought.
What I would add to that is that the noise from extremist eventually becomes normalized. Allowing them to have a microphone set to max volume at all times is exhausting and damaging.
Its because normal people dont organize into millitias and buy guns. The Fanatics do, they roll into town and conscript the men who can fight at the barrel of the gun.
There's a quote by George Bernard Shaw, the Irish playwright and activist who saw alot of societal upheaval, that goes: "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." That's what Garland is referring to, though the original quote was more about innovation in a way. Though Civil war is innovation in a way also. All the media is focused on the unrreasnable man, and they are the ones quoted and put on TV. In a Russian Disinformation Study" or the "Russian Fake News Study," done by researchers at the Psychological Department of Moscow State University and published in the journal "Psychological Science, they found that you can change people's view of reality within a couple of days if you bombarded them with enough disinformation. This is one of the main issues in the US. The news is owned by just a few corporations and they focus on the extremes and polarize people, which is what creates the environment for Civil War.
Get with it in the editing, guys. You cut off the outro and missed the handshake. May seem small, but capture the whole clip and give the guest their due
Politics is a tool to serve the people NOT AN IDENTITY!! I'm English and it breaks my heart to watch this happen to America. I hope this film wakes people up to that fact
i can’t even write comments that youtube won’t delete. fake country. you cannot write ANYTHING about how to take power from US oligarchs. it will be brutal and it will not be televised.
Politics is supposed to be about policies. The Americans have made it into a personality contest, making demigods out of their politicians, and while they have become cultists their demigods don't actually care about policies. It's scary.
Reading "The Beach" 20 years ago I remember thinking it was such a deep and original take on the scars of war. The feature film did not even touch the subject. I am glad Alex Garland decided to make his own films.
I was thinking the exact same thing. I was blown away by The Beach when I read it-probably when you did. Watching the film was a "Did we read the same book???" experience.
He’s got an impressive track record: The Beach, screenplay for 28 days and 28 weeks later, Sunshine, and Dredd. Wrote and directed Ex Machina, Annihilation, Devs, and Men.
Kostas seemed intimidated in this interview, he might have been unsettled by the fact that Garland didn't seem to like his attempts at humor, clearly Garland wanted to have a serious conversation, regardless of the venue.
Garland will admit he struggles with the public facing side of things. He always does. He comes across as aloof and dismissive (partly because he is) but also because he just hates this kind of thing. I have no doubt his publisher or production company urged him to appear on something like this, to do the promotional rounds in order to generate attention for the movie... he understands the value of this stuff, I think he was burned by his experiences on DRED and wants to do the best he can to sell the movie, but he will always be horribly uncomfortable in these situations - it's just who he is.
I felt Kostas read Garland early on, pivoting well to abandon his usual quippy sarcasm and instead going for the straight forward Q & A. Kostas also revealed he actually saw the film and differentiated the film narrative and the trailer clips.
As someone who works for the US Government, I'm so tired of political parties demeaning the people who work within the govt. Military, forestry, regulators, public health, housing, disaster recovery, law enforcement, education… we're all here because we want to. We are not some villain conspiring against the employer and country we love. Time to get back to country over party, and learn to have respectful agree and disagreements.
Couldn't agree more. So much respect is given to the armed forces for "serving their country" without considering the other public servants that serve the country in just as meaningful (if not moreso) ways. But few seem interested in paying respect to our public servants.
My great great great grandfather was a sawbones for the Union in the American Civil War (and hopefully the only). I read his journals, well what I could make out, penmanship was different then. Few Americans know the bloodshed and pain, they don't understand the failures of reconstruction and how that divide never fully healed, and most people don't seem to recall that in our Civil War there were SIX TIMES as many casualties suffered by the US during WWII. I don't think most people understand how absolutely deadly and destructive a civil war is, its fantasized because war has for America over the past century, never touched our soil. It happened 'over there', out of mind. But theres nothing that prevents Chicago or Atlanta or anywhere else from looking exactly like Gaza.
I appreciate your history lesson and heart perspective. Americans of this generation could be the "great generation" if they learn this lesson well. Thank you.
Hate to say it but I think it should have been Jon in the interview. This country needs this movie and this interview in particular needs to be taken seriously.
America has owned slaves for longer than they have not owned slaves. How long do you think it takes for us as a country and it s institutions to move on from that?
It seems disingenuous for the media to be saying they despise the idea of a civil war when they elevate people calling for it (Coulter, MTG, Trump, etc.).
Meh, but is the media elevating these people because the media actually wants to test the waters for civil war or is it just bottom line, clicks and views? We the people are the ones obsessed with sensationalism and hanging on the crazies every word. If we stopped giving them as much attention, the media would follow.
An admirable man, humble, well spoken. I love Costa but he wasn’t the right choice to interview the guy, he kept interrupting, saying “right” etc. which was distracting. Will look for other interviews with Garland. Motivated now to see the movie.
Journalists ARE extremely important to our way of life. But we absolutely have to find a way to cease the marketing inherent in most mainstream news…marketing is a term I use here because too many outlets are giving just enough context to stir anxiety and anger BECAUSE angry, anxious people stay tuned and that sells advertising. We need to get back to “the Fairness Doctrine” and Walter Cronkite style reporting without hyperbole and/or deletion of context that would reduce anxiety. The WHOLE story is important. I recommend people seek out news sources that are rigorous in fact checking and provide as much context as possible. One excellent source of such news is UA-camr “Beau of the Fifth Column”. Yes, there is a decided left slant but also enough context to reduce anxiety.
Beau only “leans left” only because DJT didn’t just push it, he drop kicked Overton’s Window so far to the right, anything that promotes any form of social equity feels “leftist” to many out there. Even if he is an avowed Progressive, there’s nothing wrong with caring about issues if they don’t actually affect him in his daily life. When someone lives their life with a true sense integrity, intellectual dishonesty from people like DJT and all those who still support him become quite off putting. If you like Beau, and I do too, check out Tennessee Brando too, except he doesn’t sugarcoat his material as well as Beau does. Side note: If you’re not familiar with it yet, Google: #Project2025 when you have the chance.
