Seriously? Just buy x670E Taichi? Cmon, this is a joke... you are a joke... let's pay the AIBs tax... please get out of the internet then. MSI Tomahawk B650, best AM5 board for the money, hands down. Hosting a 7950x and scored 38000 on Cinebench ON AIR! and VRMs are below 60C in BIOS on LOAD!
I bought a B650 Tomahawk when I realized that PCIe 5.0 is still vaporware and 2 years from real adoption. Couldn't be happier, temperatures are really good even on a 7950x. 30C idle, 60C load. I have DDR5 Trident Z5neo 6000 CL30, work flawlessly.
Well of course this video pops up in my recommended *after* I just invested in a X670E Pro RS *and* a 7950X. 😆 Glad to see that he had such good things to say, though. I was already pleased with the new build's performance & user-experience so far, but this helps further validate my pricey purchase. 😅 Thanks for another in-depth but concise video! I really enjoy the work you do. 👍🏻
It's no worry, these are extreme enthusiast concerns not every day user ones. They really need to start relaxing a bit though as they cause panic where none should exist.
Can you do a video of the PRO RS BIOS settings that you did to get the SWEET SPOT 180 Watt CPU settings you did. That board is at the top of my list and would love a video of the bios and what settings you need to put in to get the results you got.
It's nice that there some sane X670E boards out there, but the flaky support for 4 Dimms is a problem. I just had an unscheduled PC update: PC stopped booting (no life just drew 60w from the wall). After troubleshooting it seemed it was the motherboard so brought a X570S Gigabyte Aero G (4x M.2 slots👌). Didn't fix the problem so I brought a 5600X, that fixed it so it was the 3950X. While sorting out the RMA wasn't cutting effecting my work (even with PBO +200mhz) so brought a 5900X (nice mix of cores and cache), which was much better. Then AMD released the 7000 series price cuts... While prices have dropped DDR5 still costs double DDR4 (need 64GB), same with the motherboards. It's a lot of money when I already have decent components, it's likely I'll need 128GB in future in the near future (so 5000 is probably a better option). PS: You should do a video about NVMe RAID0, it's great for disposable data such as games and the 2x 2TB out perform virtually all 4TB drives (maxing the PCH bandwidth) when it cost only £300! 😎 Oh and the array survived switching motherboards, which I didn't expect..
No not really new just a new account as my daughter contaminated my old account beyond recognition with kid stuff and it took me a while to find this again
I got the ASROCK Riptide AM5 motherboard, B650, for $149.99 and a Ryzen 7950x from Amazon for $549. I just got the motherboard delivered today, but it will be a few more days before the CPU arrives. Can't wait to see how well it undervolts on this cheap motherboard. I didn't need PCIe 5 for the GPU, but it has it for one of the M.2 slots which is fine with me. If I need more storage I will get a M.2 PCIe add in card to go in the bottom PCIe slot.
i was considering "ASRock X670E Steel Legend" but now i will have to take a look at the "ASRock X670E Pro RS" as my second option. I see that the Pro as one extra nvme 3.0 .. thanks..always good to compare have to see if i can find a comparison vid.. for now i think the Steel Legend is better for me because of the bottom slot pci express16 physical it's x4 directly to the cpu. makes a good slot for a gpu down the line. and in the pci gen 5 slot makes a good nvme expansion slot.. i don't need a gpu the 7950X on board is good enough for my needs now..
Well as to AMD and memory my experience has been no problems. But after my 1st gen Ryzen with a GSkill set that was bad. I got a EVGA 3200 set that has worked across all revisions of Zen so far in my x370 Crosshair VI. I've since bought two x570 motherboards, Asus Crosshair Impact and Tuf Gaming x570 Plus wi-fi. The Tuf is running G Skill FlareX c14 3200 which I got on sale years ago. This is used for my HTPC. The Impact is my current gaming system with G Skill Neo 3200 c16 but I now have a 5800X3D in it so anything faster will not make a notable difference with my Sapphire Toxic 6900XT. I have a 1440p/144hz gaming monitor. I am what you would call a "casual" gamer. But I require top end performance. As too the heat situation. If anything this past summer has taught me and many gamers is that you need to exhaust the heat OUT of your room. Did you see all those YT videos about the Watercool MO-RA3-420 radiator to externally cool computer/gaming systems? That was with 3090ti's and Intel 12900K in their builds. Or Linus Tech Tips with the "grow cover" repurposed for exhausting the hot air from your pc to a dryer duct tube run out your window. This was a small room with no A/C. It reduced room temps by 10 degrees and the pc ran cooler overall. I just got the MO RA3 360 for my setup as I was roasted this past summer with 40C room temps (no A/C). My water loop temps with 2 360 rads was 50C while gaming without Radeon Chill the gpu hotspot would still hit 100C. Repasting only reduced it by 3 degrees at best, and that was with a 5600X OC'd to 4.75Ghz. My MO RA3 will sit near or in front of my window. Exhausting heat out in summer and warming the room in winter. Thank God for Black Friday deals. I was "broke" by Cyber Monday, lol. Next year I will revisit AM5 if the V-cache chips perform as well as the 5800X3D. But really how much more performance do current gen games need? Now with gpus inserting FAKE FRAMES into games. What will it matter? What's next? The game playing itself for you.
@@jjlw2378 A 10 degree rise in water temps is not unusual. Ambient temps at that time was 40C. In the past I ran a window A/C in front/near my pc. Electric bills thru the roof one bad summer changed my tune. I was rocking a FX9590 back then with crossfire R9 380's. I only wish I had bought this rad in 2018. Better late than never.
@@jerrywatson1958 I agree Mora3 is a great radiator. Check out new Byski B-1080-CEC-X too. I just think I would focus more on cooling the room rather than the PC. Take care!
ASRock scares the hell out of me. Just feel cheap. Maybe they've changed, I don't know. Shopping for a 670E I saw MSI apparently had a lot of bad reviews on Newegg for various QC issues. Then found the ASUS 670E-E with more features for the same prices so I went with it. Got 6000mhz low latency Expo RAM, will see how it goes when these new chips come out I guess. Never seen any high performance gear from computers to cars to firearms that didn't need some kind of tuning though. Nature of the beast.
Hey Brian. It would be cool to see you round up some case(s) which will fit a 420mm rad apropo the cooler you used in this video. Would love to see it from nobody else than the yes man
I am happy to see that Asrock X670E series are built well. They had a bad track record before. In my opinion, spending hundreds for a premium AM5 board and getting overkill features is fine by me. Plus, the cheapest B650 I can purchase right now is still expensive. They are not far from the X670E pricing. So, might as well go for the X670E and finger cross, it will last till the end of AM5 support. On top of that, the Ryzen 7000 series CPU is still expensive in here. No price cut has been done like in USA stores. The only worthy CPU to go for is the 7950X. It is expensive but is performing on par with the best of Intel 13th Gen CPU.
The Motherboards aren't the issue, though they have built in fail safes recommended by AMD. The weirdness is in the AMD cpu on the memory controller, it's designed to not allow certain mixes of ram size and speeds. This goes all the way back to x370 and 470 as well. People were blaming the MB's for failures when they allowed the Memory controller to be overworked and thus get damaged until AMD clarified a max on what could be used.
Honestly after looking for stuff, asrock looks the worst of all of them as they offer no warranty what so ever when everyone else offers 3 years or more. And keep in mind 1 year is legally required, but they don't even offer that. Massive turn of to ever buy any asrock products. I suppose there is a reason they are known as @$$rock
Nice video Bryan! Based off what Buildzoid has seen, 1.5v isn't an issue with many DDR5 modules (eg. SK Hynix a-die; m-die). Some modules (eg. 7200mhz) even come with 1.45V from the factory with XMP enabled. Heck, 1.5V is even listed as the max voltage in the SK Hynix datasheet for their current DDR5 chips. I'm curious to see if the limit is more cpu-based for the 7000 series... Also, for testing memory stability gaming really doesn't cut it - I would highly recommend using some free tools like y-cruncher; TestMem5; and LinpackXtreme etc. From personal experience, I've been able to hit 7000mhz/CL32 (RaptorLake) pretty easily with my run-of-the-mill Kingston Fury Beast 6000 kit (Hynix m-die), and rock stable @ 1.51v using the tools mentioned with dozens of passes. I haven't bothered pushing for a *stable* higher OC (yet), as I feel I'm at the sweet spot right now performance/voltage wise. I have gone up to 7400mhz in games, but it's not truly stable without higher voltages - which I'm not keen to daily drive yet.
just picked up a 7900x with a Aorus b650 elite ax, could I have made a better choice? I don't plan on doing any overclocking and i will most likely be getting the 7900xtx
Thanks for the great content. I jus noticed that Discord invite link is expired. Could we get an updated one as I would love to join the community with similar mindset
I got, 6400 MHz kit, never had so much trouble getting PC to POST. Tbh, also the first time I dealt with ASrock BIOS instead of ASUS. But everything is stable now.
