Draupadi 'Vastraharan' did not happen! A case study: Part 1

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  • @Goosebear77
    @Goosebear77 Рік тому +22

    I have a feeling that this could be an allegory of some sort. Much like the Churning of the Milky Ocean may be an allegory for Precession. I can't wait for the next part. Thank you Mr Oak.

    • @Goosebear77
      @Goosebear77 Рік тому

      @@bmjb1726 Thank you for the information.

    • @Batega_toh_Katega_Hindu_108
      @Batega_toh_Katega_Hindu_108 Рік тому

      provide verse no instead of making fun of your imaginary event@@bmjb1726

    • @charansai2476
      @charansai2476 6 місяців тому

      🤦🤦 why you want to take interpret stories of earth to cosmos?

    • @himanshusojitra1
      @himanshusojitra1 3 місяці тому

      Your pronounciation for Dyuta is not correct... correct is द्युत

  • @pkk5830
    @pkk5830 Рік тому +9

    It is very worthy of listening from spiritual genius oak sir..thanks sir

  • @aparnasharma2324
    @aparnasharma2324 Рік тому +12

    There are so many strange unexplained events in all the puranas , Ramayan and mahabharat also.we need more scholars for proper guidance. Thank you Nilesh ji.

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  Рік тому +4

      Thank you. Stay tuned as this series progresses.

  • @praveendharwadkar3428
    @praveendharwadkar3428 9 місяців тому +1

    Very great Guru ji 🙏

  • @amidave2153
    @amidave2153 Рік тому +1

    Nilesh ji..first time i came accorose your talk on sattology...and my life takes a turn..questions of ramayan and mahabharat from my childhood apearing again and now i m in derection of that searching correct answers...thank you so much..dhanyawad...u made me learn sanskrut..and study our itihaas on our own..i m happy that i can pass correct knowledge to my chiled and hope fully she add more in it and so on..

  • @Jeeth108
    @Jeeth108 Рік тому +6

    🙏Namaskar dr Oak ji.....Thank you for the video....I really liked the presentation....Hope everyone has a blessed Diwali....Namaskar from South Africa 🇿🇦 🙏🙏

  • @IndrajithNaidu
    @IndrajithNaidu Рік тому +6

    Nilesh ji when you get time can you make a series on manusmriti

  • @madhusudhanavedantam726
    @madhusudhanavedantam726 Рік тому

    Sir, very surprised with your prompt response. So nice of you.

  • @drifter9518
    @drifter9518 Рік тому +2

    Wish you too a happy and prosperous diwali🙏

  • @puruslive1736
    @puruslive1736 Рік тому +5

    ❤️❤️❤️love from Toronto

  • @anjaneyamarut868
    @anjaneyamarut868 Рік тому +21

    Nileshji, can the Kaam in Purushartha actually stand for Karma? It gives a different dimension to the meaning of Purushartha as Dharma-Artha-Karma-Moksha.
    Step1: Dharma is supreme.
    Step2: Understand the Artha (meaning) of Dharma
    Step3: Orient your Karma (actions) towards Dharma based on this understanding
    Step4: Once your Karma is oriented towards Dharma, it will lead you to Moksha.
    Isn't this also what Shri Krishna says to Arjun?
    Would love to hear your answer if you read this question. 🙏

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  Рік тому +9

      Namaskar
      You have given a beautiful and elegant interpretation of 4 purusharthas.

    • @rebornIndian
      @rebornIndian Рік тому +1

      This is exactly what I understood from my childhood, is there any other meaning to it ?

