I've owned my Atari Jaguar CD unit for over 20 years and never had any issues! I believe most issues are due to mishandling of the unit. I purchased mine from Go Atari in 02. Battlemorph is a terrific title. Skylar only makes an appearance when she has something to say and is not the annoyance she is in Cybermorph. Primal rage is fun with two players and two pro controllers. Protector Resurgence adds a lot to the awesome Protector. Hover Strike: Unconquered Lands is an underrated title that is much better than Hover Strike. Baldies, Blue Lightning and Dragon's Lair are also fun. An unlicensed Gorf is also available for the Jaguar and is another nice title to have if you own a Jaguar CD player.
I do enjoy the decent games as well as the terrific Battlemorph and Iron Soldier II. Be sure to get a memory track cart for save states. I also enjoy the built in VLM, a full featured music visualizer. I yet to find another music visualizer I enjoy more than the VLM built into the Jaguar CD player. Both Dragons Lair and Braindead 13 are fun laserdisc titles. Though I don't own World Tour Racing, I hear it's a solid racer. The Jaguar CD player is a super rare piece of gaming history that I've enjoyed owning and will continue to enjoy with the development of new homebrew games.
Yeah the unreliable Jaguar CD is a trendy trope Mine outlasted PC CDs. PS2's a couple times over. And you can still buy new laser mechanisms. Watching her vids its clear she is only half real half drama for clicks. She is trying to be AVGN with boobs. And its Blue Lighting not Blue Thunder lady.
I haven't fired up my Jaguar CD in a couple years but I never had any issues with it working. Looking at the prices working ones are going for on E-Bay makes it tempting to sell it but then my Jaguar would be all alone without his little buddy.
@@Genethagenius About 6 or 7 years ago I was at a conference for work and talking to a colleague about retro games. He said he had a big box of stuff he didn't want and I could have it if I paid for the shipping. There was a Virtual Boy, Sega Master System, Sega Saturn, Dreamcast, PS1, and a Jaguar with CD in the box along with a bunch of games for all of them. I had to replace the laser on the Saturn but I think shipping was $75 or so and the Jaguar has always worked (just needed the AV adapter) so it was still quite the score.
I remember playing Highlander a lot with a friend that owned a JagCD and it didn't feel nearly as bad as people say it is. Back then we compensated for shit-controllers and horrendous camera systems much more than we can now.
I wanted a jag when I was a kid. idk why, I guess it seemed like it was going to be amazing lol. If they built a miniconsole I'd check it out but otherwise I'm content watching videos on it.
@@gordonshumway7465 That's why I have issues with a lot of people. If you hear someone complaining or trashing a game, or system. Ask if they played one or that specific one. I've been attacked for calling people out who praise AVGN's word and never touched games he has shit on.
Good video, but just wanted to add 2 things. First is that the Jaguar CD was a backup design. Phillips and another CD drive manufacturer promised to supply CD drives for the first Jaguar release but at the last moment broke their arrangement and decided to throw the drives into the trash piles (you may know the trash piles as the "CDi"). Plus Atari themselves cut the development of the Jaguar main processors short anyway, which was part 2 of the disaster. The second thing I wanted to mention was that when I bought my brother a new Jaguar CD there were no problems, and Tempest 2000 is still one of the world's best games, but I don't believe there was a reliability problem with the CD drive, if you want to talk about that the first Sony Playstation has catastrophic drive failures due to design. I believe the problem with the Jaguar CD is the fragile construction. Few used units today have the protective packaging designed to protect the unit originally, and if i remember that cardboard coffin tray in that big empty box was awful. if they had used soft foam or styrofoam I bet many of the original units would still work. Also if you ship one of those units to another country I expect it will shake itself to pieces along the way. So the Jaguar CD addon problem was it was not robust because it was never supposed to exist in the first place and Atari, being short on funds, ended up finding the cheapest solution to the very last problem they would ever work on. Oh and Iron Soldier 2 was a lot of fun too, but hey you can buy IS3 on the Playstation 1 and that game actually has textures.
One only thing I used my Jaguar CD for was to play CDs. Its ability to "visually play" music on your TV was quite remarkable, and better than any consoles of the time.
I still have both my Jaguar and Jaguar CD. Had them since 1998 and I have kept them both in good condition. Not the best console ever, but it had it's moments.
Ah the Jag CD - some good games, like Iron Soldier 2. However, it should probably have been a stand-alone console. I had 2 Jag CDs which worked just fine - sold 1 to cover the cost of both, and then the other went (along with the Jag) to help cover the costs of moving
@@thefurthestmanfromhome1148 Wow really? Makes me wish they would have delayed the console for at least another year. Maybe that a little more RAM and imagine what could have been.
I've watched many reviews of this system on so many other channels and this one is one of my favorites it's so indepth and very well written and beautifully produced thanks for sharing this video with us all
I bought my Jaguar CD about 15 years ago, I bought it refurbished from the actual place that did warranty work for Atari. $150 back then for all replacement new parts. Still works like a champ today!
I suspect that the PC Engine/TurboGrafx-16 CD add-on was likely the most successful games media add-on in industry history. They claim to have sold about 2 million CD units in Japan alone, and I'm not sure if that includes PC Engine Duo units (that came with an integrated CD-ROM drive). The Famicom Disk System likely sold more total units, but the ratio between PC Engine and CD will almost certainly have been better than the ratio of Famicom to Famicom Disk Systems.
I worked in video games at the time and Atari asked my company to port one of our games on to the Jag CD. When asked how many Jag CD units they where going to sell they told us 2 million, I do love optimism but they'd have to sell 1,850 000 to people that didn't even have a Jaguar.
I remember when AVGN tried reviewing the Jaguar CD and he couldn't get one that actually worked. Was there no quality control at all at Atari? Given the embarrassingly awful Jaguar pack-in game, Cybermorph, they clearly didn't invest much in game testers. It's such a shame that Atari fell so far. The Lynx was actually pretty awesome, and I never understood why it couldn't compete with the ugly monochrome Game Boy, which I think is the most overrated system ever. 😕
The Lynx was good but you'd be lucky to get 2 hours out of new batteries. It literally needed an AC adapter, which took the portability out of it. That's a big reason why Nintendo went with the Game Boy design with the technology at the time.
