Did They Have Germs Back Then? - Spanish Military Hospital 1784
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- Опубліковано 4 кві 2021
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"Doesn't sound that bad to me."
"Well, they didn't have any nutmeg."
"How barbaric!"
Lies, of course we have Nuez Moscada.
I am flabbergasted by the fish blatter glue,the trepanation procedure, the herb burning. The cleanliness procedures. All of it frankly. Such genius.
Trepanation is pretty simple, humans have been doing it on and off for thousands of years. What really gets me is that they were doing all of these things in concert, knowing that they had a positive effect but for each of them not understanding the real reasons why.
Humans... if nothing else, we're creative and innovative!
The people of the past wasn't dumb, they just had less material stuff and accumulated knowledge than us.
Interestingly enough tilapia skin is being used as a dressing for severe burns on both people and animals. It’s showing a crap ton of promise in reducing healing time and scaring.
@@garret1930 tens of thousands of years. Prehistoric man trepanned people.
She not only knows her stuff, but she delivers it in a very entertaining way! Awesome! :)
right the spanish "told" the Moors they had to go that made me chuckle cause they told them to go at the point of a spear heheh
@@mikepette4422 Don't forget her casual reference to them mixing the laudanum with "some herbs" that induced calm and euphoria. Could be any herbs, I'm sure...
@@Nvenom8. ....hehe
This docent is wonderful.
Yeah, you can tell she really loves this stuff.
My great-great grandmother said, “when I was young, nobody knew what germs were. Now they’re on everything!”
wouldn't that have been .. during the Spanish Flu outbreak? Depending how old you are.
My great-great grandmother said "You don't even know me. I died 40 years before you were born. Stop trying to talk to ghosts."
@@KairuHakubi - In the 1918 flu period they did already know about germs but not about viruses and they could not find the culprit.
My Grandpa said the same about cholesterol
@@shane1489 I mean, I know where people are coming from when they say that, but not knowing something doesn’t mean it’s not there. People try these sorts of shenanigans all to often with deleterious results.
Moral of the story: If you ever find yourself transported back in time, move to Florida.
I was thinking: If you ever move back in time, don't break your bones. But whatever...
If you are not transported in time, stay away. Florida is full!
Or Spain
Or Spain
Fight for Spain
She's an excellent orator, thanks for sharing!
I like her voice, it really fits with his history channel.
She's clearly invested in the history of traumatic surgical procedures. She might not be as nice as we suspect her to be... a little too invested, me thinks.
Just kidding, she's a sweetheart.
"Off that puppy came"...LUV this video. As a nurse it is so interesting..and it didn't seem like a 20 minute video...l wanted more!
Same! I'm a paramedic and I found it fascinating!
I hope he does a few more of these!
It really didn't seem like 20 minutes!
This is equal parts interesting and terrifying
Makes you yearn for the 'good ol' Days', right. 😉
Horrifying-
You should check out the torture museum in St Augustine
And just to add salt to the wound, this is probably the best medicine you could get in those times
I made it to 7:44. It is a good presentation, but too much for me.
I'm a paramedic, and, for obvious reasons, this has to be my favorite episode! This was brilliant! I loved every second of it! So interesting!
First aid hasn't changed much. Staunch the bleeding. Immobilize the fractures. Try to keep the patient from going into shock.
@@dbmail545 First aid is only a portion of what paramedics do today.
They are effectively mobile Intensive Care Units. Many are capable of mixing gases, initiating intubation and ventilators, establishing interveneous access and drips including antiarrthymics, titration of medications, management of chronic disease, monitoring of arterial BP and ICP, pulmonary wedge pressure, etc.
@@dbow5077 unfortunately, there is only so much that even a paramedic can do in some cases
@@dinkelheit88
There is only so much [insert any profession] can do in any case.
I was just responding to the above poster who implied the majority, if not totality, of what paramedics do is first-aid.
Depending on the locality and dispatch algorithm, very little of what paramedics do is first aid.