Hi Brian @techyescity, I got a Gigabyte x670 ax mother board with Ryzen 7950x and cosair vengeance 16gb * 2 4800 MHz , P5 crucial M2 gen 4, RTX 2060 super, RTX 3060 Ti . I have installed ubuntu 22.04 but it is constantly freezing , I have tried different nvidia drivers for my cards but nothing seems to work. Could you please let me know what's going wrong here??
I don't think I'll be ready to go to 7950x from my 5950x for a year or two yet. It's gonna be such a hurdle with MoBo, 64GB Ram and the cpu when I have a fine system now. But I know that new system will power my 3D animations faster. But it really seems a good idea to wait a year or more as new boards and Ram come out, and folks like you show us the capabilities of each component. I wonder if a big tower cooler that'd be moving more air across the board might dispel some of the pcb heat around the CPU? I have huge positive pressure with 7 incoming fans and I suspect having air flow around the back of that MoBo, as well as the three top fans blowing down might help keep it cooler.
I was on a 3950x, don't regret moving to a 7950x at all. I am having a Noctua NH-D15 in a Fractal Torrent case and I scored 38000 in Cinebench MT. You don't need LC at all.
@@evalangley3985what are your boot times? Memory slot on am5 mb are weak. Memory controller is not good. You can say what you want but breaking warranty immediately by using pbo is not acceptable to me. My ryzen 1800x works well and at stock. To me am5 gen 1 is not good. Am4 zen 1 had issues to get the 3200 speed but it was the first months. We are one tear and you cannot put 6400 on a 7950x fully stable i bet. Intel is better this time. I am not a fanboy, for the moment my money would go to intel 13900k/14900k. But i am open and will wait Ryzen 8000, 770e chipset mb, and intel arrow lake 15900k to make full decisions. If i still don’t like these i can skip completely am5 and intel as well and keep my zen 1 computer 1080ti which works really well.
running asus x670e-e with 4 * kingston beast 6000mhz expo, last bios no issue at all at 6000mhz. it takes about 10s every boot to self check the memory.
When you say you got 6400 to work, what do you define your testing? I can’t even get 6200 to be stable on 7950x. I get game crashes after about a day or so. Did you just do some quick benchmarks and gaming and call it stable?
What this tells me is we desperately need a new generation desktop threadripper. I run many parallel processes and having at least 4 memory channels is essential to not bottleneck the CPU.
The Tai-Chi's onboard audio with the ESS SABRE qDAC and VRM alone is $200-S250 alone at cost....lol DDR5 is rated up to 2V B... One major difference between these 2 boards is the 2 PCIe 5.0 x16 slots capable of running at PCIe 5.0 x8 X x8.
I've been team AMD since 2018 but I just bought my first Intel upgrade since then. AMD lost me at the motherboard prices for AM5. Plus I could roll over my DDR4. I might come back team red but the platform entry cost is going to have to get a lot better.
PCIe 5.0 seems to be a long way away from being important or useful at all for (almost) any personal computer (I'm not talking about workstations or servers and the like). If you're not sure if you might need PCIe 5.0 or not... don't worry about it. Selling your old motherboard and buying a new one is always an option in the EXTREMELY unlikely case that you do end up needing PCIe 5.0 at a later date. Even PCIe 4.0 currently has very limited usefulness for most users. Even the RTX 4090 runs fine on PCIe 3.0 (16 lanes of course), though I'm sure you can find very rare cherry picked scenarios where it runs significantly slower on PCIe 3.0 if you look hard enough. I find it funny that now, by far the most common benefit of PCIe 4.0 in a personal computer is to allow full compatibility with some low-end and low-mid-range graphics cards, where the cards use only 4 or 8 PCIe lanes in order to reduce manufacturing costs (and this is what results in needing PCIe 4.0 in order to not bottleneck the card's performance, which is especially the case with intel's A750 and A770). I know there are some SSDs which CAN go faster with PCIe gen 4.0 vs. PCIe 3.0, but it's not likely to actually matter, even for someone who does a lot of video production work. Maxing out PCIe 3.0 speeds for SSDs is already extremely fast, and probably not going to slow down your workflow, though if you CAN use PCIe 4.0 without significant additional cost, that could still be worth it I suppose.
I agree if you are using just a single gpu. If you want to have two gpus at the same time the problem is that there are configuration limits that this eliminates by having the lanes to the CPU. The M.2 PCIE 5 will be quite important very soon.
I kept crashing when using cinnebench R23 with the 5.2GHz @ 1.13V and I also tried the 4.8GHz @ 0.985 still kept crashing..I made sure to undervolt in small increments from stock voltage..not sure how y’all are not crashing!! I’m on a water cooled setup. Motherboard: asus x670e crosshair Hero
Most midrange motherboards even have overengineered VRMs, it's a good thing for component longevity but it's extremely excessive on some boards. Let's say each mosfet phase can handle 25W of power delivery (they handle 50w or more per phase in reality if memory serves) if you have 10 phases you can easily push 225w consistently to the CPU for 24/7 operation. A decently spec'ed and cooled 4 phase VRM should handle a 200w chip, my b560 board has a 6+2 phase VRM my i7 only draws a peak of 165w when pushed with a power virus load, that's only about half of what the 6 phases for cpu vcore are rated to provide, the VRM doesn't even need the heatsinks on the board for the loads it will see. Any 20+ phase VRM is massive overkill even for extreme l2n overclocking you can't possibly push enough voltage to the chip without killing it to even come close to using that much power delivery, that's 1000+w of current delivery at stock spec.
Yeah, but if board makers stop adding those overbuilt VRMs people will immediately start complaining. There are few ways for a motherboard to stand out from the crowd except aesthetics and having a larger VRM phases count is actually the easiest to achieve, despite being almost meaningless in practical use.
Maybe overengineered for the current crop of Zen 4, but what about Zen 4+ or Zen 5? AM5 is supposed to support those as well. Besides which, do not trust the Taiwanese board makers' commercial claims. Oh and those "decently spec'ed and cooled 4 phase VRMs" are already used today and morphed into 8 phase or even 12 phase VRMs by the board makers' PR departments.
I mean I bought a ace z590 for nearly $500. But it does everything I want it to do. I use the EVGA NU Audio card as my entry level Audiophile can't live without Item. Its actually gotten worse then that. I look at the asrock taichi x670e. Its not that bad compared to what Intel is doing with some of their motherboards. If your looking for thunderbolt 4 or usb4. It would be tough to find a motherboard cheaper than what the taichi goes for. When it comes to amd 7000 series and up. You still have to pay $100+ for addon AIC card.
This channel has changed a lot. It used to be hands on pc cleaning and building pcs from parts that most people would just throw away, I really liked that content. Now it seems to be mostly tech talk and reviews, the stuff that dozen and a half other big tech tubers already do.
He's been doing it a long time man. I'm happy to see his channel growing the way that we knew it always should have. I'm sure he still gets **** for the whole 'Yes City' thing but it seems like he's found a formula that works. ASFAIK he still has another job so maybe if he switches to this full time we can see some of the old stuff come back. I bought a Xeon E3 1230v5 and overclocked it using the Asrock board thanks to him all those years ago. And then intel patched it!!!! Lmao! I'd like to think it's thanks to him
TLDR: This channel is a whopper now and you are right, it changed. It changed from great to grand! I understand what you mean but I disagree because he doesn't make 'yet another' copy-paste review. He shows us how to flip PC's, he gives us insights in economy and how its affecting everything and he is also keeping us up to date with recent events in tech world. When Linus Tech Tips said its time to throw away old Xeons Brian said that he is incorrect and that they are still great value for money. When Jay2cents told his viewers that they are stupid if they don't buy NVIDIA gpu's for 1500$ Brian said that its better to wait because prices would drop even more. I don't know any other tech youtuber that gives economy tips with actual terminology from economy. I have never got private message reply from other big tech youtubers, but I have had one from Brian.
@@djukic921 I agree wholeheartedly man, this channel offers so much content from a unique and educated perspective that even if someone covers the same topic… TECH YES CITY DOES IT BETTER! Every time. This dude is a blessing to the community.
Do you think those x16 pcie slots have x16 electronic connections? The specs say x8x8 when both slots are used. That's only a CPU limitation atm? - 2 x PCIe 5.0 x16 Slots (PCIE1 and PCIE2), support x16 or x8/x8 modes*
I just ordered a 7950x with a B650. It hurts my soul a little to get a lower end motherboard, but I don't need any of the extra features today, and the savings could buy a newer board in a few years if I do need them.
I ordered the 7950x with the Asus TUF X670E plus wifi and then found out it's probably one of the lowest priced X670E motherboards. At least it was on the site I bought it from, but that wasn't the main reason why I ordered it. It was because it seemed to offer a decent amount of features for the money spent, compared to a lot of others. I just found out delivery is tomorrow, so I can't wait to get it all set up.
