Down here in South Florida, I own multiple properties. I’ve tested many of these off brands, as I own 10 mini splits. The premium brand is pretty good, I have two that are going on 7 years! Midea also sells parts now. But the most important thing to consider, I get these 12k units installed for $600-$750 materials and labor. If I were to go with an LG, Mitsubishi etc, the cost would be $2,000-$3,000 installed. I can burn through 3-5 of the less expensive units before ever coming to those numbers. Being in South Florida, I’ve had one unit with a Goodman top of the line mini split, next door to a Premium and they both cooled the same. I’ve installed them myself a couple of times as well, but it’s not worth saving $250-$300 to do all that work, in my opinion. Anyhow, just sharing my experience over the past 10 years running 10 units all day everyday. Cheers
Chris, thanks for information as I'm in the Tamap area looking for a DIY mini split. I had a guy quote me $4800 for a Mishibishu/LG 12000kw. So, I'm back looking at MR Cool, but their warranty is only 5/7, what do think is best way to go for a DIY or if you know a good "fair" installer in SW Florida? Dave
@@dcc2444 At $750 you could install 6 if the cheap ones lol. These AC guys that want to sell you the most expensive ones, they don’t care about your money, they just want to sell you the best most expensive unit. Makes zero sense.
I Have a HVAC tech degree. Most heating is so basic and really any one with a little knowledge can install. Diagnosis is the skill . Most of those warranty are crap in the end. I own rentals and every time its a bs answer when you actually want the warranty.
@@cuzr702 Yes and they sell thousands of them and most installed by homeowners who do a better job than the HVAC techs who want 1000's more to install them
The problem is Daikin doesn't stand behind their warranty. I am a HVAC tech. I have over 225 Daikin water source heat pumps. We had a problem with the evap coils flaking off with corrosion with in 8 months after being installed. Daikin handed us a " white paper " stating that they know about the issue but , it's the customers problem now. DAIKINS WARRANTY IS A JOKE. I will never buy a Daikin product again......
Wow. I’ve never had an issue. Daikin doesn’t even question us when I send in warranty requests. Some manufacturers will question us to high heaven and make us do tests just to get certain parts. Daikin has never asked one single question. If I tell them the part is bad, they give me the part. Your problem may be the supplier?
@@NewHVACGuide we even sent out a evap coil I personally pulled myself to a 3rd party company that specializes in condenser and evaporator coils. Wrapped it in plastic and crated it up. They inspect and lab test everything. They found that the coils were contaminated with POE oil and this broke down the factory clear protective coating and accelerated the corrosion. We literally had white flakes like snow coming out of these units... it was horrible. Daikin walked away and now there are lawyers involved....
@@NewHVACGuide I'm wondering if they don't question YOU cuz ur the "HVAC Guide FHO" guy on You Tube? know what I mean? Great info and you get good service cuz they know u talk about it here. But perhaps for the rest of the us it won't be that way. Food for thot. Maybe try it under another name or for someone else and see what happens?
I had a buddy of mine in the AC business as well has his own company had a EEV go bad right there on the phone Daikin told us to take it off the wall take it back to the supply house they gave us a claim number went to Johnstone they gave us a new one the next day install that had the customer up and running
Im an HVAC technician with over 20 years experience, the best advice i could possibly give on the topic of mini splits is two points, lineset length must be a least the minimum length the installation instructions specify for a particular system, and a good quality surge protector should always be used, these things are all inverter based power(it takes the 240 volts from you house and turns it into 300 volts+ DC to run the fan and compressor like a 3 phase). So any power fluctuations can wreak havoc on the CPU.
Purchased: August 2023 - still works GREAT!I ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxxsUnXhGsSJLim_XnMHyQK0u3XVaW-CGn live in a studio and during the summer it gets scorching hot - really old building with no ac units. I can’t express how EASY it was to install. This unit has been a life savior during the summer and some days during other seasons where it can still be a bit warm at night. In this small place is my friend, a husky, poodle mix and myself. We need AC - lolI don’t use the dehumidifier option - I’m not sure if it will leak in my house, since I did not install the small draining hose that came with it. May look into it late but I don’t worry about much humidity in the apartment. I don’t understand why the negative reviews since all things mentioned, I personally did not find issues with. Definitely worth it!
I've found the parts warranty doesn't mean crap ! The labor warranty is whats critical. Any of these companies will send you a replacement part,but when you see the cost for an hvac company to come out and replace that part,you may as well buy a whole new unit.
@@extremerecluse6548 From what I understand the cheaper ones are all made in China by one or 2 companies. So customer service is more important. I have had good luck with MR.Cool, Senville and Pioneer customer service. I only buy from places that I can physically return the item if I have intial problems.Mr.Cool is really good if you are running long lines,because the typical type (somewhat diy units) that need to be vacummed before releasing the charge,have limits on how long of linesets you can run per port. For instance I almost bought a Senville which the listing claimed a 100' of line could be run,yet that only ment 25' per port. I would have had to hire an hvac company to come out and vacuum the lines and add more refrigerant. The $1000 I would have saved with buying the Senville was now the same price (or more) than just buying a MR Cool with the lines already pre charged and ready to go.
Here in NC I installed the cheapest ebay mini split for a friend because that was all he could afford. Fast forward 4 years and it's still working. Not all affordable units are junk. The company I work for installs a lot of Gree units. 99% are great but every once in a while you get one that slipped by QC. Even the occasional Daikin is a lemon.
I got a mirage mini split I bought for 300$ in Mexico and brought it back here and it’s been working like a champ in this Texas heat .3 years old .don’t let these places fool into spending money on those expensive brands .
The lowdown is this. If you're technically competent and knowledgeable, you can self-install a mini-split you purchase online and it will perform fine (I've installed 3), AND you'll save about half of the costs. Otherwise, you need a licenced HVAC installer, who will probably require you to purchase the unit from his company, making the entire purchase/installation much more expensive. DON'T purchase online to save money and have an unqualified person do the installation.
I definitely see your side of this argument. However, there are many things to consider including refrigerant on the market that are flammable, issues that could arise from someone's experience, and low quality products being bought online. I've met just as many people saying that they installed it themselves wishing they had not
@@NewHVACGuide I can appreciate a commercial HVAC tech not wanting to repair a unit someone fudged the install of. I was only speaking for myself, as I knew my capabilities and understanding, which is why I advised NOT to go the route I took unless a qualified person was involved to install.
Not just half. I only need to Temperature Control a 630 square foot space with a single zone and all the contractors in my area are quoting *6000 dollars* when the equipment retails for around 1800. Rounding that up to 2,000 for a few odds and ends and it's 2/3rds off to do it without them. It's really sad, it's literally 2 hours of labor (in my specific case, obviously larger systems with more zones will be much more labor intensive) but they're charging an arm and a leg for it. Is it a supply chain thing? They can't get enough units to pay the bills on volume so they're stick it to the customers they can service instead?
@@priestesslucy 630 square foot? You could remove and replace a DIY 115v 10k BTU minisplit every time it fails for a few years for the price you've been quoted!
@@NewHVACGuide I can appreciate that. There's a lot of people who don't understand the underlying concepts of what they do, in all technical service sectors. I decided I wanted to be able to buy R22 which they made a licencing requirement for so I called around and found a school that was about to administer a test and they agreed to let me come take it with them for a small fee. There were guys there having been through a two year curriculum nervous as hell that they wouldn't pass. The test was three sections for three levels of license. I ripped through all three, finished first, and got the top level "universal" certificate. I've never worked in HVAC nor been to HVAC school. But I can legally work on industrial chillers. Installing pioneer mini splits for family is just another thing to do. Good video.
Can a ductless system handle New England winters? I'm in the Rhode Island area and our house has no heat at all, just space heaters. Been that way for 13 years now. The house has no gas service so it has to be an electric option. I'm laying in bed right now with about six blankets on top of me, and I'm still freezing my feet off.
@@jesseperkins4754 I have senville 30000btu 3 head units run all last month prob cost 150 vs our baseboard heaters that use to cost us 900 ...these are AWESOME
I recommend buying the cheaper mini split brands with Toshiba compressors. These units are easy to install yourself. It'll save you a lot of money. I've installed 3 units in my house and haven't had any issues for 3 years now.
I have a 12 -14 year old Samsung Vivace in the living room. At the time it was the only gloss black unit that matched the tv that my wife would allow on the wall lol. It still runs great. I think besides proper installation, installing a surge suppressor is key.
Agreed. I have been putting in $500 off brand heat pumps free for my friends and neighbors for 10 years. The State has rebate programs of $2,000 if you use their expensive installers...but we buy and install comparable units for just $500. No failures yet, and we have all saved a ton of money.
Awesome video in my case it's my bedroom management installed an air ductless AC PTAC unit.I want to know if an Booster Fan be used in an 10"x6" opening? I just want air flow into my bedroom.Its def not connected to an HVAC anymore since they pulled out the air duct system.Any help will be appreciated thank you in advance.
@@NewHVACGuide thank you I’ll try the “vent booster” since it plugs directly into a wall outlet for power…Home Depot rep said it wouldn’t work but not sure if i believe him or not
How cold should a Mitsubishi 15k blow? I have on in my 500 sq ft garage FS series and it seems to take a long time to bring temp down. It is blowing 50 degrees
Thank you> I do have a question and I have directions for how to restore connectivity (after a power outage) to Mitsubishi mini split with the MAECH1 remote controller. The problem is I don't know which button on the remote is the "connect" button. My instructions: remove remote from wall and change batteries. Take it to the unit which in my case is in a room area on the roof. Because I have more than one, I check in the small covers and find the one with the red light. That is the one that has lost connectivity. I hold the remote up to it, push "cancel" on the remote."Cancel appears to be the far left button as it faces me. There are 4 of these buttons.Then, at the same time I push "connect" on my thermostat and the white button inside the little door at the same time, and then let go. (may take several tries) MY PROBLEM is that I do not know which of the 4 buttons on the remote is "connect". To be clear about the buttons, the one on the far left says underneath it "set clock/day schedule" It also says "cancel" but that happens when changing temperature so you are going back to the set temperature. The other 3 buttons, from left to right, say "Fan", System, and More. So if I'm correct that the fr left button is the cancel button, which one is the "connect?" Golly, hope you see this and can help. Thanks
Have you noticed a quality control issues with all daiken across the board? Before covid almost all daiken equipment was pretty spot on and worked great but since covid it seems that it’s a 50/50 shot that the equipment faulty on start up? And what do you think about the daiken fit systems?