@@DiscoDashco Project 2025 is as terrifying as it is disgusting. I am a military retiree, also did 3 yrs as DOD civilian as I transitioned to my current career. Effectively making EVERY Federal Employee swear allegiance to a man rather than the Constitution is about as dystopian as I can imagine. I will look for Tennessee Brando
It's true, extremists are the loudest ones in the room, which is at least not as scary as the extremists you don't see or hear. Those are the ones we really have to uncover.
Garland: "Extremists have occupied noise, and I think the key thing is..." *is interrupted by audience applause/noise* Kosta: "Thank you for coming to chat with us!" I'm sure this was more just unfortunate timing for a commercial break, but Garland not being able to fully finish his thought and possibly present a solution (?) was so ironic.
We really need Jon Stewart to cover more nights. This interview should have been conducted by Jon. Not everyone can be a host. Even Costa seemed uncomfortable.
I think the idea that the press isn't responsible for leading us here with our politicians is just ignoring one of the issues we need to fix in our society.
"Only psychopaths want disintegration." Precisely. Unfortunately, psychopaths have been in power for a very long time. As far as journalism, of all the debilitating outcomes of digital technologies, the loss or destabilizing of small hometown newspapers has had a profoundly poor effect on community and social discourse. Honestly, most Americans don't care enough about most things to ever engage in large-scale civil war. It is the fanatic fringe who wants to fight. Everybody else just wants to create a better world. A sidenote... Garland's 2022 movie "Men" was absolutely eye-opening. Beautiful. Disturbing. Wonderful.
Not even as a joke does it feel acceptable for Kosta to keep insisting that Garland takes pleasure in depicting the country tearing itself apart. The man is clearly distressed and made the movie as a means of begging people to take this time of us teetering on the cliff of a civil war seriously. Yes, Kosta, TDS is a comedy show, but you've got to know when going for the joke is the wrong instinct.
Agreed, we are way too close to the 11th hour for this muted dialogue and these stale tongue-in-cheek jokes. The entire world is watching us right now, and all of our allies are terrified at the increasingly plausible likelihood of our empire falling on its own sword
I saw the preview in theaters, and the one thing I was like wow that would never happen was California and Texas were an alliance and I was like OK that’s definitely nothing that would ever happen ever. Well, at least the two governments the citizens probably would align with each other.
I think that was part of the point. Texas and California are seen as standard bearers for each side of our current division. The Libertarian Utopia of Texas and the People's Republic of California. To have just one be the rebel would have the point of the movie be completely drowned out. The discussion would be "see, they want to destroy us." But this way, people can't say that conclusively. They have to sit in the uncertainty of who the bad guy is.
Love that he spoke out for journalists, but there is a real issue with the 24-hr news cycle industrial complex that we've found ourselves in. But we need to distinguish that from journalists.
Yeah it's also the fact that news agencies have consolidated into increasingly fewer hands over the past 50 years. The hands under which they have consolidated belong to the mega rich, who have interests closely aligned with high ranking members of government. That defeats the entire purpose of the "Fourth Estate"...
Yeah but so-called journalists that work for corporate media outlets are partisan hacks. Real journalists are mostly Independent but you almost never hear about them in the mainstream media, which is why people turn to social media for actual news.
We in the United States are very entitled and have no clue what would happen if we had a civil war. No one would win, our way of life would be completely destroyed. My wife lived through a civil war and her birth country has never recovered, even 30 years later.
It is absolutely true that people feel we are grower closer and closer to one. As a country though, regular Americans aren’t going to like the ugliness of war. It is especially bad when it is your own countrymen.
How exactly do these Banana Republican trumpsters think one would actually play out though? I don't think they've thought it through. Door to door "huntin' the libs"????
@@markright6759 i feel the same. the extremists have been pedaling the narrative for a while. we're talking about war only because they're talking about war. there's a slight difference.... some are using the theme for all sorts of clout, gifting, you name it... fear sells. but we should also keep in mind that while there were/are training camps and organizations preparing for a war (the 3%ers, oath keepers, proud boys, boogaloo boys, to name a few) when their leaders got arrested after the J6, there was no fighting, no financial support, no push back, no nothing... in fact some flipped and got into deals w/ the DAs, so that's that.. amateur hour as they say, to me they look more like cosplaying than being 'militants'.
If your not at least a little unnerved by "what kind of American?" then either you haven't been paying attention, or you're the one asking that question. One of the better interviews I've seen in quite a while. IDGAF about politicians or celebrity BS.
Nothing wrong with politicians. Politicians are a reflection of the people whom they represent. Like this guy is tired of Journalists getting a bad reputation, I'm kind of tired of the "politicians bad" trope. No, only certain ones are.
@@Lennybird91 that’s not true at all. We don’t have a choice, just the illusion of choice. The big donors and party insiders are the ones that truly decide and then we lose rights one way or the other regardless of which way you vote. Both sides trying to control the other, creating laws that make us less free with every swing of the pendulum.
Eldridge Cleaver summed up why America matters to the rest of the world, and that was in 1968, when the Vietnam War was at its peak: "It is not an overstatement to say that the destiny of the entire human race depends on what is going on in America today. This is a staggering reality to the rest of the world; they must feel like passengers in a supersonic jet liner who are forced to watch helplessly while a passel of drunks, hypes, freaks, and madmen fight for the controls and the pilot’s seat."
The talk about the press was on point. I don’t think we should demonize them either. Yes, sometimes they get it wrong. But, if a person is open to ideas, you can double check by looking at both sides. Doing research about a topic improves press literacy.
@@publicuser2534 The press is nothing more than the extension of our government at this point. They all shill for those in power, it can be big pharma, Biden, Trump it doesn't matter, all of it is controlled to keep us divided and not pulling them down.
Let's create a country that has healthcare and journalism for all. At moment the journalism, education and healthcare seem to be lacking for everyone but the rich. Everything in the USA in owned by a few rich billionaires. Let's stand up to the American Oligarchy.
I believe that due to the eviseration of public education over the last 60 years in the US, half the population will actively vote against their own interests, to support any number of fascist demagogues, fundamentalist theocrats and charlatans.
I wish you luck, but some of us have to pay bills till we die because poverty is a misdemeanor and homelessness is a felony in this Skinner Box called Murrica...
