The delete isn't the problem, it's the re-map/tune that's the problem, I would argue a proper delete increases the life of diesel engines,some of the soot build up in the oil is quite shocking on some of these modern engines,just as well put grinding paste in the oil,engineers have spent decades trying to get as much clean cool air into the combustion chamber,today they are shoving exhaust gasses back in
Genau so sehe ich das auch. Aber man kann ja versuchen, jeden Schaden auf die EGR Blockierung zu schieben. Wenn man sich die OEM Programmierung des EGR Ventils mal genauer ansehen würde, würde man nicht so mit Halbwissen um sich werfen!
Why do you think exhaust gas isn't clean? Soot is simply hydrocarbon. Exhaust gas helps cool cylinder temperatures. You can actually get higher cylinder pressures on a diesel using EGR. High cylinder pressure equals more power.
Adam saying this is like saying that everyone that eats peanut butter dies. Because the real truth is that we all die eventually and the peanut butter did not necessarily contribute to the death. If you paid a shade tree shop to delete your truck and they didn't know what they were doing you might end up like this truck and it could have possibly been the delete. But not all deletes will end up like this truck, especially if you only delete the DEF system and not the EGR which helps keep the motor running cooler.
It doesn't, just get it done the correct way and you will be fine. Friend of mine been pushing a Deleted 2013 truck for the pass 5 years and it hasn't given him a problem yet.
I think this is more related to bad tuning and removing the egr completely which isn't a good idea you need that extra coolant flow and sensors. The early model trucks had so many issues with def, newer ones are better and don't break down as much.
I think you hit the nail on the head. I did not realize until months later that my shop did not delete the EGR, they were told that it could not be done. But they charged me for the full delete and that kind of "ticked" me off. Now I am happy that it did not get deleted because I am 3 yrs into it and motor is running great. I have been pulling some loads at 42k besides my 32k empty weight with 100 plus degree days and motor stays around 200 degrees without the fan kicking on. We have a very tall bridge and once in a while the fan kicks in climbing it with heavy load.
As far as Cummins go ISX and X15 deletes are the way to go 🤷🏽♂️ every single one I've came a gross that's delete and also has had the egr completely removed never have problems maybe detroits are different but there is a reason all the 14ls and 12.7s pre emission engines never had issues
ISX engines handle deletes real well because of the aftermarket industry offering full tilt manifolds, aftermarket turbos, cam swap options etc. the DD platform doesn’t have a aftermarket industry. You can’t get aftermarket manifolds to cool the egt, you can’t get aftermarket turbos unless you delete the vpod and get a aftermarket manifold which isn’t available and the fact the DD platform builds heat so stupid fast you’ll need to swap cams and pistons to make it worth it.
12.7 liter engines will have blackened pistons over a longer time period than EGR engines. Recently a company called Speed Of Air has engineered new and improved pistons that may completely eliminate that problem, even with EGR and Regen engines.
So if what you're saying is true, then before after treatment systems years ago, all those engines were doomed because they didn't have after treatment scr,Def, etc , so all the engines cat,series 60 Volvo, Cummins that went 1 million miles could have probably went 2, 3 million if they would have had epa exhaust run back through the egr/engine etc did I hear that right , Adam you know the problem was a non professional tune you can't believe the engines of the government are better 🤔
In my opinion this is just like DOT saying you cannot operate a commercial motor vehicle safely without the antilock brake system functioning 100 percent correctly. If this is the case what happened before antilock brake systems, yes it might stop a few wrecks or jackknifes, but tell me you don't still see trucks jackknifed in the median still today. The antilock brake system has nothing to do with if your truck will stop or not, you push the brake pedal and if your brakes are adjusted properly you stop. All the antilock system does is stop you from skidding and in my opinion gives you a longer stopping distance. However back on topic. What did these motors do before all the pollution control crap was put on them? If you eliminate the DEF system but keep the EGR system your not really changing the performance of the motor. Adam did mention something about turning up the horsepower, did this truck get turned up with his delete? Could that have been the cause of the valve malfunction and not the actual delete?
people paid attention when they drove. we have trucks setting codes because of "excessive automatic braking" drivers must be tailgating and letting the truck operate the brakes. too lazy to move their foot from one pedal other
Only time to go to a dealer is under warranty or upgrading trucks. Dealers are over priced. Support the little companies. Save money and help a smaller out.