Some of us, indeed the majority, perform far and away more medical interventions than trauma.
whoa! i hope to one day become a paramedic myself, and i get you, i just studied some of this stuff before watching this video because 18th hundred practices are so bizarre
love the work you guys do :)
Holy cow, the Moors washed their medical implements in vinegar? Pretty darn advanced.
"advanced" is relative... it was most likely, that someone noticed, that vinegar cleaned things better than pure water and therefore they used it more. Use what works...
Old-English milkmaids disinfected their butter churns with salt and sunlight. And Oetzi was found with the toilet paper of his time - a certain spongy, absorbent moss.
Vinegar is acidic and good for stripping rust off of metal tools. It is still used in some blacksmithing practices today (a vinegar bath is a common first step in metal restoration to strip rust).
So, they were using it is a cleaning agent, not an antiseptic.
It is also worth mentioning that the medical advancements of the Moors (and the rest of the Islamic world) came from the Greeks and Persians, not Islamic innovation. While Europe had what was left from Rome and Greece, the Muslims had the Greek learning stockpiled by the descendants of Alexander in Alexandria's library and the Persian Empire (which remained unlooted by the Romans).
What the Moors had through the middle ages and Renaissance was just what the Europeans had - that which was preserved from earlier cultures moreso than any new innovations. It will be the Enlightenment before we see much in new innovation rather than just refinements on existing practices.
@@m.h.6470 but that's essentially what science is. The Moors, developed the scientific method and theory used today, which is evidence based experimentation, that is repeatable. So for that time, especially compared to the rest of Europe, is was quite advanced, and can still be used today in the home.
Vinegar was a staple cleaner for a long long time. So while they had no idea they were killing bacteria, they did know that the instruments got really clean, didn't rust and patients weren't showing infections to the same degree. Trial and error produces results, even without knowledge. Which is why the 4 humours theory was still being used. Treatments based on this theory were working.........accidently of course but they didn't care.
She would be good at telling ghost stories around the campfire. I'm going to have to sleep with the lights on tonight.
Her description of that surgery was pretty metal.
And so matter-of-fact. That kinda stuff makes me wince, but she's just like "nice angular cuts, tie the remaining skin flap back, get through the bone, tie it off and boom."
"Everyone's gotta die of somethin', but ideally these techniques won't kill ya"
@@JagerLange Keeping the limb was an absolute sure way to die in agony. I very much rather take the 75% chance.
I'm impressed at the fact that people were prepared to act based on empirical evidence without necessarily having a clear explanation for why something was so.
I guess it’s the age old saying of “if ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” But I do agree it is quite amazing.
@@Clueblue109 exactly. Humans have always been this wat until very recently. We used to rely on correlation=causation very heavily.
They knew just as we "know." They used the evidence they gathered and came up with an explanation, just as we do, and to question this "common knowledge" would have you laughed out of any intellectual conversation, then or now.
@@conspiracyscholor7866 good point. My original comment was made from the perspective that many people in all times (including modern life) will eschew what works because it doesn't fit with their preconceptions. I'm sure it was just as true then as it is now.
However, you are right in that most knowledge, if not all, is pattern recognition and conjecture based on empirical evidence.
Logic is nothing new, nor is the reasoning that stems from it. They had it in Greece when the humors medicine was invented (and long before then). Some things just don't have the evidence until a discovery is made, and sometimes that discovery is in plain sight and overlooked (something as simple as flushing wounds and washing hands/tools alone can double the survival rate!). Seems common place today, but it was absurd for more of time. Sadly, now we have germophobes who are hurting themselves ad society because they are drawing magical phobias out of that realization as if dirt is dangerous. you can eat dirt (in small quantities) and you'll be fine (unless there's concentrated chemicals or arsenic or something for some rare reason). It really makes to great impact on an empirical level on daily lives except in the case of the critically ill (immune suppressed) and surgeries and only those two situations. When we learned about germs and switched to germ medicine, we were still allowing lead to be used in and around medical procedures (and daily living). less than forty years ago, liquid mercury bonded with chrome derivative was sold across counters as a popular topical anti-septic (mercurchrome). To this day, many houses with basements are ignorant of the threat of airborn toxic fumes released from the earth (we call it raydon, ground radiation, and so on, but this could easily be the miasmids having genuine grounding that were once popular but since the rise of germ theory are now laughed into obscurity.) All in all, people didn't do things willy nilly usually without a reason. They might have have the wrong reason or, more often, they simply were missing a key piece of evidence which changed the perspective of everything else. Happens to this day and will continue to happen likely forever. Don't ever be so arrogant to think that logical reasoning is in anyway new or that we're superior to what came before. All who came before we just as smart, or more so, than we today. (simply because they were so much more humble, depending on culture/age). Waaaay too much arrogance and narcissum in today's scientific/academic populist-driven communities, which was the celebrity-hubris that contributed to the end of the previous age of reasoning. BTW, that age of reasoning wasn't ground-breaking as much as it was a rennaissance in its own fashion, regurgitating the reasoning and logic of previous ages into a contemporary culture.