There are several good DIY units out there like Pioneer, Cooper & Hunter, Senville, and others that have decent warranty's but sadly, one of the biggest issues with failures has more to do with poor installations than poor equipment. There are too many You Tube videos that are giving poor advice on mini-split installations and the end results are, compressor, evaporator, and system failures blamed on poor quality, when in fact the issue was a very poor installation. A good example of that would be a system with; poor flares; using improper flare nuts; not using a good sealing oil like Nylog; not properly pressure testing (with nitrogen); and then not evacuating it properly using a micron gauge (pulled down to a minimum of 200 to 300 microns and held for a few minutes to ensure that there are no leaks. Instead, they just use analog gauges and cross their fingers hoping it pulled down correctly leaving no contaminants. Few DIY'er are aware that moisture left in a system because of a poorly done evacuation will mix with the refrigerants and become a highly corrosive acid that will destroy a system from within. Sure, it will run fine for a while, but for how long! And then when it fails, they'll blame the manufacturer for producing a poor product. When a system is installed, tested and evacuated properly, you can pretty much be sure there is no moisture remaining in the system, and that means a system that will most likely run fine for many years. Do your research, install it correctly, and you'll have a system that will have few if any issues. If in doubt about the problems moisture can cause in your system, check it out here; sanden.com/moisture/
Do a UA-cam indepth tutorial. You might make a lot of money of it. I want to install a mini split in my restaurant. You sound like you have great knowledge on them. Let me know if you ever decide to do a UA-cam video
@@mibz1117 Thanks for your vote of confidence but my only concern is to make sure that folks have the right information, to help them make a proper installation, that will ensure the longest life possible. It doesn't cost very much more in time or money to do it right, and in the end considering the life of the system, it's by far the least expensive installation of all.
most Pioneer, Cooper & Hunter and Senville are made by Midea so all them are the same units with minor differences or options So for heating buy the the Senville Aura arctic heat pump is your best price.Enjoy
Hi Can you tell what the gauge is supposed to read on my Bosh 5000 mini split....when it's off and does it go higher when it runs....Thanks Rick.........
so do you guys recommend the Amazon pioneer mini split system? I have a 3 car garage insulated, garage doors insulated as well, about 650sq ft with 8ft ceilings. I live in Clovis California. I was told an 180000 BTU mini split will work fine in my insulated area, or will I need more btus??. by the way do they required a license guy to install it so they can make their warranty valid just in case something happens to mini split?
Fujitsu has always been one of the bigger, ductless brands. However, due to ongoing friction between China and Taiwan, it’s believed that’s the reason Fujitsu has looked to sell the company within the past year. I would be cautious with Fujitsu for the time being. Getting parts in the future may be an issue if they are located in a war, torn country. Just something to think about.
@@NewHVACGuide lol. I’m assuming blow something into the outside pipe or get a vacuum. It’s a midea and damn thing doesn’t open. Filters just came out of the top
i got a?????? i got a premium mini split i stalled about a year a go and i think the reversing valve is bad should i save my money and fix this if i can find some to service it of buy a new unit
Need help please. I'm in lower Ohio and I am looking for with the harsh winters I'm wondering what would be your recommendation for a 2,102 Sq ft house for heating and cooling? Please let me know. Thank you.
Good video Building a 16 × 6 x 7 trailer to get home more often my parents are getting old. qustion i am going with confort..... cheap i know but codensor is smaller and lighteron for tong weight wear i am mounting. 35 year appliance tech here. What would youe personally reccomend? And still be good down the line for solar Thank you
Hi Monty, check out this other video that a guy did minisplit AC powered by a solar power system in his RV.. ua-cam.com/video/OmOkQerIITk/v-deo.html Best to you and your parents.
I'm looking for a super high efficiency mini split installed on my motorhome for use when off-grid. Do you offer 12-year warranties on mobile installations? I'm leaning toward the Blueridge 38 SEER (16.7 EER) 9,000 Btu unit but would prefer a 12k Btu unit if I could find one with over 15 EER. Batteries, solar, inverters and the rest of my system will cost many times what the mini-split costs, so efficiency is everything for my application.
I just got a premium levella mini split I’m going to put it in my single car garage so my dogs have cold air. Haven’t installed it yet, what do you think of that system?
I want a minisplit in my garage and was really wanting a Mitsubishis The installer that is redoing our entire house with Trane hurnaces/ACs units (two each) said they install Daikin. So that's good to know. I wasn't aware of that brand and just figured it was a generic one. Side question for a garage of 24x24 what size Daikin would you recommend? I'd like AC in the summer and heat in the winter.
Well, I appreciate your input, it certainly doesn’t help me down in Florida, I thought you were going to offer up some products names that were no good that you discovered in your day in and day out installation of units. Are there any that should be steered away from?
Part of the reason I didn’t do that is because that video would be 48 hours long. It would be easier to stick to talking about brands that are more common. The easiest way to know if a brand is half decent is finding a good contractor and going with the brand they recommend.
Most minisplits are one in the same. The two big brands are Mitsubishi and Daikin. But staying with a well known brand like Lennox should be fine. The problem become with some of the generic brands is finding parts and support.
@HVAC Guide For Homeowners Considering a Daikin 19 Series for a 3-sided glass elevated sunroom. 4th side is the brick exterior wall and was suggested to be the install site for the head unit. Another party warned about hanging the head unit on a home's brick exterior commenting about the level and the irregular surface potentially creating water drainage issues. Is this a valid concern being brought up or simply a scare tactic? And if valid, would a floor console-style unit be an alternative?
I’m not sure what they’re talking about. It may be a valid concern? However, we’ve installed multiple units on brick and all kinds of materials. If installed correctly, you should be happy
The reason there are so many brands is that anyone who wants to buy about two container loads from China or Korea can brand label their own units. It's a good idea to avoid these because the companies come and go and you won't get a warrantee and can't get parts when they do unless you're able to cross reference to the OEM but you'll have to pay for the parts because they won't honor the warrantee on a branded unit. The efficiency is the thing that really distinguishes the quality of a mini split because the lower eff. units run much higher pressure and compression ratios and don't seem to be made as well. I won't install anything less than a 20 SEER. Another good reference is where it's made. The Japanese invented the things and pretty much make the best units. I think Daikin is Japanese but they have a factory in Texas so it's fair to say they are one of the top of the line units but you pay a premium and in my opinion they are not THAT much better. The Chinese make some pretty good knock offs. I stay away from the Korean units and they are one of the most popular to get brand labeled they aren't really that bad. Both Trane and Carrier brand label Gree from China, or at least they use too, and you won't go wrong with them because you have a big American company behind them but you also pay extra for that. You can get the same thing with the Gree name on it and they're pretty good units for the money, but again, go for the higher efficiency models from a reputable supplier that you're confident will be there in the future.
@@mtsaz100 interesting info, they are all switching it up every few years so it's hard to keep track. Pretty sure Carrier isn't branding Gree anymore either, if they ever really were. Just saw one at the wholesaler years ago and it looked like a Gree to me at the time. They are all very similar. I've been selling Pioneer lately and trying to figure out who actually makes them.
I bought LG minisplits on clearance maybe 15 years ago. 4 dual zone systems. All but 1 has survived, although I've replaced a lot of sensors and control boards. The 1 thing these videos don't tell you is if the PARTS are available down the road for the manufacturer you choose. I "hate" the LGs BUT the parts were always available for at least 12 years, so they were salvageable for maybe $250 a year in maintenance (24K btus). Yes it's hard to find a pro to fix things. Even harder to find one that will repair rather than fix an older unit. My units are now end of life so I'm looking for new options or just going back to old faithful window units... My favorite AC tech told me something that is true, the simpler the unit is, the easier and less expensive it is to fix. The old constant spin compressors are cheap and easy to troubleshoot. The newer inverter units are much harder to keep functioning when things go south. You can still find these low budget units from Mexico and South America. Although from experience if you need quite a few units from a no name brand, you should order a few full backup units to pull parts from in the future. Just think of it as insurance.
A few years ago I got an estimate to put a single head Mitsubishi mini split in a second floor attic bedroom. I got two quotes at $5000-5500 for single head! No way I could justify the cost of that. I wound up going with a sleeve in the wall and a better quality wall mounted A/C which worked fine.
My senville units run great. I bought the more expensive version because it handles the cold better. I only paid 3.2k for a 4 head unit with 36k cooling. Really easy to install yourself if you make sure your line length matches what the main unit is pre charged for. Local companies wanted 20k dollars for a 3 head unit with half the cooling capacity. What these places charge for installation is crazy, it only took me a few days and I had no experience. They will want you to buy their specific brand and claim it’s the only one that performs well. Then sneak in another 10k in labor charges by overcharging for those units. Total rip off.
I'm considering a single head 12,000 btu Daikin unit. How do their different (SEER) product lines compare in term of reliability? e.g. if I care more about reliability & repair-ability rather than efficiency, are they (Different Daikin variants) the same?
Hey Joshua - on the Daikin systems, do you recommend running the fan in the auto position for maximum efficiency whether the unit is in cool or heat mode? I just had one of these systems installed in an in-law site above my garage that isn't used daily. Thanks!
Maximum efficiency yes, for auto. But in extreme cold weather, max fan speed is better to push the air further, so the air is more uniform across the house. It will be louder yes.
One of the biggest problems are the installers are led to believe that many of these units produce undiminished BTUs at sub zero temperatures. This misconception comes from manufacturers advertisements saying the unit works down to 22 below 0 or something similar. What they are not saying is that it has a diminishing BTU output the colder it gets. In order for these units to put out undiminished BTUs they must have a dual stage compressor. These are known as Hyper Heat, Hi Heat, or ULTRA, etc. A single stage compressor will lose close to 50% of its heat output at 0 degrees. When doing a heat load calc for a design day of 0 degrees and your heat load comes out at 24000 BTUs you need a unit that will produce 24000 on a 0 degree day not one that puts out 24000 on a 47 degree day. You would need a 3-1/2 ton unit to supply 24000 on a 0 degree day. Many installers are going to be very disappointed about their heat output when it gets close to design temps in colder regions.
I see this all the time. Companies selling standard heat pumps or non-cold-weather heat pumps to people who are going to be using these units in extreme cold temperature. If I know the heat pump is going to be used in cold weather I sell cold weather heat pumps only or nothing at all.
Yes the ability to heat goes down as temperature goes down they also burn more electricity to heat as temperature goes down.The arctic heat pump in the Senville Aura Cooper & Hunter and other named brands with this arctic compressor are still really efficient at minus 15C.The dual stage compressor made by GREE Extreme for arctic temps is really good and we are seeing some high SEER2 at 24 (according to GREE Canada) as opposed to Senville's 25.5 for a 12000BTU unit.But the SEER2 is for cooling not heating.COP for GREE is 3.8 and Midea(Senville) is 3.87.I personally know the Senville Aura 1200BTU has no problem heating my 1450SQFT house around the freezing mark even 5 below 0 efficiently.I have lots of insulation in the attic and good windows.I have not seen how the 2 stage arctic compressor works because people tend not to say which unit they have how many BTU's they have,how large their house is and how good it is insulated.I do believe the Gree units are great though based on incomplete feedback like people saying this thing heats awsome.Oh and if you wondered yes I was going to install more Aura units in my house to get more BTU's to give the one unit a break.But it was nice to put it through it's paces to see how well it performed.I will say on the coldest day this year about -8C(not including wind chill) the indoor air handler was 71C or 159.8F for you American's on here.I see one guy in winnipeg says his Aura was producing heat at -37C or -34.6F.Enjoy
OH and one more thing I disagree with your assessment of 50% at 0 degrees Celsius.My 12000BTU unit has heating range of 5000 to 15300BTU's.The non arctic compressors probably so but the arctic compressors are producing real well at -15C.I cant seem to find the charts but I have seen them and I believe it's -15C when the BTU's starting dropping faster steadily
I do not disagree that cheap systems most likely will not work as well and as long as the more name brand and expensive brands. However, could poor performance like what you were saying be due to poor install? Maybe the installer in the campground did not pull a good vacuum or something else like that
I live in Virginia so I went to your website but was confused about the cost of the "guide" is $299.00 per year. What would I receive for that amount? Can you recommend an installer near Danville? I need two single head units installed.
