Mistake? But this week was sort of a repeat, or sequel, to last week's Russian News. Sorry Indy, but you have aa long way to go before matching the mistakes-level of Cordona.
Wonder if many Italian soldiers would have intentionally written criticisms about the army to get away from the front. I'd rather be sitting in jail than following the orders of Cadorna.
I would probably sneak criticism little by little to get arrested but not killed. "things are as you would expect, but the food is awful" then, "food is still bad and I am getting tired of this uniform" and so on.
Sorry if it's a bit too late, but yes: the University of Pisa, the Crusca Academy (Italy's linguistic academy and the oldest in the world) together with other institutions have set up a website in 2018, Voci della Grande Guerra ("Voices from the Great War"), an internet archive of digitalized letters from all sides in Italy in WWI: soldiers from the front, ordinary people at home writing to the military, high command confiding among themselves, and so on and so forth. One can search for key words, names and places among the letters. The caveat is, of course, that it is in Italian. I can't seem to find many written by soldiers, but here's some letters sent from civilians to the king in summer 1918, which I'm translating myself: "Your excellency, I'm writing you this to tell you that if the war doesn't end you'll see what we'll do to you: we'll chop your head off, we'll do all possible things to you, to the guy in the government and family. And we, sisters, have no fear of him, or the police, anyone; you must send my brothers back to Italy. Kind regards" "Listen here, you King: either you stop this war or you'll meet death, not just you but all the ministers in Rome, too. We're tired and we need to stop this. You'll die like your father King Umberto [murdered by an anarchist in 1900, translator's note]. You've been warned, behave accordingly" "...If you want to continue the war, send all warmongers to the trenches and send our sons back home. Think therefore well what you're doing, you've led us to pain and mourning, our sons are dying of bullets and we'll die of pain and starvation. It's not up to our sons to free the fatherland, but it's up to you and all your followers who have ruined it. [Signed] A Mother" ---- And some lighter ones: the next one is from within the military ranks. "...when General Diaz [the one who replaced Cadorna and led Italy to victory on the Piave and Vittorio Veneto, translator's note] received the unexpected order to assume command, he said quite a catchphrase, which I'm quoting as it depicts the man for those who don't know him personally. He said: You ordered me to fight with a broken sword; that's all right, we'll fight anyways" --- Written by a soldier, I assume in the final stages of Vittorio Veneto: "I finally laughed shamelessly. I enjoyed, sipped for minutes, without missing on an inch of sunlight. I drank like a bee the honey of all the people and the things that my sensitivity perceives. Late at night, I fell asleep, drunk on life and wine. But I am not full, not yet. Traveling. [Sent from] Spilimbergo" And btw I did find an interesting one by a soldier exemplifying the mood. He's talking to a woman back home, but there's no info about whether it's his mother, or sister, or wife or who knows. Anyways, here it comes: "...Now I'll tell you why I burnt half of your letter, don't get me wrong: I burnt half of it because I wanted to see what censorship had deleted. They censor many lines, but by burning the paper you can read under the erasing. Now you know why I burnt it, and be sure that it isn't for rage or anger that I burn your letters, on the contrary they are now dearer to me than yourself as these are the words that come from your heart, and I can hold them in my hand, while you yourself are just so, so far away"
Cadorna is perhaps my most hated major figure in this whole mess. At least Conrad had some class, and wasn't a murderous psycho, Cadorna enjoyed punishing his troops for failing at his headstrong strategical failures.
Yeah, Conrad was bad, but at least he didn't punish his troops sadistically on top of sending them needlessly to their deaths. Cadorna was definitely sadistic, Conrad was just an imbecile.
Conrad was unfamiliar with modern warfare, when he had his first combat experience they had just recently abolished the line infantry and still used horses.
As well as Cadorna. In fact I believe his only combat experience prior to the great war was in the 1870 capture of Rome, which was a rather trivial battle (albeit a very large moment in history). Both were pretty equal in their incompetence (while fully believing they were the most capable leaders available), but Cadorna was much more strict and harsh towards his men.
Also Conrad was allegedly a very kind person. On the Austrian Military Academy he was a very popular and beloved teacher, because he was very nice and not too strict. He also was one of the few teachers who regularly conducted drills and field days in open terrain, rather than on the parade square, which is a lot smarter and prepares the soldiers way better for war. He just couldn't handle the heat coming around the corner during the great war.
