Michael Moore, filmmakers respond to criticism of new bombshell environmental film
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Academy award-winning filmmaker Michael Moore and associates discuss their new documentary, 'Planet of the Humans,' a documentary that says we are selling out the green movement to wealthy interests and corporate America.
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Wouldn't it be cool if "growth" meant planting trees?
That is too obvious and doesn’t make any wealthy people wealthier. But yes want to create oxygen and reduce carbon plant more trees
Growth means cutting down more trees in our consumption world.
The timber industry has been planting more trees than they cut for 50 years. CO2 is oxygen to trees. Good forest management includes the thinning and cutting of trees and clearing of brush to prevent fires. Forest and brush fires are way more harmful to the environment than forest cutting and management could ever be
CO2 is plant food. CO2 is planet food. As CO2 rises, the earth becomes more green. CO2 does *NOT* cause warming. --- *!!!!! THEY LIE !!!!!*
@@harryripley7699 You're right, but the point here was that we produce more goods than good.
Excellent film. Highly recommended.
The more you get to know the less you find that you understand ~~~
Why didn't one of you ask about the future including nuclear energy?
Fusion reactors DO have a possible solution..but they've been saying we're 20 years away since at least the late 50s. Fission reactors are not a solution. Plus we already have a massive source of energy from a fusion reactor..which beams energy in the form of electromagnetic energy..but a viable source isn't the major problem. Excess consumption is. We could have built housing that required a LOT less energy a half century ago..we just choose not to do so.
Because nuclear is the solution and they need a problem
I've been frustrated watching these debunk videos for the level of cherry picking in them. Dear lord. There are so many people thinking they're debunking this while they sit in front of laptops not seeing anything on the ground.
The video is about everything around "renewable energy" and they have a field day comparing costs of renewable energy vs fossil fuels, they speak on what is more efficient and yet the video is about how that energy is created not how clean it is.
If you're using an electric car the emissions sound better than fossil driven car till you analyze the cost to creating the materials you need to manufacture the car, the cost of raw materials for the batteries and the cost of energy production that isn't green but used to promote the green agenda.
Solar panels are useless if producing them goes means totally going crazy trying to manufacture them.
Why has there not been a concerted effort to work on 'cold fusion" to get it stable enough for wholesale use. This type of energy does not pollute, a little of it goes a long way, and it is based on two plentiful sources, hydrogen and zinc. From the few reports I could find regarding this source of energy, there were so many positives, one report even stated that it could power automobiles, airplanes etc apart from household and industry consumption. For those who are unaware of what cold fusion is. It like like nuclear energy, except there is no radioactive discharge to worry about. I still believe the biggest problem facing the earth is the pollution of the oceans and we need to seriously start fixing this.
Great film, too bad corporate and personal greed will ensure nothing happens. Welcome to our slow moving extinction event.
MUSE had a song, "Unsustainable", that addressed this years ago.
Well a lot of us knew this we don't need Muse or Michael Moore. Too many ppl are just stupid and greedy. They refuse to listen. I guess that's where Muse and Michael Moore help...maybe...
@@Crambo90ify Warning of over population was a mantra back in the 70's. Earth Day was newly established. Then corporate capitalism appeared on the scene. Wall Street, The American Stock Exchange, and GREED took us to where we are now. Watch "Planet of the Humans" and then watch the 70's movie, "Soylent Green" YuoTube to see what we were saying back then.
@@kytediane6964 There was Paul Ehrlich "The Population Bomb". But then his numbers didn't add up and worldwide famine didn't occur. Also, his suggestions for population control were horrendous.
In the words of Carlin, "The planet is fine. The people are f*cked."
I love Bill Hick & George Carlin
Truther words were never spoken;)
It's a nice quote, but it's the animals going extinct. If humans go extinct, they'll be one of the last "megafauna" before Earth becomes planet of the cockroaches.
That's what I was thinking too.
Nietzsche as a profile pic, quoting Carlin, you're truly an edgy wannabe
Wow. A news show that let's their guests finish a thought instead of interrupting them every 15 seconds
That is refreshing but it’s hardly journalism without any other experts to give counter arguments.
@@GhostSal counter arguments would be a debate. News is reporting on something.
@@thomasautery5057 Journalism is showing both sides of an argument and asking tough questions. This isn’t journalism, it’s commentary disguised as journalism (like most of our “news” today).
@@GhostSal ok
It was also nice of them to imply that everything Moore said was true 16:21 and then gave him a chance to plug his movie to help keep the profits rolling in.
(edit: Just so there's no doubt, I'm being 100% sarcastic. What these hacks did should red flag Their complete disregard for the journalistic profession.)
I have learned in my old age I don’t need very much to be happy
this pandemic this should teach us a lot where we have failed when it comes to battling ...the climate emergency'
M. Moore
what nonsense !!!
1. covid-19 virus was made in a bio-weapon lab (US subsidized gain of function - traitor fauchi)
2. was released as a bioweapon
3. made into a 'global crisis' by the davos globalist eugenicists (no were near to a pandemic .....prohibiting doctors to remediate the impact of the lab concocted virus with known medication. in order to get emergency approval for and promote harmful DNA-altering test vaccines to hurt the people physically/financially/emotionally.... and put their depopulation agenda into practice !!
I think one of the simplest things everyone can start to do, is to REPAIR clothes, devices, washing machines, etc. We are constantly being marketed into buying new stuff , even if the old stuff still works just fine.If we could re-design our economic system to 90% repair, that would be a milestone in sustainability
I started converting gas cars in the 90s to Electric and at the time there was a movement to push the recycling of gas cars by converting them to Electric which is still happening today but not as much. There is a market now for batteries from Nissan Leaf and Tesla cars 4 conversions. Click on my picture to see my UA-cam channel about it. I have my car set up to store the energy from our solar panels which I think will be the next thing. Using your electric car as a battery for your solar energy.
Ideally consumers would force producers to make their products 100% easily recyclable and repairable but lacking that consumer consensus I think it is the prevvy of government to compel corporations to make their products as environmentally friendly as possible we need to do this for our children
I agree! Another point along the same lines that I usually like to bring up is this:
We've spent most of our technological advances on making things cheaper instead of more durable and long lasting. We have the technology and materials to make products significantly longer lasting.
I firmly believe that one of the easiest things we can do now is to demand that governments require companies to offer a very long warranty period. If all products came with for example a 10 or 25 year warranty, depending on the type of product, then the capitalist system would become part of the solution for the problem it has created. I have great faith in the capitalist system in the sense that it is effective. I'm sure companies would find a solution efficiently and quickly. All of the cheap **** we can buy today would simply disappear as it would be unprofitable.
People throw away a washing machine after a few years because it was only 199$. Had they instead bought a quality product like a Miele it would be going strong for more than 20 years and if it broke after just a few years they'd have it repaired because it wasn't just 199$.
Products should also be designed in ways so they can be repaired and any attempts to prevent repairs, like for example Apple is doing, should be illegal. Repair manuals / schematics should be freely available so anyone can setup a repair shop.
Some people might argue that these extended warranties would cause products to become prohibitively expensive and that may seem like a valid argument - washing machine for 1199$ or a pair of shoes for 200$? Holy cow!
I would however argue that it isn't the case, products that are cheap to buy are rarely the cheapest in the long run and in the worst case it is a break even. A 200$ pair of shoes can last a decade if they can be re-soled several times and a quality washing machine can go on for literally a few decades.
We should approach all products like we (at least used to) do with cars - you service it at a regular interval and if something breaks it can be repaired.
You might be interested in a book by Brian Milani called Designing the Green Economy.
Mic Sondorp the easiest thing we can do is not eat industrial or mass produced flesh foods. But that’s a sacred cow to most , pun intended
The key to learning is to analyse your mistakes.
As a species, it seems we rarely do that.
That’s what I found depressing in the movie.
There was little focus on ideas of what we can do to improve the situation.
@@nancymesek That's because there really isn't any that will make any real difference except population control.. And even that would only be temporary. The green movement like religion is just a way to cope by deluding yourself into thinking it matters.
@@nancymesek I found it depressing too, but there was at least a very clear statement about what we should stop doing.
There seems to be a tendency among humans to predate their own species.
Those who do this should be recognised by society as needing help.
Anyone feeling a compulsion to amass millions has serious emotional problems, and is a clear and present danger to society as a whole.
Kerry Burns Right On!
*deluding
Everything sold should factor the cost of recycling it 100%. Just look at our electronic waste and how we treat our finite resources.
Michael Minugh in Belgium that is included in the purchase price.
Well, than wind power will be totally affordable. We can't recycle plastic only few percent. We can't recycle lithium ion batteries from power tool properly, how are we going to do it with billion car batteries??
Michael Minugh We already do that. At least in the EU and I believe the US has equivalent laws by now. In the EU this is governed by the "WEEE Directive" (Waste Eletronic and Electrical Equipment). The cost of disposal & recycling is factored into the price.
@@marktanska6331 How do we do it with 30 billion tons of Fossil Fuel waste a year?????? We don't. Large scale solar batteries can be 90-95% recyclable just introduce legislation. Big difference than with a power tool battery.