@@Epic_C To be fair that was a common issue of anything with a back lit colour lcd screen. Speaking as an owner of both a Lynx II and a Sega Game Gear. The 'technology' of the Gameboy was a super low res lcd which wasn't back-lit.
@The Buffed Novelist It's more of a design issue. The mechanism that drives the spindle is prone to going out of alignment. The travel limit switches for the laser transport are very cheap and prone to failure. In addition, if powered up while not fully plugged into the Jaguar, the JagCD's electronics will be damaged. Essentially, every part of it has flaws that cause it to fail over time.
@@Epic_C Yep. Exactly. It’s hard to blame parents in the 90s who went with Game Boy over Lynx when batteries would last a lot longer in the Game Boy. Rechargeable battery tech wasn’t nearly as good or inexpensive as it is now. Gunpey Yokoi was right that sometimes it’s better to work with existing tech in new ways rather than being cutting edge. The GB had some really great games, in spite of those limitations.
Mine works fine. It’s a standard Phillips CD pickup and there’s nothing wrong with it’s design whatsoever. They were used years before the Jag CD and years after. The reason they break is because they use a magnetic lockdown and people try and snap the CD on like a PlayStation. This ends up putting the drive out of alignment.
Atari failed with this system because there were a lot of magazine reviewers out at the time who (for various reasons) just spouted phony rumors and insults until it became chic to dump of the system with nonsensical "facts" that had no basis in reality. Apparently, whoever wrote the script for these videos got all their research from these reviews (probably sourced through Wikipedia), and didn't really bother to talk to anyone who worked for Atari or developed for their systems to learn about the system.
My original model Xbox 360 never once suffered a red ring of death. Therefore there was nothing wrong with this model and the RRoD problem was a myth. Your logic.
@@zephyr8072 but it’s largely just improper handling of the CD transport, it isn’t really a manufacturing defect. Some have bad caps by now but it’s a 27 year old unit. You can usually easily fix the broken ones by replacing the transport which is still available for roughly $20. You really can’t fault the use of the mechanism, it’s reliable in plenty of products. People were simply used to the snap down mechanisms in the other consoles by the time these started being bought up. I just don’t see how Atari is at fault for choosing this particular transport, it will last ages if treated well.
@@yrly59e Several people who have handled these units and failed to fix them or fixed them only temporarily prove you wrong. It is not just the CD transport. There are various mechanisms on it that are prone to failure particularly the contacts between itself and the Jaguar console.
"Several people have dropped their XBOX 360 off a table and it didn't work after that. Therefore there must be various mechanisms that are prone to failure."
The Atari Jaguar CD-Rom is so rare it's almost unbelievable. A maximum of 25000 pieces were produced. I'm from Germany and could have gotten one for 90 euros in the early 2000s. Unfortunately I didn't buy it because I've already bought a few Atari Jaguar games and didn't want to spend that much money. Nowadays I could really resent myself for being so stingy. The great game Battlemorph or the Virtual Light machine alone are worth buying an Atari Jaguar CD-ROM.
So rare to see them up close 😉 Really enjoy your videos, you make them fun and give great details, must take a lot of effort. I'm always on the lookout for something wierd or rare to play, knowing how it came about makes it that much cooler. Thank you for what you do.
I remember see these at Circuit City waaayy back in the day as a kid and how everyone in the 90s were obsessed with how many bits a system had. We used to argue and debate if the PSX was ACTUALLY weaker or stronger the the N64 or Saturn. I think the Jaguar, 3DO, and CDi really shows a game company needs to be lead by people who actually play games. You can tell just by looking at the controllers of these systems that they don't play games at all. INTERSTELLAR Main Theme Guitar ua-cam.com/video/xfB4Ez9IaI0/v-deo.html Killing Arasaka... | Cyberpunk 2077 Rebel Path Guitar MV ua-cam.com/video/X3_JrXwr4k0/v-deo.html Alucard and Trevor Battle Baroque Guitar MV (Lost Cathedral) ua-cam.com/video/KyBRZSNjIFs/v-deo.html
My lid switch is broken on mine but it still works if a stack a few books on top to hold the lid down which is not bad for being a 27 year old cheaply made device. I thought it had potential to compete with PSX and Saturn but Atari simply gave up on it too early. Battlemorph was a nice upgrade over Cybermorph and the CD version is the preferred way to play Hoverstrike. There's a Protector Resurgence CD from Songbird Productions that works in tandem with the Protector SE cartridge so this feature actually did happen. I thought it looked more like a spaceship as opposed to a toilet.
Woah nerdy metal mum! Nice new video features! Loving the transitions and window borders! As always, many congrats on the continued success of your channel! Still growing and speeding towards 100k!!!!! :)
The home brew community makes me think that Analogue should get to work on a one piece, structurally sound reproduction of the Atari Jaguar CD. They've made a lot of other reproduction consoles and it seems they do good work.
cool video! never played it or regular Jag.. Genesis and SNES were still wicked popular in 95 .. Most kids and young adults were gonna stick with our Segas and maybe get a PS1 or hold out a year or two lol.. i always laughed at the whacky prices of Jag, 3DO , Neo Geo and Phillips CDI back then even as a kid .. some systems were higher than computer prices back then i couldn't understand it to be honest.
although I enjoy your videos, Lady Decade, I have to say that i kind of find this video to be incredibly misleading to the Jaguar CD. After having mine for 2 years it still functions and works exactly as it was intended and disks have ran flawlessly. I realize that they're rare and do often require parts but I am also finding that this video is incredibly biased. Not to say this as a fan, but I feel you're not giving the CD Addon the credit that is due. Primal Rage is a fantastic port, sound qaulity is great, world racing tour is amazing, Battlemorph outdoes itself, the Hover Strike and Iron Soldier 2 port does itself justice, Blue Lightning is actually very well done as a tech demonstration and there are also some decent minor games like Baldies and Myst on the system too.
I don't think she was misleading at all, and I'm pretty sure she did her research before making this video. You probably just got very lucky with your Jaguar CD. Perhaps you got one of the last ones made and by then they had fixed the issues it had? All I know is that everything she said about the console are the same things I've heard about it. As for the games, she was mostly documenting the hardware. She didn't really say anything negative or positive about them (except for Highlander), which makes sense if she's never played them.