My last couple builds were with Taichi boards. 1 is a X370 Taichi and the other is a X570 Taichi. I had planned on getting the X670e Taichi but then discovered to my dismay it's EATX which my case does not support. Changing cases is out of the question because I LOVE my case and it fits my entertainment rack perfectly. I opted this time for the ROG STRIX X670E-E GAMING. Ive had ROG boards before and they were fine. Still kinda sore about not being able to get the Taichi though.
wait just to check, so if we want 4 sticks of 128gb ram, it can still overclock to 6000mhz? i thought it maxed out at 3600 on 4 sticks? sorry , wasn't very clear and i am a dumb ass. hahahaha
It is a great motherboard based on features, just make sure you can update the BIOS on day 1, my BIOS would not update, there was some type of issue with mine, I returned it, because 7950x also did not deliver where I needed. Not to say CPU is bad. VRM is absolutely beast, new AGESA provides the improvements in memory, but I could not try it 6000mhz is all I could do
ddr5 6000mhz (Gskil) kit ,... (Rog strix x670E-E mobo) here. It seems very touchy atm. ddr5 will come into its own in time, but right meow, it seems a bit touchy.
It's the heat problems that's keeping me away from these new CPUs. I'm good with my 5950x and RTX 3090 for a couple of more generations. Hopefully they'll get the heat issues figured out. Cranking everything up to max to show that you're the 'best' isn't really the way to go.
Bro you didn't know you can set PBO on bios to reduce the heat. I saw video uploaded by Asus last month, latest bios can reduce heat to 70° with simple click.
Who needs more then 1 PCIe 16x slot on todays boards. I would like to see additional M.2 connections on boards. Makes more sense then populating the board with pcie slots.
You're right, but a second PCIe 16x slot is always useful, me for example I have a direct fiber SFP+ 10GB connection card to my setup thanks to that second slot. It saves me some bucks from buying a dedicated SFP+ switch with a an RJ45 10GB connection.
Personally I'm waiting until CES in January to hear about Zen 4 X3D and I'm trying very hard to not get sucked into deals right now, I'm not that desperate for a new board and CPU. (Rog Strix B450-F Gaming II & 5600x)
where too go from here? it will be about 4 years until we see new platforms - i think we will see some renewed growth in hedt and sworkstations but probably much more growth in sbc and minis
I opted for the Asrock X670E Steel Legend. I coupled it with the 7950x and 64GB RAM, I have heavy workloads (Software Engineer) and I couldn't see the point in getting the higher end models. Their spec list was impressive, to the point that they were just too much, almost like how the 4090 is too much.
I got the same stuff as you. What's your RAM? Mine is 64GB G.SKILL Trident Z5 Neo 6000MHz CL32-38-38-96 1.40v AMD EXPO? I'm curious how your system behaves. I'll be receiving the Ryzen 7950X soon. And will start rebuilding my PC for the upgrade. I'm upgrading from a 1st Gen Ryzen 1700 to the 7950X. But I'm no software engineer like you. I'm just a consumer user loser lol haha 🤣. I just want to have a beefy system incase I get the desire to do any work with the PC lol 😆
@@Gielderst Here are the full specs of what I got. MOBO: ASRock X670E Steel Legend DDR5 CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7950X Processor Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 Chromax CPU Cooler Black RAM: Corsair Vengeance 64GB (2x32GB) 5200MHz CL40 DDR5 White GPU: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 Gaming OC 24GB PSU: Seasonic Prime PX-850 Platinum 850W Storage: Samsung 980 PRO M.2 PCI-E Gen4 NVMe SSD 1TB Case: Lian Li Lancool 215 Mesh A-RGB Case Black I undervolted the 4090 by a little bit (I dont need anything more than 144 FPS so why bother wasting power on more) and it runs really well. Also means that the PSU choice will be more than enough. The 1000w recommendations are overblown IMO, especially if you slightly undervolt. The 7950x is a beast and an amazing jump in performance for me (my old rig had a 7700K). No stability issues so far and I run pretty hard workloads as I mentioned already. If I undervolt it as well by a little bit, I can cause it to not break 80 Degrees on full load without sacrificing barely any perf (maybe 5%). The 4090 does fit inside the case, however the power cable stops me from putting the side panel on, waiting for CableMod to release their 90 Degree adapters in the coming weeks. These adapters will allow me to bring the cable in from the bottom of the card and thus stop it from exceeding the side of the case without having to do rediculous bends etc.
@Matt Boatswain Awesome stuff. When I finish my rebuild. With the stuff I got. It'll be like this: Mobo: ASrock X670E Steel Legend - Upgrade part RAM: G.SKILL 64GB Trident Z5 Neo 6000MHz CL32-38-38-96 1.40v AMD EXPO Profile - Upgrade part CPU: Ryzen 7950X - Upgrade part CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 SE AM4/AM5 with the 3x 140mm " Puke Brown " color fans GPU: INNO3D RTX 3070 iCHiLL x4 - 4 fans - got this in April this year, brand new PSU: Segotep 1250W - had this one since 2017 still works alright Storage: 2x 1TB M.2 NVMe PCIe Gen 3 1x Intel 660P 1TB 1x Crucial P1 1TB 1x HDD 512GB Samsung from 2009 still works lol 😆 Case: an old ThermalTake Overseer RX-I with 3x 200mm case fans and 1x 140mm case fan Monitor: Alienware 1080p 24" TN panel 240Hz refresh rate Mouse: Razer DeathAdder V2 wired Keyboard: Kingston HyperX Alloy Origin with Aqua Tactile mechanical switches And I think that's all I've got. I wonder how the RTX 3070 I have will do with the FPS in gaming paired with the 7950X Maybe you could share your thoughts on my build. Your's is very similar aside from the 4090 lol haha 🤣
I did not managed to get my 1st amd build posting with more than 1 dimm installed, not even at stock settings - solid dram all the time for over 1h, regardless which bios I tried. Only posting with 1 on A2(each of both). Mainboard and RAM went back, but I still have no clue what the issue is. RAM was on supported list form gigabyte, but not on amd's lists. 1 socket pin looked way longer than the others. b650e elite x ax ice with an trident z5 64GB kit(F5-6000J3040G32GX2-TZ5RS) - 7800x3d. No clue what the issue is- - Is the the combo or a broken board... or the cpu mem controller??? so annoying when just wanna game😑
i am a bit confused why should the ammount of layers from a PCB make it better? and i dont really get why you shouldnt bhuy a gen 5 nvme? the speeds are btter and oyu just need a cooler + most of them come with one anyways
I sure hope so, I'm getting this bad boy this week. And the feature set of that MSI is vastly superior to all other brands at the $500 price point (except the ASUS ProArt if you need 10G Ethernet and USB4), notably the PCIe slots are awesome (you get 8x8x from CPU and an extra full x4 from chipset but not shared with anything).
So the difference between first gen R7K at range 17 to 27 power stages says the power of AM5 compatible processors will increase? For those CPU upgrading over time? Less optimization for power and performance? mb
Power delivery is going to 230 watts so dense Ryzen 7k processors can have a 170-watt TDP. Those 80 cent Vishay power chips could cost a builder up $21.6o / plus other components in the chain, per board. I don't know if the metal of CPU is harmed by heat-cycles, but I suspect not. All that latent heat probably takes out something less critical; say USB. Tuning?, everything is set to open-throttle like a racer-car with full Turbo'ing speed. And that's where we're at, at this point in the pandemic -"put your money down and take your chances". Cheers Mike!
@@SISSYPUSS I'm very happy with my x570S AM4 platform (complete PC kit build at run end pricclale prices July 2022 and purposely got off the tech train at 7 nm on all sorts of power, board and transistor endurance unknowns.
@@mikebruzzone9570 I believe X570's are very durable and should last a long time, mine is older than yours but hasn't had any problems, it runs really well.
Too late. Already bought an X670E board. But it's because $100 off the price during the Black Friday sale. Haven't got the CPU yet tho. Going for the 7700X.
My goal is a 7700X on an Asrock B650m PG Riptide (non-wifi). I simply don't need more than that. Have you done an in depth review of that board yet? It's Asrock's least expensive motherboard and it keeps selling out. Right now it's backordered. So it's obviously a hot seller. I'd love to know if it's a dud or not. Anyway, I've watched many Asrock motherboard unboxings, but you're the first I've seen do actual testing. Thank you. I'm a bit of an Asrock fan.
It's probably no dud.This is Bryan's video review for the B650 Riptide, but honestly I would get a Aorus Pro AX, a Strix or an MSI for about the same money. AsRock just cuts corners on these budget boards. Take care! ua-cam.com/video/ApIoOJoDSWQ/v-deo.html
Question: This DDR5 6000 limit is on the CPU side and not on the chip itself? I hope that future ZEN CPUs supported by AM5 socket and today's motherboards will not be also limited to 6000 if we already have way faster modules Intel can utilize. 7700x + mATX MoBo with PCIe 5 and M.2 5 is my way to go but I will wait because the prices of the platform right now are just ridiculous even on B650E Could you please make a video about BIOS undervolting, setting the power limit, and temp limit using different manufacturers (Asrock, Gigabyte, Asus, etc). Mostly interested in Asrock.
