Tremec TKX vs TKO, Test Fit and Test Drive in my 1969 Pontiac GTO
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
- I couldn't resist! I had to get the slimmer NEW Tremec TKX! Let's see if it lives up to the hype, does it really fit better? Then we get to go on a test drive, in my 1969 Pontiac GTO.
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This channel is all about how to's and what to watch out for, when working on your own car. Mike is at the tail end of rebuilding his Pontiac 400, which is now a Butler Performance 467, because a Roller Lifter Broke! (see link below). Also fresh off of installing a New TREMEC TKO 600 from Silver Sport Transmissions, and most recently upgrading to the new TREMEC TKX. Subscribe to watch more projects on this built, not bought, 1969 Pontiac GTO.
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This particular Tremec TKX was sourced from Silver Sport Transmissions who provide "PerfectFit" kits for ALL makes and models of classic muscle cars, and trucks too! Link below.
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My Cousin Vinny reference, caught it immediately
Ha! Yup! What's a Yooot? Love that movie. Thanks for the comment!
I put a Tremec Magnum in my 67 Camaro...Best modification ever !
Took 20yrs to afford and was quite a task but sooo worth it !
Ha! I feel your pain, and totally agree! Thanks for the comment!
Great video! I've been contemplating the new tkx from silver sport for my 70 charger on my channel and when they posted about your video on their Instagram I had to come check it out! Great info btw!
Thanks Jesse! I highly recommend it... I know you're gonna love it. Keep at it! Thanks for the comment.
Great education and I learned so much. Tremec did their homework and it paid off big time. Now I really want to buy a TKX !!!!! I am so impressed!!!! Thanks for sharing.
Glad I could help... you're gonna love it! Thanks for the comment.
I just ordered my complete tkx 600 for an automatic to manual swap in my 1972 Monte Carlo. Pretty excited 🙌🏼. Great video by the way 👍🏼
Thanks Frank! I'm excited for you too! You're gonna love it. I highly recommend going with a hydraulic clutch, so you don't have to worry about installing the Z bar in a car that was born without one. Here's the playlist that includes my hydraulic clutch install AND my original TKO, which has the identical installation procedure as the TKX. Have fun! ua-cam.com/play/PL0VCtZe2W6eYBcBQl-c1VWcnjCvPVLakF.html
Thanks man I've been waiting for a TKX video! Subbed
Thanks! Welcome to the family! Let me know if you have any questions...
Awesome video. Thanks for throwing it all together without the twin disc. Cool to hear about the comparison
Thanks Dan! Yeah, the twin disc woulda made this video 4 hours longer. Ha, ha... thanks for the comment!
Wow! You have a much bigger budget than most people, for upgrades to your toy car. That said I have a 65 GTO I'm in the process of restoring and you've convinced me to get a tkx.
Ha! Yeah, I can't help it. I love to spend money. :) You're gonna love that TKX! Check out my TKO install playlist to give you an idea of what to expect. The installation of the TKX is identical. Let me know if you have any questions. Have fun!
Man! Your videos are getting more and more views! Nice!
Ha! Thanks Brother! Trying to share what people want to know... I was super curious as to the fit of the TKX, cuz I need it higher in my tunnel, for pinion angle, and exhaust clearance. (That's a whole other topic, later to be filmed.) Thanks again for watching!
Great video man! I was curious about this transmission and fitment.
Thanks Johnny! Yeah, it fits way nicer than the TKO. Let me know when you're ready to pull that trigger. Ha, ha... Thanks for watching!
Good thing I did some more research before I bought a TR6060 instead! Ill be buying this ASAP, thanks for the video +1 subscriber
Cool! Glad I could help the decision making process... and, welcome to the FMG family. Looking forward to more comments from ya... see ya!
Great video, all the way from Australia 🇦🇺 👍🏻
Thanks Big Al! Enjoy that summer down there... ha, ha...
I was #25 for the TKX from SST. Too bad my car is still in body shop jail. Hoping to have it on the road this summer. I followed your TKO install, I felt so bad after the TKX was announced. You could have saved so much time.
Ha! Yeah, the TKO install was painful, but also fun to learn... thanks for watching, congrats on your TKX, and I hope you get released from "Body Work" prison soon. You're gonna love it!
Thanks for a great video, this convinced me putting a tkx in 57 chevy.
Thanks Mattias, you're gonna love it! If you're doing it yourself, be sure to check out my TKO install playlist. Installation is identical. Here it is for reference, ua-cam.com/video/-7dDCvy-GEE/v-deo.html Have fun!
I’ve been waiting for a TKX for my 70 Mach1 since November. Apparently they aren’t shipping until April 4th... grrr! Sound like it will be worth the wait though! Thx for the video!
C G, yeah, totally worth the wait! Hopefully you'll get it sooner... thanks for watching! Be sure to check out my TKO install for pointers... good luck!
I just got my TKX for my 69 Camaro RS/SS. Thanks for your videos on install should help me with install. Wish me luck.
Congrats! You're gonna love it! If you have any questions, just ask... no luck needed. You'll be fine. Ha, ha... thanks for watching!
How did it go?
Thanks, you answered a lot of questions as I plan on doing my 69 Convertible Cutlass with a 455. I do have a very highway friendly axle ratio of 2:73
Great to hear! Glad I could help... yeah, that's a super freeway friendly rear end. You could easily use the Wide ratio version. Good luck, and don't be afraid to ask questions...
