ngl that music as Irv was descending into the dream had me spooked. and I don't spook easy. I do cry easy when sad stuff happens but to actually give me chills takes a bit. Horror movies are comedies for me so this hits different for some reason.
Great video! For a Sunday livestream watch, I recommend checking out "The Faceless Girl." I've followed ScreenCrush and some other deep dive geek channels for a while for other shows, and they're great (and put out an impressive amount of analysis/content on shows I watch), but she is a newer creator who has had some great, unique takes, and you might otherwise miss her, it being a smaller newer channel. She's suuuuper into Severance too. Algorithm had my back putting her (and you) in my recommended videos!
In regards to the Night Gardener story, it reminded me of that moment in Arrested Development where Lucille says, "It's one banana, how much could it cost? Ten dollars?" It's a stupidly rich person disconnect. Helena down in MDR thinking "What do the poors do? Watch TV in lame apartments? Who would they talk to? Maybe gardeners?"
That story was weak… can’t believe she couldn’t make up a better story - I think still think irv would have realised she wasn’t helly because of her behaviour
I wonder how all the people feel who didn't think it was Helena and gave all their reasons. they were decent reasons, counts for both ways having good reasons since it was hard to tell and it had the audience divided if it was her or not. but I wonder if the people who thought it was just Helly like this, hate it, feel like their intuition isn't as good as they thought, all that
I think we can expect Dylan to discover some sort of macguffin from Irving in the near future. When Irving said to him “Just remember. Hang in there”, it was said way too intentionally to be random. I’m guessing he hid something behind the hang in there poster in the break room.
What if the macguffin is more like marks dumb idea from 2.1, but Irving did it right? He left a note for Dylan on the coat rack of the MDR room, or will somehow leave it in Dylan’s locker on the top floor? Or maybe he somehow gets into Outtie Dylan’s infamously real closet…? Idk, somewhere where Dylan hangs things and has been a typical changeover spot between his innie and outtie
@@paularized1 There is a poster with the text "Hang in there" in the room where they watch the video in episode 1. Also, the illustration on this poster resembles Dylan activating the protocol in the security room. I think Irv hid the drawing of the illustration behind this poster, just like Petey hid the map in the photo.
I can't believe Mark was b*lls deep in Helena and still couldn't tell it wasn't Helly 💀 Irving was right, Mark is blinded by his infatuation. Innie Irving was straight savage and he's gonna be missed if that's the last we see of him.
Why would the first time having sex reveal anything? That would probably the last situation that someone would realize they are with a different person.
@@codeknox4632OH MY GOD THIS WAS ALL I COULD THINK ABOUT. it actually made the scene feel kind of gross for me? Like “dude that is a billionaire executive who’s probably had tons of celebrity D taking the virginity of a sweet unassuming low level employee and lying about who she is.” Ummmmm. That’s fucking gross? Poor sweet lil baby Mark S when he wants to get with helly for real.
I saw somewhere that there is “team building” on Petey’s map and checked out it’s true. Also I saw on twitter that Irving said “hey kid” because if helena is gonna answer back “what’s for dinner”
@@b1bbscraz3yseason 1, first episode. Irv says it every morning when he comes in to work and it is annoying the others. Also there's another reference to it in the last episode of S1 when he says "let's go see what's for dinner" before the OTC is switched
When Irving trips and his torch goes out, the sound design is interesting. It almost sounds like he ran into something like boxes or a filing cabinet. It was really strange sounding and probably for a reason.
In the first episode of season 2, after Mark S. ran to check the wellness room we see a man lurking behind him. That man is credited as Man in Hallway played by an actor named Adam Jepsen. The Mark S. double on episode 4 is credited as Shadow Mark and it's played by...you guessed it... Adam Jepsen
The TV has no cord, which I’m sure is a nod to the shining, I don’t think they were actually outside. Also, if they shut off Irving at the end then outie Irving would just be standing in the forest.
@ first episode, sorry. When Milchick puts Mark in the elevator after Mark yells his demands the board, he gets shut off completely with a different chime in the elevator. At least that’s what I gather happened.
I think they’re more like bad CGI. animatronics would be like shitty robots - physical and mechanical. Look at Dylan’s twin especially though. His feet don’t touch the ground. Instead there’s just this gap, or bad photoshop blend job.
I don’t understand why they didn’t walk up to their doppelgängers and talk to them. That would be the very first thing I did if I saw a double of me or my team.
@@saveferris486 Maybe. I'm just wary of attributing meaning in case it was just a case of bad CGI from the show itself haha. The scene where all 4 of the twins are standing on the hill together had Marks arms looking very robot like which is why I think it was the animatronic thing.
The most complete analysis of the 4th episode! Believe me I have watched 4 or 5 other UA-cam breakdowns and this is the fullest and the best of it all!
It's totally possible, but I think the innies would be more trusting with a book that showed openly that Ricken was the author, and why I think the board/Natalie have taken such an interest
It could explain why Dieter wasn’t known to the innies, but then again there was that band, Dieter’s Brother in the real world. Maybe it one of those things cults do…hold off “exclusive” information until the person can handle the knowledge…allegedly. Like a Mason thing.
I really hope this show doesn’t go too far into Simualtion. I really like having the mystery feeling of it being something practical/actually going on in the world by this mega company.
I honestly don’t think it will. I think that was the real outside, and that the only “simulation” storyline we’ll get, if you will, is gonna be the board’s digital consciousness.
i didn’t get the impression that this was a simulation. i thought since it was an Eagan National Park that they could easily manage them while actually be outside.
I no longer think it's a matrix environment. Or at least, not with this episode. Remember the second Mark innie in the first episode of this season mentioning that their Eagan museum had moving mannequins? It made me think of animatronics. So when the shadow versions of the 4 innies appeared, I wondered if they were animatronics because of the way they moved and stood. It wasn't until another UA-camr mentioning about how Walt Disney had a brother that something finally dawned on me. The child like innies were placed in an indoor simulator constructed like a theme park ride. It looks massively vast. But in truth, the footprint is small. You are actually looking at a lot of forced perspective fx and are moving in a circle or spiral winding path downhill. You can't tell you are going in circles because rocks and trees are blocking your full view ahead. All just like the theme park rides. It's like the Truman Show or the battle arenas of the Hunger Games. It's all a stage set. It's all an optical illusion. It's just like a Disney World ride. They think they are on an endless journey, but in truth, they are just moving in circles.
36:15 When "Father" is capitalized it's either talking about a God figure, or the speaker's own father, since it's basically a designation that equates to a name and names are proper nouns. So in this sentence it's totally ambiguous and could mean either - great catch!