Fortunately x3d does not require faster ram to extract the performance. X3d with ddr 6000 will be equivalent to 14th gen Intel with ddr 8000. I do wonder if zen 5 will be somewhat slower than zen4 x3d just like 7700x loses in a couple scenarios vs 5800x3d. The x3d technology is quite interesting but I personally would prefer a CPU that is faster in all situations that CPU that is super fast in some situations.
DDR5 6000 is already 800MT/s faster than the officially supported DDR5 5200. When he used 4 sticks at 4800MT/s, he was running 1200MT/s over the officially supported 3600MT/s. Even Raptor Lake only officially supports DDR5 5600. We will just have to see how official support improves over time. But, generational increases matter much more for performance than RAM speeds. You can also get lower latency RAM at a given speed to help performance.
A plug for Ryzen 7000 - One of my games, Jedi: Fallen Order, still stutters with a R5 5600X, per tests uploaded to UA-cam. The FPS also often drops to 80. A 7600X rarely drops to 120FPS. If you have a higher refresh rate monitor and a GPU that can keep up, a Ryzen 7000 seems really worth the extra few hundred USD. I just ordered a R5 5600, and I am wondering if I made a mistake, spending $1300 on a dead-end platform when $1650 would have gotten me a nice, fresh platform with a CPU that truly satisfies.
JMHO but the 5800X3D helps take care of those frame dips, I just got one and retired my 8700k. It flat out FIXES 95% of the janky BS in most of these poorly optimized games. HEAVILY modded Minecraft Java Edition holds 100fps SOLID now. 7Days to Die (10 years of Alpha) stays damn near up around 144 fps with everything cranked on my 3080. I'm excited to see what the 7000 series X3D chips bring to the table but they will probobly be very expensive plus I am good for several years now.
@@yurimodin7333 That would cost $200 more than what I paid. Just $150 more would have gotten me the new platform. If I already had AM4, amazing! But, for a new system, it isn't such a good buy. -The modded Minecraft figures are much appreciated. Minecraft can be so demanding, but performance data is hard to find.
It's not that simple 150-200$ is a difference between a rx6700xt and rx6800xt. That difference is massive and you are not in a territory where you are going to be bottlenecked by your cpu if you are playing at 1440p( if you aren't you really should be 😆) . Buying a new platform is wise but might not be the best choice as the budget you have could be allocated better and offer better experience today!
@@wanderer7779 That is true. I have a 3440x1440 100Hz display, which the RTX 3070 is well-suited for, and the 5600 gets +100FPS in most things, dipping into 80FPS at times. Edit: I want nVidia for Optix, unfortunately when it comes to gaming value.
@@Austin1990 You are running a high resolution monitor your 5600 shouldn't be a problem for that ultra wide especially it being only 100hz. I'd say it was a good choice after reading the additional information you provided. I don't really know what optix is i assume something to do with ray tracing. But if wasn't for that AMD currently is way better value. The day i start looking at Ray tracing performance is when i max out a 2560x1440 27 inch 240hz screen preferably oled which i don't even own lol. Anything under 100 fps I'll turn down the settings down my gaming PC ruined me for consoles the day after i experienced 144hz i had my Ps4 pro listed for sale in couldn't force myself to play at that low fps.
i ended up getting the x670e steel legend from asrock and the 6000 cl30 ram kit from G.skill. i think ill try tuning it eventually but i wanna do research first of course
@@gezimlimoni2319 its been rough not gonna lie, the ethernet randomly disconnects on the motherboard at times, its a known issue that hasnt been resolved yet so no way to fix it. also with the set up since a lot of the connections are on the bottom some of wires were difficult to connect to be honest.
I expected amd to work on the memory controller. Ryzen 5000 series was really finicky regards to memory choices. My 5950x had a tough with even a 3600 cl16 memory.
yep my 5950x was actually "slightly" unstable with my 4x16gb bdie, quad rank kit running at cl 14 @3200mhz. I needed to relax my primary timings to c16/15/15/15 to be 100% stable, good thing that it only reduced about ~2% of gaming performance in cpu limited scenario (far cry 6 at 1080p with rtx3090) and less than 1% in memory intensive synthetic 3dmark timespy cpu test. When i heard from tech yes city that with 4 sticks platform couldnt even boot at 5200mhz its a massive OOF
@@adi6293 it makes massive difference if you have 2 or 4 sticks of memory, memory ranks also put additional strain on mem controller. Im guessing all your built systems were with dual kit config?
Ryzens memory controller is a bit finicky and for good reason. You really don't need 6000+mhz for ram and the speeds while on paper look impressive in actual use the story changes drastically. Even for video content creators those high speeds show little impact for the added stress to expensive components. While intel CPU will let you fry your CPU MC, Ryzen will go to a no boot method in order to prevent damage. Do a test with 6k mhz and 4k mhz to see what you actually gain for the risks. It's money down the toilet like crazy high end GPUs that offer little jumps in performance for huge price margins.
Just got back to Aus, crazy ride! Got some special used content coming up now for you guys!
You are the king Brian! ;-)
Does it involve Xeon? Can it run Crysis? Will I annoy others with dead memes?
Seriously? Just buy x670E Taichi? Cmon, this is a joke... you are a joke... let's pay the AIBs tax... please get out of the internet then. MSI Tomahawk B650, best AM5 board for the money, hands down. Hosting a 7950x and scored 38000 on Cinebench ON AIR! and VRMs are below 60C in BIOS on LOAD!
I am using my Samsung QN82Q900R for my DAC with pure digital signal from my GPU... thank you...
You didn't listen to Frank Azor... did you...
ua-cam.com/video/jKWwMY2qvlo/v-deo.html
I do appreciate how you review the onboard audio. Most don't. So big thanks!
I appreciate your look at the thermals. Good job!
As always a great show,thank you.
no one tests the audio of the motherboards. you are a master!
Nice breakdown!
I bought a B650 Tomahawk when I realized that PCIe 5.0 is still vaporware and 2 years from real adoption. Couldn't be happier, temperatures are really good even on a 7950x. 30C idle, 60C load. I have DDR5 Trident Z5neo 6000 CL30, work flawlessly.
Like the msi b650 tomahawk? I was actually thinking about buying this for the 7950x. I was concerned it wouldnt handle the cpu
Well of course this video pops up in my recommended *after* I just invested in a X670E Pro RS *and* a 7950X. 😆
Glad to see that he had such good things to say, though. I was already pleased with the new build's performance & user-experience so far, but this helps further validate my pricey purchase. 😅
Thanks for another in-depth but concise video! I really enjoy the work you do. 👍🏻
It's no worry, these are extreme enthusiast concerns not every day user ones. They really need to start relaxing a bit though as they cause panic where none should exist.
It's fun to watch reviews on stuff I will never have need or budget for lol
Picked up the B650E Taichi and it's been flawless.
asrock has been my favorite board makers since days of the 4coredual-sata2 /win xp days.
Can you do a video of the PRO RS BIOS settings that you did to get the SWEET SPOT 180 Watt CPU settings you did. That board is at the top of my list and would love a video of the bios and what settings you need to put in to get the results you got.
It's nice that there some sane X670E boards out there, but the flaky support for 4 Dimms is a problem.
I just had an unscheduled PC update: PC stopped booting (no life just drew 60w from the wall). After troubleshooting it seemed it was the motherboard so brought a X570S Gigabyte Aero G (4x M.2 slots👌). Didn't fix the problem so I brought a 5600X, that fixed it so it was the 3950X. While sorting out the RMA wasn't cutting effecting my work (even with PBO +200mhz) so brought a 5900X (nice mix of cores and cache), which was much better. Then AMD released the 7000 series price cuts...
While prices have dropped DDR5 still costs double DDR4 (need 64GB), same with the motherboards. It's a lot of money when I already have decent components, it's likely I'll need 128GB in future in the near future (so 5000 is probably a better option).
PS: You should do a video about NVMe RAID0, it's great for disposable data such as games and the 2x 2TB out perform virtually all 4TB drives (maxing the PCH bandwidth) when it cost only £300! 😎
Oh and the array survived switching motherboards, which I didn't expect..
Highly engaging!
Hi . please tell me how can i connect .5.1 audiosystem to this mother board ? i read manual but cant understand where is 3rd 3,5 jack
What a weird looking Xeon.
waiting for used price performance Sapphire Rapids in the future do you eager to wait 😆
💀💀 intel ewww
You mean Opteron it uses an opteron socket
@@valudusstormyst4893 You must be new here. Welcome, new subscriber!
No not really new just a new account as my daughter contaminated my old account beyond recognition with kid stuff and it took me a while to find this again
I got the ASROCK Riptide AM5 motherboard, B650, for $149.99 and a Ryzen 7950x from Amazon for $549. I just got the motherboard delivered today, but it will be a few more days before the CPU arrives. Can't wait to see how well it undervolts on this cheap motherboard. I didn't need PCIe 5 for the GPU, but it has it for one of the M.2 slots which is fine with me. If I need more storage I will get a M.2 PCIe add in card to go in the bottom PCIe slot.
i was considering "ASRock X670E Steel Legend" but now i will have to take a look at the "ASRock X670E Pro RS" as my second option.