@@roberttalada5196Ironically, we both agree that no one can agree on anything anymore. Consensus reality is dead. 2+2 does, in fact, equal 5 to so many people. And they will never, ever be convinced that anything else is true.
@@Blackhoodie85 - There is only one set of actual facts. The source of the facts is irrelevant. Agreement about the source of the facts is irrelevant. Whether one agrees with the facts, or not, does not alter the facts.
I like him and I don't like that I read something about him wanting to be done making films. It would be a loss for lovers of thought provoking speculative fiction everywhere.
But being so provocative with speculative fiction, in order for us to wake up to what could happen, must be extremely depressing and terrifying to always be with the deep intensity of horrific possibilities.
Straight up....jokes are great, and have their place...even, and if not especially in some interviews, but the no jokes straightforward nature of this one was legendary.
@@dennislp3 For sure. I've seen too many interviews where the jokes distract from what the guests are saying. It was great that Michael could sense the tone and let him talk.
I didn't think I could watch this movie, until I heard this interview. It's clear from listening to Garland, that it's a thoughtful film, not a sensationalized action adventure movie.
Yeah, one certainly wouldn't ever want to watch something that leaves them thinking about what they just watched. Films should be things that we immediately flush out of our brains as soon as the credits roll.
Yes, and very deeply intense and humble, only mentioning in passing that he started the film before January 6. Whereas some others would boast about its propheticness.
if i can ask anything of people reading these, go see this movie. I got lucky with a pre screening and I haven't been more pushed by a film in a really long time. its brutal and entirely possible.
@@nadominhocaThat individual is heated in their words, yes, but if you listen to the things DJT says, it’s not to be taken lightly. Google: #Project2025 for an idea of what lies at stake here, and why someone like this sounds hyperbolic the way they do. When DJT says he’d “only be dictator for one day” you can believe him in two ways; that he would become one, but not just for a day. Never in recorded history has anyone who has usurped power in government to establish a dictatorship has ever given up their power eventually, gradually, willingly. When faced with the conundrum of clarifying what he meant by that, he doubled down on it too.
Because they're at a comedy show and biased towards laughing at anything, however insignificant. It's a shame that modern journalism is in the state that it's in and that we now have to rely on comedy shows to get any kind of decent reporting.
Dude wrote a script for a Halo movie that never came to be in the mid 2000’s. It surfaced on the internet a few years ago. Might be the best video game adaptation script I’ve ever read. I was a fan after that. So I’m sure it’ll be great.
This dude is spot on about people knowing fascist or far right are negative terms but at the same time they don't identify themselves as such despite holding those beliefs.
That's a fate that the US shares with the former East Germany... Both were anti-fascist by definition, while we in West Germany had to actually learn about what fascism looks and sounds like BEFORE people are all wearing uniforms and hunt opposition in the streets!
@@firefly9838try to stay away from “what-about-ism” and you’ll find a far more productive conversation can be had In truth, countries across the world that have tried to/are purported to have realised “communism” on a large scale have almost invariably fallen into right-wing dictatorships. The human nature element of power and politics means that “far-left” ideologies, such as communism, almost can’t exist in reality. Look at what happened to famous examples of communism like Cuba and Russia. Those aren’t communist states
truth is oxycontin is why we’re here. ask why they sold oxycontin to what they privately called “hillbillies and pillbillies,” laughing while they died. that’s extremism. that’s the real crime. 6 million dead in the real, living memory holocaust.
truth is 💊 are why we’re here. the ones released in 1996 that started the opioid epidemic. democracy’s failure to achieve justice. i’d write more detailed but the AI sentry blocks my writings.
Bravo! Blaming the press is weak and lazy. I am so glad to hear this said out loud. When someone says "the media" I cringe. What about the people? What about us?
It would be great to clarify why. The media only incentive is money and no one is holding them accountable for half-truths, mislead reports and straightforward lies, therefore they increase advertising every year, so they have to increase viewership full of sensationalist stuff which appeals to our basic emotions, mostly fear and anger. Once you are aware that with this nonstop loop someone is directing you with selling bigotry, racism, homophobia it can be too late. Democracy is constant awareness noz just about governments propaganda, corporations ro it to with advertising and marketing.
@@dayegilharno4988We blame the consumer based on a lot of people being ignorant to the differences in journalism. Most people dont pay attention to what's an opinion piece, factual presenting, or an analysis. They just dont, then they blame the media when its them who cant tell the difference. 😂😂😂
@@drgribb we would if they were honest and not tabloid journalism! Michael West and multiple respectable journalists including the late, great John Pilger won't even work for them so how can we rely on an objective fourth estate when we basically have a media duopoly and political vested interests by those who own those "newspapers" you are just embarrassing yourself!
One thing we as a people need to get comfortable asking and answering is "why do you believe that?". That needs to be a primary point of conversations.
I saw this movie today and absolutely loved it. Despite the vagueness around the political background of the conflict, I felt it was clear in its message. And living in the DC area, that last 30 minutes was so intense!
8:00 All respect to Garland, but Boris Johnson also came up AS A JOURNALIST. Failures within the "4th Estate" are as responsible for our dysfunction as anything else.
Alex, a man who seems extremely uncomfortable in front of the camera but with conviction in his words, an amazing writer, some of my favorite films, also the husband of a crush in my teens, not sure if I am more jealous of him or her (Hi Polo).
8:22 - (talking about Trump & Boris Johnson's lies) "I wish I had a joke up my sleeve.. " Here you go: “Donald Trump and Boris Johnson: the Tweedledum & Tweedledee of pants-on-fire politics” (Eddie Izzard)
You cut off the most important and interesting point for what? Fast food commercials? Big business in the press and in general would be a key contributor to a Civil War. They trivialize EVERYTHING.
That last thing he said was one of the most profound. Every person who is at least trying to be a decent human being has some loonie out there claiming to represent them, and has to grapple with other people saying, “Oh, you’re _______ just like those creeps over there, I already know what you think, what you believe, how dumb you are...” They aren’t interested in being corrected either. When you say you’re not like those people, folks roll their eyes and say, “Oh, #notall_______,” and still won’t listen. If you’re reading this and can’t think of any situation where someone misjudged you this way, you’re probably either an extremist or someone who doesn’t do much of anything.