    • @amidave2153
      @amidave2153 Рік тому +4

      Everyone should learn sanskrut...the word itself tells the mining..no further elaboration needed...dharma =duty, Arth= wealth, Kaam = desire, moksh= liberation. Even it's sequence is very important..it is again related with 4 aashram vyavastha.. Brahmachrya, gruhasth, vanprasth, sanyaas ..first gain gyaan (Brahma) do duty accordingly second gain welth according to dharma, now third loos all the desire of self according to dharma, and forth automatically u achive moksh...dhanyawad

    • @anjaneyamarut868
      @anjaneyamarut868 Рік тому

      @@amidave2153 Namaskar Amiji. Shubh Dipawali. I wish you all the best in your journey of learning Sanskrut, it is a wonderful quest. My connection with Saunskrut probably began in my previous human lives and in this life has continued for over 50 years now. One cannot grasp the depths of Saunskrut in one life time.
      Some minor comments to what you have written. There is no concept of a "word" in Saunskrut. Word is a modern English term. Saunskrut originated with "sound", AUM obviously being the Pranava or primal sound. This is also why for millennia it was transmitted orally and not written down. Only oral transmission captures the sound, written text does not. Even the pronunciation can alter the meaning. The first sounds emerged from the Damru of Mahadeva. These are called Maheshwara Sutrani. Maharishi Panini took the base of the Maheshwar Sutrani, and then arranged them in his Ashtadhyayi. This is what we today refer to as the Varnamala or Saunskrut grammar.
      The "sound" Purusha first appears in the Hrugveda Samhita in the Purushasuktam. In this suktam, Purusha is a reference to THE cosmic being. This is who we today devotedly personify and worship as Shiva. Hrugveda, as you may know, is "probably" the oldest of the Saunskrut texts. Chronologically Ramayan and Mahabharat happened later and this is where the "sound" Purushartha appears. The suktam is the baseline theory and artha is the meaning or explanation of that theory. Instead of interpreting it as man's quest for attaining material wealth and material desire, which has nothing to do with Shiva or Purusha, rather reorient your thoughts that it is finding the true meaning of the path that leads you to Shiva or Purusha, which is through Dharma. 🙏

  • @deepasinghal4729
    @deepasinghal4729 Рік тому +6

    So vastraharan happened, wrong title

  • @kaskay2652
    @kaskay2652 Рік тому +1

    You have explained so well and this will definitely change the outlook towards our Itihasa. I hope we will able to see truth though made up stories come forward. Thank you Nileshji!

  • @poetryfromheart1490
    @poetryfromheart1490 2 місяці тому

    What is Mr. Nilesh Oak's Take on Ashwatthama Episode ? What is his take on Chiranjeevi Hanuman and Ashwatthama ?

  • @beenamenon6749
    @beenamenon6749 8 місяців тому

    There are metaphors and symbolism - ways to express the bad, worse, and the absolute worst happened. If we're sensitive to understand the layers of meaning, we're all set to understand and learn from the epics - because, there certainly are learning points - of how to be, how not to be..what to choose and what not to choose - in Dharma. Choosing dharma over adharma.

  • @goutamshetti9885
    @goutamshetti9885 2 місяці тому

    Sir the details mentioned in all these references are not all that has happened in those incidents in those days
    Unless the details mentioned in the references are considered as word to word Transcriptions
    I always wonder how can someone say so surely as if they stood right next to them while the incidents / conversations are happening.

  • @padmashree43
    @padmashree43 Рік тому +1

    Happy and prosperous Deepawali Nileshji 🙏

  • @rakeshtiwari1857
    @rakeshtiwari1857 Рік тому

    @NileshOak ji, I would like to read and interpret the Ramayan & Mahabharat from original Sanskrit text. However I find myself lacking the required Sanskrit language skill. May I request you to guide me where do I start and what is the optimal path to that level of Sanskrit knowledge. This question may have been asked before, and you may have traversed this path, hence the question Thank you in advance.💐🙏

  • @IAmIndraTheGod
    @IAmIndraTheGod Рік тому +5

    Many things mentioned in Mahabharat and Ramayan were literally figure of speech. Down the generations since this is thousands of years old, people have simply taken these figure of speech literally.
    For example-
    1. Hanuman lifting mountain
    2. Krishna lifting mountain
    3. Hanuman gulping up sun in childhood.