Thanks for the vid! Researching options for a 68 goat right now.
Awesome... the TKX is awesome. Thanks for watching, and good luck with your parts selection. Feel free to ask questions, on anything GTO related. See Ya!
COOL - I just picked up the last of the TKO600 from SST
Nice! You're gonna love it. The hardest part is measuring the bell housing run out. Check out my playlist to see what NOT to do... ha, ha... ua-cam.com/play/PL0VCtZe2W6ea6J2AM14HhRp_1HaZ8aewY.html
Cool, nice job! Ya, I more recently got a TKX for my 72 Monty Carlo, don't know yet if I'm going to put a high perf sb or a mid perf bb. Will find out in time. Oh, mine is a wide ratio, and took about 6 mo from summit on back order. But i'm still gathering parts for the resto.
Nice! Worth the wait... you're gonna love it! Thanks for the comment!
I have a TKO600 (pro series by Liberty gear)behind a stroker 421” in my 72 chevelle.Love that trans!Want to do a Nova and put in a LS3/TKX…someday!!!
Ohhh yeah, sweet combo's right there... you're gonna love that TKX, when you get one. Thanks for the comment!
If I manage to get myself a classic (67 to 72) Olds Cutlass, 442 maybe w/W30 package that has a 4 speed. Likely will come with a 3.90 rear gear I will surely end up with a Tremec 5 speed. Your video is very helpful! Thanks. Randy
Agreed! Cruising at 65 on the freeway at 3500 rpm is no fun. You're gonna love the TKX Thanks Randall!
@@FastMonty If I get one wiith a 455 I wonder how much O/D ratio would be best for highway cruising? Surely a torque monster like a 455 wouldn't need to run much over 2k rpms at 70 mph if tuned properly?
@@randallfawc7501 The answer is .68 Cuz, that's what I have. :) 75mph, 2200 rpm, 3:55 rear end.
Great work. First video I’ve seen of anyone install one of these. I have a 68 GTO and wondering how it would fit in automatic trans tunnel.
Thanks Tim! Automatics sometimes have smaller tunnels than Manuals. (Mine is a manual car) Check out my TKO install playlist for tips, and will at least get you mentally prepared. :) ua-cam.com/play/PL0VCtZe2W6ea6J2AM14HhRp_1HaZ8aewY.html And, ask questions, if you have any... thanks for the comment!
Great video, thanks. I've seen many articles about the TKO being notchy and often complaints about 2nd to 3rd shifts. I think you mentioned the TKX was notchy, which you liked. I realize notchy can mean different things to different people and many will say it's a negative i.e. "gears seems not to mesh momentarily, and then engage". I currently have a T10 4 speed in a SBF and all I can say is that is shifts smooth and easily at all rpms. I'm planning on moving to a 351w stroker and would consider the TKX if I hear a general consensus that it also shifts smooth and easily at all rpms. Can you comment more on the 'notchy" aspect you mentioned and even your 2nd to 3rd gear shift experience. Thanks again. Jim
Great question Jim! I agree "notchy" is not only subjective, but definitely left up to interpretation. While I don't have a ton of seat time on the TKX, cuz I'm putting in Fuel Injection now, I can say the shifter felt much improved over the TKO. Let me think of some other terminology... Smoother, Less Effort, Engaging, Better Syncing, (which I noticed just going into reverse). I swear it was a shorter throw too... Once I get rolling again, I'll have to do some of my favorite shifts... that's 1st to 3rd, on hard launches. But, won't try that until I have surpassed the 500 mile break in period. I hope that helps? Thanks again for your awesome observation, hope to see more comments from you in the future.
Great video. I was hoping you were going to hammer through the gears like you owned it.
Thanks... I'm going to do that when I get that new twin disc clutch installed. (Unfortunately, I have an oil pressure issue, and the engine is out) Next week's video is the tear down, and root cause analysis. Thanks again for the comment.
Great video thank's
Thanks Robert!
Like everyone else said great video. I have a 1966 Chevelle with a Muncie 4 speed and 3.73 gears. I would like to get the highway RPM down. This looks like the ticket. Would I have to cut my tunnel much with this new trans? I assume that I can't use my bell housing, etc with this transmission also. I subscribed.
Thanks
Thanks EZE... Will you have to modify your tunnel? Probably not. There's still a little risk with a couple corners, but as you can tell it's a lot smaller, but no one can guarantee ZERO mods needed. And, YES, you can use your current bell housing. Just make sure you align it. Check out my TKO install playlist to see how and why. That said, you'll love the overdrive! Thanks for the sub, and thanks for the comment! See you soon!
I put a Tremec TKO in a 1965 Mustang. I also had clerlance issues. I did not use a hydralic throw out bearing. I actually used 1/8" plexiglass sheet, and drilled out the two clutch release lever bracket holes which the clutch piviot arm is attached. I also perfecly drilled the four mounting holes from a 4spd/3spd 1965 bell housing. Than I bolted the plexiglass to a Tremec bell housing with the four bolts and than drilled the new holes for the clutch release lever bracket. I measured the diffrenced on all the transmition input shaft, front plate that the original throw out bearing rides. I added a spacer between the bell housing anf the clutch release lever bracked ( 5/8th inch aluminium solid block). Doing this, was able to use all my oriinal clutch linkage, Z-bar, and peddle. Yes, it is not smooth like a hydralic bearing. But I wanted it to look original, which it does. I also had a custom aluminium drivehaft made. This transition is great compared to the 1965 4spd.