I see that the Pro as one extra nvme 3.0 .. thanks..always good to compare have to see if i can find a comparison vid.. for now i think the Steel Legend is better for me because of the bottom slot pci express16 physical it's x4 directly to the cpu. makes a good slot for a gpu down the line. and in the pci gen 5 slot makes a good nvme expansion slot.. i don't need a gpu the 7950X on board is good enough for my needs now..
Does moving the primary m.2 on the Taichi away from the GPU and CPU socket help with heat dissipation / cooling?
My board graphic LED lights up but when I press the pwr button on case, it turns on for a second and than turns off.
Well as to AMD and memory my experience has been no problems. But after my 1st gen Ryzen with a GSkill set that was bad. I got a EVGA 3200 set that has worked across all revisions of Zen so far in my x370 Crosshair VI. I've since bought two x570 motherboards, Asus Crosshair Impact and Tuf Gaming x570 Plus wi-fi. The Tuf is running G Skill FlareX c14 3200 which I got on sale years ago. This is used for my HTPC. The Impact is my current gaming system with G Skill Neo 3200 c16 but I now have a 5800X3D in it so anything faster will not make a notable difference with my Sapphire Toxic 6900XT. I have a 1440p/144hz gaming monitor. I am what you would call a "casual" gamer. But I require top end performance.
As too the heat situation. If anything this past summer has taught me and many gamers is that you need to exhaust the heat OUT of your room. Did you see all those YT videos about the Watercool MO-RA3-420 radiator to externally cool computer/gaming systems? That was with 3090ti's and Intel 12900K in their builds. Or Linus Tech Tips with the "grow cover" repurposed for exhausting the hot air from your pc to a dryer duct tube run out your window. This was a small room with no A/C. It reduced room temps by 10 degrees and the pc ran cooler overall. I just got the MO RA3 360 for my setup as I was roasted this past summer with 40C room temps (no A/C). My water loop temps with 2 360 rads was 50C while gaming without Radeon Chill the gpu hotspot would still hit 100C. Repasting only reduced it by 3 degrees at best, and that was with a 5600X OC'd to 4.75Ghz. My MO RA3 will sit near or in front of my window. Exhausting heat out in summer and warming the room in winter. Thank God for Black Friday deals. I was "broke" by Cyber Monday, lol. Next year I will revisit AM5 if the V-cache chips perform as well as the 5800X3D. But really how much more performance do current gen games need? Now with gpus inserting FAKE FRAMES into games. What will it matter? What's next? The game playing itself for you.
You should probably buy a window unit AC instead of a Mora3. 50°C water temp is insanely hot for such a small heat load from 5600x/6900xt.
@@jjlw2378 A 10 degree rise in water temps is not unusual. Ambient temps at that time was 40C. In the past I ran a window A/C in front/near my pc. Electric bills thru the roof one bad summer changed my tune. I was rocking a FX9590 back then with crossfire R9 380's. I only wish I had bought this rad in 2018. Better late than never.
@@jerrywatson1958 I agree Mora3 is a great radiator. Check out new Byski B-1080-CEC-X too. I just think I would focus more on cooling the room rather than the PC. Take care!
ASRock scares the hell out of me. Just feel cheap. Maybe they've changed, I don't know. Shopping for a 670E I saw MSI apparently had a lot of bad reviews on Newegg for various QC issues. Then found the ASUS 670E-E with more features for the same prices so I went with it. Got 6000mhz low latency Expo RAM, will see how it goes when these new chips come out I guess.
Never seen any high performance gear from computers to cars to firearms that didn't need some kind of tuning though. Nature of the beast.
update 1 year in?
Hey Brian. It would be cool to see you round up some case(s) which will fit a 420mm rad apropo the cooler you used in this video. Would love to see it from nobody else than the yes man
+rep to the Fractal Torrent to this; have it in push-pull with the 420mm Corsair AIO
Shit, just ordered everything you started out with, I'll keep watching buddy. ( If you want what I picked just ask me )
I am happy to see that Asrock X670E series are built well. They had a bad track record before. In my opinion, spending hundreds for a premium AM5 board and getting overkill features is fine by me. Plus, the cheapest B650 I can purchase right now is still expensive. They are not far from the X670E pricing. So, might as well go for the X670E and finger cross, it will last till the end of AM5 support.
On top of that, the Ryzen 7000 series CPU is still expensive in here. No price cut has been done like in USA stores. The only worthy CPU to go for is the 7950X. It is expensive but is performing on par with the best of Intel 13th Gen CPU.
Asrock had a very good record with their AMD motherboards, it's their Intel ones which weren't great.
Did they? I dont recall seeing bad stuff from them at least on AMD chipsets. They always did the best AMD motherboards...
The Motherboards aren't the issue, though they have built in fail safes recommended by AMD. The weirdness is in the AMD cpu on the memory controller, it's designed to not allow certain mixes of ram size and speeds. This goes all the way back to x370 and 470 as well. People were blaming the MB's for failures when they allowed the Memory controller to be overworked and thus get damaged until AMD clarified a max on what could be used.
Honestly after looking for stuff, asrock looks the worst of all of them as they offer no warranty what so ever when everyone else offers 3 years or more.
And keep in mind 1 year is legally required, but they don't even offer that. Massive turn of to ever buy any asrock products. I suppose there is a reason they are known as @$$rock
Nice video Bryan!
Based off what Buildzoid has seen, 1.5v isn't an issue with many DDR5 modules (eg. SK Hynix a-die; m-die). Some modules (eg. 7200mhz) even come with 1.45V from the factory with XMP enabled. Heck, 1.5V is even listed as the max voltage in the SK Hynix datasheet for their current DDR5 chips. I'm curious to see if the limit is more cpu-based for the 7000 series...
Also, for testing memory stability gaming really doesn't cut it - I would highly recommend using some free tools like y-cruncher; TestMem5; and LinpackXtreme etc. From personal experience, I've been able to hit 7000mhz/CL32 (RaptorLake) pretty easily with my run-of-the-mill Kingston Fury Beast 6000 kit (Hynix m-die), and rock stable @ 1.51v using the tools mentioned with dozens of passes. I haven't bothered pushing for a *stable* higher OC (yet), as I feel I'm at the sweet spot right now performance/voltage wise. I have gone up to 7400mhz in games, but it's not truly stable without higher voltages - which I'm not keen to daily drive yet.
Test it out yourself. At 1.25V without air flow DDR5 sticks go to 70C.
@@penguinbelly Mine are currently at 1.51V and idling at 46-47 degrees Celsius... All in an ITX case, with some airflow. Currently at 7000MT C32.
Hi Brian hope you are well do a review on the raidmax F01 case
just picked up a 7900x with a Aorus b650 elite ax, could I have made a better choice? I don't plan on doing any overclocking and i will most likely be getting the 7900xtx
On the Taichi how do I known if I am using the Sabre Dac or the ALC4082? Also, which one is better for gaming and directional audio?
So there's 2 audio solutions for front and back? Normal budget boards just have one split between front and back right?
If I use the M2. Gen 5 slot that's shares with the CPU on the Taichi, will my Grafic card still run 16x or does it go down to 8x?
Thanks for the great content.
I jus noticed that Discord invite link is expired. Could we get an updated one as I would love to join the community with similar mindset
Just wondering on if it's possible to push ram over 7000Mhz on these boards
Thanks
I got, 6400 MHz kit, never had so much trouble getting PC to POST. Tbh, also the first time I dealt with ASrock BIOS instead of ASUS. But everything is stable now.
Hi Brian @techyescity, I got a Gigabyte x670 ax mother board with Ryzen 7950x and cosair vengeance 16gb * 2 4800 MHz , P5 crucial M2 gen 4, RTX 2060 super, RTX 3060 Ti . I have installed ubuntu 22.04 but it is constantly freezing , I have tried different nvidia drivers for my cards but nothing seems to work. Could you please let me know what's going wrong here??
I don't think I'll be ready to go to 7950x from my 5950x for a year or two yet. It's gonna be such a hurdle with MoBo, 64GB Ram and the cpu when I have a fine system now. But I know that new system will power my 3D animations faster. But it really seems a good idea to wait a year or more as new boards and Ram come out, and folks like you show us the capabilities of each component.
I wonder if a big tower cooler that'd be moving more air across the board might dispel some of the pcb heat around the CPU? I have huge positive pressure with 7 incoming fans and I suspect having air flow around the back of that MoBo, as well as the three top fans blowing down might help keep it cooler.
I was on a 3950x, don't regret moving to a 7950x at all. I am having a Noctua NH-D15 in a Fractal Torrent case and I scored 38000 in Cinebench MT. You don't need LC at all.
@@evalangley3985 I have a Fractal Torrent also! It's a very good case.