The whole Helly vs. Helena writing was *good* writing. Attack on Titan did it too - they plant clues that connected into different and even competing theories and over time had more and more explicit supporting evidence for those different theories. Severance did it too, and it kept us looking for clues to figure out what's right. They did it so well that up to the last transition with the tree I still wasn't sure if she was Helly or Helena. I thought maybe she could switch or something. Absolutely amazing writing and amazing acting by Helly/Helena's actress.
It occurred to me watching this episode that Irv is the only member of the MDR team that seems to have experienced sleep (as far as we know). He was also the only member of the MDR team that experienced hallucinations (the black paint) that were tied to his life as an Outie. Is it possible that the reason that Lumen discourages sleeping in the office so strongly is because sleep gives the Innie access to their subconcious in a way that links them to their Outie's memories?
@@rektangulusthat’s the reason for the special mdr colored tents. They somehow block this effect and they couldn’t have predicted one of them would fall asleep outside the tent in the freezing cold.
For people who do not know the reference of spilling lineage on the soil. This is basically what Onan did in the Bible when he spread his population paste on the ground.
Pauper is known in the English language from Shakespeare's "The Prince and the Pauper" which links to your theory of Kier and Dieter switching places as that is the basic plot of the classic play. 🤔
@54:01 JBuck Studios had a really interesting theory on this part, with a background in the IRL Montouk Project. He also pointed out the only numbers were 1-7, and explained why that is.
take this as a grain of salt, honestly my big game theory is that Mark WAS reintegrated in that episode. And so was Irving. I initially thought reintegration would be more akin to two people at the steering wheel, but after this episode I think it's much more complicated. I don't think the outies are conscious on the severed floor. but when you're reintegrated, your outie REMEMBERS what your innie did on the severed floor. Your innie may not be aware of the outside world still, but your outie will be aware of the inside world. it creates a strange, disorienting memory overlap. the way this manifests to the innies? dreams and visions. when mark was doing the do with helena, he started hallucinating gemma. he starts having a vision of something from the outie world, like how the paint manifests in irving's dreams back in season 1. that is how reintegration manifests to the innies. irving's outie has been reintegrated and committing corporate espionage for years and has been attempting to communicate the exports hall to his innie for years while his innie has been falling in love with his coworker. (this does create the scenario that Irving's outie knows about his Innie's romance and can't act on those feelings because it could blow his cover. the drama would get crazier if Burt was also a corporate spy/reintegrated but i digress because this theory is already crazy enough)
There were no footprints leading to the clifftop TV either, and several inches of snow had drifted around the TV stand's legs, as though it had been there a long time.
In one episode Mark's new team tells him that their perpetuity wing had animatronic renditions of the CEO's that were able to move around and stuff. The shadow selves kinda just look like animatronic dolls to me.
I'm pretty sold on the idea that it's a simulation. I thought the same thing pretty quickly. I ran into trouble during Irving's threatened drowning of Helena. If it's a sim, why would it matter if he drowns her, she's not really there. I thought about it and, until further info comes, I explain this problem by theorizing that if somebody dies in sim, it can overload the severance hardware in the outies head due to a power surge or something like that. If that chip shorts or flashes out somehow, that's potentially VERY bad given it's in the depths of the outie's brain. So, maybe Helena's chip shorts out or maybe it doesn't. But if Lumon knows through experimentation, that this is a definite possibility, he's NOT going to risk letting Irving snuff Helena in sim.
I think an important indication that this episode takes place in a simulation inside the office is the fact that, to bring Helly back, it is necessary to remove a block from her and not from the others - if they were actually outside the office, the protocol to activate consciousness would be affecting the innies, not the outie.
Great video, as always! I scared my cats screaming about this weird and wonderful episode! So glad to have a place to come to share in the amazing-ness of this show.
Sooo…. In the series “Severance,” the concept of being an “outie” doesn’t truly exist; all individuals are “innies” in different situations. Kier is a town founded by a religious community, where Cobel was born. Following an event that devastated most of the planet, annihilating life as we know it, Lumon serves as a sort of Noah’s Ark, aiming to repopulate the world by correcting and improving the past. Gemma was severed before Mark and knew that beyond Kier, there was nothing for thousands of kilometers. She wanted to show this to Mark by car. Thus, the accident was staged, and Gemma’s outie privileges were revoked. Petey intended to leave the town only after ensuring Mark’s safety. All citizens of Kier are either aware of the reality or have been severed.
ORTBO has to be referencing robot. idk why but it has to at least be on purpose. because “occurrence” is such a weird word normally they say “experience” like the dance experience. so it hassss to be on purpose.
Regarding the night gardener I think Hellena didn't bother to think of a better story because she has a very low opinion of innies and thought they are gullable children who would swallow anything so she didn't care. It is just Hellena, same person who told her innie she is not a person and same person who got upset to be compared to innie and had a little fit. Btw that was my biggest clue that she is not Helly. She got offended when Marc told her innies and outies are the same.
Ok...if it was a simulation...like i kind of thought...at first ... Then why did they give in to Helena drowning by Irving ?? ... Is it one of those things that the mind can't handle, So it's kind of real?
The Fourth Appendix was clearly written by Ricken Hale. It’s exactly the same writing style, and Natalie just met with Ricken about writing a “version” of “The You You Are” geared toward Innies.
Ether is not actually made in a mill, but in Ether, Montgomery County, North Carolina, there is a building called the Ether Roller mill, built in 1800.
Did anyone notice Helly’s “twin” guide had her head cocked to one side? Apparently from when she tried with the rope in the elevator is my guess. This show is pure genius ❤
Увидела обложку видео перед тем, как посмотреть серию😂 Благодаря этому я была готова к тому, что в серии появится эта страшная "bride" и не так испугалась во время просмотра 🙇♀️ спасибо😅
Montauk is at the end of Long Island. I live in NY. Kier was nuts, I hope they can't bring him back. LOL. Imagine I'm driving my husband nuts, he and I have vastly different tastes in tv, so he doesn't watch this show. Every single Thursday night, "This place is such a dang cult, OMG this episode is amazing, what the heck is wrong with milkshake?"
I loved this episode!! I watched it last night and then it was in my dreams last night. I love this show and these weekly episodes are getting me through the destruction of the US. 😢 This show is the only thing that captures my attention away from what’s going on.
I have a seal theory. Irving’s outie - as we can assume - has some military experience, so maybe he was a Navy Seals solider in the past. So my theory is that the dead seal is the hint to viewers about his “death” in the end of this episode
Mark and Helena doing the nasty in the forest could allude to Dieter (Mark) spilling his lineage on the forest floor. I don't think it's a coincidence that immediately after Helena points that out they get into a 'seed spilling, situation heh. Also- Milkshake is going to be seen as incompetent for almost allowing Helena to die paving the way for Cobel to return as the severed lead.same reason she was dismissed and this is Milkshakes 2nd or 3rd muck up
I think you’ve basically got it. When father is a title or someone specific, like Father Christmas? Capital. When you’re saying my father or your father? No capital. When you’re saying Father pass the salt at dinner, because you’re using it as a name? Capital.