Discipline is vital to an army, but excessive discipline will reduce morale and eventually loyalty as well. I'm honestly surprised no one decided to shoot their own incompetent commanders like Cadorna, they would have saved alot of lives by riding themselves of these embarrassingly bad generals.
On the Eleventh Battle of the Isonzo, my true love gave to me Eleven avalanches Ten frontal charges Nine gangrene cases Eight MPs gunning Seven shells exploding Six boulders tumbling Fi-i-i-ive swollen lesions Four cardboard boots Three head lice Two rifle jams And Benito Mussolini
There's a whole lot about this war to cover but maybe we might hear about von Lettow-Vorbeck in October for the Battle of Mahiwa before he crosses over into Portuguese territory.
Only one more Rumble on the Isonzo left... it seems like only yesterday and two years ago the first started... let me guess, in the 12th battle Cadorna finally breaks through and ends the war in even less then 48 hours like Nivelle said he would. Sounds about right to me!
It will be someone like Currie or Boroevic for not regonizing the most important compotenent of victory is morale, which is something the military genius Cadorna believes. Just one more push!
Indy can you be much more enthusiastic and etc I'm not saying you're boring or anything in fact I like it the way you speak or do a documentary makes me idk interested.
Can't miss the irony of the italian army. Might have a significantly larger chance of surviving the war by writing negatively about the war. That guy with a 4 year sentence, I mean that would save his life!
The cackhanded idiot couldn't see that he was finished and that a coup by Kornilov and the installation of a military dictatorship would have been much better for Russia than arming a bunch of psychopaths.
I'm surprised there were not widespread violent mutinies in the Italian Army. Seeing a 'battle buddy' with whom you have shared the great bonding experience of battle and hardship threatened with capital punishment for telling the truth would push many men to rebel.
Not enough blood letting maybe. Italy had about the same population as France, but lost maybe half the men France did in WWI. Probably had not hit that critical mass where mutiny was going to happen, but the huge surrenders and near collapse in the next few months when the AH and Germans counter attack points to massive decline in morale.
4:30 the difference between the British army and the Russian army is the British army soldiers just threw their officers into a river while the Russian soldiers shot their officers when they received orders they didnt agree with
Tomorrow will be the 101th anniversary of Kornilov’s coup, I like Kornilov. And his coup was/is 2 days after my birthday ( today a day ago 12 sep was my b-day ) Overall,Great video!!
Hi Indy, best show ever made about world war one by far. Time for me to ask a question: we all know about the trenches but i would really be interested in knowing more about the defensive structures built and used in high mountain warfare, i'm thinking about italy and Austria asking this and the forts built on high mountain or the structures caved right inside the rocks of such mountain. I would be interested in details about the types, the use and the construction of these structures, even those who were actually never used during the war like the Chaberton artillery Battery between Italy and France, wich was a structure built at more than 3000 meters of altitude with 7 149mm cannons over it, imagine what it means to build such a structure. thank you.
Watched the first episode in April this year and hammered the weekly episodes until I've just got up to date now. Just want to say thanks to the whole great war team for creating this amazing show. Can I make a suggestion (though I'm sure someone else has already done so), please start a new show in 2019 using the same format for the second world war. No doubt it would be just as successful! Thanks again, really looking forward to finding out how the allies turn the war in their favour.
Yello Indy and crew, lovely work you are doing, and to think we have more than a year left, lovely! A fun question for Out of the Trenches. Was Cadorna's incompetence, Borojević's genius or a combination of both that got the Austrian lines to hold? Would be fun to hear an analysis of the battles
Verdun Electric Boogaloo 2. 2nd Musical Reference in a Row. I'm watching a couple years late. I am wondering if this is going to be a theme. Now, that part of history (since I'm watching late) I don't know yet!
Hello Indy and crew, I have a question for out of the trenches, was it common for soldiers during the Great War to commit suicide to escape the horrors of the war in the trenches ? Ps, loving the show keep up the good work.
Hey Indy and team! I was in France helping my cousins helping them move some boxes and found a Adrian helmet with a gold(ish) paint on it.Do you know what this mean? P.S love the show , helped me get a A in WW1 history.