Engines have been running without egrs or DPF system since they were built. Also deleting the emmissions off of an engine will not damage a valve. and just deleting the system does not increase the amount of fuel that is injected, tuneing does that this is a tuning problem MAYBE, and has nothing to do with the delete. here is the funny thing iv seen valves do similar things in engines that never had emmisions on them in the first place. valve spring and sticking rockers can do this damage excesive heat from a leaking injecter can contribute. Just deleting the system stops soot from going into the intake soot in an apprasive which has already been proven and damage the cylinder and reduces effectiveness of oil. deleting the DPF will alow the exaust to breathe better in turn you get more HP. By letting breath better reduses EGT, EGTS are main failure of and engine if not controlled guess what to much back pressure will cause an incresse in EGT oops i said that out loud. Anther funny thing is i dont see any sign in the video of excessive heat, If my memory serves me right kenworth ran the ISX15 they added the emissions to it to meet FED REGS by doing this in cause the ISX to be unreliable after that. they had to use a differnt engine to handle the emission BS. Personally i think your paid to say this.
I as well argue that a delete and more power are not related. Power comes from a tune, delete or no delete. The engine runs clean air under WOT from factory, so your AFR will be as intended regardless of def or egr. I agree the delete was done poorly. However, on a proper delete with the engine running factory power, your only concern is proper coolant flow since the egr is compromised.
Tbey are against the deletes because the epa will fine them if they say otherwise whats theileage on this engine and eas the delete done properly? Thats what matters
Lmao, if you go to the cheapest shop it sure will mess your engine up later down the road! Good Experienced mechs will make sure your motor is gonna last!
Not clear enough about deletes, after treatment, as well as EGR, two completely seperate funtions, most EGR deletes, blocks aren't monitrred by pyrometers, cooking the top end.
DD platforms do not handle deletes at all. The exhaust gases are used in combination with the air fuel ratio. Playing with the injection timing and such is really a bad idea. I had a 2017 DD 15 that had a minor after treatment problem, but other than that the truck was running great, I chose to delete it, and everything went downhill from there, and could never get the programming, correct. stay away from deletes and just maintenance the after treatment system
DD platform is really no different from the Cummins platform. Drivers create a lot of issues to their trucks because they don't know their trucks inside and out. In talking to owner operators now not company Drivers. You must do your homework in getting to know your truck inside and out. That's the 1st step of owning your truck.
Deletes are nice but I like to entertain the idea of deleting the trucks ability to put me in limp mode… I’d rather be let known my issue and take it somewhere safe off the road way without 55mph or 5mph. Idc to leave everything on or even deleting the def/doc/scr process while keeping everything else on but the DPF … lol
He is 100% absolutely correct. The modification are not tuned correctly which causes the head to fail. More power that it is NOT designed for causes the valves to bend or possibly break under pressure.
So before all this admission junk came about, trucks were blowing out their valves constantly? I highly doubt that😂😂😂 They run better before these emissions regulations, and they run better deleted. It just needs to be deleted correctly, timing, fule and other programs need to be properly adjusted.
yes you do, except you have to pay all the core that have been scrap by the delete guy.and fix the problem that was the cause of the delete decision. most likely it cost average between 15000$ to 20000$ to bring all that back on if nothing else damage.
The only delete i can get behind is a onebox deleted. Egr actually servers a purpose of keeping cylinder tempatures low, which will help during heavy loads and grades.
I had a friend of mine I warned not to delete a couple of years ago..He paid a shop $2400 under the table in less than 2yrs It destroyed his engine just like Adam said it would do..🤯
All deletes are not bad. But most shops are working on dpf systems instead of engine issues 90 percent of the time. So it's a cash cow for shops. That's why most dealers and private shops don't work on deleted truck because most of their work is dpf issues. Bio diesel is another problem for these issues but know shop will tell you that because they make money off your break downs. DD15 engines is supposed to use ultra low suffer diesel not bio diesel. Bio diesel creat more soot causing more dpf problems by clogging up the filter system earlier than expected. That's why you do an overhead annually and do a cylinder compression test every 6 months to prevent issues like that and also see what's going on with your truck internally. I wouldn't recommend deleting or blocking off EGR ports because the engine need to Flo for performance reasons. So if you do that and change your oil and all your filters every 14 to 20 thousand miles you might be able to get 2 million miles out of your engine. I'm at 1.6 million miles on my 2011 cascadia with original internals except the bottom end has been done twice.