Here in Japan the recycling is top notch. Their medals for the olympics were made from metals extracted from electronics and other sources. Gawd dam Corona :(
I’m not a big Michael Moore fan, but he pointed out a huge revelation to the falsehood of Green Energy. Kudos to Mr. Moore on this documentary. Great questions!!
And don't ever believe that the rich man knows that over population is going to threaten his life and is planning mass genocide world war three to solve the problem
The 'documentary' should be the end of anyone taking Moore seriously.
@Jay m Overpopulation is being used to hide behind by those who own all the resources. The world can easily support the existing population, distribution of wealth is where the problem lies . The false narrative of
overpopulation is being perpetuated by the 1% who are becoming increasingly evident by their complaining.
Micheal more has always been a sensationalist hack. So many half truths and outright falsehoods in this film. Using footage/research from 10-15 years before the film was made with no effort to include updated data is disingenuous as can be. The anti-growth statements are a diversion from the real question: What is the best way to supply energy defined as utilizing the least resources to do so while producing the least pollution. Of course reduction of consumption will help no matter how we source our power.
'this pandemic this should teach us a lot where we have failed when it comes to battling ...the climate emergency'
M. Moore
what nonsense !!!
1. covid-19 virus was made in a bio-weapon lab (US subsidized gain of function - traitor fauchi)
2. was released as a bioweapon
3. made into a 'global crisis' by the globalist eugenicists (no were near to a pandemic .....prohibiting doctors to remediate the impact of the virus with known medication. in order to promote harmful DNA-altering test vaccines to hurt the people physically/financially/emotionally.... and put depopulation into practice
make products that last, recycle everything that can be recycled
Desiree Walker have only recycled materials for production going forward ,they have the technology on a shelf already
goes against everything GM holds dear, engineer it to be unrepairable in several years, go back and buy another- GM makes engines that head bolts break in half if an attempt is made to remove them
Recycling doesn't work: it consumes more energy than is saved. We need to stop using disposable products to begin with. A HUGE change is required throughout the supply chains.
The Biomass section of this film made me sick to my stomach concerning the deception and just the massive scale of destruction.
It was incredibly sketchy how it described biomass....
The film grossly exaggerates the situation and does not show efforts to curtail it. The film is a shameful sensationalism, and will do great harm to the environmental movement. The Koch brothers couldn't have done more harm. Michael Moore is no scientist or engineer, and he should be ashamed of this piece. Even this interview is shameful on his part. There are no solutions or ideas offered...other than perhaps mass genocide in the Third World. What exactly is their advice? Perhaps they are hoping this film triggers mass suicide. It might.
Most biomass is run off waste wood from milling, disruptions in lumber markets mean that there is sometimes not enough waste to completely power the plant but the power it generates is still needed. The net energy generated by waste, including tires and RR ties means that these plants generally operate at a surplus. The "truth" in this film is very selectively edited to give you the feeling you had. Renewables are not the answer right now, but eventually, they will be, you can't force change without having negative impacts a lot of which will be far worse than burning extra lumber that can't be used in construction.
@@brian2440 It was almost like he is pushing a political agenda or something rather than telling the truth.
@@scovene To me this film was saying look if you're going to make a fire then use the stuff we already have under the ground until we figure out a better solution, burning stuff from above the ground is less efficient, and that selling more goods ie solar is only adding to the problem as these items expire and don't recycle without more energy being used. Does fuel that has been burnt then stored in batteries, does this make it clean energy?
"There's no working with the devil." Exactly.
Moore is on the devil's side.
I thought he didn’t believe in the devil
@@Citadin Oh brother. Wanting a cleaner planet is being on the devil's side? I can't wait to hear this...
@@alfredgomez3906 Well, maybe not in the way literal-minded knuckleheads do.
this pandemic this should teach us a lot where we have failed when it comes to battling ...the climate emergency'
M. Moore
what nonsense !!!
1. covid-19 virus was made in a bio-weapon lab (US subsidized gain of function - traitor fauchi)
2. was released as a bioweapon
3. made into a 'global crisis' by the davos globalist eugenicists (no were near to a pandemic .....prohibiting doctors to remediate the impact of the lab concocted virus with known medication. in order to get emergency approval for and promote harmful DNA-altering test vaccines to hurt the people physically/financially/emotionally.... and put their depopulation agenda into practice !!
I’m so glad this movie was made. The people out there, who strongly desires the truth, already knew all the things this movie reveals. The last ten minutes was one of the most heartbreaking things I’ve ever seen.
It's like how we pat ourselves on the back and ban plastic straws while fishing leads to the Pacific getting choked with plastic garbage.
or how the new paper straws aren't recyclable OR BIODEGRADABLE (thanks to the chemical treatment), where as the plastic ones were at least recyclable. all they did is change one mess for another.
@@arizona_anime_fan I live in Taiwan now and restaurants often use reusable metal straws.
Simple enough right?!?
How about now that there's pandemic & the demand for plastic to protect us from d virus has increase a thousand fold?🤪🤯😷🤬🤧☠
this pandemic this should teach us a lot where we have failed when it comes to battling ...the climate emergency'
M. Moore
what nonsense !!!
1. covid-19 virus was made in a bio-weapon lab (US subsidized gain of function - traitor fauchi)
2. was released as a bioweapon
3. made into a 'global crisis' by the davos globalist eugenicists (no were near to a pandemic .....prohibiting doctors to remediate the impact of the lab concocted virus with known medication. in order to get emergency approval for and promote harmful DNA-altering test vaccines to hurt the people physically/financially/emotionally.... and put their depopulation agenda into practice !!
Tell the average american he needs to learn to live smaller.
Okay.
Now go tell that to a billionaire industrialist type.
and part of living smaller is having fewer kids.
You can't tell billionaires to do things. You have to force them. Better yet, you could eliminate class systems, but we'd have to get rid of capitalism since it's inherently classist as it creates inequalities in wealth and power. In capitalism, there will always be an owner class and a subject class.
@Bitches Brew We should forcibly sterilize the top 1% and make contraception & sterilization free for everyone. Lower income communities will naturally partake in family planning if these measures are taken.
MaybePotatoes Is it? Or is it to stop trying to prolong life so far out?
@Ms. Tal Individuals rely on multi billion dollar companies for food, shelter, and sometimes water. The workers must seize their means of production so we can consciously produce instead of letting the invisible hand produce for us.
About time people addressed the fundamental cause of our crisis
Gary Johnson Jesus did that about 2000 years ago, but not many over the two millennia listened to or trusted what he warned
GET AN EDUCATION. LEARN SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN SELL QUIT WAITING FOR A HAND OUT.
@@jo8495 caps lock is cruise control for cool my dude
The irony of capitalism is that the more you exploit resources (the planet, the environment) the better the economy and even regular people are. It is nonsensical. We need a system in which rationalize use (exploitation) of resources is rewarded, rather than the opposite.
In that sense, every strategy video game has a more sensible economic system than we do in real life.
One look at Michael and America's problem is obvious. If they could permanently close the fast food restaurants and especially the bakeries Americans would be a lot healthier. But then people would live longer and the pensions would bankrupt the country faster.
We could cap incomes at $70,000 and have one healthcare for all people, but then government employees, business owners, lawyers, Wall Street and others would have a fit.
We could do nothing and pretend that everything is fine, but eventually we will have armed violence with the poor against the wealthier people.
We could pollute the environment at an even faster pace and vaccinate everyone and keep track of them with Quantum Dot Tattoos and if they get out of line the Gates Foundation Tattoos might be able to just kill you.
Try to avoid bringing American politics into this as crippling debt is a world problem.
Thank you Michael for getting to the REAL issue- GREED! The love of money is the root of all evil!$$$$!
Lust and Gluttony is the root of all evil.
Wrong, the love of money is the root of all KINDS of evil. Child molesters do evil and it's not for the love of money, for example.
"The love of money is a root of all kinds of evil". Implies it is not the only root of evil. Know your bible!
Known all this for almost 20 years yet I failed to get it across to any of my deluded friends.
Poor guy... i understand you.
In all the years how many things did they get right or wrong
@@chopper680 the simplist one......that business in any form will use any means available to it to simply generate extreme wealth for a few in order they can sustain a lifestyle and a class where most of us cannot.
Same
HERE HERE !!!
My wife typically goes to the grocery store three times a week. With Corona virus that's cut to twice per month and we eat just fine.
THIS!!!
Wtf I only go every 2 weeks
Dont ever let her know.. 🤣🤣🤣
A lot of people bulk shop using SUVs to big box stores (Costco, WalMart) buying processed preserved packaged goods that can last long time in storage. It's part of the suburban sprawl lifestyle but people in cities and the country also do it. I'm not saying that is what you are doing. However this is the exact thing that MM is getting at: consumer options that are greenwashed.
However, MM's film is very badly made. You don't build trust using deceptive out of date footage. And trust is badly needed for us to work together. Lots of people have been working on this and have much more accurate and up to date info on what works and doesn't work. But many will see the support for them drop as people abandon environmentalism and retreat into the individualistic American ethic (that the film offers no alternative to!?!!!) and pe perfect survivalist consumers.