    • @Batega_toh_Katega_Hindu_108
      @Batega_toh_Katega_Hindu_108 Рік тому +4

      That is your opinion not fact. fact is it's mentioned in the itihasa (this is how it happened) in history book Mahabharata 5000 years ago. our opinions if are against facts then those opinions and arguemtns are wasted. we will never know the truth as observable fact from the past. maybe there is god and he is omnipotent to incarnate and do all these. if he is not omnipotent then he is not god. according to these book there is god and he is omnipotent. logic only has 2 options in this situation either give up and accept the textual evidence as truth or skip these unsolvable questions as mysteries and move ahead.

  • @amidave2153
    @amidave2153 Рік тому +2

    Very nice case study...after this please make another case study on is draupadi wife of yudhisthir? Or of all five brother ?? Because with five brother this condition I m not digesting...so if possible please do...dhanyawad

    • @soulflower2021
      @soulflower2021 6 місяців тому

      Why are you all even bothered by it ?

  • @anirbanshow4907
    @anirbanshow4907 9 місяців тому +1

    If you have skipped telling to read repeatedly then the length of the video have been halved.

  • @bijaltulsidas
    @bijaltulsidas 9 місяців тому

    In Pop culture, based on BR Chopra’s Mahabharata, we already know that the vastraharan did not happen - thanks to Krishna’s grace but only an attempt was made. What’s new?

  • @SakshiSaa
    @SakshiSaa Рік тому

    Sir but the sloka धर्मार्थ-काम-मोक्षाणाम्, उपदेश-समन्वितम् पूर्व-वृत्त-कथा-युक्तम् इतिहासं प्रचक्षते , is from Brihad Bhagavatamitra which was written in 16th century

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  Рік тому +1

      Yes. And why is that a problem?

  • @drmridulapandit
    @drmridulapandit 10 місяців тому

    Please apki books Amazon me available abhi nahi hai kab Tak mil payegi।

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  10 місяців тому

      If you are in India, you can order from Subbu publications. Com

  • @ragav747
    @ragav747 6 місяців тому +1

    one thing is for certain, the yadavas even after 12,209 years havent learnt to respect women😮

  • @Samp50
    @Samp50 Рік тому +1

    Both Kunti and Gandhari were very stron women, I don't think they would have allowed such humiliation of Draupadi, secondly the excuses given for inaction by Bhishma, Dronacharya, Vidur, etc are very feeble..

  • @vamg5254
    @vamg5254 Рік тому

    I remember it was something like it was her female nature protected her.. miracles can’t be taken seriously right.. like SriKrishna can’t lift the mountain, it must be like he became “protector of the area” by merging with Narayana consciousness(enlightened) on top of that mountain.. that too single pinky finger???… so what i read indicates something bloody floor from her PMS must have happened.. & no body can touch her in that state..

  • @filmeria
    @filmeria 10 місяців тому +8

    You need to cut the repetition of the point. Listeners who are plugged in, on such a subject are already of higher IQ, we don't need one idea to be presented in 3-4 angles . dissection of the scene is required but repetition of it 3-4 times gives it sense of soap opera scenes, where the story is stretched just to prolong it, suffice it into several episodes.

    • @RK-dp5ey
      @RK-dp5ey 9 місяців тому +1

      Well said

  • @eshwarswaminathan3031
    @eshwarswaminathan3031 Рік тому +1

    Best wishes for your views

  • @puruslive1736
    @puruslive1736 Рік тому +1

    Happy diwali 🪔

  • @dipalmehta4313
    @dipalmehta4313 Рік тому +1

    Why did u mention a title such.. I don't understand.. U r justifying what we seen in t v serials.. 😊😅..anyways good.. Waiting for 2 nd part..

  • @drmridulapandit
    @drmridulapandit 10 місяців тому

    Apka bahut aabhar apne itna shram sadhy kary Kiya hai

  • @sanjivmalkan8381
    @sanjivmalkan8381 Рік тому +10

    What is the point of all this? BR Chopra’s Mahabharata is for mass audience so many of the events were dramatized for entertainment purpose. Vastraharan did take place, but not as dramatic or sensational as we have seen on TV or film. That is all.

