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Even after thousands of years of civilization, the Industrial Revolution, the jet age, the space age… sometimes it still just comes down to whacking somebody with a stick
I should mention this stuff is very ineffective. It’s based off fencing and bayonet fighting. Weapons that are much longer. It’s like using greatsword techniques with a dagger.
@@someguy892 the issue is that these techniques are used for piercing and slashing weapons. and its using a blunt weapon. they would be better looking up mace or club fighting styles.there are styles for stick fighting. this isnt it
Maybe it could be because these are designed for law enforcement use, where only an appropriate level of force is utilised to detain someone. I believe I saw another video of these where they mentioned using just the right amount of force at weak points of a person. I think this also explains why the batons aren't allowed to be weighted at the tips. But that's just what I speculate.
Old wood broom handles are often eucalyptus, which is a tough strong wood. Saw off an ash shovel handle or a hickory axe handle, and you'll have quite a truncheon.
Actually there would be only one strike needed for a knee/elbowlock (on the side of the knee where they aim with the modern telescopic toys). Things does not go like in the movies so i would say that these old materials appear to teach officers "whatever you do - allways keep your shootinghand occupied". I would not take a stick into a gunfight or take the risk trying to swing at the pistol being pointed at me. That guy would have six slugs in his system before getting on a swinging range of a suspect.
The days when only a gunshot was deadly force. Taught some of these strikes at MSG school. school and one embassy had the cheap military sticks. 2d post had the LAPD sticks. A much better tool.
Because its ineffective unless you want to be breaking wristbones, collarbones, knee, elbow joints, crack skulls, jaw, ribs which basically counts as deadly force in the US, which is not in line with how police are trained to use it, that is as an intermediate tool using pain compliance. If it comes to that, the use of a gun is warranted, backed up by a taser or another less lethal option. Why risk getting into a melee fight with someone with a bat, knife, etc. Lots of times 2-3 shots centre mass is enough to out a guy down and send him to the hospital.
@@percivalconcord9209 No, they still teach this, causing pain and breaking bones from joints is still taught as less than lethal and only attacks to the solar plexus and kidney are reclassified as deadly force now. Attacks to the head have always been considered lethal. Police now don't use batons because of image: the heavy batons that are effective to subdue with one hit to the leg are considered "scary" and were swapped for collapsible batons that are hidden until deployed. Because modern batons have too little mass, when used they require many hits that damage the skin but do not cause paralyzing pain and don't break bones easily. The officer ends up beating the skin black and blue (say, 15 hits with the baton) before the person being beaten stops because of muscle pain. That leads to police brutality charges and now they avoid the collapsible batons and skip from taser to gun. Some police department still use heavy batons. They still break bones and they get cleared by the courts from police brutality charges because they usually hit only once or twice. If they hit several times they can get in trouble but the heavy baton helps with not needing several tries.
@@umbrel Also serves as a very, VERY efficient melee weapon. Let's say, your service gun jammed or broke, and you need a weapon NOW, a baton can be very handy, one hit and the assailant is down. Very useful as a melee weapon for police use. This use is very well proven by police forces in my country, as criminals often times here engage in melee combat, and these sticks make them wish for jail time, and trust me when I say that, american "gangsters" are harmless compared to my country's bandits
They still teach this, causing pain and breaking bones from joints is still taught as less than lethal and only attacks to the solar plexus and kidney are reclassified as deadly force now. Attacks to the head have always been considered lethal. Police now don't use batons because of image: the heavy batons that are effective to subdue with one hit to the leg are considered "scary" and were swapped for collapsible batons that are hidden until deployed. Because modern batons have too little mass, when used they require many hits that damage the skin but do not cause paralyzing pain and don't break bones easily. The officer ends up beating the skin black and blue (say, 15 hits with the baton) before the person being beaten stops because of muscle pain. That leads to police brutality charges and now they avoid the collapsible batons and skip from taser to gun (the taser is used instead of the baton). Some police department still use heavy batons. They still break bones and they get cleared by the courts from police brutality charges because they usually hit only once or twice. If they hit several times they can get in trouble but the heavy baton helps with not needing several tries.
Because some of these techniques don't work anymore Because collapsed batons are shorter and the idea your going to win a fight with a guy who has a gun and all you have is a glorified stick is a joke a tazer can be more useful in some situations also more people use dedley force on cops so a gun is a better idea thay have just as much rights to defend themselves as we do also the mainstream media makes it seem like cops are trigger happy when that is far from the truth.
Even after thousands of years of civilization, the Industrial Revolution, the jet age, the space age… sometimes it still just comes down to whacking somebody with a stick
😂
old documentaries always more educating and... funny
Ah yes the good old days of Justice and strong men.
I should mention this stuff is very ineffective. It’s based off fencing and bayonet fighting. Weapons that are much longer. It’s like using greatsword techniques with a dagger.
What about a really long baton?Kind of like a short staff.
@@someguy892 the issue is that these techniques are used for piercing and slashing weapons. and its using a blunt weapon. they would be better looking up mace or club fighting styles.there are styles for stick fighting. this isnt it
Maybe it could be because these are designed for law enforcement use, where only an appropriate level of force is utilised to detain someone. I believe I saw another video of these where they mentioned using just the right amount of force at weak points of a person. I think this also explains why the batons aren't allowed to be weighted at the tips. But that's just what I speculate.
Great now I know how to effectively beat someone up with a broom handle
lol
Old wood broom handles are often eucalyptus, which is a tough strong wood. Saw off an ash shovel handle or a hickory axe handle, and you'll have quite a truncheon.