We live is a strange world now. Even though it is fictional the possibility is more stronger than ever before. Remarkable I remember an HBO Original film called "Second Civil War" which was a comedy and satire since everyone said not likely to happen. Now we have another film suggesting another Civil War in the United States and now it is a serious film ko longer something to laugh but to ponder.
Thank you for pointing this out! I never read the novel, but did watch the film. Riveting in many ways about the psyche of humans whilst traveling in foreign lands, in the wilderness. Along with the soundtrack, it actually shaped a big part of my adolescence. Now I would like to visit that story again and read the book.
For an interview with practically zero jokes or humour, that was one of the best interviews I've ever watched here on TDS. Does no harm at all for us to be presented with something like this every now and again here, especially when most viewers of TDS would share a similar ideology or outlook. No need to apologise for your lack of jokes Mr. Garland - you were compelling viewing as you were.
Well said…
I think you can even see Michael Kosta adjusting to being more serious as the interview goes on. At the start, he seems too eager to revert back to making jokes but lets it go eventually. You can tell he is still learning how to find the balance and the right tone, especially compared to Jon Stewart (not meant as criticism). Very interesting interview in any case.
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"Most people are not extremists, most people just are not. They don't really have a voice. Extremists have occupied noise." This is powerful stuff. I'd like to hear the rest of this thought.
What I would add to that is that the noise from extremist eventually becomes normalized. Allowing them to have a microphone set to max volume at all times is exhausting and damaging.
The squeaky wheel gets noticed.
I wanted to hear what he was about to say "and the key thing to be" before the applause interrupted him and not finish.
Its because normal people dont organize into millitias and buy guns. The Fanatics do, they roll into town and conscript the men who can fight at the barrel of the gun.
There's a quote by George Bernard Shaw, the Irish playwright and activist who saw alot of societal upheaval, that goes: "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
That's what Garland is referring to, though the original quote was more about innovation in a way. Though Civil war is innovation in a way also. All the media is focused on the unrreasnable man, and they are the ones quoted and put on TV. In a Russian Disinformation Study" or the "Russian Fake News Study," done by researchers at the Psychological Department of Moscow State University and published in the journal "Psychological Science, they found that you can change people's view of reality within a couple of days if you bombarded them with enough disinformation.
This is one of the main issues in the US. The news is owned by just a few corporations and they focus on the extremes and polarize people, which is what creates the environment for Civil War.
Get with it in the editing, guys. You cut off the outro and missed the handshake. May seem small, but capture the whole clip and give the guest their due
:) Noticed that too... That's just bad style!
they were covering for a bad interviewer probably.
I noticed that too. It cut off the guest mid thought and made Kosta appear rude.
Politics is a tool to serve the people NOT AN IDENTITY!! I'm English and it breaks my heart to watch this happen to America. I hope this film wakes people up to that fact
Unfortunately, too many American politicians want certain people served on a platter after being roasted on a spit.
i can’t even write comments that youtube won’t delete. fake country. you cannot write ANYTHING about how to take power from US oligarchs. it will be brutal and it will not be televised.
Politics is supposed to be about policies. The Americans have made it into a personality contest, making demigods out of their politicians, and while they have become cultists their demigods don't actually care about policies. It's scary.
immature minds see their vote as spiritual purity test.. it's all about self, not strategy
people waking up is important but not possible with this press....which is the hero in the movie...not in real life
Reading "The Beach" 20 years ago I remember thinking it was such a deep and original take on the scars of war. The feature film did not even touch the subject. I am glad Alex Garland decided to make his own films.
I was thinking the exact same thing. I was blown away by The Beach when I read it-probably when you did. Watching the film was a "Did we read the same book???" experience.
He’s got an impressive track record: The Beach, screenplay for 28 days and 28 weeks later, Sunshine, and Dredd. Wrote and directed Ex Machina, Annihilation, Devs, and Men.
I love how Kosta took Garland seriously instead of just kidding around.
I think Kosta quickly realised the tone of the conversation he was having around 3:00
Kostas seemed intimidated in this interview, he might have been unsettled by the fact that Garland didn't seem to like his attempts at humor, clearly Garland wanted to have a serious conversation, regardless of the venue.
Garland will admit he struggles with the public facing side of things. He always does. He comes across as aloof and dismissive (partly because he is) but also because he just hates this kind of thing. I have no doubt his publisher or production company urged him to appear on something like this, to do the promotional rounds in order to generate attention for the movie... he understands the value of this stuff, I think he was burned by his experiences on DRED and wants to do the best he can to sell the movie, but he will always be horribly uncomfortable in these situations - it's just who he is.
I felt Kostas read Garland early on, pivoting well to abandon his usual quippy sarcasm and instead going for the straight forward Q & A. Kostas also revealed he actually saw the film and differentiated the film narrative and the trailer clips.
The trailer is goofy, cliche bs tbh, the Director, like most are up themselves
@@thesuncollective1475 My guy - are you not familiar with Garlands work? He is the real deal.
@@Hazzard65well said. Hope to get many more movies/series by Garland. Kostas will learn the more he does interviews as well.
As someone who works for the US Government, I'm so tired of political parties demeaning the people who work within the govt. Military, forestry, regulators, public health, housing, disaster recovery, law enforcement, education… we're all here because we want to. We are not some villain conspiring against the employer and country we love. Time to get back to country over party, and learn to have respectful agree and disagreements.
Couldn't agree more. So much respect is given to the armed forces for "serving their country" without considering the other public servants that serve the country in just as meaningful (if not moreso) ways. But few seem interested in paying respect to our public servants.
But you are? Tulsa Massacre happened because of people like you especially higher ups
Love this
What about Public employees union your gold plated retirement grift. Goverment is America's biggest CON
@@raygon8 Spare us from your ignorance. Not everyone is in a union.
My great great great grandfather was a sawbones for the Union in the American Civil War (and hopefully the only). I read his journals, well what I could make out, penmanship was different then. Few Americans know the bloodshed and pain, they don't understand the failures of reconstruction and how that divide never fully healed, and most people don't seem to recall that in our Civil War there were SIX TIMES as many casualties suffered by the US during WWII.
