@@colonelmustang854I'll enjoy that. I can see doting and adoring a Pokémon (I have so much adoration for my Mawile, Fangs), but it's... off putting and feels a little wrong to be... THAT close to your partner.
@@Magma-Idiot-2001 The fact that she couldn’t wait TWO GYMS before catching a Ralts in Platinum… heck, the fact that she couldn’t wait until ROUTE 4 in Y… Like, my Nidoking, Kaiser, was a staple on my team in FireRed, but I’m not gonna hack the game to get a Nidoran as my starter. And I still used my other Pokémon. ESPECIALLY my starter (I had a Charizard that I named Helios).
It's so weird to hear Lily talk about Sun and Moon because there's clearly this whole theme of acceptance and found family, and it's all about how we can live with things that are different and accept change. It's such an inherently core part of the queer experience, that no matter what they do to this island or how outcasted people feel, you're still you and you can keep going in spite of everything. And she looks at all of that and just rejects and ignores all of it for the sake of making cheap jokes.
Well I'm not surprised she did the exact same thing with N. Genuinely these things go over her head and if the allegations against her are true that kinda explains her mentally on these subjects.
Also that the Pokémon are based on some of the environmental biosphere history of the islands From native plants and animals, Pokémon that were brought to help with cultivation but later added to the destruction (mongoose aka yungoos and gumshoos) the many unique bird species especially oricorio! The adaptation to environment with the regional variants! And the pollution and conservation message of the game! The Ultra Beast are based on some invasive species to Hawaii too!
@@mr.protagonist5639 I don't want to go after someone for stuff like that without hard proof just in-case. But, uhh.... Yeah....... If someone WAS an abuser then it'd make way too much sense for them to keep downplaying abuse. Every time she talks about anything to deal with this she doesn't talk about how serious it is or show sympathy to the victims. She consistently throws them under the buss or uses it as a chance to shit-talk her sister. Not going to say it's a thing for sure. But it REALLY feels like the way someone would act if they're guilty and they just don't feel a lot of empathy towards people in that type of situation.
@@donovanlocust1106 Oh, right. That’s probably why she prefers Pokemon Amie in X/Y over Camping in Sword/Shield since you can directly touch and pet your Pokemon. Lily tried to act self-aware in her weird obsession with Gardevoir but if she was she wasn’t doing a very good job at it.
"Why do you have all my pokemon?" Because Oleana as a character is someone who takes care of a lot of her superficial beauty, yet shes rotten on the inside. kinda like you, Lily. No wonder you gravitate towards the same pokemon.
@@Dana_Brain Oleana has her starter, a Garbodor that's been with her since she was a child on the streets That's right, even Oleana's team still shows actual empathy and humanity, Lily's doesn't
@@eugenideddisWhen Lily went through Gen 5, she said “Trubbish is cute & a very well designed Pokémon.” So I wouldn’t be surprised if Oleana and her could relate to each other. Their personalities reek and overbloated to a gargantuan scale that is an irredeemable mass…
So she hates how long the dialogue is, hates how long the fights are, dislikes grinding, dislikes proper team building, hates exportation, and hates the side characters and their story arcs. WHY IS SHE EVEN PLAYING POKEMON THEN?! Don't get me started how she keeps hacking in a Ralts to replace one of the starters.
Which is HILARIOUS because Pokémon is short by rpg standards. Pokémon games are usually only about 20-25 hours. I have to imagine how aggravating it would be to listen to her complaining about longer rpgs.
Compared to some RPGs out there, Pokemon, I'd say, is the easiest RPGs out there. If she's already having fit with just pokemon, imagine other RPGs she'd play.
And She apparently enjoys Kingdom Hearts. Extrememly longo dialogue, extrememly longo fights 80% of the game Is focused on side character stories, and you have to grind to get some good materials. I think She Just likes what She likes as a child and everything else doesn't compute
Considering how much and long she loves to talk, you’d think she’d appreciate dialogue. She usually takes forever to get the actual point, but if she has to be patient then it’s the game’s problem.
"Every fight is just Cynthia now..." Yeah, there's no shot she beat Cynthia first try, Lily's way too annoyed at her specific team to do it. I'm convinced the only reason she's so flippant about that character is because she heard she was hard and wants to be a contrarian, but she still got wrecked so she needs to come up with other excuses to shit-talk her without just admitting it was a rough battle. Also, holy crap, is EVERY SINGLE member of her team low defense or weak to Dark?! What the heck is going on here??? Did she just not plan for a physical dark fast attacker in any way at all here???
She mentions spamming calm mind, there's no way she'd put in the effort of using actual strategy (even as little as that) without either having lost, or just wanting to be able to say "I beat her first try" And even brings her back up during the Diantha fight
@@eugenideddis Pretty much exactly that. Paraphrased she said, “I don’t know why people say Cynthia is so hard.” After using Calm Mind 4 or 5 times and proceeding to do exactly what she rants about in every game afterwards. One shotting. When the same thing happens to her? “Wow, it’s like every battle is facing Cynthia now.” It’s simply a lack of awareness and motivation.
1:47:21 So Orchard *knows* that N is a grooming victim, and she still sided with Ghetsis when he berated him for losing, among everything else she said about N... There are no words for how truly horrendous that is.
Anyone else bothered she put Mother Gothel, a gaslighting, abusive, narcissistic kidnapper in the same boat as Lusamine. Lusamine, at least my interpretation of Lusamine, is a tragic character. She wanted to do good. When she lost her husband, she tried to take more control of her kids' lives to protect them. She ended up being corrupted by the influence of nihilego. This led to her looking past Faba's unethical Type:Null experiment as long as he worked on the wormhole project with cosmog. Her unethical experiments and controlling attitude led to her children rebelling and sabotaging her research. She felt betrayed and fell deeper into her madness. In the end, she even starts to reconcile with Lilly before succombing to Nihilego's poison. Also, calling Lilly's arc stagnant. How very dare you. Lily starts as a person who needs to be protected, who needs to be rescued. By the end, she has the courage to leave the home she's known for all her life to help her mother get treatment in Kanto, where she even desires to become a great trainer so she can protect people. I wish Let's Go followed up on that and had her be a battleable trainer in the game. Next Kanto revisit, I want Lilly to be a battleable trainer dammit! I dont care if it's a random encounter on a route, in an optional dungeon, a gym leader, or hell id even be down for champion Lilly.
Missed the stream but I got some thoughts: - This video is the biggest example of Lily not editing her scripts. even ignoring the format shift mid video, there's the shiny segment that anyone doing a 2nd pass would go "Gen 2 is probably a better place to talk about Shinies because Red Gyarados is most people's introduction to the concept," that or her saying the phrase breath new life twice in the same paragraph. - looking back at the live comment I saw a glaring problem in Lily's "max affection to mega evolve" pitch. one of the things that balances megas is they can't hold items, so doing this would cause already strong pokemon like mega Gangar and mega Blaziken can hold items that could make them even more of a threat. - Lily's inability to think of a defensive strategy gives me big fighting game player who refuses to block energy. Like did she not think at any time during any of these games to grab a tanky pokemon to eat hits? - Lily's line reads for the dialogue are terrible. she's more focused on doing a silly voice than she is making the line sound like something a person would say and it makes her delivery so monotone. - not Lily related but Lysandre/Sycamore walked so Geto/Gojo to run - Lily's exact sense of humor hasn't moved passed that era of dark humor where the joke is just saying something horrible as a punchline. - Lily's infantile aversion to raising stakes is so frustrating. that bit where she's like "N would be better if he was a guy on a bench you talk to once" is hair pullingly dumb because 1. His philosophical beliefs are the driving force of the narrative, without him it's just another pokemon story 2. You'd still bitch about him because every treat every major NPC you run into like they're some stalker with a 1000 yard stare - Lily's out here using word count to back her complaints when the average runtime for a pokemon story is 28 hours. 8,300 words is a pittance for something that long, that's 14 pages less than The Great Gatsby - "This is why people just over level and steamroll through the game" LILY WE CAN SEE YOUR GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE YOU CLEARLY DON'T DO THAT - Lily cannot stop thinking of sex for 5 minutes. her brain is so poisoned she saw a pokemon plushie and her first thought was body pillow - god can she go 5 minutes without threatening a child, what did Hau do to you Lily? - I don't think Lily thinks of punk as a philosophy, just an aesthetic and a genre. I also think the reason her Guzma sounds like that is because she didn't put any thought into it and is just doing a mocking surfer dude voice because she's ignorant and doesn't understand that accent is a California surfer culture thing and not a Hawaiian thing - Lily is such a fucking poser and it shows - Lily this is the 3rd game in a row where you down play the abuse a character is put through. kind of a dick move for a person who claims to have gone through abuse yourself - Lusamine's motivation isn't vanity, it's control. She lost her husband and the powerlessness she felt in that moment made her overcorrect and grow possessive - Lily complains about JRPGs so much despite the fact Pokemon seems to be the only one she actually plays. I don't think you get to complain about RPG tropes when you're only experience with the genre is literally baby's first rpg - "chipper upbeat nihilist that is Hau" WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT YOU OXYMORONIC BITCH?! - "Lily you're getting kinda weird about G" GETTING WEIRD? YOU NEVER STOPPED BEING WEIRD ABOUT YOUR POKEWAIFU - Hey notice how Lily misses the narrative arc given through mechanics where Gladions unique pokemon Type: Null only evolves through max friendship? funny how she did that for both the characters she tries to paint as sulky nazi youths, huh? - Lily Hau is the exact type of character you gush about all the time, what about him do you not like? - Ant's rant in the gen 7 segment pre elite 4 is such a scathing call out to Lily as a critic. it points out how dismissive and unobservant people like Lily are and refutes Lily's bitter pessimism with defiant optimism - hey Lily here's a little trick from one life long pokemon fan to another to help with that sweeping problem you got. so if you look at you pokemon's stats there's these things called defense and special defense- - take a benadryl every time Lily makes a benadryl joke and you'd catch up to her really quick. the thing that really needs all that medicine is the dead horse she keeps beating - Lily has clearly never heard the term deuteragonist before - A 2nd devastating monologue has hit the Lily Orchard I'm gonna make the gen 8 post a reply under here because GOD is this long
Yeah, that sums my feeling for this toxic narcissist. From seeing this and her SU vids, She's a individual who can't even care to put greater thought about philosical stories (Pokémon is not difficult to understand and she still missed the mark completely) beyond idiotic jokes (there's a decent joke here and there, I'll give her that) and sex jokes (just as off-putting with the Gardevoir in the room). The thing more messed up to me here is how much worse she is than idiotic contrarian that is Verlisify if she stay in the community.
Ok so small thing but "upbeat nihilist" is not an oxymoron. Nihilism is a philosophy and can be taken in a positive way, it does not need to be an explicitly negative worldview.
N: I'm an abused child who has a connection with pokemon, wishes for Pokémon and humans to live in harmony, and my story arc is about breaking free of a narcissistic parent's control. Lily O: i want to kill him so much. Lily: I'm an abused child who has a connection with pokemon, wishes for Pokémon and humans to live in harmony, and my story arc is about breaking free of a narcissistic parent's control. Lily O: she should've been the protagonist! Her story is so intresting!
Simple: If Lily Orchard sees a female character who ostensibly does nothing wrong in her eyes, she simps for them. Meanwhile all men start off with -1000 social credit and they have to claw their way into Lily's good graces just so she can shrug
She complains about people complaining about EXP Share being too strong and she argues that people don't HAVE to use it so they have nothing to complain about...then she complains about Mega Evolutions being too overpowered and breaking the game...when it's also is a feature you could choose not to use. Also, oooooooh my god. She says that N was a victim of grooming. So she literally recognized that this is an abused child who is still under the control of his abuser. And yet she gloats that she told him to eat concrete. I don't care if that's just a joke. It is a horribly mean-spirited joke at the expense of abuse victims and should never have been made.
And don't forget that in XY she hacked the game to give herself a Mega Stone for Gardevoir at the beginning of the game. Overpowered things are only good when her Mary Sue doesn't get to use them.
Things Lily dislikes about Pokemon: 1. The postgame 2. The story 3. The strategising aspect of battles 4. The antagonist 5. The rivals 6. The non-battle focused mechanics 7. The new pokemon 8. Game Freak’s intended design 8. Anything other than the first game in a generation What she does like about Pokemon: 1. Gardevoir
1:04:50 Fun fact: If you pay attention to Olympia’s dialogue, you’ll notice that all of her lines are written in a 5-7-5 syllable pattern. In short, she speaks in haiku format at all times.
The 'problem' with Sun and Moon has never been power creep. Everyone's stats are the same as always, base stat totals aren't going up, and new moves get added to old Pokemon all the time. The issue is that it's just a slower more attack-focused area. There's a lot of big bulky Pokemon that have tricky abilities or setups, and if you're not able to out-speed or one-shot things then you're going to struggle if you're using a mid-speed special wall with shit for health and defense. That description applies to MOST of Lily's team, honestly. Just tons of okay low-Defense Pokemon all around, and then she loses her mind when something with enough bulk to survive a moonblast shows up and makes her regret her decisions. She's got one strategy. She complains about it being bullshit when it works, and she complains about the game being broken when it doesn't. There's no winning, and I genuinely hate this super toxic mindset where Lily refuses to acknowledge when she's doing anything wrong.
I love SM, but she's an idiot if she thinks they're broken, the first time I played was when I started making my own team to use for story, and the only person I struggled with (two Water types and two Ghosts ln my team and an Alolan Raichu, go figure) was, pause... Kukui with Decidueye, and it was only a few tries because Decidueye was a murderer.
It's ironic because that was her exact criticism of garchomp. If you survive a hit you can kill it. We'll when you go up against things that can survive a hit, don't be surprised when it can probably dish it back just as hard.