I really REALLY doubt it’s a simulation, VR or otherwise. Weight it on the plausability scale. A TV that went initially unnoticed has a battery power source in a park Lumon owns, or, Lumon has come up with the technology to perfectly simulate real life stimuli through VR totally spoiling any and all rules this world has previously built. Idk guys. Seems pretty equal to me! I’ve always respected this show for being grounded so if we start dipling into simulation bs I’m gonna be upset. This being on the severed floor also doesn’t make sense. How does the simulated sky ceiling not collapse from the pressure of being who knows how far down.
@@SonOvaSon How is surviving the cold for one night less realistic than hyperrealistic VR simulation? People have survived much worse IRL. Plus from a writing perspective, it’d be a bad, albeit funny, way to kill off a character. Just getting lost in the woods and dying from exposure.
@@SonOvaSon remember Irving was walking for a long time and we don't know how long he was asleep for. Who knows how this man is built with his Military background 😅 Maybe getting close to freezing is what triggers him to actually dream?
You are by far my absolute FAVORITE content creator for breaking down shows!! Found your channel while watching 'From' and been watching ever since!! I couldn't wait to see what your reaction and thoughts were going to be for this episode! I was litterally yelling at my TV last night it was so good!! Thanks for all your hard work!!
I also think Irving on the ice is symbolic of him being “on thin ice” 😢 Kinda unrelated but your “weapon on choice comment” reminded me I read somewhere that an icicle is the “perfect weapon” because it could kill someone and then melt
I am so disappointed they went with Helena pretending to be HellyR. That said, the series just gets better. And does this mean the person watching mark in the premiere was his shadow.
I think you're right about Father being capitalized has significance, however when one refers to their parent without "my" first, it is treated as a name, or proper noun. I love my mom vs I love you, Mom.
Regarding DVD: That's always their preferred method of video capture and playback. Remember, Helly is recording her retirement request on a 8cm Mini-DVD recorder and brings it up and returns with a mini 8cm DVD-R. And Helena is recording her "I was drunk and took non Lumon pills" Speech on a fancy one too.
I get what you mean as to why didn't Helena think up a better story as to what she saw. Why a night gardener. I thought that, too. But thinking about it some more now, Helena Eagan might not be used to people questioning her at all. She might be used to people taking her words to be fact being that she is part of such a powerful family. Even if people don't believe a word you say, it doesn't mean that in order to stay in good grace with you, they too won't lie by saying they believe. Outie Helena Eagan might be too used to thinking that people accept her words at face value. Her weakness is that she is far too full of herself and thinks she is mentally superior to an innie, when in truth, she is far from it.
Igor, I realized something: when Irving says to Dylan, “Hang in there,” it’s actually a code. In the stop-motion room, there’s a picture with the words “Hang in There” written on it. I believe he left the elevator drawing there with some kind of note. I keep thinking that he might have followed the same procedure as Mark and Peter because it’s exactly what Peter did with the map. He also calls that person, saying his innie got the message, so he might be talking to Asal.
I think Montauk is a reference to Eternal Sunshine like you mentioned. I've been listening to the Severance Podcast and Ben Stiller has mentioned the movie and Michel Gondry as inspiration.
You and Screencrush are truly the only cats I feel scratching deeper than a surface level, doing your own research into things like the podcast and what not and it clearly shows with the misinformation and generalisation over huge channels are making. Smashing it fam
Imo and theory Dieter is Kiers tempers he had to tame. He had to tame dieter whatever and to do that he had to kill that part of himself and that is how he thought of the idea of severance.
TL;DR Kier ate shrooms, his brain changed permanently as a result and altered his perception of reality and he founded Lumon to change everyone to see it his way. This episode and Helena's remarks gave me an idea: what if Kier and his brother were abused by his dad, ran into the forest and ate some shrooms? That would explain why his brother supposedly masturbated in nature and why supposedly Kier killed him and had a hallucination. Kier also describes his brother's behavior quite weirdly before he supposedly masturbated, being one with nature - that feeling of oneness with your surrounding has been found in neuroscience research to be something that is in the brain and can be manipulated, and some people who took shrooms and some other drugs reported this feeling and perception, too. Shrooms are currently being used in cutting-edge research to cure depression which is a mental illness/disorder, so, again - in the brain, and they've been found to increase the ability of the brain to change its structure, in particular form new connections. There's even a hypothesis that spoken language itself was developed thanks to ancient humans accidentally eating shrooms by connecting areas of the brain that weren't that connected before. The point is that shrooms can permanently change people's perception of the world by changing their brain. In addition to that, many ancient cultures around the world, some still to this day, use(d) hallucinogenic drugs - such as shrooms - to put people into an altered state of consciousness for various purposes. In some native American tribes they used it to heal mental illnesses where people would get high, hallucinate things, have strong emotional states - like in dreams - where they would face their fears. It also used the shamans, those spiritual leaders/healers to make decisions that they would call communicating with gods or spirits. I think that might have been Kier's situation - he ate some shrooms, got high, killed his brother for something he did that he was brought up to think is immoral (masturbation - remember, he lived in the 1800s - Christianity and the church and all) and hallucinated that half-woman who said it was his fault. He "conquered" that fear by rejecting that feeling. By not accepting his own judgement on himself, rejecting that blame, it increased his ego - that's something that happens with people in general and people with mental illnesses/disorders in general - it's done to protect the person's ability to function (their ego). And that was the first temper he tamed. He probably later experienced some other experienced that threatened his ego that he wanted to not feel, AKA to control, AKA to tame. IIRC his 4th appendix said he tamed the rest of them in that cave they mentioned and that aligns with shamanic practices - some did those things in caves, too, and it aligns in particular with them going through their hallucination and experiences on those drugs in one sitting, and aligns with the savior story structure where the hero goes through a journey and comes back changed. It also aligns with the fact that the retreat was meant to be 2 days - Kier might have gone through it all in 2 days. And once he tamed those tempers - he felt like he was in total control over himself. And as a changed man who felt complete freedom and saw the world differently now he wanted to spread his worldview. Strong experiences usually are strong motivators, which would explain why he worked so hard for years for his vision with founding Lumon and making the effort to grow it, gather followers, etc.. Do notice that he talks messianically - "my children" and giving things to people, bettering the world and so on, as if something happened to him or he saw something that he later wants to spread - this theory aligns with that. Jesus also has a messianic story - one where he comes back to life, so there's there are 2 parallel's to both this theory in that and to the theory of bringing him back to life. And it could be that the way Lumon is trying to do that is by creating a robot host while re-creating his (mental) brain. I think MDR was brought to the retreat to tame their tempers, too, to be more like Kier. Why - I don't know, maybe something that had to do with Gemma, maybe Lumon could extract something from them after they tamed their tempers, maybe to complete Gemma, which would then be used somehow to bring Kier back - after all, they'd need a person with tamed tempers to bring Kier back.