She owns one, I believe 2 owners can have different experiences. Let's take the Genesis model 2. I have never in my life seen one that has a working reset button, but other people have only seen them that work
Guys don't get me wrong. I'm not bashing her. But in my experience within the Jag community and the hardware I have this video just feels like a hate response to the CD. If that's her opinion, that's fine. I'm not going to be a holier than thou person. But I really feel like she dropped the ball on this one.
Yep extremely bias, fair enough, it was an overall failure but it obviously had some decent playable games, which she either neglected to mention or just bash those too, hardly impartial, seems like she just wanted to entertain, rather than give an impartial review.
Yep, almost everything in this video is wrong sadly, as it was in her previous Jaguar video. I have made several Jaguar/Jaguar CD videos on my channel to try and correct this somewhat.
Jaguar CD is a very weirdly designed console. They had some neat ideas. But that game library was unique. You're right, Lady Decade, its design definitely resembles the royal throne.
The Jaguar Duo...haha, actually, instead of Sega's 2-in-1 consoles, that reminds me more of the PC Engine CD, or the Turbo Duo in America. NEC seem to be the odd company out in the console wars, doing good business in Japan if not elsewhere. And their library of games was comparable, if not superior to the Sega CD and especially the Jaguar. All I know is that I wanted a Turbo Duo so badly when I was a kid, and I remember the games consistently getting good ratings.
I noticed a mistake, the Atari company that was sold to WMS Industries was not Atari Corporation, but rather, Atari Games, and these two companies have nothing to do with each other. Atari Games was the arcade division.
It’s nice having an English lady doing a Video Game channel 😊😊 a refreshing change from all the English/American gents. I’ve not heard the word “trollop” in years….sigh…
Why are people defending the Jaguar CD, it was a trash system? They might like it, but the cost, number of games released, failure rate, lack of sales all show that as a console at that time, it was awful.
Yep, it was a stupid idea due to the reasons you mentioned in the video. The all-in-one console should have been released instead of just the add-on, but it wouldn't have mattered. In 1995, it was all about the PS1 (and Saturn if you live in Japan.) They had no chance at that point (cue Vince McMahon's entrance theme.)
@@Shinmsl It could have been a success to some degree, but the hardware issues and lack of support did it in. If it had some consistently good exclusive 3D titles, it might have done okay against Sony for a couple of years. Then they could have released the Jaguar 2 and maybe kept it going.
To state I'm sure what many already have, the Jaguar was likely the equal of at least the Saturn IF THE DEVELOPER KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING and like with most of these things, a lot of the capabilities of the developer depends on the kind of development tools the creator of the hardware can provide.
Exactly not to mention if the Jaguar itself failed it was obvious it's CD attachment failed. I love this channel but thought this video was kind of pointless.
Here's what never made sense to me. They bundled in the soundtrack to Tempest 2000. They had plans to combine CD with Carts in some way. Why didn't they take one of the games that was actually a hit on the system, that people bought the console for, that didn't have a soundtrack, like say... oh, I don't know DOOM! And using the CD add on working with the cart give Doom on Jaguar the soundtrack it should have had. Hell, even go a step further and re-record the soundtrack with actual instruments since it's CD and have the definitive home console version and arguably the best version period. But no. Atari gotta Atari and do stupid stuff instead. Like make Highlander. It hurts my brain to think about it. Sure it still would have been garbage, but from a purely marketing point of view it's like they didn't have a marketing point of view.
@@skylined5534You're pretty wrong on that, I never owned one myself, for good reasons, but I played them frequently, as my buddy owned a well-known game shop specialised in imports in the 90s and sold quite a few Jaguars and other rare stuff like the Neo Geo. He obviously had them all setup in his man-cave at home. The console itself was pretty ok, but the CD+add-on sucked ballz in every aspect (too little too late), especially in the reliability department. I believe he even stopped selling the CD-units *within a year* due to all the warranty claims.
Never understood why they made an add on to a system that didn't sell well at all, the main problem with the system is it did not offer anything better than the 16-bit rivals at all in all honesty it was a big heaping pile of crap
I remember seeing a video about that years ago. I'll be damned if can find it again. But yes, some dental equipment company bought the unused Jaguar shells and repurposed them for their own products.
No, you didn't. A dental equipment supplier bought the molds for the cases for a dental camera system they were designing, and they made exactly 7 prototypes of the system, which was never released to the market.
@@Acorn0005 I'll have to get a picture of it next time, or have my wife get a picture being that she more likely to go there before I will in 6 months. They were not in every room but it looked just like a jaguar just painted white and had tools hanging from it with one of the tools having a wire running from it to the box itself. You have no idea wtf I saw Playa. That's one hell of a coincidence isn't it? I'm just lying and pulling stuff from my azz. Carry on, know it all.
Have had mine for 20yrs. I think I paid $100 then. CIB with maybe 8 hours of use to now. Still worked fine when I checked it 4yrs ago. Only issue is some early carts are not compatible for some reason.
I bought one new back in the day. I got my $50 worth, especially after buying Iron Soldier 2! Amazing game for the time. No issues (though my gaming time has been a rarity for past 10yrs & haven't turned it on for a while).
I’m shocked at hearing the CD drive was so faulty and even more shocked at the prices the base unit goes for! I’ve not yet researched the CD add on… I’ve had mine for many years and it worked without issues but the games where nothing that interested me so they just collected dust! I’ll have to dig out the cords to test it someday after my cat knocking the system behind my entertainment system cabinet 😅
Tells me, maybe add-ons aren't a good idea; maybe they should've been whole new separate systems. Like the Sega CD - maybe the Sega CD should've been a whole system by itself. It did seem to operate like it was half a system attached to something else. So it seemed to operate more shoddily because of that. I know some people use to bang on it to get it to work. Attaching something new to something old isn't a good idea either. Needs to be completely new, hence advancement. Wanted ta say somethin'... By the way, when I said '16-Bit Version of The Legend of Zelda', I meant the 16-Bit Remake of the first Zelda on NES. There was a 16-Bit Remake of the first Zelda exclusively for Satellaview (if I spelt that right). Would like to play that myself 🙂
I never had a Jaguar system because at the time it was too expensive. Most of us did the math and realized that it was just not a viable option. It didn't have enough games to warrant buying it and didn't last long enough to make it an option
For all the vids of 32 and 64 bit consoles I feel like we all owe you steak and ice cream or whatever the equivalent is in your home. Because these vids are steak and ice cream.