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  Рік тому +16

      Namaskar
      Watch my other videos and/or read my books and blogs to see the point of all that I do.

  • @oxo-one
    @oxo-one 10 місяців тому

    What do you think stopped Dusshasana and made him sit down?

    Bro, there is no response for what didn't happen. 🌝 I think this interpolation is made to justify the death of the character of Karna _also called Vhrisha.

  • @Anbncn
    @Anbncn 8 місяців тому

    Is it pratikami or praptikami ?

    • @amazingcalvin
      @amazingcalvin 8 місяців тому +1

      I have C. Rajagopalachari's short english translated version of Mahabharat and it says "Prathikami" and he is also described as Duryodhana's charioteer, which can make sense because charioteers can always be present in the court where their masters are present so that they can be ready to obey their master's command at any time to set out to travel in the chariot.

  • @krishnanchilakapati3828
    @krishnanchilakapati3828 9 місяців тому

    Sir, u have immense knowledge, but here let us analyse the other way, yudishtar don't want war with anybody and he was ready to forego his kingdom, and here u pls note he is with tatva guna, and lord Krishna says when he comes for mediation that if yudishtara gets angry no fighting is necessary just his anger will kill anybody, and secondly yudishtar was not a gambler as said, he dont know how to play dice, several tv serials and pictures portrayed yudishtar like that. Further yudishtar was great of all others almost equal to bhishma or vidhur in knowledge.

  • @shwetasinghnm
    @shwetasinghnm Рік тому

    Even if it did, what's the problem? There were bad people and mistakes made in all yugas. Why trying to rewrite everything to show some kind of perfection in ithihasa. After all it's a human story of human history. Why be bothered trying to revise itihhasa? People are denying Sita's agnipariksha too so that they can defend Ram as perfect. But why? Why should an avatar be perfect or why should these stories about their lives be perfect? Avatars after all have a human form which is an epitome of imperfection. Shri Ram came as a human being to experience the trials and tribulations of human life with its foibles. If he needed to be perfect, he neednt have had a human life and could have taken a disembodied Vishnu avatar.

  • @HarshadKocharekar
    @HarshadKocharekar Рік тому +1

    🙏🏽🚩🪔🛕🪔🚩🙏🏽

  • @bhagwanmishra7243
    @bhagwanmishra7243 Рік тому

    It seems that to show the devinity of lord Krishna,this apisode might have been inserted later because King yudhisthir was not a foolish.When he himself was defeated in gambling and became das slave how he can wet draupadi? Any way every war on this earth was faught for woman booty or land.

  • @drmridulapandit
    @drmridulapandit 10 місяців тому

    परम आदरणीय आपकी किताब या इस प्रकार के प्रमुख विषय को मॉस में जाना आवश्यक है जैसे रामचरित मानस की मध्यकालीन काल में सनातन धर्म को बचाने में बड़ी भूमिका रही है । भजन मण्डलियो के द्वारा नायनार आतवार संत दाक्षिण भारत से उत्तर भारत में आम नागरिक भारत को उद्वेलित प्रेरित किया सो इस पर कुछ विचार करिए ।

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  10 місяців тому +2

      My books are available on Subbu publications. Com, Amazon and also via bookganga.

  • @unbeastable957
    @unbeastable957 Рік тому +2

    So where did they get this story from?

  • @akshaykulkarni5691
    @akshaykulkarni5691 Рік тому +1

    Yes. It did not happen..it was only attempted.

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  Рік тому

      Correct.
      And what do you think stopped Dusshasan and made him sit down?

    • @akshaykulkarni5691
      @akshaykulkarni5691 Рік тому

      @@NileshOak He was exhausted. Thats what I know. Bhagawan defeated his effort to disrobe Draupati.