Awesome work around, PD! I totally agree, my TKO was way better than my stock Muncie 4 speed. The TKX is just the latest version, with some improvements. Thanks for the comment!
Great video
Thanks Brother! How's your beast doing?
Loved the video and subscribed. I'm getting ready to do a TKX install in my 66 Chevelle. So did you leave the TKX or are you going back to the TKO?
Welcome to the channel! Yeah, I'm staying with the TKX. I sold the TKO. Be sure to check out my TKO install playlist, that'll give you an idea of what you're in for. :) Thanks for the comment, and don't be shy with questions... see ya!
@@FastMonty Thanks for the quick reply. I just watched the first two Tremec install videos. I could feel your pain. Good idea on the dowel pins. I think I'm going to pull my motor even though there's nothing wrong with it just to make the install easier. I also have the hydraulic clutch to install so extra room is a plus. Thanks for the awesome videos I will be watching them all.
@@richardrosa4826 I hear you... My engine was out for a different reason, unfortunately. But, I don't think you need to go through the trouble of pulling the engine. I do understand where you're coming from. You're gonna love having a hydraulic clutch!
Strange how you couldn't get the upper right trans bolt in. The TKO I have for my '70 Charger has plenty of room around the bolt heads.
Thanks for the video. You have a good manner of presenting yourself.
Thanks Gregory! I'd be willing to bet you have a Ford bolt pattern. So, I'm guessing the Muncie bolt pattern has the difficult upper ear bolt hole issue. Sounds like a great excuse to buy a Charger. :) Thanks for the comment!
@@FastMonty Yeah, it could be the Ford version. I don't know enough about the details on it.
Thanks again for the videos.
@@gregorykern9679 Yeah, I really doubt you have a GM bellhousing. :) You're welcome! Thanks for watching!
The one thing you didn't mention was weight difference, if any, between the two models. The new TKX looks slimmer so you'd expect it to be lighter, but as they say looks can be deceiving. Great video.
Good question Brian... the weight is Negligible. I couldn't find the TKX spec, but the TKO is 99 lbs., dry. I think they just rearranged gear location, so I can't imagine there's a ton of weight savings. At least I couldn't tell when lifting it out of the box. Ha, ha.... thanks for watching!
@@FastMonty I honestly wasn't thinking there would be much difference either. The size differences you described wouldn't have been that much weight difference. And you didn't say anything about internal changes either. Betting you notice a difference when the new clutch goes in.
@@briankinnear7461 I doubt I'd "feel" the difference. But, the guts are definitely more robust than the TKO. The point of the video was to see it fits better, and if I can tell a difference in shifting. True, and True. Thanks for commenting!
@@FastMonty Got ya! Look forward to the clutch video.
@@briankinnear7461 Me too! Ha! It won't be for a while... the next mission is to convert to Fuel Injection. That starts next week! Thanks again for the comments!
I like my Muncie M22 Rock Crusher in my 1970 Z/28. Great video though.
Ha! I know you do. Thanks John!
I installed the TKO 600 in a 68 El Camino. That I purchased from American Powertrain. Supposedly the kit was supposed to be a bolt in kit no trimming at all. I had nothing but problems with the kit oh, I think they lied to me they told me maybe my body bushings were shot. Well they were wrong I took out the 68 body bushings and they will perfect. So anyway in order for me to get my pinion angle I had to move that transmission way up in the tunnel. I even had to cut the front seat mount bracket that goes from one side to the other side of the car. I had to cut out way more sheet metal than you did. But the results are awesome I can burn Tire 1 2 and 3 gears with no wheel hop at all. Because we're the El Camino if you don't have your pinion angle correct you'll get wheel hop
Thanks for sharing your story... I know the feeling. As when I put the TKO in, I did not have my headers installed. When I put my headers back, they were basically pointed down. I was sooo pissed. So, that's the biggest reason I wanted the TKX, just to get it higher, and somewhat back to normal. Again, thanks for sharing, it's definitely something everyone should be aware of. See ya!
@@FastMonty so its safe to say you will still have to cut up the floor?
@@MrSprintcat not yet... I can get an extra 1/2" at the tail, with the TKX, which is huge. Anything past that, I have other issues, like the power steering pump hitting the steering box. So, for now, I'm happy. Long term, I'll have to make other tough decisions. Ha, ha... thanks again for the comment!
My cousin Vinny!
YES!!! I was showing my wife, and she said... you didn't do the clap... "I" Clap "Dentical" ha, ha... thanks for watching!
Great movie!!!
@@rustyphoenixresto9887 Thanks Mark! Totally agree! Forgot the Clap in between Eye Dentical. lol
Very nice review of both transmissions. I still have the original Muncie in my 69. I thought about switching to what you have but I don't want to give up the steering column lock mechanism. Is there a provision to make it work? Rich
Thanks Rich... yeah, I felt the same way. But, being able to cruse at 2000 rpm @75 mph on the freeway was more important. I don't know of a provision to make it work, if you figure it out, let us know! Thanks for the comment.
Ohhh, and by the way, the steering column still locks when you remove the key. But, the reverse lock out obviously does not.