Actually the reason why the Jaguar didn't do well was because of the stupid number digit controller. I mean, its supposed to be competing against the SNES, Genesis, PS1, but did these other consoles have number pads on their controllers? Just think if the PS1 had a big ass number pad on the controller, everyone would have thought that Sony were out of their minds. So the number pad was just a huge mistake and didn't help the Jaguar at all. They needed a better shaped controller, heck even a 6 button Sega Genesis controller adapter would have been better than the original Jaguar controller. And what really are you going to do with that number pad, play games with it? Yeah, right. It's more like you need to call for help because someone sold you a terrible controller.
Atari's mindset was still stuck in the early 80's. If you look back to the Colecovision, Intellivision and others, number pads were all the rage.... for some reason. Could never understand why basic ass looking games needed number pads. Like. who were they kidding with that!?!
Bought the JAG CD day one and today it runs with zero problems. Own every cartridge and CD released for the system. There are some really bad games (like all systems have) but many are good.
The green cybermorph 'where did you learn to fly' is a voice prompt that is rare to hear. you'd know this if you played the game. And it controls fine.
A British designer named Yak you say, I like this man. Also Aaahhckchtuley a water closest is the cupboard you walk into and not the toilet itself. Never seen a Cybiko before dood.
Atari Games Corp was acquired by WMS industries in 96. Atari Games Corp was the maker of arcade games under the Atari Label from 84 till its ending. The company that made the jaguar, Atari Corporation merged with hardrive maker JTS before being acquired by Hasbro. Atari Inc was the company that existed before 84 where the home console, computer, and arcade divisions were one. After 84 Warner Brothers sold the arcade division to a company that became Atari Games Corp, And the rights to all old arcade games, computers and home consoles became Atari Corporation. This is how you end up with the situation where Tengen Games on the NES could not use the atari name in marketing as Atari Corporation had exclusive rights to the use of the tradmark in home console games.
I gotta watch AVGN take on this for the 20th time or so. Good old James, what a shame that his channel went down the drain. One day I will LEARN TO FLY
I think most people are not understanding what she was saying. Yes, there are a-lot of working functioning units and if you take care of it, it will work for years and years to come but back then, people didn't take care of their game systems which would cause the CD addon to stop working. It was poorly developed plain and simple. Excellent video.
Ummm....not to defend Cybermorph but comparing either game to Star Fox really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. One game is completely on a rail while the other is open. Not to mention, both Cybermorph games hold a far better frame rate.
Nice video I got a funny story I had a buddy that used to have one of these Atari jaguars here in Texas and he had to throw it away because his baby brother mistook it for a toilet so he had to throw it away
@@skylined5534 well someone or something can still fail and leave an everlasting impression (mostly during its prime years). Failing in this context simply means the company isn't doing well financially or sustainable or being competitive/innovative.
At this rate, Atari should be developing for IKEA and Walmart. I can just imagine, Atari branded toilets. There’s probably people out there that would buy it just because it has the Atari label. So when you go to over to your friends house, your friend says hey if you need to use the Atari, it’s in that room.
Because: 1) It was an add-on. 2) It was an add-on for the Atari Jaguar. 3) It was an add-on for the Atari Jaguar that didn't work right. 4) It looked like a toilet.
I've owned my Atari Jaguar CD unit for over 20 years and never had any issues! I believe most issues are due to mishandling of the unit. I purchased mine from Go Atari in 02. Battlemorph is a terrific title. Skylar only makes an appearance when she has something to say and is not the annoyance she is in Cybermorph. Primal rage is fun with two players and two pro controllers. Protector Resurgence adds a lot to the awesome Protector. Hover Strike: Unconquered Lands is an underrated title that is much better than Hover Strike. Baldies, Blue Lightning and Dragon's Lair are also fun. An unlicensed Gorf is also available for the Jaguar and is another nice title to have if you own a Jaguar CD player.
I do enjoy the decent games as well as the terrific Battlemorph and Iron Soldier II. Be sure to get a memory track cart for save states. I also enjoy the built in VLM, a full featured music visualizer. I yet to find another music visualizer I enjoy more than the VLM built into the Jaguar CD player. Both Dragons Lair and Braindead 13 are fun laserdisc titles. Though I don't own World Tour Racing, I hear it's a solid racer. The Jaguar CD player is a super rare piece of gaming history that I've enjoyed owning and will continue to enjoy with the development of new homebrew games.
Homebrew community is really helping the library. Mine has been modded to play burnt games as well.
I'm jealous. I have had the jag since the 90s but no jag cd. I want one but the price tag is a little hard to swallow.
Yeah the unreliable Jaguar CD is a trendy trope Mine outlasted PC CDs. PS2's a couple times over.
And you can still buy new laser mechanisms.
Watching her vids its clear she is only half real half drama for clicks. She is trying to be AVGN with boobs.
And its Blue Lighting not Blue Thunder lady.
I think negative reviews of the CD addon is a bunch of garbage . Same as the controller . I had a CD addon BARELY . They were had to get .
I haven't fired up my Jaguar CD in a couple years but I never had any issues with it working. Looking at the prices working ones are going for on E-Bay makes it tempting to sell it but then my Jaguar would be all alone without his little buddy.
Same here. I keep mine just for the VLM
Did you get yours back when it was released or later as a collector?
@@Genethagenius About 6 or 7 years ago I was at a conference for work and talking to a colleague about retro games. He said he had a big box of stuff he didn't want and I could have it if I paid for the shipping. There was a Virtual Boy, Sega Master System, Sega Saturn, Dreamcast, PS1, and a Jaguar with CD in the box along with a bunch of games for all of them. I had to replace the laser on the Saturn but I think shipping was $75 or so and the Jaguar has always worked (just needed the AV adapter) so it was still quite the score.
@@Genethagenius released
I think you mean his deformed, Siamese twin.
I remember playing Highlander a lot with a friend that owned a JagCD and it didn't feel nearly as bad as people say it is. Back then we compensated for shit-controllers and horrendous camera systems much more than we can now.
My Jaguar CD is still working fine and in mint condition, picked it up a few years ago 😊 However I'm mostly using the Jaguar GameDrive to preserve it.