I have a 6 month old daikin 3 zone and it's currently not working properly, but used to run perfect (is short cycling but not low on refrigerant) and company who installed cant seem to figure it out. Any ideas?! Warranty means nothing if the installers dont know how to diagnose! 👌👏🤔🧐
We don't have a lot of them here. There's no good supplier. They're made by Parker Davis and has an okay reputation. Daikin, Fujitsu, and Mitsubishi have the best reputations.
I installed a pioneer minisplit on the back of my van (makeshift rv) only used 6 months so far but it runs great. Very very quiet, cools nice in fl. I run it off batteries through inverter with solar. I take my van down dirt roads, bumpy roads and 9000 miles of highway miles bouncing around. Still runs great. How long will it last? Beats me. It was there inverter ++ 21.5 seer one. Just under 1k. I paid to have the lines torqued, vacuumed and pressure tested. I installed the rest.
My Pioneer 18k WYS mini split had a failed compressor at just over a year old, they refused to do anything under warranty even though its supposed to have a 5 year warranty.
thanks for the info,im considering going with a couple of these to replace my 50+ yrs old AC as someone said the old type freon may be phased out and ive been fortunate that ive had a nice hvac guy help me out in his spare time with just checking coolant levels. ive done a bunch of work to the system replacing main blower motor and sensors for the thermo. and my dad replaced the main outer fan motor and i maintain it yearly to keep it in best condition i can but if the compressorr goes bad i'll probably need a complete refit from what ive read in repair forums as it'll have to go to the new type of freon.
My 3 ton Bryant package AC unit went out after a long 15 years in Tampa, Florida heat. I bought a 5,000 BTU window unit, while waiting for two eBay mini-splits. I installed them both in one day. One was an 18,000 BTU @ $660, the other a 9,000 BTU @ $590 Because I no longer loose cooling through duct work and associated :heat soak" loss, I not only get more cooler air, the units can not be heard, better efficiency, and my electric bill went down just over $100. That was four years ago, and they still work as well as when new. The window unit never gets used, I bought it new at Home Depot to tide me over until the mini-splits got here. ($99.99 on sale.)
I'm an electrician. Do you think I could install a mini split unit, wire it and then have HVAC tech come connect the lineset? If so, how would I go about purchasing the units for myself instead of through an HVAC contractor who's going to mark it up?
I lived in Mexico for a couple years, the two major grocery stores, Chedraui and Mega have dozens of different brands piled up in the isles. Homeowners buy and install them all the time. They dont vac them down, just purge with a little refrigerant and tighten the flare. They have an average lifespan of 3 to 4 years depending how much water was in the line set. POE oil creates organic acid when combined with water. They sell them cheaper than we get them wholesale so 3 or 4 years is fine with them.
@@anthonyspadafora1384 lol, that's unreal sounding to me. Both the "stacked up in a store" like we see window and portable ACs in the USA, and the cowboy installation, then just count on good-enough performance until you repeat the process.
@@mlindholm No lie, I lived in Cozumel for a year and then another year in Vera Cruz. I am a Master Plumber and a RSES certified mechanic. My specialty is high end hydronic systems. So because of my mechanical background I took a real interest in the systems used in these places when I lived there, from the desal units to the sewer systems. There are very few ducted systems and none in residential. Being honest here, once the original install is finished all the hard work is done and I can buy a 12000 btu ductless there for less than a service call here. Even here these units all specify 3 vacs broken with dry nitrogen. When was the last time you saw someone use a filter dryer on their nitrogen tank to break the vacuum? Actual refrigeration mechanics understand why this is necessary, they are not going to stand there all day and wait till the frost sublimates and we recognize that POE oil creates an organic acid when combined with moisture. Some know some don't and some just dont care. As you know there are no filter dryers on ductless so sloppy work is not tolerated for very long on these units. I could go on and on but I will spare you ,9 OUT OF 10 "mechanics" today don't even realize why we have to insulate both lines on a ductless unit, beyond sad. I just turned 60 and started building another airplane, Let the kids worry about it. lol From a cost effective viewpoint the Mexicans might be on to something!
@@mlindholm Sent you the link to the units in Chedraui. 370 bucks and you can often get them on sale for 250.00 My link has been removed twice, not sure why.
Wow Josh you give a 12-year parts and labor warranty on your Daiken That's amazing When I had my central AC put in he gave me a year and extended it to two years for labor I think the unit has a 10-year parts only through Bryant. You have a good company cuz I had nobody down in the Northeast give me that kind of a warranty and I tried!!!
I got a question I followed the link through Amazon to the daikon unit but I'm looking at the line card for the stats it says it's 230 V DC? Also I have a more generic question when you see these units with two inside units can these be operated in different rooms are they separate zones? Thanks Peace ..
Hello Sir, I have a question for you. I bought one of those off brands mini split with heatpump. TuttoKool 12K BTU 20 Seer 115v system. I installed it and it worked great. then after a thunderstorm, it quit working. After the vendor and manufacture (China) refused to answer any calls or emails, I had a local air company check it out and the confirmed it was the PCB not sending power back outside. I sent the board to Precision Electric for repair. They sent it back saying the power was good, the logic was missing. Is there a way to reprogram this? Will a universal PCB for mini splits work? the system is just now working due to no control. Hate to throw it out. Any suggestions?
@@anthonyspadafora1384 homeowners insurance doesn't cover air conditioning units that break you have to have a home warranty for that that's what you're probably thinking
With you there Jordon!. Shut down my gas furnace and replaced my central aircon. My HVAC company offered Carrier, but said they did not recommend their heat pump system. They said Mitsu was expensive but they felt more confident due to the Mitsu 50 years in the business, reputation etc. I didn't have to think long about it. I had them install the Mitsu MSZ handlers (3) last August for my 2500 sq. home. I stayed warm during the winter, cheaper then nat gas. In being honest, I had one morning that I woke up cold. It was -2 degrees and the system shut down. YES, it was 7 degrees lower then their rating, but the system made warm air again once it got to 3 above! At the time of this writing, it is my first real use of the AC system, and they are amazing! Best use of $15k I have put into my home ((O: Enjoy !
Just had a Mitsubishi installed yesterday. Forgot to ask about the owner's manual...we called the sales rep and the installers tossed them. Need to find out how to turn the unit off. Room got to 74 yesterday and depressed the too warm button. The AC kicked on...no thanks not in winter. Other than that hopefully easy to remedy problem we love it.
Appreciate this content and relevant to our situation here in PA trying decide between one contractor offering Mitsubishi and another LG both with relatively the same 12 yr warranty. Without saying no comment (please), do you have a preference?
I didn't think about a warranty. The Mr. Cool warranty seems to be much less than a pro install. But getting a pro install costs much more and takes months to schedule. I wonder if it's a wash in the end?
I was quoted $3600 for a 9k btu mini split pro install. I was able to do it myself with a Tosot including electricity, a 12k unit for about $1300. If it breaks and its no longer in warranty I still can replace the unit 2 twice. The markup on these professional installs is INSANE.
@@LDBaha the markup os nor insane. Intact, the quote you received was cheap! Business's need to male money. They need licensing, and insurance to even be allowed to work for you. They need to warranty their work. How do you find them? They PAY for advertising. There's more involved, but I think you get my point. You were able to save money et be ause you have the knowledge to do it. But, you're not held to the same standards as a contractor.
HVAC prices are insane. The mini splits are basically designed for diy. Charging 4 or 5 times over the actual cost is nuts. I will diy one, bank the change, and can redo it later if it fails. Plenty of good info on the steps required, and some specialty tools. Still only a few hundred, and ready for any service work, or to help a buddy doing one.
I work for a huge company we install Lennox and I have been installing there mini splits for a while and the other day I went to a install and it was a 5 head system that was installed by some guy installed that the home owner found somewhere and they had the system work for a couple hours and never heard from the installer again cost the home owner over 20 grand every head had condensation drains back pitched and kinks in the line sets we needed up ripping everything out and installing all new cause we can’t guarantee that after all the heads and lineset get reinstalled and recharge the whole system cause when I got there the system was empty that it would even work so he paid for a complete new system. That’s why I tell everyone don’t do it your self or hire someone that works out of the back of there car with no insurance or license cause the money you save will cost you a lot more in the long run. I have so many people that want me to install there equipment they bought cheap somewhere and I did for a while payment up front with papers signed saying I am not responsible for the equipment if it does not work and no matter what happens someone will always try and blame the installer to help themselves out. Meanwhile I have been to so many classes to learn to repair mini splits from many of the top companies and I have installed close to 600 mini split systems I know how to do my job and I take pride in it I don’t rush or skip on anything cause I would not want that done at my house I recommend that customer look at what the warranty is. The company installing the equipment and reviews for the company before agreeing on a job
Sony guts...lol Hey, what's a good price for an installed ductless system? 3 unit, 1 2 ton, and 2 1 ton units. Getting some quotes. I understand there can be some differences, but a range would be helpful?
Hi there, I have enough money to eyeball on a minisplit brand between Panasonic Climapure system or a Mitsubishi H2i system. I can't find much info out there comparing these 2 but one article states panasonic offer a 7 year warranty where as mitsubishi offer a 1 year warranty. I do like the panasonic air quality stuff but then again mitsubishi can operate in colder climate. well i'm leaning towards the panasonic as i'm buying it mainly cuz there is a freaking heat wave in california right now and also we just got sick and so air quality is quite a bonus to me here so i'm wondering if panasonics air quality might be a gimmick or not.. but colder days i'd like to have that mitsubishi h2i system functioning also the mitsubishi does have air quality protection layer as well but idk if it's as good or just as good as panasonics air quality stuff where it can override that and reap the benefit of the h2i system. what do you think? or is there a better brand? I'm trying to find Daikin atmosphera but can't find anything selling online at all, so that's out of the picture. any help appreciated. btw we live in an apartment and the ac system in here is all kinds of fked up, so i'm planning to do a custom setup on a mini split outside of a window as we live in 2nd floor. the owner is fine with nails and attachments onto the apartment as well, no hoa's. edit: on 2nd read, mitsubishi actually provide 10 year warranty not 1.
My Mitsubishi heat pump and air handlers have a three year warranty. The Panasonic and Mitsubishi units are extremely similar to one another and well built.
He said Daikin .. I got one of those. Installed it .. the installer was on the phone for hours with teck guy. Trying to get it running. Finally it was running. Few days later Were back working on it. . And back working . And working on it.. finally they removed it and installed a new system different brand.. no charge. Parts were under warranty. Labor was not. They never charged for labor.. . Daikin would not take the lemon back.
Daiken is a lower mid-range brand. They have a 12yr parts warranty, but labor is high-end. When I buy high-end I expect to get 10-15ýrs out of it with little maintaineñce. I can for advice, not for a sales pitch.
What mechanical devices do you feel make one unit better than another? Im a 40 year RSES tech so no need for fan boy subjectives. Just explain to me what parts are better and why, TXVs, motor windings, jacket gauge,inverter?