It would be better to live close and walk to the store regularly and have a community relationship with the store and the farmers. Small towns in Europe have done a good job with this. Also they share their farm fields amongst the village. It's not communist at all, in fact in the East of Europe this community village farm system was damaged by big state interventions so its stronger in West Germany but not East Germany for instance.
The English/American fences and castles for rural land system is a big part of the problem. And has been for a long long time.
I go to the store several times a week, and get a lot of fresh produce, ride a bus or walk to do so, generally on the way home from work, and eat well without consuming as much packaged food as most Americans, and without consuming any animal cadavers, far more destructive than taking a few trips to the store.
I don't see any way for me to shop only twice a month unless I were to change my diet to eat a lot more longer lasting (probably meaning factory packaged) foods, and less fresh produce that came from small and often local farms instead of a factory. I don't see the switch as being greener or less consumptive simply because I'd cut down my number of store visits.
For the billionaires, it's never enough; it's an addiction.
I'll never forget reading this parable in One Minute Wisdom by Anthony de Mello:
EXPANSION
The Master sat in rapt attention as the renowned economist explained his blueprint for development.
"Should growth be the only consideration in an economic theory?" he asked.
"Yes. All growth is good in itself."
"Isn't that the thinking of the cancer cell?" said the Master.
© Anthony de Mello, SJ
Wayne T I know it’s an addiction, and I’m getting help. Please bare with me.
Conspicious consumption is a problem in more than just billionaires, wealth porn keeps it going.
"I can't get no satisfaction...." The Kinks? Or the Rolling Stones? Anyway, they were singing about all of us, not just about billionaires. Why do people play the lottery, or go to Vegas? To win money to buy more in order to get satisfied. There's no such thing as satisfaction
@ Wayne T, you better put yourself in that as well, unless you are a hermit in the woods. Which I doubt since you have internet access.
I remember when guru marketer Gore explains what to choose between the whole world vs the gold bar in the blind justice scale. found out all are sanctimonious acclaimed.
'this pandemic this should teach us a lot where we have failed when it comes to battling ...the climate emergency'
M. Moore
what nonsense !!!
1. covid-19 virus was made in a bio-weapon lab (US subsidized gain of function - traitor fauchi)
2. was released as a bioweapon
3. made into a 'global crisis' by the globalist eugenicists (no were near to a pandemic .....prohibiting doctors to remediate the impact of the virus with known medication. in order to promote harmful DNA-altering test vaccines to hurt the people physically/financially/emotionally.... and put depopulation into practice
There's a lot about "recycling" that should be exposed in the same vane.
recycling is covered too
Recycling is BS .
. incinerator plants just burn it ...i've seen it first hand
@@anthonyw9129 weird. But thats not the case for everything.
You mean like the fact that municipalities charge us money to pick up recycling, profit off of that which is worth the money to recycle, and destroy the rest? They double dip, and shame the public into habits that have no meaningful effect...
@@anthonyw9129 because paper especially can't be recycled when wet with dirty nappy juice.
Economies based on growth are futile, and a waste of resources. Economies should be based on stability, not boom and bust. It's greed that makes it doomed to fail.
Cronyism 101
@blub blub Beating cancer? So economic growth equals beating cancer? What?
@blub blub Or instead of the impossible dream of eternal growth we could allocate the resources we have into things we need rather than siphoning money into the bank accounts of billionaires.
@blub blub Growth in profits decentivizes cures and incentivizes treatments. Costly and expensive treatments funded by the public and affordable by the few and elite.
@blub blub No growth of things. We don't need things to be happy. Research is different.
"Planet of the Humans" is very respectful of the human errors SOME environmental leaders have fallen into. I've only viewed the work once, but as a visual culture critic/art historian I found the narrative plausible and persuasive. The film accomplishes what art does at best: un-cover an existing truth that is ignored. Ignored at our peril. Thanks to Rising for featuring this important discussion.
Celeste Connor Please...The human errors you are referring to are greed, manipulation and deception. Anyone, half intelligent, who has been involved in the green energy business, understands that it is scam. Al Gore McKibben and Kennedy: they all knew that “biofuel” meant mowing down forests and chopping trees into wood chips, for a dirty profit.
@@patharvard Omnes viae hominum patent per definitionem imperfectus.
This is a complex issue, and only Moore, in this interview, is able to explain it. The solution is not about personal responsibility, or personal austerity, it is about government policy that prioritizes the common good. Cuba may have an authoritarian, disorganized and oppressive regime, but they do three things very well - limit individual wealth acquisition, and promote medical and musical training. I would guess that having a lot of people training in medicine and playing guitars leaves less time for business speculation, and scheming to boost consumption. There is an art and grace in Cuban poverty, and we should learn from them.
@@philwilson609 You should move there. US will take a Cuban as an exchange.
It's not errors, it's on purpose. They gotta eat too. Might as well do it off the backs of ideologues who claim to support your cause.
The brilliant documentary film "The Corporation" focused on this very issue back in 2003 and here we are again, none the wiser.
They made a sequel. Search "the new corporation"
Came out a month or two ago.
@@amandap9332 I'll check it out. Thanks.
'this pandemic this should teach us a lot where we have failed when it comes to battling ...the climate emergency'
M. Moore
what nonsense !!!
1. covid-19 virus was made in a bio-weapon lab (US subsidized gain of function - traitor fauchi)
2. was released as a bioweapon
3. made into a 'global crisis' by the globalist eugenicists (no were near to a pandemic .....prohibiting doctors to remediate the impact of the virus with known medication. in order to promote harmful DNA-altering test vaccines to hurt the people physically/financially/emotionally.... and put depopulation into practice
@@amandap9332 Thanks for that, did not know... the first one was A+
“Addiction to growth” is one description of cancer.
... and evolution.
True
You are on my radar. Most don’t remember or know that crucial piece of life and the triggers for an unchecked system. Coronavirus is a pause on reckless consumption.
Classic capitalism , as long as the best the streets expectations on quarterly growth they could give a damn about anything, probably literally. If a comet was about to blast the planet they'd try to tie it into growth and wouldn't care what happened after we got hit as long as they had better than expected earnings.
Put another way: "Growth for growth's sake is the ideology of the cancer cell."
Basically the film says that the current green movement has been lip service and unfortunately that assessment is correct.
Loony left wing liberal fools
And it takes a mountain of firewood to run a eco-friendly energy source. The film was a real eye opener 😱
Wouldn't mind "lip service;" I'd say more Trojan Horsed.
I know it's depressing to find out 😞
I haven't watched the film yet, but I have long had a feeling that most "green" businesses are simply capitalizing on the "green" in the name and not actually doing anything useful.
There are sadly so many people driving around in their overpriced Tesla's with a condescending smirk, feeling they are saving the environment. Yet, never checking how much carbon is emitted in the production of the car, the battery and most importantly, the power you charge it with.
Climate change is no different from other political matters in one important regard: terrible supporters are worse than strong opposition. And I believe Al Gore, and possibly Michael Moore, have done more harm to the "green" cause than good. Their divisiveness and blatant dishonesty (at least in Gore's case) have pushed so many people into climate change denial it's horrible.
"We are under the gross misconception that we are a good species going somewhere important and that at the last minute we will correct our errors and God will smile on us. It is delusion." Farley Mowat
If Science teaches us anything it is that nothing lasts forever. You cannot have unlimited economic growth, unlimited population growth, because we have not got unlimited resources. The Earth is demonstrably finite. What we do have, however, as humans are a seemingly unlimited capacity to adapt, to innovate, to change. We need to act collectively together a lot more carefully, to realise that this Earth is all we have and that we had better start using it more wisely. We really do need to get a lot smarter.
God, I love a Farley Mowat quote in the morning! Thanks.
Please watch CONSPIRACY. the only way to save the environment is to go vegan and stop torturing other animals en masse
@@animalsarebeautifulpeople3094 Plants are not vegan unless you feed them fossil fertilizer which is unsustainable and use other extractive farming practices. Animal products (and plant) create healthy soil, you need both to get trace nutrients. I agree we need to stop factory farms... that goes for both meat and plant production and take care of our soil since that is what can feed us into the future. I agree less meat is better because it takes less energy, but no animals would mean no food in the long run.
Depravity of man....
George Carlin once said “This planet ain’t goin’ anywhere folks! We ARE!”
:D
Could use several doses of George again.
We have to start demanding more value, less stuff.
yep, and that starts with denying China the right to make cheap, rubbish goods that we are encouraged to throw away.
I remember when products were proudly labeled Union made but then the market was supplied with cheaper product and unfortunately we fell for it.
You and Moore first
True no more planned obsolescence of the things we buy. We need to demand they be built to last, and we need to keep things longer. Not just buy the newest latest design and get rid of stuff because we think it has gotten outdated. .
My Fridge-Freezer stopped working last year so I bought a new fridge. The old one had lasted for 36 years.
.... I don’t remember signing up for the system... IT WAS IMPOSED ON US!
ZantherY leave
Touche!!!
yup, we are born on "the Cruise".