I wanted a jag when I was a kid. idk why, I guess it seemed like it was going to be amazing lol.
If they built a miniconsole I'd check it out but otherwise I'm content watching videos on it.
The whole "LOL Jag CDs break" is so overblown. People just repeat things they read on the Internet. That's what this entire video is.
@@gordonshumway7465 That's why I have issues with a lot of people. If you hear someone complaining or trashing a game, or system. Ask if they played one or that specific one.
I've been attacked for calling people out who praise AVGN's word and never touched games he has shit on.
Alright Old Man Withers, it’s time for you and the other 3 remaining Jaguar fanboys to go back to the care home.
@@gordonshumway7465 exactly
Good video, but just wanted to add 2 things. First is that the Jaguar CD was a backup design. Phillips and another CD drive manufacturer promised to supply CD drives for the first Jaguar release but at the last moment broke their arrangement and decided to throw the drives into the trash piles (you may know the trash piles as the "CDi"). Plus Atari themselves cut the development of the Jaguar main processors short anyway, which was part 2 of the disaster. The second thing I wanted to mention was that when I bought my brother a new Jaguar CD there were no problems, and Tempest 2000 is still one of the world's best games, but I don't believe there was a reliability problem with the CD drive, if you want to talk about that the first Sony Playstation has catastrophic drive failures due to design. I believe the problem with the Jaguar CD is the fragile construction. Few used units today have the protective packaging designed to protect the unit originally, and if i remember that cardboard coffin tray in that big empty box was awful. if they had used soft foam or styrofoam I bet many of the original units would still work. Also if you ship one of those units to another country I expect it will shake itself to pieces along the way. So the Jaguar CD addon problem was it was not robust because it was never supposed to exist in the first place and Atari, being short on funds, ended up finding the cheapest solution to the very last problem they would ever work on. Oh and Iron Soldier 2 was a lot of fun too, but hey you can buy IS3 on the Playstation 1 and that game actually has textures.
One only thing I used my Jaguar CD for was to play CDs. Its ability to "visually play" music on your TV was quite remarkable, and better than any consoles of the time.
3do did that mate lol
@@edbeasant9494 Not as good boyo
They all played music. But this was the only one at the time with a VLM.
Never knew founder Nolan Bushnell wanted to buy back his old company Atari in 1996
I have a Jag CD that works. Well, it works when you tape the drive shut. I sure as hell am not gonna repair it since it still works for now.
Love the way Lady decade holds up the systems. I wonder if she ever worked for a gameshow like the price is right?
At least Lady Decade’s peripherals never disappoint.
I still have both my Jaguar and Jaguar CD. Had them since 1998 and I have kept them both in good condition. Not the best console ever, but it had it's moments.
Never knew about the Jaguar VR headset, that's absolutely wild
Wasn’t even prototyped fully beyond the mock ups really. Any shown at shows were the two colour protos hi res bluegrey and low res redblack.
Ah the Jag CD - some good games, like Iron Soldier 2. However, it should probably have been a stand-alone console. I had 2 Jag CDs which worked just fine - sold 1 to cover the cost of both, and then the other went (along with the Jag) to help cover the costs of moving
Nice dig at the Amico! Love all your videos. Very interesting how badly the jag cd was a flop
If only the hardware of the Jag wasn't rushed and they fixed the buggy hardware.
@@thefurthestmanfromhome1148 Wow really? Makes me wish they would have delayed the console for at least another year. Maybe that a little more RAM and imagine what could have been.
Not only this is as brilliant as ever- your remark @10:52 had me spitting my tea at the screen. XD You're awesome!
10:58 you mean
I've watched many reviews of this system on so many other channels and this one is one of my favorites it's so indepth and very well written and beautifully produced thanks for sharing this video with us all
I bought my Jaguar CD about 15 years ago, I bought it refurbished from the actual place that did warranty work for Atari. $150 back then for all replacement new parts. Still works like a champ today!
I suspect that the PC Engine/TurboGrafx-16 CD add-on was likely the most successful games media add-on in industry history. They claim to have sold about 2 million CD units in Japan alone, and I'm not sure if that includes PC Engine Duo units (that came with an integrated CD-ROM drive). The Famicom Disk System likely sold more total units, but the ratio between PC Engine and CD will almost certainly have been better than the ratio of Famicom to Famicom Disk Systems.
I worked in video games at the time and Atari asked my company to port one of our games on to the Jag CD. When asked how many Jag CD units they where going to sell they told us 2 million, I do love optimism but they'd have to sell 1,850 000 to people that didn't even have a Jaguar.
@@thefurthestmanfromhome1148 it was a point and click adventure called Discworld.
I remember when AVGN tried reviewing the Jaguar CD and he couldn't get one that actually worked. Was there no quality control at all at Atari? Given the embarrassingly awful Jaguar pack-in game, Cybermorph, they clearly didn't invest much in game testers. It's such a shame that Atari fell so far. The Lynx was actually pretty awesome, and I never understood why it couldn't compete with the ugly monochrome Game Boy, which I think is the most overrated system ever. 😕
The Lynx was good but you'd be lucky to get 2 hours out of new batteries. It literally needed an AC adapter, which took the portability out of it. That's a big reason why Nintendo went with the Game Boy design with the technology at the time.
@@Epic_C
To be fair that was a common issue of anything with a back lit colour lcd screen. Speaking as an owner of both a Lynx II and a Sega Game Gear.
The 'technology' of the Gameboy was a super low res lcd which wasn't back-lit.
@The Buffed Novelist
It's more of a design issue. The mechanism that drives the spindle is prone to going out of alignment. The travel limit switches for the laser transport are very cheap and prone to failure. In addition, if powered up while not fully plugged into the Jaguar, the JagCD's electronics will be damaged. Essentially, every part of it has flaws that cause it to fail over time.
@@Epic_C Yep. Exactly. It’s hard to blame parents in the 90s who went with Game Boy over Lynx when batteries would last a lot longer in the Game Boy. Rechargeable battery tech wasn’t nearly as good or inexpensive as it is now.
Gunpey Yokoi was right that sometimes it’s better to work with existing tech in new ways rather than being cutting edge.
The GB had some really great games, in spite of those limitations.
The Game Boy was cheaper and had far better battery life than other handhelds.