I don't think most people understand how absolutely deadly and destructive a civil war is, its fantasized because war has for America over the past century, never touched our soil. It happened 'over there', out of mind. But theres nothing that prevents Chicago or Atlanta or anywhere else from looking exactly like Gaza.
I appreciate your history lesson and heart perspective. Americans of this generation could be the "great generation" if they learn this lesson well. Thank you.
We need more people like him
lol
Hate to say it but I think it should have been Jon in the interview. This country needs this movie and this interview in particular needs to be taken seriously.
I agree. He was being a tool trying to make jokes. He took him too long to adjust. He finally met him where he was.
Let him get his reps in too guys. He has to learn. Stewart and Noah started off like this if u guys don’t recall
the country needs this movie??
@@klnrklnr4433 agreed. this movie isnt going to change anyones mind about anything. weak message.
America has owned slaves for longer than they have not owned slaves.
How long do you think it takes for us as a country and it s institutions to move on from that?
Until they make reparations and a sincer spol9gy
@@bretwalker you already got reperations in the form of welfare
Not true America only had slavery for 73 years read a book next time and America didn’t even have the most slaves brought
It seems disingenuous for the media to be saying they despise the idea of a civil war when they elevate people calling for it (Coulter, MTG, Trump, etc.).
Meh, but is the media elevating these people because the media actually wants to test the waters for civil war or is it just bottom line, clicks and views? We the people are the ones obsessed with sensationalism and hanging on the crazies every word. If we stopped giving them as much attention, the media would follow.
This movie was the most powerful film I've seen in the last decade. This was so emotional and full of great storytelling
Been dying to see this movie since the trailer dropped, cant wait to the two whole days until its released
Reminder that Fox News has argued in court that they are not journalists but entertainers.
Rachel Maddow did the same thing.
An admirable man, humble, well spoken. I love Costa but he wasn’t the right choice to interview the guy, he kept interrupting, saying “right” etc. which was distracting. Will look for other interviews with Garland. Motivated now to see the movie.
Journalists ARE extremely important to our way of life. But we absolutely have to find a way to cease the marketing inherent in most mainstream news…marketing is a term I use here because too many outlets are giving just enough context to stir anxiety and anger BECAUSE angry, anxious people stay tuned and that sells advertising. We need to get back to “the Fairness Doctrine” and Walter Cronkite style reporting without hyperbole and/or deletion of context that would reduce anxiety. The WHOLE story is important.
I recommend people seek out news sources that are rigorous in fact checking and provide as much context as possible.
One excellent source of such news is UA-camr “Beau of the Fifth Column”. Yes, there is a decided left slant but also enough context to reduce anxiety.
Beau only “leans left” only because DJT didn’t just push it, he drop kicked Overton’s Window so far to the right, anything that promotes any form of social equity feels “leftist” to many out there. Even if he is an avowed Progressive, there’s nothing wrong with caring about issues if they don’t actually affect him in his daily life. When someone lives their life with a true sense integrity, intellectual dishonesty from people like DJT and all those who still support him become quite off putting. If you like Beau, and I do too, check out Tennessee Brando too, except he doesn’t sugarcoat his material as well as Beau does. Side note: If you’re not familiar with it yet, Google: #Project2025 when you have the chance.
@@DiscoDashco Project 2025 is as terrifying as it is disgusting. I am a military retiree, also did 3 yrs as DOD civilian as I transitioned to my current career. Effectively making EVERY Federal Employee swear allegiance to a man rather than the Constitution is about as dystopian as I can imagine.
I will look for Tennessee Brando
All Americans needs to see this movie.
His 2014 movie "Ex Machina" is excellent science fiction. I highly recommend it.
I saw this movie this earlier this week and it was very scary no doubt about it. Had me glued to my seat
Great movie. Just don't expect a high-octane action movie.
I love this director and writer!
I had a small role on this film and the scene was cut 😭 I'm crushed 😢 But Garland and Dunst are fantastic artists.
was that scene used in test screenings/ or just scrapped altogether
Great movie, and will possibly become a documentary at some point if the US doesn't get its 💩 together.
It's true, extremists are the loudest ones in the room, which is at least not as scary as the extremists you don't see or hear. Those are the ones we really have to uncover.
Looking fwd to
Seeing this flic!
Garland: "Extremists have occupied noise, and I think the key thing is..."
*is interrupted by audience applause/noise*
Kosta: "Thank you for coming to chat with us!"
I'm sure this was more just unfortunate timing for a commercial break, but Garland not being able to fully finish his thought and possibly present a solution (?) was so ironic.
man was on point
We really need Jon Stewart to cover more nights. This interview should have been conducted by Jon. Not everyone can be a host. Even Costa seemed uncomfortable.
R.I.P. DMZ that came out like 20 years ago 😬
fantastic film.
Andrew Callaghan of channel 5 news here on UA-cam is a great place to look for what journalism is supposed to be , need more like him
Amazing
I think the idea that the press isn't responsible for leading us here with our politicians is just ignoring one of the issues we need to fix in our society.
"Only psychopaths want disintegration." Precisely. Unfortunately, psychopaths have been in power for a very long time. As far as journalism, of all the debilitating outcomes of digital technologies, the loss or destabilizing of small hometown newspapers has had a profoundly poor effect on community and social discourse. Honestly, most Americans don't care enough about most things to ever engage in large-scale civil war. It is the fanatic fringe who wants to fight. Everybody else just wants to create a better world. A sidenote... Garland's 2022 movie "Men" was absolutely eye-opening. Beautiful. Disturbing. Wonderful.
"We need trusted journalists". Sure, it's been decades since we've had any...
That's exactly how I feel about January 6th. Can't wait to see this movie.
The point that many fascist dont think they are fascist is true, for some its a slow eroding
Not even as a joke does it feel acceptable for Kosta to keep insisting that Garland takes pleasure in depicting the country tearing itself apart. The man is clearly distressed and made the movie as a means of begging people to take this time of us teetering on the cliff of a civil war seriously. Yes, Kosta, TDS is a comedy show, but you've got to know when going for the joke is the wrong instinct.
