Interesting. This is all still in the experimental stage, of course. Also, people often forget that humans will still be needed in the process to: monitor them, maintain them, repair them, transport them, and control them overall. Once people figure out how to utilize these machines to the best advantage, the work of humans will change to higher cognitive and more productive levels.
Not to be negative but I don't see how this could ever be profitable, your strapping a $50 skimming blade onto a $200,000 machine, you need a human eye to find critical lighting defects and to evaluate the wall as a whole, eg. Will it detect popped screws/nails and know to repair and patch them with hot mud?, will it know when a joins moving because of bad framing?, can it taper off butt joins in a way where the light won't catch them, does it know when the muds guna shrink a little bit more because of nearby heat sources, can it even tape or is it just a skimming machine? So many variables that a half experienced plasterer has already thought of before he even opens the bucket yet alone starts packing and filling the hangers shoddy work
Thank you for this! When I watch this technology I honestly think it’s something that will be a building block or spring board for 1000s of years later. First thing I thought of was beveling back the butt joints. This would never make a company money either. 2 guys who are good can hang 100-150 sheets a day Buying 10k worth of automatic taping tools and paying your trade guys 28-30 an hour. You could hang and finish 300 sheets in 7 days. If anyone knows anything about square footage or by the sheet pricing any sub or contractor would see no reason for this as it would take several years to yield the same amount of money on open spaces. And not to mention the insurance that would come on an automated robot on a construction site 😳 Until the rest of the world catches up this is simply just research.
@@searchfluoridemakesyoustup5883 and then? You have 100000 robots that cant do shit compared to a human. First develop it so it can accrually compete with a human. And then produce it
@@mikec6483 i own a plastering company myself and im verry much not scared of any of these things. They will take over the easy repetative work but anything like facades and real plasterwork wont be done by tese things
The robot application engineer part of me love it. The project control part of me, on the other hand ask how does it compete with a plasterer. What is the ROI? Show me the numbers.
@@guygerman4953 What this 3x 10x means? Are you trying to tell me that work hour of your solution is 3 to 10 times cheaper than a human plasterer? How long is a setup time and programming of the path. Does it improve wall imperfections?
@@mil3k it is x times faster. Yes it will fix wall imperfections in unparalleled quality to a human work and path planning does not consume time. Setup is pretty simple. It is not released yet but when it will - it will disrupt this market altogether.
The price of one discontinued manipulator, similar to yours, on online trading platforms ranges from 25 to 50 thousand, depending on the degree of its wear and configuration. Seller warranty is a big question. At the same time, it comes with a controller that needs to be changed or programmed for tools that are sometimes missing. It happens that the programmer does not own the programming environment in which the controller is located, the service is not discussed at all and so on. Now, if the manipulator painted cars or airplanes, then all questions will disappear. It is believed that in areas where the use of robotics is still not cost-effective, it makes sense to switch to lighter service platforms with algorithms of another class. @@guygerman4953
Just would not be profitable to many variables. You still need someone to program ,operate, maintain and clean the machine. Parts are not readily available so if machine goes down your screwed. A 50,000job turns into a 100,000 job. We’re not there yet with technology and we need to work on the power grid before making anymore strides with anything else.
Innovation is cool. In this case a real challenge. Many people have been dreaming about ways to make this work easier or automated. But not much has changed over many years. I see a few challenges. 0:55 that is alot of leftover for a machine which is supposed to 3D know exactly how much mm it should put on the wall in the first place... 1:07 the machine is not even stable on the floor. You can see it trembling. How can it have a 100% steady hand if it's shaking... If it was possible or profitable to do this, why doesn't it exist already? There are already many aiding materials invented but skilled plasterers don't even use those... Why? Because if they are skilled they can do everything just as fast by hand. Plastering tools need constant cleaning. If you don't clean it all the time it will dry and jam. Then it's a pain to get it off. I'd say start with building a robotic cleaning station and develop the rest after that. Plastering is difficult for robots because the plaster does not move 100% predictable and will need constant adjustments. For that you need an experienced human eye. I can see however that a robot could be a great aid to a plasterer. If the robot puts the plaster on the wall, the plasterer can focus his attention on the finishing part. It will also save him his back and neck. However, here in the Netherlands this complete industry is already taken over by robots, well, half robots. They are from Poland and even drive here autonomously ;) Some other thoughts. In the construction industry they might start to use robots in factories. Do more prefab. The prefab buildings will have straight walls right out of the factory, so no plastering needed. Maybe in the future you can choose the carpets, wall color and upload pictures you want in frames hanging above the toilet and they build it in a factory and put in right where you want it. Renting out expensive machines can cost you dearly. _SOME_ (don't feel attacket y'all;)) construction workers don't even give a shit about their own equipment, let alone some rented machine.
