This hits a whole lot of themes that I think are right on point! Definitions are kind of the key to all this thinking. In my book, Sensors can be abstract (the stereotypical ISTJ engineer can have a head full of Si-learned formulas, theories and process -- they may apply them, but they apply them in an abstract space). Intuitives can appear concrete even if they live in a symbolic state (and as a side note, Linda Berens, the neo-Jungian who advocates the abstract-concrete dynamic in personality typing, said this dichotomy does not map to MBTI's intuition vs. sensing. Abstract-concrete is its own thing). For INFPs leaning pragmatic, I blame Fi's "attached reasoning" which prioritizes what's important to the subject first, while Ti's "detached reasoning" prioritizes accuracy first. If you're not interested in physics, then that's that. While for sicparvismagna, physics is important and therefore he is deep in it. This doesn't make INFPs any more Sensor-like... but there is something human and grounding about the Fi-Si combination that INFPs and ENFPs have, while Ti/Si for INTPs and ENTPs have more potential to rocket off deep into theoretical spaces. It's a really good topic and I love how authentically you approached it -- so nice to see Fi in its natural habitat, processing its own ideas and coming to its own conclusions.
@@dulles1969 hi! Yes sensors can be abstract. The definitions of different words like theoretical, abstract, intuitive kind of overlap but are not the same. I remember your video talking about the Berens system. It seems maybe INFPs might be more "concrete" on that scale but it is totally different scale that is not measuring the same qualities as mbti. Hmm yes i guess the subjective attachment to theory is quite Fi and Fi can latch itself to a lot of different topics, which makes us so different from each other as infps. It is interesting what you said about Fi-Si being more grounded in a way than Ti-Si, because i sometimes see my ISFJ friend is much more interested with exploring theoretical knowledge than i am. Thanks as always for the insights! 😊
One reason to love philosophy is because it piques one's interest in anything that could be spoken of in the first place (as a meta-stance - analogy to metaphysics as a discipline). Philosophy structures and organises what we know or see into a meaningful system while looking beyond the accepted facts, making even seemingly obvious things appear more intriguing and complex in general. I'd say philosophy is a very infp field, as it 1) allows very broad interdisciplinary speculation about the things you personally find important 2) provides reasons to integrate more things into one's value system 3) provides frameworks through which one could try to process reality/life/the world and beyond in a very differentiated and multilayered way. Basically, it is a haven for those who seek meaning. It is, in my opinion, full of subjectivity or approaches to subjective experience, although it does try to avoid contradictions, which is also a good thing.
P.S. by "full of subjectivity" I do not mean that beliefs/opinions would not have to be backed up. I meant it in a sense of high interest in the 'subject' as well as the involvement of subjective experiences or values in what becomes an object of discussion. Philosophy is quite close to life:)
Hey! Yeah I've thought this too about INFPs, I often think having 'Si child' is a huge aspect of INFPs and I remember there was a time where I kept mistyping INFPs as ISFJs lol. And like you say, that sensory world can be nice for us when we are basically alone, doing things at our own pace, looking after ourselves. Philosophy is a weird one, I went to uni to study creative writing but ended up doing philosophy as a major. There were a few INFPs in philosophy and we all stayed very silent. There were even more INFJs, as you can imagine. I found it hard to follow along with a lot of it, especially the more focused on 'logic' it got, but then again so many of the classes felt very 'Fi' and that's what carried me through, I would basically write all of my essays in a very INFP way, which sometimes got good results but certainly didn't by my final year lol.