Simulation theory (both theorizing that the twist in fiction AND those dorks that think we're living in a simulation IRL) is LAZY AF. I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm saying if they did that it would be some of the laziest writing possible.
Father is being used like a name, not just a description, so that’s why it’s capitalized. If they said, “We must return to our father,” then it would be lowercase.
I have loved your breakdowns every episode this season, keep it up! Wanted to share a theory that Irving telling Dylan “hang in there” is him telling Dylan he left him a map to the exports hall behind the “hang in there” poster in the break room.
The fact we cant see any of their breaths despite being in a supposedly frigid environment says to me this is some kind of a simulation or something...
Helena is kind of having the opposite journey as kier and his brother are shown to experience. She isn’t killing the part that wants to go into the woods she’s becoming that. Maybe she will be the downfall of lumen.
I saw Real Enigmas & Theories (maybe check it out for your streaming session!!) and he threw out a theory that this location may be an actual location on lumen grounds somewhere because on Petey’s map, there was a section titled Team Building or something like that. Maybe this is a lab where they’re sleeping and it’s in the mind, or maybe it’s a replica of a special location built somewhere on or under Lumen property I don’t know but this season is insane and I love it
Again. The Innies are the implant ( eg Petey) and the Outies are suppose to be the the Living person with a brain. But this episode has just revealed that this is all a "Matrix" world involving at least very powerful AI ... with the possibility the Humankind is now extinct.
I think, that by the end of the series, we find out that the work they do in MDR controls the monsters in Fromville and maybe even what people end up in the town😁. That would be a huge twist and a great cross over, not to mention, a lot of fun
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ngl that music as Irv was descending into the dream had me spooked. and I don't spook easy. I do cry easy when sad stuff happens but to actually give me chills takes a bit. Horror movies are comedies for me so this hits different for some reason.
Mark saw Gemma when he busted his nut.
Great video! For a Sunday livestream watch, I recommend checking out "The Faceless Girl." I've followed ScreenCrush and some other deep dive geek channels for a while for other shows, and they're great (and put out an impressive amount of analysis/content on shows I watch), but she is a newer creator who has had some great, unique takes, and you might otherwise miss her, it being a smaller newer channel. She's suuuuper into Severance too. Algorithm had my back putting her (and you) in my recommended videos!
I need John Tuturro to win an Emmy for this outstanding performance. Wow. Incredible. i cried real tears while the credits rolled.
I was in actual shock... I still am
He better win an Emmy.
As opposed to crying fake tears? Or robot oil? Or blood?
In regards to the Night Gardener story, it reminded me of that moment in Arrested Development where Lucille says, "It's one banana, how much could it cost? Ten dollars?" It's a stupidly rich person disconnect. Helena down in MDR thinking "What do the poors do? Watch TV in lame apartments? Who would they talk to? Maybe gardeners?"
“What do the POORS do?” - That made me laugh out loud lol
That story was weak… can’t believe she couldn’t make up a better story - I think still think irv would have realised she wasn’t helly because of her behaviour
I wonder how all the people feel who didn't think it was Helena and gave all their reasons. they were decent reasons, counts for both ways having good reasons since it was hard to tell and it had the audience divided if it was her or not. but I wonder if the people who thought it was just Helly like this, hate it, feel like their intuition isn't as good as they thought, all that
I think she's got very little experience ever being outside of the Egan cult, so very little to actually use as a reference point too.
“Here’s some money. Go see a Star War.” -Helena throwing Irv off the scent
Irving was the one who figured it out because his Outie is an Undercover Agent investigating Lumon.
He got enough data when he was out there, and he obviously has the mental framework.
Even John Tuturro himself said he thinks who Irving is outside is the reason he's able to pick up on the things he did and not let them go
If you look at Ervin closely, he has imperfections, his mouth seems to be slanted at one side. He could be 3d printed
@@ombhetwal778bro that’s how his actor just looks lmao this isn’t gravity falls dipper cloning
@@ombhetwal778maybe he had a small stroke in the past irl
I think we can expect Dylan to discover some sort of macguffin from Irving in the near future. When Irving said to him “Just remember. Hang in there”, it was said way too intentionally to be random. I’m guessing he hid something behind the hang in there poster in the break room.
What if the macguffin is more like marks dumb idea from 2.1, but Irving did it right? He left a note for Dylan on the coat rack of the MDR room, or will somehow leave it in Dylan’s locker on the top floor? Or maybe he somehow gets into Outtie Dylan’s infamously real closet…? Idk, somewhere where Dylan hangs things and has been a typical changeover spot between his innie and outtie
Maybe a map to the “Exports Hall”
@@jcook097 … hidden behind a painting that someone in ODM recently hung…
@@paularized1 There is a poster with the text "Hang in there" in the room where they watch the video in episode 1. Also, the illustration on this poster resembles Dylan activating the protocol in the security room. I think Irv hid the drawing of the illustration behind this poster, just like Petey hid the map in the photo.
@@alineromero9308 THIS!!!
I’ll fully admit that when that jump scare happened with the bride, it scared the lineage outta me.
That scene was giving "From" vibes and was really scary 😅
Did you spill your lineage on the soil? 😅
It scared the absolute fuck out of me lmao
@@politereminder6284 Fortunately, my lineage cometh upon thy favourite tube sock.
@@politereminder6284hahahhaha
I can't believe Mark was b*lls deep in Helena and still couldn't tell it wasn't Helly 💀 Irving was right, Mark is blinded by his infatuation. Innie Irving was straight savage and he's gonna be missed if that's the last we see of him.
Mark was a virgin getting CEO kewchie instead of employee kewchie cut him some slack
Why would the first time having sex reveal anything? That would probably the last situation that someone would realize they are with a different person.
What a twist it'll be is she becomes pregnant...
@@kirielbranson4843 bro was staring into her soul - the dude belongs in horny jail if he couldn't figure it out
@@codeknox4632OH MY GOD THIS WAS ALL I COULD THINK ABOUT. it actually made the scene feel kind of gross for me? Like “dude that is a billionaire executive who’s probably had tons of celebrity D taking the virginity of a sweet unassuming low level employee and lying about who she is.” Ummmmm. That’s fucking gross? Poor sweet lil baby Mark S when he wants to get with helly for real.
I saw somewhere that there is “team building” on Petey’s map and checked out it’s true.
Also I saw on twitter that Irving said “hey kid” because if helena is gonna answer back “what’s for dinner”
what's the "what's for dinner" part from. I have bad short term memory if that was in a past episode
Do you mean if it was Helly she would answer back what's for dinner?