for your 1:07 point, I think that's known as "jerk", basically when accelerations get to very high levels when the arm is coming to a stop. Likely due to decisions made with their control systems. Notice it happens when it comes to a stop, and more so in certain axis than others
Today, the level of development of manipulators allows them to move to almost any area, but this does not mean that it will be profitable. The presence of machine learning function increases the cost of robotics tenfold. How long does it take to program the manipulators to process a room with complex XYZ geometry? What is the degree of errors of manipulators during their long work with a high content of dust, moisture and paint in the air? How does this affect the sensitivity of the sensors? In the video, we observe the work of the KUKA manipulators, these are very expensive manipulators, and their maintenance is justified in large industrial enterprises with mass production. What are your costs if they are used in construction? What is your innovation?
Hi Alexander, The presence of machine learning does not effect the cost of robotics - it is software based. It might effect ROI a little bit but if a product that is replacing human labor is profitable and deployed in large scales it is negligible. We do not need to "program the manipulator" any time it is entering a new room - it scans the room in a few minutes and calculate path planning in seconds, autonomously. the manipulator and sensors we use are ip67. The production platform will be too - so there is no effect of wet materials nor dust on robot operation. We offer the robot as a service - its cost is much cheaper than human labor, over time, and it is safer and more reliable. Our innovation is in building the system, developing the closed loop algorithms that perform the additive manufacturing operation, the accurate 3d scanning with relevantly cheap cameras and sensors, the implementation of autonomous robotics framework and algorithms in this system, the motion control algorithms and much more. Thank you for showing an interest in our product.
@@OKIBO1 Not everything is so simple, if you are interested, I would continue this discussion. In any case, I wish you success and demonstration not a partial, but a complete robotic cycle. I subscribed to your channel.
@@OKIBO1 will you be selling these in the future or are you planning on basically be a "drywall" sub for finishing. Is there a hangar option or robot also. Very interested to learn more
This is all still experimental. It's going to take some time to figure out how best to use them, program them, monitor them. Whole industries will spring up with lots of employment to program, manage, monitor, transport, and maintain these types of machines, to say nothing of new ways to use them.
Love see it install tape hang beed feel hump in wall Build out one side off butt joint run boxes mix ??? Should i keep going and what price to run it ? If it battery it start dying second you runn it peace shit it wath it is
I think they should concentrate their effort in creating something more useful and not thinking of how to replace human workers. I really don't understand the usefulness of these robots. I thumbed down with great pleasure. Total crap.
Plastering is becoming a dying trade. Only way this would be profitable is if you were doing 50 walls a day, that weren’t stair case walls...... nothing better than a classic hawk and trowel
Give it 5 or 10 years and all us drywall finishers will be out of a job , then what ,seen the wall board hanging robot , soon no drywall workers needed same with truck drivers pilot's cashiers al ready being replaced thay already said thay doant realy need pilot's, computers can land and take off , and 3 d printed houses already being built , i saw habitat for humanity built there first 3d house in USA , soon only corporation will be the only ones making money and all us workers will be shit out of luck if you doant think this is happening better think again ....it will probly happen sooner than you think , maby this universal guaranteed income might be a good thing , kinda like what Alaska is doing
Lol, the most advanced a.i super computer in the world is ¹/10000 the power of an ant brain..... im not impressed ! Come back in 100 years and i still won't be impressed....lol Man will never top gods creation....he will only fuck it up.......for a bit.
Interesting. This is all still in the experimental stage, of course. Also, people often forget that humans will still be needed in the process to: monitor them, maintain them, repair them, transport them, and control them overall. Once people figure out how to utilize these machines to the best advantage, the work of humans will change to higher cognitive and more productive levels.
"Hey Robot, go get that little spot you missed over there" and make sure you tap in that nail we missed. 6 hours later lol.
How clean does the floor have to be and are any other trades allowed in the room at the same time or even walk through it?
Yeah but can it play loud Mexican music, play pranks and make the workday go by super chill and fun? I think not
Love to see this do an attic conversion or hall landing and stairs 😂 😂 😂 😂
Not to be negative but I don't see how this could ever be profitable, your strapping a $50 skimming blade onto a $200,000 machine, you need a human eye to find critical lighting defects and to evaluate the wall as a whole, eg. Will it detect popped screws/nails and know to repair and patch them with hot mud?, will it know when a joins moving because of bad framing?, can it taper off butt joins in a way where the light won't catch them, does it know when the muds guna shrink a little bit more because of nearby heat sources, can it even tape or is it just a skimming machine? So many variables that a half experienced plasterer has already thought of before he even opens the bucket yet alone starts packing and filling the hangers shoddy work
Thank you for this! When I watch this technology I honestly think it’s something that will be a building block or spring board for 1000s of years later.