Lily complaining the game is too punishing on her Raltz/Kirlia is my Roman Empire. Especially in Gen 6 where it’s early anyways. You can’t call this a complete retrospective when you are openly not engaging with the game on its own terms. I’ll be the first to defend mods and cheats in games, but there’s a time and a place. If you want to be an authority with your reviews, you have to actually review the games. Like, not only is Raltz a pokemon designed to be weak early on and become good later, but some of the games she hacks it into aren’t balanced around Raltz being there. Or worse, are balanced in a way that expects her to try at all. Gen 5 (and Gen 7) was made harder by the fact that early on there’s several physical dark types, alongside bulky a psychic type and a psychic/flying dual type, meaning stab physical dark moves were a necessity in balancing, but Raltz is too squishy to deal with that well. In Gen 6, you’re expected to be playing with exp share and you have access to several fairy types early on, so of course the game is going to have counters to your underleveled, frail fairy type. Then later, it isn’t built for mega Gardevoir to be sweeping. The game trying to give you even a little fight, and you’re ignoring it. You can say what you will about Gen 6 scaling if you actually play it as intended, but you can’t deliberately make it harder and then have a tangent about how tedious it was to get up to snuff, followed by complaining about how op you are for cheating. If you personally don’t like pokemon games that don’t let you have an early Raltz, or make you work for limited items, or have high shiny odds, then ok. That’s your opinion. But if you’re doing a retrospective you have to engage with those mechanics anyways, even if you go on to say you don’t like them. And preferably, you also talk about why other people like it and what the design intent was because this is supposed to be a *complete* retrospective. I suppose that involves having empathy for others’ experiences and being able to engage with any media that isn’t coffee shop AUs tho, so I see why Lily would struggle.
Blackadder: Well, since she’s playing Gen 8 on official hardware, she can’t hack Ralts in as her starter. Prince George: Well, hurrah! Blackadder: So instead, she imported one from Pokémon Home. Prince George: Hurrooh.
The thing that confuses me is that she started with raising a Ralts as her starter, instead of using Gardevoir early. If she wants to sweep, why not start with a full Evo early?
I never used ralts on my playthroughs due to it being so hard to level up and it gets outclassed by many other pokemons in the same niche, it's pretty good as support tho ngl
" 'Lily, why do you always assume that?' It's an anime game, guys!" Holy crap, I'm facepalming so hard right now. LILY. JESUS. It's fine to make edgy jokes, but do you even realize how bad it looks to DOUBLE DOWN on the jokes about sexualizing children??? Just holy shit, I can't even with this person. If you see an anime made for kids and your first instinct is to make jokes about them being touched while doubling down on how you're the one in the right, then maybe you're the problem here. This just went from weird and lazy to actually kind-of sus REAL fast!
Lily just assuming that all anime protags have to be 10 years old feels wrong in the entirely different direction. Hell I could have sworn that the protagonists of Gen 6 (and 5) were meant to at least be teenagers already. Still wrong to sexualize, but weird from her nonetheless.
you know, for someone who really loves that one pokemon she really has not grasped what the gimmick is with it. it is a weak crybaby that grows up to be strong. complaining that the weak form is weak is just so silly
Exactly. There's a reason why that Pokemon is associated with Wally, especially from the ORAS remakes onwards. It's basically his character development symbolized through his first Pokemon.
What I don't get is... she hashacked the game to only play with her favorite pokemon and skips all the parts she dislikes, and... she still doens't enjoy the game? That is puzzling to me.
Whenever Lily hacks in the Ralts to replace a starter, I just groan. It’s especially egregious when it happens in games where you CAN catch Ralts, either slightly later, OR IN AN EARLY ROUTE like with XY (the one before first going to Lumiose City). And I’m dreading to see her do that shit again in SV… when Ralts is on the first/second route.
@@GravityFaiz Exactly. I adore Eevee, but half of the fun is catching them in the wild! Even if I have Pokemon Home and a few of them I could just transfer to have in my initial team of any Pokemon game, I don't because... well, then I wouldn't be playing the game! Sure, sometimes it's hard as hell to find one, but still, it makes it better when I finally do!
I guess she just wants a sandbox where she can run around with her glass cannon celery waifu. Also of course she Isn't going to like a story when she's not actively engaging in the story.
It actually angered me to no end in the XY playthrough. Because she replaced Froakie, meaning Calem would have Chespin and thus be weak to Psychic moves when he evolved his starter.
Lily out here not getting why shinies are a rare collectable in this collecting game. Also, what's her beef with Hop? She hates him for being one note and happy, but liked all the friends in Gen 6 due to being uncomplicated and chipper in every interaction.
I feel like Lily is a textbook contrarian. People liked the rivals of Gen 8 more than the Gen 6 rivals and Hau? Obviously they must be bad then. Hell, by her own admission Hop and Barry had the exact same traits that Nemona does in Gen 9 but because the fandom made memes about Nemona being a stalker she exaggerates their traits to hate on them.
Lily wants to be celebrated for having independent thoughts, but it's far easier to simply say the opposite of what everybody else says and say _that_ is your opinion, so she proudly states barely hidden contrarianism in hopes of being beloved.
I'm fairly certain the disdain for gen 5 that lily has comes entirely from spite. She has this pattern of behavior of projecting what she dislikes about particular people onto the things they gush over.
@@TooBeefy It’s almost an inherent disdain for other people’s enjoyment. Steven Universe wasn’t even a huge series, but god forbid anyone likes it. Legend of Korra though? Oh, no there’s a ton of value in its writing and she’s feels more intelligent for believing so. It’s definitely closer to some kind of “moral high ground”, except based solely on her own frame of logic.
I mean… iirc, joshscorcher DID put Gen 5 on his Top Ten Overhated Games list several years ago and I think that plenty of people online know about the nasty falling out between Josh and Lily. Heck, given that Josh ALSO put Gen 6 on his Top Ten Games That Fell From Grace list, I can’t help but get the impression that Lily is holding herself back from calling him out by name during that entire segment of her video, particularly during the ending.
Of course lily’s gonna imply Lusamine having a uniquely feminine motivation is fucking sexist. Side note, as a green eyed blonde women with an abusive mother who impressed her standards upon me - I deeply related to pkmn lily and her struggles with Lusamine to the point that Lusamine is my favorite Pokémon villain and Lily is my favorite rival.
@@Zorothegallade-rpg yes! There’s so much depth to Lusamine as a villain and lily/gladion’s relationship to her. It was some of the best writing to come out of Pokémon in recent memory
Lily Orchard being so proud to prove Butterfree isn't a bad pokemon only to complain she get one-shoted every fight is SO hilarious to me lmao. AND I'M WRITING THIS COMMENT RIGHT AS THE ATTACK THE SEA CUMCOMBER PLUSHIE AND I WILL NOT TAKE THIS SLANDER! I LOVE THIS POKEMON AND I WOULD LOVE A BIG PLUSHIE OF IT AND WOULD USE IT AS A PILLOW!
Hey, Butterfree go stand up to the move that distorts reality and sends millions of ghost hands towards you. OMG! You died from that?! How?! Game is garbage 0/10. Even a Pokemon with decent defenses can take a Z-Move.
I find it funny how Lily talks about Gardevoir, because it's the same way competitive players talk about Quagsire. Except Quagsire is glorified for having bad stats while taking out the top treats of the game, while Lily glorifies Gardevoir for creepy reasons. (For they not in the know: Quagsire happen to have a good match up against much the top niche of physical set up sweeper)
For casual play I prefer Vaporeon as my water tank of choice (Acid Armor and Rocky Helmet go hard against phys attackers) but the Sires are just too good to pass up. Good thing the Clod lets you slot both in the party while avoiding type redundancy.
She probably hack ot herself. Make a legit shiny (Bunnelby), which is very hard to find in the wild faints, hacks in a shiny anyways "Big Brain" logic.
Lily sounds like a pure contrarian. She doesn't like any battle unless she can sweep, and then she'll complain that it was easy when she does. She criticizes the writing without reading any of it. She doesn't explore routes. She hacks in pokemon. She doesn't like hunting for pokemon, especially legendary pokemon. She even ranted that she should have the option to just skip through sections of the game by saying "no" when they ask for story engagement. I would advice her to just play a rom hack of the games instead, but they would likely require her to do more than sweep with Gardavoir.
She's just scraping for relevance now that everyone knows what she did, and figured the cheapest way to do so was shitting on Pokémon in the style of the caustic "I hate everything about this" critics that haven't been current since the 2010s
Even as someone that actually likes Gen 6 Lily's praises of it mostly come off as someone trying to be contrarian for the sake of rage bait, especially when she insults those that hold Gen 5 in high regard.
Would it be unreasonable to extrapolate that Lily is racist against white people based on her calling Gladion a “Hitler Youth” literally just for being blonde? Like, that’s the only reason I can think of for why she would make that comparison: she sees a white boy with blonde hair, she thinks of Nazis. I know she can’t separate reality from fiction, but come on! This isn’t nearly as bad as her takes on Hunter or N (who were both unambiguous victims manipulated by cult leaders), but it is part of a broader trend of hers. According to her, Arthas isn’t a tragic fallen hero but an inevitable villain from the start, and Anduin isn’t naively altruistic but a sanctimonious hypocrite. I don’t know what she’s said about Astarian from BG3, but I’m not surprised she hates him too. And let’s not even get in to Steven Universe (the character). The only white male character I can think of that she likes is Andrew Graves, the sociopath with a sister complex who Lily thinks is blameless (and openly equates herself to).
Lily is a self-hating white, but I also feel like she is the kind of person who totally was some 4chan anti-sjw before coming out as trans and basically just jumped ship out of opportunistic reasons and to conform with the new peer group she created herself on tumblr, so she still embodies alot of these attitudes and limited perspectives.
She's also very racist towards black people too, acording to her Steven Universe is racist because of some of the caharacter designs and none of the black people envolved with the show realized
My favourite part of this whole thing is Ant getting convinced by chat about Sycamore / Lysander to the point of agreeing when someone in chat goes "Sycamore has a boyfriend" when he asked chat about who's hotter between Kukui and Sycamore. Absolutely beautiful I love it
Because it has paper for defense. Even with her one strategy (Gardevoir with +6 Sp. Atk and Sp. Def from Calm Mind), it's a victim to Poison, Steel and Ghost types that are physical. Especially if the opponent outspeeds, bulky asf, avoids the attack, or has a Focus Sash
29:39 Gen 1, 2, and 6- Snorlax is blocking the way and you need to wake it up. Legends Arceus- An Alpha Snorlax is blocking the way and will obliterate anything it sees.
Lily bitching about damage values when Lily was using Pokémon with shit defenses against a boosted School form Wishiwashi that has 140 PhAtk and SpAtk while using water moves during rain is both bullshit and hilarious.
@@sachicocoa9013She was heavily relying on Kirlia (from what I saw) & she kept trying to do her set up strat which doesn’t really work well in many of the Totem fights.
I will give you a summary of three houses she would like Edelgard because girl boss, she would hate Dimitri for being “edgy,” and she would be okay with Claude and complain on how long the story is and skip important cutscenes for no reason
@@brendan192045 She would say that Dimitri is the most despicable character in existence just because he's blonde and white. Also she would ignore the fact that everyone in three houses is morally grey and will reduce Edelgard's whole character to " UwU badass lesbian " or say she's boring just to be contrarian. I don't think she would even bother with Claude at all tbh 😭😭😭
- Skips all cutscenes - Gives all stat boosters to Edelgard - Refuses to train up more than 4 units - Complains when characters die - Doesn't replace dead units - Complains about chapters 6 and 11 for taking away Edelgard - Misses the conditions for the Crimson Flower Route because she skips the support conversations and the monastery - Complains about bad game design for being forced on the Silver Snow route - Mods the game to still have playable Edelgard - Complains that she can't marry modded Edelgard - "Three Houses storytelling is horrendous, the characters are one dimensional and the backstories of the characters never get explained. Also Dimitri is an edgelord." She probably would also gameover multiple times fighting the Death Knight while complaining about sudden difficulty spikes.
Lily: uses calm mind a few times, the lights turn on upstairs, immediately thinks it’s broken, and refuses to divorce herself from it *Don’t let anyone ever tell her what Guts + Facade does.*
@@Deoxys_Used_Mimic A Guts boosted Swellow smacking G with a Steel Wing is a funny as hell image. Almost as funny as N taking Lily’s Pokémon away with two Plasma Grunts after the latter loses to him at the Ferris Wheel (if only the the game hard resets after that loss so that her Pokémon wouldn’t slowly grow in levels)
@@Deoxys_Used_Mimic I’ve been playing Radical Red and I’ve managed to create 4 teams based on weather, with the Snow one having Gorilla Tactics Galarian Darmanitan, Rain with Mega Swampert, Ash Greninja, and Palafin, Sandstorm with Mega Tyranitar, Sand Rush Excadrill and Terrakion, and my final weather team of Sun featuring Gale Wings Talonflame, Drought Torkoal, the Charcadet evos, Chlorophyll Venusaur, and my Starter Charizard/Mega Charizard X. All 4 of these teams would obliterate Lily’s Pokémon into the center of the Earth.
@@GravityFaiz I can say the same with my 3 teams for Gen 9 #1: Quaquaval, Kingambit, Ceruledge, Tera Flying Raichu, Tera Electric Dragonite, Dudunsparce #2: Tera Normal Vaporeon, Skeledirge, Tinkaton, Salamence, Tera Fairy Gallade, Clodsire #3: Garchomp, Ceruledge, Meowscarada, Gyarados, Tera Poison Gardevoir, and Tera Ice Lucario All those three teams would beat the absolute fuck out of Lily's team, regardless if I was Champion or not.
@@echoshinola 12 days after I originally made those weather teams, and now I have the SV legendaries, Iron Valiant, Hisuian Liligant, Landrous Therian, and Mega Charizard X. This new team would just cream Lily’s frail Pokémon team.