@@vondelpete hmm yes i mistyped myself isfj when i first discovered mbti. Yeah im not saying philosophy is not for infps. I'm glad you could do the Fi thing, as long as it lasted 😅 thanks for the response! 😊
Hey Ingrid, so much to consider here! So many layers to what can be considered intelligence too...emotional, creative, constructive, as well as the logical/theoretical. Naturally it begs the question "What is intelligence?" My own very flimsy and broad-brush definition could be 'consistency of vision'...toward whatever problem/goal you're trying to achieve...and that's....all I have at this moment, ha. Another alleged INFP and I were talking about naturally leaning more into our SI throughout life, so that makes sense that we'd be more sensory than realized... Will be considering a lot more of what you said here. Much appreciated. -Carm
@@gorvo31 ah yes, i was about to do a video about the different forms of intelligence but after rambling for 30 minutes i realized I'm not articulate enough on the subject 😅 also my intent was not to make sensors seem like less intelligent in any way, like you said there are many kinds of intelligence, and often sensor intelligence is the best adapted for life. Nice attempt at a definition! I would say the definition of consistency of vision is very geared towards Ni-Ti which doesn't put infps very high in that aspect 🙈 But i don't disagree, it just gave me some more to ponder 😊
Hi Ingrid, Intelligence can be really heterogeneous. People can be really good in some areas but can be awfully bad in some areas without any logic. I should check Pete's video. I didn't have time to watch it. Well I guess concerning theoretical concepts, they appeal too much to me ( no surprise knowing that I have a science degree) that makes me always skeptical if I'm really an INFP but somehow I do strongly relate about Fi and strong connexions and 2 of my closest friends are INFP ( including you 😊) and I also struggle with the real world ( kinda of Se Blindspot) so it's really confusing 😅 but somehow I feel comfortable thinking about myself as an INFP :) That's really interesting about tracking the position of bees! It combines many interesting concepts of math and physics. My thoughts are all over the place😅 but somehow I manage to structure to them to get some coherent conclusions. It's interesting you mentioned the Krebs cycle because I was thinking about it the last days just of a dialogue I had in my head and I remember I even used it as metaphor , I can get attached to some concepts but I can get interesting in some concepts just because I like the analytical process I see whom you were aiming for when you mentioned physics 😂 as I heard once " you can shoot the message but don't shoot the messenger" 🙂 . I guess I don't how to answer because I followed a path where I pursue something filled with theoretical concepts but I sometimes struggle with some concepts because theory can run really deep. It was interesting. Thanks for sharing.
@@sicparvismagna1294 yes i made a first draft of this video going into different definitions of intelligence but it ended up being a half hour without any point. Yes it is quite confusing to me as well just how much theory or practical i like. Lol yes the physics is for you, but i think a few others too 😊 I'm thinking Dulles is quite analytical. Maybe being intuitive is more than just being interested in theoretical things. I think infps do like metaphors and abstraction quite a bit so i don't know what to think 😅
I'm told that I am an INFP and also that I am on the spectrum. I also supposedly have a rather average IQ. I just left my 25 year career in medicine and I feel so much better! I had to mask so, so much to function in medicine. I really had trouble for the first part of my career in keeping up with documenting my medical records. I had that type of perfectionism which really reduced my productivity but my patient outcomes were very good. Now I'm studying quantum physics because I do love the theoretical side of things. I ultimately would like to apply quantum physics to healing both with and without technology. As a physician in the US, I was under a lot of pressure to make money while also not utilizing insurance money. How is it to practice medicine in Sweden?
@@StudentofTruth-444 wow how cool! I rarely get the chance to have another doctor on my channel, especially one who has left the profession! I don't know anything about quantum physics and healing, that would be revolutionary when that becomes possible. The work conditions are much better in sweden but you get like half the salary. I don't need to worry about health insurance in socialized medicine, but i do need to write a lot more sick leaves for people. I work in the public sector for the region and we don't have much money, which reduces our possibilities, but at least we don't have to "produce" as much to earn a company money. I understand about the masking and the admin piling up, it really is bad for me too. I'm glad you are on your way to a more fulfilling career, wish you all the best! 😊
Hello, Sorry for barging in but I found your comment really interesting. I'm a loyal viewer of this channel and it's the first time I see such a comment. I have a master's degree in physics and I'm curious to know what you meant by using quantum physics for healing. Also it's really interesting to know you used to be a doctor, I think it's an incredible combination. I think I'm an INFP too and I was always skeptical since I'm very interested in theoretical concepts. Thanks for your comment.