I love this channel. But It's hard to understand everything. I watched the german Version but sadly they had to cancel the Projekt about August 2015. Great work here. Gott schütze euch
I have a question for OOTT: Why did the democratic Entente powers dislike the communists in Russia so much? We now know the horrors that such a system has brought to some countries, but it seems like it´s mostly paranoia that makes them hate the Bolsheviks. Many thanks to the entire team for such a great series!
first because the Bolsheviks wanted to end Russia's involvement in the war, which would free up many central power troops second, the ruling elites where justifiably afraid that if allowed to be established communism would spread to their countries and destroy their power
I just watched the video about Dunster and at the beginning, I thought you called it the "Dumpster Force." Now, this time, I thought you said, "The Corny Love Affair."
I'm glad to see Indy made the distinction between the Bolsheviks and Anarchists @3:40. Especially since Trotsky would later attack and kill Makhno's anarchist movement in Ukraine. On a different note... It really sickens me how little these generals care for the lives of their soldiers. They use honor and hyper-masculinity to push young people into killing others in similar conditions because they had been born in another country... it's all such an injustice.
Oh yes Kornilov even his Shock Regiments have a deep understanding even their Black uniforms show their sadness about Russia this is why their go to die on the Battle
Actually, Indy, the organisation you mentioned as 'the Secret Intelligence Service, now MI6', was the Secret Intelligence BUREAU during the Great War. The name 'MI6' was a nom de guerre if you will. The SIB became the SIS (Secret Intelligence Service) in 1920, and has never been officially known as MI6, tho' that name has been used in common parlance since the Great War.
And then years of oppression under Stalin. Sometimes I wonder if they were better off in most of 1917 than they were for the entirety of Stalin's reign.
@@ninjarider2941 21st century isn't so hot, either. They've still got the dictator, and a murderous one who has political opponents and journalists killed. Not to mention the country has been sucked dry by oligarchs and the Mafia.
I remember reading in John Gooch's the Italian Army in WW1 however (often quoted for good analysis of Morale etc) that the Austrians were on the verge of breaking and that the 11th Battle was in a way an Italian victory, since the Austrians were marginally more broken than the Italians. He posits that the Italians if facing only Austrian divisions would have decisively won Isonzo round 12. But the reinforcement by large numbers of German troops doomed a shattered Italian army by facing a much more well equipped, motivated and fresh foe in the key areas of the Caporetto front.
In the United States this week, "40 percent of the men who are to go into intensive training for possible war duty in France next spring" reported on Sept. 19 to be sent by train to training camps. Five percent of the the full quota had been mobilized on Sept. 5, so 45 percent are now in training camp.
My grandfather was in the Italian army at the time and had been wounded at one point. Unfortunately I have not been able to find any of his war records.
indy makes a comment on the british sytem allowing intent as a defesne inLynn McDonald's 1915 she wrote of one british battalion raised in london mainly from lawyers and lay students (most would becocme officers) they had the largest number of courts martial but they made enjoyable reading. The one i remember were two men saying they were rushing for their train when a band in the station started playing god Save the king. As they were in uniform they had to come to a halt and salute until the bad was done- at which point they'd missed the train.
I wonder how grateful my great-grandfather was that he emigrated from Italy to the U.S. at age 22 in 1912. I know he did not serve in the American army, but I don't know why.
He was a British General in WW2 who also served in The Great War as a British officer, and the Russian Civil War too I believe. He was the American's favorite General under Montgomery.
The Great War He fought for the British at Mons, later he was captured and set to POW camp, there he learned Russian and fought in the Russian Civil War
Wow I had no idea about Somerset Maugham! What a ludicrously ambitious assignment, akin to today talking sense into Kim Jong Un and getting him to relinquish all arms. It's a frightening world today.
Lavr Kornilov is my husband's uncle! He's the reason the family ended up in Canada. My husband was the first of the Cornelow (Kornilov) family born in the United States.
Thanks for differentiating between chaos and anarchy. It would be interesting to hear about anarchist activities in the ukraine during the russian civil war especially Nestor Machno. The anarchists first fought together with the red army against the white army but were later betrayed by the red army in the Ukraine under the command of Leon Trotzky. He said it is harder for the people to recognise the anarchists as counter revolutionary as opposed to the royalist white forces. Maybe a special episode in 2018?
What's the civilian situation like in Austro-Hungary at this point? It might be just my memory failling me, but I feel we haven't heard of them in a while.
Yes, you already saw this thumbnail and title last week already. And no one noticed the mistake but Indy.
Lol. I thought I had a feeling of Deja Vu.
The Great War Like the HBO's leaks
I did, but didn't care
Ricardo Meléndez same
Mistake? But this week was sort of a repeat, or sequel, to last week's Russian News. Sorry Indy, but you have aa long way to go before matching the mistakes-level of Cordona.