And remember doing Covid the epa allow shops to delete DPF systems on a lot of trucks because of low parts Inventory. So some dealer shops really can do good delete because they have the programming to do it. So I'm sure that kind of stuff gets sold to other shops. You just have to do your homework like any other project.
Don't know what you're missing! The crooked industry love guys who feel this way! AND my tow truck buddies, keep making money. I think I'm gonna buy me one!
Trucks in mexico dont have emissions, all you gotta do is get oem parts and template from a mexican truck
The delete isn't the problem, it's the re-map/tune that's the problem, I would argue a proper delete increases the life of diesel engines,some of the soot build up in the oil is quite shocking on some of these modern engines,just as well put grinding paste in the oil,engineers have spent decades trying to get as much clean cool air into the combustion chamber,today they are shoving exhaust gasses back in
your a 100% correct
Genau so sehe ich das auch. Aber man kann ja versuchen, jeden Schaden auf die EGR Blockierung zu schieben. Wenn man sich die OEM Programmierung des EGR Ventils mal genauer ansehen würde, würde man nicht so mit Halbwissen um sich werfen!
Why do you think exhaust gas isn't clean? Soot is simply hydrocarbon. Exhaust gas helps cool cylinder temperatures. You can actually get higher cylinder pressures on a diesel using EGR. High cylinder pressure equals more power.
I did not know deleting diesel engines has its disadvantages.....
Adam saying this is like saying that everyone that eats peanut butter dies. Because the real truth is that we all die eventually and the peanut butter did not necessarily contribute to the death. If you paid a shade tree shop to delete your truck and they didn't know what they were doing you might end up like this truck and it could have possibly been the delete. But not all deletes will end up like this truck, especially if you only delete the DEF system and not the EGR which helps keep the motor running cooler.
Of course it does 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It doesn't, just get it done the correct way and you will be fine. Friend of mine been pushing a Deleted 2013 truck for the pass 5 years and it hasn't given him a problem yet.
It dont done believe everything you hear and see in these videos
@@larryhutchinson4271so you’re saying don’t delete the egregious?
Why are we still using egr when we have dpf and scr?
I think this is more related to bad tuning and removing the egr completely which isn't a good idea you need that extra coolant flow and sensors. The early model trucks had so many issues with def, newer ones are better and don't break down as much.
I think you hit the nail on the head. I did not realize until months later that my shop did not delete the EGR, they were told that it could not be done. But they charged me for the full delete and that kind of "ticked" me off. Now I am happy that it did not get deleted because I am 3 yrs into it and motor is running great. I have been pulling some loads at 42k besides my 32k empty weight with 100 plus degree days and motor stays around 200 degrees without the fan kicking on. We have a very tall bridge and once in a while the fan kicks in climbing it with heavy load.
Where did you get it deleted?
It all has to do with abusing the truck in general
how does a cracked valve cause coolant pressure? shouldnt you have excessive crank case pressure?
The cylinder head was cracked as well, causing combustion gases to enter the cooling system.
This is due to a bad tune, if the tune was good, truck would be fine.
As far as Cummins go ISX and X15 deletes are the way to go 🤷🏽♂️ every single one I've came a gross that's delete and also has had the egr completely removed never have problems maybe detroits are different but there is a reason all the 14ls and 12.7s pre emission engines never had issues
ISX engines handle deletes real well because of the aftermarket industry offering full tilt manifolds, aftermarket turbos, cam swap options etc. the DD platform doesn’t have a aftermarket industry. You can’t get aftermarket manifolds to cool the egt, you can’t get aftermarket turbos unless you delete the vpod and get a aftermarket manifold which isn’t available and the fact the DD platform builds heat so stupid fast you’ll need to swap cams and pistons to make it worth it.