Agreed, we are way too close to the 11th hour for this muted dialogue and these stale tongue-in-cheek jokes. The entire world is watching us right now, and all of our allies are terrified at the increasingly plausible likelihood of our empire falling on its own sword
Costa clearly has never seen ‘Invasion USA’ starring Chuck Norris
what is in his left jacket pocket that he keeps checking on?, Interesting body language Mr. Garland.
Masonic. Fauci did the same thing
The key thing is... the key thing? WHAT! What is the key thing?
I saw the preview in theaters, and the one thing I was like wow that would never happen was California and Texas were an alliance and I was like OK that’s definitely nothing that would ever happen ever. Well, at least the two governments the citizens probably would align with each other.
I think that was part of the point. Texas and California are seen as standard bearers for each side of our current division. The Libertarian Utopia of Texas and the People's Republic of California. To have just one be the rebel would have the point of the movie be completely drowned out. The discussion would be "see, they want to destroy us." But this way, people can't say that conclusively. They have to sit in the uncertainty of who the bad guy is.
“We need journalists.” No, we need unbiased journalists. We don’t have that today.
Was Alex the gas station attendant in the film? The people need to know
Love that he spoke out for journalists, but there is a real issue with the 24-hr news cycle industrial complex that we've found ourselves in. But we need to distinguish that from journalists.
Yeah it's also the fact that news agencies have consolidated into increasingly fewer hands over the past 50 years. The hands under which they have consolidated belong to the mega rich, who have interests closely aligned with high ranking members of government. That defeats the entire purpose of the "Fourth Estate"...
Yeah but so-called journalists that work for corporate media outlets are partisan hacks. Real journalists are mostly Independent but you almost never hear about them in the mainstream media, which is why people turn to social media for actual news.
The movie is mostly about war photographer journalists, not those who write headlines
@@mikehc6159Wagner Moura’s character writes articles. Lee (Kirsten Dunst) is the photographer.
Intriguing! And yet the poor guy was concerned that we only wanted jokes. I'm looking forward to seeing this, and more of him!
If you want to hear about serious existential threats to your country, watch the comedians. If you want jokes, watch the politicians.
You should watch his 2014 film "Ex Machina". It's excellent acting, excellent writing, tense science fiction about Artificial Intelligence.
@@stevechance150 I didn't realize that was his film. I Loved it!
Devs and Annihilation as well
@@Arcadious10 Taking notes. Thanks!
We in the United States are very entitled and have no clue what would happen if we had a civil war. No one would win, our way of life would be completely destroyed.
My wife lived through a civil war and her birth country has never recovered, even 30 years later.
We already had one civil war, and in traditional American fashion, we want seconds.
We already had one and thanks for insulting us and being ignorant yourself.
@@starofdabloc pfft, and how many years ago was that?
be a lot different endgame now bruh.
@@klnrklnr4433 so I guess all the other hundreds of countries who haven’t had a war in forever are spoiled and entitled too? 🤔
May I ask which country is was? Just out of curiosity.
The bullies are the loudest
At the same time the weakest.
And the most afraid in their soul.
and always a super minority. always, especially online. a very tiny % can make create a very unpleasant environment
*the brits (there I fixed it for you)
Hmmm. Interesting considering the loud mouth left is constantly whining and bullying people.
I think a film that depicts what an actual civil war would look like is important in a country that seems so close to civil war.
It is absolutely true that people feel we are grower closer and closer to one. As a country though, regular Americans aren’t going to like the ugliness of war. It is especially bad when it is your own countrymen.
How exactly do these Banana Republican trumpsters think one would actually play out though?
I don't think they've thought it through. Door to door "huntin' the libs"????
It's not close at all. But talking about it more makes it more likely. And making movies about it..makes people talk about it more.
@@markright6759 i feel the same.
the extremists have been pedaling the narrative for a while. we're talking about war only because they're talking about war. there's a slight difference....
some are using the theme for all sorts of clout, gifting, you name it... fear sells.
but we should also keep in mind that while there were/are training camps and organizations preparing for a war (the 3%ers, oath keepers, proud boys, boogaloo boys, to name a few) when their leaders got arrested after the J6, there was no fighting, no financial support, no push back, no nothing... in fact some flipped and got into deals w/ the DAs, so that's that.. amateur hour as they say, to me they look more like cosplaying than being 'militants'.
@@markright6759oh, you want to sleepwalk into it, rather than possibly prevent it by raising the danger of it? There’s talking and there’s warning
Really cut that short…
I get that he just ran out of time but I would have liked to hear him finish his final thought.
If your not at least a little unnerved by "what kind of American?" then either you haven't been paying attention, or you're the one asking that question. One of the better interviews I've seen in quite a while. IDGAF about politicians or celebrity BS.
Nothing wrong with politicians. Politicians are a reflection of the people whom they represent. Like this guy is tired of Journalists getting a bad reputation, I'm kind of tired of the "politicians bad" trope. No, only certain ones are.
@@Lennybird91? What would happen if nobody voted? For either one?
@@karenknute4718
The rich people will dispose of surplus humans
@@Lennybird91 that’s not true at all. We don’t have a choice, just the illusion of choice. The big donors and party insiders are the ones that truly decide and then we lose rights one way or the other regardless of which way you vote. Both sides trying to control the other, creating laws that make us less free with every swing of the pendulum.
Also if you see the movie that scene is somehow scarier in the movie
Eldridge Cleaver summed up why America matters to the rest of the world, and that was in 1968, when the Vietnam War was at its peak: "It is not an overstatement to say that the destiny of the entire human race depends on what is going on in America today. This is a staggering reality to the rest of the world; they must feel like passengers in a supersonic jet liner who are forced to watch helplessly while a passel of drunks, hypes, freaks, and madmen fight for the controls and the pilot’s seat."
Impressive words from Alex Garland
The talk about the press was on point. I don’t think we should demonize them either. Yes, sometimes they get it wrong. But, if a person is open to ideas, you can double check by looking at both sides. Doing research about a topic improves press literacy.
@publicuser2534 The problem is many people don't and won't do that.
@@publicuser2534 We need to fact check everything because we don't have the Fairness Doctrine any longer.
@@thomasalva9263 I think trusting some random source is both lazy and willfully ignorant.