Obsessing over Gardevoir being OP in Gen 6 might be the weirdest thing because it has the most objectively settled meta I've ever seen. Every single guy in the ORAS finals had a Mega Kangaskahn, a Primal Kyogre, and a Mega Rayquaza. If I remember right, most of them were running Xerneas, too. Those are four Pokemon specifically that were so busted they were universally used with the fifth and sixth slots being for counterplay. Now, granted, two of these are specific to ORAS and the other's an end-game Legendary. But also, Mega Kangaskahn is just a freaking problem and everyone knows it? Only weak to fighting, has 100 points in every stat except for 125 Attack, and every move hits twice at reduced power. This includes Fake Out, which hits instantly, always makes you flinch, and is a STAB move for this thing. So every single time you send him out you're guaranteed to get free damage. Which is a huge asset, especially if you out-speed them and can guarantee a turn 1 kill with the extra damage you just piled on. Also, Mega Blaziken. Free speed boosts on an already fast mixed attacker is nuts, and with just one turn of stat boosts it basically guarantees a sweep. There's also crazy stuff like Protien Grenenja making everything STAB, Drought Mega Charizard boosting fire while weakening one of their big weaknesses and helping your whole party, Mega Mawile... By comparison, Gardevoir has low Defense and HP. Which wouldn't be a problem, but she also has just alright Speed at 80. Which is fine if you're fighting a Special Attacker, but a lot of the time you're just not moving first, which is a huge problem because that means you might need to survive a lot of damage before you can actually do anything. Even with her Mega giving her more speed, it still starts turn 1 with her original Speed value, meaning you STILL need to survive that first hit well enough to keep going. And without any buffs to Defense from the new form, she's going to struggle against fast, hard hitting, Pokemon. Or, you know, against people with scummy turn 1 priority moves like Mega Kangaskahn or Talonflame. It's so weird for Lily to talk Gardevoir up so much when she's OBJECTIVELY just not that impressive. Maybe she could have figured this out beforehand, but she refuses to listen to competitive players, so it just comes off really ignorant and misguided because she's completely ignoring the obvious weaknesses here. It'd be like if I was like "No, Beedrill is the best Pokemon, see? He can poison things while attacking! That's so busted, and they even gave him a Mega, too! Come on, Gamefreak! What were you thinking!!!"
Tbf there are ways to play around gardevoir being such a glass cannon, I used to run a gardevoir in casual showdown stuff back during gen 6 and I found out pretty quick you needed either a workaround, or a way to let your gardevoir tank the first hit or you’re gonna be down a mon in at most two turns. There were also better fairy types in the form of Xerneas, sylveon, florges and azumarill. Lily glazing gardevoir feels extremely weird to me especially when you know her history with that Mon. It’s not in the fun “I know my Mon is a dumpster fire but I’m going to try to make it work” it’s just her making gardevoir out as the best Mon in general when it’s like decent at best.
@@GravityFaizthat’s the thing, that scizor isn’t in the main game as a challenge. That’s the problem. Gardivoir is OP for the single player because you are level 30 or over after the first two gyms so the low stats and slow growth are not as much of an issue and it’s meant to be a sweeper who can also tank with calm mind. Hell even Gallade is so op they have to put his stone later in the game so you don’t make one at level 20 and rip through everything. And it’s considered an early game pokemon which is the final kick in the teeth. Nindoking is similar in gen 1 at least cause you can have one at level 16, it’s only real weakness is water and psychic types, and it faster than most other ground types while depending on how you raise it can learn two auto kill moves. Horrible when you have a human opponent sure. But in the main game it means you barely if ever run into an NPC who can deal with it easily enough to be any sort of challenge outside you on purpose making it harder for yourself
@@thefandomdoe God, Fairy Typing made Azumaril so good... ORAS made me unironically go from "Who cares?" to "Holy shit, this is one of my new favorites!" super fast! Sure, Belly Drum is a bit unreliable. But if you can just heal with a Sitrus Berry and survive one round, it becomes such a menace!
@@dracocrusher Azumarill was and still is so much fun to use in casual comp (idk what the word for comp casual is) stuff and even main game. Like genuinely I had so much fun playing around with azumarill and working around stuff. I love playing and making new builds with azumarill so much.
The most annoying thing is Lilly only using frail, low leveled pokemon and then complaining the oponnenta hit to hard. Like I beat Nimona with a MASQUERAIN simply by using Intimidate and Quiver Dance.
Lily's complaints on difficulty hold zero weight because she hacked in a late payoff slow glass canon and then complaints that its not difficult just because everything can do more damage than her max hp. Your not supposed to have ralts as your starter lily. Stop complaining about a problem you made. No lily mega evolution is burst digivolution. Warp digimon is where you skip directly to your most powerful evolution rather than doing them one by one.
Or if you want to slot Ralts in your team at any cost, you catch some complimentary Pokémon that back it up. A bulky Water type to intercept Steel attackers. A Normal type to switch into Ghost moves. A Steel type to catch Poisons etc. But she either refuses to share the glory or is so lazy the entire concept of putting in effort to build a proper team is too much hassle for her.
Wait,I’m not at the “mega Evo = digiwarp”…wtf. I swear to god if lily ever makes a full Digimon video I am probably going to have an aneurysm with how bad faith her takes are.
Okay, I think she glosses over how unfinished Gen 6 feels in terms of how many obscure mysteries there are with literally no answers. The Couriway train leads to nowhere and there is an NPC saying she doesn't know where it leads, they cut a lot of stuff with Zygarde and put that into Sun and Moon instead, the Lumiose Ghost Girl just goes nowhere, the Lumiose Train Station has a note saying "meet me in the usual place" which goes nowhere, there are several locked doors in the Power Plant that go nowhere, and someone in the Yellow plaza of Lumiose mentions something about the "Lava dome Pokemon" while not having that go anywhere. Notice how there is just a ton of stuff that goes nowhere in X and Y that WOULD'VE been interesting main game or post game content, something Lily glosses over because she can't bother playing the game past the credits.
IIRC the "Lava Dome Pokemon" thing was a mistranslation. I think the NPC talking about this was just imitating Heatran noises for whatever reason. I dunno, I don't remember the specifics. I _would_ say I wish we got a remake of XY that would fix those unfinished secrets... but after BDSP I'm not sure if I can trusts the people that own the brand.
@@robertlupa8273 I mean, we are gonna get something related to Lumiose and the whole urban development. Also I feel like BDSP was made just to be barebones since Legends Arceus was the actual Sinnoh "remake", but they just gave ILCA an easy game to make to appease potential crybabies wanting "traditional" Sinnoh remakes. It's just how I see it based on the fact they made them super faithful and gave them to a non Gamefreak company to make
@@whichcache2517 PLEASE link me to this, I need to see a video of this! It would basically solidify that this ghost girl was nothing more than a creepy event that means nothing that people made endless speculation about
@@dorkenspache8353 I looked up “no you’re not the one pokemon masters ex” and found a video for it. Scroll down, and there’s a UA-cam short titled “No, you’re not the one… Be Careful of the Darkness Event - Pokémon Masters EX”. I’ll make a separate reply with the link so that this one won’t be marked as spam.
Very slight S/V spoilers IK she probably didn't, and I really REALLY don't want to support her by checking out the original video, but I hope that she tried to set up Calm Minds against Geeta's Espathra only for Opportunist to trigger.
Lily brand just reaks of that overly cynical and ironic era vibe. Where if she’s struggles it’s the games fault not her skill, if the cartoony character have more depth and she can’t understand it then it’s “try hard” even though she can’t look at the story based her biased perspective. This is nothing but complaint video, but says she loves Pokémon. She doesn’t she loves Gardevoir, She loves basic stories because she doesn’t have to pay attention. She doesn’t want a journey she wants a power fantasy where she’s one shots anything with her favorite Pokémon where everyone is cringe or annoying except for her, and if the game challenges her or the story has depth it’s just “Bad design” and not her being bad at the game or unwilling to try newer Pokémon or strategies. Not to say Pokémon is perfect, but it’s not what Lilys “ Critique” claims it is.
Also I still think some part of it is ragebaiting, idk what parts or how much but I smell that scent wafting about it to the point I feel like it has to be there, even if unconsciously on her part.
@@rotomfan63I refuse to think she _isn't_ ragebaiting in many parts of the video. I know Gen 5 isn't perfect, but her take on it just reeks of being a contrarian, like: "Oh, everyone loves Gen 5 and N, so it's automatically bad, the story is shit and N is a stalker debate bro youtuber". Or how "Oh this character beat me 7 times, this game is shit and broken" only to turn around like "Yeah and I cheesed it, it's way too easy, it's shit". Or her take on Silver and Gladion, how they're just edgy and she completely ignores their character arcs and how they're the type of characters to have pokemon that evolve via friendship to show their development. I know there's probably more examples, but those come to the top of my head. You can't tell me she isn't just trying to get in people's nerves.
Noah Cadwell Gervais has made longer essays than her pokemon video. But while his scripts are very casual and often play by play, they are filled with interesting philosophical tangents that are spun off from the very content that he is engaging with, and he engages with the material on a philosophical and analytical level. And he gets to the point.
It’s very funny to me that Lily says things got gay with Shauna when her dialog is edited specifically to be *not gay* if you play a girl (never forget when Masuda said he wanted “elements of romance when playing as a boy and a deep friendship when playing as a girl”. Lily’s not *wrong* for saying it’s gay, it’s just very funny to say it on the rival that got straightified by Masuda himself
...How did her level 5 starter Ralts have confusion? Not only does she hack a Ralts into the game to replace the starters, but she actively seems to cheat in extra things for her Ralts as well, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that she also gave them naturally max IVs, preloaded with EVs, and a preferred nature at this point.
Only in Gen 7 does Ralts learn Confusion before Lv 5. Although I'm not surprised if Lily gave Ralts perfect stats and ability just so she lie about how Broken Gardivoir is.
Anthony's strategy talk reminded me that LILY TALKED ABOUT STATUS MOVES IN GEN 1!! Just when you think Lily couldn't get any dumber she FORGETS her own advice.😮💨
Personally, I think a lot of what you call out as failings of Team Flare as an evil team work in favor of it being a critique of fascism; Flare parallels the Nazis in some ways, and I think the groundlessness, aesthetic focus, and general ineptitude pull this together. This is not to say that X & Y are well-written -they lack a LOT, esp. imo with the rivals- but that Team Flare can at least be read to be a better team
I agree, they’re completely style over substance. And looking at the far-right elements gaining traction in France right now, Team Flare is a biting commentary. In similarity, they both have an appreciation for aesthetic over all, a fetishization for a mythical past they want to return to/future they want to create, and an utter misunderstanding of actual history and reality in general. (But honestly I feel like a lot of Flare’s actual ideology and personality is kinda locked into Lysandre, which is also fascistic with that whole strong man central figure concept, but also makes the rest of Team Flare, ironically, look dull and superfluous by comparison which is a shame.) Edit: Forgot to add this in but uh Death to Collaborators :3
That's really true. Team Flare obviously has a good base idea. Everything in XY has a good base idea. It's just that XY are kinda "scrapped content the game" where I can see a world where Flare is a more interesting team.
I'm not surprised that Orchard doesn't like being challenged in any game she plays. She doesn't like when the protagonists in non-interactive media suffer any serious conflict either. Same with how she consumes Pokemon's story. characters, and lore in as self-serving and shallow way as possible. She's not a fan of Pokemon IP, she's a fan of a few monster designs that happen to be in Pokemon, and otherwise would never have cared about the franchise without Butterfree and Gardevoir.
I was watching when you were live. I'll try not to be as long with this comment because I said mostly everything I wanted to say in my previous comment. Think of this is more of an epilogue lol. Not trying to be mean or anything but Lily is bad at Pokemon lmfao. She complains about damage values being too high but in all her team she gravitates towards sweepers with horrible defense stats/types. Instead of realizing that and using more bulky Pokemon she wants damage values to be tweaked to her benefit. While we're talking about gameplay I don't understand she considers Gardevoir to be this super broken Pokémon when historically speaking, it's not. It has type coverage out the ass and it has pretty impressive special attack and defense stats but it's in the death speed tier where it's too slow to be a sweeper but too fast to be a reliable trick room mon. There's a lot of Pokemon that didn't need a mega but Gardevoir is not one of them. In fact I'd argue that it was one of the Pokemon that needed to buff the most. Finally I hate the fact that she belittles Gamefreak for shit that isn't even their fault. She blames Gamefreak release schedule for why the games are undercooked instead of you know, TPC and Nintendo for putting them on those tight deadlines in the first place. I had to leave when she brought up dexit cuz it's a sore spot for me and I definitely don't want to hear her whack-ass takes on it. To reiterate what I said on my last comment what does she even like about Pokemon? She doesn't like the gameplay unless she's one shotting everything, she doesn't like the characters, she doesn't like the story, she doesn't doesn't interact with the lore, she doesn't like shiny Pokemon, she doesn't like competitive, hell she doesn't even seem to like most of the Pokemon outside of Gardevoir and Pokemon that looks similar to it. So I have to ask? Why is she playing a game series she clearly doesn't like?
For views/money, I guess? I don't think it's even to seek enjoyment out of seeing people cry over her contrarian opinions, because she can't take criticism at all.
Here's the thing. I think she likes the IDEA of Pokemon. Of going on a journey with her colorful creatures and exploring the world. But she doesn't like PLAYING the game, especially if she's being railroaded. In her mind, the ideal Pokemon game would be going on an adventure on her own terms and exploring the world and playing with her Pokemon. Some people have described it as "Lily wants a walking simulator" but I think it'd be more accurate (And realistic) to say that Lilly's ideal Pokemon experience would be more akin to Skyrim or something. A game where you can put the story on the back burner and ignore it in favor of exploring the world. (If you recall, Lilly wasn't as irritated during Red and Blue when the story was bare-bones. It's once she got to Gen IV and the stories started taking itself more seriously she started getting angry) Consequently, she ends up liking Pokemon on a surface level and misses the deeper nuances behind the gameplay, the lore, and of course, the story.