So for a stealthy look under the hood sounds ok to leave the reverse lockout cable in place attached to the steering column? Just need to find a way to secure the loose end under the car.
Hi, great video.
Do you have any problems with centerforce clutch and hydr. throwoutbearing? I have when shifting over 6k rpm. Those counterweights compresses TOB on higher rpms and therefore pushing clutch wont disengage the clutch fully. Im changing my clutch assembly.
347 sbf and TKO500
Great Question. I have not experienced the issue myself, but I'm aware the challenge. Which is one of the reasons I'm going to a RAM clutch. Thanks for the comment!
Great vid. Why does the TKO you have not have the torque. Arm mount ? I need that mount for my 85
Vette. To me the TRX seems like the company just wanted to make a cheaper product. I could be wrong. Does the TKO feel clunky to shift ? Nice Goat BTW.
Thanks... A standard TKO is only rated to 500 lb. ft. The 600 is rated to 600 lb ft, in first gear. NOT the entire RPM range for every gear. Hence the major improvement with the TKX. Not sure about "Clunky", but the TKX is different, smoother, more engaging, I'd say... Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks for the comment!
Mike, thanks for the videos. I know it takes a lot of time and effort. So thanks. I am considering going to a T56 in my 69 firebird. I am waffling back and forth. I want it then the cost says no then I want it again. Then I have my finger on the trigger ready to pull then chicken out. Help me decide, yay or nay. The car is an auto th400 with a 400 motor. Is it worth it did it change your driving experience enough to warrant the investment. Thanks again..
Ha! You're giving me the pressure now? Rip that bandaid off! You will love having a clutch. (I'm biased, but no musclecars should have an automatic) :) Hope that helps!
I just put a tkx in my 64 Impala .the best money I ever spent.
Awesome Kevin! Thanks for sharing... yeah, I'm loving mine, more and more.
Just got my TKX close-rario in my 68 GMC! Very impressive and transforms the Truck (sm465). I tried quick shifting and got a little gear grind sound into both 2nd and 3rd. Have you experienced this?
Nice! I have not experienced that... yet. :) Great to hear you're having fun!
@@FastMonty I may be overreacting, does yours sort of crunch into gear if you push it?
You showed some of the extra space, using your “screwdriver micrometer”, but how about your opinion of what mods, if any would have been required had you installed the TKX first?
Great question West... tough to answer that, purely because no two 69 GTO's will have the "identical" fit up. But, I'm pretty confident that it would probably take some minor "dimpling" towards the rear tail shaft area. Again, it depends on ride height too... as you can tell, my car is 3" lower than stock. When installing the TKO, or TKX, the rear mount is higher than the Muncie location. (I don't know the exact amount, I'm guessing almost 1/2", which is major change to the driveline angle. And, if you're running long tube headers like I am, it lowers those too... so, I wasn't happy about that, and had to shim the mount to raise it up further. The new TKX allows me to continue with bigger shims, almost getting me back to Muncie level.) Sorry for the rambling, but if you're worried about driveline angle, or header height, make sure you take those into account when "test fitting" the TKO/TKX. Thanks for the comment, and let me know if you have any other questions... See ya!
name that movie "Identical" How about My cousin Vinny?; was the Prosecutor and FBI Lab tech explaining the Michelin tires
Yes, sir! Totally forgot to clap in between "I" and "dentical", ha, ha... thanks for the comment!
Building an ‘88 Foxbody. I have been slowly purchasing all of the drivetrain parts for a TKO600 transmission. Now that I have gotten everything (excluding transmission) do all TKO parts match up to the new TKX? I can’t seem to find a new TKO600 anywhere, not that I want one now after watching your video.
Great question, Jake. The answer is the mounting points on the TKX are "I" clap "Dentical" to the TKO. So, you're in luck, you've stepped into the most perfect of upgrade scenarios, where nothing needs to be changed for your ancillary parts. That said, the installation is also Identical. So, check out my TKO install playlist to get an idea of what's involved. Happy Wrenching!
Thanks.
Welcome!
My Cousin Vinny is the movie you were talking about. The lawyer was talking about identical tires
Yup! I totally forgot to clap in between "I", and "dentical"... ha, ha... oh well. Thanks for the comment!
Ok Have a tKo. Had carbon syncros put in and that helped. Second gear not smooth anymore and makes a winning noise in 5th. Gonna pull the trans if I can get a rebuild kit. Since you had both is it worth making the upgrade. Big block car
Short answer, yes. Totally worth upgrading. The TKO design is 15 years old. The TKX is a much stronger unit, and smaller too. Hope that helps. Have fun!
With a .64 final drive, 3.73 is a great ratio, best of both worlds with a two.
I may have to dump my hemi 4sp overdrive and try the tkx
Hey Duane, agreed! That's why I'm really lovin my 3:55 with the .68 final drive. Thanks for the comment!