@@publicuser2534 The press is nothing more than the extension of our government at this point. They all shill for those in power, it can be big pharma, Biden, Trump it doesn't matter, all of it is controlled to keep us divided and not pulling them down.
This is a smart man.
The accent makes him sound smarter but yes.
he’s not
lol
Let's create a country that has healthcare and journalism for all. At moment the journalism, education and healthcare seem to be lacking for everyone but the rich. Everything in the USA in owned by a few rich billionaires. Let's stand up to the American Oligarchy.
Yes
I believe that due to the eviseration of public education over the last 60 years in the US, half the population will actively vote against their own interests, to support any number of fascist demagogues, fundamentalist theocrats and charlatans.
they’ll just use the lower jews as human shields. it’s impossible to get justice from them without a fasces.
I wish you luck, but some of us have to pay bills till we die because poverty is a misdemeanor and homelessness is a felony in this Skinner Box called Murrica...
Tax the oligarchy to pay for freedom and democracy
Starting conversations by trying to find out what sources of information both parties agree are reliable is difficult.
Nobody agrees that any information is truth. This will divide us intrinsically.
@@roberttalada5196Ironically, we both agree that no one can agree on anything anymore. Consensus reality is dead. 2+2 does, in fact, equal 5 to so many people. And they will never, ever be convinced that anything else is true.
@@roberttalada5196 That was the plan.
@@roberttalada5196 - Please shove your willful ignorance far up QAnus.
@@Blackhoodie85 - There is only one set of actual facts. The source of the facts is irrelevant. Agreement about the source of the facts is irrelevant.
Whether one agrees with the facts, or not, does not alter the facts.
I like him and I don't like that I read something about him wanting to be done making films. It would be a loss for lovers of thought provoking speculative fiction everywhere.
But being so provocative with speculative fiction, in order for us to wake up to what could happen, must be extremely depressing and terrifying to always be with the deep intensity of horrific possibilities.
More interviews like this please. Save the jokes for the monologue and let the guests speak freely.
Straight up....jokes are great, and have their place...even, and if not especially in some interviews, but the no jokes straightforward nature of this one was legendary.
@@dennislp3 For sure. I've seen too many interviews where the jokes distract from what the guests are saying. It was great that Michael could sense the tone and let him talk.
I didn't think I could watch this movie, until I heard this interview. It's clear from listening to Garland, that it's a thoughtful film, not a sensationalized action adventure movie.
nah, its clearly an action adventure film in keeping with the likes of Armageddon etc
If you know his other work then you know you're going to be in for something thought provoking.
Don't watch it. Its overhyped and you'll leave questioning what you just watched.
Yeah, one certainly wouldn't ever want to watch something that leaves them thinking about what they just watched. Films should be things that we immediately flush out of our brains as soon as the credits roll.
@@klnrklnr4433 I've seen it. It isn't.
He seems like a beautiful human.❤
Yes, and very deeply intense and humble, only mentioning in passing that he started the film before January 6. Whereas some others would boast about its propheticness.
weird
if i can ask anything of people reading these, go see this movie. I got lucky with a pre screening and I haven't been more pushed by a film in a really long time. its brutal and entirely possible.
It's entirely possible that Texas and California would unite to fight the other 48 states??
@@andrewklang809yes. Definitely yes. IE, San Diego, and other parts outside of metropolitan California is red
not even remotely possible but keep dreaming.
@@andrewklang809 lol, texas won't unite with anybody. too self loathing.
King Con will NOT be President. But...VOTEVOTEVOTE💙 out the Banana Republicans!!!!
Oh lord…. Here we go again…
@@nadominhoca ok tr*mpster
@@nadominhocaThat individual is heated in their words, yes, but if you listen to the things DJT says, it’s not to be taken lightly. Google: #Project2025 for an idea of what lies at stake here, and why someone like this sounds hyperbolic the way they do. When DJT says he’d “only be dictator for one day” you can believe him in two ways; that he would become one, but not just for a day. Never in recorded history has anyone who has usurped power in government to establish a dictatorship has ever given up their power eventually, gradually, willingly. When faced with the conundrum of clarifying what he meant by that, he doubled down on it too.
@@nadominhocaIt's much MUCH different this time - if that's what you meant.
@Drax_Corrandd *Wow, what a STRONG inDUHpendent mind you must have!*
*Have a shiddy day, ell oh ell smgdmfh*. 💋
A lot of people smugly watching this won’t realize he’s talking about them too
No one wants to see division unless you're a psychopath. Well said.
And yet it's something all of MAGA wants, what does that say about them ?
Israel isn't so much a fan of "inclusion" at the current moment. Especially if your a journalist in Gaza.
@@tiscitatascit I know. You won’t hear any argument from me.
What's up with the audience interrupting him trying to say something that was seemingly important to him and then the host ending the show ?
Because they're at a comedy show and biased towards laughing at anything, however insignificant. It's a shame that modern journalism is in the state that it's in and that we now have to rely on comedy shows to get any kind of decent reporting.
The best thing to have in a civil war... is a New Zealand passport. 🤪
Which is why the globalist elite are all building bunkers there.
So uh...do we need a sponsor?
If Canada won’t let you in….. what makes you think New Zealand will?? 😂
Bro, I'm a Kiwi. Two major news sources I grew up with have been shut down this week. We have a ghastly government at the moment
@@artrobinson9310Americans are ignorant about other countries.
Dude wrote a script for a Halo movie that never came to be in the mid 2000’s. It surfaced on the internet a few years ago. Might be the best video game adaptation script I’ve ever read. I was a fan after that. So I’m sure it’ll be great.
This dude is spot on about people knowing fascist or far right are negative terms but at the same time they don't identify themselves as such despite holding those beliefs.
Oh but the far left isn't dangerous? Hmmm
That's a fate that the US shares with the former East Germany... Both were anti-fascist by definition, while we in West Germany had to actually learn about what fascism looks and sounds like BEFORE people are all wearing uniforms and hunt opposition in the streets!