28:00 Gardevoir is teratophile bait the same way a vampire is. Like, that's just a slightly weird looking humanoid creature that abides by conventional human beauty standards. Lily's tastes in 'monsters' are weak and she could not handle anything spicier than an elf. Or an mlp character on a good day
Man, I'm so damn mad because Lily's art style (if that's hers) is really good, and she draws a really cute Gardevoir, but then if you actually know her webcomic and a very specific thing that gardevoir did then it just stops being cute. And like Lily if you weren't such a garbage person and stopped writing such questionable stories you'd be able to get big on tumblr! It's literally never too late to stop but she's bent on digging as deep as she can.
The most annoying parts is when she’ll make a statement that, on its own and completely separate of context, I would completely agree with or at least have no problem with, but she says it in such an aggravating, caustic, or irritating way that I suddenly devolve into a 2016 skeptic UA-camr (aka the lowest form of human intelligence).
From gens five onwards, especially in gen 7 Lily claims she’s respectful of people’s culture and native identity but SHE FULLY DISREGARDS HAWIIAN/POLYNEASAN CULTURE AND FOLKLORE! For someone who seems to really like Disney or at the least kingdom hearts you’d think she’d know something. No. She ignored the significance of the setup of Unova as a region based on New York City, she IGNORED THE ARTISTIC HISTORY EASTER EGGS OF X AND Y! AND *SHE HAS NO IDEA THAT ALOLA HAS POKÉMON BASED ON YHR VERY REAL AND TRAGIC ISSUE OF INVASIVE SPECIES THAT MAKE HAWAII KNOWN AS THE EXTINCTION CAPTIAL OF THE WORLD!* All she does is take without crediting the words of people who are just as misinformed and uncultured as her who run around pretending to be a martyr for an identity and people, CLAIMING TO BE ABOVE HATE AND APPROPRIATION WHILE BEING THE MOST OFFENSIVE PERSON! Lily your hrny jokes are horrible and I’m starting to think you’ve never seen a woman’s nothing (using Shakespearean language for this… “much ado about nothing” THERES VIDEOS TALKING ABOUT THIS! Back to my point!) I’m not a native nor do I ever claim to be, while I do hold value and respect to my ancestry that spans from mostly Irish and Slovakian, but American born. I do my best to be informed and appreciate other peoples background! And Pokémon is what started this for me and I’m sure many others! I would wager that if at some point pokemon released a game that involved indigenous American culture or even region, Lily would still miss the point and insult a culture she proclaims proudly as being part of and disrespect everything about it
Its super fucked up because this is one of these things we should sincerely applaud Gamefreak for, they understand their status as this very global cultural icon that people all around the world hold dear and started to creat games that are much more diverse and offer representative of different ethnicities.
LIlly doesn't actually care about people's cultures or native identity, it's all grandstanding for the "character" she's built as an ally of minorities so she can take advantage of young, vulnerable women sexually.
I loved G6, personally, ORAS especially. I acknowledge that it, alongside G8, has problems, but I enjoyed it anyway. I know that's a VERY controversial opinion, though. I liked G7, but didn't play much of it. Once I'm done with getting the Perfect Pokedex in Arceus, I'm planning on doing the same for the whole series myself, because RP wise, I want my efforts in Arceus to retroactively have impact.
If this taught me anything is that Lily Orchid is the kind of person that acts like a professional game critic... But has played nothing but 2d or 3d platform games in her entire life, in other words, games you can finish in more or less a weekend and are not very deep in terms of story. That's the only scenario where her criticisms could be potentially valid, because in a more demanding game like an RPG, these complains just seem idiotic.
"The protagonist needs to have dialogue or these stories will ALWAYS ring hollow." Final Fantasy XIV would hard disagree with that. Turns out you can absolutely have an arc without having a character with a hard-written personality, you just need to project your own thoughts and feelings onto them as other people carry the specific details of the narrative.
I recently had an idea about a game, where the silent protagonist is silent because they are mute. They would have a defined characterisation, they just can't speak.
@@nobody4248 Reminds me of Caim in Drakengard. He literally can't talk, but you very quickly get the impression that he's a complete psychopath that loves killing people for the fun of it and people just happen to point him in the generally right direction a lot of the time. It's the most stereotypical silent fantasy protag ever, but he's DEFINITELY not devoid of personality!
every persona game also refutes this. iirc vaan in ff12 is also silent? pokemon colosseum tells its tale well enough without needing a speaking protag-and his entire look lends well to silence, and the girl who can see shadow mons who follows along very clearly is not speaking _on his behalf_ but in _spite_ of his stoic acting without pleasantries bullshit. i always got the impression that they are very distinct characters, not a silent protag + person acting as voice. at worst, the dynamic is meant to be that she is ignorant in order to fill in the player, who is playing as a character who is very aware of the plot that is brewing up. but they are distinct, it works and i never get the impression she exists as the real main whose story is the real story, tagging along with a player avatar just because... and i totally fucking get what lily is saying about lily in that segment. i disagree in the details. (aside: lmao at her suggesting even more dialogue, now including player chara, after spending probably 2 of 6 hours complaining about too much dialogue!)
@@russianbot8576 God, persona's such a good example. Just every single goofy dialogue option in P4 is great for characterization, and the more the game goes on the more you notice little things about how the MC reacts that make it really feel like part of their canon personality. And then when they did the shows they just leaned into that and it just makes perfect sense.
Bearth of The Wild also disagrees. Link doesn't utter a single word in the entire game yet the narrative works because Zelda is the focus of the memories, Zelda is the one who gets to change and grow as a character and to learn more about herself. Our role as Link is just to give Zelda a helping hand to defeat Ganon because the game needs to be a game. If you changed the ending of the memories from "Zelda trapped Ganon" to "Zelda defeated Ganon" you'd lose nithing narrative wise.
I got curious and read an archive of that "madhouse" comic you mentioned somewhere in the kalos section it was a lot tamer than I expected but it's definitely a perspective changer for her video
Also, you know all of those UA-cam videos that have people come up with their own Pokemon region? Being filled to the brim with so much lore and creativity... I would dread if Lily reacted to those type of videos. Heck, I would dread her reaction to my graphic novels for a Pokemon game concept I'm working on that crosses over with Final Fantasy that features a mechanic that has you join forces with another trainer and their Pokemon inspired by the Pair Up mechanic from Fire Emblem. Unlike other Pokemon mechanics, you need to work with the other trainer to build up a meter to unleash a team up attack. You can also form a bond with the other trainer outside of battle, plus if you have a Pokemon in the same egg group as theirs. They can even breed with one another. (You even use a Ditto if you want.)
@@sometijng LOL! As for who I would pick, if it was a seasoned voice actor from the 4Kids/Pokemon Company International dub. I pick Ted Lewis and he would use his Yami Bakura voice though not as evil sounding. However if I were to pick a celebrity voice actor, Tom Felton of Harry Potter fame.
The SWSH rivals pretty much got the shaft in the anime. Not only did Bede not appear at all, Marnie appeared like once, and Hop didn’t show up until the tail end and didn’t do a whole lot.
Where on earth did that thing about Nessa being 17 come from...? Isn't she supposed to be around the same age as Leon and Sonia, seeing as they all took the league challenge at the same time? Also where are any of these ages supposed to even come from? Like the only adult character from 8th Gen, whose age I know is actually stated in the game is Opal, who is 88 (though her quizz jokingly claims her to be 16).
@@jondoe7036 right? I know some characters look older/younger, but I have no idea where the supposed "official" ages came from? Opal is obvious, yeah, but everything else is ??? Was there any official statement in a magazine or book released?
I realise something with her Sun and Moon section. She wants to be an some unseen force telling Lillie what to do to so she can grow instead of being the support group helping Lillie with her issues more directly. It’s like asking for Joker to be removed from Persona 5 and instead you’re making everyone better because you’re god and you picked these random people to help with their issues Also Lily yes silent protagonist can be in very characters focused stories again just look at Persona, in those games the protagonist is pretty much completely silent except for a few voice lines and Persona can go on for 100 hours on your first play through and yet those games are still very engaging for people so they can work if the other characters and the game itself are engaging enough Also Sora as a silent protagonist sounds wonderful not because I dislike Sora of course not but because I just get to put my own commentary in the game and that sounds fun as fuck for a game like Kingdom Hearts
This comment probably would work better in the previous Lily Pokèmon stream, but it sometimes seems like Lily just hates abuse survivors who are men. The sheer difference in how she talks about Lillie and N is a pretty good example.
She knows N is a grooming victim but she doesn't care because making fun of grooming victims it's all good when you don't like them /s Like Jesus Christ
She can't fathom the idea that an abuse survivor could turn abusive themselves (N's rhetoric about forcibly separating Pokemon from their trainers, Lapis trapping Jasper with her underwater)... Gee... I wonder why that might be...
Lily has not played TWEWY and you can tell cause she only knows Beat from that KH cameo neither series fandom wanted and neither knew what to do with. Also she only calls Gladion that because he's white with blond hair even though his eyes aren’t even blue
Beat makes more sense as a Team Skull Grunt. Someone who's looking for acceptance, and only gets it from one person who he feels will only get dragged down by him if she "wastes time" worrying about him... Dang, Gen 7 and TWEWY are great.
@whichcache2517 Heck even a Gladion or Hugh comparison would work more. Gladion because siblings and Hugh because siblings and also LOSS related to that sibling
@@rotomfan63 *Lily didn't play B2W2 for the video, because she only plays one of the first games in the Generation, so she probably wouldn't know who Hugh is or what his story is, because she can't read text in video games made for babies*
Lily stop misunderstanding Digimon to compare it to other media challenge, difficulty impossible Girlie warp digivolution isn’t anywhere near equivalent to mega evolution, warp digivolving is specifically the English term for going from rookie to ultimate in one go. It’s more akin to going from Charmander to Mega Charizard in one go than just normal mega evolution. And why is Cosmog a digimon to her? Does she really just believe digimon is a pokemon knockoff that she just happened to think is better? I know she’s just trying to fill time and sound quippy but why that comparison? And it’s even worse in her other videos. Lily stop trying to be known as a digimon fan you’re making the actual fans look bad!
@@TheBonkleFox And even then only kinda. You can’t really apply their concepts to each other because they’re fundamentally different worlds. X-antibody is mega evolution but also regional variants and also the Protagonist Powered pokemon like Ash Greeninja and the partner Pikachu/Eevee. Cuz like Squirtle doesn’t mega evolve, Blastoise does, but Gommamon sure as hell X-antibodied. And the partner Pikachu/Eevee didn’t turn out Special because their power was needed or they needed to adapt like X-antibodies. And regional variants aren’t usually evolved into and tend to have bigger conceptual changes than any of the other categories. That being said that discussion is lost on Lily anyways because I’m pretty sure she’s only ever seen the English dub of the original anime and thus has no fucking clue what an X-Antibody is.
@@chickenelafsworld7105…she watched the dub?that explains a lot. The dub isn’t terrible but it isn’t anywhere near good either,especially when it comes to 02 and savers.
@@Chatterbox1237 it’s worse when she tries to make digimon seem exceptionally feminist with its portrayal of girls in the main cast while she’s a dub only watcher. One of the biggest crimes of the original Digimon Adventures dub was how it was way more misogynistic to Mimi. They went out of the way to make her a stereotype because she was the “girliest” of the main girls. Like making her super vain, her wanting to go to “cheerleading camp” instead of the outdoors camp everyone was at, and adding comment about how incompetent she is with tools she brought. The dub actively makes the show more misogynistic but she doesn’t seem to notice or care, because at least it still has the bare minimum of 2-3 main characters being girls and the girls being in different character archetypes. The dub also generally makes the writing less mature/complex and messes up continuity a lot because they didn’t know the plan. Like the Japanese dub set up Mimi being a good singer in one episode, the English dub made the joke that she’s a bad singer, and then lo and behold later on they needed Mimi to be a good singer for a whole episode’s plot to work.
@@chickenelafsworld7105 exactly!and then lily can’t even be bothered to read more direct translations online because “the translation they used is barely different ” or whatever and misses all the subtleties that from the Jp version that the dub took out!I remember reading a few essays on 02 and savers and how the dub massacred Masaru and daisuke,so if she came up with that conclusion with the DUB I don’t want her to even touch 02 or savers,not to even mention tamers.
