...and also has a record of winning a Cup as coach, for the first time for a team, bringing them out of the cellar in the middle of the year, and being an NHL star player. Hopefully, that will play into the "strong personal authority over the team and management".
The problem with Marner has nothing to do with Marner. It has everything to do with salary cap allocation and rounding out a team for a Stanley Cup run. If you pay Marner the $12.5 he'll want, you have a massive hole in your depth scoring and defence. You're essentially playing against teams at a deficit once your top line is off the ice. And you can't win a cup with one line.
I agree. I think it's time to ask Marner which of the two he wants: Cup or higher salary? I do believe that ultimately, Marner would go with a more modest salary for that reason; I really think the guy's toxicity on the ice is only due to his frustrations at not being able to perform as well as he's billed for. I like boring, solid, consistent, defense-first minded Leafs over high-flying offensive, pirouetting goals-record-setting Leafs, as long as they keep winning (I'm really hoping that Montreal game was a one-off). Marner has to have a strong role in there somehow, although we know that's not his forte.
The comparison to the Caps and Ovechkin doesn’t work; they got to game 7 of the second round multiple times. Leafs have made it to the second round once.
He's gotta adapt, and I think that's the path they'll go down. Keefe couldn't do it; maybe Berube can. I get the idea Marner wants to win more badly than anyone else; he's going to have to show it by taking hits in front of the net and winning battles there to score goals.
I disagree with Bourne. I dont think we can win with Matthews, Marner, and Nylander. No evidence to suggest any of them are high-quality and physical players that can win in the playoffs. The Leafs best playoff players every year are always the new additions they find at the Trade Deadline.
Matthews was fourth on the team for hits in the post season last year (27,) behind Lyubushkin (30,) Tavares (35,) and Benoit (38.) And that’s with not even playing the full 7 games. Wait to see what they do under Berube.
Your saying this about the Leaf's core , you can't win with them ?? How long have McDavid and Leon been together ???????? This Leaf core will win before Edmonton !!!!!
I am really glad they've gone to boring and winning. No, it will not sell in this town...winning will. But happy they're finally making that switch; now we need to see it reflected in the salaries.
The disallowed Perry goal was pretty much the same as the disallowed Rempe goal from the Rangers/Utah game on Saturday. It was pretty much the exact same situation. As long as they are consistent with it, then I think it's fine. What I hate is when they are not consistent with the call. I think Perry's was a little worse as he was hacking at Vladar's feet in the crease before the shot. It may not have had an affect on the goal, but it is that dirty kind of stuff that doesn't get Perry the benefit of doubt. He was in the crease for the purpose of trying to interfere. Backlund later and gave a light tap to Skinner's foot to send a message that the Flames can play that game too (to which Skinner deserves an Oscar for trying to sell it as more than just a tap).
Phil Kessel was the leading scorere for the Maple Leafs for 5 years and they ran him out of town too. Maple Leaf fans have no clue what makes a great player
So what? They were never winning with him anyways. I think leaf fans care about winning, not stars on the team. If you aren’t going to win with a player, why keep him?
@@thomascain7587 They weren't winning with Kessel either way. He's not a #1 option on a championship team. If he's your best player, you're doing something wrong.
supporting role is getting better and goaltending and coaching is far superior so it may work this year. Plus Leafs have that 9 playoff cursed to win thingy this year. In 1967 they won it was their 9th playoffs in a row. They are now on their 8th playoff in a row. This year will be 9th! so hockey gods will give the leafs the CURSE TO WIN it this year!
They haven't won because the goaltending just wasn't championship caliber, nor was the blueline either. They didn't have enough snarl in the lineup, not even near enough, no pushback at all. The guy that is now leading them absolutely has to do what Ovechkin did, and that is to no longer ignore other players who do him dirty. I'd even suggest that when they play the Predators next that he lays into Stamkos and shows him who's boss. Everybody in the league saw that and know that they can get away with that crap with him. It's time he demanded respect and not just because of the size of his paycheque.
Kyper is partly right on that , with this core that they have won nothing so far. But they could, with a better defense and better goalie. Now they have those both. He is totally wrong, that Colorado would not sign Mikko Rantanen , the Moose' from 🇫🇮. They will 100% sure sign Mikko. With 8 yrs contract with half a million less yearly than McKinnon. Yearly income over 11 million. He is a franchise player for Colorado, part of their core identity. Period.