As an operating room nurse at a full "level one trauma" hospital in Dallas, watching this was fascinating. We do amputations all the time, for patients involved in motor vehicle collisions, occupations accidents, or from acts of just plain stupidity. Learning how the Spanish performed their amputations back in the day was amazing and educational! And your guest speaker was every knowledgeable about past and current surgeries and she was quite charming.
Thank You so much for showing this!!!
BUMC or Parkland?
@@dbow5077 I'm at BUMC, nights.
@@AlexanderSy
Ah, never been to a BUMC suite.
Picked up a guy from another hospital in the area that had been coded for literally 4 hours.
Pt was looking at me when I walked in: he was intubated.
After re-sedating him, noted the arterial line was bleeding. Asked how much heparin had been pushed.
Something like 1000mg (maybe more) over 4 hours.
When the RT at receiving transferred the circuit, blood instantaneously filled it all the way back to the vent.
Never did find out what his outcome was. That was the 3rd or 4th worst call that day.
@@dbow5077 yeah i know
Wow!!! I had no idea how “professional” they were!!! 75 percent survival rate?! That’s insane. Sounds better than some of the hospitals I’ve been too! 😂. My wife is a medical assistant and she was amazed at seeing this and the way they did things compared to other places around the world. Awesome episode.
That woman has got to be a nurse. She knew her stuff, and also didn't shy away from the stuff I CERTAINLY shied away from. This info is
amazing, thank you both so much!
She is not a nurse she is just awesome. I might be a bit biased since she is my mom lol
@@michellemain3324 Mom is truly Awesome! Be sure to take care of her for the rest of us!
in fact, she seemed to enjoy it. I had to fast forward
@@michellemain3324
Your mom is definitely awesome!
What a treasure 🙌
@@michellemain3324 You have the coolest mom
So remember timetravellers... If you need medical care on your visit to 18'th century America, *always* ask your doctor: *"¿Hablas español?"*
This lady is a great presenter. You can tell that she really refined this.
I`ve seen a lot of medical type programmes explaining tools and methods ,nothing touches the information in detail this clip does An amazing woman in it seems an amazing place. Thank you so much..
This and the herb lady are my favorite episodes ever! This lady is great. I never knew the Spanish were so advanced at that time.
The laundry goes with them.
@@kleineroteHex Yes definitely!!
I almost went into shock just hearing about it. LOL
Yes! Me too 😬. (Interesting tho)
I get quite squeamish about the blood and whatnot, so it was a bit gross to visualize. But it's always interesting to learn history, especially forgotten or glossed over understandings.
Most folks don't know that 2,500 years before Christ's Birth, Ur of the Chaldees had thee most advanced language the world has ever seen, and running indoor plumbing in all their homes. Mankind was never stupid. God didn't make us such. The problem with mankind, is that we let our foolish desires cloud our necessary judgement to do right. The very original meaning of the word: "Science" was: The knowledge given to man by God. Medical procedures are no exception, and if not for pagan and empirical religion (that was and is wholly non-Biblical) we'd have had many of our advances we do now, hundreds if not thousands of years ago.