i... actually agree with lily orchard on her point about gen 7 story and how in-game lily is basically the protagonist and that the story would be better served by not having a silent thousand yard stare player character separate from the story they clearly wanted to tell? like. i get silent protags when you are given dialogue tree options or have more autonomy within the happenings of the plot. hell, you bring up persona a lot-and i have my beef with persona games-but the silent protag in persona (within any SMT and children series/spinoffs for that matter) is perfectly _fine._ pokemon stories don't do this. i don't know _how_ to explain it, but the silence and linearity of plots in persona (/SMT) hits different. part of it is a sense of autonomy (persona largely gives you a time range and then allows you to allocate the segments of that range as you wish, for example), part of it is how in pokemon-esp with lily-you are constantly in 'catching up' dialogue with recurring characters despite being railroaded into interacting with them _a ton._ there is a lot of telling and only a little showing, and in all of it, you have seemingly zero influence narratively. persona, you get a lot more sense of influence-you are the leader of the group of persona users, you have all these relationship social links that improve in their own archs, etc. in SMT, you have a lot _less_ but in those games? being dragged along for the ride is kind of part of the mood. you are a nobody, with no followers, they are very isolating experiences. it hits different. i think, honestly, you _can_ have a silent protagonist in pokemon and a larger narrative and it works. pokemon colosseum works just fine. the main character is silent but has a direct tie to the plot happening, a motive to be involved that is established. but the motive of 'be the champion' has no ties to why you're dragged into most pokemon plots. so there is a strong sense of being dragged along for a plot you are given (oftentimes very) little reason to give a shit about. it interrupts you at frequent intervals, for a story that doesn't involve you actively and says 'no, you're supposed to be becoming the champion, _however_ there is this other thing'. i think what lily orchard said actually sounded surprisingly good. i think parts were problematic (lily can just be the default fem-presenting selections and shouldn't have to be blonde; lusamine and gladion can have alts to fit the default skin tones) and cutting out team skull is a serious oversight (this proposed protag lily would benefit from experiencing the anti-establishment group and also having to interact with people who _aren't_ wealthy, privileged and who have been forgotten and neglected to the point the _pokemon center_ is unmaintained....). but i genuinely think i would enjoy playing the character lily more than playing catch up whenever lily is on screen over and over again. i just disagree strongly here with you. and it may be because i have a hard time projecting onto a player char model who has a kinda vapid expression... but i just don't think it works for these larger narratives they very clearly want to tell with gen 5 and 7. i _do_ think that the skeleton concept lily orchard proposed _sounds_ more engaging and funner to experience. and i do think it also fixes the problem lily o also brings up about lusamine, because the framing of (player) lily is to see lusamine as _her mom_ and so the motive is filtered through her narrative lens about the person she understands her as. _i would add however_ that it's a children's game. so a protective mother figure or auntie type character who checks in on you as you travel who has been a support network for you from early childhood being established early on would be critical. i would make this kind of chosen family theme also be within the plot. i need more investment and a feeling of autonomy in these narratives. pokemon stories, esp the more complex ones, don't do that for me. they feel like they actively rip my autonomy in playing _away_ and don't even try to offer why i should be invested and not just pushing through to play the game again. what lily o suggested as a general idea (again, it can be tweaked to include a silent mc-see persona, pokemon colosseum) offers more of that investment and gives a sense of 'of course i would do this story beat, it's the next step in this character's narrative' far better than the plot of sun and moon currently. there is a huge benefit and skilled artform in crafting linear pathed stories but in a way where players _feel as if_ they chose to act in the ways they did on their own accord. the gen 5/7 stories _don't_ feel this way to me (or lily o, i presume) and _especially_ not when the way they enforce the path is by blocking my way by some fucking dickweed on a stoutland who i can't argue with or ignore despite me genuinely not giving a shit about his stoutland sniffing around or whatever.
by the way? for male-preferring players, gladion and lily can be swapped in the story depending on which character you choose. there is no reason why not. we could totally use an emo queen popping up to scoff at sensitive little bro. she'd be a big fan hit. i _promise._
I agree on this one. Idk if I would like to customize Lily and Gladion, tho. Changing clothes is one thing, but changing skin color to match mine? They are their own characters. Just making them the main characters would suffice. Maybe being able to choose the two, with different paths that meet later on in the story, like in some rpgs.
Idk I kind of disagree I feel like if we play as Lillie she’d already be halfway through her arc I mean, Lillie starts out as this nervous girl who’s too self conscious and afraid to do much of anything on her own (if I remember right it’s been a bit since I played sun and moon ); our actions inspire her to do something in her life for once! By making her a protag (and hence- a trainer by Pokémon standards) it would either go against her early game character with no real motivation to do anything- which would bring the ‘dragged along’ feel in a different way- or again, minimizing her character growth cause she’s already confident enough to make choices for herself. Though, if we stepped away from the trainer aspect I could def see it as a spin off game instead. (Or maybe the lets go games should’ve been her trainer journey! That would be cool)
@@ohfricc3260 I'd also say in the case of Pokemon, we have to acknowledge and consider its status as a game that is made for a child audience in mind, every Pokemon Game is basically made as one that could be a kids first entry into the series, letting them grow up with it. Lillies story works better through this lense, because it allows kids to insert themselves into the MC and see themselves as Lilys friend, who helps her to overcome her fears, which can be a very empowering experience, as this allows the audience to immerse themself as this supportive and strong friend to her. Lily can't see it because she does not want to immerse herself into the story or the world but also, because she has this very self-centered attitude where she feels like every piece of childrens media, as she doesn't consumes anything else, has to specifically cater to her tastes as a 30 year old groomer.
You can boil lily’s personality down to being miserable all the time, so everything about everything has a problem with it, even when it’s something she likes. Her need to be miserable outweighs her need to be consistent or have any good opinions about media.
Even if this is intentional rage bait this is like. REALLY embarrassing to attach your name to. "The problem is game freak didn't design the game correctly, super effective moves and typing shouldn't really matter, I should just be able to play the game with an underleveled team consisting of pokemon with low defense". Lily you are bad at the game. You are really really bad at the game. There is no "damage inflation", you are incapable of grasping things children can get. "It gets in the way of other strategies" no it doesn't, you just don't have very complex strategies that can account for weak defense pokemon and a lack of type advantages.
Also this is much more off topic but you mentioned the sims so I'm giving you engagement. Earning money to build bigger homes was never my favorite part of the sims. I will always get them in the game, hack in a bunch of money, spend hours building the house/apartment, and then play like it's a dollhouse. I do just like playing barbie dolls with my sims. I like making characters and playing around with them and getting them friends and sending them on weird wacky trips and adventures. Maybe Lily would have more fun playing the sims but with pokemon. Then again maybe she shouldn't get to play the sims but with pokemon I think she would be even weirder with her gardevior doll
1:21:52 Hey, uh, Lily, weren't you happy when the last game's tyrant verbally abused his adopted son? 1:47:21 OH, SO YOU _ARE_ AWARE OF IT!? 1:58:04 It's almost as if it's a Role-Playing Game - y'know, a game where you're meant to play a ROLE in a STORY?
She complains so much about her pokemon being one hit but doesn't even consider her pokemons stats are the issue. Maybe don't use a glass cannon if you dont want your pokemon to faint in one hit
Actually have to give that fact about not necessarily knowing what Shinies are during gen 2 to Lily. Since it was a fan term not officially used until gen 4. So if you were one of the many folks playing the most popular RPG ever and also didn't have a lot of Internet access back then, or no one in your friends group did, then unless you encounter one your self the game easiest assumption the red Gyarados was a unique encore. At least there's a good reason for Lily to think that. As a fraction of us believed just that.
a lot of pre-'shiny' terminology used the phrase 'alternative colour pokemon', esp in guidebooks and the like at the time. there wasn't any official phrasing from the company. however, there are npc dialogue that refers to seeing pokemon that are different or alternative colours. it is often the interact-text after the trainer has been flagged as battled, so it is easy to miss. i _want_ to say the dialogue for gen 2 is said by a character on the way to lake or rage or on the mountain scale south of blackthorn. i can't verify for sure, but i think 'oddly coloured pokemon', 'alternative coloured pokemon' or 'different colour pokemon' (usually also with context referring to them as very rare in one way or another) is given to at least one NPC per game from GSC onward. the wording used per game is how they got referred to in quality guidebooks (ie versus books) when referenced! unfortunately? it is still really easy to read that text as fluff text that is just rumour if you don't know. so like, i want to be clear: i wouldn't blame anyone for thinking red gyara is a unique oddity. but it took one kid among the group to hear about it on 1999 serebii or in the guidebook/magazine to spread it out quick.
1:22:54 So, she has played B2W2 and still doesn’t understand the story. Also, funny this is a retrospective look at Pokémon and she mentions Iris being a Pokémon champion but doesn’t say what game. Hmmm, that's very suspicious to me. Like if you didn’t play B2W2 for this retrospective than don't talk about B2W2 champion. Cause if I was someone who never played Pokémon and only watched this, I would be confused on how Iris is a Pokémon Champion. Since Alder is the Champion of the one gen5 game she "reviewed".
Can confirm, nobody was against Dexit because "Screw Charizard". It's because they cut out most of the cast and all we got were the same weak reused animations from way back in Gen 6. They're STILL recycling those same weak reused animations from Gen 6! X AND Y CAME OUT IN 2013!!!! It'd be one thing if the game actually looked or felt like work went into the new animations and stuff to make up for this, if the environments and everything were just a way better experience. But it's not? The main selling point of the franchise just took a hit for very little in return. That's why nobody really complains about the Dexcut for Legends Arceus, a game that actually did a lot of new stuff, but we're still mad about it in Gen 9. Because people are only fine with a big change like that if you give them something good to make up for what was lost.
I mean, people didn't have a problem when the Colosseum games or Battle Revolution reused old models or animations, but I guess that's on me for being a stupid, brain-dead apologist shill r×××rd for not condemning Sword and Shield - oh, sorry, POKEMON SHIT AND SHILL- with every fibre of my being. Sorry, but I'm just so tired of people treating others like they have something mentally wrong with them for not treating the games as well as GameFreak and anyone who even remotely enjoys them as these irredeemable stains on the world who deserve every horrible thing in the world, and I say this as someone who's been on the receiving end of this behaviour, including having someone try to act on what they perceived as 'righteous justice' for daring to speak out about the toxicity that some people within the more critical side of the fanbase has engaged in, including outright antisemitism! The vitriolic reaction to the games was disproportionately atrocious and I will stand by that.
That’s the point of the Pokémon too, best shown with Wally. Your first battle with him he only has his weak and frail Ralts. Then the next/last time you battle him, he has ana actual teams, and his partner had fully evolved into a capable Gardevoir/Gallade, showing their growth while the player was dealing with Team Magma/Aqua. Storytelling without explicitly stating it.
Lily had some points in the gen 2 part of the video. Pokemon like Houndour didn't need to be after the Elite 4. There are some that are just too weak to even try to grind back up to worthwhile levels. And by the time she got to gen 5 she's just rage baiting and cheating the games (while still not recognizing the actual mechanical problems of each game because she's just forcing Gardevoir, a very middling pokemon, into every interaction with a pokemon game after gen 2.) This entire video has just devolved into wish casting playthroughs of games that don't exist while completely failing to understand mechanics made for 6 year olds and calling it a "retrospective."
I think its really funny how lily says "the age old addage of slap black on anything and it makes it edgy and better" but then later on we see shes dressed her character in all black. Projecting there a little, Lily? 😂
I think the main reason she hates the Totem fights so much is because they require her to rethink and change her "broken" Calm Mind/Reflect strategy with Gardevoir. And she doesn't want to do that. For example, that strategy won't work well against Totem Mimikyu because it's faster than Gardevoir and is a Ghost type that specializes in Physical attacks...which doesn't bode well for Gardevoir since it has paper thin Physical Defense and a weakness to Ghosts. And that's not even taking the stat boost it gets at the start of the battle into account! In other words, sending out Gardevoir first (as her footage shows) is not a good idea. Cause it doesn't stand a chance unless you overlevel it (which we know she won't do cause she hates grinding). And even then it would probably still get one shot. If she wants to play the game that way, fine. But blaming the game for her inability to adapt and change up her strategy is asinine. Its not because of "increased damage values" Lily! Your simply not adapting your strategy and your being punished for it. Simple as that!
I love how lily gushes over how overpowered and "broken" gardevoir is yet constantly whines about the game still somehow being "too hard" lmao which is it??
I think a pokemon game with 1025 mons in it would make the game lag af, so i kinda get especially now why they decided to not include every pokemon in gen 8 and 9
Plus, imagine for most of the people who can’t afford all of the games and Pokémon Home. There would be no way to complete the National Dex for the Shiny Charm.
its ridiculous how much she complains about enemies being too strong when every time she's like 2-5 lvl below them like idk you're hacking game already just idk cheat x2 exp or something so you don't have grind and save time when you're playing for making a video
Right? Like, how can you cheat and still be this underpowered? 13 y/o me who cheated the pokemon he liked in the game at least grinded a bit, or used the level up candy cheat-
Hearing her talk about “damage scaling” and “inflated damage” is so funny, because Pokémon doesn’t do that. Instead of realizing that her team has exploitable weaknesses she’s refusing to play around, she just accuses the game of cheating
@@robertlupa8273 omg yes. The exp share being full party gives you so much freedom in building your team that, even if you want to swap around most of it, you can still have a decent level among them if you just bother to grind a little. And with the battle house in an early route, it's just really easy. Lily just wants everything served on a silver platter for her, just so she can complain about it
I made this comment before 38:10 Basically says what i have here except for the art parts - Modding or cheating in a single player game is fine, I've done it myself for achievements and shit. But when the point is looking back on something to see how it's developed and replaying to see if it holds up, It feels contradictory to the entire point of a retrospective. Plus the skit's joke justifying(?) that item cheat it is just "Wife mad that their partner won't or can't do ___ so partner gives in cause threats". Ah yes, i love old sexist sitcom humor in a video about using the fact that we have the eyes of the future to look back at something in a new light and deconstruct it. I think others have said this as well, but it's just so clunky, you barley use art everywhere except for now? Maybe have some art of you reacting to story shit with your avatar in the MC's place sometimes so it's not so jarring? If you love these games draw something or have a speedpaint in the comer of you and your current gen team, ANYTHING that includes your art so when it's now a skit it's not like a animated cutaway gag in a live action documentary
Does she honestly believe the CPU has bonus stats? Only the player gets the EV stat boost. The player has so many advantages over the CPU, and yet she is struggling from regular trainers.
I mean it’s clear that she doesn’t fight any of the trainers since she is so severely under leveled in nearly every major battle the only one that is remotely close is her Gardevoir who is still lower leveled than most of the other Pokemon
Diantha is like the second worst champion in the series... only beat out by GEETA!!! She's so booooriiing like she'd be more interesting if she did something! of course Lily likes her and hates the top tier mommy Cynthia Figured it was Thicc Wicke lol Also don't compare Xion to Lily poor girls been through enough already and Persona is heavily focused on story and has a silent protag
Can we have ONE video where Lily DOESN'T includes political talk into her scripts? I don't mean just the conservative trash talk, ALL political trash talking and projecting! Like Lily constantly projecting a political leaning on certain characters is insufferable!
3:33:45 _"(...) because I'm determined to make you all have a much worse opinion on me by the end of this project."_ And you did a _damn_ good job on that, Lily.
Remember guys: you’re a creep if you’re have an uncomfortable relationship with your Pokémon, but Lily is perfectly okay to have one with Gardevoir!
Imagine living by a double-standard
I almost want Gen X to drop the Ralts line from its Regional Dex just to see Lily throw the biggest tantrum ever.