Mine works fine. It’s a standard Phillips CD pickup and there’s nothing wrong with it’s design whatsoever. They were used years before the Jag CD and years after. The reason they break is because they use a magnetic lockdown and people try and snap the CD on like a PlayStation. This ends up putting the drive out of alignment.
Atari failed with this system because there were a lot of magazine reviewers out at the time who (for various reasons) just spouted phony rumors and insults until it became chic to dump of the system with nonsensical "facts" that had no basis in reality. Apparently, whoever wrote the script for these videos got all their research from these reviews (probably sourced through Wikipedia), and didn't really bother to talk to anyone who worked for Atari or developed for their systems to learn about the system.
My original model Xbox 360 never once suffered a red ring of death.
Therefore there was nothing wrong with this model and the RRoD problem was a myth.
Your logic.
@@zephyr8072 but it’s largely just improper handling of the CD transport, it isn’t really a manufacturing defect. Some have bad caps by now but it’s a 27 year old unit. You can usually easily fix the broken ones by replacing the transport which is still available for roughly $20. You really can’t fault the use of the mechanism, it’s reliable in plenty of products. People were simply used to the snap down mechanisms in the other consoles by the time these started being bought up. I just don’t see how Atari is at fault for choosing this particular transport, it will last ages if treated well.
@@yrly59e Several people who have handled these units and failed to fix them or fixed them only temporarily prove you wrong.
It is not just the CD transport. There are various mechanisms on it that are prone to failure particularly the contacts between itself and the Jaguar console.
"Several people have dropped their XBOX 360 off a table and it didn't work after that. Therefore there must be various mechanisms that are prone to failure."
Still have my jag cd. I know it gets beat up but I still like it.
The Atari Jaguar CD-Rom is so rare it's almost unbelievable. A maximum of 25000 pieces were produced. I'm from Germany and could have gotten one for 90 euros in the early 2000s. Unfortunately I didn't buy it because I've already bought a few Atari Jaguar games and didn't want to spend that much money. Nowadays I could really resent myself for being so stingy. The great game Battlemorph or the Virtual Light machine alone are worth buying an Atari Jaguar CD-ROM.
I simply want to know what Atari was thinking when they agreed on that number pad controller
Just the key pad alone made the controller outdated
That number pad is actually quite convenient with the fps games. Switching weapons is a breeze with it
So rare to see them up close 😉 Really enjoy your videos, you make them fun and give great details, must take a lot of effort. I'm always on the lookout for something wierd or rare to play, knowing how it came about makes it that much cooler. Thank you for what you do.
I remember see these at Circuit City waaayy back in the day as a kid and how everyone in the 90s were obsessed with how many bits a system had. We used to argue and debate if the PSX was ACTUALLY weaker or stronger the the N64 or Saturn. I think the Jaguar, 3DO, and CDi really shows a game company needs to be lead by people who actually play games. You can tell just by looking at the controllers of these systems that they don't play games at all.
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The Jag CD does look more complete than the Jag w/o CD. It's shaped to have the CD player on it
Excellent work on retro consoles, please do more of these sorts of failure breakdown videos
My lid switch is broken on mine but it still works if a stack a few books on top to hold the lid down which is not bad for being a 27 year old cheaply made device. I thought it had potential to compete with PSX and Saturn but Atari simply gave up on it too early. Battlemorph was a nice upgrade over Cybermorph and the CD version is the preferred way to play Hoverstrike. There's a Protector Resurgence CD from Songbird Productions that works in tandem with the Protector SE cartridge so this feature actually did happen. I thought it looked more like a spaceship as opposed to a toilet.
KB Toys at the time were flooded with Jaguar products for super cheap and they couldn’t give it away.
Woah nerdy metal mum! Nice new video features! Loving the transitions and window borders!
As always, many congrats on the continued success of your channel! Still growing and speeding towards 100k!!!!! :)
I have an absolutely mental day ahead. This video has set me up for the day. Thank you for posting 📫 ☺️ 🙏
The Lady Decade show, a necessary for gracious living in south Texas.
Or anywhere.
Atari should have made a consolised version of the Lynx hardware 🤔
The home brew community makes me think that Analogue should get to work on a one piece, structurally sound reproduction of the Atari Jaguar CD. They've made a lot of other reproduction consoles and it seems they do good work.
Hysterical and informational as always thanks for the vids!
cool video! never played it or regular Jag.. Genesis and SNES were still wicked popular in 95 .. Most kids and young adults were gonna stick with our Segas and maybe get a PS1 or hold out a year or two lol.. i always laughed at the whacky prices of Jag, 3DO , Neo Geo and Phillips CDI back then even as a kid .. some systems were higher than computer prices back then i couldn't understand it to be honest.
although I enjoy your videos, Lady Decade, I have to say that i kind of find this video to be incredibly misleading to the Jaguar CD.
After having mine for 2 years it still functions and works exactly as it was intended and disks have ran flawlessly. I realize that they're rare and do often require parts but I am also finding that this video is incredibly biased. Not to say this as a fan, but I feel you're not giving the CD Addon the credit that is due. Primal Rage is a fantastic port, sound qaulity is great, world racing tour is amazing, Battlemorph outdoes itself, the Hover Strike and Iron Soldier 2 port does itself justice, Blue Lightning is actually very well done as a tech demonstration and there are also some decent minor games like Baldies and Myst on the system too.
I don't think she was misleading at all, and I'm pretty sure she did her research before making this video. You probably just got very lucky with your Jaguar CD. Perhaps you got one of the last ones made and by then they had fixed the issues it had? All I know is that everything she said about the console are the same things I've heard about it. As for the games, she was mostly documenting the hardware. She didn't really say anything negative or positive about them (except for Highlander), which makes sense if she's never played them.
She owns one, I believe 2 owners can have different experiences. Let's take the Genesis model 2. I have never in my life seen one that has a working reset button, but other people have only seen them that work
Guys don't get me wrong. I'm not bashing her. But in my experience within the Jag community and the hardware I have this video just feels like a hate response to the CD. If that's her opinion, that's fine. I'm not going to be a holier than thou person. But I really feel like she dropped the ball on this one.
Yep extremely bias, fair enough, it was an overall failure but it obviously had some decent playable games, which she either neglected to mention or just bash those too, hardly impartial, seems like she just wanted to entertain, rather than give an impartial review.