@@b1bbscraz3yseason 1, first episode. Irv says it every morning when he comes in to work and it is annoying the others. Also there's another reference to it in the last episode of S1 when he says "let's go see what's for dinner" before the OTC is switched
@@FateDelamorte😮 I’m going to s1 noooow
But he says this before Helly’s arrival. So she wouldn’t necessary understand it…
Mrs. Selvig was like a "thieving nanny" when they thought she took the baby
You're living in the year 3025
@@konslaver just saw a theory that this appendix was written by Ricken because of this paralell
When Irving trips and his torch goes out, the sound design is interesting. It almost sounds like he ran into something like boxes or a filing cabinet. It was really strange sounding and probably for a reason.
because its a dead hollow tree trunk covered in snow. it would have the same sound as a cushioned filing cabinet
I think Kier's brother was really him. He just gave deiter name of when he did bad acts like fapping. So he didn't have to feel shame.
😅
Deiter the beater
Exactly
That's why there's so much white outside
And he killed the part of him that felt shame, very interesting
In the first episode of season 2, after Mark S. ran to check the wellness room we see a man lurking behind him. That man is credited as Man in Hallway played by an actor named Adam Jepsen. The Mark S. double on episode 4 is credited as Shadow Mark and it's played by...you guessed it... Adam Jepsen
This is very interesting indeed
Really similar to Adam Jensen who was cybernetically enhanced
The TV has no cord, which I’m sure is a nod to the shining, I don’t think they were actually outside. Also, if they shut off Irving at the end then outie Irving would just be standing in the forest.
No, we have seen that they have the ability to fully shut you off rather than just switch you. Episode 2 shows this.
@@possumwithacowboyhat5140 in what scene do they show they can be turned off? i forgor
@ first episode, sorry. When Milchick puts Mark in the elevator after Mark yells his demands the board, he gets shut off completely with a different chime in the elevator. At least that’s what I gather happened.
Please enlighten me as to how a TV having a non-wall-outlet power source is less likely than this whole thing being a simulation, VR or otherwise.
@@possumwithacowboyhat5140he is not shutting off Mark in that scene. But there are protocols listed in S1, that might suggest such a capability
Those twins are animatronics. The replacements in the first episode mentioned how they had those in their own perpetuity wing I believe
I think they’re more like bad CGI. animatronics would be like shitty robots - physical and mechanical. Look at Dylan’s twin especially though. His feet don’t touch the ground. Instead there’s just this gap, or bad photoshop blend job.
I don’t understand why they didn’t walk up to their doppelgängers and talk to them. That would be the very first thing I did if I saw a double of me or my team.
@@saveferris486 Maybe. I'm just wary of attributing meaning in case it was just a case of bad CGI from the show itself haha. The scene where all 4 of the twins are standing on the hill together had Marks arms looking very robot like which is why I think it was the animatronic thing.
The most complete analysis of the 4th episode! Believe me I have watched 4 or 5 other UA-cam breakdowns and this is the fullest and the best of it all!
Thinking ricken wrote appendix 4 as Natalie suggested.
Lol. I wondered if that could be the case too. Like, is that what they were working on?! Hahaha. I hope not. But I also won’t be surprised if he did.
It's totally possible, but I think the innies would be more trusting with a book that showed openly that Ricken was the author, and why I think the board/Natalie have taken such an interest
It could explain why Dieter wasn’t known to the innies, but then again there was that band, Dieter’s Brother in the real world. Maybe it one of those things cults do…hold off “exclusive” information until the person can handle the knowledge…allegedly. Like a Mason thing.
I really hope this show doesn’t go too far into Simualtion. I really like having the mystery feeling of it being something practical/actually going on in the world by this mega company.
There is no simulation. The creator has said it himself.
I honestly don’t think it will. I think that was the real outside, and that the only “simulation” storyline we’ll get, if you will, is gonna be the board’s digital consciousness.
i didn’t get the impression that this was a simulation. i thought since it was an Eagan National Park that they could easily manage them while actually be outside.
@ exactly 💯
I don’t think it was a simulation. It’s a floor in the building. Dylan was wrong. That was a celing
Your enthusiasm for the show absolutely matches my own! I am always so happy to see your posts and “see” them - televisually 😂
On a mountain ledge in the freezing cold??😂
"Kier invites you to drink his water" - and Helen certainly was able to do that
Yo not after he skeeted all over the place
I no longer think it's a matrix environment. Or at least, not with this episode.
Remember the second Mark innie in the first episode of this season mentioning that their Eagan museum had moving mannequins? It made me think of animatronics. So when the shadow versions of the 4 innies appeared, I wondered if they were animatronics because of the way they moved and stood.
It wasn't until another UA-camr mentioning about how Walt Disney had a brother that something finally dawned on me. The child like innies were placed in an indoor simulator constructed like a theme park ride. It looks massively vast. But in truth, the footprint is small. You are actually looking at a lot of forced perspective fx and are moving in a circle or spiral winding path downhill. You can't tell you are going in circles because rocks and trees are blocking your full view ahead. All just like the theme park rides.
It's like the Truman Show or the battle arenas of the Hunger Games. It's all a stage set. It's all an optical illusion. It's just like a Disney World ride. They think they are on an endless journey, but in truth, they are just moving in circles.
Yup. Notice how every clone points them to go left. Four left turns you back in the same direction you started. They walk in a spiral
36:15 When "Father" is capitalized it's either talking about a God figure, or the speaker's own father, since it's basically a designation that equates to a name and names are proper nouns. So in this sentence it's totally ambiguous and could mean either - great catch!
The whole Helly vs. Helena writing was *good* writing. Attack on Titan did it too - they plant clues that connected into different and even competing theories and over time had more and more explicit supporting evidence for those different theories. Severance did it too, and it kept us looking for clues to figure out what's right. They did it so well that up to the last transition with the tree I still wasn't sure if she was Helly or Helena. I thought maybe she could switch or something. Absolutely amazing writing and amazing acting by Helly/Helena's actress.
It occurred to me watching this episode that Irv is the only member of the MDR team that seems to have experienced sleep (as far as we know). He was also the only member of the MDR team that experienced hallucinations (the black paint) that were tied to his life as an Outie. Is it possible that the reason that Lumen discourages sleeping in the office so strongly is because sleep gives the Innie access to their subconcious in a way that links them to their Outie's memories?
why would they let them sleep for the night on this outing if they knew this?
@@rektangulus That is a valid question which I can only attempt to answer with more unfounded theories
@@rektangulusthat’s the reason for the special mdr colored tents. They somehow block this effect and they couldn’t have predicted one of them would fall asleep outside the tent in the freezing cold.
For people who do not know the reference of spilling lineage on the soil. This is basically what Onan did in the Bible when he spread his population paste on the ground.