Ofc it has to be a gardevoir😭
@@colonelmustang854I'll enjoy that.
I can see doting and adoring a Pokémon (I have so much adoration for my Mawile, Fangs), but it's... off putting and feels a little wrong to be... THAT close to your partner.
@@Magma-Idiot-2001 The fact that she couldn’t wait TWO GYMS before catching a Ralts in Platinum… heck, the fact that she couldn’t wait until ROUTE 4 in Y…
Like, my Nidoking, Kaiser, was a staple on my team in FireRed, but I’m not gonna hack the game to get a Nidoran as my starter. And I still used my other Pokémon. ESPECIALLY my starter (I had a Charizard that I named Helios).
It's so weird to hear Lily talk about Sun and Moon because there's clearly this whole theme of acceptance and found family, and it's all about how we can live with things that are different and accept change. It's such an inherently core part of the queer experience, that no matter what they do to this island or how outcasted people feel, you're still you and you can keep going in spite of everything.
And she looks at all of that and just rejects and ignores all of it for the sake of making cheap jokes.
Well I'm not surprised she did the exact same thing with N. Genuinely these things go over her head and if the allegations against her are true that kinda explains her mentally on these subjects.
Also that the Pokémon are based on some of the environmental biosphere history of the islands
From native plants and animals, Pokémon that were brought to help with cultivation but later added to the destruction (mongoose aka yungoos and gumshoos) the many unique bird species especially oricorio! The adaptation to environment with the regional variants! And the pollution and conservation message of the game!
The Ultra Beast are based on some invasive species to Hawaii too!
@@mr.protagonist5639 I don't want to go after someone for stuff like that without hard proof just in-case.
But, uhh....
Yeah....... If someone WAS an abuser then it'd make way too much sense for them to keep downplaying abuse.
Every time she talks about anything to deal with this she doesn't talk about how serious it is or show sympathy to the victims. She consistently throws them under the buss or uses it as a chance to shit-talk her sister.
Not going to say it's a thing for sure. But it REALLY feels like the way someone would act if they're guilty and they just don't feel a lot of empathy towards people in that type of situation.
@@dracocrusher she only cares about family if skinship is involved
She constantly talks about how Found Family is the best family trope but regularly shits on it when it's offered up to her on a silver platter
Remember kids. One shotting is bad unless I’m the one doing it.
Lily wants a power fantasy in Pokémon, but whenever it introduces a road block (N beating her 7 times at the Ferris Wheel) Lily complains like DSP.
She does say it's boring on either end at some point
Lily even says when she one-shots it’s boring. Does she want Pokemon to be a boring struggle fest?
@NintendoMeister2260 no , she wants it to be a Gardevoir dating sim
@@donovanlocust1106 Oh, right. That’s probably why she prefers Pokemon Amie in X/Y over Camping in Sword/Shield since you can directly touch and pet your Pokemon. Lily tried to act self-aware in her weird obsession with Gardevoir but if she was she wasn’t doing a very good job at it.
"Why do you have all my pokemon?" Because Oleana as a character is someone who takes care of a lot of her superficial beauty, yet shes rotten on the inside. kinda like you, Lily. No wonder you gravitate towards the same pokemon.
@@Dana_Brain Oleana has her starter, a Garbodor that's been with her since she was a child on the streets
That's right, even Oleana's team still shows actual empathy and humanity, Lily's doesn't
@@eugenideddisGarbodor is pulling double duty with the metaphor
Jeez, imagine a sentient garbage bag being more empathetic than you? Lily should just retire now.
Boom! Roasted :P
@@eugenideddisWhen Lily went through Gen 5, she said “Trubbish is cute & a very well designed Pokémon.”
So I wouldn’t be surprised if Oleana and her could relate to each other.
Their personalities reek and overbloated to a gargantuan scale that is an irredeemable mass…
So she hates how long the dialogue is, hates how long the fights are, dislikes grinding, dislikes proper team building, hates exportation, and hates the side characters and their story arcs. WHY IS SHE EVEN PLAYING POKEMON THEN?!
Don't get me started how she keeps hacking in a Ralts to replace one of the starters.
Which is HILARIOUS because Pokémon is short by rpg standards. Pokémon games are usually only about 20-25 hours. I have to imagine how aggravating it would be to listen to her complaining about longer rpgs.
Compared to some RPGs out there, Pokemon, I'd say, is the easiest RPGs out there. If she's already having fit with just pokemon, imagine other RPGs she'd play.
Omg imagine Lily playing any Final Fantasy game
And She apparently enjoys Kingdom Hearts. Extrememly longo dialogue, extrememly longo fights 80% of the game Is focused on side character stories, and you have to grind to get some good materials. I think She Just likes what She likes as a child and everything else doesn't compute
Considering how much and long she loves to talk, you’d think she’d appreciate dialogue.
She usually takes forever to get the actual point, but if she has to be patient then it’s the game’s problem.
"Every fight is just Cynthia now..."
Yeah, there's no shot she beat Cynthia first try, Lily's way too annoyed at her specific team to do it. I'm convinced the only reason she's so flippant about that character is because she heard she was hard and wants to be a contrarian, but she still got wrecked so she needs to come up with other excuses to shit-talk her without just admitting it was a rough battle.
Also, holy crap, is EVERY SINGLE member of her team low defense or weak to Dark?! What the heck is going on here??? Did she just not plan for a physical dark fast attacker in any way at all here???
She mentions spamming calm mind, there's no way she'd put in the effort of using actual strategy (even as little as that) without either having lost, or just wanting to be able to say "I beat her first try"
And even brings her back up during the Diantha fight
@@eugenideddis
Pretty much exactly that. Paraphrased she said, “I don’t know why people say Cynthia is so hard.”
After using Calm Mind 4 or 5 times and proceeding to do exactly what she rants about in every game afterwards. One shotting.
When the same thing happens to her? “Wow, it’s like every battle is facing Cynthia now.” It’s simply a lack of awareness and motivation.
She thinks dark are only sp atk moves lol
lily when weavile: 😮
@@awkwardsquirtle Wait, she doesn't realize types haven't been tied to damage type? That hasn't been a thing since Gen 3!
1:47:21 So Orchard *knows* that N is a grooming victim, and she still sided with Ghetsis when he berated him for losing, among everything else she said about N... There are no words for how truly horrendous that is.
I legitimately hate and think she's scum for all of the things she says about N.
That's very funny when you think about all the controversy she gotten herself into
Anyone else bothered she put Mother Gothel, a gaslighting, abusive, narcissistic kidnapper in the same boat as Lusamine. Lusamine, at least my interpretation of Lusamine, is a tragic character. She wanted to do good. When she lost her husband, she tried to take more control of her kids' lives to protect them. She ended up being corrupted by the influence of nihilego. This led to her looking past Faba's unethical Type:Null experiment as long as he worked on the wormhole project with cosmog. Her unethical experiments and controlling attitude led to her children rebelling and sabotaging her research. She felt betrayed and fell deeper into her madness. In the end, she even starts to reconcile with Lilly before succombing to Nihilego's poison.
Also, calling Lilly's arc stagnant. How very dare you. Lily starts as a person who needs to be protected, who needs to be rescued. By the end, she has the courage to leave the home she's known for all her life to help her mother get treatment in Kanto, where she even desires to become a great trainer so she can protect people. I wish Let's Go followed up on that and had her be a battleable trainer in the game. Next Kanto revisit, I want Lilly to be a battleable trainer dammit! I dont care if it's a random encounter on a route, in an optional dungeon, a gym leader, or hell id even be down for champion Lilly.
Missed the stream but I got some thoughts:
- This video is the biggest example of Lily not editing her scripts. even ignoring the format shift mid video, there's the shiny segment that anyone doing a 2nd pass would go "Gen 2 is probably a better place to talk about Shinies because Red Gyarados is most people's introduction to the concept," that or her saying the phrase breath new life twice in the same paragraph.
- looking back at the live comment I saw a glaring problem in Lily's "max affection to mega evolve" pitch. one of the things that balances megas is they can't hold items, so doing this would cause already strong pokemon like mega Gangar and mega Blaziken can hold items that could make them even more of a threat.
- Lily's inability to think of a defensive strategy gives me big fighting game player who refuses to block energy. Like did she not think at any time during any of these games to grab a tanky pokemon to eat hits?
- Lily's line reads for the dialogue are terrible. she's more focused on doing a silly voice than she is making the line sound like something a person would say and it makes her delivery so monotone.
- not Lily related but Lysandre/Sycamore walked so Geto/Gojo to run
- Lily's exact sense of humor hasn't moved passed that era of dark humor where the joke is just saying something horrible as a punchline.
- Lily's infantile aversion to raising stakes is so frustrating. that bit where she's like "N would be better if he was a guy on a bench you talk to once" is hair pullingly dumb because 1. His philosophical beliefs are the driving force of the narrative, without him it's just another pokemon story 2. You'd still bitch about him because every treat every major NPC you run into like they're some stalker with a 1000 yard stare
- Lily's out here using word count to back her complaints when the average runtime for a pokemon story is 28 hours. 8,300 words is a pittance for something that long, that's 14 pages less than The Great Gatsby
- "This is why people just over level and steamroll through the game" LILY WE CAN SEE YOUR GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE YOU CLEARLY DON'T DO THAT
- Lily cannot stop thinking of sex for 5 minutes. her brain is so poisoned she saw a pokemon plushie and her first thought was body pillow
- god can she go 5 minutes without threatening a child, what did Hau do to you Lily?
- I don't think Lily thinks of punk as a philosophy, just an aesthetic and a genre. I also think the reason her Guzma sounds like that is because she didn't put any thought into it and is just doing a mocking surfer dude voice because she's ignorant and doesn't understand that accent is a California surfer culture thing and not a Hawaiian thing
- Lily is such a fucking poser and it shows
- Lily this is the 3rd game in a row where you down play the abuse a character is put through. kind of a dick move for a person who claims to have gone through abuse yourself
- Lusamine's motivation isn't vanity, it's control. She lost her husband and the powerlessness she felt in that moment made her overcorrect and grow possessive
- Lily complains about JRPGs so much despite the fact Pokemon seems to be the only one she actually plays. I don't think you get to complain about RPG tropes when you're only experience with the genre is literally baby's first rpg
- "chipper upbeat nihilist that is Hau" WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT YOU OXYMORONIC BITCH?!
- "Lily you're getting kinda weird about G" GETTING WEIRD? YOU NEVER STOPPED BEING WEIRD ABOUT YOUR POKEWAIFU
- Hey notice how Lily misses the narrative arc given through mechanics where Gladions unique pokemon Type: Null only evolves through max friendship? funny how she did that for both the characters she tries to paint as sulky nazi youths, huh?
- Lily Hau is the exact type of character you gush about all the time, what about him do you not like?
- Ant's rant in the gen 7 segment pre elite 4 is such a scathing call out to Lily as a critic. it points out how dismissive and unobservant people like Lily are and refutes Lily's bitter pessimism with defiant optimism
- hey Lily here's a little trick from one life long pokemon fan to another to help with that sweeping problem you got. so if you look at you pokemon's stats there's these things called defense and special defense-
- take a benadryl every time Lily makes a benadryl joke and you'd catch up to her really quick. the thing that really needs all that medicine is the dead horse she keeps beating
- Lily has clearly never heard the term deuteragonist before
- A 2nd devastating monologue has hit the Lily Orchard
I'm gonna make the gen 8 post a reply under here because GOD is this long
Yeah, that sums my feeling for this toxic narcissist. From seeing this and her SU vids, She's a individual who can't even care to put greater thought about philosical stories (Pokémon is not difficult to understand and she still missed the mark completely) beyond idiotic jokes (there's a decent joke here and there, I'll give her that) and sex jokes (just as off-putting with the Gardevoir in the room).
The thing more messed up to me here is how much worse she is than idiotic contrarian that is Verlisify if she stay in the community.
Ok so small thing but "upbeat nihilist" is not an oxymoron. Nihilism is a philosophy and can be taken in a positive way, it does not need to be an explicitly negative worldview.
Lily feels more like a cartoonish villain than a real person. The fact that people like this exist is disgusting.
"-Lily Hau is the exact type of character you gush about all the time, what about him do you not like?"
Maybe because Hau is male...
Lysander/Sycamore walked so Get/Gojo could run I'M SCREAMING this makes too much fucking sense.
N: I'm an abused child who has a connection with pokemon, wishes for Pokémon and humans to live in harmony, and my story arc is about breaking free of a narcissistic parent's control.
Lily O: i want to kill him so much.
Lily: I'm an abused child who has a connection with pokemon, wishes for Pokémon and humans to live in harmony, and my story arc is about breaking free of a narcissistic parent's control.
Lily O: she should've been the protagonist! Her story is so intresting!
Sexist much?
She just hates white boys. I don't know why but she does. Maybe she hates her old self.
Lily is just as confusing as my mom who is also abusive and narcissistic
Simple: If Lily Orchard sees a female character who ostensibly does nothing wrong in her eyes, she simps for them.
Meanwhile all men start off with -1000 social credit and they have to claw their way into Lily's good graces just so she can shrug
She complains about people complaining about EXP Share being too strong and she argues that people don't HAVE to use it so they have nothing to complain about...then she complains about Mega Evolutions being too overpowered and breaking the game...when it's also is a feature you could choose not to use.
Also, oooooooh my god. She says that N was a victim of grooming. So she literally recognized that this is an abused child who is still under the control of his abuser. And yet she gloats that she told him to eat concrete. I don't care if that's just a joke. It is a horribly mean-spirited joke at the expense of abuse victims and should never have been made.
And don't forget that in XY she hacked the game to give herself a Mega Stone for Gardevoir at the beginning of the game. Overpowered things are only good when her Mary Sue doesn't get to use them.