Kim was an absolute delight! And the Spanish were amazingly advanced in medicine...I was enraptured from start to finish. I didn't even realize twenty minutes had passed!
I love how informative she is, she keeps your attention keeps it intresting. I never knew alot of this, just amazing how more advanced they were.
I saw Spanish Military Hospital and immediately thought, "Townsends in St. Augustine?!?" I've been to that museum/hospital on a couple occasions, very fascinating stuff.
Yeah I literally just had the exact same reaction! I've had so many field trips to this place, it's surreal seeing one of the people I view as a 'Celebrity' there lmao
I am a nurse and I really enjoy learning of old medical practices, I could not click fast enough!
Jeeze....stuff like this sure makes me grateful to live in these times, all contemporary problems aside.
I dare say there's room to argue that our contemporary issues are more of a disgusting ailment than much of the issues of those days. I for one, know that God has me here for a reason at this time and would not dare to question His timing. But I often wonder about the life of yesteryear.
I love John's demeanor with these showcase videos. If you notice with guest appearances he makes sure the episode is their own. Kim is a wonderful host and presenter to this historical site and he steps back to give her the floor. With some other hosts who you can tell are camera-shy he's sure to ask questions and feedback to help them keep on rolling. Little things like that are what make this channel one of the best of the best on UA-cam :)
So much fun! I’m a retired O.R. Nurse and loved this segment on medical practices in the 18th century!!!🥰
7:30 Haha, love how Jon's trying to keep it together here with the inhalation of Zen.
Haha yes! I think the reason I did not faint was that I could mentally connect with Jon in that moment!
I love historical re enactors. This stuff is fascinating.
She's truly a well of surgical knowledge!
I like the way she explains things. Fascinating. Thank you for another great video
I appreciate how he always plays along during these like he didn't already know most of it. :)
She's gooood! I'm cringing and fascinated at the same time.
Kim, what a MAGNIFICENT presentation!! I even learned a few things, and historical medicine is one of my niche interests! Granted I decided to watch this...while I was eating...and the glorious detail of it actually made my stomach swim a little! The Moors' contributions to medicine were so cool, so advanced, I never get tired of hearing about it. Thanks for going down to St. Augustine, y'all, this is a treasure!!
I've never wanted to go to a military hospital museum until now. Thanks!
He looks completely uncomfortable when she explains the amputation process
Indeed! I got quite a laugh out of that.
Kim was lovely and informative. She obviously loves what she does.
That docent was fantastic!
She’s so great. I enjoyed this greatly and learned so much.
I'm gaining so much from this video that I'll probably bring up to my friends who don't get my weird interests at all.
As a Spaniard studying medicine, I really appreciate this video of our glorious past
What a great exposition! Thanks Kim for sharing your immense knowledge! Thanks Jon for visiting Florida!
Great video, crew! The docent was very knowledgeable, clearly had a practiced delivery, and was very good on camera.
So awesome this knowledge has been preserved and is FREE🤯
Great work 🙏🏾👍🏾
All knowledge should be as free as it is in this video!
This is for sure one of the best episodes form the Show. She is so knowledgeable and helpful. Great to place to list on future vacations.
I was the kid growing up that loved all of the school videos, film strips, and field trips especially ones with re-enactments and I still Love them! I love this Channel! Thank you for all of the great knowledge!
This may be the most densely informative Townsends video ever. I love the rest of the videos, but I'm stunned by the content here. It's wonderful!
Wow! What an informative session. I was mesmerized. Thank you for telling us about the Spanish settlers in Florida.
That's my mom! You were fantastic!! Also...your job is a little creepy ;)
aww that’s awesome! she is wonderful!
Huzzah! Your mom's job sounds delightfully creepy, and she's so good at oration.
She was amazing!! And pretty funny too. That might have been unintentional though, as she was just so enthusiastic, and John looked kind of woozy a few times. 😂
This is wonderful information. I knew the Moors were realky advanced, so its cool to hear how they influenced the Spanish medical community. And Kim was awrsome.
I don't even have to finish the video (though I will!) to know this woman is one of if not the best presenters I've ever heard. Very nice!