Goodman should have a class action agst them if only the customers knew how bad they are. 2yrs on inducer motor assembly, maybe 3 at best. Trane by far the least problematic in my experience. Great video!
*Love this unit! Using upstairs in my sons bedroom **Fastly.Cool** and he’s finally able to be comfortable upstairs without me freezing downstairs. Works for more sqft than expected!*
Sometimes I wonder if the reason some installers have a preferred brand they push is less because its any better and more because they more profit off a certain brand.
It's because we have had less call backs on it, seen how they're built, and know their part's lifetime. A preferred brand is less about making money, and more about getting rid of future headaches. Unfortunately, the more it costs, the better the product.
You have to define "better". Really isnt too much to these units. Two coils, 3 or 4 off the shelf sensors, An inverter that consist of a bridge rectifier, 3 phase inverter and a rotary compressor. higher seer units use an EEV and all multis use EEVs. Fan motors are off the shelf. Really havent noticed any gauge thickness in the sheet metal, Plastics are all the same, reversing valves are off the shelf items. They all have good, better ,best but that is just options not quality. They are all powder coated. We have a lot of Fujitsu fan boys in our area, they say Fujitsu is the best and I get a blank stare when I ask why. Triple vac and break with dry nitrogen and use good surge protection and they will give you the same amount of hours. Ultra heat units are where you will actually see competing compressor designs and frost sensing capabilities but these are a little different animal and relatively new.
@@anthonyspadafora1384 wow, you know your stuff......I plan to do my due diligence to choose the best for me. I plan to install it as well. I'll get the electrician to deal with the wiring but much of it I plan to do with the help of my brother. As a woman, I get super excited when I use power tools and finish my diy renovations!!
Installed 2014 Fujitsu mini split ductless heat system sounds like plane taking off upon starting and then while running sounds squeaky. Is it fan motor and fan blades?
i thought griffin air was going to be a small plane company :) am i mad buying anything like this, Telefunken TEALCE-12CHSA i need it for heating not cooling, , never goes below 40f. whats your thoughts?
Maybe someday Griffin Air may own a plane 🤣 I’m not familiar with that brand. I’d get a Daikin, Mitsubishi or Fujitsu installed by a good company and you shouldn’t have problems.
@@NewHVACGuide hi thanks for your reply :) so any of those makes and does age matter? Am I trying to find one that's newer than what and what parts fail in the different makes?
I need a 24k btu mini split for my 3 car garage (aka woodworking shop) in phoenix Arizona. What brand would you recommend? Whats the most efficient while being strong at cooling the space?
I’m just curious what worked out for you. I live outside Gilbert and looking to cool a 4 car garage for a wood shop. I got a quote from an HVAC company today nearly $10,000 for a36k single head mini split. I could buy and install a 36K Mr Cool DIY unit and if it completely failed, replace it twice without serving that much. What did you end up with and are you happy with it now that the real heat is about to be back? I’d appreciate any advice from someone in my climate.
@@iguanamanaz7264 10k? Hahahahahaha what a joke. Thats absurd for them to charge that. I did get the 24k mr cool unit and its GREAT. Easy install. Their 36k unit isnt much more expensive. Definitely do it 😁
@@TreeOfLifeWoodworking I very much appreciate the response and the encouragement. May I ask if your garage is insulated? I have insulated walls but not in the ceiling. It’s about 1100 SF with 9 foot ceiling. 2 insulated garage doors but they face the west. I’m hoping 36k will be sufficient but I guess if it’s not I could shoot some blown in insulation into the attic.
This word is gonna catch on. I'm gonna use it everyday from now on. I just hope I don't bloviate all over the place when I share my excitement for this new word.
You don’t have to waste time taking out the fan from the ac unit. All you need is an old toothbrush to clean the fan blade while still in there. Dust will fall off. Spin the blade with fingers till you reach everything.
So. You say it’s not the same stuff. My brother, who has been in HVAC for 45 years told me it is the same. Do I believe a random guy on the internet or my brother?
Read the terms most warranties are worthless if you have a 12 month parts and labor you're the best nobody has that can you install in Orlando Florida?
I had Daikin units. The bedroom unit coil leaked. Then after $1500.00 in labor charges from a 40 year air company, it didn't fix that. I got the head covered and replaced. The following year The Livingroom interior unit leaked. I think Daikin is the worst of the worst. The units were only 4 years old. They are now out of my house. Only used for AC by the way. So thats like one year of operation in NY. It gets hot 3 months of the year.
I put in lots of Daikin units never had those issues might want to check the people that installed it sounds like they hacked it in all reality all mini splits are the same they pull the heat from one area and move it to another it's just more of a preference thing with name brands they all work the same I go with the cheap ones online sometimes and I don't have any issues with him either it's all in how you install them and I stay away from Quick Connect couplings I'm perfect what can I say
As long as it's DYI at places like Lowes and Home Depot a Mr. Cool is warrantied for a few years and costs about 1/4 what a premium unit costs. You can buy 3 or more for one of the premium brands.
What use is a 12 year warranty when the gas used is no longer available. You can be sure the current gas available won’t be compatible with your old unit.
Thanks, very informative stuff. I'm looking at installing a mini split on my mobile kitchen. I keep circling back to Cooper and Hunter with a 7year compressor and 5 year parts warranty. Have you seen these in your field/area or worked with them. Thoughts on the product if you have any? I'm looking at a 12k unit regardless of brand-the unit is only 150 sqft. but has a full kitchen with a large woodfired oven as well-it was reaching temps of 109F last October. I'm in Northern NH so its pretty chilly that time of year here so cant imagine what it will be like in July etc.. So thinking I need to over size the unit to meet the needs of a very hot location?! Looking forward to some knowledgeable input if you can weigh in on the brand I'm considering as well as the sizing for a hot mobile kitchen with a 150sqft area. Thanks so much, Shaun
Cooper and Hunter is a Gree product. Not many here. The big 3 across the nation are Daikin, Mitsubishi, and Fujitsu. As far as for sizing, I’d defer to your local pro 🙂
It’s all about the install I have installed a lot of off brands for the last 8 years I have not had one fail the only problem I have had was one remote went bad
We are currently in a rental property in Florida that has four Daikin units. To put it bluntly, they suck the big wazoo. We tried to leave them in auto mode, set to one temperature. They blew nothing but cold air even though they were in auto. Any time we try to adjust the temperature, they stop working and the on lights just blink. A tech came out and told us if it happens again to trip the circuit breaker and reset it. The only way for us to regulate temperature is to reset them and have heat, then again turn off the breaker and set them to cool. I would never ever have these installed in my home. This is the second rental property we have had with these and both times they were pieces of poo.
We do Daikin but when they aren’t available we use Fujitsu. I like Daikin better because it’s a lot simpler. But Daikin seems to spring refrigerant leaks way more in comparison.
Thanks for all the great videos. We live in a 212 year old house with a old oil fired boiler that's going to need to be replaced soon, and is in a space which will make replacement difficult. There's also no AC in the house, with the previous owners using multiple window units. I'm researching options, and leaning towards minisplits, so these videos are really helpful.
@@NewHVACGuide - Thanks! Most windows have now been replaced, and we're looking at having the remaining ones replaced. We're also looking into insulating the attic, and I've been working on insulating other areas. What do you think about ducted mini splits? We have the attic space available for the Air handler, and I was thinking ceiling ducts might be nicer than dealing with holes through the brick and plaster and lathe for four bedrooms and a bath.
@@blue33fp You will be happy if you insulate the House well. Whenever someone goes from oil furnaces to anything else, they found out how cold winters can be
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NO. It starts at 7:31!
@@ranakeen9884 thx
Down here in South Florida, I own multiple properties. I’ve tested many of these off brands, as I own 10 mini splits. The premium brand is pretty good, I have two that are going on 7 years! Midea also sells parts now. But the most important thing to consider, I get these 12k units installed for $600-$750 materials and labor. If I were to go with an LG, Mitsubishi etc, the cost would be $2,000-$3,000 installed. I can burn through 3-5 of the less expensive units before ever coming to those numbers. Being in South Florida, I’ve had one unit with a Goodman top of the line mini split, next door to a Premium and they both cooled the same. I’ve installed them myself a couple of times as well, but it’s not worth saving $250-$300 to do all that work, in my opinion. Anyhow, just sharing my experience over the past 10 years running 10 units all day everyday. Cheers
Chris, thanks for information as I'm in the Tamap area looking for a DIY mini split. I had a guy quote me $4800 for a Mishibishu/LG 12000kw. So, I'm back looking at MR Cool, but their warranty is only 5/7, what do think is best way to go for a DIY or if you know a good "fair" installer in SW Florida? Dave
@@dcc2444 At $750 you could install 6 if the cheap ones lol. These AC guys that want to sell you the most expensive ones, they don’t care about your money, they just want to sell you the best most expensive unit. Makes zero sense.
@@christopherjamesrussell Which one of the less expensive units would you recommend?
Very helpful thank you.
What company are in they Tampa?
I Have a HVAC tech degree. Most heating is so basic and really any one with a little knowledge can install. Diagnosis is the skill . Most of those warranty are crap in the end. I own rentals and every time its a bs answer when you actually want the warranty.
which mini split brand do you use for your rentals ?
@@constancekang9914 daikin mini split have been good. so far. very high reviews also.
Misleading I wanted to hear which systems by brand that suck :(
I pretty much say there’s too many. If they aren’t the common ones sold by contractors, they suck.
They all reek, including Daikin. We have rented two different properties with these and had big time trouble with all of them.
I bought a 4 head senville a couple years ago. Works great, only cost 3200 and was easy to install.
Of course you're gonna say that 😅@@NewHVACGuide
@@cuzr702 Yes and they sell thousands of them and most installed by homeowners who do a better job than the HVAC techs who want 1000's more to install them
The problem is Daikin doesn't stand behind their warranty. I am a HVAC tech. I have over 225 Daikin water source heat pumps. We had a problem with the evap coils flaking off with corrosion with in 8 months after being installed. Daikin handed us a " white paper " stating that they know about the issue but , it's the customers problem now. DAIKINS WARRANTY IS A JOKE. I will never buy a Daikin product again......
Wow. I’ve never had an issue. Daikin doesn’t even question us when I send in warranty requests. Some manufacturers will question us to high heaven and make us do tests just to get certain parts. Daikin has never asked one single question. If I tell them the part is bad, they give me the part. Your problem may be the supplier?
@@NewHVACGuide we even sent out a evap coil I personally pulled myself to a 3rd party company that specializes in condenser and evaporator coils. Wrapped it in plastic and crated it up.
They inspect and lab test everything. They found that the coils were contaminated with POE oil and this broke down the factory clear protective coating and accelerated the corrosion. We literally had white flakes like snow coming out of these units... it was horrible. Daikin walked away and now there are lawyers involved....
@@NewHVACGuide the " white paper" they handed us was dated from 2013 and knew about this issue for 6 years since our issue happened in 2019.
@@NewHVACGuide I'm wondering if they don't question YOU cuz ur the "HVAC Guide FHO" guy on You Tube? know what I mean? Great info and you get good service cuz they know u talk about it here. But perhaps for the rest of the us it won't be that way. Food for thot. Maybe try it under another name or for someone else and see what happens?