Pack up and move out china is nice I hear
In capatilism you always have to choice to set up and run a communal system. Get 50-500-5000 people together and decide to share all your efforts out. No one will stop you and many will wish you success
In communism, it's illegal to do non communism
I thought the film was pretty good. But most people miss the message and focus on the astroturf activists and the flaws in current green tech. The most important message is in the last bit. Our socioeconomic system is leading us off a cliff and if we need to change it asap. And so, maybe the Risen crew should do a few episodes on the Venus Project. Maybe get Peter Joseph on the show. IMO, the monetary system has to go.
The Venus project is another utopia that leads to jet another dictatorship.
The Venus project is just another utopia that leads to jet another dictatorship.
ALL the alternative media, alternative political parties, and sparring factions of socialists, anarchists, and communists need to get on the same boat, along with the Venus Project people, the weed smokers, and the Gaia (media network) people to push for positive change. Road diets. Car bans in center cities. Micromobility. Permaculture farming. Hemp. Bamboo. Better sets of economic and environmental tradeoffs exist!
@@fennek5351 If that's what you think, then you don't understand the Venus Project. There is no structure for people like that to exist within the Resource Based Economy.
The film was powerful. I know there has been some criticism of certain parts of the film but the message is so urgent and other problems are getting worse so hopefully it inspires people to take action.
From the words of George Carlin-"Save the planet!?! "How self important are we?" "The planet doesn't need saving. The planet is fine, the people are fk'd!"
With respect, the planet is in no way "fine." We are in the middle of a massive extinction event. We are running out of clean
water; water that supports all life on this planet. The whales are dying. The greenhouse effect is increasing. Glaciers are
melting. If the human race is screwed, it's something we brought upon ourselves.
@@mihkupaul6765, That's not what George Carlin meant. The planet, e.g. Earth, is 4.5 billion years old. Humans have existed for one to two million years tops. Even if we disappear tomorrow, the planet will survive another 4.5 billion years. He also said that maybe our reason for existence is because nature couldn't make plastic on its own, so it created us to do that. "What's our purpose in life?" PLASTIC.
Mihku Paul The planet is fine mate. It has survived phenomena much more destructive than us in an amount of time we can never fathom. 90% of the species that ever lived on this planet have already been extinct millions of years before humans existed. We will be added to that list soon.
We humans are Planet Earth's cancer !
Considering over 99.5% of every species of flora or fauna that has EVER lived is now extinct, I’d argue extinction events are very natural to the earths ways. Meaning the planet is definitely fine. Other life forms get a shot at the big show just as we got from the dinosaurs.
"Infinite growth on a finite planet is suicide"
Thats a gut punch right there.
That very line was said by Jacques Fresco some 50 years ago. Go and investigate The Venus Project .. They actually offer viable solutions to the very problems these 3 discuss...
Leftist idiots won’t be happy until mankind goes back to the Stone Age.
@@roybaty7439 it is not the left that pushing us back to stone age it is the right that wants us to stay with fossil fuel and hates progress .
@@roybaty7439 go pray lol
airdi Fossil Fuel is not harming the Earth dummie, your global warming nonsense is just that.
I watched this the other day. Its the most disturbing documentary I've ever seen. We're being lied to about alternative fuels. The fuel companies have gone from taking oil in the ground (they still do in vast quantities however) to saying they're using biofuels. The biofuels being the rain forest! The final scene of an orangutan will live with me forever. If this doesn't make you angry and sad, then I don't know what will.
This documentary kept me awake all night!
@@conniemaggio3665 yeah, had me thinking about it for awhile. Climate change people are to blame.
I got about halfway through it. So depressing. I look at how my grandparents live. I thought we were making "progress", but apparently we're just making death...
The tab always comes due, if you keep pushing the bill off to the next generation.
Also please remember this, "live simply so others may simply live".
You must be young, this is called a con job or snake oil salesman. Remove all the CO2 from the air and all plant life dies on this planet. Did you ever take Botany in high school? If you watch the news, then you know politics infects everything INCLUDING SCIENCE. Politics in science created the scientific consensus that the earth is fat and that it is the center of the universe and that the sun circles the earth. Anyone that TELLS you what science says is LYING to you. Science doesn't say anything, it has no spokesperson, it has no politics, it has no conclusions, or feelings, or beliefs. Sadly, IF this is a thing, then why is no one talking about the science? All that carbon found in coal and oil used to be in the atmosphere, so burning it is simply RETURNING it to the atmosphere where it originally came from (NOT adding it). Water vapor produces almost ALL of the heat in our atmosphere and they didn't even mention that. Water vapor is the BIGGEST greenhouse gas in our atmosphere, so why do you think none of these power hungry authoritarians ever mention that? Anyone that tells you to give them power to save the planet that doesn't mention water vapor, or where the carbon in coal and oil originally came from, or sun spot cycles, and much more isn't having an honest discussion on climate change, they are charlatans.
Watch the last few minutes, you'll be even more heartbroken.
@@douglascounts4634 This is so disgustingly disingenuous. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Noone is suggesting that occur. They wish it to turn to pre industrial levels or a bit higher than that (we're FAR in excess of that obviously). Hell even half way in between what it is today and pre-industrial would be a massive improvement.
@@mduckernz Return to half way between a horse and jet plane. You just killed 6 billion people.
Game B. Embedded growth obligations will be the death of humanity
Humanity will be the death of humanity.
@@mathgod well said unfortunately. What can we do about this because the deck is stacked against the people. The wealthy have their bunkers and wealth to hide behind. Most people are too in debt/slaves to the system to care. So depressed right now.
Wow, that was a wonderful explanation: intelligent, nice, frank. Kudos to you all.
For solar panels no trees, plants or animals have to be taken down, not during their production phases, and not when you put them on your roof. The resources used for solar are also negligible per Watt generated versus ALL other energy sources. So, whatever they're saying, this is just not honest reporting of reality here, and frankly, quite silly and lazy. Same goes for electric cars. They're way more efficient, both in use and in maintenance. Tesla are not the only EV's you know? And even teslas end up being among the most reliable machines on the road today.
Thank you Krystal and Saagar- great interview- very informative- I'll definitely watch "Planet of the Humans".
Isn't the Wall Street mantra "creating a need where none exists?"
Yes. And always: planned obsolescence.
"Lonely? Buy something in a cardboard box"
Michael Moore owns 9 homes...hypocrisy.
'this pandemic this should teach us a lot where we have failed when it comes to battling ...the climate emergency'
M. Moore
what nonsense !!!
1. covid-19 virus was made in a bio-weapon lab (US subsidized gain of function - traitor fauchi)
2. was released as a bioweapon
3. made into a 'global crisis' by the globalist eugenicists (no were near to a pandemic .....prohibiting doctors to remediate the impact of the virus with known medication. in order to promote harmful DNA-altering test vaccines to hurt the people physically/financially/emotionally.... and put depopulation into practice !
'this pandemic this should teach us a lot where we have failed when it comes to battling ...the climate emergency'
M. Moore
what nonsense !!!
1. covid-19 virus was made in a bio-weapon lab (US subsidized gain of function - traitor fauchi)
2. was released as a bioweapon
3. made into a 'global crisis' by the globalist eugenicists (no were near to a pandemic .....prohibiting doctors to remediate the impact of the virus with known medication. in order to promote harmful DNA-altering test vaccines to hurt the people physically/financially/emotionally.... and put depopulation into practice !!
Very polite hosts, letting their guests finish their monologue & express their point of view without interrupting. Impressive 👍
Nothing obviously incorrect here, but for the most part, this is not the kind of incisive, inquisitive interviewing that's needed, despite being polite and intelligent. Statements presented as fact, whether in this interview, or in the film, need to be substantiated by significant evidence - not by repetition, anecdote or isolated examples. The film makers need to be challenged on their assertions - not taken as experts simply because they made a film from their point of view.
Ors Boer
Of course they are. It is propaganda by The Hill.
No opposing view presented.
@@fuzzy1joe I liked your comment. Have you seen 'The Planet of the Humans' in its entirety? Personally, I found the claims made in the film to have been substantiated by significant evidence, about as much evidence as any documentary can hope to provide. If 'Planet of the Humans' got some things wrong, I want to know to know about it. Thus far, however, I have encountered only vague assertions and unsubstantiated accusations. If you could direct me to a place where I can read about detailed specifics, I would be most grateful.
@@lduych I watched the whole film. Like most things, it's a mixed bag. However, if you search ["the planet of the humans" review], you'll find blogs by environmentalists, various technologists and others that credibly dispute some of the films assertions. One example: the "degraded" wind and solar installations displayed are not representative or typical. Another: many of the films "facts" are outdated.
- I would note that a power line coming into a "carbon-neutral" facility proves absolutely nothing except that there's electrical power available.
- There IS widespread agreement that biomass combustion is not generally a sustainable source of large-scale energy. But "sustainable" and "large-scale" need to be defined for this assertion as well.
- Personally, I can tell you that mountaintop removal for coal mining is NOTHING LIKE creating a clearing for wind turbines.
- Solar installations are commonly lasting 30 years or more, not always derelict after 20 as reflected in the movie.
- There IS analysis that confirms the net energy produced by modern solar and wind devices will exceed the inputs. But there is a "payback period". So, for example, we don't get net benefits by installing a solar panel and only using it on weekends to charge the car. The same is true of hydro.