Find yourself someone who will talk about you with as much joy and enthusiasm as she talks about historical amputation procedures.
Super cool episode.
as a medical professional, amazing work Townsend, bless you
This is one of my favorite museums ever and it makes me so happy that you’re sharing it on your channel ❤️❤️❤️
I appreciate that people people like her and the Townsends actually know their stuff, they didn’t learn it to just regurgitate it back at us.
Awesome video about hospitals in the 18th century. The Spanish were ahead of their time in caring for the sick and injured. Thank you for sharing this informative video.
6:22
Bonesaw is ready!!
Was great meeting you and thank you for highlighting the Spanish Military Hospital. There are so many smaller historic sites here in St. Augustine that do not get the attention that the ones in the Colonial Quarter receives.
Wow, that lady's good! Jon, I am so glad you seek out these kind of people who make history interesting as you do.
Speaking of fish bladders such as isinglass, they were also used as glue to make composite bows.
And there is a species of fish from the Amazon River whose bladder is still used for medical glue.
It is used in very delicate procedures that cannot be stitched or stapled, like eye surgery.
Isinglass was also used to preserve eggs.
Ah, how I lose composite bow technology.
Good lord she's such a savage I LOVE HER!
Wow. This Florida RN is so impressed. I had no idea this hospital is still in existence. I need to go back to St Augustine and see this in person.
The whole video was non stop learning. I loved it!
He looked so uncomfortable when she was describing the graphic surgeries! No judgement though, I shivered a bit myself!
This was the most informative,brutal and entertaining video i've seen on your channel and i'm a huge fan.
Love this video.The docent really knows her stuff.I am a retired med-pro who has studied historical medicine and surgery as a hobby for 40 years,and I learned alot from this video.👍
That was a good interview and you showed professionalism in your approach, she knew her material and you let her talk and did not interrupt her and grab back the time, that takes discipline, maturity and confidence and I thank you for that and enjoyed this educational, engaging and enjoyable video. Thank you for this and all you do. I think this is the best interview I have ever seen. You should submit it in so form of competition not for pats on the back but to teach others how to approach their trade craft. Sincerely, you did good and she just blossomed under your guidance and encouragement - you can see her confidence and joy grow as you take her deeper into her competency. thanks!
You'd think anesthetics would've been discovered centuries earlier when you consider the pain people knew would occur from such surgeries.
Romans knew of opium (and seems it was staple for the many pains of middle and elderly age... and probably to numb your emotions at the gladiator show as well) but Christians were very hostile to every drug other than alcohol. Muslims probably used it however.
Anyhow, one thing are drugs that dull the pain (often called "anaesthetics") and another one is anaesthesia as such, which nowadays gets you in a state of consciousness similar to being dead. I believe the first anaesthetic was clorophorm and it's also the only one I've suffered myself (for a minor operation as kid, possibly the worst day of my life: I felt so ill aftewards).
Kim mentioned the Spanish used laudanum laced with herbs. Laudanum is opium based.
@@LuisAldamiz They used laudanum(an opium based anesthetic). Full body anesthesia(the one where people pass out) is an delicate process, too much and the patients stops breathing. Even today some people opt for staying awake during surgeries because they fear it.
They had laudanum, which is straight up morphine. It's not as good as general anesthesia, but it's definitely much better than nothing.
This was so fascinating.
Awesome!!!
I'm a Barber (well was), when I went to school we learned about how way back in the begining Barbers where the dentist's and surgeons. I think it would be interesting to do a video on both this video and the "barbaric barbers" and what we can learn as self reliant people in this new day and age.
She could read the recipe for paste and I'd listen ,one of the best story tellers I've ever heard
Jon looked a big green around the gills during part of that arm/leg amputation explanation! (I would too!)
I was raised a hunter and gave it up because I hated butchering animals. I think everyone has those moments
I'm a writer working on a fantasy world and I was trying to justify making my medicine this advanced (for the time period, which is similar). I thought I'd have to be a lot more primitive. Turns out the Spanish and Moors were way ahead of me. 😃
I could listen to this lady all day!