I had a buddy of mine in the AC business as well has his own company had a EEV go bad right there on the phone Daikin told us to take it off the wall take it back to the supply house they gave us a claim number went to Johnstone they gave us a new one the next day install that had the customer up and running
7 minutes of fluff and 31 seconds of useful information...
Ask people who have them
Look at the warranty
Look at the specifications
Thank goodness for faster playback speeds.
Please answer !! If you had to buy a 5-6 zone mini split TODAY what brand ?
Im an HVAC technician with over 20 years experience, the best advice i could possibly give on the topic of mini splits is two points, lineset length must be a least the minimum length the installation instructions specify for a particular system, and a good quality surge protector should always be used, these things are all inverter based power(it takes the 240 volts from you house and turns it into 300 volts+ DC to run the fan and compressor like a 3 phase). So any power fluctuations can wreak havoc on the CPU.
Purchased: August 2023 - still works GREAT!I ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxxsUnXhGsSJLim_XnMHyQK0u3XVaW-CGn live in a studio and during the summer it gets scorching hot - really old building with no ac units. I can’t express how EASY it was to install. This unit has been a life savior during the summer and some days during other seasons where it can still be a bit warm at night. In this small place is my friend, a husky, poodle mix and myself. We need AC - lolI don’t use the dehumidifier option - I’m not sure if it will leak in my house, since I did not install the small draining hose that came with it. May look into it late but I don’t worry about much humidity in the apartment. I don’t understand why the negative reviews since all things mentioned, I personally did not find issues with. Definitely worth it!
I've found the parts warranty doesn't mean crap ! The labor warranty is whats critical. Any of these companies will send you a replacement part,but when you see the cost for an hvac company to come out and replace that part,you may as well buy a whole new unit.
I agree. I've covered that a couple times in videos
so true .
What brand would you recommend for a DIY?
@@extremerecluse6548 I don’t 🙂
@@extremerecluse6548 From what I understand the cheaper ones are all made in China by one or 2 companies. So customer service is more important. I have had good luck with MR.Cool, Senville and Pioneer customer service. I only buy from places that I can physically return the item if I have intial problems.Mr.Cool is really good if you are running long lines,because the typical type (somewhat diy units) that need to be vacummed before releasing the charge,have limits on how long of linesets you can run per port. For instance I almost bought a Senville which the listing claimed a 100' of line could be run,yet that only ment 25' per port. I would have had to hire an hvac company to come out and vacuum the lines and add more refrigerant. The $1000 I would have saved with buying the Senville was now the same price (or more) than just buying a MR Cool with the lines already pre charged and ready to go.
Here in NC I installed the cheapest ebay mini split for a friend because that was all he could afford. Fast forward 4 years and it's still working. Not all affordable units are junk. The company I work for installs a lot of Gree units. 99% are great but every once in a while you get one that slipped by QC. Even the occasional Daikin is a lemon.
What brand and where did you get it? I'm in Wake forest looking to get one for our garage.
100% agree with you.
You're full of cow chips. Mini splits are all junk.
I got a mirage mini split I bought for 300$ in Mexico and brought it back here and it’s been working like a champ in this Texas heat .3 years old .don’t let these places fool into spending money on those expensive brands .
@@htowner1327Mirage is Mitsubishi ❤
The lowdown is this. If you're technically competent and knowledgeable, you can self-install a mini-split you purchase online and it will perform fine (I've installed 3), AND you'll save about half of the costs. Otherwise, you need a licenced HVAC installer, who will probably require you to purchase the unit from his company, making the entire purchase/installation much more expensive. DON'T purchase online to save money and have an unqualified person do the installation.
I definitely see your side of this argument. However, there are many things to consider including refrigerant on the market that are flammable, issues that could arise from someone's experience, and low quality products being bought online. I've met just as many people saying that they installed it themselves wishing they had not
@@NewHVACGuide I can appreciate a commercial HVAC tech not wanting to repair a unit someone fudged the install of. I was only speaking for myself, as I knew my capabilities and understanding, which is why I advised NOT to go the route I took unless a qualified person was involved to install.
Not just half.
I only need to Temperature Control a 630 square foot space with a single zone and all the contractors in my area are quoting *6000 dollars* when the equipment retails for around 1800.
Rounding that up to 2,000 for a few odds and ends and it's 2/3rds off to do it without them.
It's really sad, it's literally 2 hours of labor (in my specific case, obviously larger systems with more zones will be much more labor intensive) but they're charging an arm and a leg for it.
Is it a supply chain thing? They can't get enough units to pay the bills on volume so they're stick it to the customers they can service instead?
@@priestesslucy 630 square foot? You could remove and replace a DIY 115v 10k BTU minisplit every time it fails for a few years for the price you've been quoted!
@@NewHVACGuide
I can appreciate that. There's a lot of people who don't understand the underlying concepts of what they do, in all technical service sectors. I decided I wanted to be able to buy R22 which they made a licencing requirement for so I called around and found a school that was about to administer a test and they agreed to let me come take it with them for a small fee. There were guys there having been through a two year curriculum nervous as hell that they wouldn't pass. The test was three sections for three levels of license. I ripped through all three, finished first, and got the top level "universal" certificate. I've never worked in HVAC nor been to HVAC school. But I can legally work on industrial chillers. Installing pioneer mini splits for family is just another thing to do.
Good video.
Do you think a Midea Mini Split Indoor head is different from a Carrier Performance indoor head even thought they are both made by TEC?
Can a ductless system handle New England winters? I'm in the Rhode Island area and our house has no heat at all, just space heaters. Been that way for 13 years now. The house has no gas service so it has to be an electric option. I'm laying in bed right now with about six blankets on top of me, and I'm still freezing my feet off.
I bought a senville unit back in 2015 and it's worked perfect and still does. This includes 100°+ days.
Good to know lol I just bought 1
Looking at rough estimate of costs to run them. I’m entertaining buying the 4 way split
@@jesseperkins4754 I have senville 30000btu 3 head units run all last month prob cost 150 vs our baseboard heaters that use to cost us 900 ...these are AWESOME
Good to hear also. I got the Senville Aura 12,000 btu w/ 2 wall units. Been great so far and feel reassured that they last.
I recommend buying the cheaper mini split brands with Toshiba compressors. These units are easy to install yourself. It'll save you a lot of money. I've installed 3 units in my house and haven't had any issues for 3 years now.
I have a 12 -14 year old Samsung Vivace in the living room. At the time it was the only gloss black unit that matched the tv that my wife would allow on the wall lol. It still runs great. I think besides proper installation, installing a surge suppressor is key.
Agreed. I have been putting in $500 off brand heat pumps free for my friends and neighbors for 10 years. The State has rebate programs of $2,000 if you use their expensive installers...but we buy and install comparable units for just $500. No failures yet, and we have all saved a ton of money.
@@robertmencl9169 yep they all come from the same factory 😂
How cold does it get by you?
Can you please share the brands? Thank you!
Awesome video in my case it's my bedroom management installed an air ductless AC PTAC unit.I want to know if an Booster Fan be used in an 10"x6" opening? I just want air flow into my bedroom.Its def not connected to an HVAC anymore since they pulled out the air duct system.Any help will be appreciated thank you in advance.
You should be able to make some type of fan work even if the opening is a different size and you have to do some fabrication. Good luck!!!
@@NewHVACGuide thank you I’ll try the “vent booster” since it plugs directly into a wall outlet for power…Home Depot rep said it wouldn’t work but not sure if i believe him or not
How cold should a Mitsubishi 15k blow? I have on in my 500 sq ft garage FS series and it seems to take a long time to bring temp down. It is blowing 50 degrees
Hi what about the Durastar 18k btu one way ceiling mount cassette. Is this a decent unit going in an enclosed magnatrack screened in Patio?
Thank you> I do have a question and I have directions for how to restore connectivity (after a power outage) to Mitsubishi mini split with the MAECH1 remote controller. The problem is I don't know which button on the remote is the "connect" button. My instructions: remove remote from wall and change batteries. Take it to the unit which in my case is in a room area on the roof. Because I have more than one, I check in the small covers and find the one with the red light. That is the one that has lost connectivity.
I hold the remote up to it, push "cancel" on the remote."Cancel appears to be the far left button as it faces me. There are 4 of these buttons.Then, at the same time I push "connect" on my thermostat and the white button inside the little door at the same time, and then let go. (may take several tries) MY PROBLEM is that I do not know which of the 4 buttons on the remote is "connect".
To be clear about the buttons, the one on the far left says underneath it "set clock/day schedule" It also says "cancel" but that happens when changing temperature so you are going back to the set temperature. The other 3 buttons, from left to right, say "Fan", System, and More.
So if I'm correct that the fr left button is the cancel button, which one is the "connect?"
Golly, hope you see this and can help. Thanks
Have you noticed a quality control issues with all daiken across the board? Before covid almost all daiken equipment was pretty spot on and worked great but since covid it seems that it’s a 50/50 shot that the equipment faulty on start up? And what do you think about the daiken fit systems?
We haven’t had many issues. I hope this isn’t a sign of things to come🙂
Thanks for taking the time to do this, whole lotta trash on the internet I appreciate when people put useful info on here
Thank you for your kinds words!
There are several good DIY units out there like Pioneer, Cooper & Hunter, Senville, and others that have decent warranty's but sadly, one of the biggest issues with failures has more to do with poor installations than poor equipment. There are too many You Tube videos that are giving poor advice on mini-split installations and the end results are, compressor, evaporator, and system failures blamed on poor quality, when in fact the issue was a very poor installation. A good example of that would be a system with; poor flares; using improper flare nuts; not using a good sealing oil like Nylog; not properly pressure testing (with nitrogen); and then not evacuating it properly using a micron gauge (pulled down to a minimum of 200 to 300 microns and held for a few minutes to ensure that there are no leaks. Instead, they just use analog gauges and cross their fingers hoping it pulled down correctly leaving no contaminants. Few DIY'er are aware that moisture left in a system because of a poorly done evacuation will mix with the refrigerants and become a highly corrosive acid that will destroy a system from within. Sure, it will run fine for a while, but for how long! And then when it fails, they'll blame the manufacturer for producing a poor product. When a system is installed, tested and evacuated properly, you can pretty much be sure there is no moisture remaining in the system, and that means a system that will most likely run fine for many years. Do your research, install it correctly, and you'll have a system that will have few if any issues. If in doubt about the problems moisture can cause in your system, check it out here; sanden.com/moisture/
Do a UA-cam indepth tutorial. You might make a lot of money of it. I want to install a mini split in my restaurant. You sound like you have great knowledge on them. Let me know if you ever decide to do a UA-cam video
@@mibz1117 Thanks for your vote of confidence but my only concern is to make sure that folks have the right information, to help them make a proper installation, that will ensure the longest life possible. It doesn't cost very much more in time or money to do it right, and in the end considering the life of the system, it's by far the least expensive installation of all.
most Pioneer, Cooper & Hunter and Senville are made by Midea so all them are the same units with minor differences or options So for heating buy the the Senville Aura arctic heat pump is your best price.Enjoy
I want one in the garage in Phoenix. Do you recommend I just hire a pro to install it? How much is an install?
What is ur opinion on the Panasonic mini split
That's my question too. Landlord is in process of having Panasonic ones installed now.