12.7 liter engines will have blackened pistons over a longer time period than EGR engines. Recently a company called Speed Of Air has engineered new and improved pistons that may completely eliminate that problem, even with EGR and Regen engines.
So if what you're saying is true, then before after treatment systems years ago, all those engines were doomed because they didn't have after treatment scr,Def, etc , so all the engines cat,series 60 Volvo, Cummins that went 1 million miles could have probably went 2, 3 million if they would have had epa exhaust run back through the egr/engine etc did I hear that right , Adam you know the problem was a non professional tune you can't believe the engines of the government are better 🤔
In my opinion this is just like DOT saying you cannot operate a commercial motor vehicle safely without the antilock brake system functioning 100 percent correctly. If this is the case what happened before antilock brake systems, yes it might stop a few wrecks or jackknifes, but tell me you don't still see trucks jackknifed in the median still today. The antilock brake system has nothing to do with if your truck will stop or not, you push the brake pedal and if your brakes are adjusted properly you stop. All the antilock system does is stop you from skidding and in my opinion gives you a longer stopping distance. However back on topic. What did these motors do before all the pollution control crap was put on them? If you eliminate the DEF system but keep the EGR system your not really changing the performance of the motor. Adam did mention something about turning up the horsepower, did this truck get turned up with his delete? Could that have been the cause of the valve malfunction and not the actual delete?
people paid attention when they drove. we have trucks setting codes because of "excessive automatic braking" drivers must be tailgating and letting the truck operate the brakes. too lazy to move their foot from one pedal other
If you’re not mechanically incline deleting is definitely not the way to go. Dealership will not touch a deleted truck.
Only time to go to a dealer is under warranty or upgrading trucks. Dealers are over priced. Support the little companies. Save money and help a smaller out.
Delete as soon as you can
Engines have been running without egrs or DPF system since they were built. Also deleting the emmissions off of an engine will not damage a valve. and just deleting the system does not increase the amount of fuel that is injected, tuneing does that this is a tuning problem MAYBE, and has nothing to do with the delete. here is the funny thing iv seen valves do similar things in engines that never had emmisions on them in the first place. valve spring and sticking rockers can do this damage excesive heat from a leaking injecter can contribute. Just deleting the system stops soot from going into the intake soot in an apprasive which has already been proven and damage the cylinder and reduces effectiveness of oil. deleting the DPF will alow the exaust to breathe better in turn you get more HP. By letting breath better reduses EGT, EGTS are main failure of and engine if not controlled guess what to much back pressure will cause an incresse in EGT oops i said that out loud. Anther funny thing is i dont see any sign in the video of excessive heat, If my memory serves me right kenworth ran the ISX15 they added the emissions to it to meet FED REGS by doing this in cause the ISX to be unreliable after that. they had to use a differnt engine to handle the emission BS. Personally i think your paid to say this.
I as well argue that a delete and more power are not related. Power comes from a tune, delete or no delete. The engine runs clean air under WOT from factory, so your AFR will be as intended regardless of def or egr. I agree the delete was done poorly. However, on a proper delete with the engine running factory power, your only concern is proper coolant flow since the egr is compromised.
Tbey are against the deletes because the epa will fine them if they say otherwise whats theileage on this engine and eas the delete done properly? Thats what matters
Lmao, if you go to the cheapest shop it sure will mess your engine up later down the road! Good Experienced mechs will make sure your motor is gonna last!
Not clear enough about deletes, after treatment, as well as EGR, two completely seperate funtions, most EGR deletes, blocks aren't monitrred by pyrometers, cooking the top end.
So what exactly was done to fix all this chaos?
update rate only. if more codes then oh yeah problems are on the way
DD platforms do not handle deletes at all. The exhaust gases are used in combination with the air fuel ratio. Playing with the injection timing and such is really a bad idea. I had a 2017 DD 15 that had a minor after treatment problem, but other than that the truck was running great, I chose to delete it, and everything went downhill from there, and could never get the programming, correct. stay away from deletes and just maintenance the after treatment system
DD platform is really no different from the Cummins platform. Drivers create a lot of issues to their trucks because they don't know their trucks inside and out. In talking to owner operators now not company Drivers. You must do your homework in getting to know your truck inside and out. That's the 1st step of owning your truck.
