3800 Series 2 beyond Ignition Module issue

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  • Опубліковано 10 жов 2024
  • Cylinder 4 misfire issue. - NOT ignition control module
    TRIED:
    swapping a working coil - issue persist
    Replaced ignition module - issue persist
    Test old and new modules - tested good

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  • @hankbridges5055
    @hankbridges5055 5 років тому +13

    If the first coil at the front don't fire on both, switch coils and retest. If it now fires, it's the module. Retest the coils after replacing the module. Maybe replace the coil because it may have damaged the module. Use silicone grease on the module. Get plenty of grease.

    • @MacAutoDiag
      @MacAutoDiag 9 місяців тому

      What the heck are you talking about

  • @tonymartin
    @tonymartin 5 років тому +5

    Thank you for demonstrating this simple, easy test.

  • @justineubank6497
    @justineubank6497 3 місяці тому +1

    Just saw this and not sure if you still have the car but a common fail point on these is the actual harness itself that runs from the ICM to the Cam and Crank sensors. When they do fail it's usually at or in the connector itself that goes to the ICM. Doorman makes a good one Dorman 645-688 Cam, Crank And Ignition Harness Compatible with Select Models. Original problem: eating ICM's. Looked at the ICM connector and had a pin that wouldn't lock, I could pull the wire in and out easily. Common failure on these now “older” cars and engine is a failing ignition control module harness at the front of the ignition control module / coil packs.
    If you try the “wiggle test” and notice issues on your engine this may, or may not, solve it.
    For me it was the cure.
    Yes, you could go buy this from a junkyard however, it would be a pain one to pull this from a junkyard as the wires are nestled in some tight corners.
    Also, in the process of pulling the harness you may just break the part you need or some other wires... so weigh those options when considering if you want to pull a suspect part from the junkyard.
    I weighed the options and decided I wanted a known good harness.

    • @jeremy49988
      @jeremy49988 3 місяці тому

      Good to know. Mine "looks" pristine, and I can duplicate the issue by tapping very lightly on the module from either below or above, idle quality becomes poor & stalls, so I think my ICM is definitely bad....but I'll inspect the connector very carefully, maybe just price a new harness.

    • @roberxl
      @roberxl 13 днів тому +1

      This info helps me a lot, I need a new harness for the ignition module, was thinking in getting one from three jy. But a new one would be much better. Thanks

  • @terryclark7505
    @terryclark7505 7 місяців тому

    You're a genius! I appreciate little tricks like that.

  • @xIIsTReeTIIx
    @xIIsTReeTIIx 2 роки тому +3

    I re-did the cylinders and the control module and it still has a rough shaking idle. The Buick dealership saying it COULD be the rear case valve! The said it could be build up… the dealership is killing me 😭😂

    • @johnsnyder9033
      @johnsnyder9033 Рік тому

      You could have a bad spark plug. Pull the indicated plug and see if it has burn mark or visible crack in porcelain. The plug boots will hide the shorting spark. I usually go to junk yard and get another control module with coils ($35-45 for all) as control module alone is $120+.

  • @miomine3527
    @miomine3527 5 років тому +3

    I have the same problem, first it was on coil 1,4...i bought a new ignition control module and now it jumped to coil 2,5... I did the switch test On the coils.. The Coils were good.. The thing I seen on my obd scanner was that when the misfire occurred, my spark advance went down to 12 degrees at a speed of 39 mph.. So that was kinda weird since at idle my advance was 20...and when driving it went up to 30...but as soon as the misfire occurred it dropped to 12... I've tried everything... The only thing I'm thinking it could be is a failing crankshaft sensor that can't keep up with the engine.. Because in my pontiac grand prix.. I'm 100% sure it's a ignition system problem... Because it's giving a weak spark.. Just can't put my finger on it...

  • @mparsons275
    @mparsons275 7 років тому +5

    I suggest getting a used one to see first before buying new, 50 bucks used, 136 new!

    • @timjohnson6864
      @timjohnson6864 6 років тому

      Y I always swapped around when I tested to know if it was the ice n if thts bad you also change the cups because when either goes the other will take the other with it shortly after

  • @mparsons275
    @mparsons275 7 років тому +1

    Fixed mine, changed Electronic Spark Control under coil pack!

    • @KJackskii
      @KJackskii 6 років тому

      M Parsons are you talking about the ignition co trol module underneath? Having the same issue on 3 and 6 (top coil)

    • @CurlyQLink
      @CurlyQLink 5 років тому +2

      "Ignition Control Module"

    • @godmusicandspirit
      @godmusicandspirit 4 роки тому

      @@KJackskii hey did you ever find out what was the issue I have the same problem on mine 3/6 don't have any spark coming out of them and I'm thinking it's just the spark plugs

    • @KJackskii
      @KJackskii 4 роки тому +2

      @@godmusicandspirit that's what it was brotha. It's the ignition control module. I paid 16 bucks for it off a grand prix at a junkyard and it ran great ever since

    • @t-pitz8866
      @t-pitz8866 Рік тому +1

      ​@@KJackskii did u apply thermopaste ?

  • @XtremeSportX247
    @XtremeSportX247 7 років тому +4

    I had a misfire in number 6 and change the coil the next day the whole car went dead. I wonder should I change a whole ignition control module....

  • @Geeh_mon
    @Geeh_mon 5 місяців тому +1

    Mine is having the same problem 🤦🏻‍♀️ only on the 1st and can’t figure out why 🤦🏻‍♀️ any idea ?