Hi
Can you tell what the gauge is supposed to read on my Bosh 5000 mini split....when it's off and does it go higher when it runs....Thanks Rick.........
so do you guys recommend the Amazon pioneer mini split system? I have a 3 car garage insulated, garage doors insulated as well, about 650sq ft with 8ft ceilings. I live in Clovis California. I was told an 180000 BTU mini split will work fine in my insulated area, or will I need more btus??. by the way do they required a license guy to install it so they can make their warranty valid just in case something happens to mini split?
Are you completely against buying pre-charged units from Amazon or are there actually good choices?
Do you recomment or not recomment Fujitsu units ?? My contractor is wanting to install one in my home addition ...
Fujitsu has always been one of the bigger, ductless brands. However, due to ongoing friction between China and Taiwan, it’s believed that’s the reason Fujitsu has looked to sell the company within the past year. I would be cautious with Fujitsu for the time being. Getting parts in the future may be an issue if they are located in a war, torn country. Just something to think about.
I cleaned my filter and now it’s leaking water down the wall.Any idea of potential reasons? Thanks from Texas.
Clear that drain!
@@NewHVACGuide lol. I’m assuming blow something into the outside pipe or get a vacuum. It’s a midea and damn thing doesn’t open. Filters just came out of the top
@@danwesson1934 shop vac!
i got a?????? i got a premium mini split i stalled about a year a go and i think the reversing valve is bad should i save my money and fix this if i can find some to service it of buy a new unit
Need help please. I'm in lower Ohio and I am looking for with the harsh winters I'm wondering what would be your recommendation for a 2,102 Sq ft house for heating and cooling? Please let me know. Thank you.
Hello. I’d recommend getting as many quotes as you’re willing to and find a contractor that will treat you right. 🙂
@@NewHVACGuide Thank you.
@Kellib420 if you want something cost effective, I'd recommend ACIQ I've installed alot of their mini splits.
What is your opinion on the best mini split for a large two car garage?
Best Ductless Mini Split Brand! - How to narrow down.
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So can you suggest a good system brand I am about to buy one and live in California
Well my fave is Daikin. However, I’d recommend finding a good contractor and going with the brand they love and will stand behind.
What do you know about Blueridge and/or Senville?
Do you know anything about a Norton mini split unit?
So which hvac brands suck?
Im sure its not
mitsubishi
Carrier
Lg
Pioneer
Which are some i can order online
Can you just give us a list of good/bad brands?
IKR read a recently removed comment said quality data started 7:31 clicked on it and it was the end of the video, point taken
Good video
Building a 16 × 6 x 7 trailer to get home more often my parents are getting old.
qustion i am going with confort..... cheap i know but codensor is smaller and lighteron for tong weight wear i am mounting.
35 year appliance tech here. What would youe personally reccomend? And still be good down the line for solar Thank you
Hi Monty, check out this other video that a guy did minisplit AC powered by a solar power system in his RV..
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Best to you and your parents.
I'm looking for a super high efficiency mini split installed on my motorhome for use when off-grid. Do you offer 12-year warranties on mobile installations? I'm leaning toward the Blueridge 38 SEER (16.7 EER) 9,000 Btu unit but would prefer a 12k Btu unit if I could find one with over 15 EER. Batteries, solar, inverters and the rest of my system will cost many times what the mini-split costs, so efficiency is everything for my application.
Check out the Daikin Atmosphera. Pretty high seer, great warranty, and great performance in cold temps. It also uses r32 refrigerant
I just got a premium levella mini split I’m going to put it in my single car garage so my dogs have cold air. Haven’t installed it yet, what do you think of that system?
I want a minisplit in my garage and was really wanting a Mitsubishis The installer that is redoing our entire house with Trane hurnaces/ACs units (two each) said they install Daikin. So that's good to know. I wasn't aware of that brand and just figured it was a generic one. Side question for a garage of 24x24 what size Daikin would you recommend? I'd like AC in the summer and heat in the winter.
Well, I appreciate your input, it certainly doesn’t help me down in Florida, I thought you were going to offer up some products names that were no good that you discovered in your day in and day out installation of units. Are there any that should be steered away from?
Part of the reason I didn’t do that is because that video would be 48 hours long. It would be easier to stick to talking about brands that are more common. The easiest way to know if a brand is half decent is finding a good contractor and going with the brand they recommend.
Hello, what do you think about Lennox mini splits
Most minisplits are one in the same. The two big brands are Mitsubishi and Daikin. But staying with a well known brand like Lennox should be fine. The problem become with some of the generic brands is finding parts and support.
@HVAC Guide For Homeowners Considering a Daikin 19 Series for a 3-sided glass elevated sunroom. 4th side is the brick exterior wall and was suggested to be the install site for the head unit. Another party warned about hanging the head unit on a home's brick exterior commenting about the level and the irregular surface potentially creating water drainage issues. Is this a valid concern being brought up or simply a scare tactic? And if valid, would a floor console-style unit be an alternative?
I’m not sure what they’re talking about. It may be a valid concern? However, we’ve installed multiple units on brick and all kinds of materials. If installed correctly, you should be happy
The reason there are so many brands is that anyone who wants to buy about two container loads from China or Korea can brand label their own units. It's a good idea to avoid these because the companies come and go and you won't get a warrantee and can't get parts when they do unless you're able to cross reference to the OEM but you'll have to pay for the parts because they won't honor the warrantee on a branded unit. The efficiency is the thing that really distinguishes the quality of a mini split because the lower eff. units run much higher pressure and compression ratios and don't seem to be made as well. I won't install anything less than a 20 SEER. Another good reference is where it's made. The Japanese invented the things and pretty much make the best units. I think Daikin is Japanese but they have a factory in Texas so it's fair to say they are one of the top of the line units but you pay a premium and in my opinion they are not THAT much better. The Chinese make some pretty good knock offs. I stay away from the Korean units and they are one of the most popular to get brand labeled they aren't really that bad. Both Trane and Carrier brand label Gree from China, or at least they use too, and you won't go wrong with them because you have a big American company behind them but you also pay extra for that. You can get the same thing with the Gree name on it and they're pretty good units for the money, but again, go for the higher efficiency models from a reputable supplier that you're confident will be there in the future.
yes i thought i would save some money and instaledl it my self
@@mtsaz100 interesting info, they are all switching it up every few years so it's hard to keep track. Pretty sure Carrier isn't branding Gree anymore either, if they ever really were. Just saw one at the wholesaler years ago and it looked like a Gree to me at the time. They are all very similar. I've been selling Pioneer lately and trying to figure out who actually makes them.
What do you think of Cooper and Hunter brand?
I bought LG minisplits on clearance maybe 15 years ago. 4 dual zone systems. All but 1 has survived, although I've replaced a lot of sensors and control boards. The 1 thing these videos don't tell you is if the PARTS are available down the road for the manufacturer you choose. I "hate" the LGs BUT the parts were always available for at least 12 years, so they were salvageable for maybe $250 a year in maintenance (24K btus). Yes it's hard to find a pro to fix things. Even harder to find one that will repair rather than fix an older unit. My units are now end of life so I'm looking for new options or just going back to old faithful window units...
My favorite AC tech told me something that is true, the simpler the unit is, the easier and less expensive it is to fix. The old constant spin compressors are cheap and easy to troubleshoot. The newer inverter units are much harder to keep functioning when things go south. You can still find these low budget units from Mexico and South America. Although from experience if you need quite a few units from a no name brand, you should order a few full backup units to pull parts from in the future. Just think of it as insurance.
A few years ago I got an estimate to put a single head Mitsubishi mini split in a second floor attic bedroom. I got two quotes at $5000-5500 for single head! No way I could justify the cost of that. I wound up going with a sleeve in the wall and a better quality wall mounted A/C which worked fine.
My senville units run great. I bought the more expensive version because it handles the cold better. I only paid 3.2k for a 4 head unit with 36k cooling. Really easy to install yourself if you make sure your line length matches what the main unit is pre charged for. Local companies wanted 20k dollars for a 3 head unit with half the cooling capacity. What these places charge for installation is crazy, it only took me a few days and I had no experience. They will want you to buy their specific brand and claim it’s the only one that performs well. Then sneak in another 10k in labor charges by overcharging for those units. Total rip off.
I'm considering a single head 12,000 btu Daikin unit. How do their different (SEER) product lines compare in term of reliability? e.g. if I care more about reliability & repair-ability rather than efficiency, are they (Different Daikin variants) the same?
Daikin has a systems as low as 17 SEER and some higher than 25 SEER.
Hey Joshua - on the Daikin systems, do you recommend running the fan in the auto position for maximum efficiency whether the unit is in cool or heat mode? I just had one of these systems installed in an in-law site above my garage that isn't used daily. Thanks!
Typically yes. Congrats on the new unit!
Maximum efficiency yes, for auto.
But in extreme cold weather, max fan speed is better to push the air further, so the air is more uniform across the house.
It will be louder yes.
What about a Franklin mini split heat pump 23 Seer? I don't hear anything about Franklin
One of the biggest problems are the installers are led to believe that many of these units produce undiminished BTUs at sub zero temperatures. This misconception comes from manufacturers advertisements saying the unit works down to 22 below 0 or something similar. What they are not saying is that it has a diminishing BTU output the colder it gets. In order for these units to put out undiminished BTUs they must have a dual stage compressor. These are known as Hyper Heat, Hi Heat, or ULTRA, etc. A single stage compressor will lose close to 50% of its heat output at 0 degrees. When doing a heat load calc for a design day of 0 degrees and your heat load comes out at 24000 BTUs you need a unit that will produce 24000 on a 0 degree day not one that puts out 24000 on a 47 degree day. You would need a 3-1/2 ton unit to supply 24000 on a 0 degree day. Many installers are going to be very disappointed about their heat output when it gets close to design temps in colder regions.
That's a very good point. Just because it can produce heat at a lower temperature, doesn't mean it has the same capacity.
I see this all the time. Companies selling standard heat pumps or non-cold-weather heat pumps to people who are going to be using these units in extreme cold temperature. If I know the heat pump is going to be used in cold weather I sell cold weather heat pumps only or nothing at all.
@@williamlongo4819 They don't read the performance charts, just the box lol
Yes the ability to heat goes down as temperature goes down they also burn more electricity to heat as temperature goes down.The arctic heat pump in the Senville Aura Cooper & Hunter and other named brands with this arctic compressor are still really efficient at minus 15C.The dual stage compressor made by GREE Extreme for arctic temps is really good and we are seeing some high SEER2 at 24 (according to GREE Canada) as opposed to Senville's 25.5 for a 12000BTU unit.But the SEER2 is for cooling not heating.COP for GREE is 3.8 and Midea(Senville) is 3.87.I personally know the Senville Aura 1200BTU has no problem heating my 1450SQFT house around the freezing mark even 5 below 0 efficiently.I have lots of insulation in the attic and good windows.I have not seen how the 2 stage arctic compressor works because people tend not to say which unit they have how many BTU's they have,how large their house is and how good it is insulated.I do believe the Gree units are great though based on incomplete feedback like people saying this thing heats awsome.Oh and if you wondered yes I was going to install more Aura units in my house to get more BTU's to give the one unit a break.But it was nice to put it through it's paces to see how well it performed.I will say on the coldest day this year about -8C(not including wind chill) the indoor air handler was 71C or 159.8F for you American's on here.I see one guy in winnipeg says his Aura was producing heat at -37C or -34.6F.Enjoy
OH and one more thing I disagree with your assessment of 50% at 0 degrees Celsius.My 12000BTU unit has heating range of 5000 to 15300BTU's.The non arctic compressors probably so but the arctic compressors are producing real well at -15C.I cant seem to find the charts but I have seen them and I believe it's -15C when the BTU's starting dropping faster steadily
I do not disagree that cheap systems most likely will not work as well and as long as the more name brand and expensive brands. However, could poor performance like what you were saying be due to poor install? Maybe the installer in the campground did not pull a good vacuum or something else like that
Great point!