Wonder if many Italian soldiers would have intentionally written criticisms about the army to get away from the front. I'd rather be sitting in jail than following the orders of Cadorna.
If I'm not already dead by the 20th battle on the Isonzo River
Blake Gostelow had the exactly same thougt, this is probably a good question for OOTT.
I would probably sneak criticism little by little to get arrested but not killed. "things are as you would expect, but the food is awful" then, "food is still bad and I am getting tired of this uniform" and so on.
Doesn’t matter if the nation wins or loses if your dead. Gotta find a way to stay alive
Sorry if it's a bit too late, but yes: the University of Pisa, the Crusca Academy (Italy's linguistic academy and the oldest in the world) together with other institutions have set up a website in 2018, Voci della Grande Guerra ("Voices from the Great War"), an internet archive of digitalized letters from all sides in Italy in WWI: soldiers from the front, ordinary people at home writing to the military, high command confiding among themselves, and so on and so forth. One can search for key words, names and places among the letters. The caveat is, of course, that it is in Italian.
I can't seem to find many written by soldiers, but here's some letters sent from civilians to the king in summer 1918, which I'm translating myself:
"Your excellency,
I'm writing you this to tell you that if the war doesn't end you'll see what we'll do to you: we'll chop your head off, we'll do all possible things to you, to the guy in the government and family. And we, sisters, have no fear of him, or the police, anyone; you must send my brothers back to Italy.
Kind regards"
"Listen here, you King: either you stop this war or you'll meet death, not just you but all the ministers in Rome, too. We're tired and we need to stop this. You'll die like your father King Umberto [murdered by an anarchist in 1900, translator's note]. You've been warned, behave accordingly"
"...If you want to continue the war, send all warmongers to the trenches and send our sons back home. Think therefore well what you're doing, you've led us to pain and mourning, our sons are dying of bullets and we'll die of pain and starvation. It's not up to our sons to free the fatherland, but it's up to you and all your followers who have ruined it.
[Signed] A Mother"
---- And some lighter ones: the next one is from within the military ranks.
"...when General Diaz [the one who replaced Cadorna and led Italy to victory on the Piave and Vittorio Veneto, translator's note] received the unexpected order to assume command, he said quite a catchphrase, which I'm quoting as it depicts the man for those who don't know him personally. He said: You ordered me to fight with a broken sword; that's all right, we'll fight anyways"
--- Written by a soldier, I assume in the final stages of Vittorio Veneto:
"I finally laughed shamelessly. I enjoyed, sipped for minutes, without missing on an inch of sunlight. I drank like a bee the honey of all the people and the things that my sensitivity perceives. Late at night, I fell asleep, drunk on life and wine.
But I am not full, not yet.
Traveling.
[Sent from] Spilimbergo"
And btw I did find an interesting one by a soldier exemplifying the mood. He's talking to a woman back home, but there's no info about whether it's his mother, or sister, or wife or who knows. Anyways, here it comes:
"...Now I'll tell you why I burnt half of your letter, don't get me wrong: I burnt half of it because I wanted to see what censorship had deleted. They censor many lines, but by burning the paper you can read under the erasing. Now you know why I burnt it, and be sure that it isn't for rage or anger that I burn your letters, on the contrary they are now dearer to me than yourself as these are the words that come from your heart, and I can hold them in my hand, while you yourself are just so, so far away"
Verdun 2: Electric Bugaloo
Isonzo 11: Staircase to Heaven
Zac Rigby Isonzo 12 : The Empire Strikes Back
Cadorna is perhaps my most hated major figure in this whole mess. At least Conrad had some class, and wasn't a murderous psycho, Cadorna enjoyed punishing his troops for failing at his headstrong strategical failures.
Yeah, Conrad was bad, but at least he didn't punish his troops sadistically on top of sending them needlessly to their deaths. Cadorna was definitely sadistic, Conrad was just an imbecile.
That being said they are both terrible, and caused unnecessary death of their people without batting an eye.
Conrad was unfamiliar with modern warfare, when he had his first combat experience they had just recently abolished the line infantry and still used horses.
As well as Cadorna. In fact I believe his only combat experience prior to the great war was in the 1870 capture of Rome, which was a rather trivial battle (albeit a very large moment in history). Both were pretty equal in their incompetence (while fully believing they were the most capable leaders available), but Cadorna was much more strict and harsh towards his men.