Bottom line: technology alone doesn't make a difference - what counts is employing that technology in a way that actually has an impact on emissions, mining, waste, etc. A systems approach is needed. There's an impact from all and any human activity. Including UA-cam!
@@lduych if you google reviews there are already plenty from experts in renewable energy and sustainability. There's pretty much a consensus that this film is awful. It's quite strange just how bad it is; talking points from 2 decades ago, strawmaning the environmental movement (they are all aware that transforming our energy system won't be enough), pointing out the obvious (making solar panels involved the use of fossil fuels, no shit Sherlock), attacking environmental figures who have changed their views on issues, using poor examples... They're right about some things like biofuels but overall this is trying to discredit renewal energy despite there being some major improvements in recent years. This doc is more concerned with saying capitalism is bad and even distorts the environmental project instead of explaining how far we've come and how much more there is still to do
If corporations aren't "cashing in" with the "Environmental Movement" then I am E.T. and I need to phone home...
Don't write aren't. Write are NOT so people notice better.
them: biomass
us: trees?
them: organic materials as fuels
us: dead cows?
Lefty Moore tells it straight and gets cancelled by the very left he represents
He is a scumbag. Who needs growth? He is already a millionare. He has all the money he needs.
Moore attributes the endless consumption to an economic system. He should know better; it's a human condition or more precisely a spiritual condition. There is no economic system that can mitigate the desire to consume more. What some described as the bottomless pit can't be filled by consuming more. He should stop trying to illuminate others till he solves his own endless consumption issue.
Michael Moore's worth 55 million
@@TheStrick10 the irony does not escape me.
The Left can't handle the truth and likes transparency as clear as circle-back Jen Psaki.
That movie is important and it opened my eyes to see that money is being made off of being environmentalists. Wood chips destroying forests? Michael Moore is on track again.
Seriously, I've been worried about this blind spot of his. I heard that he blew up a model of the Unabomber shack on his NBC TV show back in the 90s. I hope that he gives to his commissary now.
How many houses does Michael Moore own?
good then you'll like Bill Gates terrapower
Just wondering why Michael Moore “needs” to have NINE homes??
Because is ok for him to grow but not everybody else.
I'd love to know what his angle is? How's he's going to make his billions off this.
@@kevinodom2918 It's a free movie lol
Real estate is a good investment. Where else is he going to put his money, in a checking account?
Coz he outgrows each one?? Good question.
I’m am an engineer in the energy industry. All of the concerns they bring up are valid and have always been a problem in the messaging around environmentalism.
Jim O'Brien agreed . Same field. Solar and wind are political.
What part of the energy industry?
I've worked in the wind and solar industries for the past 12 years and I disagree, we've done EVERYTHING we possibly can to design, manufacture and install the highest efficient wind and solar equipment with the environment, always in mind. The fossil fuel industry receives billions, every year, in tax subsidies that we, in the wind and solar industry, have worked tirelessly to match. I've met with U.S. Senators in the Senate office and on Capitol Hill, talking directly with them about giving us the same tax breaks as the coal, gas and oil industries receive. The Dems and Independents have been wonderful to work with while Republican Senators refuse to ever meet with us. We haven't asked for special treatment, just to be fair, either give us the same tax credits or eliminate ALL tax credits for energy production. It's easy for Moore and others to be armchair quarterbacks and scoff at the wind and solar industries which totally PISSES me off as we're doing our absolute best to help save this wonderful planet while Moore and his buddies laugh in their mansions, flying around the world in their leer jets, mocking us every step of the way. Moore's nothing but a stupid fat ass that I'll punch in the face, when I see him.
Jim O'Brien, The film was very one sided and disingenuous, IMHO, especially not focusing at all on the consumption side (except for “culling the herd”). I think CSP when finally honed to include storage either by thermal batteries or hydro, provides great promise, as do residential rooftop solar panels, both PV and passive, especially if combined with geothermal heat pump technology.
You can’t have Falstaff and have him thin.
gerald seivewright, Not when you’re damned and determined to destroy all the plants.
This is real news. I would like to see The Hill do at least one segment on this very topic everyday!
NOT real news, they falsely blame a virus (which the world has seen worse and even plagues) on CO2 levels. Also they don't seem to know that the very oxygen we breath was originally CO2 before the trees converted it to oxygen. Without CO2 there is NO LIFE. Also all that carbon in the coal and oil originally was in our atmosphere before trees removed it and later died. So burning it is merely replacing what was removed. Meaning we have had much higher CO2 levels during the life of our planet. An argument can even be made that free oxygen is the real pollutant as at one point our planet didn't have any, it came from thousands of years of plant life creating it while diminishing the CO2 levels in our atmosphere. Also they don't discuss that ALMOST ALL HEAT PRODUCED in our atmosphere is created by the water vapor that is present. CO2 has minimal impact on heat production when compared to water vapor in the air. So why is no one talking about drying our air, or perhaps finding ways to shade the planet instead of fabricating excuses to run everyone's life as we are an energy economy and been so since the stone age.
@@douglascounts4634 Go back on your meds man.
Global Warming is fake news . . . but you crazy with your rambling !!!
Fake
They believe in catastrophic global warming, so no, they are providing anything but real news, in this regard.
The major theme I got from that film was that we need to be building smart nuclear new technology plants yesterday
Also to stop decommissioning existing nuclear power plants
Only big cities need nuclear power. So if nuclear power is so safe, then build them in the big cities. Don't put build them 100 miles out in the rural areas and then build big power lines back to the city. Until you build these plants in the cities, nuclear power is not safe, at all,,,,,,,,
@@ddyeo503 utter nonsense. There are RBMK reactors 70 km away from St. Petersburg (close!) and are those safe? I could see a small modular reactor being used just about anywhere, but reactor safety is independent from its location. Look into Gen III+ and Gen IV reactors that are passively safe. Also look into the deaths per terawatt hour from different forms of power generation (hydroelectric, nuclear, solar, wind, natural gas, coal). What you find will surprise you.
@@ddyeo503 London City has nuclear power in it
@@pauljarski7590 It's simple, if they are so safe then build them in the big cities where they are needed. When you locate them 100 miles away it's quite obvious they are not that safe at all. I mean why build hundreds of miles of power lines if the power is needed in the big cities. If they are so safe, like you say, then build them in the large cities,,,,,,,,
Richard Branson was asked if Al Gore is a prophet, he said it depends how you spell prophet,profit, says it all
Don’t think so. Al Gore raised some very good issues and the issues he raised, overall, remain relevant today.
@@jasonblack2760 not sure about that either since these issues jave been around since the 1950. Al gore also said he invented the internet. People raise issues all the time in business it is what you do with these issues. Now if you like Gore then I can understand how you like to protect him
@@jasonblack2760 He did, but he was a huge hypocrite. He never walked the talk..
The Hill just earned my Subscription. Good interview, good awareness, good letting the individuals talk, good not trying to spin it. Well done!
Deathpony9000 I thought it was a very soft interview where they didn’t question any of the false statements in the movie. It was a free pass
Agreed. I stand adamantly opposed to the "progressive" agenda, but at least these two are fair. They call out both, but REGULARLY point out the left's corruption and how it's tearing this country apart.
Krystal and Saager are as professional as the come.
this pandemic this should teach us a lot where we have failed when it comes to battling ...the climate emergency'
M. Moore
what nonsense !!!
1. covid-19 virus was made in a bio-weapon lab (US subsidized gain of function - traitor fauchi)
2. was released as a bioweapon
3. made into a 'global crisis' by the davos globalist eugenicists (no were near to a pandemic .....prohibiting doctors to remediate the impact of the lab concocted virus with known medication. in order to get emergency approval for and promote harmful DNA-altering test vaccines to hurt the people physically/financially/emotionally.... and put their depopulation agenda into practice !!
@@robrechtsaski7458 make a documentary with your views…..too easy to criticize others who are putting forward their views. It’s a matter of perspective. Put forward real solutions. Please.
Really fantastic points all around. Time for a rethink.
'this pandemic this should teach us a lot where we have failed when it comes to battling ...the climate emergency'
M. Moore
what nonsense !!!
1. covid-19 virus was made in a bio-weapon lab (US subsidized gain of function - traitor fauchi)
2. was released as a bioweapon
3. made into a 'global crisis' by the davos globalist eugenicists (no were near to a pandemic .....prohibiting doctors to remediate the impact of the lab concocted virus with known medication. in order to get emergency approval for and promote harmful DNA-altering test vaccines to hurt the people physically/financially/emotionally.... and put their depopulation agenda into practice !!!
The Truth, will be Universally unpopular. Congratulations to those who have continued to work toward it, whatever the outcome. There is a balance point to every variable; and every parameter must be considered. God save our souls.
Thank you Rising for real journalism. Great interview
this pandemic this should teach us a lot where we have failed when it comes to battling ...the climate emergency'
M. Moore
what nonsense !!!