Population paste is my new favorite phrase
@@brookejansen6498 😆 🤣 😂
Pauper is known in the English language from Shakespeare's "The Prince and the Pauper" which links to your theory of Kier and Dieter switching places as that is the basic plot of the classic play. 🤔
Good theory !
It could also apply to Helena and Helli swapping. The "princess" and the pauper
The prince and the pauper was written by mark twain not Shakespeare.
@54:01 JBuck Studios had a really interesting theory on this part, with a background in the IRL Montouk Project. He also pointed out the only numbers were 1-7, and explained why that is.
take this as a grain of salt, honestly my big game theory is that Mark WAS reintegrated in that episode. And so was Irving.
I initially thought reintegration would be more akin to two people at the steering wheel, but after this episode I think it's much more complicated. I don't think the outies are conscious on the severed floor. but when you're reintegrated, your outie REMEMBERS what your innie did on the severed floor. Your innie may not be aware of the outside world still, but your outie will be aware of the inside world. it creates a strange, disorienting memory overlap.
the way this manifests to the innies? dreams and visions. when mark was doing the do with helena, he started hallucinating gemma. he starts having a vision of something from the outie world, like how the paint manifests in irving's dreams back in season 1. that is how reintegration manifests to the innies.
irving's outie has been reintegrated and committing corporate espionage for years and has been attempting to communicate the exports hall to his innie for years while his innie has been falling in love with his coworker.
(this does create the scenario that Irving's outie knows about his Innie's romance and can't act on those feelings because it could blow his cover. the drama would get crazier if Burt was also a corporate spy/reintegrated but i digress because this theory is already crazy enough)
There were no footprints leading to the clifftop TV either, and several inches of snow had drifted around the TV stand's legs, as though it had been there a long time.
In one episode Mark's new team tells him that their perpetuity wing had animatronic renditions of the CEO's that were able to move around and stuff. The shadow selves kinda just look like animatronic dolls to me.
the twins of innies seemed to me like game avatars
Like Gemma ..aka miss Casey....weird like
They looked like holograms to me. Lumon - light - also the constant reference to to RGB.
I'm pretty sold on the idea that it's a simulation. I thought the same thing pretty quickly. I ran into trouble during Irving's threatened drowning of Helena. If it's a sim, why would it matter if he drowns her, she's not really there. I thought about it and, until further info comes, I explain this problem by theorizing that if somebody dies in sim, it can overload the severance hardware in the outies head due to a power surge or something like that. If that chip shorts or flashes out somehow, that's potentially VERY bad given it's in the depths of the outie's brain. So, maybe Helena's chip shorts out or maybe it doesn't. But if Lumon knows through experimentation, that this is a definite possibility, he's NOT going to risk letting Irving snuff Helena in sim.
Most sim in movies/TV shows the person feels what's happening so it probably felt like she was drowning and dying. What I was thinking anyway
I've been patiently waiting for your take on this one. Happy friday!
"Kier Invites You to Drink of His Waters" depicts a giant Kier overlooking a map-eye view of the Great Lakes, not the place we see in Dieter-land.
I can’t I unsee Michigan and the Great Lakes now in that painting.
I think an important indication that this episode takes place in a simulation inside the office is the fact that, to bring Helly back, it is necessary to remove a block from her and not from the others - if they were actually outside the office, the protocol to activate consciousness would be affecting the innies, not the outie.
Great video, as always! I scared my cats screaming about this weird and wonderful episode! So glad to have a place to come to share in the amazing-ness of this show.
Story of Kier and Dieter similar to the tale of Romulus and Reimus and the founding of Rome
Except more jizz...😃
I thought it was a simulation until the very real water almost drowned Helana
Remember seeing Helena put her head underwater to bob for pineapples? Cool foreshadowing.
“Simulation” can mean a lot of things. They could be in an internally recreated environment like a casino in Vegas recreating a part of Italy
Yeh I don't think this is a digital simulation, but it's definitely a controlled environment.
Goat pastures anyone?
@@Kenspiracy664It is the biggest and tallest warehouse I have ever seen!
Wow, good catch on the "walked into the cave of my own mind"!
Sooo….
In the series “Severance,” the concept of being an “outie” doesn’t truly exist; all individuals are “innies” in different situations. Kier is a town founded by a religious community, where Cobel was born. Following an event that devastated most of the planet, annihilating life as we know it, Lumon serves as a sort of Noah’s Ark, aiming to repopulate the world by correcting and improving the past. Gemma was severed before Mark and knew that beyond Kier, there was nothing for thousands of kilometers. She wanted to show this to Mark by car. Thus, the accident was staged, and Gemma’s outie privileges were revoked. Petey intended to leave the town only after ensuring Mark’s safety. All citizens of Kier are either aware of the reality or have been severed.
So why even have severance?
Is this your theory or did you receive inside intel?
@@kirielbranson4843simply to hide the truth about earth.
@@Shoshanah.mine
@@weedylauda Cool! Great theory! The only thing I’d add is humanoids in the mix. I’m almost certain no one is actually human
ORTBO has to be referencing robot. idk why but it has to at least be on purpose. because “occurrence” is such a weird word normally they say “experience” like the dance experience. so it hassss to be on purpose.
they could have even used "occasion"
Regarding the night gardener I think Hellena didn't bother to think of a better story because she has a very low opinion of innies and thought they are gullable children who would swallow anything so she didn't care. It is just Hellena, same person who told her innie she is not a person and same person who got upset to be compared to innie and had a little fit. Btw that was my biggest clue that she is not Helly. She got offended when Marc told her innies and outies are the same.
Ok...if it was a simulation...like i kind of thought...at first ... Then why did they give in to Helena drowning by Irving ?? ... Is it one of those things that the mind can't handle, So it's kind of real?
It could have been like a movie set instead of a simulation
If you die in the Matrix…
The Fourth Appendix was clearly written by Ricken Hale. It’s exactly the same writing style, and Natalie just met with Ricken about writing a “version” of “The You You Are” geared toward Innies.
Especially with the whole chapter on “the kidnapping nanny” 😅😅
Ether is not actually made in a mill, but in Ether, Montgomery County, North Carolina, there is a building called the Ether Roller mill, built in 1800.
Did anyone notice Helly’s “twin” guide had her head cocked to one side? Apparently from when she tried with the rope in the elevator is my guess. This show is pure genius ❤
hadn't thought of this but makes sense.
Very Haunting of Hill House tv series.
Увидела обложку видео перед тем, как посмотреть серию😂 Благодаря этому я была готова к тому, что в серии появится эта страшная "bride" и не так испугалась во время просмотра 🙇♀️ спасибо😅
Montauk is at the end of Long Island. I live in NY. Kier was nuts, I hope they can't bring him back. LOL. Imagine I'm driving my husband nuts, he and I have vastly different tastes in tv, so he doesn't watch this show. Every single Thursday night, "This place is such a dang cult, OMG this episode is amazing, what the heck is wrong with milkshake?"