Also Conrad was allegedly a very kind person. On the Austrian Military Academy he was a very popular and beloved teacher, because he was very nice and not too strict. He also was one of the few teachers who regularly conducted drills and field days in open terrain, rather than on the parade square, which is a lot smarter and prepares the soldiers way better for war. He just couldn't handle the heat coming around the corner during the great war.
Everything comes around eventually.
History doesn't always repeat exactly but Wager sure is making it rhyme scarily similarly today
Did you guys know that here in italy Caporetto has become a synonym for utter failure or complete disaster?
Thanks, Cadorna.
without that defeat, I doubt he would of been replaced.
I already thought Luigi Cadorna was a monster, but this video has lowered my opinion of him even further.
Discipline is vital to an army, but excessive discipline will reduce morale and eventually loyalty as well. I'm honestly surprised no one decided to shoot their own incompetent commanders like Cadorna, they would have saved alot of lives by riding themselves of these embarrassingly bad generals.
On the Eleventh Battle of the Isonzo, my true love gave to me
Eleven avalanches
Ten frontal charges
Nine gangrene cases
Eight MPs gunning
Seven shells exploding
Six boulders tumbling
Fi-i-i-ive swollen lesions
Four cardboard boots
Three head lice
Two rifle jams
And Benito Mussolini
You worked really hard on that. I see you.
I know this was six years ago, but bravo. Take my like.
I wonder what Paul is doing down in Africa, we haven't heard about him or Africa in general for a long long time.
Ya its been a while since we heard from that front.
There's a whole lot about this war to cover but maybe we might hear about von Lettow-Vorbeck in October for the Battle of Mahiwa before he crosses over into Portuguese territory.
Just kind of a slow retreat to Portuguese East Africa (modern Mozambique). Won't be another battle worth mentioning until next year.
Indiana Neidell Woah, where?
Verdun 2: Electric Boogaloo
Isonzo 11: We have run out of taglines
Battly McBattleface
Chardee MacDennis
I want to see this movie. I imagine it as a gritty war drama with, for some reason, breakdancing.
you may be.....dissapointed.....ker.....rap
Only one more Rumble on the Isonzo left... it seems like only yesterday and two years ago the first started... let me guess, in the 12th battle Cadorna finally breaks through and ends the war in even less then 48 hours like Nivelle said he would. Sounds about right to me!
Well lets just say after round 12 some one is getting fired! Not naming names.
Wrong movie, this is Rocky, he is battered for 11 rounds and on the 12th he stands up and beats the crap out of the other guy...
It will be someone like Currie or Boroevic for not regonizing the most important compotenent of victory is morale, which is something the military genius Cadorna believes. Just one more push!
The Italians will surely win the final round! Everything has gone perfect for them so far!
There once was a fellow, a Gonzo,
Who just couldn't cross the Isonzo,
Try as he might,
His men had to fight
The enemy and that stronzo! :D
Dear Indy,
MAD props for "Electric Boogaloo" You made my day.
Sincerely,
Me
+Mike F'ing Bond we need to appeal to the young people after all
Indy can you be much more enthusiastic and etc I'm not saying you're boring or anything in fact I like it the way you speak or do a documentary makes me idk interested.
Can't miss the irony of the italian army.
Might have a significantly larger chance of surviving the war by writing negatively about the war. That guy with a 4 year sentence, I mean that would save his life!
Provided the guards aren't highly indoctrinated sadists that torture the captives regularly until death.
@@WhatIsSanity With cadorna as generalissimo, that is quite likely to be the case
I think I just found my new favourite channel. I'm 3 years late tho :/
*103
Don't worry, they have a full backlog as well as summary videos for those who don't have the time for the full backlog and want to catch up anyway.
I watched some summary videos, but this topic is so interesting, that I have started watching from week one. Currently I'm on week 11
and 1 year early.
+Peter Mlej welcome to the show
Verdun II: Electric Boogaloo
Aziz al-Quds Isonzo 11: Ghostbusters 2016
Don't worry guys, it'll be over by Christmas!
Ken Cook
They've been telling us that since day 1. I'm starting to not believe that.
Ken Cook which year?
Said every soldier 3 years ago.
Ken Cook Wasn't it one (french?) general who said he would not give up even if the war took 50 years? So Christmas 1964?
ehh 1922? :D
Kerensky really shot himself in the foot by doing what he did
+BLADE hindsight is 20/20
Well he'd be overthrown by Kornilov anyway, so he just won time for his pathetic government.