1. covid-19 virus was made in a bio-weapon lab (US subsidized gain of function - traitor fauchi)
2. was released as a bioweapon
3. made into a 'global crisis' by the davos globalist eugenicists (no were near to a pandemic .....prohibiting doctors to remediate the impact of the lab concocted virus with known medication. in order to get emergency approval for and promote harmful DNA-altering test vaccines to hurt the people physically/financially/emotionally.... and put their depopulation agenda into practice !!!
....'this pandemic this should teach us a lot where we have failed when it comes to battling ...the climate emergency'
M. Moore
what nonsense !!!
1. covid-19 virus was made in a bio-weapon lab (US subsidized gain of function - traitor fauchi)
2. was released as a bioweapon
3. made into a 'global crisis' by the davos globalist eugenicists (no were near to a pandemic .....prohibiting doctors to remediate the impact of the lab concocted virus with known medication. in order to get emergency approval for and promote harmful DNA-altering test vaccines to hurt the people physically/financially/emotionally.... and put their depopulation agenda into practice !!!
I’m surprised UA-cam hasn’t taken it down lol
The publisher have now also released it in response to Moore's release along with a statement that they ''didn't want to appear to be censoring, even though they don't agree with the film's message''
Only because it's the Michael Moore. The biggest hypocritical moron there is.
@@smiley3012 no you are
Glenn Espinoza It's not "health related". If it was about the horrors of vaccines it would be gone.
@Citizen Four
Easily fooled, eh?
So nice to, finally, see someone else talk about this problem!
I would like one of you panic stricken climate people to tell me scientifically how this works. I don't mean with a cliche "The Greenhouse Effect", what I want you to tell me how electrically charged particles, carbon dioxide (a complex molecule with a north and south pole) can stop heated nitrogen and oxygen non charged particles (simple molecules without a north and south pole) from rising through the layer of carbon dioxide to thermal equilibrium which has been the plan all along (warm air rises - cool air descends) "Natural global cooling".
@@ginojones5857 if you actually cared, or could be taught, you would have already figured it out instead of convolutedly demanding answer from a stranger in the youtube comments section.
@@ginojones5857 What you just said, made zero sense. The only thing that did was, warm air rising. How does the heat from the sun reach us? Under your misguided theory, it should be freezing cold all of the time. Do you know how tornadoes form? Go actually learn some science before challenging someone on it. Only an idiot would believe releasing billions of tons of carbon, while simultaneously cutting down millions of acres of what absorbs it, have no effect. Climate change is an overall heating of the planet with extreme temperatures on both plains. Explain to me what you think happens when a powerful polar jet stream is inundated with melting polar ice? Once again, if you believe powerful jet streams do not pull in cold air, you're scientifically illiterate. Do you really believe the massive amounts of methane being released through fracking and factory farming are going to make the earth cooler? How exactly does that work?
Hi Chris, it's been awhile. I hope you're doing well. I know you and I have had our disagreements on solutions, but the second guy made really great points. Infinite growth on a finite planet is a match to destruction.
@@gwills9337 Yes, thank you!
“He is rich who is content with the least; for contentment is the wealth of nature.”
Socrates PHILOSOPHER
Looks like Mr. Moore has grown up and coming to terms with reality. Good on him
good quote but maybe socrates didn't have satn beating him with a stick to pay taxes to prop up the empire, the satanic empire has to be dismantled then people can be content, work is forced on people by taxes, essentially dont stop , satn wants tax, is a spin on xat, exact.
@@pinarellolimoncello I mean...they killed him for educating the youth...
'this pandemic this should teach us a lot where we have failed when it comes to battling ...the climate emergency'
M. Moore
what nonsense !!!
1. covid-19 virus was made in a bio-weapon lab (US subsidized gain of function - traitor fauchi)
2. was released as a bioweapon
3. made into a 'global crisis' by the globalist eugenicists (no were near to a pandemic .....prohibiting doctors to remediate the impact of the virus with known medication. in order to promote harmful DNA-altering test vaccines to hurt the people physically/financially/emotionally.... and put depopulation into practice
Oh my god, Grandpa Baby Boomer said that same thing yesterday and back when he was young, when is enough is enough and in this country, we're taught that more is good, instead of we have enough. He's a child of the 60's and they questions capitalism and that was the first time anyone in any generation question the power. We had this same conversation and the system we have now is greed on steroids, it's surpassing human life to get what they want and we're in danger, this is what he said.
If those that can work from home, continue to do so. Emissions would drop dramatically.
Arthur the Infidel the laundry is going to pile up anyway regardless of when you do it.
@Arthur the Infidel that's already energy that they would instead be using at the office. Just cutting out half the cars has made a significant difference in air quality and PPM where I live.
@Arthur the Infidel I'm a big climate change debunker, but your argument is wrong on its face. Surely, the fuel wouldn't be burned for the commute. Business clothes wouldn't have to be washed and you could wear the same clothes for days at home. How is laundry going to increase? The amount of electricity used in the home, while insignificant, is about equal to what you would be using at the office. The other chores you mention would all be done anyway. The only thing that would increase is efficiency.
The tiny house movement.
Work to live in humble respect for others, study what you love and do sports to keep your body and mind sane. My motto for life.
Liesbeth de Vries Still, it won’t be enough.
still protect the commons not just one's living space
I think we need to change the zoning laws to allow for smaller homes and to have more portable homes we can actually take with us if we move. Just need the land to put it on, but often zoning does not allow that.
Lisa T Sadly, that is how those that have are able to segregate from those who have not. If you are a have not you may only rent property.
I’ve said for years companies can’t grow forever.
'this pandemic this should teach us a lot where we have failed when it comes to battling ...the climate emergency'
M. Moore
what nonsense !!!
1. covid-19 virus was made in a bio-weapon lab (US subsidized gain of function - traitor fauchi)
2. was released as a bioweapon
3. made into a 'global crisis' by the globalist eugenicists (no were near to a pandemic .....prohibiting doctors to remediate the impact of the virus with known medication. in order to promote harmful DNA-altering test vaccines to hurt the people physically/financially/emotionally.... and put depopulation into practice
Are those tears swelling in Moore's eyes? It's an effin sad documentary. The REAL inconvenient truth.
The real inconvenient truth is that Micheal Moore has 9 houses including an 11,000 square foot beach house and he is lecturing you and me about not knowing when to stop. The real truth is they mean reduction for you, not for them. The real truth is they have spent the better part of 5 decades convincing you to hate yourselves, to hate success, to hate having enough, and to hate the thought of having children. The real truth is global warming/climate change is nothing more than eugenics 2.0, with its roots in the fascist and communist movements, communists went after the middle class, fascists went after the "lower class". Micheal Moore touches on it, but like any good salesman leaves it to be your decision that the only way to save the planet is to decide who gets to live and who doesn't.
Yes, we will run out of fossil fuels in a few hundred years, but there are alternatives, the rush to put those in place is causing far more damage than good. The only reason that all these companies are selling you a false sense of hope is that you are asking for it, they can see the writing on the wall, they know what happens when there is not enough food and people are trying to destabilize the governments, it is all in the history books, and we are at the tipping point again. The far-left will get their wish and we will all suffer for it, they will bath in your blood.
@@JB-wq6yi lol
@@JB-wq6yi sad but true.
@My Info I think there's a commonality between that comment and the film. It's about calling who's hypocrite. It's not about looking for solutions, growing our own food, generating our own power, or severing the power (Wall Street).
J B , I think you meant “bathe in your blood.” I was following you and thinking it was a good comment until you started slinging political name calling. Why is it that so many commenters on social media can only view issues through a partisan lens? I think this is a sign of an enslaved mind. There are many conservatives that support environmental causes.
During the pandemic, we have seen the quality of the air improve with so few cars on the road. Maybe more work from home is needed as we move forward.
Don't be complacent. The Republicans and Trump's FDA, EPA ... are working long hours turning back decades of hard-won environmental regulations - things like allowing power plants to release mercury into the atmosphere, decreasing standards imposed on the auto industry, chemical industry, coal mining etc
Also a rise in depression and suicide, yay greens.
@@barquerojuancarlos7253
"are working long hours turning back decades of hard-won environmental regulations"
Please name me those regulations?
When it comes to left wingers there is only one thing that is factual which is they have no idea whatsoever what actually is in the bills even the ones they advocate for...
Paris climate accord was literally about shiping INDUSTRY TO CHINA and China has literally no regulations whatsoever when it comes to controling CO2 emissions...
"things like allowing power plants to release mercury into the atmosphere"
BS
"decreasing standards imposed on the auto industry"
True but what standards exactly?
Can you be more specific.
How come when a left winger talks he is never specific?
"chemical industry, coal mining etc"
Again give me specifics?
People on the left always make some vauge non-specific arguments. The arguments are great as slogans but as a way to explain something its pretty terrible.
@@timluke8933 what???
They're who you hold accountable forour predicament?? Lol
You're fkng kidding! Please tell me your kidding!
Fractional reserve banking is at the core of the requirement for infinite growth - it ensures that there will always be more debt than capital.
Fractional reserve banking is a myth. Banks do not lend their capital, nor do they lend some multiple of their capital. The problem is the money issuance franchise, guaranteed exclusively to the federal government by the US Constitution, has been outsourced to commercial banks.