Things Lily dislikes about Pokemon:
1. The postgame
2. The story
3. The strategising aspect of battles
4. The antagonist
5. The rivals
6. The non-battle focused mechanics
7. The new pokemon
8. Game Freak’s intended design
8. Anything other than the first game in a generation
What she does like about Pokemon:
1. Gardevoir
Oh and she also dislikes:
1. All the cool stuff like shinies and legendaries
Things she dislikes about Pokemon:
1. Everything that's not Gardevoir (or maybe Butterfree).
Pokemon fans: Admitting to enjoying Sword and Shield
Lily: "Is this an attack on the critics?"
1:04:50 Fun fact: If you pay attention to Olympia’s dialogue, you’ll notice that all of her lines are written in a 5-7-5 syllable pattern. In short, she speaks in haiku format at all times.
Im sorry but when you said haiku I thought about the song haiku by Tally Hall but thanks for the fun fact:3
The 'problem' with Sun and Moon has never been power creep. Everyone's stats are the same as always, base stat totals aren't going up, and new moves get added to old Pokemon all the time. The issue is that it's just a slower more attack-focused area. There's a lot of big bulky Pokemon that have tricky abilities or setups, and if you're not able to out-speed or one-shot things then you're going to struggle if you're using a mid-speed special wall with shit for health and defense.
That description applies to MOST of Lily's team, honestly. Just tons of okay low-Defense Pokemon all around, and then she loses her mind when something with enough bulk to survive a moonblast shows up and makes her regret her decisions.
She's got one strategy. She complains about it being bullshit when it works, and she complains about the game being broken when it doesn't. There's no winning, and I genuinely hate this super toxic mindset where Lily refuses to acknowledge when she's doing anything wrong.
I love SM, but she's an idiot if she thinks they're broken, the first time I played was when I started making my own team to use for story, and the only person I struggled with (two Water types and two Ghosts ln my team and an Alolan Raichu, go figure) was, pause... Kukui with Decidueye, and it was only a few tries because Decidueye was a murderer.
It's ironic because that was her exact criticism of garchomp. If you survive a hit you can kill it. We'll when you go up against things that can survive a hit, don't be surprised when it can probably dish it back just as hard.
Lily complaining the game is too punishing on her Raltz/Kirlia is my Roman Empire. Especially in Gen 6 where it’s early anyways. You can’t call this a complete retrospective when you are openly not engaging with the game on its own terms. I’ll be the first to defend mods and cheats in games, but there’s a time and a place. If you want to be an authority with your reviews, you have to actually review the games.
Like, not only is Raltz a pokemon designed to be weak early on and become good later, but some of the games she hacks it into aren’t balanced around Raltz being there. Or worse, are balanced in a way that expects her to try at all. Gen 5 (and Gen 7) was made harder by the fact that early on there’s several physical dark types, alongside bulky a psychic type and a psychic/flying dual type, meaning stab physical dark moves were a necessity in balancing, but Raltz is too squishy to deal with that well. In Gen 6, you’re expected to be playing with exp share and you have access to several fairy types early on, so of course the game is going to have counters to your underleveled, frail fairy type. Then later, it isn’t built for mega Gardevoir to be sweeping. The game trying to give you even a little fight, and you’re ignoring it. You can say what you will about Gen 6 scaling if you actually play it as intended, but you can’t deliberately make it harder and then have a tangent about how tedious it was to get up to snuff, followed by complaining about how op you are for cheating.
If you personally don’t like pokemon games that don’t let you have an early Raltz, or make you work for limited items, or have high shiny odds, then ok. That’s your opinion. But if you’re doing a retrospective you have to engage with those mechanics anyways, even if you go on to say you don’t like them. And preferably, you also talk about why other people like it and what the design intent was because this is supposed to be a *complete* retrospective. I suppose that involves having empathy for others’ experiences and being able to engage with any media that isn’t coffee shop AUs tho, so I see why Lily would struggle.
Blackadder: Well, since she’s playing Gen 8 on official hardware, she can’t hack Ralts in as her starter.
Prince George: Well, hurrah!
Blackadder: So instead, she imported one from Pokémon Home.
Prince George: Hurrooh.
The thing that confuses me is that she started with raising a Ralts as her starter, instead of using Gardevoir early. If she wants to sweep, why not start with a full Evo early?
@@Magma-Idiot-2001 bc shes to stupird to know how to give iv's and ev's to hacked mons
@@Magma-Idiot-2001 Because she wants to groom her baby into her waifu.
I never used ralts on my playthroughs due to it being so hard to level up and it gets outclassed by many other pokemons in the same niche, it's pretty good as support tho ngl
" 'Lily, why do you always assume that?' It's an anime game, guys!"
Holy crap, I'm facepalming so hard right now.
LILY. JESUS. It's fine to make edgy jokes, but do you even realize how bad it looks to DOUBLE DOWN on the jokes about sexualizing children??? Just holy shit, I can't even with this person. If you see an anime made for kids and your first instinct is to make jokes about them being touched while doubling down on how you're the one in the right, then maybe you're the problem here.
This just went from weird and lazy to actually kind-of sus REAL fast!
I should note that this is also really racist
@@seychelleskarly7710 She virtue signals so much, and then the instant she has to talk about another culture it's all 100% stereotypes all the way.
Lily just assuming that all anime protags have to be 10 years old feels wrong in the entirely different direction.
Hell I could have sworn that the protagonists of Gen 6 (and 5) were meant to at least be teenagers already.
Still wrong to sexualize, but weird from her nonetheless.
@@Amitlu Hell, Red is 11. Blue is 11 too they are the same age.
@@bettyunicorn6132yeah, and if I remember right, Hilda and Hilbert are like 14-15, while N's about 20.
you know, for someone who really loves that one pokemon she really has not grasped what the gimmick is with it.
it is a weak crybaby that grows up to be strong.
complaining that the weak form is weak is just so silly
Exactly.
There's a reason why that Pokemon is associated with Wally, especially from the ORAS remakes onwards. It's basically his character development symbolized through his first Pokemon.
Lily can't grasp the concept of character growth. Or...growth in general.
What I don't get is... she hashacked the game to only play with her favorite pokemon and skips all the parts she dislikes, and... she still doens't enjoy the game? That is puzzling to me.
Whenever Lily hacks in the Ralts to replace a starter, I just groan. It’s especially egregious when it happens in games where you CAN catch Ralts, either slightly later, OR IN AN EARLY ROUTE like with XY (the one before first going to Lumiose City). And I’m dreading to see her do that shit again in SV… when Ralts is on the first/second route.
@@GravityFaiz Exactly. I adore Eevee, but half of the fun is catching them in the wild! Even if I have Pokemon Home and a few of them I could just transfer to have in my initial team of any Pokemon game, I don't because... well, then I wouldn't be playing the game! Sure, sometimes it's hard as hell to find one, but still, it makes it better when I finally do!
I guess she just wants a sandbox where she can run around with her glass cannon celery waifu. Also of course she Isn't going to like a story when she's not actively engaging in the story.
It actually angered me to no end in the XY playthrough. Because she replaced Froakie, meaning Calem would have Chespin and thus be weak to Psychic moves when he evolved his starter.
Lily out here not getting why shinies are a rare collectable in this collecting game.
Also, what's her beef with Hop? She hates him for being one note and happy, but liked all the friends in Gen 6 due to being uncomplicated and chipper in every interaction.
I feel like Lily is a textbook contrarian. People liked the rivals of Gen 8 more than the Gen 6 rivals and Hau? Obviously they must be bad then.
Hell, by her own admission Hop and Barry had the exact same traits that Nemona does in Gen 9 but because the fandom made memes about Nemona being a stalker she exaggerates their traits to hate on them.
Lily wants to be celebrated for having independent thoughts, but it's far easier to simply say the opposite of what everybody else says and say _that_ is your opinion, so she proudly states barely hidden contrarianism in hopes of being beloved.
...Yo, putting a RAINN charity on a video about Lily Orhcard is FUCKING WILD.
I'm fairly certain the disdain for gen 5 that lily has comes entirely from spite. She has this pattern of behavior of projecting what she dislikes about particular people onto the things they gush over.
Nah, she’s just a contrarian
@@Deoxys_Used_Mimic I mean that's kinda what I was getting at, but it's more petty than just "popular thing bad actually"
@@TooBeefy
It’s almost an inherent disdain for other people’s enjoyment.
Steven Universe wasn’t even a huge series, but god forbid anyone likes it. Legend of Korra though? Oh, no there’s a ton of value in its writing and she’s feels more intelligent for believing so.
It’s definitely closer to some kind of “moral high ground”, except based solely on her own frame of logic.
I mean… iirc, joshscorcher DID put Gen 5 on his Top Ten Overhated Games list several years ago and I think that plenty of people online know about the nasty falling out between Josh and Lily.
Heck, given that Josh ALSO put Gen 6 on his Top Ten Games That Fell From Grace list, I can’t help but get the impression that Lily is holding herself back from calling him out by name during that entire segment of her video, particularly during the ending.
@@tylernelson9039 I remember her having questionable and just flat out bad takes on Korra as well.
Of course lily’s gonna imply Lusamine having a uniquely feminine motivation is fucking sexist.
Side note, as a green eyed blonde women with an abusive mother who impressed her standards upon me - I deeply related to pkmn lily and her struggles with Lusamine to the point that Lusamine is my favorite Pokémon villain and Lily is my favorite rival.
Her being "possessed" by Nihilego is also great imagery. Her obsession first figuratively and then literally poisoned her mind.
@@Zorothegallade-rpg yes! There’s so much depth to Lusamine as a villain and lily/gladion’s relationship to her. It was some of the best writing to come out of Pokémon in recent memory
Lily Orchard being so proud to prove Butterfree isn't a bad pokemon only to complain she get one-shoted every fight is SO hilarious to me lmao.
AND I'M WRITING THIS COMMENT RIGHT AS THE ATTACK THE SEA CUMCOMBER PLUSHIE AND I WILL NOT TAKE THIS SLANDER! I LOVE THIS POKEMON AND I WOULD LOVE A BIG PLUSHIE OF IT AND WOULD USE IT AS A PILLOW!
Hey, Butterfree go stand up to the move that distorts reality and sends millions of ghost hands towards you. OMG! You died from that?! How?! Game is garbage 0/10. Even a Pokemon with decent defenses can take a Z-Move.
I find it funny how Lily talks about Gardevoir, because it's the same way competitive players talk about Quagsire. Except Quagsire is glorified for having bad stats while taking out the top treats of the game, while Lily glorifies Gardevoir for creepy reasons.
(For they not in the know: Quagsire happen to have a good match up against much the top niche of physical set up sweeper)
The Sire is also friend shaped. Both quag and clod, thus objectively better than her waifumon
@@ΓιάννηςΜεταξάς-ρ5φ The memes are why better.
For casual play I prefer Vaporeon as my water tank of choice (Acid Armor and Rocky Helmet go hard against phys attackers) but the Sires are just too good to pass up. Good thing the Clod lets you slot both in the party while avoiding type redundancy.
Quagmire is the definition of genius level stupidity
@@Chatterbox1237 Giggity
She went on that whole shiny rant and then... Has a shiny Talonflame on her team. I guess shinies DO matter to her when they're Pokemon she likes!
It’s weird because she lead with “their value is however much you like them” only to say they were worthless any
She probably hack ot herself. Make a legit shiny (Bunnelby), which is very hard to find in the wild faints, hacks in a shiny anyways "Big Brain" logic.
@@Gloomdrake She sounds like a Pokémon villain. "Pokémon that aren't of use to me are of no value!"
@@Zorothegallade-rpgWasn’t that a main villain’s main plot point?
@@pzb1017 Pretty much half of them. Mostly Giovanni, but Cyrus and Lysandre also had some shades of that..
Lily sounds like a pure contrarian. She doesn't like any battle unless she can sweep, and then she'll complain that it was easy when she does. She criticizes the writing without reading any of it. She doesn't explore routes. She hacks in pokemon. She doesn't like hunting for pokemon, especially legendary pokemon. She even ranted that she should have the option to just skip through sections of the game by saying "no" when they ask for story engagement. I would advice her to just play a rom hack of the games instead, but they would likely require her to do more than sweep with Gardavoir.
She's just scraping for relevance now that everyone knows what she did, and figured the cheapest way to do so was shitting on Pokémon in the style of the caustic "I hate everything about this" critics that haven't been current since the 2010s
Even as someone that actually likes Gen 6 Lily's praises of it mostly come off as someone trying to be contrarian for the sake of rage bait, especially when she insults those that hold Gen 5 in high regard.
Would it be unreasonable to extrapolate that Lily is racist against white people based on her calling Gladion a “Hitler Youth” literally just for being blonde? Like, that’s the only reason I can think of for why she would make that comparison: she sees a white boy with blonde hair, she thinks of Nazis. I know she can’t separate reality from fiction, but come on!
This isn’t nearly as bad as her takes on Hunter or N (who were both unambiguous victims manipulated by cult leaders), but it is part of a broader trend of hers. According to her, Arthas isn’t a tragic fallen hero but an inevitable villain from the start, and Anduin isn’t naively altruistic but a sanctimonious hypocrite. I don’t know what she’s said about Astarian from BG3, but I’m not surprised she hates him too. And let’s not even get in to Steven Universe (the character). The only white male character I can think of that she likes is Andrew Graves, the sociopath with a sister complex who Lily thinks is blameless (and openly equates herself to).
Lily is a self-hating white, but I also feel like she is the kind of person who totally was some 4chan anti-sjw before coming out as trans and basically just jumped ship out of opportunistic reasons and to conform with the new peer group she created herself on tumblr, so she still embodies alot of these attitudes and limited perspectives.
No she's pretty frieken racist both to white guys and ESPECIALLY towards Asian people the Japanese in particular
Lily comparing herself to Andrew is utterly horrifying when you consider her treatment of her own sister.
@@rainspectre3153 Fucking, THIIIIIIIIIIIIIS
She's also very racist towards black people too, acording to her Steven Universe is racist because of some of the caharacter designs and none of the black people envolved with the show realized
I thought her takes on Gen 5 were bad but somehow her opinions on Gen 7 were *WORSE*
like how is that even possible.