    • @oxo-one
      @oxo-one 10 місяців тому

      ​@@NileshOak
      What do you think stopped Dusshasana and made him sit down?

      Bro, there is no response for what didn't happen. 🌝 I think this interpolation is made to justify the death of the character of Karna _also called Vhrisha.

  • @madhusudhanavedantam726
    @madhusudhanavedantam726 Рік тому

    Yes, Dussasana didn't succeed in disrobing Draupadi. But I understand that initially Draupadi tried to defend herself but couldn't and finally prayed to Lord Krishna. Though Lord Krishna is omnipresent, didn't save Draupadi till the moment she gave up completely and prayed for Him.

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  Рік тому

      Namaskar
      Please watch all the episodes in this series.

  • @ranapratapsingh3416
    @ranapratapsingh3416 Рік тому

    Whatever has happened to Draupadi is wrong.

  • @Englishliteraturestudyforyou
    @Englishliteraturestudyforyou Рік тому +3

    Maybe you're making up things to dissaprove the text which has been passed on for centuries, & according to the previous younger drayas event the ramayan date not match , and the most needed question how old are the yugas , you're just skipping this question , How old is kaliyug then and is kali yug again repeated continuously 2 times , since 12200- 5500 bce =6,700 dwapar yug age , and 5500 +2023= 7,523 kali yug age is greater than dwapar ?

    • @ManOfSteel1
      @ManOfSteel1 Рік тому +1

      this is the way of rss. they distort history not convey it.

    • @PremSingh-ev4mo
      @PremSingh-ev4mo Рік тому +3

      Maybe you have been brainwashed for centuries don't learn from Congress dynasty family

    • @ManOfSteel1
      @ManOfSteel1 Рік тому +1

      @@PremSingh-ev4mo yea right as if your existence hold any value rss stooch. 5kg anaj aur 25paisa per comment ye teri kemat hai

    • @gargsamyt
      @gargsamyt Рік тому

      Not sure what yuga theory has to do with the topic of this video? if you disagree with his thesis, then tell us with which points you disagree and why.

    • @aniruddhbahuguna5462
      @aniruddhbahuguna5462 Рік тому

      It is true. Look old sculptures

  • @jayapatil6869
    @jayapatil6869 9 місяців тому

    Who actually wrote Mahabharata and in which script. You say Mahabharata is 70000 years

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  9 місяців тому

      Read my books for the answers and for correcting the misunderstanding.

    • @amazingcalvin
      @amazingcalvin 8 місяців тому +1

      Most likely the first and foremost written copy of Mahabharat was written by Lord Ganesha with his tusk as a pen, while Maharishi Vyasa narrated the verses to him. And the script is obviously Devanagari since the language written was in Sanskrit. For the timeline, I don't think Nilesh says that it is 70000 years old. It might be 7000+ years old given that Nilesh provides the date of the first day of Kurukshetra war to be 16th October 5561 BCE based on the astronomical hints given in the Mahabharat when the war started. This date based on astronomical references is something he provides in another video.

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  8 місяців тому

      @@amazingcalvin Namaskar and Thank you.
      BTW, the script won't be Devanagari (very likely) but that is irrelevant.
      Again, Ganesha writing could be a metaphor and hagiographic addition, again irrelvant.

  • @rajendrakulkarni1309
    @rajendrakulkarni1309 Рік тому +2

    Nilesh yes you have good knowledge But asking 20 times to go and read the original edition looks arrogant and redundant. It looks like you want tell people you don’t know this. Don’t insult your listeners boss

    • @IndrajithNaidu
      @IndrajithNaidu Рік тому +7

      I think you are a little arrogant that's the problem

    • @Scorpionsoull
      @Scorpionsoull Рік тому +4

      He is right to say that. . people ask question without reading Mahabharata themselves.. I don't feel it's wrong anyway... He is just very straight forward

  • @VijayRana78
    @VijayRana78 Рік тому +2

    What is the point of saying that *"Vastraharan"* did not happen after explaining whole incident yourself 😂 except to draw viewers 😂. Good idea to increase views. ❤😉😘

  • @PranavGAsterixObelix
    @PranavGAsterixObelix 8 місяців тому

    Lost interest due to non interesting presentation.