@@evalangley3985what are your boot times? Memory slot on am5 mb are weak. Memory controller is not good. You can say what you want but breaking warranty immediately by using pbo is not acceptable to me. My ryzen 1800x works well and at stock. To me am5 gen 1 is not good. Am4 zen 1 had issues to get the 3200 speed but it was the first months. We are one tear and you cannot put 6400 on a 7950x fully stable i bet. Intel is better this time. I am not a fanboy, for the moment my money would go to intel 13900k/14900k. But i am open and will wait Ryzen 8000, 770e chipset mb, and intel arrow lake 15900k to make full decisions. If i still don’t like these i can skip completely am5 and intel as well and keep my zen 1 computer 1080ti which works really well.
running asus x670e-e with 4 * kingston beast 6000mhz expo, last bios no issue at all at 6000mhz. it takes about 10s every boot to self check the memory.
When you say you got 6400 to work, what do you define your testing?
I can’t even get 6200 to be stable on 7950x. I get game crashes after about a day or so. Did you just do some quick benchmarks and gaming and call it stable?
is ASRock BIOS & Software user friendly? I may buy this one. It's white (white setup) & also has 27 Power cores. All good features while being white.
Great channel. Glad I found it.
Undervolt 7950x in gaming?
Doable or not?
What this tells me is we desperately need a new generation desktop threadripper. I run many parallel processes and having at least 4 memory channels is essential to not bottleneck the CPU.
The Tai-Chi's onboard audio with the ESS SABRE qDAC and VRM alone is $200-S250 alone at cost....lol
DDR5 is rated up to 2V B...
One major difference between these 2 boards is the 2 PCIe 5.0 x16 slots capable of running at PCIe 5.0 x8 X x8.
Very nice sharing 👌👌
It's like been back on the 1700 on Asus x370 prime pro. Fine after several bios updates but not good for the first 6 or so months.
Hello,,,what is the difference between . X670E Pro RS and X670E Steel Legend
What's going on with the B650 motherboards, i saw very little reviews of them to be honest.
Do a detailed video about memory support please!
I really want to buy 32gb more and fill out all four ports.
Can look into it more when I get some time, gotta hit the dumpsters first though!
I've been team AMD since 2018 but I just bought my first Intel upgrade since then. AMD lost me at the motherboard prices for AM5. Plus I could roll over my DDR4. I might come back team red but the platform entry cost is going to have to get a lot better.
Timely review in time for 7800
PCIe 5.0 seems to be a long way away from being important or useful at all for (almost) any personal computer (I'm not talking about workstations or servers and the like). If you're not sure if you might need PCIe 5.0 or not... don't worry about it. Selling your old motherboard and buying a new one is always an option in the EXTREMELY unlikely case that you do end up needing PCIe 5.0 at a later date.
Even PCIe 4.0 currently has very limited usefulness for most users. Even the RTX 4090 runs fine on PCIe 3.0 (16 lanes of course), though I'm sure you can find very rare cherry picked scenarios where it runs significantly slower on PCIe 3.0 if you look hard enough. I find it funny that now, by far the most common benefit of PCIe 4.0 in a personal computer is to allow full compatibility with some low-end and low-mid-range graphics cards, where the cards use only 4 or 8 PCIe lanes in order to reduce manufacturing costs (and this is what results in needing PCIe 4.0 in order to not bottleneck the card's performance, which is especially the case with intel's A750 and A770).
I know there are some SSDs which CAN go faster with PCIe gen 4.0 vs. PCIe 3.0, but it's not likely to actually matter, even for someone who does a lot of video production work. Maxing out PCIe 3.0 speeds for SSDs is already extremely fast, and probably not going to slow down your workflow, though if you CAN use PCIe 4.0 without significant additional cost, that could still be worth it I suppose.
I agree if you are using just a single gpu. If you want to have two gpus at the same time the problem is that there are configuration limits that this eliminates by having the lanes to the CPU. The M.2 PCIE 5 will be quite important very soon.
The ram I am using in my x670e is 7200mhz and doesn’t have an issue so far
We bought the Taichi at $469 because it had the two pcie5 slots and the USB4.
your discord link is expired and i need a lil help with the pc i jus bought it has those green horizontal lines like in one of ur videos
Mobo prices on AM5 are on the upper end HEDT range.
I kept crashing when using cinnebench R23 with the 5.2GHz @ 1.13V and I also tried the 4.8GHz @ 0.985 still kept crashing..I made sure to undervolt in small increments from stock voltage..not sure how y’all are not crashing!!
I’m on a water cooled setup.
Motherboard: asus x670e crosshair Hero
Most midrange motherboards even have overengineered VRMs, it's a good thing for component longevity but it's extremely excessive on some boards. Let's say each mosfet phase can handle 25W of power delivery (they handle 50w or more per phase in reality if memory serves) if you have 10 phases you can easily push 225w consistently to the CPU for 24/7 operation. A decently spec'ed and cooled 4 phase VRM should handle a 200w chip, my b560 board has a 6+2 phase VRM my i7 only draws a peak of 165w when pushed with a power virus load, that's only about half of what the 6 phases for cpu vcore are rated to provide, the VRM doesn't even need the heatsinks on the board for the loads it will see. Any 20+ phase VRM is massive overkill even for extreme l2n overclocking you can't possibly push enough voltage to the chip without killing it to even come close to using that much power delivery, that's 1000+w of current delivery at stock spec.
Yeah, but if board makers stop adding those overbuilt VRMs people will immediately start complaining. There are few ways for a motherboard to stand out from the crowd except aesthetics and having a larger VRM phases count is actually the easiest to achieve, despite being almost meaningless in practical use.
I think overkill board were build because zen 5 will be similar to Intel big+small core.
Maybe overengineered for the current crop of Zen 4, but what about Zen 4+ or Zen 5? AM5 is supposed to support those as well. Besides which, do not trust the Taiwanese board makers' commercial claims. Oh and those "decently spec'ed and cooled 4 phase VRMs" are already used today and morphed into 8 phase or even 12 phase VRMs by the board makers' PR departments.
I mean I bought a ace z590 for nearly $500. But it does everything I want it to do. I use the EVGA NU Audio card as my entry level Audiophile can't live without Item. Its actually gotten worse then that. I look at the asrock taichi x670e. Its not that bad compared to what Intel is doing with some of their motherboards. If your looking for thunderbolt 4 or usb4. It would be tough to find a motherboard cheaper than what the taichi goes for. When it comes to amd 7000 series and up. You still have to pay $100+ for addon AIC card.
This channel has changed a lot. It used to be hands on pc cleaning and building pcs from parts that most people would just throw away, I really liked that content. Now it seems to be mostly tech talk and reviews, the stuff that dozen and a half other big tech tubers already do.
He's been doing it a long time man. I'm happy to see his channel growing the way that we knew it always should have. I'm sure he still gets **** for the whole 'Yes City' thing but it seems like he's found a formula that works. ASFAIK he still has another job so maybe if he switches to this full time we can see some of the old stuff come back. I bought a Xeon E3 1230v5 and overclocked it using the Asrock board thanks to him all those years ago. And then intel patched it!!!! Lmao! I'd like to think it's thanks to him
TLDR:
This channel is a whopper now and you are right, it changed.
It changed from great to grand!
I understand what you mean but I disagree because he doesn't make 'yet another' copy-paste review.
He shows us how to flip PC's, he gives us insights in economy and how its affecting everything and he is also keeping us up to date with recent events in tech world.
When Linus Tech Tips said its time to throw away old Xeons Brian said that he is incorrect and that they are still great value for money. When Jay2cents told his viewers that they are stupid if they don't buy NVIDIA gpu's for 1500$ Brian said that its better to wait because prices would drop even more.
I don't know any other tech youtuber that gives economy tips with actual terminology from economy.
I have never got private message reply from other big tech youtubers, but I have had one from Brian.
@@djukic921 I agree wholeheartedly man, this channel offers so much content from a unique and educated perspective that even if someone covers the same topic… TECH YES CITY DOES IT BETTER! Every time. This dude is a blessing to the community.
242W is the maximum rating for AM5.
the maximum voltage for the 7950X is 1.475V.
that means any VRM that is more than 165A is overkill
I bought an AM4 board with a 5900x. Should last me about 5 years. Prices on these new boards and CPU's are way too high.
Definitely! I just bought a 5800x3d and a used 3080. Should last me way longer. Newer cpu, boards and gpu are crazy expensive.
@@kada0420 I paid a total of 600 for both. Plus i can re-use my DDR4 RAM from my old build.
@@DeadPhoenix86DP yes! I also reuse my ddr4 ram since I came from ryzen 5 1600 + 1060. All I need now is a 1440p monitor to complete the setup.
Same! 350€ for the 5900x good price imo
why is 8 layber PCB the creme of the crop? how does it help the consumer?
Do you think those x16 pcie slots have x16 electronic connections? The specs say x8x8 when both slots are used. That's only a CPU limitation atm?