Luke Fox is not the first to say it, but I cannot understand it. The Berube style is being referred to as boring. I think it's more exciting, less goals in some cases but way more hits and less goals against.
Mitch can stay. He's got the fire in his belly still...but he'll have to massively adjust his role on the ice to something that wins playoff games. I'd like to see Tavares help out the 3rd or 4th line, and put Robinson a bit higher.
@@szahmad2416 which will never happen.... A leopard doesn't change his spots. He always skate in circles and shoots it at a players shins. He shys from contact, which is ridiculous since he plays hockey. You signed Matthews and willy, you're stuck with them. Marner is your only movable piece. You resign him, well, rinse and repeat.
Kypreos has finally seen the light. He was the biggest Marner supporter. Now he is ready to see the Leafs without Marner. Great to see. Marner does nothing to move the needle. He is a twirl and whirl hockey player. Full of turnovers. Matthews has zero goals and zero assists. Marner is not needed.
WOW!! Leafs buying into new Head Coach Bareboobie's system after 3 whole games to start the season VS two mediocre non-playoff teams anad an underperforming Devils squad at home > just award Leafs the 2025 Cup right now!! This is truly amazing and totally unexpected, especially with a proven, respected veteran new Coach behind the Leafs bench!! BRILLIANT ANALYSIS FOLKS!!!
Corey Perry came in from behind the goalie and jammed his stick into both skates trying to throw him off balance. Then yes he moved cleanly in front of him for the tip in. So clear interference before moving out in front.
They make the effort to paint the crease; use it. Stay out of the paint or it’s goalie interference unless the goalie is also out of the crease. The end.
Everything Justin is saying about Marner is so absurd. How can you laugh at parts of Kyp’s stance on the situation when the Leafs have won ONE SINGLE series??? Why is it so obvious he must stay? They don’t WIN
Leafs need a power forward. I miss the life stream boys. I hope Toronto could get a second team. Something like sens prices so Leafs fans can invade another stadium.
JB and Sammy are wayyy too homer that it's clouding their judgement, I'm with Nick on this. Why would you think Marner Matthews and Nylander can win ? They've been trying for the last 7-8 yrs now and gotten out of the first round once lol. Nick is right, you gotta tweak it by changing the core.
Marner is staying and will only take 3 million more than he makes now. Easy to get that room in the cap by Tavares taking 6-8 less and trading Lilly - another 3!!!
8 years and counting I don’t think it works JB and it’s not the fact they’re not skilled it’s that you can’t have all that money wrapped up in 4 players and build a team capable of winning and you can’t surrond your superstars with true depth to rely on
30:51 wtf is kyp talking about?? He’s not even a leaf fan right now 😂😂 he’s a Mitch fan walking him to free agency to max out his money, he doesn’t care about leafs success
You can't resign Marner, they signed Willy and he's their over-payed winger going forward, you just can't have 2 wingers making that much. His $12M can be used on another top end D and a 2C.
Sam Bennett is probably the perfect 2C on this team. Adds the bite you're looking for and you can probably get him for $7-$8 million and sign another D.
I dont believe Marner is outshining Matthews. Marner goal was an error by the pens netminder man....guy was way off on his angle. Gave him his cookie. Still a goal is a goal . ...that said I no longer like Marner. Guy is not an elete player man. A good hockey player though but not top talent. Playoffs are a key indicator of a players true talent man.
NO I dont want to see Reilly as the GUY. He fails year over year at that very thing. OEL is the guy. Reilly can't shoot and is awkward with the puck. Also how can Mcmaan be inconsistent in only having played to foooooking games. Reaves should NEVER be in over Mcmaan. GROSS MISCONDUCT
Nylander is the player that can not play for Berube . Nylander was on the ice for that goal standing at center ice with his thumb in his mouth if you tubers would shut up there wou look d not be any whinning
Trade Marner for Crosby. While scoring one of the recent goals against the Flames the scoring player contacted the goalies helmet before the puck went in the net, that one should have been a negated goal so the calls go both ways.
Calgary HAS to play as a team because they don't have any ɓÏģ superstars I know that this "team" thing might be hard to grasp these days, for some people. 😬 🔥🏒🔥
Glad to have RK&B back!!!!!! One of the best parts of my day listening to you guys.
GLG!!!!!!
Berube is an experienced coach , with clear views, play system and strong personal authority over The team and also management.
...and also has a record of winning a Cup as coach, for the first time for a team, bringing them out of the cellar in the middle of the year, and being an NHL star player. Hopefully, that will play into the "strong personal authority over the team and management".