I've got a '65 GTO and I want to switch from the factory 15 inch wheels to 17 inch wheels and lower profile tires. What do you think about running 3.90 or 4.11 in the rear- it ought to be fairly decent on the highway at .68? Or would you recommend spending the extra bucks and going to a Magnum 6 speed trans? Thanks for your series- I want to upgrade my factory M21, and swap out the 389 for a rebuilt 428 with Edelbrock heads and a Lunati roller cam
@@wheelhorseman2306 Welcome to the channel... switching wheel sizes has nothing to do with engine speeds, etc... as long as you pick a tire that has the same OD (Outside Diameter, or greater than the original tire) That said, I'd say an overdrive of at least .68 is mandatory for your tall gears. A Magnum is awesome, and has the same final gear as the TKO/TKX. The issue is the Magnum, as the name infers, is HUGE. You will absolutely be cutting up your tunnel to make that fit. Love your idea going with a rebuilt/modified 428. Keep at it, and see you soon!
Thanks for the video. When you removed the plug that comes on the tailshaft did it damage the tailshaft seal? Thanks
No, it did does not hurt the seal. I actually re-installed that plug when I installed the transmission into the car. Makes a great oil plug during that process.
@@FastMonty Thanks for the reply!
@@philsoucy363 Of course, always here to help. Good luck!
What is the hp and torque of your car? Do you trust the aluminum bellhousing im considering doing the same swap on a 455 pushed to a 503 but am torn between a new aluminum or steel Sri rated housing… thoughts? Tia
Good question... The engine dyno'd at 515hp and 600 lb. ft. If you can afford it just go with the steel bell. (That's still on my bucket list. ha, ha..) Thanks for the comment!
They need a truck type that shifts like the tko/tkx tr6060.. especially for those who want a monster of a street truck.
Maybe they do? Have you asked Silver Sport? Thanks for watching... and for the comment.
will the stock driveshaft work or will it need to be shortened?
Good question Chris... no, the stock drive shaft will not work. But, the SilverSport kit comes with a shortened drive shaft with the ability to upgrade the unions. Here's the playlist of what I had to do to install it: the procedure is the same for the TKX. ua-cam.com/play/PL0VCtZe2W6ea6J2AM14HhRp_1HaZ8aewY.html Let me know if you have any questions.
So you don't need to cut the tunnel if your going from a th350 to a tkx?
Good question... not necessarily. Especially if it's an automatic car. The Automatic tunnel is slightly narrowed, as compared to a manual tunnel. That said, every car is unique, if you're making the decision to go manual, and you want an overdrive, the TKX is your best bet for size. But, as you approach your project, just be aware that tunnel cutting may have to happen. Be sure to check out my TKO/TKX install playlist to get an idea of what you're in for. Thanks again for the comment!
Can I fit the tkx on a 351 ingine for a 1978 ford f100? Thanks✌️
Good question Raul... Where there's a will, there's a way... I'd call Silver Sport Transmissions, and ask them. They're very helpful. Good luck!
Mike, did SilverSport give you a trade-in on the TKO? or do you still have it?
I sold it. Thanks!
I have a Big Block 66 Corvette Coup with the Muncie M20 4spd . I recently swapped the factory 4:11 gears for 3:55s and it still isn't freeway friendly ! I have to do something and was thinking about a TKX total package upgrade (clutch , flywheel , cross member , shifter , drive shaft , etc.) . I was told I need to replace my (original) body mounts to get it to clear the tunnel . What's your thoughts ? I'll be making reference to your videos if I go forward with this swap / upgrade .
Great question, George... as you may, or may not know, I too had a Muncie M20 with a 3:55 rear end. And going 70 mph was not fun... 3000 rpm ish? So, I understand. Getting an overdrive in there will be a night and day difference. To your question... if your body panels are nice and lined up, DO NOT change the body mounts. You will have a nightmare trying to re-align panels. Even then, that won't buy you a ton of tunnel space for the pain caused. In all honestly, your best bet is moving forward with a TKX kit, and say a ton of prayers to the car gods that you don't have to modify your tunnel. But, be mentally prepared to do so. My issue is that my car is lowered by 3" and ground clearance is critical to me. When I put my TKO in, I did not have my long tube headers mounted, and didn't realize until after I cut the tunnel, that the transmission sits lower at the tail, which caused the headers to dip lower. When I got the TKX in, I now have an extra 1/2" to raise the tail, with no tunnel issues. So, that's a good sign. Hope that helps... let me know what you decide to do, I'll help as much as I can. Moral of the story, the TKX is totally worth it!
@@FastMonty You've given me renewed enthusiasm since my biggest dread was / is the Vette's body mount issue . Besides , my console might hide any bump outs to the tunnel area . Just an FYI , I have factory side exhaust so no pipes are in the way . Thanks so much , I'll be bugging you again soon !
@@georgemay2547 Great! Just be aware of the "tilt" of the engine after the TKX goes in. It might affect the exhaust exit angle. Git er dun!
So with your combination what engine speeds were you getting at 60 miles per hour and 70 miles per hour
Doug, good question... I have a 3:55 rear. 65 miles per hour is about 1800 RPM. Hope that helps!
Hello montey, i have a 67 firebird with a 3 speed auto and i would love to install a tkx in it. What would i have to do besides buy a tkx (lol).
Congrats on upgrading your bird. Yeah, the install is the same as a TKO. Which I did a full playlist... check it out, so you know what you're getting into. Let me know if you have any questions along the way... here it is; ua-cam.com/play/PL0VCtZe2W6ea6J2AM14HhRp_1HaZ8aewY.html
I’m looking on what you use on my 1974 f250 with a 360 or 390
Good question, they make them with a Ford mounting pattern. I would call Silver sport Transmissions. They'll hook you up. Check out my TKO install Playlist, especially for what you need to do for bell housing alignment. Have fun!