First thing I thought of was beveling back the butt joints.
This would never make a company money either. 2 guys who are good can hang 100-150 sheets a day Buying 10k worth of automatic taping tools and paying your trade guys 28-30 an hour. You could hang and finish 300 sheets in 7 days. If anyone knows anything about square footage or by the sheet pricing any sub or contractor would see no reason for this as it would take several years to yield the same amount of money on open spaces.
And not to mention the insurance that would come on an automated robot on a construction site 😳 Until the rest of the world catches up this is simply just research.
у меня эстетический кайф ) как у человека которые делает эту работу руками ) мы в будущем )
Когда, этот робот отнимет у тебя работу, вот тогда по настоящему покайфуешь))
@@user-tf3ng7ou2t разумеется ) от того что технологии достигли ещё одной высоты )
I had this exact idea about 3 years ago. Even told my wife about it. She thought I was nuts.
Show her this. She'll say Okibo is nuts too :p
@@searchfluoridemakesyoustup5883 and then? You have 100000 robots that cant do shit compared to a human. First develop it so it can accrually compete with a human. And then produce it
@@mikevlek or dont and let us keep our jobs
@@mikec6483 i own a plastering company myself and im verry much not scared of any of these things. They will take over the easy repetative work but anything like facades and real plasterwork wont be done by tese things
Price?
Perfect im putting it in every stair well so glad wont have to do stair well
How to make for buy these
The robot application engineer part of me love it. The project control part of me, on the other hand ask how does it compete with a plasterer. What is the ROI? Show me the numbers.
3x - 10x (depands on project) / we do not sell it but offer it as a service.
@@guygerman4953 What this 3x 10x means? Are you trying to tell me that work hour of your solution is 3 to 10 times cheaper than a human plasterer? How long is a setup time and programming of the path. Does it improve wall imperfections?
@@mil3k it is x times faster. Yes it will fix wall imperfections in unparalleled quality to a human work and path planning does not consume time. Setup is pretty simple. It is not released yet but when it will - it will disrupt this market altogether.
The price of one discontinued manipulator, similar to yours, on online trading platforms ranges from 25 to 50 thousand, depending on the degree of its wear and configuration. Seller warranty is a big question. At the same time, it comes with a controller that needs to be changed or programmed for tools that are sometimes missing. It happens that the programmer does not own the programming environment in which the controller is located, the service is not discussed at all and so on.
Now, if the manipulator painted cars or airplanes, then all questions will disappear.
It is believed that in areas where the use of robotics is still not cost-effective, it makes sense to switch to lighter service platforms with algorithms of another class. @@guygerman4953
How much time it takes to complete plastering of a wall(1000m2)?
16 hours
ya think to much
How to buy your products
Just would not be profitable to many variables. You still need someone to program ,operate, maintain and clean the machine. Parts are not readily available so if machine goes down your screwed. A 50,000job turns into a 100,000 job. We’re not there yet with technology and we need to work on the power grid before making anymore strides with anything else.
Innovation is cool. In this case a real challenge. Many people have been dreaming about ways to make this work easier or automated. But not much has changed over many years.
I see a few challenges.
0:55 that is alot of leftover for a machine which is supposed to 3D know exactly how much mm it should put on the wall in the first place...
1:07 the machine is not even stable on the floor. You can see it trembling. How can it have a 100% steady hand if it's shaking...
If it was possible or profitable to do this, why doesn't it exist already? There are already many aiding materials invented but skilled plasterers don't even use those... Why? Because if they are skilled they can do everything just as fast by hand.
Plastering tools need constant cleaning. If you don't clean it all the time it will dry and jam. Then it's a pain to get it off. I'd say start with building a robotic cleaning station and develop the rest after that.
Plastering is difficult for robots because the plaster does not move 100% predictable and will need constant adjustments. For that you need an experienced human eye.
I can see however that a robot could be a great aid to a plasterer. If the robot puts the plaster on the wall, the plasterer can focus his attention on the finishing part. It will also save him his back and neck.
However, here in the Netherlands this complete industry is already taken over by robots, well, half robots. They are from Poland and even drive here autonomously ;)
Some other thoughts.
In the construction industry they might start to use robots in factories. Do more prefab. The prefab buildings will have straight walls right out of the factory, so no plastering needed. Maybe in the future you can choose the carpets, wall color and upload pictures you want in frames hanging above the toilet and they build it in a factory and put in right where you want it.
Renting out expensive machines can cost you dearly. _SOME_ (don't feel attacket y'all;)) construction workers don't even give a shit about their own equipment, let alone some rented machine.
for your 1:07 point, I think that's known as "jerk", basically when accelerations get to very high levels when the arm is coming to a stop. Likely due to decisions made with their control systems. Notice it happens when it comes to a stop, and more so in certain axis than others
No need to worry about this machine for many reasons. Unless all buildings are wide open and on one floor.