Love this! Awesome techniques.
Actually there would be only one strike needed for a knee/elbowlock (on the side of the knee where they aim with the modern telescopic toys). Things does not go like in the movies so i would say that these old materials appear to teach officers "whatever you do - allways keep your shootinghand occupied". I would not take a stick into a gunfight or take the risk trying to swing at the pistol being pointed at me. That guy would have six slugs in his system before getting on a swinging range of a suspect.
I think Sgt Koga of LAPD did a lot to make the police baton a useful tool.
The days when only a gunshot was deadly force. Taught some of these strikes at MSG school. school and one embassy had the cheap military sticks. 2d post had the LAPD sticks. A much better tool.
Nice job 👍
The baton can be used to disarm different types of suspects. Why don't police academies teach this to new recruits anymore?
Because its ineffective unless you want to be breaking wristbones, collarbones, knee, elbow joints, crack skulls, jaw, ribs which basically counts as deadly force in the US, which is not in line with how police are trained to use it, that is as an intermediate tool using pain compliance.
If it comes to that, the use of a gun is warranted, backed up by a taser or another less lethal option. Why risk getting into a melee fight with someone with a bat, knife, etc. Lots of times 2-3 shots centre mass is enough to out a guy down and send him to the hospital.
@@percivalconcord9209 No, they still teach this, causing pain and breaking bones from joints is still taught as less than lethal and only attacks to the solar plexus and kidney are reclassified as deadly force now. Attacks to the head have always been considered lethal. Police now don't use batons because of image: the heavy batons that are effective to subdue with one hit to the leg are considered "scary" and were swapped for collapsible batons that are hidden until deployed.
Because modern batons have too little mass, when used they require many hits that damage the skin but do not cause paralyzing pain and don't break bones easily. The officer ends up beating the skin black and blue (say, 15 hits with the baton) before the person being beaten stops because of muscle pain. That leads to police brutality charges and now they avoid the collapsible batons and skip from taser to gun.
Some police department still use heavy batons. They still break bones and they get cleared by the courts from police brutality charges because they usually hit only once or twice. If they hit several times they can get in trouble but the heavy baton helps with not needing several tries.
@@umbrel I see.
@@umbrel Also serves as a very, VERY efficient melee weapon.
Let's say, your service gun jammed or broke, and you need a weapon NOW, a baton can be very handy, one hit and the assailant is down. Very useful as a melee weapon for police use. This use is very well proven by police forces in my country, as criminals often times here engage in melee combat, and these sticks make them wish for jail time, and trust me when I say that, american "gangsters" are harmless compared to my country's bandits
@@elvispresley2284 You don’t seem to know what you’re talking about lol.
BRING THESE BACK!
They never left, just nowadays most of them are collapsible ASP types.
The U.S. military still uses the full-sized wooden ones for Riot Control.
@@ScoutSniper3124 even the collapsible ones are banned in some states
Que buenos policias
nice tutorial
👍🏼good vid😁 I was wondering how they did the lanyard above the grip.
This video is now referred to at the Rodney King Remedial Baton Training Instruction Film.
👍👍
Good defencesive weapon...blocking device
Interesting how batons were back then.
Or ya know u can use it like a base ball bat and strike at the damn ribs hah but fr good way to teach copa
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Makes me wonder what these guys are doing nower days if they are still alive.
What year is this from?
Any information on the year and original source of this film?
10:29 😂
Im sure that got used a lot!
This is an LAPD film. The uniform is from LA, not SF
Perfect in dealing with Antifa training video. Most baton or expandable baton training videos are PC to avoid lawsuits. This will get the job done.
Fascists can also get wood shampoo, pal .
Police are mean to us. 😢
aww
Liberal tears
Delicious
Fake-Darth-Vader Channel ok bootlicker
@@willwingate5057, ok sheep
why aren't these techniques still used today? everything is tazer or gun.
some still do use it but now they rely on tasers
They still teach this, causing pain and breaking bones from joints is still taught as less than lethal and only attacks to the solar plexus and kidney are reclassified as deadly force now. Attacks to the head have always been considered lethal.
Police now don't use batons because of image: the heavy batons that are effective to subdue with one hit to the leg are considered "scary" and were swapped for collapsible batons that are hidden until deployed.
Because modern batons have too little mass, when used they require many hits that damage the skin but do not cause paralyzing pain and don't break bones easily. The officer ends up beating the skin black and blue (say, 15 hits with the baton) before the person being beaten stops because of muscle pain. That leads to police brutality charges and now they avoid the collapsible batons and skip from taser to gun (the taser is used instead of the baton).
Some police department still use heavy batons. They still break bones and they get cleared by the courts from police brutality charges because they usually hit only once or twice. If they hit several times they can get in trouble but the heavy baton helps with not needing several tries.
Because some of these techniques don't work anymore Because collapsed batons are shorter and the idea your going to win a fight with a guy who has a gun and all you have is a glorified stick is a joke a tazer can be more useful in some situations also more people use dedley force on cops so a gun is a better idea thay have just as much rights to defend themselves as we do also the mainstream media makes it seem like cops are trigger happy when that is far from the truth.
booboomndz
who play gta ?
Dis why we don't need no polease
Mistuh polease man hit cuz i gots drug
But we do need dictionaries
@@mississippihiker545 pipe down hill billy
@@williamjones6053 your reply is absolute proof positive of what I said . More spelling errors.
D. A. N.
@@williamjones6053as someone from the hills, that term is our n word, with less meanint