The problem with Marner has nothing to do with Marner. It has everything to do with salary cap allocation and rounding out a team for a Stanley Cup run. If you pay Marner the $12.5 he'll want, you have a massive hole in your depth scoring and defence. You're essentially playing against teams at a deficit once your top line is off the ice. And you can't win a cup with one line.
I agree. I think it's time to ask Marner which of the two he wants: Cup or higher salary? I do believe that ultimately, Marner would go with a more modest salary for that reason; I really think the guy's toxicity on the ice is only due to his frustrations at not being able to perform as well as he's billed for.
I like boring, solid, consistent, defense-first minded Leafs over high-flying offensive, pirouetting goals-record-setting Leafs, as long as they keep winning (I'm really hoping that Montreal game was a one-off). Marner has to have a strong role in there somehow, although we know that's not his forte.
So what your saying is dump marnier a top 10 player for taveres a player on the back 9 of his career
@@stevealles7028 You must have read what I wrote upside down and backwards and translated it back and forth from Swahili to conclude that.
The comparison to the Caps and Ovechkin doesn’t work; they got to game 7 of the second round multiple times. Leafs have made it to the second round once.
and went out with a whimper
Trade Marner. Can’t win with him after Game 82. Kyp is right. Have to use the cap space properly though.
He's gotta adapt, and I think that's the path they'll go down. Keefe couldn't do it; maybe Berube can. I get the idea Marner wants to win more badly than anyone else; he's going to have to show it by taking hits in front of the net and winning battles there to score goals.
Sportsnet got the boys working on thanksgiving damnnnnn
Rogers needs to pay for 5G & MLSE😂
Marner was beloved here until that contract negotiation. I would blame Dubas and his agent but that's what happened.
Love this podcast
I disagree with Bourne. I dont think we can win with Matthews, Marner, and Nylander. No evidence to suggest any of them are high-quality and physical players that can win in the playoffs. The Leafs best playoff players every year are always the new additions they find at the Trade Deadline.
Matthews was fourth on the team for hits in the post season last year (27,) behind Lyubushkin (30,) Tavares (35,) and Benoit (38.) And that’s with not even playing the full 7 games. Wait to see what they do under Berube.
Kyper can’t talk about the game at hand for more than 5 minutes before bringing up the Marner contract.
He didn’t bring it up. Sammy did.
I'm a Leafs fan living in NW Ohio! Listen almost every day!
GO FLAMES GO, THE CHICKENS ARE COMING HOME TO ROOST
Your saying this about the Leaf's core , you can't win with them ?? How long have McDavid and Leon been together ???????? This Leaf core will win before Edmonton !!!!!
Edmonton made it to the Stanley Cup last year…
@@NerdsIsPown Yes but did they win it ??? Really all for none !!! Won't get there again...If Leaf's get to Finals they win !!!
@@Whiskey0461man i like how you think but lets slow down a bit here
@@Whiskey0461 I want whatever it is you're smoking. Must be almost free in Toronto since 1967.
@@szahmad2416 Ship you some, comes with a warning label, only smoke if your delusional :)
Boring is exciting for a hockey-sophisticated fanbase as Toronto. Consistency and solid play with some grit will always sell in this town.
You know what’s not boring? Winning! 😂
I am really glad they've gone to boring and winning. No, it will not sell in this town...winning will. But happy they're finally making that switch; now we need to see it reflected in the salaries.
The disallowed Perry goal was pretty much the same as the disallowed Rempe goal from the Rangers/Utah game on Saturday. It was pretty much the exact same situation. As long as they are consistent with it, then I think it's fine. What I hate is when they are not consistent with the call. I think Perry's was a little worse as he was hacking at Vladar's feet in the crease before the shot. It may not have had an affect on the goal, but it is that dirty kind of stuff that doesn't get Perry the benefit of doubt. He was in the crease for the purpose of trying to interfere. Backlund later and gave a light tap to Skinner's foot to send a message that the Flames can play that game too (to which Skinner deserves an Oscar for trying to sell it as more than just a tap).
Jt was the player that wasn’t suppose to be signed.
Happy thanksgiving and Columbus Day!
Happy thanksgiving guys🎉🎉
Phil Kessel was the leading scorere for the Maple Leafs for 5 years and they ran him out of town too. Maple Leaf fans have no clue what makes a great player
So what? They were never winning with him anyways. I think leaf fans care about winning, not stars on the team. If you aren’t going to win with a player, why keep him?