😂😂😂 we who love severance are becoming the cult!
I loved this episode!! I watched it last night and then it was in my dreams last night. I love this show and these weekly episodes are getting me through the destruction of the US. 😢 This show is the only thing that captures my attention away from what’s going on.
Me too. 😞
You and over 80% of chat from the livestream called it. It was Helena.
I guess that means it wasn’t the “wow” factor and life changing like the showrunners wanted it to be. 🤷♀️
For some reason, this episode gave me those Mr. Robot vibes more than any other.
Mr. Ortbo
@@KLondike5so great!
Thanks!
Thank you!
Is Dieter Kier's innie?
I have a seal theory. Irving’s outie - as we can assume - has some military experience, so maybe he was a Navy Seals solider in the past. So my theory is that the dead seal is the hint to viewers about his “death” in the end of this episode
Or that he was dead and brought back, like Gemma / Ms. Casey.
Mark and Helena doing the nasty in the forest could allude to Dieter (Mark) spilling his lineage on the forest floor. I don't think it's a coincidence that immediately after Helena points that out they get into a 'seed spilling, situation heh.
Also- Milkshake is going to be seen as incompetent for almost allowing Helena to die paving the way for Cobel to return as the severed lead.same reason she was dismissed and this is Milkshakes 2nd or 3rd muck up
Yep that fucking tv appearing out of nowhere was it for me
Igor I love your videos. The Severance community is so awesome
Thanks! You should do Resident Alien reviews too!
Yes. No one covers Resident Alien or Reginald the Vampire.
There’s actors credited for those “twin” versions of MDR. Don’t think they are CGI.
I think you’ve basically got it. When father is a title or someone specific, like Father Christmas? Capital. When you’re saying my father or your father? No capital. When you’re saying Father pass the salt at dinner, because you’re using it as a name? Capital.
I really REALLY doubt it’s a simulation, VR or otherwise. Weight it on the plausability scale. A TV that went initially unnoticed has a battery power source in a park Lumon owns, or, Lumon has come up with the technology to perfectly simulate real life stimuli through VR totally spoiling any and all rules this world has previously built. Idk guys. Seems pretty equal to me!
I’ve always respected this show for being grounded so if we start dipling into simulation bs I’m gonna be upset. This being on the severed floor also doesn’t make sense. How does the simulated sky ceiling not collapse from the pressure of being who knows how far down.
To me the biggest tell of it being a simulation is Irving not freezing to death
@@SonOvaSon How is surviving the cold for one night less realistic than hyperrealistic VR simulation? People have survived much worse IRL. Plus from a writing perspective, it’d be a bad, albeit funny, way to kill off a character. Just getting lost in the woods and dying from exposure.
@@SonOvaSon remember Irving was walking for a long time and we don't know how long he was asleep for. Who knows how this man is built with his Military background 😅 Maybe getting close to freezing is what triggers him to actually dream?
You are by far my absolute FAVORITE content creator for breaking down shows!! Found your channel while watching 'From' and been watching ever since!! I couldn't wait to see what your reaction and thoughts were going to be for this episode! I was litterally yelling at my TV last night it was so good!! Thanks for all your hard work!!
Love all your reviews! I cant wait til next season of FROM is out! You should review Resident Alien!! Its coming with season 4 soon!
I also think Irving on the ice is symbolic of him being “on thin ice” 😢
Kinda unrelated but your “weapon on choice comment” reminded me I read somewhere that an icicle is the “perfect weapon” because it could kill someone and then melt
Also, in memory of Burt: ua-cam.com/video/wCDIYvFmgW8/v-deo.htmlsi=clqMvhosFZxo3Vi8
I am so disappointed they went with Helena pretending to be HellyR.
That said, the series just gets better.
And does this mean the person watching mark in the premiere was his shadow.
Same actor is credited. So I'd say yes.
what premiere ?
@@Kraenkii the premiere of season 2 when mark was running through corridors looking for Gemma, someone was watching him at some point
At least they show that Helena is a good person, kind and really nice
@@小笼包-m3o ooooh right
Kier's painting of the waters is an artist rendition of the Great Lakes in USA/Canada.
I can not unsee it now.
I think you're right about Father being capitalized has significance, however when one refers to their parent without "my" first, it is treated as a name, or proper noun.
I love my mom vs I love you, Mom.
Also, always appreciate your deep dives!
I have only seen Father capitalized to mean God...
@jeanablake2302 or a catholic priest, but he asked and I answered.
@@jeanablake2302me too
That's what I was going to say. Father (or mother) is capitalized when it's used as a proper name.
And keep in mind that “robot” is derived from a word that means “forced labor” or “slave”
I think that they can control what innie’s see, like augmented reality.
Regarding DVD: That's always their preferred method of video capture and playback. Remember, Helly is recording her retirement request on a 8cm Mini-DVD recorder and brings it up and returns with a mini 8cm DVD-R. And Helena is recording her "I was drunk and took non Lumon pills" Speech on a fancy one too.
I get what you mean as to why didn't Helena think up a better story as to what she saw. Why a night gardener. I thought that, too. But thinking about it some more now, Helena Eagan might not be used to people questioning her at all. She might be used to people taking her words to be fact being that she is part of such a powerful family. Even if people don't believe a word you say, it doesn't mean that in order to stay in good grace with you, they too won't lie by saying they believe.
Outie Helena Eagan might be too used to thinking that people accept her words at face value. Her weakness is that she is far too full of herself and thinks she is mentally superior to an innie, when in truth, she is far from it.
Igor, I realized something: when Irving says to Dylan, “Hang in there,” it’s actually a code. In the stop-motion room, there’s a picture with the words “Hang in There” written on it. I believe he left the elevator drawing there with some kind of note.
I keep thinking that he might have followed the same procedure as Mark and Peter because it’s exactly what Peter did with the map. He also calls that person, saying his innie got the message, so he might be talking to Asal.
Yea probs
@@AC-hj9tv in the trailer, helly/helena is the one who found out the draw
I think Montauk is a reference to Eternal Sunshine like you mentioned. I've been listening to the Severance Podcast and Ben Stiller has mentioned the movie and Michel Gondry as inspiration.
There were plenty of portable DVD players, but they are generally like mini laptops with a screen.
You and Screencrush are truly the only cats I feel scratching deeper than a surface level, doing your own research into things like the podcast and what not and it clearly shows with the misinformation and generalisation over huge channels are making. Smashing it fam
Imo and theory Dieter is Kiers tempers he had to tame. He had to tame dieter whatever and to do that he had to kill that part of himself and that is how he thought of the idea of severance.