Yep, almost everything in this video is wrong sadly, as it was in her previous Jaguar video. I have made several Jaguar/Jaguar CD videos on my channel to try and correct this somewhat.
Jaguar CD is a very weirdly designed console. They had some neat ideas. But that game library was unique. You're right, Lady Decade, its design definitely resembles the royal throne.
The Jaguar Duo...haha, actually, instead of Sega's 2-in-1 consoles, that reminds me more of the PC Engine CD, or the Turbo Duo in America. NEC seem to be the odd company out in the console wars, doing good business in Japan if not elsewhere. And their library of games was comparable, if not superior to the Sega CD and especially the Jaguar. All I know is that I wanted a Turbo Duo so badly when I was a kid, and I remember the games consistently getting good ratings.
Remember when soja boy thought he owed the company atari
Who?
I noticed a mistake, the Atari company that was sold to WMS Industries was not Atari Corporation, but rather, Atari Games, and these two companies have nothing to do with each other.
Atari Games was the arcade division.
Toilet seat...what a fitting design choice...
It’s nice having an English lady doing a Video Game channel 😊😊 a refreshing change from all the English/American gents. I’ve not heard the word “trollop” in years….sigh…
Why are people defending the Jaguar CD, it was a trash system? They might like it, but the cost, number of games released, failure rate, lack of sales all show that as a console at that time, it was awful.
Yep, it was a stupid idea due to the reasons you mentioned in the video. The all-in-one console should have been released instead of just the add-on, but it wouldn't have mattered. In 1995, it was all about the PS1 (and Saturn if you live in Japan.) They had no chance at that point (cue Vince McMahon's entrance theme.)
They were trying to compete with 16 bit consoles when those were already closing in their life-cycle, Jaguar was dead on arrival
@@Shinmsl It could have been a success to some degree, but the hardware issues and lack of support did it in. If it had some consistently good exclusive 3D titles, it might have done okay against Sony for a couple of years. Then they could have released the Jaguar 2 and maybe kept it going.
Just when you thought anyone couldn't do worse than the Sega 32X...
Lady Decade videos, a necessity for gracious living.
To state I'm sure what many already have, the Jaguar was likely the equal of at least the Saturn IF THE DEVELOPER KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING and like with most of these things, a lot of the capabilities of the developer depends on the kind of development tools the creator of the hardware can provide.
Thanks for the video. So many tongue twisting adjectives in one video!
There's something that's always been bothering me about the Jaguar...
*"Where did you learn to fly?"*
Another video that every other UA-camr has done
Exactly not to mention if the Jaguar itself failed it was obvious it's CD attachment failed. I love this channel but thought this video was kind of pointless.
@@anthonysalmon5808 I am sick of you tubers all doing the same shit as each other same old stories
Here's what never made sense to me. They bundled in the soundtrack to Tempest 2000. They had plans to combine CD with Carts in some way. Why didn't they take one of the games that was actually a hit on the system, that people bought the console for, that didn't have a soundtrack, like say... oh, I don't know DOOM! And using the CD add on working with the cart give Doom on Jaguar the soundtrack it should have had. Hell, even go a step further and re-record the soundtrack with actual instruments since it's CD and have the definitive home console version and arguably the best version period. But no. Atari gotta Atari and do stupid stuff instead. Like make Highlander. It hurts my brain to think about it. Sure it still would have been garbage, but from a purely marketing point of view it's like they didn't have a marketing point of view.
Personally, I love the look of the core console and the cd add on. The controller on the other hand, now thats a different story. Ick
Had both, had fun, no complaints then and now. I think LD is just bitter.
Apple did it a couple years later with what retro collectors lovingly refer to as the "toilet seat" iBook clamshell.
I've had mine for years and somehow it still works. VLM is fun
Funny you said they are all broken; I purchased mine brand new at GameStop and it still works fine to this very day.
Congrats on being a statistical anomaly 👍
@@skillaxxx
Congrats on never owning or using a Jaguar CD.
@@skylined5534You're pretty wrong on that, I never owned one myself, for good reasons, but I played them frequently, as my buddy owned a well-known game shop specialised in imports in the 90s and sold quite a few Jaguars and other rare stuff like the Neo Geo. He obviously had them all setup in his man-cave at home. The console itself was pretty ok, but the CD+add-on sucked ballz in every aspect (too little too late), especially in the reliability department. I believe he even stopped selling the CD-units *within a year* due to all the warranty claims.
She never said they were all broken.
@@arcademan-ox3pv chill simp. It’s fine
Never understood why they made an add on to a system that didn't sell well at all, the main problem with the system is it did not offer anything better than the 16-bit rivals at all in all honesty it was a big heaping pile of crap
Seen a jag shell hanging in my dentist's office. I guess a dental equipment supplier bought the un used shells.
I remember seeing a video about that years ago. I'll be damned if can find it again.
But yes, some dental equipment company bought the unused Jaguar shells and repurposed them for their own products.
No, you didn't. A dental equipment supplier bought the molds for the cases for a dental camera system they were designing, and they made exactly 7 prototypes of the system, which was never released to the market.
@@Acorn0005 I'll have to get a picture of it next time, or have my wife get a picture being that she more likely to go there before I will in 6 months. They were not in every room but it looked just like a jaguar just painted white and had tools hanging from it with one of the tools having a wire running from it to the box itself. You have no idea wtf I saw Playa. That's one hell of a coincidence isn't it? I'm just lying and pulling stuff from my azz. Carry on, know it all.
Have had mine for 20yrs. I think I paid $100 then. CIB with maybe 8 hours of use to now. Still worked fine when I checked it 4yrs ago.
Only issue is some early carts are not compatible for some reason.
I have one of these. With most broken and only 20,000 made I'm surprised these are not more collectable. I think they will be worth thousands someday.
I bought one new back in the day. I got my $50 worth, especially after buying Iron Soldier 2! Amazing game for the time. No issues (though my gaming time has been a rarity for past 10yrs & haven't turned it on for a while).
My Jaguar CD hasn't given me any troubles though it's been in storage for a few years!
It's redeemed entirely by Battlemorph, best game of the entire Jaguar library save perhaps for T2K
Never had one but the connection problem reminds me of the ZX81/16K ram pack wobble issue. This amused me somewhat - not!