  • @davidunander6806
    @davidunander6806 7 років тому

    very good information, thank you

  • @BakariHernandez
    @BakariHernandez 9 років тому +3

    Did you ever figure out the problem on that coil?

  • @fatheadfathead2708
    @fatheadfathead2708 8 років тому

    I changed my wires and plugs before my P305 misfire. i bought a new and installed it but it still misfired. i did this trick with new coil, no spark. i replaced old one and did this trick, it sparked once, i tapped the top of it coil then it sparked constantly. now no more P305 CEL. i measured the secondary posts, but my meter was not working and i lost my Fluke, well it got stolen from me.

  • @zarrtann
    @zarrtann 8 років тому +3

    So, what did you replace to fix the issue? Having same issue.

    • @Monkeyshuffle1
      @Monkeyshuffle1 7 років тому +1

      Kenneth Wiggins did you figure it out?

  • @adventureoflinkmk2
    @adventureoflinkmk2 9 місяців тому

    I got a crank no start... I got fuel to the rail (not only do I hear the pump go off but I can press the Schrader valve and get a squirt of fuel)... but I wanna make sure I got spark. Can I use this to test spark or no

    • @Izhart_
      @Izhart_ 8 місяців тому +1

      Did you solve your problem? Having same thing

    • @adventureoflinkmk2
      @adventureoflinkmk2 8 місяців тому

      @@Izhart_ Hell no, I thought it was the ignition control module... replaced it since it was easy to do so and the old one was yucky anyway... aaaaaaand nothing
      So right now it's sitting on a jack stand till it gets warmer out and I can get a proper socket to remove the crank pulley

    • @adventureoflinkmk2
      @adventureoflinkmk2 8 місяців тому

      @@Izhart_ oh BTW indeed I didn't have spark, just so ya know

  • @jody1.k967
    @jody1.k967 5 років тому +1

    My car doing the same thing what should I do I think it’s the coil pack not sure

    • @ecizzle6359
      @ecizzle6359 4 роки тому +1

      Ignition control module trust me same issue

  • @theaussie7160
    @theaussie7160 Рік тому +4

    problem is your motor facing the wrong way

  • @robertandamiari6503
    @robertandamiari6503 7 років тому +1

    What will cause a 91 Buick. To miss fire

    • @hankbridges5055
      @hankbridges5055 5 років тому +3

      Get a timing light and check plug wires. If two on a coil don't fire, switch coils and retest. If it fires, replace the module. Use silicone grease on the module. Get plenty.

  • @rizzlelizzle89
    @rizzlelizzle89 2 роки тому

    i have a 3800 it keeps burning modules.. NOBODY can get to the root of it. I've gone through about 6 of them. THey just keep putting a new module on. then it stalls again..

    • @johnsnyder9033
      @johnsnyder9033 Рік тому

      Put dielectric grease on bottom of module when changing. Also check under the module plate and see if ground wire is attached to bolt that is attached to engine.

    • @coleman6131
      @coleman6131 10 місяців тому +1

      @@johnsnyder9033 Wrong. You use thermal paste, not dielectric grease.

    • @thethinkerer
      @thethinkerer 7 місяців тому

      @@coleman6131 Yes! important.

    • @mydogzty
      @mydogzty 6 місяців тому

      @@johnsnyder9033 what!? theres a ground wire to reattach?

    • @generalzod9763
      @generalzod9763 4 місяці тому

      Its probably the cam/crank/ICM wire harness. Take the harness out and peek inside all the conduit. Mine was shorting together from wire insulation that dried up and fell off.

  • @freethevibez
    @freethevibez 5 років тому

    ????? So what was wrong?

  • @No-vm7go
    @No-vm7go 4 роки тому +5

    Title of video should be 'How to NOT fix a misfire issue'. "I tried several different things, none of which worked." Gee, thanks for all your time wasting 'help'.

    • @otherrider6896
      @otherrider6896 Рік тому

      The title should've been your first clue of deferment if a repair was what you were looking for 😏

  • @NinjaSushi2
    @NinjaSushi2 8 років тому

    So was it a bad ICM or coil pack?

  • @TheRedBullXJ
    @TheRedBullXJ  10 років тому

    Also used a voltimeter to test coil

    • @Monkeyshuffle1
      @Monkeyshuffle1 7 років тому

      TheRedBullXJ did you figure it out? having same issue with a #5

    • @gomerpyle1886
      @gomerpyle1886 5 років тому

      Hello I am having the same problem The very front coil no spark at one terminal changed it with another coil I have and no spark again at one terminal same as yours what was the problem? Much appreciated thanks Rich

  • @girnucci
    @girnucci 9 років тому +1

    I changed the coil, and it still dosnt spark. Now what? The module?

    • @girnucci
      @girnucci 9 років тому +1

      That's exactly what I did...Heh heh, yup...20 bucks. Worked like a charm!

    • @stinkycheese804
      @stinkycheese804 8 років тому +3

      +EclipseStrife You can't go by that. P0300 could easily mean other things instead like fuel pump failure, clogged fuel filter, broken fuel pressure regulator, vacuum leak to pressure regulator, or intake manifold gasket(s) leak, among other things but the other things usually throw up other scan codes too or instead.

    • @Star_roker
      @Star_roker 7 років тому

      did or does it work