He had really no choice
BLADE kerensky was doomed either way
The cackhanded idiot couldn't see that he was finished and that a coup by Kornilov and the installation of a military dictatorship would have been much better for Russia than arming a bunch of psychopaths.
Awesome that you mentioned Somerset Maugham. He was a giant.
Mussolini's ascension is looking more like a lateral change than anything else.
5:53 Stannis Baratheon would be pleased!
I just finished a huge Week By Week binge, and am now free to dive into all the tons of other stuff on the channel. What an amazing piece of work.
I'm surprised there were not widespread violent mutinies in the Italian Army. Seeing a 'battle buddy' with whom you have shared the great bonding experience of battle and hardship threatened with capital punishment for telling the truth would push many men to rebel.
I'm also surprised there weren't strikes or riots or whatever especially among the urban proletariat
Not enough blood letting maybe. Italy had about the same population as France, but lost maybe half the men France did in WWI. Probably had not hit that critical mass where mutiny was going to happen, but the huge surrenders and near collapse in the next few months when the AH and Germans counter attack points to massive decline in morale.
Wow... of all the episodes, this one blew my mind. Too much to take in. A really busy week in 1917. Well done Indy & crew (spec call out to Flo).
The next weeks will be very exciting to say the leat.
Corny Love Affair
General Courtney Love
4:30 the difference between the British army and the Russian army is the British army soldiers just threw their officers into a river while the Russian soldiers shot their officers when they received orders they didnt agree with
Glorious Soviets > Meak capitalist scum
Soviet Stronk > British Week
Love your work Indy and team!!!
_"Give to Mr Zed Zed the promised chocolate"_ ;)
Zed's dead, babe
Thanks for teaching. Excellent.
damn Kornilov.... you had ONE JOB
He badly misread the situation.
Tomorrow will be the 101th anniversary of Kornilov’s coup, I like Kornilov. And his coup was/is 2 days after my birthday ( today a day ago 12 sep was my b-day ) Overall,Great video!!
Kornilov forgot Omar's rule: when you come at the king, you best not miss
I'm sure Russia will be okay, right guys? October comes around and everybody lives happily ever after? RIGHT?
Kinglorre Sure, what could possibly happen? The Bolsheviks weren't a threat
Who does this Lenin guy think he is, anyways?
And you know his mate, the Stalin guy? He'll never amount to anything. I'd be surprised if any other Bolsheviks know he exists!
Hi Indy, best show ever made about world war one by far.
Time for me to ask a question: we all know about the trenches but i would really be interested in knowing more about the defensive structures built and used in high mountain warfare, i'm thinking about italy and Austria asking this and the forts built on high mountain or the structures caved right inside the rocks of such mountain. I would be interested in details about the types, the use and the construction of these structures, even those who were actually never used during the war like the Chaberton artillery Battery between Italy and France, wich was a structure built at more than 3000 meters of altitude with 7 149mm cannons over it, imagine what it means to build such a structure. thank you.
Hi Andrea, can you submit your question here: outofthetrenches.thegreatwar.tv ? Thanks!
indeed i can. thank you!
Been following from the beginning ... Excellent job Indy..
Very very interesting episode about troops, social topics and repression!
There's a new headline there's a new sensation, everybody's talking about the situation (in Petrograd)
Thank you for the electric Boogaloo reference. 39 years old and still funny.
Watched the first episode in April this year and hammered the weekly episodes until I've just got up to date now. Just want to say thanks to the whole great war team for creating this amazing show.
Can I make a suggestion (though I'm sure someone else has already done so), please start a new show in 2019 using the same format for the second world war. No doubt it would be just as successful!
Thanks again, really looking forward to finding out how the allies turn the war in their favour.
Could you produce a special episode on military police?
i did not expect Indy to say "verdun 2: electric boogaloo" but it was a welcome surprise
i really like this show
What an episode.
Keep up the amazing work!
Wow lots of foreshadowing for future events, can't wait for the last episode of october.
Verdun 2: Electric Boogaloo
I love you, Indy. Never stop being you
Yello Indy and crew, lovely work you are doing, and to think we have more than a year left, lovely!
A fun question for Out of the Trenches.