People also said cars would never replace horses
Lol Juan down the road will do a whole house in a day for like $1000 bucks
We lack to buy mashin?
Millions of $$ spent on this robot. Then it met the nail that cost 3 cents that wasn't sunk in all the way....
..yeah until a large stairwell wall needs doing..🙄
So what? The rest can no done by this robot. Much more efficient
All robots have limitations. As long you get that you’ll be happy with it
@@WETDOGBR sadly this is no where near efficient yet.
Today, the level of development of manipulators allows them to move to almost any area, but this does not mean that it will be profitable. The presence of machine learning function increases the cost of robotics tenfold.
How long does it take to program the manipulators to process a room with complex XYZ geometry?
What is the degree of errors of manipulators during their long work with a high content of dust, moisture and paint in the air? How does this affect the sensitivity of the sensors?
In the video, we observe the work of the KUKA manipulators, these are very expensive manipulators, and their maintenance is justified in large industrial enterprises with mass production. What are your costs if they are used in construction? What is your innovation?
Hi Alexander,
The presence of machine learning does not effect the cost of robotics - it is software based. It might effect ROI a little bit but if a product that is replacing human labor is profitable and deployed in large scales it is negligible.
We do not need to "program the manipulator" any time it is entering a new room - it scans the room in a few minutes and calculate path planning in seconds, autonomously. the manipulator and sensors we use are ip67. The production platform will be too - so there is no effect of wet materials nor dust on robot operation.
We offer the robot as a service - its cost is much cheaper than human labor, over time, and it is safer and more reliable.
Our innovation is in building the system, developing the closed loop algorithms that perform the additive manufacturing operation, the accurate 3d scanning with relevantly cheap cameras and sensors, the implementation of autonomous robotics framework and algorithms in this system, the motion control algorithms and much more.
Thank you for showing an interest in our product.
@@OKIBO1 Not everything is so simple, if you are interested, I would continue this discussion. In any case, I wish you success and demonstration not a partial, but a complete robotic cycle. I subscribed to your channel.
@@OKIBO1 will you be selling these in the future or are you planning on basically be a "drywall" sub for finishing. Is there a hangar option or robot also. Very interested to learn more
This is all still experimental. It's going to take some time to figure out how best to use them, program them, monitor them. Whole industries will spring up with lots of employment to program, manage, monitor, transport, and maintain these types of machines, to say nothing of new ways to use them.
Love see it install tape hang beed feel hump in wall
Build out one side off butt joint run boxes mix ??? Should i keep going and what price to run it ? If it battery it start dying second you runn it peace shit it wath it is
no piss bottles no mud in my electrical boxes no half eaten lunch with flies swarming it scattered around the job this is a excellent replacement
Can't think of a more complex task. The answer isn't the robot it's the wall panel. Invent a seamless vertical system.
Just leave a screw sticking out of the wall. See it malfunction
Not bad but nothing like the craft of a tradesman 😥
I think they should concentrate their effort in creating something more useful and not thinking of how to replace human workers. I really don't understand the usefulness of these robots. I thumbed down with great pleasure. Total crap.
I take okibo wall smooth rendering plastering robot.
This will never replace me and other plasterer. I see this on a job, and it will never work again.
Plastering is becoming a dying trade. Only way this would be profitable is if you were doing 50 walls a day, that weren’t stair case walls...... nothing better than a classic hawk and trowel
Write a 50k check I'll give you guys all the tricks to mud and level 5 coatings. Plus I will let you guys were to market you're Robot.
Check is in on its way. We just need you to pay for the transfer fee $1K to our bank account :)
Ok make 49 take out the 50. See theres alots of companies out there they don't want to pay.
Looks like you will be out of biz in 10-13 years.
Give it 5 or 10 years and all us drywall finishers will be out of a job , then what ,seen the wall board hanging robot , soon no drywall workers needed same with truck drivers pilot's cashiers al ready being replaced thay already said thay doant realy need pilot's, computers can land and take off , and 3 d printed houses already being built , i saw habitat for humanity built there first 3d house in USA , soon only corporation will be the only ones making money and all us workers will be shit out of luck if you doant think this is happening better think again ....it will probly happen sooner than you think , maby this universal guaranteed income might be a good thing , kinda like what Alaska is doing
Op
I want my minute and a half back...
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Robots to take over the world
This can't be usefull
No, no and again no!!!
Sucks
Lol, the most advanced a.i super computer in the world is ¹/10000 the power of an ant brain..... im not impressed ! Come back in 100 years and i still won't be impressed....lol
Man will never top gods creation....he will only fuck it up.......for a bit.