This film is incredibly informative and raises extremely relevant questions! Great initiative and it's essential that you continue to reveal the truth!
this pandemic this should teach us a lot where we have failed when it comes to battling ...the climate emergency'
M. Moore
what nonsense !!!
1. covid-19 virus was made in a bio-weapon lab (US subsidized gain of function - traitor fauchi)
2. was released as a bioweapon
3. made into a 'global crisis' by the davos globalist eugenicists (no were near to a pandemic .....prohibiting doctors to remediate the impact of the lab concocted virus with known medication. in order to get emergency approval for and promote harmful DNA-altering test vaccines to hurt the people physically/financially/emotionally.... and put their depopulation agenda into practice !!
"Infinite growth on a finite planet is suicide." Agreed!
Watch COWSPIRACY. Not forcing into existence 100 billion animals on earth just for our taste and fashion habit WILL make a difference.
It's the height of arrogance to say that
Most the world don't even have a decent roof over their heads. The world needs 4 billion good quality homes we only have 2 billion
At least under capatilism we are building ~500 million homes per decade and solving one of the most important issues of our time
It will take another ~30 but most the world's problems will be solved. Housing, sustainable energy production, highly recycling economy. All will be in place in 30-40 years. Can't expect humanity to tend to their garden when they don't even have their housing situation sorted
It is an infinite universe with more materials, space and probably life than we can imagine. Confining ones thoughts to just the earth will destroy nature on it.
@keefie80 ...blame capatilism
@@jase3454 The thing is we don't actually consume any resources we just move atoms around. A car is mostly iron atoms dug out the ground and when we are finished with it is just iron atoms back in the ground
Fossil fuels are finite but materials are not
And fossil fuels are just a stop gap for nuclear and yes mass solar and wind power
Distributed wind or solar on a small scale doesn't work as per the 'documentary' but large scale wind and solar on large grids does work. The UK is proof of this we will be 75% non fossil fuels in our grid within the next 2-3 years and we will continue to deploy offshore wind power to get to 90% non fossil fuels by 2030 in our electricity sector
Planet of the Humans is flawed in several ways, as you show. I think the film nevertheless makes a valuable contribution to the public discourse on environmentalism.
It's main thesis is that modern environmentalism is a failure. It’s a plausible thesis, according to the recent scientific literature on climate change and biodiversity loss. Greenhouse gas emissions are increasing, the planet is getting hotter, and extreme weather events are becoming more frequent and more dangerous. The Earth has lost 50% to 60% of its wild vertebrate numbers in just the past 50 years, with most species declining in numbers, many drastically. Whatever our views on the way forward environmentally, we can probably agree that the status quo isn’t working. Also, that we need more frank public discussion of these matters. Kudos to guys for starting a discussion on what needs to be done.
Critics of the film have noted inaccuracies and outdated information in its treatment of renewable energy. I agree that it gets the importance of quickly transitioning from fossil fuels to renewable energy drastically wrong. But many environmentalists err in the other direction by inflating the benefits of this transition and more importantly, by failing to fit it into a larger context of limiting overall human demands on nature.
Contemporary mainstream environmentalism has degenerated into advocacy of technological solutions to climate change, narrowly understood as a matter of efficient resource use. Environmentalism needs to return to a comprehensive critique of human overpopulation, overconsumption, and overdevelopment - and become a movement aimed at creating societies with fewer people, more protected areas, and economies that support limited numbers of people comfortably rather than ever more people in luxury.
That’s a tall order. But the alternative appears to be continued failure.
Well done. My question is how? My answer is...do we build a "circular economy" based on Cradle to Cradle Certification powered by local and regional renewables so we can then regenerate our biosphere and sequester our industrial carbon emissions...
That documentary is fantastic
We can learn from the older generation, my mom is 88 and she is happy with less, she was raised on a farm and her family grew almost all their food, had a horse pull their plow.
Sounds terrible, tbh
@@jdavis234 having a plow house is a tuff job but if your food supply depends on your horse, he's your best friend. If you decrease your energy, you decrease your food supply. Energy could be your horse, gas, coal, oil or the unreliable sources.
Moore is a millionare.
@@peterstafford4426 the money won't buy much during massive inflation or depression. You still have to know how to survive.
@@lindamartinez6542 Moore is full of crap.
For ppl who don't want to address the issue of climate change head on look at our response to coronavirus
Now imagine our response to a climate disaster
We should work to fix this b4 it becomes a crisis
That's exactly why I'll never support current efforts at climate change. Giving the govt complete control over our lives while doing away with our Bill of Rights is insane. That's racism. The govt is not the answer.
@@olliefoxx7165 Make sure you make the personal changes then, Ollie... Or is this your justification for doing nothing?
@@olliefoxx7165 Not to mention, the democrates wasted time, resources, and money trying to impeach Trump. And what did Nancy Pelosi do when Trump tried to ban travel to China? She encouraged tourism to China and called Trumps travel ban xenophobic. And as a result, New York's coronavirus cases skyrocketed.
@Neil Mo I agree. As someone who doesnt have kids I'm all for doing absolutely nothing and making no sacrifices thus ensuring your children and grandchildren suffer immensely!
According to these guys it already is a crisis, and it has been a crisis for so long thats it too late. Wtf are they still talking then? They keep pushing back there doomsday clock year in and year out. There might be a climate crisis someday, maybe it's right now, but thanks to these people and their Doomsday calender getting pushed back every 5 years they lost credibillity. I'm going to start blaming them pretty soon
This made me think of the comedian George Carlin.
is he the guy who sings "party in the club"?
My life and my future generations lives are precious but The United States government act as though it is they are expendable
Moore is a shill, "climate change" is a banker play to squeeze out the middle class and tighten control on our lives. Carlin was a real populist who saw through the BS, including the greenwashing behind "global warming".
Yes, his "George Carlin Saving The Planet" video on UA-cam is hilarious and brilliant.
I hope you don't mean Carlin's poorly done "The Planet is Fine" bit, in which he lies about Man's role in extinctions and calls environmentalists a bunch of worriers and limousine liberals. He took that too far into cynicism and right-wingers loved it.
So what is it that I do....??? OK, I do use an air conditioner but here's how I use it. First off, I'm 84 years old and heat can be a dangerous thing for me. I have a one bedroom apartment. But I don't use that bedroom to sleep in. In my living room I have my couch and there is a small 5000 btu air conditioner. It's about 7 feet from where I usually sit. As long as I am sitting there it works just fine. That's all the air conditioning that I need. That bedroom, kitchen and bathroom will be hot but so what? I don't spend much time in those rooms and fail to see the necessity to cool that space, it would be wasteful. I sleep on my couch and it's just fine. So even though I have about 600 sq ft I'm only treating about 75 feet of that space. That's one of the things that I do.
Little things add up.
Definitely your film opened my eyes. Still healthcare for all and dark money in politics need addressing too.
Opened your eyes about what? That movie is full of mistakes so i'm curious if it opened your eyes or if it actually made you less informed about what the science says.
Sharon Kritz Dark Money on Netflix is a good series to watch
@@stauffap what does the science say?
@@beste5349 the "science" is bought & paid for by Corporations & special interests. Much like our "regulatory" agencies.
@@katiekane5247 Exactly, scientists mainly work to receive grants from anyone! If they receive grants from Environmental Groups, they will gauge their research to support the environment! If the funding comes from (let's say) the oil companies, the science will support the oil companies!!! Look people there are scientists out there that were supporting the "Flat Earth" groups!!!
A few years ago 600 private jets flew into Davos to discuss climate change..That sums it all up
The nations raged,
but your wrath has come,
and the time.. .. for destroying those who destroy the earth.” Revelation 11:18
Yes George.
Climate Changers are Destroying the Planet for Hard Cash Subsides
What do I NEED...as opposed to what I WANT!!!
this pandemic this should teach us a lot where we have failed when it comes to battling ...the climate emergency'
M. Moore
what nonsense !!!
1. covid-19 virus was made in a bio-weapon lab (US subsidized gain of function - traitor fauchi)
2. was released as a bioweapon
3. made into a 'global crisis' by the davos globalist eugenicists (no were near to a pandemic .....prohibiting doctors to remediate the impact of the lab concocted virus with known medication. in order to get emergency approval for and promote harmful DNA-altering test vaccines to hurt the people physically/financially/emotionally.... and put their depopulation agenda into practice !!
The intolerance that much of the establishment Left - and their media acolytes - have with internecine disagreements illustrates how much these people lack true conviction. If you really cared about getting the right answer, instead of just appearing virtuous and being loyal to your side, you would welcome constructive criticism, at the very least, from those who align with your professed political values. I applaud the filmmakers for having the audacity to disagree with their brethren on the Left.
I agree, except I think that they stopped at correctly identifying some issues .
True. Time is not on the side of humanity.
The world has enough for every man's need, but not for every man's greed. ~ Gandhi
not a truer words
Overpopulation, exponential growth of ANY kind is the heart of the issue, THEN comes the greed factor -- also very real. Patriarchy is woven into all these problems, too. And the wrong-headed understanding of the human species place in Nature and understanding of ourselves and our 'nature'. Child welfare and women's rights are central too.