- 2 x PCIe 5.0 x16 Slots (PCIE1 and PCIE2), support x16 or x8/x8 modes*
That is correct almost all pcie slots work that way on consumer chips
It halves to x8 when 2 are used
I just ordered a 7950x with a B650. It hurts my soul a little to get a lower end motherboard, but I don't need any of the extra features today, and the savings could buy a newer board in a few years if I do need them.
I ordered the 7950x with the Asus TUF X670E plus wifi and then found out it's probably one of the lowest priced X670E motherboards. At least it was on the site I bought it from, but that wasn't the main reason why I ordered it. It was because it seemed to offer a decent amount of features for the money spent, compared to a lot of others. I just found out delivery is tomorrow, so I can't wait to get it all set up.
@@yufoh7753 actually ASRock steel legend is the best bang for the X670E boards. It's cheaper than Asus TUF X670
My last couple builds were with Taichi boards. 1 is a X370 Taichi and the other is a X570 Taichi. I had planned on getting the X670e Taichi but then discovered to my dismay it's EATX which my case does not support. Changing cases is out of the question because I LOVE my case and it fits my entertainment rack perfectly. I opted this time for the ROG STRIX X670E-E GAMING. Ive had ROG boards before and they were fine. Still kinda sore about not being able to get the Taichi though.
How about Asus Strix B650E-E gaming Wifi ?
wait just to check, so if we want 4 sticks of 128gb ram, it can still overclock to 6000mhz? i thought it maxed out at 3600 on 4 sticks?
sorry , wasn't very clear and i am a dumb ass. hahahaha
Better over built then under built. That vrm keeps a smooth clean flow of power. Not just for overclocking.
It is a great motherboard based on features, just make sure you can update the BIOS on day 1, my BIOS would not update, there was some type of issue with mine, I returned it, because 7950x also did not deliver where I needed.
Not to say CPU is bad.
VRM is absolutely beast, new AGESA provides the improvements in memory, but I could not try it 6000mhz is all I could do
ddr5 6000mhz (Gskil) kit ,... (Rog strix x670E-E mobo) here. It seems very touchy atm. ddr5 will come into its own in time, but right meow, it seems a bit touchy.
It's the heat problems that's keeping me away from these new CPUs. I'm good with my 5950x and RTX 3090 for a couple of more generations. Hopefully they'll get the heat issues figured out. Cranking everything up to max to show that you're the 'best' isn't really the way to go.
Bro you didn't know you can set PBO on bios to reduce the heat. I saw video uploaded by Asus last month, latest bios can reduce heat to 70° with simple click.
Am returning my Asus Mobo and getting the Taichi or MEG X670E ACE. What is the better pick?
Msi ace
Who needs more then 1 PCIe 16x slot on todays boards. I would like to see additional M.2 connections on boards. Makes more sense then populating the board with pcie slots.
You're right, but a second PCIe 16x slot is always useful, me for example I have a direct fiber SFP+ 10GB connection card to my setup thanks to that second slot. It saves me some bucks from buying a dedicated SFP+ switch with a an RJ45 10GB connection.
Personally I'm waiting until CES in January to hear about Zen 4 X3D and I'm trying very hard to not get sucked into deals right now, I'm not that desperate for a new board and CPU. (Rog Strix B450-F Gaming II & 5600x)
where too go from here? it will be about 4 years until we see new platforms - i think we will see some renewed growth in hedt and sworkstations but probably much more growth in sbc and minis
1.5 volt is absolute ok with standard cooling solution.
Can we hit the 5.2ghz at 1.14v on a 5950X???
I opted for the Asrock X670E Steel Legend. I coupled it with the 7950x and 64GB RAM, I have heavy workloads (Software Engineer) and I couldn't see the point in getting the higher end models. Their spec list was impressive, to the point that they were just too much, almost like how the 4090 is too much.
I got the same stuff as you. What's your RAM?
Mine is 64GB G.SKILL Trident Z5 Neo 6000MHz CL32-38-38-96 1.40v AMD EXPO?
I'm curious how your system behaves.
I'll be receiving the Ryzen 7950X soon.
And will start rebuilding my PC for the upgrade.
I'm upgrading from a 1st Gen Ryzen 1700 to the 7950X. But I'm no software engineer like you. I'm just a consumer user loser lol haha 🤣. I just want to have a beefy system incase I get the desire to do any work with the PC lol 😆
@@Gielderst
Here are the full specs of what I got.
MOBO: ASRock X670E Steel Legend DDR5
CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7950X Processor
Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 Chromax CPU Cooler Black
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 64GB (2x32GB) 5200MHz CL40 DDR5 White
GPU: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 Gaming OC 24GB
PSU: Seasonic Prime PX-850 Platinum 850W
Storage: Samsung 980 PRO M.2 PCI-E Gen4 NVMe SSD 1TB
Case: Lian Li Lancool 215 Mesh A-RGB Case Black
I undervolted the 4090 by a little bit (I dont need anything more than 144 FPS so why bother wasting power on more) and it runs really well. Also means that the PSU choice will be more than enough. The 1000w recommendations are overblown IMO, especially if you slightly undervolt.
The 7950x is a beast and an amazing jump in performance for me (my old rig had a 7700K). No stability issues so far and I run pretty hard workloads as I mentioned already. If I undervolt it as well by a little bit, I can cause it to not break 80 Degrees on full load without sacrificing barely any perf (maybe 5%).
The 4090 does fit inside the case, however the power cable stops me from putting the side panel on, waiting for CableMod to release their 90 Degree adapters in the coming weeks. These adapters will allow me to bring the cable in from the bottom of the card and thus stop it from exceeding the side of the case without having to do rediculous bends etc.
@Matt Boatswain Awesome stuff.
When I finish my rebuild. With the stuff I got.
It'll be like this:
Mobo: ASrock X670E Steel Legend - Upgrade part
RAM: G.SKILL 64GB Trident Z5 Neo 6000MHz CL32-38-38-96 1.40v AMD EXPO Profile - Upgrade part
CPU: Ryzen 7950X - Upgrade part
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 SE AM4/AM5 with the 3x 140mm " Puke Brown " color fans
GPU: INNO3D RTX 3070 iCHiLL x4 - 4 fans - got this in April this year, brand new
PSU: Segotep 1250W - had this one since 2017 still works alright
Storage: 2x 1TB M.2 NVMe PCIe Gen 3
1x Intel 660P 1TB
1x Crucial P1 1TB
1x HDD 512GB Samsung from 2009 still works lol 😆
Case: an old ThermalTake Overseer RX-I with 3x 200mm case fans and 1x 140mm case fan
Monitor: Alienware 1080p 24" TN panel 240Hz refresh rate
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder V2 wired
Keyboard: Kingston HyperX Alloy Origin with Aqua Tactile mechanical switches
And I think that's all I've got.
I wonder how the RTX 3070 I have will do with the FPS in gaming paired with the 7950X
Maybe you could share your thoughts on my build.
Your's is very similar aside from the 4090 lol haha 🤣
Let us know how 64GB (4 sticks?) works out.
@@penguinbelly I only have 2 sticks (32GBx2)
Can you explain me why you need 128GB in an AM5 build?
Loved the cheeky friend request ignore there in the footage.
always enjoy your stuff Brain your one of the TECH kings with jayz two cents
I did not managed to get my 1st amd build posting with more than 1 dimm installed, not even at stock settings - solid dram all the time for over 1h, regardless which bios I tried. Only posting with 1 on A2(each of both). Mainboard and RAM went back, but I still have no clue what the issue is. RAM was on supported list form gigabyte, but not on amd's lists. 1 socket pin looked way longer than the others. b650e elite x ax ice with an trident z5 64GB kit(F5-6000J3040G32GX2-TZ5RS) - 7800x3d. No clue what the issue is- - Is the the combo or a broken board... or the cpu mem controller??? so annoying when just wanna game😑
i am a bit confused why should the ammount of layers from a PCB make it better?
and i dont really get why you shouldnt bhuy a gen 5 nvme? the speeds are btter and oyu just need a cooler + most of them come with one anyways
Will this apply to the 7950x on the MSI Carbon WiFi?
I sure hope so, I'm getting this bad boy this week. And the feature set of that MSI is vastly superior to all other brands at the $500 price point (except the ASUS ProArt if you need 10G Ethernet and USB4), notably the PCIe slots are awesome (you get 8x8x from CPU and an extra full x4 from chipset but not shared with anything).
So the difference between first gen R7K at range 17 to 27 power stages says the power of AM5 compatible processors will increase? For those CPU upgrading over time? Less optimization for power and performance? mb
Power delivery is going to 230 watts so dense Ryzen 7k processors can have a 170-watt TDP. Those 80 cent Vishay power chips could cost a builder up $21.6o / plus other components in the chain, per board. I don't know if the metal of CPU is harmed by heat-cycles, but I suspect not. All that latent heat probably takes out something less critical; say USB. Tuning?, everything is set to open-throttle like a racer-car with full Turbo'ing speed. And that's where we're at, at this point in the pandemic -"put your money down and take your chances". Cheers Mike!