I’m shocked at hearing the CD drive was so faulty and even more shocked at the prices the base unit goes for! I’ve not yet researched the CD add on… I’ve had mine for many years and it worked without issues but the games where nothing that interested me so they just collected dust! I’ll have to dig out the cords to test it someday after my cat knocking the system behind my entertainment system cabinet 😅
The Jaguar was so advertised in the 90s and I remember wanting one because I thought it looked edgy.
Ah yes I remember 90’s advertising. Everything had to be EXTREME!!!! Lol
Hey lady D. You show excellent. Reviews 😁👍👍
"Where did YOU learn to fly?"
"YOU, ALRIGHT?! I learned it from watching you!"
Tells me, maybe add-ons aren't a good idea; maybe they should've been whole new separate systems. Like the Sega CD - maybe the Sega CD should've been a whole system by itself. It did seem to operate like it was half a system attached to something else. So it seemed to operate more shoddily because of that. I know some people use to bang on it to get it to work. Attaching something new to something old isn't a good idea either. Needs to be completely new, hence advancement. Wanted ta say somethin'... By the way, when I said '16-Bit Version of The Legend of Zelda', I meant the 16-Bit Remake of the first Zelda on NES. There was a 16-Bit Remake of the first Zelda exclusively for Satellaview (if I spelt that right). Would like to play that myself 🙂
I never had a Jaguar system because at the time it was too expensive. Most of us did the math and realized that it was just not a viable option. It didn't have enough games to warrant buying it and didn't last long enough to make it an option
For all the vids of 32 and 64 bit consoles I feel like we all owe you steak and ice cream or whatever the equivalent is in your home.
Because these vids are steak and ice cream.
Actually the reason why the Jaguar didn't do well was because of the stupid number digit controller. I mean, its supposed to be competing against the SNES, Genesis, PS1, but did these other consoles have number pads on their controllers? Just think if the PS1 had a big ass number pad on the controller, everyone would have thought that Sony were out of their minds.
So the number pad was just a huge mistake and didn't help the Jaguar at all. They needed a better shaped controller, heck even a 6 button Sega Genesis controller adapter would have been better than the original Jaguar controller.
And what really are you going to do with that number pad, play games with it? Yeah, right. It's more like you need to call for help because someone sold you a terrible controller.
Atari's mindset was still stuck in the early 80's. If you look back to the Colecovision, Intellivision and others, number pads were all the rage.... for some reason. Could never understand why basic ass looking games needed number pads. Like. who were they kidding with that!?!
Bought the JAG CD day one and today it runs with zero problems. Own every cartridge and CD released for the system. There are some really bad games (like all systems have) but many are good.
The green cybermorph 'where did you learn to fly' is a voice prompt that is rare to hear. you'd know this if you played the game. And it controls fine.
Another great video. Take care and watch out for RICHARD PARLIAMENT
A British designer named Yak you say, I like this man. Also Aaahhckchtuley a water closest is the cupboard you walk into and not the toilet itself. Never seen a Cybiko before dood.
Atari Games Corp was acquired by WMS industries in 96. Atari Games Corp was the maker of arcade games under the Atari Label from 84 till its ending.
The company that made the jaguar, Atari Corporation merged with hardrive maker JTS before being acquired by Hasbro. Atari Inc was the company that existed before 84 where the home console, computer, and arcade divisions were one. After 84 Warner Brothers sold the arcade division to a company that became Atari Games Corp, And the rights to all old arcade games, computers and home consoles became Atari Corporation. This is how you end up with the situation where Tengen Games on the NES could not use the atari name in marketing as Atari Corporation had exclusive rights to the use of the tradmark in home console games.
Some say the Jag CD actually functions better as a toilet rather than a gaming system
I gotta watch AVGN take on this for the 20th time or so. Good old James, what a shame that his channel went down the drain. One day I will LEARN TO FLY
Why did his channel go down the drain? I thought he was still doing okay.
Please lmk. Thanks
I think most people are not understanding what she was saying. Yes, there are a-lot of working functioning units and if you take care of it, it will work for years and years to come but back then, people didn't take care of their game systems which would cause the CD addon to stop working. It was poorly developed plain and simple. Excellent video.
So if you treat your system like shit it won't work very well nearly 3 decades later?
Wow, you are a perceptive egg.
Ummm....not to defend Cybermorph but comparing either game to Star Fox really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. One game is completely on a rail while the other is open. Not to mention, both Cybermorph games hold a far better frame rate.
Nice video I got a funny story I had a buddy that used to have one of these Atari jaguars here in Texas and he had to throw it away because his baby brother mistook it for a toilet so he had to throw it away
Saying it looks like a toilet and then ranting about it for at least a minute is one of the dumbest things I have heard in a while.
So you're saying it doesn't look like a toilet?
Lady Decade: Why did the Jaguar's CD add on fail?
Me: People had Jaguars?
I think it's a beautiful looking console.....Atari should have stayed with sprite tech.....that 3d stuff looks junk
Never seen a Jaguar in real life here in U.S
I had two. One dont work, other works and plays burnt games.😊👍👍
Jaguar + toilet = failure; do the math
Next Episode... Why did ATARI Fail!? - Gaming History Documentary
Atari are still prevalent in current pop culture so I think 'fail' is hardly correct.
@@skylined5534 well someone or something can still fail and leave an everlasting impression (mostly during its prime years).
Failing in this context simply means the company isn't doing well financially or sustainable or being competitive/innovative.
At this rate, Atari should be developing for IKEA and Walmart. I can just imagine, Atari branded toilets. There’s probably people out there that would buy it just because it has the Atari label. So when you go to over to your friends house, your friend says hey if you need to use the Atari, it’s in that room.
"A black plastic toilet" Best Ebay description ever.
Because:
1) It was an add-on.
2) It was an add-on for the Atari Jaguar.
3) It was an add-on for the Atari Jaguar that didn't work right.
4) It looked like a toilet.
Thank you ! great video
Omg the Amico does look like a foot spa. Now I can’t unsee it. 🤦♀️😂
Also I am a rpg fan none I can recall on the Jaguar.
I'm curious, love the content, but whom encouraged you and set-up your channel for you? Also, who edits it? Is it all you?
It took vr another 25 years and its still only starting