Leafs were tanking. He wasn't run out of town so much as they weren't trying to be good anymore.
@@thomascain7587 They weren't winning with Kessel either way. He's not a #1 option on a championship team. If he's your best player, you're doing something wrong.
Great show boys!
supporting role is getting better and goaltending and coaching is far superior so it may work this year. Plus Leafs have that 9 playoff cursed to win thingy this year. In 1967 they won it was their 9th playoffs in a row.
They are now on their 8th playoff in a row. This year will be 9th! so hockey gods will give the leafs the CURSE TO WIN it this year!
They haven't won because the goaltending just wasn't championship caliber, nor was the blueline either. They didn't have enough snarl in the lineup, not even near enough, no pushback at all. The guy that is now leading them absolutely has to do what Ovechkin did, and that is to no longer ignore other players who do him dirty. I'd even suggest that when they play the Predators next that he lays into Stamkos and shows him who's boss. Everybody in the league saw that and know that they can get away with that crap with him. It's time he demanded respect and not just because of the size of his paycheque.
Legends working on Thanksgiving. Keep up the good work gentlemen
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Kyper is partly right on that , with this core that they have won nothing so far. But they could, with a better defense and better goalie. Now they have those both.
He is totally wrong, that Colorado would not sign Mikko Rantanen , the Moose' from 🇫🇮.
They will 100% sure sign Mikko. With 8 yrs contract with half a million less yearly than McKinnon. Yearly income over 11 million.
He is a franchise player for Colorado, part of their core identity. Period.
We all thought that about Stamkos with the Lightning.
Toronto can sign Sam Bennett and probably sign a good defenseman for the amount that Marner wants. I think you need to move on from Marner
Keep up the good work nick
Marner should be the captain. He knows how to get the fans riled up.
Luke Fox is not the first to say it, but I cannot understand it. The Berube style is being referred to as boring. I think it's more exciting, less goals in some cases but way more hits and less goals against.
Right on guys 🎉 Go Sens Go !!!🎉🎉🎉
Goaltending is Stuart Skinner and only Stuart Skinner praying ❤🔥🇨🇦😁
They are going to sign Mitch and Tavares will take a pay cut or he'll sign somewhere else. But I think Mitch is staying.
God I hope not
Mitch can stay. He's got the fire in his belly still...but he'll have to massively adjust his role on the ice to something that wins playoff games.
I'd like to see Tavares help out the 3rd or 4th line, and put Robinson a bit higher.
@@szahmad2416 which will never happen.... A leopard doesn't change his spots. He always skate in circles and shoots it at a players shins. He shys from contact, which is ridiculous since he plays hockey.
You signed Matthews and willy, you're stuck with them. Marner is your only movable piece. You resign him, well, rinse and repeat.
Sign Knies to 8x9, let Marner walk. Use the extra little space to sign a legit 2C. JT can stay as 3C if he takes a very team friendly deal.
Kypreos has finally seen the light. He was the biggest Marner supporter. Now he is ready to see the Leafs without Marner. Great to see. Marner does nothing to move the needle. He is a twirl and whirl hockey player. Full of turnovers. Matthews has zero goals and zero assists. Marner is not needed.
Signing a 34 year old injury prone Tanev to a 6 year contract is a questionable acquisition. ✔️
Off course u sign him world class player just show mitch some love
WOW!! Leafs buying into new Head Coach Bareboobie's system after 3 whole games to start the season VS two mediocre non-playoff teams anad an underperforming Devils squad at home > just award Leafs the 2025 Cup right now!! This is truly amazing and totally unexpected, especially with a proven, respected veteran new Coach behind the Leafs bench!! BRILLIANT ANALYSIS FOLKS!!!
I had a peanut butter sandwich for Thanksgiving.
correction about washington: you couldn't win with SEMIN
I wonder if Perry shoving his stick into both of the goalies skates prior to the shot played into the call as well?
Corey Perry came in from behind the goalie and jammed his stick into both skates trying to throw him off balance. Then yes he moved cleanly in front of him for the tip in. So clear interference before moving out in front.
Kyper is right old school F you is back
The Leafs are boring? The real flipper is bourning 😅
Ok good call out 🔥😆🇨🇦
Flyers have wine 10 season opening games in a row now. Most in the league which is more impressive considering they were trash for some of that.