  • @jaisingh2818rama
    @jaisingh2818rama Рік тому

    Sorry Nilesh, you are wrong. Please do not extend your logic to actual happenings. I follow your logic and do appreciate your work but not your intention.
    One question how often do the Astronomical events occur again and again. Say the planetary line up for Ram Janam. Does it happen every 65,000 years or longer.

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  Рік тому

      Namaskar
      What appears to be my intention as you understand it?

  • @marymurphysinha9370
    @marymurphysinha9370 Рік тому

    And another big misconception is that 5 husband's of Draupadi ji. Actually Draupadi ji's husband is one and only Dharmraj Yudhishthir.

    • @Batega_toh_Katega_Hindu_108
      @Batega_toh_Katega_Hindu_108 Рік тому +1

      provide verse number not opinion.

    • @daksh6388
      @daksh6388 Рік тому

      She did married five of them and yudhishthir was the one to prove that it's a valid marriage. Why would she marry yudhishthir alone when Arjuna was the one to win the competition.

  • @sonarbangla8711
    @sonarbangla8711 Рік тому

    The Mahabharata was first composed as a 8000 slokas, then it was enlarged to 32000 (?) slokas and finally after the Kurukshetra war it was enlarged finally to 100,000 slokas, when lots of manipulations took place, insulting the imperial Yadava tribe, criticizing them for greed and lust for power etc. Draupadi's Vastraharan is just a part of the diminishing effect to which the Yadava were treated in addition to insulting Krishna and Arjun and replacing the Sanatan religion with Semitic Hinduism by the Kuru (Turks) led by the Babylonians. In short superior Indian theology was manipulated to break the Indian spine from which the Indians never recovered.
    That this Vastraharan didn't happen is part of the conspiracy by those who protect the Kuru/Hinduism against Sanatan by BJP/RSS promoting Hindutya.

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  Рік тому +1

      Namaskar
      Who is blurting out such stupid stuff?

    • @sonarbangla8711
      @sonarbangla8711 Рік тому

      Ask Mamta who defeated Modi/BJP/RSS and restored Puranic Goddess Durga and debunked Rama (Ramses II)@@NileshOak

    • @Batega_toh_Katega_Hindu_108
      @Batega_toh_Katega_Hindu_108 Рік тому

      New laws must be passed in India and across the globe that those who misuse the religious verses to spread their anti-dharmic opinions and political agendas/propagandas must be banned from the land to some island where all criminals will stay together in a prison in their stupid fantasy imaginary world for rest of their lifes.

    • @rakeshtiwari1857
      @rakeshtiwari1857 Рік тому

      ​@@sonarbangla8711pls keep politics away from scholerly work of Nilesh Ji. Arguments and counter arguments must happen with facts and reasoning only.

    • @sonarbangla8711
      @sonarbangla8711 Рік тому

      Why are Indians scared to face the facts and reasonings of the Kuru destroying the Yadava and massacring woman and children fleeing after the Kurukshetra war, why does the Indians abandon superior theology of Krishna's Sanatan religion and replace it with Semitic Hinduism? Why manipulate Indian scriptures to distort reality?@@rakeshtiwari1857

  • @AmitPyne-h3s
    @AmitPyne-h3s 2 місяці тому

    Mahabharat is a trash. I reject Mahabharat

    • @harilakshmi00
      @harilakshmi00 2 місяці тому

      I feel you..but I'm so sorry that u couldn't understand its essence... Try reading Bharathaparyadam by Kuttikrishna marar once,a study of Mahabharata

  • @AlokKumar-gu7jd
    @AlokKumar-gu7jd Рік тому

    Ek tum log ho ki sab script chizo ko idhar udhar kar rahe ho ..