This hits a whole lot of themes that I think are right on point! Definitions are kind of the key to all this thinking. In my book, Sensors can be abstract (the stereotypical ISTJ engineer can have a head full of Si-learned formulas, theories and process -- they may apply them, but they apply them in an abstract space). Intuitives can appear concrete even if they live in a symbolic state (and as a side note, Linda Berens, the neo-Jungian who advocates the abstract-concrete dynamic in personality typing, said this dichotomy does not map to MBTI's intuition vs. sensing. Abstract-concrete is its own thing).
For INFPs leaning pragmatic, I blame Fi's "attached reasoning" which prioritizes what's important to the subject first, while Ti's "detached reasoning" prioritizes accuracy first. If you're not interested in physics, then that's that. While for sicparvismagna, physics is important and therefore he is deep in it. This doesn't make INFPs any more Sensor-like... but there is something human and grounding about the Fi-Si combination that INFPs and ENFPs have, while Ti/Si for INTPs and ENTPs have more potential to rocket off deep into theoretical spaces.
It's a really good topic and I love how authentically you approached it -- so nice to see Fi in its natural habitat, processing its own ideas and coming to its own conclusions.
@@dulles1969 hi! Yes sensors can be abstract. The definitions of different words like theoretical, abstract, intuitive kind of overlap but are not the same. I remember your video talking about the Berens system. It seems maybe INFPs might be more "concrete" on that scale but it is totally different scale that is not measuring the same qualities as mbti.
Hmm yes i guess the subjective attachment to theory is quite Fi and Fi can latch itself to a lot of different topics, which makes us so different from each other as infps.
It is interesting what you said about Fi-Si being more grounded in a way than Ti-Si, because i sometimes see my ISFJ friend is much more interested with exploring theoretical knowledge than i am.
Thanks as always for the insights! 😊
One reason to love philosophy is because it piques one's interest in anything that could be spoken of in the first place (as a meta-stance - analogy to metaphysics as a discipline). Philosophy structures and organises what we know or see into a meaningful system while looking beyond the accepted facts, making even seemingly obvious things appear more intriguing and complex in general. I'd say philosophy is a very infp field, as it 1) allows very broad interdisciplinary speculation about the things you personally find important 2) provides reasons to integrate more things into one's value system 3) provides frameworks through which one could try to process reality/life/the world and beyond in a very differentiated and multilayered way. Basically, it is a haven for those who seek meaning. It is, in my opinion, full of subjectivity or approaches to subjective experience, although it does try to avoid contradictions, which is also a good thing.
P.S. by "full of subjectivity" I do not mean that beliefs/opinions would not have to be backed up. I meant it in a sense of high interest in the 'subject' as well as the involvement of subjective experiences or values in what becomes an object of discussion. Philosophy is quite close to life:)
Hey! Yeah I've thought this too about INFPs, I often think having 'Si child' is a huge aspect of INFPs and I remember there was a time where I kept mistyping INFPs as ISFJs lol. And like you say, that sensory world can be nice for us when we are basically alone, doing things at our own pace, looking after ourselves.
Philosophy is a weird one, I went to uni to study creative writing but ended up doing philosophy as a major. There were a few INFPs in philosophy and we all stayed very silent. There were even more INFJs, as you can imagine. I found it hard to follow along with a lot of it, especially the more focused on 'logic' it got, but then again so many of the classes felt very 'Fi' and that's what carried me through, I would basically write all of my essays in a very INFP way, which sometimes got good results but certainly didn't by my final year lol.
@@vondelpete hmm yes i mistyped myself isfj when i first discovered mbti.
Yeah im not saying philosophy is not for infps. I'm glad you could do the Fi thing, as long as it lasted 😅 thanks for the response! 😊
Hey Ingrid, so much to consider here! So many layers to what can be considered intelligence too...emotional, creative, constructive, as well as the logical/theoretical. Naturally it begs the question "What is intelligence?" My own very flimsy and broad-brush definition could be 'consistency of vision'...toward whatever problem/goal you're trying to achieve...and that's....all I have at this moment, ha.
Another alleged INFP and I were talking about naturally leaning more into our SI throughout life, so that makes sense that we'd be more sensory than realized...