They make the effort to paint the crease; use it. Stay out of the paint or it’s goalie interference unless the goalie is also out of the crease. The end.
Everything Justin is saying about Marner is so absurd. How can you laugh at parts of Kyp’s stance on the situation when the Leafs have won ONE SINGLE series??? Why is it so obvious he must stay? They don’t WIN
Leafs need a power forward. I miss the life stream boys. I hope Toronto could get a second team. Something like sens prices so Leafs fans can invade another stadium.
South of the border here bud
JB and Sammy are wayyy too homer that it's clouding their judgement, I'm with Nick on this. Why would you think Marner Matthews and Nylander can win ? They've been trying for the last 7-8 yrs now and gotten out of the first round once lol. Nick is right, you gotta tweak it by changing the core.
But 😂we no how this ends 🔥🇨🇦🇺🇸😁✔
Break up the pp unit. Make 2 solid units and stick with it.
UA-cam ads are out of control. Just awful.
marner is a ghost
Marner is staying and will only take 3 million more than he makes now. Easy to get that room in the cap by Tavares taking 6-8 less and trading Lilly - another 3!!!
8 years and counting I don’t think it works JB and it’s not the fact they’re not skilled it’s that you can’t have all that money wrapped up in 4 players and build a team capable of winning and you can’t surrond your superstars with true depth to rely on
Sens v Kings was one of the best games I've watched in ages, glad Ottawa beat them!
Get rid of these contracts... Tavares, Reilly, Lilly, Jarnkrok and thats 23 F'n Million. Boom!
😂😂😂😂😂great turkey expirience?
Good 👍 Job Gentlemen
30:51 wtf is kyp talking about?? He’s not even a leaf fan right now 😂😂 he’s a Mitch fan walking him to free agency to max out his money, he doesn’t care about leafs success
You can't resign Marner, they signed Willy and he's their over-payed winger going forward, you just can't have 2 wingers making that much. His $12M can be used on another top end D and a 2C.
Sam Bennett is probably the perfect 2C on this team. Adds the bite you're looking for and you can probably get him for $7-$8 million and sign another D.
Total digression 🇨🇦😁
LA kings 😁🇨🇦🇺🇸
SAMMY IS RIGHT THE RULE IS STUPID!!!! GOALIE SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO RUN INTO A PLAYER TO CREATE A CALL!!!
Thought they were more boring under Keefe...lots of possession, slowing it down, perimeter hockey.
Waiting✔🇨🇦😁
krebs was the one throwing his gloves, dahlin threw padded punches. who cares.
leafs havent had the goaltending to win in the playoffs samsonov wasnt even a no1 starter stolarz looks like a no1
common kyper.. if dahlin didnt do anything, you would complain about that...
Perry whacked goalie skates pre goal dirty play
Leafs have a great problem 🇨🇦😁
I dont believe Marner is outshining Matthews. Marner goal was an error by the pens netminder man....guy was way off on his angle. Gave him his cookie. Still a goal is a goal . ...that said I no longer like Marner. Guy is not an elete player man. A good hockey player though but not top talent. Playoffs are a key indicator of a players true talent man.
So many great franchises 😁🇨🇦🇺🇸✔
I miss the OLD LEAFS where it was ACTION PACKTION! and more wild 6-5 finals! crazy comebacks and going down 3-1 etc
Thank God that ridiculous time is over.
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Sam da man😂
So miss Max Holloway 😁🇨🇦🔥
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NO I dont want to see Reilly as the GUY. He fails year over year at that very thing. OEL is the guy. Reilly can't shoot and is awkward with the puck. Also how can Mcmaan be inconsistent in only having played to foooooking games. Reaves should NEVER be in over Mcmaan. GROSS MISCONDUCT
We have a void to fill 🇨🇦😁
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Nylander is the player that can not play for Berube . Nylander was on the ice for that goal standing at center ice with his thumb in his mouth if you tubers would shut up there wou look d not be any whinning
We suck 🔥✔😁🇨🇦
Trade Marner for Crosby.
While scoring one of the recent goals against the Flames the scoring player contacted the goalies helmet before the puck went in the net, that one should have been a negated goal so the calls go both ways.
So cringy.
Matthews can play physical when paired with Domi believe it or not. We've all seen it last year. Matthews and Marner = no physicality. Scared hockey.
Calgary HAS to play as a team because they don't have any ɓÏģ superstars
I know that this "team" thing might be hard to grasp these days, for some people. 😬
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