You may benefit from studying logical fallacies, my friend @@firefly9838
@@firefly9838try to stay away from “what-about-ism” and you’ll find a far more productive conversation can be had
In truth, countries across the world that have tried to/are purported to have realised “communism” on a large scale have almost invariably fallen into right-wing dictatorships. The human nature element of power and politics means that “far-left” ideologies, such as communism, almost can’t exist in reality. Look at what happened to famous examples of communism like Cuba and Russia. Those aren’t communist states
yes blm
He's my favorite director/writer, I love his movies.
*and TV show. Devs rules.
movies are a bit hit and miss but always interesting.
You should have that director on again. He has great camera presence. Wonderful voice.
Ex Machina was such a killer movie
We need the Honest truth. We don't need alternative facts/Fox.
Both sides do it. One is outright the other tells half truths or manipulates data into weird narratives.
here’s the honest truth: only fascism can obtain justice from people like the Sackler family.
youtube won’t let you write the truth. comments get deleted.
truth is oxycontin is why we’re here. ask why they sold oxycontin to what they privately called “hillbillies and pillbillies,” laughing while they died. that’s extremism. that’s the real crime. 6 million dead in the real, living memory holocaust.
truth is 💊 are why we’re here. the ones released in 1996 that started the opioid epidemic. democracy’s failure to achieve justice. i’d write more detailed but the AI sentry blocks my writings.
A movie can provoke thoughtful conversation. I remember "The Day After".
Yeah, watching that as a teenager messed me up....
@@edwardfletcher7790 Same. And then, 'Threads' from the BBC, THAT didn't help!
Bravo! Blaming the press is weak and lazy. I am so glad to hear this said out loud. When someone says "the media" I cringe. What about the people? What about us?
BLAMING THE PRESS IS WEAK AND LAZY 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
It would be great to clarify why. The media only incentive is money and no one is holding them accountable for half-truths, mislead reports and straightforward lies, therefore they increase advertising every year, so they have to increase viewership full of sensationalist stuff which appeals to our basic emotions, mostly fear and anger. Once you are aware that with this nonstop loop someone is directing you with selling bigotry, racism, homophobia it can be too late. Democracy is constant awareness noz just about governments propaganda, corporations ro it to with advertising and marketing.
It is. But we still need to talk about how corporate media destroyed actual journalism - Can't blame everything on the customer, either :)
@@dayegilharno4988We blame the consumer based on a lot of people being ignorant to the differences in journalism. Most people dont pay attention to what's an opinion piece, factual presenting, or an analysis. They just dont, then they blame the media when its them who cant tell the difference. 😂😂😂
When Fox TV, NewsMax etc are actively spreading Fear and Hate with Lies to keep people watching, how can you not blame the Press ??
Looking forward to the movie.
That could have been longer. And gone better. This is important. And was reduced to a sound bite.
This guy's voice is well suited to tell a group of kids to keep quiet because they are in a library
Bring back the actual Fourth Estate and accountability...we are with you! ✊🏾
Support newspapers ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@drgribb we would if they were honest and not tabloid journalism! Michael West and multiple respectable journalists including the late, great John Pilger won't even work for them so how can we rely on an objective fourth estate when we basically have a media duopoly and political vested interests by those who own those "newspapers" you are just embarrassing yourself!
And we have a person running for president, who has states that he will pardon all those traitors sent to prison for the January 6th Insurrection
One thing we as a people need to get comfortable asking and answering is "why do you believe that?". That needs to be a primary point of conversations.
Alex was so concerned about being too serious. Bless him. That was a wonderful interview and I can't wait to watch the movie.
I saw this movie today and absolutely loved it. Despite the vagueness around the political background of the conflict, I felt it was clear in its message. And living in the DC area, that last 30 minutes was so intense!
Poor man couldn't keep his hand out of his pocket. He must be carrying some worry stones to rub.
8:00 All respect to Garland, but Boris Johnson also came up AS A JOURNALIST. Failures within the "4th Estate" are as responsible for our dysfunction as anything else.
Alex, a man who seems extremely uncomfortable in front of the camera but with conviction in his words, an amazing writer, some of my favorite films, also the husband of a crush in my teens, not sure if I am more jealous of him or her (Hi Polo).
8:22 - (talking about Trump & Boris Johnson's lies) "I wish I had a joke up my sleeve.. " Here you go: “Donald Trump and Boris Johnson: the Tweedledum & Tweedledee of pants-on-fire politics” (Eddie Izzard)
Some want civil war to erase debt like in Fight Club...hmmmm
My favorite screenwriter of all time, hands down.
You cut off the most important and interesting point for what? Fast food commercials?
Big business in the press and in general would be a key contributor to a Civil War. They trivialize EVERYTHING.
Vote. Vote. Vote. Vote. Vote.
Don’t let them stop you. IT MATTERS.
Thank you
That last thing he said was one of the most profound. Every person who is at least trying to be a decent human being has some loonie out there claiming to represent them, and has to grapple with other people saying, “Oh, you’re _______ just like those creeps over there, I already know what you think, what you believe, how dumb you are...” They aren’t interested in being corrected either. When you say you’re not like those people, folks roll their eyes and say, “Oh, #notall_______,” and still won’t listen.
If you’re reading this and can’t think of any situation where someone misjudged you this way, you’re probably either an extremist or someone who doesn’t do much of anything.
nuance is lost on you eh?
It’s anti war not anti liberal or republican
But you can't have stability and decency with people you cannot rationalize with.😐
I watched the film.
It was sobering in a terrifying way.
Fascism wrapped in american flag holding a bible. See: Trump hugging flag
We live is a strange world now. Even though it is fictional the possibility is more stronger than ever before. Remarkable I remember an HBO Original film called "Second Civil War" which was a comedy and satire since everyone said not likely to happen. Now we have another film suggesting another Civil War in the United States and now it is a serious film ko longer something to laugh but to ponder.
His novel “The Beach” was a great read,
Thank you for pointing this out!
I never read the novel, but did watch the film. Riveting in many ways about the psyche of humans whilst traveling in foreign lands, in the wilderness. Along with the soundtrack, it actually shaped a big part of my adolescence. Now I would like to visit that story again and read the book.
read that book when it came out whilst on the plane to thailand.
great read.
@@DiscoDashco the book is definitely worth a read
Love ya Kosta but learn when it's not time to joke.
His lack of awareness is jarring
He looks exactly like Russell Peters in white face.