Will be considering a lot more of what you said here. Much appreciated. -Carm
@@gorvo31 ah yes, i was about to do a video about the different forms of intelligence but after rambling for 30 minutes i realized I'm not articulate enough on the subject 😅 also my intent was not to make sensors seem like less intelligent in any way, like you said there are many kinds of intelligence, and often sensor intelligence is the best adapted for life.
Nice attempt at a definition! I would say the definition of consistency of vision is very geared towards Ni-Ti which doesn't put infps very high in that aspect 🙈 But i don't disagree, it just gave me some more to ponder 😊
Hi Ingrid,
Intelligence can be really heterogeneous. People can be really good in some areas but can be awfully bad in some areas without any logic.
I should check Pete's video. I didn't have time to watch it.
Well I guess concerning theoretical concepts, they appeal too much to me ( no surprise knowing that I have a science degree) that makes me always skeptical if I'm really an INFP but somehow I do strongly relate about Fi and strong connexions and 2 of my closest friends are INFP ( including you 😊) and I also struggle with the real world ( kinda of Se Blindspot) so it's really confusing 😅 but somehow I feel comfortable thinking about myself as an INFP :)
That's really interesting about tracking the position of bees! It combines many interesting concepts of math and physics.
My thoughts are all over the place😅 but somehow I manage to structure to them to get some coherent conclusions.
It's interesting you mentioned the Krebs cycle because I was thinking about it the last days just of a dialogue I had in my head and I remember I even used it as metaphor , I can get attached to some concepts but I can get interesting in some concepts just because I like the analytical process
I see whom you were aiming for when you mentioned physics 😂 as I heard once " you can shoot the message but don't shoot the messenger" 🙂 .
I guess I don't how to answer because I followed a path where I pursue something filled with theoretical concepts but I sometimes struggle with some concepts because theory can run really deep.
It was interesting.
Thanks for sharing.
@@sicparvismagna1294 yes i made a first draft of this video going into different definitions of intelligence but it ended up being a half hour without any point. Yes it is quite confusing to me as well just how much theory or practical i like. Lol yes the physics is for you, but i think a few others too 😊 I'm thinking Dulles is quite analytical. Maybe being intuitive is more than just being interested in theoretical things. I think infps do like metaphors and abstraction quite a bit so i don't know what to think 😅
Oh ok
Yes I love metaphors and abstraction
Thanks for the reply
Basically, never underestimate the power of the 3rd function 😉😅
I'm told that I am an INFP and also that I am on the spectrum. I also supposedly have a rather average IQ. I just left my 25 year career in medicine and I feel so much better! I had to mask so, so much to function in medicine. I really had trouble for the first part of my career in keeping up with documenting my medical records. I had that type of perfectionism which really reduced my productivity but my patient outcomes were very good. Now I'm studying quantum physics because I do love the theoretical side of things. I ultimately would like to apply quantum physics to healing both with and without technology. As a physician in the US, I was under a lot of pressure to make money while also not utilizing insurance money. How is it to practice medicine in Sweden?
@@StudentofTruth-444 wow how cool! I rarely get the chance to have another doctor on my channel, especially one who has left the profession! I don't know anything about quantum physics and healing, that would be revolutionary when that becomes possible. The work conditions are much better in sweden but you get like half the salary. I don't need to worry about health insurance in socialized medicine, but i do need to write a lot more sick leaves for people. I work in the public sector for the region and we don't have much money, which reduces our possibilities, but at least we don't have to "produce" as much to earn a company money. I understand about the masking and the admin piling up, it really is bad for me too. I'm glad you are on your way to a more fulfilling career, wish you all the best! 😊
Hello,
Sorry for barging in but I found your comment really interesting.
I'm a loyal viewer of this channel and it's the first time I see such a comment.
I have a master's degree in physics and I'm curious to know what you meant by using quantum physics for healing. Also it's really interesting to know you used to be a doctor, I think it's an incredible combination. I think I'm an INFP too and I was always skeptical since I'm very interested in theoretical concepts.
Thanks for your comment.