The going into your own mind Dieter/ Kier
Good point, makes sense.
Igor! You're so fast!!!
that's what she said
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TL;DR Kier ate shrooms, his brain changed permanently as a result and altered his perception of reality and he founded Lumon to change everyone to see it his way.
This episode and Helena's remarks gave me an idea: what if Kier and his brother were abused by his dad, ran into the forest and ate some shrooms? That would explain why his brother supposedly masturbated in nature and why supposedly Kier killed him and had a hallucination. Kier also describes his brother's behavior quite weirdly before he supposedly masturbated, being one with nature - that feeling of oneness with your surrounding has been found in neuroscience research to be something that is in the brain and can be manipulated, and some people who took shrooms and some other drugs reported this feeling and perception, too.
Shrooms are currently being used in cutting-edge research to cure depression which is a mental illness/disorder, so, again - in the brain, and they've been found to increase the ability of the brain to change its structure, in particular form new connections. There's even a hypothesis that spoken language itself was developed thanks to ancient humans accidentally eating shrooms by connecting areas of the brain that weren't that connected before. The point is that shrooms can permanently change people's perception of the world by changing their brain.
In addition to that, many ancient cultures around the world, some still to this day, use(d) hallucinogenic drugs - such as shrooms - to put people into an altered state of consciousness for various purposes. In some native American tribes they used it to heal mental illnesses where people would get high, hallucinate things, have strong emotional states - like in dreams - where they would face their fears. It also used the shamans, those spiritual leaders/healers to make decisions that they would call communicating with gods or spirits.
I think that might have been Kier's situation - he ate some shrooms, got high, killed his brother for something he did that he was brought up to think is immoral (masturbation - remember, he lived in the 1800s - Christianity and the church and all) and hallucinated that half-woman who said it was his fault. He "conquered" that fear by rejecting that feeling. By not accepting his own judgement on himself, rejecting that blame, it increased his ego - that's something that happens with people in general and people with mental illnesses/disorders in general - it's done to protect the person's ability to function (their ego). And that was the first temper he tamed.
He probably later experienced some other experienced that threatened his ego that he wanted to not feel, AKA to control, AKA to tame. IIRC his 4th appendix said he tamed the rest of them in that cave they mentioned and that aligns with shamanic practices - some did those things in caves, too, and it aligns in particular with them going through their hallucination and experiences on those drugs in one sitting, and aligns with the savior story structure where the hero goes through a journey and comes back changed. It also aligns with the fact that the retreat was meant to be 2 days - Kier might have gone through it all in 2 days.
And once he tamed those tempers - he felt like he was in total control over himself.
And as a changed man who felt complete freedom and saw the world differently now he wanted to spread his worldview. Strong experiences usually are strong motivators, which would explain why he worked so hard for years for his vision with founding Lumon and making the effort to grow it, gather followers, etc.. Do notice that he talks messianically - "my children" and giving things to people, bettering the world and so on, as if something happened to him or he saw something that he later wants to spread - this theory aligns with that.
Jesus also has a messianic story - one where he comes back to life, so there's there are 2 parallel's to both this theory in that and to the theory of bringing him back to life. And it could be that the way Lumon is trying to do that is by creating a robot host while re-creating his (mental) brain.
I think MDR was brought to the retreat to tame their tempers, too, to be more like Kier. Why - I don't know, maybe something that had to do with Gemma, maybe Lumon could extract something from them after they tamed their tempers, maybe to complete Gemma, which would then be used somehow to bring Kier back - after all, they'd need a person with tamed tempers to bring Kier back.
“Basically, today I learned some words I’m never gonna use again”. - 😂😂😂
"Milkshake" in that vanilla colored outfit has me cryyyying😂😂😂
There's nothing better than Igor's pronunciation of "Irving".
YES! Every week I feel compelled to comment on my favourite pronunciations and “Irving” tickles my brain every episode!
Irving even under the spell of Lumon is a survivalist.
"The Thieving Nanny" is Cobel-like. I like your image of Kier as a psycho-killer.
Short woman with German ties gives me strong Queen Victoria vibes. Father = fatherland
HOW WOULD YOU RATE EPISODE 4 ON A SCALE OF 1 TO 10?
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9/10 - Seriously amazed at the acting masterclass Turturro and Tillman gave in this episode. 🏆 💪
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Simulation theory (both theorizing that the twist in fiction AND those dorks that think we're living in a simulation IRL) is LAZY AF. I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm saying if they did that it would be some of the laziest writing possible.
Just as lazy as it's someone's dream
@@AC-hj9tv yes, a simulation is just a variation of "it was all a dream"
That intro was diabolical lmao
Father is being used like a name, not just a description, so that’s why it’s capitalized. If they said, “We must return to our father,” then it would be lowercase.
I have loved your breakdowns every episode this season, keep it up!
Wanted to share a theory that Irving telling Dylan “hang in there” is him telling Dylan he left him a map to the exports hall behind the “hang in there” poster in the break room.
You're wrong. I have good news about hell. There's 6 episodes left not 5 ;)
Your review is again awesome! Your enthusiasm for the show mirrors the rest of the die-hard fans and I love it!
The fact we cant see any of their breaths despite being in a supposedly frigid environment says to me this is some kind of a simulation or something...
I saw them on my TV.
When Irving "wakes" up in his dream against the rock - doesn't the rock look like a headstone? Are they all in some coma?
Helena is kind of having the opposite journey as kier and his brother are shown to experience. She isn’t killing the part that wants to go into the woods she’s becoming that. Maybe she will be the downfall of lumen.
For instance, the temperament who In Irving’s vision was sitting at Helena’s desk. I think this visually shows us The connection.
Igor never change man
Hate the idea of it being a simulation entirely. It’s been done to many times and what severance is doing feels new and different
Same. I will be upset if that overdone trope is a big part of it.
Montauk is also commonly known as "The End"
I saw Real Enigmas & Theories (maybe check it out for your streaming session!!) and he threw out a theory that this location may be an actual location on lumen grounds somewhere because on Petey’s map, there was a section titled Team Building or something like that. Maybe this is a lab where they’re sleeping and it’s in the mind, or maybe it’s a replica of a special location built somewhere on or under Lumen property I don’t know but this season is insane and I love it
Again. The Innies are the implant ( eg Petey) and the Outies are suppose to be the the Living person with a brain. But this episode has just revealed that this is all a "Matrix" world involving at least very powerful AI ... with the possibility the Humankind is now extinct.
how did it prove this?
When I saw the opening scene all I could think of was the cold ......cold harbour😮
I think, that by the end of the series, we find out that the work they do in MDR controls the monsters in Fromville and maybe even what people end up in the town😁. That would be a huge twist and a great cross over, not to mention, a lot of fun