@@FastMonty definitely thanks mate
My Cousin Vinnie. Love that movie.
You got it! I love it too! Thanks for the comment!
@@FastMonty I use that "two hands" bit, every time I can.
@@trunkmonkey9417 Ha! Me too! Love it!
Did you say two yoots...lol.
@@squidusn71 Ha! Sorry, your honor, two Yoouuutttthhhss... Too freakin funny!
Any idea why your clutch is chattering already? I wonder if you were not getting full engagement or full release?
Good question BandIt... It's my original Flywheel, and Pressure plate from my Muncie days. So, there's that. :) I might have a few hot spots... who knows, but it's going bye bye soon! Thanks for watching!
@@FastMonty Ah yeah so you inherited whatever condition the old flywheel and pressure plate were in. The twin disc setup should have a fantastic pedal feel and take gobs of torque no problem.
@@thebandit4393 Yup! I can't wait!
My Cousin Vinny!
Ha, ha... yes, sir! Thanks!
Btw American Powertrain offers a “extreme” upgrade for the TKX which makes it 900tq capable. Cost $1065.
Ohhh, very cool! I wonder what changes they make? Welp, when I get an engine that big, I'll have to find out. Ha, ha... thanks for sharing!
@@FastMonty “blue printing, rem polishing, and cryo treating.” Kinda seems like just going with a t56 mag makes more sense with the added cost but if space is an issue I would go for it. Or even down the line get it done? I watched a few of your videos, good work! I’ll be back when it comes time to mess with a TKX. Thanks
@@yotaismygame wow, yeah, that'll do it... agreed about a Magnum, those, as the name dictates, are huge. ha, ha... thanks for watching. Good luck on your ride!
@@FastMonty Do you know if there's a clutch fork kit to be used with an external "kid" cylinder? If I grab this transmission it will be going in a truck that originally had a hydraulic actuated clutch. I'm assuming I would just need the appropriate "Kid" cylinder and clutch fork parts??
@@yotaismygame Not off the top of my head... but, when I did work on my 95 Integra, it had exactly that. So, I'm sure one exists, even if you have to steal it off of an import. :) If you find one, please repost here, just in case anyone else is following along. Good luck!
It would be great to see this trans doing 6000rpm+ shifts with 4 or 500hp in front of it
Thanks Haydn... I'll video that in the Dual Clutch install video... how's that sound? (I already have the 500+ hp engine part of it, ha, ha...)
What rear end gear do you have?
Good question... I mentioned it right before the test drive, but I have a 3:55 rear end. Thanks for watching!
Are both the TKO and TKX the same length. Same as a Muncie. Worried about driveshaft length
Yes, the TKO is the same length as the TKX, but not the Muncie. If you get the TKO from Silversport Transmissions, it comes with a new drive shaft, which is better than the stock drive shaft. Let us know what you end up doing! Have fun!
The rear end in the GTO is it a 10 or 12 bolt, did it come with the car in 69
69 GTO's came with 10 bolt rear ends... Not sure about other years.
@@FastMonty Thanks good videos, excited to see how the Fuel injection works
@@davidbisnette7673 Me Too! Ha, ha... The Fuel Injection conversion playlist starts next week!
U have as much money in those 2 Bruce Jenners than I have in my entire car lol
Ha! Well, I sold the TKO 600, so... I only own one. :) Thanks for watching!
I bought the TKO600 right before that transmission came out. I wish I knew then. I would of gotten the tkx
Yeah, I felt the same way... I still needed to push it up a little more, because of header ground clearance. So, I sold the TKO, and upgraded to the TKX. Regardless the TKO was a dramatic improvement over my Muncie. I'm sure you're loving it...
Well my 69 Oldsmobile cutlass is a automatic 455 car. I ether had to shorten the input shaft or drill the back of the crank for the pilot bearing.
@@aDumtreeF85 That's interesting. I thought all cranks had a provision for a pilot bearing. (I know automatic transmissions don't need a pilot bearing, but I find it odd that a crank would be manufactured without the pilot bearing hole?) hmmm, good to know. Let us know what you end up doing.
I know it’s best to buy a Oldsmobile crank with the pilot bush hole already there. And it’s better to drill out the auto crank for the pilot bushing hole. Then to shorten the input shaft and then smack in a pilot bearing adapter. Even though that’s the easiest way to convert a Oldsmobile auto crank. Because you don’t have to pull the auto crank out to be drilled. Would be cool and interesting to see you do a video auto cranks and manual cranks for BOPC (Buick, Oldsmobile, Pontiac and Cadillac).
@@aDumtreeF85 Ohhh, good to know! Thanks for sharing! And, good luck!
Is it quiet? My TKO is so loud. Groans when downshifting.
Yeah, it's quieter... on the test drive, I think I said "sooo Clean". Random word, I know, but down shifting is a lot smoother. Hope that helps.
So are u happy with this transmission? Would a t56 magnum be out the question?
I love the TKX! A T56 is awesome too... but, for me, and/or anyone else with a Lemans/GTO you'd have to fully remove and remake the transmission tunnel. So, if you're in the point of your project that you have no interior, it's easy enough. That's why the TKO/TKX was my choice to begin with. (The T56 install is the same, just more tunnel work) Let us know what you pick! Thanks Mike!