I live in Virginia so I went to your website but was confused about the cost of the "guide" is $299.00 per year. What would I receive for that amount? Can you recommend an installer near Danville? I need two single head units installed.
The guide is $19. Sorry I don’t know anyone in Danville. The $299 is for a pro to help you talk to contractors and so on.
I’m in Danville too. Small world
I have a 6 month old daikin 3 zone and it's currently not working properly, but used to run perfect (is short cycling but not low on refrigerant) and company who installed cant seem to figure it out. Any ideas?! Warranty means nothing if the installers dont know how to diagnose! 👌👏🤔🧐
Can you do a video about the Mini Splits that run on solar and wall power as hybrids?
I'll add it to the list 🙂
What you think about rheem mini splits?
I’m pretty sure that they are re-branded Fujitsu units. So they should be pretty good
Down to what temperature will Daikin ductless produce heat?
VRV life is -13F
@@NewHVACGuide is that at a reduced efficiency, a percentage less, or is it at 100% efficiency?
What do u think of pioneer mini splits?
We don't have a lot of them here. There's no good supplier. They're made by Parker Davis and has an okay reputation. Daikin, Fujitsu, and Mitsubishi have the best reputations.
I installed a pioneer minisplit on the back of my van (makeshift rv) only used 6 months so far but it runs great. Very very quiet, cools nice in fl. I run it off batteries through inverter with solar. I take my van down dirt roads, bumpy roads and 9000 miles of highway miles bouncing around. Still runs great. How long will it last? Beats me. It was there inverter ++ 21.5 seer one. Just under 1k. I paid to have the lines torqued, vacuumed and pressure tested. I installed the rest.
I added a pioneer ms to my 12x14 office space off the back room of my house and I'm pleased with it.
My Pioneer 18k WYS mini split had a failed compressor at just over a year old, they refused to do anything under warranty even though its supposed to have a 5 year warranty.
How much is tacked onto the purchase price to cover the lengthy warranty? I thought you would cover mechanical issues, not warrenties.
thanks for the info,im considering going with a couple of these to replace my 50+ yrs old AC as someone said the old type freon may be phased out and ive been fortunate that ive had a nice hvac guy help me out in his spare time with just checking coolant levels. ive done a bunch of work to the system replacing main blower motor and sensors for the thermo. and my dad replaced the main outer fan motor and i maintain it yearly to keep it in best condition i can but if the compressorr goes bad i'll probably need a complete refit from what ive read in repair forums as it'll have to go to the new type of freon.
My 3 ton Bryant package AC unit went out after a long 15 years in Tampa, Florida heat.
I bought a 5,000 BTU window unit, while waiting for two eBay mini-splits.
I installed them both in one day.
One was an 18,000 BTU @ $660, the other a 9,000 BTU @ $590
Because I no longer loose cooling through duct work and associated :heat soak" loss, I not only get more cooler air, the units can not be heard, better efficiency, and my electric bill went down just over $100.
That was four years ago, and they still work as well as when new.
The window unit never gets used, I bought it new at Home Depot to tide me over until the mini-splits got here. ($99.99 on sale.)
hello, how do you feel about Honeywell mini split ?
I haven’t laid hands on one. My guess is it’s probably another brand making the equipment and they are just licensing the name
@@NewHVACGuide im buying one from best buy I hope it works well
I'm an electrician. Do you think I could install a mini split unit, wire it and then have HVAC tech come connect the lineset? If so, how would I go about purchasing the units for myself instead of through an HVAC contractor who's going to mark it up?
Question 1: probably
Question 2: You can get them online now. Not saying they're as good, but you can get them.
I lived in Mexico for a couple years, the two major grocery stores, Chedraui and Mega have dozens of different brands piled up in the isles. Homeowners buy and install them all the time. They dont vac them down, just purge with a little refrigerant and tighten the flare. They have an average lifespan of 3 to 4 years depending how much water was in the line set. POE oil creates organic acid when combined with water. They sell them cheaper than we get them wholesale so 3 or 4 years is fine with them.
@@anthonyspadafora1384 lol, that's unreal sounding to me. Both the "stacked up in a store" like we see window and portable ACs in the USA, and the cowboy installation, then just count on good-enough performance until you repeat the process.
@@mlindholm No lie, I lived in Cozumel for a year and then another year in Vera Cruz. I am a Master Plumber and a RSES certified mechanic. My specialty is high end hydronic systems. So because of my mechanical background I took a real interest in the systems used in these places when I lived there, from the desal units to the sewer systems. There are very few ducted systems and none in residential. Being honest here, once the original install is finished all the hard work is done and I can buy a 12000 btu ductless there for less than a service call here. Even here these units all specify 3 vacs broken with dry nitrogen. When was the last time you saw someone use a filter dryer on their nitrogen tank to break the vacuum? Actual refrigeration mechanics understand why this is necessary, they are not going to stand there all day and wait till the frost sublimates and we recognize that POE oil creates an organic acid when combined with moisture. Some know some don't and some just dont care. As you know there are no filter dryers on ductless so sloppy work is not tolerated for very long on these units. I could go on and on but I will spare you ,9 OUT OF 10 "mechanics" today don't even realize why we have to insulate both lines on a ductless unit, beyond sad. I just turned 60 and started building another airplane, Let the kids worry about it. lol From a cost effective viewpoint the Mexicans might be on to something!
@@mlindholm Sent you the link to the units in Chedraui. 370 bucks and you can often get them on sale for 250.00 My link has been removed twice, not sure why.
Wow Josh you give a 12-year parts and labor warranty on your Daiken
That's amazing
When I had my central AC put in he gave me a year and extended it to two years for labor I think the unit has a 10-year parts only through Bryant.
You have a good company cuz I had nobody down in the Northeast give me that kind of a warranty and I tried!!!
Hey bud, Im trying to figure out what the "backlash" temperature setting is referring to on my air-to-water heat pump, any ideas?
I got a question I followed the link through Amazon to the daikon unit but I'm looking at the line card for the stats it says it's 230 V DC? Also I have a more generic question when you see these units with two inside units can these be operated in different rooms are they separate zones? Thanks Peace ..
Is this Kenny Powers from east bound and down?
😂
What’s your opinion on gree mini splits
No comment 🙂
Hello Sir, I have a question for you. I bought one of those off brands mini split with heatpump. TuttoKool 12K BTU 20 Seer 115v system. I installed it and it worked great. then after a thunderstorm, it quit working. After the vendor and manufacture (China) refused to answer any calls or emails, I had a local air company check it out and the confirmed it was the PCB not sending power back outside. I sent the board to Precision Electric for repair. They sent it back saying the power was good, the logic was missing. Is there a way to reprogram this? Will a universal PCB for mini splits work? the system is just now working due to no control. Hate to throw it out. Any suggestions?
Homeowners insurance should cover it.
@@anthonyspadafora1384 homeowners insurance doesn't cover air conditioning units that break you have to have a home warranty for that that's what you're probably thinking
@@colbraddock9913 Report it after a lightning storm then it is covered. lol
They sell universal boards and remotes that can replace the oem, wont be exact but will work
Mitsubishi rocks. Did a four invertor unit in my home. Very quite and efficient.
With you there Jordon!. Shut down my gas furnace and replaced my central aircon. My HVAC company offered Carrier, but said they did not recommend their heat pump system. They said Mitsu was expensive but they felt more confident due to the Mitsu 50 years in the business, reputation etc.
I didn't have to think long about it. I had them install the Mitsu MSZ handlers (3) last August for my 2500 sq. home. I stayed warm during the winter, cheaper then nat gas. In being honest, I had one morning that I woke up cold. It was -2 degrees and the system shut down. YES, it was 7 degrees lower then their rating, but the system made warm air again once it got to 3 above!
At the time of this writing, it is my first real use of the AC system, and they are amazing! Best use of $15k I have put into my home ((O: Enjoy !
Just had a Mitsubishi installed yesterday. Forgot to ask about the owner's manual...we called the sales rep and the installers tossed them. Need to find out how to turn the unit off. Room got to 74 yesterday and depressed the too warm button. The AC kicked on...no thanks not in winter. Other than that hopefully easy to remedy problem we love it.
Appreciate this content and relevant to our situation here in PA trying decide between one contractor offering Mitsubishi and another LG both with relatively the same 12 yr warranty. Without saying no comment (please), do you have a preference?
Which contractor do you like better?
I badly wanted to say “no comment” 😉
LG has been known for good customer service.
I didn't think about a warranty. The Mr. Cool warranty seems to be much less than a pro install. But getting a pro install costs much more and takes months to schedule. I wonder if it's a wash in the end?
I was quoted $3600 for a 9k btu mini split pro install. I was able to do it myself with a Tosot including electricity, a 12k unit for about $1300. If it breaks and its no longer in warranty I still can replace the unit 2 twice. The markup on these professional installs is INSANE.
@@LDBaha the markup os nor insane. Intact, the quote you received was cheap! Business's need to male money. They need licensing, and insurance to even be allowed to work for you. They need to warranty their work. How do you find them? They PAY for advertising. There's more involved, but I think you get my point. You were able to save money et be ause you have the knowledge to do it. But, you're not held to the same standards as a contractor.
HVAC prices are insane. The mini splits are basically designed for diy. Charging 4 or 5 times over the actual cost is nuts. I will diy one, bank the change, and can redo it later if it fails. Plenty of good info on the steps required, and some specialty tools. Still only a few hundred, and ready for any service work, or to help a buddy doing one.
I work for a huge company we install Lennox and I have been installing there mini splits for a while and the other day I went to a install and it was a 5 head system that was installed by some guy installed that the home owner found somewhere and they had the system work for a couple hours and never heard from the installer again cost the home owner over 20 grand every head had condensation drains back pitched and kinks in the line sets we needed up ripping everything out and installing all new cause we can’t guarantee that after all the heads and lineset get reinstalled and recharge the whole system cause when I got there the system was empty that it would even work so he paid for a complete new system. That’s why I tell everyone don’t do it your self or hire someone that works out of the back of there car with no insurance or license cause the money you save will cost you a lot more in the long run. I have so many people that want me to install there equipment they bought cheap somewhere and I did for a while payment up front with papers signed saying I am not responsible for the equipment if it does not work and no matter what happens someone will always try and blame the installer to help themselves out. Meanwhile I have been to so many classes to learn to repair mini splits from many of the top companies and I have installed close to 600 mini split systems I know how to do my job and I take pride in it I don’t rush or skip on anything cause I would not want that done at my house I recommend that customer look at what the warranty is. The company installing the equipment and reviews for the company before agreeing on a job
Sony guts...lol
Hey, what's a good price for an installed ductless system? 3 unit, 1 2 ton, and 2 1 ton units.