@@bettinazwerdling1729 overpopulation is an issue, but moreso in "developed nations" if every country consumed like the US, for instance, we'd run out of key resources in less than a decade.
To be GREEN just consume LESS everyday!
...until we can no longer.
Zero waste, vegan, anti consumption. If everyone did this, or did their best to do this, the world would change for the better.
Totally correct!
Spot on Michael Moore. Greed is killing society and the planet.
Phred Flypogger never thought I’d see the day were I was totally on board with what Michael Moore was saying.....but greed is killing this planet.
So the main problem is overpopulated places like China and India. Right?
He five hundred pounds talking about greed and excess 😂🤣😂🤣😂...
What about the "greed" of the billions of poor people, who want to reach the level of living as you. How do we elevate them to a level where they can speak and have time to think about other things than daily bread. They want your job, your life, your fridge, your hot shower.... greedy bastards
@@marktanska6331 Actually, there's plenty of food and money in the world to do that. It is a common misconception, but the rich of the world, have so much wealth that they could easily elevate the whole globe to a humane standard of living with food and shelter. They would still be insanely wealthy. For some reason, people with money don't want you to know this.
Best movie of the year! Unfortunately, it made me cry at the end. What we have done to the Joshua Forest in the West. Just breaks my heart and so much more!
its very misleading film
Most of the information is over 10 years old and represented as current. The solar and wind portion is incredibly outdated.
@@kristyroyce4942 I've read that in several places, and even checked some of the data presented in critiques of the film (I need to see more data on both sides to reach any conclusion though). If it is true that the film's critique of solar, wind and storage systems are based on 10 year old data, they should correct it. But even if it is true, I've not yet seen any critique that points to increased efficiency with biomass & ethanol; nor has any rebuttal I have seen so far claim that the efficiencies gained in the last 10 years with solar, wind & storage can keep apace with ever increasing global population and current consumption patterns. I.E. even if they presented 10 year old data on solar & wind, it does not invalidate their other critiques on technologies like biomass, or their broader socio economic critiques - e.g. production & consumption patterns, exponential population, etc.
"There's no working with the devil here." That's the truth and I don't think people can handle it. People are NOT willing to acknowledge the evil behind our economic system. And people are NOT willing to hear that C-19 is a 2 year pandemic. However, the point that people globally, can actually change their way of life very quickly is a good one and needs to be taught to the masses.
984francis great analysis! 👍🏾
good point
That is a silly argument, typical of Moore. People are willing to change their lives drastically (on a temporary basis) in order to save lives. They are NOT capable of changing their lives completely, in a short span of time, without so many people dying of hunger and the violence that will result from hunger and other shortages, that it will make the coronavirus seem like a minor inconvenience. We will HAVE to go back to "capitalism" once the epidemic recedes: the alternative is starvation and almost certainly war. The sort of savage wars that we haven't seen since the collapse of the Roman Empire. But we MUST set about redesigning our economic and industrial system so that it does not end with the destruction of the environment.
Taught to the masses. You mean indoctrinated to people. A sudden change, like a green NEW deal will cause an outbreak of violence and famine unseen in centuries. Another thing, "what is good for me is not for thee" attitude is why the population will never give up their way of life. Elites and hollywood will continue to travel by plane and limoes. When push comes to shove, as usual, we will find out just how disingenuous these people are in reality because they don't practice what they preach. EVER!!!!!!
@@rudevol8355 The Green New Deal has its heart in the right place...it is a good path to get away from fossil fuel overuse while providing good jobs in the energy sector. But for example, the "Green Movement" has often been opposed thru history to Nuclear Energy. For now, until we progress in science, Nuclear needs to be added in regions where we can do Nuclear into the power grid. Doing this and doing an energy mix of green (solar, wind, hydro). There will be small amount of fossil fuels where we can not avoid it. If we do this, while learning to live by consuming less....this is a path we could be on. We have to be realists and follow the science and the numbers and costs to people. We also must continue to innovate.
Shame on all three of the panel members from the film in completely ignoring the elephant in the room.
Nuclear energy.
I'm a new viewer after seeing you on Joe Rogan's pod cast. Thanks for the honesty.
Who was on Joe Rogan?
5:30 'enough' is the dirtiest word in capitalism
Yet it doesn't exist in socialism
Growth for the continuation of growth is pretty much what cancer does.
To abandon management of industries to aristocrats who only seek profits for themselves & nothing for the rest is madness. To this tragedy we could oppose the truism that industries can be managed by those who work in them. One worker = one vote, industrial democracy on the basis of the needs of workers & consumers.
@@nicolasm400
Oh, like unionism, you mean? Yeah, the first thing the neo-liberalist corporatists managed to dismantle in this country (New Zealand) by bullshitting and misrepresenting what it was and how it worked. "Oh, you can have a personal contract that you've negotiated for yourself". Yeah, look how that turned out.
@Keith Johnson Well there's already a practice of bringing democracy & balance of power into aristocratic workplaces, it's called unions. Starting a new coop would indeed be a " dream job ", just gotta find the money, the idea, the market & the people
Love you, Michael. Thank you so much for your refreshing honesty and sincerity.
After watching this, I was not right for about the next day and a half. I truly appreciate you both Saagar and Krystal for reporting on this elephant in the environmental activist community. Thank you Michael, Jeff, and Ozzy for making this film and shining a spotlight on corrosion that has begun to find its place within the movement. Now the work can begin to address the true problem (consumption and unsustainable unlimited economic growth). Stay true and stay safe everyone!
scoopsmagoo An economic system based on consumption of goods is unsustainable.
Your money or your life, we go to work to “pay for our money with our time” and “ to buy is right “ what an illusion 🌎
Tamar 4272 how do you expect people to eat?
Tamar 4272
Cave men and woman worked to survive. Hunting and gathering. We do our hunting and gathering at the grocery store now. We work and make legal tender to give the store that makes hunting and gathering take 30 minutes instead of all day. It's called trade. Tangible currency is a universal symbol. It represents labor, takes labor to earn it, and can be traded for labor and goods produced by another's labor.
Ever see the explanation of the value of an ounce of gold described by the old prospector in the movie 'Treasure of the Sierra Madre'? It's remarkable and in a way explains how money makes the world go round.
No illusion. In fact, I don't even know what the hell you're talking about. Maybe some silly, 'You can't eat money' Hipster meme/poster.
NELSON X : the illusion of buy buy buy consume consume consume . There’s more to life. The land, water and animals need a break. / The Sierra Madre w. Bogart movie is a classic, it was just on The TCM channel . I just saw it for the 1st time . 👍 funny you mention it
Odum & Odum argued in "A Prosperous Way Down" that we will return to a pre-industrial way of life one way or another (planned or through catastrophe), it's inevitable. I'll add: Stop the debt based economy. No biological entity can grow from intakes from the future, it all has to happen real-time, and by storing resources.
We are past returning to a pre industrial life .
Both growths and sustainability in much of the 2nd and 3rd world depends on industrial scale production of food and medicine .
Lol. I don’t want to split hairs here, but can you spot the logical fallacy in the statement about “economy” that “no biological entity can grow from I takes from the future.”? Anyone? Anyone? Have you ever seen a economy in the wild? What is its natural habitat. Is it male or female? How does it procreate? How many chromosomes does its genome have? I’ll give you an B- for pseudo-poetic creativity, an F for scientific stringency. Our discussions about such scientific issues should be smarter than a few slogans.
Read Ted Kazinsky
All these things are very depressing. I think in the long term the planet will recover but as it should be the human plague will become extinct. We have been a failed species. Let the cockroaches rise up and become the superior species 🪳
if we would all agree on more fun & less stuff perhaps the demand for growth might dissipate...
Yes a value shift is crucial
The American people need political power first. We have none. Our politicians are bought and owned, and our democracy has been a dictatorship of the ruling class since its inception. The only solution is a revolution that changes our economic and political futures, and places power in the people. Oh yeah, a socialist revolution.
@@DD-wx4jc "The only solution is a revolution..." I couldn't agree more. In addition to politicians having been bought and owned we have manipulated elections, politically appointed judiciary, corporate-controlled mass media, and on and on. None of the traditional democratic levers of change remain. It seems the only real power "we the people" have left is the power of numbers in the streets, standing together to demand change. Sustained mass demonstrations of non-violent civil disobedience calling for the overthrow of the corporate oligarchy. Ideally, just as soon as the need for social distancing has been lifted.
Agree! So much of media is wealth porn. The way to kill the beast is to stop buying stuff. Clothes, pillows, stuff! It's insanity that people spend thousands on a purse or shoes.
Value shift is definitely crucial. Even in a socialist system, the only anti-materialist aspect is shortages lol. We've been asking capitalism for stuff, stuff, stuff, more variety, cheaper or more expensive, new features, new designs, new, new, new...and then we complain that we get it.
Just change your values. Change your consumption patterns. Structural change is coming. Influence it by changing YOU.
I watched this documentary, it is an exemplary act of truth telling and courageous reflection on our reality.....not limited by narrow ideologies and stupid PR adjustments.....Kudos to all who made this daring venture possible...Michael, Jeff, Ozzie, and all others worked on this....!!!