@@FastMonty I have a 65 gto.. I don't know if I want to do the tunnel work 😂
@@mikegomez5796 Yeah, it would be painful with the T56. The TKX isn't nearly as bad.
What are those shifters?
What do you mean? I don't recall showing any shifters?
I miss my t56 its to expensive 🤣 how much hp can the TKX hold?
Yeah, T56 is too expensive, and too big.:) Transmissions are rated on Torque. Horsepower is just an equation of (RPM x Torque) divided by 5252. So, the TKX can handle 600 lbft. of torque throughout it's entire RPM range. Peak range being 8000 RPM... so, if your engine can put out 600 lbft of torque at 8000 rpm, that's 914 Horsepower. That being said, Torque peaks much sooner than 8000, which in this example, would be higher than 600. That's why it depends on your engine's peak torque. Hope that helps, and thanks for watching!
@@FastMonty
No one ever knows the Torque and rpm so use hp my manual 4l80e trans holds up to 2500 hp I got it from a junkyard and rebuilt it
@@JUNKYARDGTO OK? Not sure what to tell you... Hp is the quotient of Torque and RPM. So, if you make 500 hp at 5000 RPM, you an detrmine your torque, etc... Anyway, TREMEC rates all of their transmissions by how much Torque they can hold. Here's a link to the transmission used in Cadillac's, and ZL1's etc... all of them have a torque rating, not a hp rating. www.tremec.com/anexos/Literature/Product.Sheet_TR-6060.pdf That said, great to hear you can hold 2500 hp. That's an awesome number.
@@FastMonty
lol thats pretty good for a manual but still expensive and actually my trans is rated for 1800 lbft lol so I'm going with that
It holds just as much or more as the magnum but in order not to hurt t56 magnum sales they are not gonna tell u that
What rear end ratio and what size rear tire are you running to get 1900rpm at 55mph with a .68 5th gear ratio? Would be good info to share...
Good question Gary... I have 3.55 rear end with a 26.6" tall tire. Thanks for the comment!
@@FastMonty Great. I'm going to do this on my '67 this winter. Currently have 3:23, was thinking to go 3:73 as I'm running 17" rims with slightly bigger tires than you. Perfect.
@@hankreardon6998 Awesome! You'll love it. Check out my TKO install playlist... mainly to learn what not to do. Cuz I probably did it. Ha, ha... Have fun!
@@FastMonty I'm crying a little inside thinking about cutting my original floors open, so if the TKX minimizes that that will help.
@@hankreardon6998 I hear you. The TKX definitely minimizes the risk. But, can't guarantee you won't need to make some room. It will also depend on how critical you are with the tail shaft angle. I talk about it in my TKO install, where I cut the floors , installed everything... then put my headers back on. They were almost 1" lower, because the tail shaft is at a different height from the mount. Pissed! So, that's why I wanted the TKX... it allowed me to push the tail up another 1/2" without further mods. Crazy hobby we're in... lol
“My cousin Vinny.”
Yes sir! I should've clapped in the middle of saying Identical. Ha ha. Thanks for the comment.
My Cousin Vinny.
Yessss! Thanks for the comment!
My cousin Vinny! Lol
Ha, ha... yes sir! Thanks for the comment.
My cousin vinny!
Ha! Yes sir! Love that movie. Thanks for the comment.
With out reading comments how much does it cost$$$$
Good question... it depends on the options, go to Silver Sport Transmission's website. (shiftsst.com/why-buy-from-us) You can select your vehicle and options, etc ...
Ever heard of swivel socket?
That might have worked. I don't have one. A swivel attached to a socket definitely does NOT work on that bolt. Thanks for the comment!
@@FastMonty just look up " impact swivel socket "
@@doublecheeseburger1712 Yup, I'm aware. I just don't have one. :) Thanks!
@@FastMonty A swivel socket wont help, there isnt enough room for the socket to go on the bolt head. Maybe a super thin walled socket but that wouldnt be very strong.
@@MrToocoolz28 You're referring to the TKO flange... yeah, even if you got a thin wall socket on their, I don't know if you'd be able to attach your socket extension, or swivel to it. The best solution that I know of is the socket head cap screw, and ball ended hex. Thank God the TKX doesn't have that problem. Thanks for the comment!
Do you want to sell the tko? If so let me know a price etc.
Thanks Mike... I no longer have it. Good luck finding one! Maybe SST will give you a deal on old inventory?
Metallic mint green nineteen sixty foe Buick Skylahk convertible.
Nice... that'll be fun. Thanks for sharing.
@@FastMonty I was quoting My Cousin Vinny
@@carltonegarage8624 Ha! wow, I missed that big, didn't I. Thanks for tricking me... ha, ha...
What's the price on the TKX?
Good question, it varies based on your options... I suggest calling Silver Sport Transmissions. Or, at least look them up online. Well worth it for me!
@@FastMonty
I checked out their website but no price posed, I may have to call. I assumed they didn't just give one to you for free 😁.
I'm guessing around 3 or 4k just for the gear box but it'd be nice to know. I'm considering this transmission for an ls swap rwd conversion on a 7th gen Toyota celica. Still in the planning stage though.
@@FastMonty
I checked out their website but no price posed, I may have to call. I assumed they didn't just give one to you for free 😁.