Getting some quotes.
I understand there can be some differences, but a range would be helpful?
Hi there, I have enough money to eyeball on a minisplit brand between Panasonic Climapure system or a Mitsubishi H2i system. I can't find much info out there comparing these 2 but one article states panasonic offer a 7 year warranty where as mitsubishi offer a 1 year warranty. I do like the panasonic air quality stuff but then again mitsubishi can operate in colder climate. well i'm leaning towards the panasonic as i'm buying it mainly cuz there is a freaking heat wave in california right now and also we just got sick and so air quality is quite a bonus to me here so i'm wondering if panasonics air quality might be a gimmick or not.. but colder days i'd like to have that mitsubishi h2i system functioning also the mitsubishi does have air quality protection layer as well but idk if it's as good or just as good as panasonics air quality stuff where it can override that and reap the benefit of the h2i system. what do you think? or is there a better brand? I'm trying to find Daikin atmosphera but can't find anything selling online at all, so that's out of the picture. any help appreciated. btw we live in an apartment and the ac system in here is all kinds of fked up, so i'm planning to do a custom setup on a mini split outside of a window as we live in 2nd floor. the owner is fine with nails and attachments onto the apartment as well, no hoa's.
edit: on 2nd read, mitsubishi actually provide 10 year warranty not 1.
My Mitsubishi heat pump and air handlers have a three year warranty. The Panasonic and Mitsubishi units are extremely similar to one another and well built.
He said Daikin .. I got one of those. Installed it .. the installer was on the phone for hours with teck guy. Trying to get it running. Finally it was running. Few days later Were back working on it. . And back working . And working on it.. finally they removed it and installed a new system different brand.. no charge. Parts were under warranty. Labor was not. They never charged for labor.. . Daikin would not take the lemon back.
Daiken is a lower mid-range brand. They have a 12yr parts warranty, but labor is high-end. When I buy high-end I expect to get 10-15ýrs out of it with little maintaineñce. I can for advice, not for a sales pitch.
What mechanical devices do you feel make one unit better than another? Im a 40 year RSES tech so no need for fan boy subjectives. Just explain to me what parts are better and why, TXVs, motor windings, jacket gauge,inverter?
Goodman should have a class action agst them if only the customers knew how bad they are. 2yrs on inducer motor assembly, maybe 3 at best. Trane by far the least problematic in my experience. Great video!
*Love this unit! Using upstairs in my sons bedroom **Fastly.Cool** and he’s finally able to be comfortable upstairs without me freezing downstairs. Works for more sqft than expected!*
Great to hear!
Sometimes I wonder if the reason some installers have a preferred brand they push is less because its any better and more because they more profit off a certain brand.
It's because we have had less call backs on it, seen how they're built, and know their part's lifetime. A preferred brand is less about making money, and more about getting rid of future headaches. Unfortunately, the more it costs, the better the product.
You have to define "better". Really isnt too much to these units. Two coils, 3 or 4 off the shelf sensors, An inverter that consist of a bridge rectifier, 3 phase inverter and a rotary compressor. higher seer units use an EEV and all multis use EEVs. Fan motors are off the shelf. Really havent noticed any gauge thickness in the sheet metal, Plastics are all the same, reversing valves are off the shelf items. They all have good, better ,best but that is just options not quality. They are all powder coated. We have a lot of Fujitsu fan boys in our area, they say Fujitsu is the best and I get a blank stare when I ask why. Triple vac and break with dry nitrogen and use good surge protection and they will give you the same amount of hours. Ultra heat units are where you will actually see competing compressor designs and frost sensing capabilities but these are a little different animal and relatively new.
@@anthonyspadafora1384 wow, you know your stuff......I plan to do my due diligence to choose the best for me. I plan to install it as well. I'll get the electrician to deal with the wiring but much of it I plan to do with the help of my brother. As a woman, I get super excited when I use power tools and finish my diy renovations!!
Installed 2014 Fujitsu mini split ductless heat system sounds like plane taking off upon starting and then while running sounds squeaky.
Is it fan motor and fan blades?
Definitely have a pro take a look!
i thought griffin air was going to be a small plane company :) am i mad buying anything like this, Telefunken TEALCE-12CHSA i need it for heating not cooling, , never goes below 40f. whats your thoughts?
Maybe someday Griffin Air may own a plane 🤣
I’m not familiar with that brand. I’d get a Daikin, Mitsubishi or Fujitsu installed by a good company and you shouldn’t have problems.
@@NewHVACGuide hi thanks for your reply :) so any of those makes and does age matter? Am I trying to find one that's newer than what and what parts fail in the different makes?
I need a 24k btu mini split for my 3 car garage (aka woodworking shop) in phoenix Arizona. What brand would you recommend? Whats the most efficient while being strong at cooling the space?
Daikin, Mitsubishi, and Fujitsu are the big 3 right now
@@NewHVACGuide what about mrcool? mrcool have better SEER ratings than the big 3 you mentioned
I’m just curious what worked out for you. I live outside Gilbert and looking to cool a 4 car garage for a wood shop. I got a quote from an HVAC company today nearly $10,000 for a36k single head mini split. I could buy and install a 36K Mr Cool DIY unit and if it completely failed, replace it twice without serving that much. What did you end up with and are you happy with it now that the real heat is about to be back? I’d appreciate any advice from someone in my climate.
@@iguanamanaz7264 10k? Hahahahahaha what a joke. Thats absurd for them to charge that. I did get the 24k mr cool unit and its GREAT. Easy install. Their 36k unit isnt much more expensive. Definitely do it 😁
@@TreeOfLifeWoodworking I very much appreciate the response and the encouragement. May I ask if your garage is insulated? I have insulated walls but not in the ceiling. It’s about 1100 SF with 9 foot ceiling. 2 insulated garage doors but they face the west. I’m hoping 36k will be sufficient but I guess if it’s not I could shoot some blown in insulation into the attic.
This video is the quintessential definition of bloviating!
Yeah. What a turd.
Learned a new word today thank you!
Like, trump is a lying bloviator.
Listened at 2x, still a waste of time.
This word is gonna catch on. I'm gonna use it everyday from now on. I just hope I don't bloviate all over the place when I share my excitement for this new word.
You don’t have to waste time taking out the fan from the ac unit. All you need is an old toothbrush to clean the fan blade while still in there. Dust will fall off. Spin the blade with fingers till you reach everything.
An old mascara spoolie works too!
So. You say it’s not the same stuff. My brother, who has been in HVAC for 45 years told me it is the same. Do I believe a random guy on the internet or my brother?
specially when you're trying to sell something lol
Don’t listen about warranty unless you’re buying from a certified HVAC technician and COMPANY, otherwise install yourself and make it the cheapest
Read the terms most warranties are worthless if you have a 12 month parts and labor you're the best nobody has that can you install in Orlando Florida?
I had Daikin units. The bedroom unit coil leaked. Then after $1500.00 in labor charges from a 40 year air company, it didn't fix that. I got the head covered and replaced. The following year The Livingroom interior unit leaked. I think Daikin is the worst of the worst. The units were only 4 years old. They are now out of my house. Only used for AC by the way. So thats like one year of operation in NY. It gets hot 3 months of the year.
I put in lots of Daikin units never had those issues might want to check the people that installed it sounds like they hacked it in all reality all mini splits are the same they pull the heat from one area and move it to another it's just more of a preference thing with name brands they all work the same I go with the cheap ones online sometimes and I don't have any issues with him either it's all in how you install them and I stay away from Quick Connect couplings I'm perfect what can I say
As long as it's DYI at places like Lowes and Home Depot a Mr. Cool is warrantied for a few years and costs about 1/4 what a premium unit costs. You can buy 3 or more for one of the premium brands.
I have 3 mr Cools and i love them ,my home traditional split system is on its 4th year its the best 3500 bucks ive ever spent
What use is a 12 year warranty when the gas used is no longer available. You can be sure the current gas available won’t be compatible with your old unit.
Thanks, very informative stuff. I'm looking at installing a mini split on my mobile kitchen. I keep circling back to Cooper and Hunter with a 7year compressor and 5 year parts warranty. Have you seen these in your field/area or worked with them. Thoughts on the product if you have any? I'm looking at a 12k unit regardless of brand-the unit is only 150 sqft. but has a full kitchen with a large woodfired oven as well-it was reaching temps of 109F last October. I'm in Northern NH so its pretty chilly that time of year here so cant imagine what it will be like in July etc.. So thinking I need to over size the unit to meet the needs of a very hot location?! Looking forward to some knowledgeable input if you can weigh in on the brand I'm considering as well as the sizing for a hot mobile kitchen with a 150sqft area. Thanks so much, Shaun
Cooper and Hunter is a Gree product. Not many here. The big 3 across the nation are Daikin, Mitsubishi, and Fujitsu.
As far as for sizing, I’d defer to your local pro 🙂
Yeah same. Looking to see if mini split on our food truck in vegas would be better. Want to save some watts for generator instead of out loud rooftop.
gree owns daikin.
Anybody know anything about the aux brand.
Is the Bosch Climate 5000 system any good?
I’ve never used one unfortunately
It’s all about the install I have installed a lot of off brands for the last 8 years I have not had one fail the only problem I have had was one remote went bad
What brand you recommend for diy?
We are currently in a rental property in Florida that has four Daikin units. To put it bluntly, they suck the big wazoo. We tried to leave them in auto mode, set to one temperature. They blew nothing but cold air even though they were in auto. Any time we try to adjust the temperature, they stop working and the on lights just blink. A tech came out and told us if it happens again to trip the circuit breaker and reset it. The only way for us to regulate temperature is to reset them and have heat, then again turn off the breaker and set them to cool. I would never ever have these installed in my home. This is the second rental property we have had with these and both times they were pieces of poo.
We do Daikin but when they aren’t available we use Fujitsu. I like Daikin better because it’s a lot simpler. But Daikin seems to spring refrigerant leaks way more in comparison.
why would anyone prefer a brand that "seems to spring refrigerant leaks more " that makes no sense
@@timmo6113 because it’s a lot simpler
@@timmo6113 also makes us more money 💰😜
Thanks for all the great videos. We live in a 212 year old house with a old oil fired boiler that's going to need to be replaced soon, and is in a space which will make replacement difficult. There's also no AC in the house, with the previous owners using multiple window units. I'm researching options, and leaning towards minisplits, so these videos are really helpful.
Awesome. Keep in mind the heat rise won’t be the same as the oil furnace. So you may need to insulate the home better
@@NewHVACGuide - Thanks! Most windows have now been replaced, and we're looking at having the remaining ones replaced. We're also looking into insulating the attic, and I've been working on insulating other areas.
What do you think about ducted mini splits? We have the attic space available for the Air handler, and I was thinking ceiling ducts might be nicer than dealing with holes through the brick and plaster and lathe for four bedrooms and a bath.
@@blue33fp You will be happy if you insulate the House well. Whenever someone goes from oil furnaces to anything else, they found out how cold winters can be
You get more British thermal unit out of oil then you do Is natural GAS
@@jcaleca60 your sentence makes no sense