Was Cadorna's incompetence, Borojević's genius or a combination of both that got the Austrian lines to hold? Would be fun to hear an analysis of the battles
+Stefan Stefanovic outofthetrenches.thegreatwar.tv
Verdun Electric Boogaloo 2. 2nd Musical Reference in a Row. I'm watching a couple years late. I am wondering if this is going to be a theme. Now, that part of history (since I'm watching late) I don't know yet!
Hello Indy and crew, I have a question for out of the trenches, was it common for soldiers during the Great War to commit suicide to escape the horrors of the war in the trenches ?
Ps, loving the show keep up the good work.
I cannot wait to see the next battle of the Isonzo
Nice to hear you explane that anarchy CAN be chaos but that anarchism is not chaos
My sides :'D Verdun 2: Electric Boogaloo, had to pause the video
And so it begins.
Hey Indy and team! I was in France helping my cousins helping them move some boxes and found a Adrian helmet with a gold(ish) paint on it.Do you know what this mean? P.S love the show , helped me get a A in WW1 history.
+Still Gone it could be a firefighter helmet or something along this line of work? and congratulations on your A that makes us proud.
When "Warsaw" Poland it came a "Russian". Love the channel, been watching since 2015!
It is an original pun.
I don't understand your first sentence. Could you maybe rephrase or take a look to see if it was worded right?
I love this channel.
But It's hard to understand everything.
I watched the german Version but sadly they had to cancel the Projekt about August 2015.
Great work here.
Gott schütze euch
Ja, ist wirklich schade, dass wir das nicht auch noch in deutsch machen können, aber schön, dass du noch da bist.
I have a question for OOTT: Why did the democratic Entente powers dislike the communists in Russia so much? We now know the horrors that such a system has brought to some countries, but it seems like it´s mostly paranoia that makes them hate the Bolsheviks. Many thanks to the entire team for such a great series!
first because the Bolsheviks wanted to end Russia's involvement in the war, which would free up many central power troops
second, the ruling elites where justifiably afraid that if allowed to be established communism would spread to their countries and destroy their power
The entente powers were capitalist countires lead by the bourgeois. I think it should be pretty obvious
+Diego Spranger outofthetrenches.thegreatwar.tv
Oh wow didn´t know that existed! Will you use it a lot from now on.
Realpolitik
I just watched the video about Dunster and at the beginning, I thought you called it the "Dumpster Force." Now, this time, I thought you said, "The Corny Love Affair."
Verdun II: electric boogaloo
Para os trabalhadores a revolução foi positiva
I'm glad to see Indy made the distinction between the Bolsheviks and Anarchists @3:40. Especially since Trotsky would later attack and kill Makhno's anarchist movement in Ukraine.
On a different note... It really sickens me how little these generals care for the lives of their soldiers. They use honor and hyper-masculinity to push young people into killing others in similar conditions because they had been born in another country... it's all such an injustice.
Man, it's amazing how bad cadorna still is
Oh yes Kornilov even his Shock Regiments have a deep understanding even their Black uniforms show their sadness about Russia this is why their go to die on the Battle
Actually, Indy, the organisation you mentioned as 'the Secret Intelligence Service, now MI6', was the Secret Intelligence BUREAU during the Great War. The name 'MI6' was a nom de guerre if you will. The SIB became the SIS (Secret Intelligence Service) in 1920, and has never been officially known as MI6, tho' that name has been used in common parlance since the Great War.
That "Verdun 2: Electric Boogaloo" joke caught me so off guard, I have to check the Ardennes for Germans.
/ greetings from Belgium
Poor russia, WW1, then civil war
And then years of oppression under Stalin. Sometimes I wonder if they were better off in most of 1917 than they were for the entirety of Stalin's reign.
WW1, revolution, civil war, Red Terror, famines, Great Terror, WW2, slave labor camps, dictatorship... the 20th century was brutal for Russia.
All checks out except... slave labour camps? Dictatorship? You don't have to make things up to prove a point, the list is already long enough.
@@ninjarider2941
> famines
Man-made famines. Which is even worse.
@@ninjarider2941 21st century isn't so hot, either. They've still got the dictator, and a murderous one who has political opponents and journalists killed. Not to mention the country has been sucked dry by oligarchs and the Mafia.
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Short Names thanks for that lol
Short Names really helpful.
Short Names Damnit man, no spoilers!
And 10:51 for the end.
Thanks, you've just saved 0:00 seconds of my life.
Wow, the italians really went nuts, 1 day late and you getting executed ? I can see why nationalism socialism got a foothold in Italy after the war.
Facism, originator of national socialism or one of inspirations of it .