I'm guessing around 3 or 4k just for the gear box but it'd be nice to know. I'm considering this transmission for an ls swap rwd conversion on a 7th gen Toyota celica. Still in the planning stage though.
@@177SCmaro Yeah, that's a good ball park... might want to ask for Shane. He's super knowledgeable, and might even know what parts you need for your conversion. Tell him I said hi.
@@FastMonty
Sounds good. Thanks 👍
What’s your rear gear?
Good question... I mentioned it in the video, before the test drive. I have 3:55 rear gears. Thanks!
@@FastMonty must have missed that 🤦♂️
@@FastMonty What made you decide to stick with close ratio? Do you track it? I’m going TKX wide ratio in my 78 Trans am with 3.42 gears on SST’s recommendation.
@@scottjohnson9102 Yeah, I hope to autocross... but, If I recall the TKO 600 only came in Close ratio??? I honestly don't remember. But, I love it! Have fun with yours!
@@FastMonty yeah TKO600 was only close, the TKO500 was wide. Thx
My Cousin Vinny
Ha! Yup! Totally forgot to clap in between "I" and "Dentical". thanks for watching!
My gosh, weight difference!!!!!!
Are you asking about the weight difference? It's a whopping 6 pounds lighter than the TKO 600.
1:20 My cousin Vinny!
Ha! Yes, sir! Totally forgot the clap in between "I" and "Dentical" Thanks for the comment!
So how does it shift at WOT
So far so good!
@@FastMonty So are you saying you have power shifted it?
@@racerd9669 Ohhh, no, haven't done that yet. Nor have I done that with the TKO. But, I have not missed a gear shifting at around 5500, where I used to miss gears, or not engage, with the TKO. Hope that helps?
@@FastMonty I had a TKO600 that would not shift, sent it out to Liberty Gear had it Face Plated , its shifts perfect at WOT at any RPM. But I just sold that and I am waiting for my new TKX now. But I don,t expect that to shift at WOT either.
@@racerd9669 Ha! Welp, let us know how it goes! I'm down for other upgrades... Thanks for commenting!
My Cousin Vinny heheheeeee
HA! Yes sir! What's a Yoot? Best movie ever. Thanks again...
@@FastMonty My first car back in 76 was a Midnight Green/Gold int, 4spd WT 400 and 355s. This may be why I LIKE YOUR CAR! LOLOL.
@@rogerrose8220 Ha! That would definitely explain it. I think you're the first to tell me you had the same color combo. Thanks for being a part of the channel!
@@FastMonty Yes Sir. Excellent site.
I'll try to fit a tkx in my 69 AMX
Sounds good to me! Can't wait to hear how you like it.
My cousin Vinny
Yes sir! Thanks for watching, and commenting!
A lot is wrong with the tko 600 it shifts like shit at high rpms just like a regular t5 unless u faceplate it
Good to know! I didn't have my TKO for very long... thanks for the comment!
My Cousin Vinny Identical
Yes sir! Thanks for the comment!
My Cousin Vinnie??
Ha! Yes, sir! Thanks for the comment.
waiting for my tax return and i am getting a kit for my 69 440 cuda.
Saaaweeet! You're gonna love it. Be sure to check out my TKO install, which should give you a great idea of what to expect during the install. Have fun!
Kinda incomplete and disappointing, esp for the length of time the video is. You did not show or explain your shifter location used on trans. You did not show what your shifter looks like installed in car. You did not show if you have a console fitted. You did not show mods to floor for shifter handle. You did not show or specifiy which shifter handle you used. It would have been nice to explain all that in 45 seconds for the benefit of people wanting to buy one of these trans for their GTO. no info at all about shifter location or fit :( not trying to insult or hurt you, simply being constructive and descriptive as to what people need to know on the swap and it is lacking here.
All good points. And, I'm not hurt. However, that was ALL covered in my TKO installation series. The shifter location is absolutely perfect. And, if you weren't aware, @silversporttransmissions makes over 30 different shifter location kits. You can check out the tunnel mods, or jump right to the shifter install, here; ua-cam.com/video/2NUGMcBRCl4/v-deo.html Have fun!
@@FastMonty ok, it is nice they offer 30 handles however, that just adds to the confusion. I did watch your other video. It would be nice to give a specific part number as to what shift handle fit the best, one you prefer etc. Also, I notice your batt cable seems to be in your way. I run mine over my trans and through the right frame back to the trunk. keeps it out of the way. More time on shift handle options and fit would be helpful. Best to you and Pontiac power forever!
@@69Applekrate I guess I wasn't clear. They have over 30 different shifter locations, one handle. So, when you call Silver Sport and tell them what car you have, they know what shifter location to use. I didn't feel the need to explain that. :) I went off script and ordered a Hurst shifter, which I thought I left the part number for that. Anyway, thanks for the comment, and yes Pontiac Power Forever! LOL See ya!
Nothing wrong with the TKO600????
You got it all wrong from the very get go.
Massive counter shaft weight vs tiny single blocker rings….
Garbage car trans. Great towing truck trans.
Come on man show us the guts!!!
I got it wrong? Or, was I being nice to those that already own a TKO?
LS swap that thing
Ha! That'll never happen. But, will probably do it on my next build. A pro charged LS in a 72 firebird sounds about right. Thanks!
Recycled pop ca n
Alluminum works.