@@SISSYPUSS I'm very happy with my x570S AM4 platform (complete PC kit build at run end pricclale prices July 2022 and purposely got off the tech train at 7 nm on all sorts of power, board and transistor endurance unknowns.
@@mikebruzzone9570 I believe X570's are very durable and should last a long time, mine is older than yours but hasn't had any problems, it runs really well.
@@SISSYPUSS Thanks for the note. mb
Too late. Already bought an X670E board. But it's because $100 off the price during the Black Friday sale. Haven't got the CPU yet tho. Going for the 7700X.
My goal is a 7700X on an Asrock B650m PG Riptide (non-wifi). I simply don't need more than that. Have you done an in depth review of that board yet? It's Asrock's least expensive motherboard and it keeps selling out. Right now it's backordered. So it's obviously a hot seller. I'd love to know if it's a dud or not. Anyway, I've watched many Asrock motherboard unboxings, but you're the first I've seen do actual testing. Thank you. I'm a bit of an Asrock fan.
Having Wi-Fi comes in handy sometimes.
@@penguinbelly I don't need it, and I have zero reason to pay $20 more for a Useless, _To Me_ , feature.
It's probably no dud.This is Bryan's video review for the B650 Riptide, but honestly I would get a Aorus Pro AX, a Strix or an MSI for about the same money. AsRock just cuts corners on these budget boards. Take care!
ua-cam.com/video/ApIoOJoDSWQ/v-deo.html
@@SISSYPUSS those other board is pricier around the world although for american is just few bucks more
@@penguinbelly he obviously use cable connection. Another thing is wifi adapter is cheap nowadays
I got the ASrock X670E Steel Legend cause I thought it's better than the PRO RS. Have I made a mistake?
U did not all of them are fine lol
Instructions unclear - Ended up buying an HD 7950 instead.
Welp. Time to install Windows XP.
Question: This DDR5 6000 limit is on the CPU side and not on the chip itself?
I hope that future ZEN CPUs supported by AM5 socket and today's motherboards will not be also limited to 6000 if we already have way faster modules Intel can utilize.
7700x + mATX MoBo with PCIe 5 and M.2 5 is my way to go but I will wait because the prices of the platform right now are just ridiculous even on B650E
Could you please make a video about BIOS undervolting, setting the power limit, and temp limit using different manufacturers (Asrock, Gigabyte, Asus, etc). Mostly interested in Asrock.
Fortunately x3d does not require faster ram to extract the performance. X3d with ddr 6000 will be equivalent to 14th gen Intel with ddr 8000. I do wonder if zen 5 will be somewhat slower than zen4 x3d just like 7700x loses in a couple scenarios vs 5800x3d. The x3d technology is quite interesting but I personally would prefer a CPU that is faster in all situations that CPU that is super fast in some situations.
DDR5 6000 is already 800MT/s faster than the officially supported DDR5 5200. When he used 4 sticks at 4800MT/s, he was running 1200MT/s over the officially supported 3600MT/s.
Even Raptor Lake only officially supports DDR5 5600. We will just have to see how official support improves over time. But, generational increases matter much more for performance than RAM speeds. You can also get lower latency RAM at a given speed to help performance.
Zen 4 being the first Zen on DDR5 has weak IMCs, integrated memory controllers, just like 12th gen Intel did
@@ij6708is 13th gen any better?
@@skyman1883 Much better 13th gen can easily run 7000MT/s and up, whereas on 12th gen it's very hard to impossible
A plug for Ryzen 7000 - One of my games, Jedi: Fallen Order, still stutters with a R5 5600X, per tests uploaded to UA-cam. The FPS also often drops to 80.
A 7600X rarely drops to 120FPS. If you have a higher refresh rate monitor and a GPU that can keep up, a Ryzen 7000 seems really worth the extra few hundred USD.
I just ordered a R5 5600, and I am wondering if I made a mistake, spending $1300 on a dead-end platform when $1650 would have gotten me a nice, fresh platform with a CPU that truly satisfies.
JMHO but the 5800X3D helps take care of those frame dips, I just got one and retired my 8700k. It flat out FIXES 95% of the janky BS in most of these poorly optimized games. HEAVILY modded Minecraft Java Edition holds 100fps SOLID now. 7Days to Die (10 years of Alpha) stays damn near up around 144 fps with everything cranked on my 3080. I'm excited to see what the 7000 series X3D chips bring to the table but they will probobly be very expensive plus I am good for several years now.
@@yurimodin7333
That would cost $200 more than what I paid. Just $150 more would have gotten me the new platform. If I already had AM4, amazing! But, for a new system, it isn't such a good buy.
-The modded Minecraft figures are much appreciated. Minecraft can be so demanding, but performance data is hard to find.
It's not that simple 150-200$ is a difference between a rx6700xt and rx6800xt. That difference is massive and you are not in a territory where you are going to be bottlenecked by your cpu if you are playing at 1440p( if you aren't you really should be 😆) . Buying a new platform is wise but might not be the best choice as the budget you have could be allocated better and offer better experience today!
@@wanderer7779
That is true. I have a 3440x1440 100Hz display, which the RTX 3070 is well-suited for, and the 5600 gets +100FPS in most things, dipping into 80FPS at times.
Edit: I want nVidia for Optix, unfortunately when it comes to gaming value.
@@Austin1990 You are running a high resolution monitor your 5600 shouldn't be a problem for that ultra wide especially it being only 100hz. I'd say it was a good choice after reading the additional information you provided. I don't really know what optix is i assume something to do with ray tracing. But if wasn't for that AMD currently is way better value. The day i start looking at Ray tracing performance is when i max out a 2560x1440 27 inch 240hz screen preferably oled which i don't even own lol. Anything under 100 fps I'll turn down the settings down my gaming PC ruined me for consoles the day after i experienced 144hz i had my Ps4 pro listed for sale in couldn't force myself to play at that low fps.
issue with b650 is that where I'm from the cheapest ones cost as much as a 7600x. So anything higher class than that scales even worse with price
Weird because in my country ASRock PG riptide is MYR 899 ($149.90) while 7600x is MYR 1399 ($299)
i ended up getting the x670e steel legend from asrock and the 6000 cl30 ram kit from G.skill. i think ill try tuning it eventually but i wanna do research first of course
How it's going so far?
@@gezimlimoni2319 its been rough not gonna lie, the ethernet randomly disconnects on the motherboard at times, its a known issue that hasnt been resolved yet so no way to fix it. also with the set up since a lot of the connections are on the bottom some of wires were difficult to connect to be honest.
That's not good, it was my top choice,,,now I really don't know what to get,,,any suggestions man,,,, thanks for your reply!
I expected amd to work on the memory controller. Ryzen 5000 series was really finicky regards to memory choices. My 5950x had a tough with even a 3600 cl16 memory.
You must have been very unlucky 😅 I've built a lot of Ryzen 5000 PC's just not with the 5950X and none of them had an issue with 3600Mhz memory 😜
yep my 5950x was actually "slightly" unstable with my 4x16gb bdie, quad rank kit running at cl 14 @3200mhz. I needed to relax my primary timings to c16/15/15/15 to be 100% stable, good thing that it only reduced about ~2% of gaming performance in cpu limited scenario (far cry 6 at 1080p with rtx3090) and less than 1% in memory intensive synthetic 3dmark timespy cpu test.
When i heard from tech yes city that with 4 sticks platform couldnt even boot at 5200mhz its a massive OOF
@@adi6293 same. Built a handful of Ryzen 5000 PCs and all of them did 3800mhz 1:1. Some needed a tad more VDDG voltage but that's it.
@@adi6293 it makes massive difference if you have 2 or 4 sticks of memory, memory ranks also put additional strain on mem controller. Im guessing all your built systems were with dual kit config?
@@h1tzzYT It was a mixture of either 2 x 8GB or 4 x 8GB, CL14 - CL18
Ryzens memory controller is a bit finicky and for good reason. You really don't need 6000+mhz for ram and the speeds while on paper look impressive in actual use the story changes drastically. Even for video content creators those high speeds show little impact for the added stress to expensive components. While intel CPU will let you fry your CPU MC, Ryzen will go to a no boot method in order to prevent damage. Do a test with 6k mhz and 4k mhz to see what you actually gain for the risks. It's money down the toilet like crazy high end GPUs that offer little jumps in performance for huge price margins.
Suggestion: maybe get "Taichi" into the title, so that I would find this video later if I'm looking at their mobos.
Why is the discord link not working
What u think ¿ROG STRIX B650E-F GAMING WIFI or ROG STRIX X670E-F GAMING WIFI?
What happened to the days of the best mobos costing less than the best cpus?
Cost increased around the world because of oil price.
why should 1,4v be too much?
older DDR3 and DDR4 running at 1,35v - was also no problem... or is DDR5 in this sense different?
Because CPU today use more volts and it might stress your board.
Run my ram at 6200/cl30@1.38V b650e Aorus master and 7950x