I remember reading in John Gooch's the Italian Army in WW1 however (often quoted for good analysis of Morale etc) that the Austrians were on the verge of breaking and that the 11th Battle was in a way an Italian victory, since the Austrians were marginally more broken than the Italians. He posits that the Italians if facing only Austrian divisions would have decisively won Isonzo round 12. But the reinforcement by large numbers of German troops doomed a shattered Italian army by facing a much more well equipped, motivated and fresh foe in the key areas of the Caporetto front.
In the United States this week, "40 percent of the men who are to go into intensive training for possible war duty in France next spring" reported on Sept. 19 to be sent by train to training camps. Five percent of the the full quota had been mobilized on Sept. 5, so 45 percent are now in training camp.
serving prison sentence for writing letters wasn't so bad when the alternative was following Cadorna & fighting to death in the Alps.
My grandfather was in the Italian army at the time and had been wounded at one point. Unfortunately I have not been able to find any of his war records.
Kerensky lived until 1970? Wow
Love the Khukuri !!
I cannot wait for Luigi Cadorna to get the boot. It will be glorious.
WORKERS OF THE WORLD, UNITE!
As awful as rooting for the war to have lasted longer is, I'm gonna miss this channel so much when it does
"I did not see that coming" - Kerensky, probably
indy makes a comment on the british sytem allowing intent as a defesne inLynn McDonald's 1915 she wrote of one british battalion raised in london mainly from lawyers and lay students (most would becocme officers) they had the largest number of courts martial but they made enjoyable reading. The one i remember were two men saying they were rushing for their train when a band in the station started playing god Save the king. As they were in uniform they had to come to a halt and salute until the bad was done- at which point they'd missed the train.
They keep doing good
just got 10 years of hard Italian jail for “Another such victory and we shall be utterly ruined”
Never knew that Courtney Love was involved in this. Thx! Another lesson learned!
BREAKIN' 2 reference FTW! Hahahahaha! well done.
That is the problem with disarmament, the wrong side always seems to be the only ones packing.
I don't think there really was a "right side" in Russia at the time.
Oh boy Caporetto is just around the corner
I wonder how grateful my great-grandfather was that he emigrated from Italy to the U.S. at age 22 in 1912. I know he did not serve in the American army, but I don't know why.
3:53 This later generated «Ashenden: Or the British Agent»
Étaples: "...a kind of paddock where the beasts are kept a few days before the shambles" - Wilfred Owen
Who did what in World War One about General Horrocks
+Indiana Jones who?
He was a British General in WW2 who also served in The Great War as a British officer, and the Russian Civil War too I believe. He was the American's favorite General under Montgomery.
The Great War He fought for the British at Mons, later he was captured and set to POW camp, there he learned Russian and fought in the Russian Civil War
Why do I see u in every video
Indiana Jones he spent most of the war as a POW
*October intensifies*
No verdun 2 legend of curly's gold Indy... why you do this to me.
Wow I had no idea about Somerset Maugham! What a ludicrously ambitious assignment, akin to today talking sense into Kim Jong Un and getting him to relinquish all arms. It's a frightening world today.
Armando Diaz save us all!
I can see Adam Driver portraying Lavr Kornilov in a movie.
+Jeff Crowther Jr. Spot on!
BTW, there was a BBC mini-series from the 1970's titled "Fall of Eagles" in which a young Sir Patrick Stewart plays Lenin.
Lavr Kornilov is my husband's uncle! He's the reason the family ended up in Canada. My husband was the first of the Cornelow (Kornilov) family born in the United States.
not a flex
@@legobros2020 definitely not, but it IS interesting.
Are you going to do a special on Somerset Maugham?
OK, now I'm confused. Which was the bigger lost opportunity Isonzo X or Isonzo XI?
Thanks for differentiating between chaos and anarchy. It would be interesting to hear about anarchist activities in the ukraine during the russian civil war especially Nestor Machno. The anarchists first fought together with the red army against the white army but were later betrayed by the red army in the Ukraine under the command of Leon Trotzky. He said it is harder for the people to recognise the anarchists as counter revolutionary as opposed to the royalist white forces. Maybe a special episode in 2018?
Trying our best to cover it.
What's the civilian situation like in Austro-Hungary at this point? It might be just my memory failling me, but I feel we haven't heard of them in a while.
Looking it up there is only one more battle of insozo river left. Thankfully cordona reigns after it so there wasn’t 20 of them by the end of the war