Jon, we have been watching your videos from the beginning, this is one of the best you have done.
Really impressed with how advanced Spanish medicine was.
6:23 I don't know if she's a Macho Man/Sam Raimi fan, but she was *ready* for that delivery
I know it's what I instantly thought of.
That's my mom and yes she is a Macho Man fan :) We grew up watching wrestling lol
@@michellemain3324 your mom is cool
This sounds like it should be on the Mütter Museum channel. Stay disturbingly informed.
I love that channel. I want to visit the museum one day.
Autumnfalls89 the museum is creepy but very cool
I grew up in philly, went when I was very young. Some of my fondest memories are in that museum. Probably why I am so interested in historical medicine these days.
@ZoeKitten84 I was going to say that!
@@scumbaag That's awesome. Have you read Lindsey Fitzharris' book?
I am so glad we have modern medicine. This is utterly horrific. No wonder my great grandpa who was born in 1870 hated hospitals (according to my dad at least). A 35% survival rate is abysmal.
While we have had some amazing advancements... Malpractice deaths is still the 2nd/3rd leading cause of death in the U. S. FOR example, c sections have saved many lives, but they have also become so routine, they have taken many lives as well.
This one had a 75% survival rate 200 yeats prior to 1910 when our hospital survival rates were 35%
Spanish vs American medicine.
I mean, amputations are still the same basically. The trauma itself aint what can kill you, infection was the primary factor until the invetion of antibiotics in the 1900s.
oh my god she us awesome! She talks so well! As a professor, I am very envious!
Easily one of my favorite videos of yours. Absolutely fascinating! Thank you.
Amazing episode, thank you so much!
Excellent video! Thank you so much for posting this.
I'm loving this video. It's nice to see the Spanish represented so well, even mentioning the Moors' conquest and Reconquista.
I freaking LOVE this woman! She's awesome!
And I'm totally blown away by the advanced level of care provided by this hospital given the time! Better than some county hospitals in California, I guarantee you!
Edit: And major respect to John for doing this episode! He was very squeamish at several times but he pulled through like a champ 😁
Wow!!!!! This is amazing! I’m literally shocked. I would love to check this place out. I wish I was on the east coast.
this was an AMAZING presentation, thank you so much!
One of your most interesting episodes to date. That woman is a brilliant presenter.
This may be the best guide ive ever seen at a historical site
She is a great Docent!
She’s awesome.
This is an incredible video. Thank you for sharing
Brilliant job, Kim! 👍💪
That cheerful explanation...sounds more like a scary story to me. That's one reason why I refused to study medical and go into engineering. I'm very squeamish.
I imagine that it’s just like learning to drive a car. It’s terrifying and confusing at first, and then once you learn it, you don’t even think about it. Almost all physicians, surgeons and nurses get used to it when they’re still in school.
Thank you for making these videos !!!
Oh my Word!!! This is my absolute most-favorite episode y’all have ever made! I loved the details and explanations! Thank y’all so much!👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👍🏼
When you think of miasma they didn't get it completely incorrect. One can say that the cloud of pathogenic particles from an infected person is a miasma. Sugar bandages and honey bandages were also used on infections - but I don't know the time frame.
They unfortunately applied the idea of miasma to malarial diseases from mosquitoes.
They had a lot of the right pieces of germ theory, just not in the right order or for the right reasons.
@@Intranetusa It wasn't just to mosquitos and malaria. Miasma was the general term for easily transmissible or common illnesses. Look into John Snow. The history of what he did in England to end a cholera outbreak is quite interesting.
@@m2hmghb Yes, I know it wasn't applied only to mosquitoes. I was saying the concept of miasma was unfortunately applied to completely non-applicable diseases such as malaria.
@@Intranetusa Valid point. Although having seen some massive swarms of mosquitos I would still call them a miasma ;)
Wow, she was a lot of fun to listen to. What great information!
What a wonderful docent! So informative and delightful to listen to. Thank you for sharing your visit with them.
This is one of the most entertaining and informative videos I have seen on youtube. Great job and hope to see more of this!