Deletes are nice but I like to entertain the idea of deleting the trucks ability to put me in limp mode… I’d rather be let known my issue and take it somewhere safe off the road way without 55mph or 5mph. Idc to leave everything on or even deleting the def/doc/scr process while keeping everything else on but the DPF … lol
Get the OTR diagnostic tool and it’ll do just that.
@@ICE-FYBno it won’t. If you get the def inducement light on it will clear it but it will imminently come back
@@serggla924 yes it will you potato. Reset the SCR..
He ain’t lying $13k for a reman head for my volvo i regret getting a 900k mike deleted truck smh 🤦🏾♂️
It's a Volvo, and probably had to program the header😂😂😂
He is 100% absolutely correct. The modification are not tuned correctly which causes the head to fail. More power that it is NOT designed for causes the valves to bend or possibly break under pressure.
Leave the Egr operentional and you won't have any issues delete the DPR and SCR and you will be fine
Trucks break, just so happen that this is deleted.
So before all this admission junk came about, trucks were blowing out their valves constantly? I highly doubt that😂😂😂
They run better before these emissions regulations, and they run better deleted. It just needs to be deleted correctly, timing, fule and other programs need to be properly adjusted.
Can you undo a delete?
yes you do, except you have to pay all the core that have been scrap by the delete guy.and fix the problem that was the cause of the delete decision. most likely it cost average between 15000$ to 20000$ to bring all that back on if nothing else damage.
The only delete i can get behind is a onebox deleted. Egr actually servers a purpose of keeping cylinder tempatures low, which will help during heavy loads and grades.
It is not the deleat it is ditroit..
Good one but delete not it. I deleted volvo d12 1 1/2 million and still going
Mr don't delete himself. Epa is always right 😆 🤣
It's Dr. Don't Delete. 🧐💪🏼🔧
@@TATEXPRESSINCnoo is Professor 😅
I had a friend of mine I warned not to delete a couple of years ago..He paid a shop $2400 under the table in less than 2yrs It destroyed his engine just like Adam said it would do..🤯
I bought a 780 d13 egr and dpf delete if i could go back 17 months later i would say not worth it
@@moneymikeslickwill8749same.. worse thing I ever did was delete my truck BUT it also taught me ALOT.
I think it's just a common problem with those engines probably has nothing to do with the delete just a bad engine
All deletes are not bad. But most shops are working on dpf systems instead of engine issues 90 percent of the time. So it's a cash cow for shops. That's why most dealers and private shops don't work on deleted truck because most of their work is dpf issues. Bio diesel is another problem for these issues but know shop will tell you that because they make money off your break downs. DD15 engines is supposed to use ultra low suffer diesel not bio diesel. Bio diesel creat more soot causing more dpf problems by clogging up the filter system earlier than expected. That's why you do an overhead annually and do a cylinder compression test every 6 months to prevent issues like that and also see what's going on with your truck internally. I wouldn't recommend deleting or blocking off EGR ports because the engine need to Flo for performance reasons. So if you do that and change your oil and all your filters every 14 to 20 thousand miles you might be able to get 2 million miles out of your engine. I'm at 1.6 million miles on my 2011 cascadia with original internals except the bottom end has been done twice.
And yes it's been deleted over 3 years ago and counting with no problems since the delete.
And remember doing Covid the epa allow shops to delete DPF systems on a lot of trucks because of low parts
Inventory. So some dealer shops really can do good delete because they have the programming to do it. So I'm sure that kind of stuff gets sold to other shops. You just have to do your homework like any other project.
Which part you remove which parts left on the truck. I'm thinking about deleting my truck
Never buying a deleted truck
Don't know what you're missing! The crooked industry love guys who feel this way! AND my tow truck buddies, keep making money. I think I'm gonna buy me one!
@@markedmonds6604 I have one you could buy it from me
If you can't work on your truck you shouldn't buy a deleted truck.
Detoit's 300 400 maby 500 thousands and (Bummmm) ..
Cummins or volvo's now a days.!
Still cheaper to delete 🤣
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Dude!!!! those damages was done before the delet😂😂
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