I said this on the stream, but Lily’s the gift that keeps on giving while shit talking others.
Ffs Lily, you brought a low defense pokemon and a bird doubly weak to rock types- what were you expecting?
My favourite part of this whole thing is Ant getting convinced by chat about Sycamore / Lysander to the point of agreeing when someone in chat goes "Sycamore has a boyfriend" when he asked chat about who's hotter between Kukui and Sycamore. Absolutely beautiful I love it
Same bro
If Gardevoir is the most op pokemon in the game, why does it get one hit ko'd by an iron tail from an Absol??
Because it has paper for defense. Even with her one strategy (Gardevoir with +6 Sp. Atk and Sp. Def from Calm Mind), it's a victim to Poison, Steel and Ghost types that are physical. Especially if the opponent outspeeds, bulky asf, avoids the attack, or has a Focus Sash
@@echoshinola Lily: "I'll ignore that."
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Gen 1, 2, and 6- Snorlax is blocking the way and you need to wake it up.
Legends Arceus- An Alpha Snorlax is blocking the way and will obliterate anything it sees.
Lily bitching about damage values when Lily was using Pokémon with shit defenses against a boosted School form Wishiwashi that has 140 PhAtk and SpAtk while using water moves during rain is both bullshit and hilarious.
I remember that I swept that match with a Fomantis. What's Lily's excuse?
@@sachicocoa9013She was heavily relying on Kirlia (from what I saw) & she kept trying to do her set up strat which doesn’t really work well in many of the Totem fights.
For the love of god nobody introduce Lily to Fire Emblem.
I will give you a summary of three houses she would like Edelgard because girl boss, she would hate Dimitri for being “edgy,” and she would be okay with Claude and complain on how long the story is and skip important cutscenes for no reason
@@brendan192045 She would say that Dimitri is the most despicable character in existence just because he's blonde and white. Also she would ignore the fact that everyone in three houses is morally grey and will reduce Edelgard's whole character to " UwU badass lesbian " or say she's boring just to be contrarian. I don't think she would even bother with Claude at all tbh 😭😭😭
@@cosafelice2759 And if she mentions any other game it would be Fates where she would love Elise for....reasons.
Yeah, I don't want her lack of reading comprehension to infect another of my favorite franchises.
- Skips all cutscenes
- Gives all stat boosters to Edelgard
- Refuses to train up more than 4 units
- Complains when characters die
- Doesn't replace dead units
- Complains about chapters 6 and 11 for taking away Edelgard
- Misses the conditions for the Crimson Flower Route because she skips the support conversations and the monastery
- Complains about bad game design for being forced on the Silver Snow route
- Mods the game to still have playable Edelgard
- Complains that she can't marry modded Edelgard
- "Three Houses storytelling is horrendous, the characters are one dimensional and the backstories of the characters never get explained. Also Dimitri is an edgelord."
She probably would also gameover multiple times fighting the Death Knight while complaining about sudden difficulty spikes.
Lily: uses calm mind a few times, the lights turn on upstairs, immediately thinks it’s broken, and refuses to divorce herself from it
*Don’t let anyone ever tell her what Guts + Facade does.*
@@Deoxys_Used_Mimic A Guts boosted Swellow smacking G with a Steel Wing is a funny as hell image. Almost as funny as N taking Lily’s Pokémon away with two Plasma Grunts after the latter loses to him at the Ferris Wheel (if only the the game hard resets after that loss so that her Pokémon wouldn’t slowly grow in levels)
@@GravityFaiz Facade actually does more damage on Gardevoir because it gets boosted not only from Guts and STAB, but it’s own effect as well.
@@Deoxys_Used_Mimic I’ve been playing Radical Red and I’ve managed to create 4 teams based on weather, with the Snow one having Gorilla Tactics Galarian Darmanitan, Rain with Mega Swampert, Ash Greninja, and Palafin, Sandstorm with Mega Tyranitar, Sand Rush Excadrill and Terrakion, and my final weather team of Sun featuring Gale Wings Talonflame, Drought Torkoal, the Charcadet evos, Chlorophyll Venusaur, and my Starter Charizard/Mega Charizard X. All 4 of these teams would obliterate Lily’s Pokémon into the center of the Earth.
@@GravityFaiz I can say the same with my 3 teams for Gen 9
#1: Quaquaval, Kingambit, Ceruledge, Tera Flying Raichu, Tera Electric Dragonite, Dudunsparce
#2: Tera Normal Vaporeon, Skeledirge, Tinkaton, Salamence, Tera Fairy Gallade, Clodsire
#3: Garchomp, Ceruledge, Meowscarada, Gyarados, Tera Poison Gardevoir, and Tera Ice Lucario
All those three teams would beat the absolute fuck out of Lily's team, regardless if I was Champion or not.
@@echoshinola 12 days after I originally made those weather teams, and now I have the SV legendaries, Iron Valiant, Hisuian Liligant, Landrous Therian, and Mega Charizard X. This new team would just cream Lily’s frail Pokémon team.
Obsessing over Gardevoir being OP in Gen 6 might be the weirdest thing because it has the most objectively settled meta I've ever seen. Every single guy in the ORAS finals had a Mega Kangaskahn, a Primal Kyogre, and a Mega Rayquaza. If I remember right, most of them were running Xerneas, too.
Those are four Pokemon specifically that were so busted they were universally used with the fifth and sixth slots being for counterplay.
Now, granted, two of these are specific to ORAS and the other's an end-game Legendary. But also, Mega Kangaskahn is just a freaking problem and everyone knows it? Only weak to fighting, has 100 points in every stat except for 125 Attack, and every move hits twice at reduced power. This includes Fake Out, which hits instantly, always makes you flinch, and is a STAB move for this thing.
So every single time you send him out you're guaranteed to get free damage. Which is a huge asset, especially if you out-speed them and can guarantee a turn 1 kill with the extra damage you just piled on.
Also, Mega Blaziken. Free speed boosts on an already fast mixed attacker is nuts, and with just one turn of stat boosts it basically guarantees a sweep. There's also crazy stuff like Protien Grenenja making everything STAB, Drought Mega Charizard boosting fire while weakening one of their big weaknesses and helping your whole party, Mega Mawile...
By comparison, Gardevoir has low Defense and HP. Which wouldn't be a problem, but she also has just alright Speed at 80. Which is fine if you're fighting a Special Attacker, but a lot of the time you're just not moving first, which is a huge problem because that means you might need to survive a lot of damage before you can actually do anything. Even with her Mega giving her more speed, it still starts turn 1 with her original Speed value, meaning you STILL need to survive that first hit well enough to keep going. And without any buffs to Defense from the new form, she's going to struggle against fast, hard hitting, Pokemon. Or, you know, against people with scummy turn 1 priority moves like Mega Kangaskahn or Talonflame.
It's so weird for Lily to talk Gardevoir up so much when she's OBJECTIVELY just not that impressive. Maybe she could have figured this out beforehand, but she refuses to listen to competitive players, so it just comes off really ignorant and misguided because she's completely ignoring the obvious weaknesses here.
It'd be like if I was like "No, Beedrill is the best Pokemon, see? He can poison things while attacking! That's so busted, and they even gave him a Mega, too! Come on, Gamefreak! What were you thinking!!!"
Tbf there are ways to play around gardevoir being such a glass cannon, I used to run a gardevoir in casual showdown stuff back during gen 6 and I found out pretty quick you needed either a workaround, or a way to let your gardevoir tank the first hit or you’re gonna be down a mon in at most two turns. There were also better fairy types in the form of Xerneas, sylveon, florges and azumarill. Lily glazing gardevoir feels extremely weird to me especially when you know her history with that Mon. It’s not in the fun “I know my Mon is a dumpster fire but I’m going to try to make it work” it’s just her making gardevoir out as the best Mon in general when it’s like decent at best.
@@thefandomdoe “Gardevoir is so op guys!” My Scizor in Radical Red coming up with a Bullet Punch haymaker to their faces:
@@GravityFaizthat’s the thing, that scizor isn’t in the main game as a challenge. That’s the problem.
Gardivoir is OP for the single player because you are level 30 or over after the first two gyms so the low stats and slow growth are not as much of an issue and it’s meant to be a sweeper who can also tank with calm mind. Hell even Gallade is so op they have to put his stone later in the game so you don’t make one at level 20 and rip through everything.
And it’s considered an early game pokemon which is the final kick in the teeth.
Nindoking is similar in gen 1 at least cause you can have one at level 16, it’s only real weakness is water and psychic types, and it faster than most other ground types while depending on how you raise it can learn two auto kill moves.
Horrible when you have a human opponent sure. But in the main game it means you barely if ever run into an NPC who can deal with it easily enough to be any sort of challenge outside you on purpose making it harder for yourself
@@thefandomdoe God, Fairy Typing made Azumaril so good... ORAS made me unironically go from "Who cares?" to "Holy shit, this is one of my new favorites!" super fast!
Sure, Belly Drum is a bit unreliable. But if you can just heal with a Sitrus Berry and survive one round, it becomes such a menace!
@@dracocrusher Azumarill was and still is so much fun to use in casual comp (idk what the word for comp casual is) stuff and even main game. Like genuinely I had so much fun playing around with azumarill and working around stuff. I love playing and making new builds with azumarill so much.
The most annoying thing is Lilly only using frail, low leveled pokemon and then complaining the oponnenta hit to hard.
Like I beat Nimona with a MASQUERAIN simply by using Intimidate and Quiver Dance.
Lily's complaints on difficulty hold zero weight because she hacked in a late payoff slow glass canon and then complaints that its not difficult just because everything can do more damage than her max hp. Your not supposed to have ralts as your starter lily. Stop complaining about a problem you made. No lily mega evolution is burst digivolution. Warp digimon is where you skip directly to your most powerful evolution rather than doing them one by one.
Or if you want to slot Ralts in your team at any cost, you catch some complimentary Pokémon that back it up. A bulky Water type to intercept Steel attackers. A Normal type to switch into Ghost moves. A Steel type to catch Poisons etc.
But she either refuses to share the glory or is so lazy the entire concept of putting in effort to build a proper team is too much hassle for her.
Wait,I’m not at the “mega Evo = digiwarp”…wtf.
I swear to god if lily ever makes a full Digimon video I am probably going to have an aneurysm with how bad faith her takes are.
She once claimed gardevoir is a pseudo legendary.
She’d be one of those kids who wins an online match with event mythicals and thinks they’re ready for tournaments.
@@NintendoMeister2260and when she loses, she would whine about cheating or the game being the problem over her skill issues.
Hello fellow hunter
Okay, I think she glosses over how unfinished Gen 6 feels in terms of how many obscure mysteries there are with literally no answers. The Couriway train leads to nowhere and there is an NPC saying she doesn't know where it leads, they cut a lot of stuff with Zygarde and put that into Sun and Moon instead, the Lumiose Ghost Girl just goes nowhere, the Lumiose Train Station has a note saying "meet me in the usual place" which goes nowhere, there are several locked doors in the Power Plant that go nowhere, and someone in the Yellow plaza of Lumiose mentions something about the "Lava dome Pokemon" while not having that go anywhere. Notice how there is just a ton of stuff that goes nowhere in X and Y that WOULD'VE been interesting main game or post game content, something Lily glosses over because she can't bother playing the game past the credits.
IIRC the "Lava Dome Pokemon" thing was a mistranslation. I think the NPC talking about this was just imitating Heatran noises for whatever reason. I dunno, I don't remember the specifics.
I _would_ say I wish we got a remake of XY that would fix those unfinished secrets... but after BDSP I'm not sure if I can trusts the people that own the brand.
@@robertlupa8273 I mean, we are gonna get something related to Lumiose and the whole urban development.
Also I feel like BDSP was made just to be barebones since Legends Arceus was the actual Sinnoh "remake", but they just gave ILCA an easy game to make to appease potential crybabies wanting "traditional" Sinnoh remakes. It's just how I see it based on the fact they made them super faithful and gave them to a non Gamefreak company to make
The Lumiose Ghost Girl has become an in-universe meme at this point. No joke, she even showed up in this year's Pokemon Masters EX April Fool's event.
@@whichcache2517 PLEASE link me to this, I need to see a video of this! It would basically solidify that this ghost girl was nothing more than a creepy event that means nothing that people made endless speculation about
@@dorkenspache8353 I looked up “no you’re not the one pokemon masters ex” and found a video for it. Scroll down, and there’s a UA-cam short titled “No, you’re not the one… Be Careful of the Darkness Event - Pokémon Masters EX”. I’ll make a separate reply with the link so that this one won’t be marked as spam.
So what did we learned today??? 😜
Lily Orchard can't FUCKING HANDLE READING COMPREHENSION.
Honestly, I like gardevoir a lot less now
As Vegeta from DBZA would sum it up best on Lily’s “view” on Gardevoir
“You ruined it! You ruined it and I’m leaving.”
Same, I feel bad having evolved my Kirlia now
Very slight S/V spoilers
IK she probably didn't, and I really REALLY don't want to support her by checking out the original video, but I hope that she tried to set up Calm Minds against Geeta's Espathra only for Opportunist to trigger.
It would be funny if she say Geeta is hard. Ma'am, you haven't even get to her "fixed" team yet
Lily brand just reaks of that overly cynical and ironic era vibe. Where if she’s struggles it’s the games fault not her skill, if the cartoony character have more depth and she can’t understand it then it’s “try hard” even though she can’t look at the story based her biased perspective. This is nothing but complaint video, but says she loves Pokémon. She doesn’t she loves Gardevoir, She loves basic stories because she doesn’t have to pay attention. She doesn’t want a journey she wants a power fantasy where she’s one shots anything with her favorite Pokémon where everyone is cringe or annoying except for her, and if the game challenges her or the story has depth it’s just “Bad design” and not her being bad at the game or unwilling to try newer Pokémon or strategies. Not to say Pokémon is perfect, but it’s not what Lilys “ Critique” claims it is.
Also I still think some part of it is ragebaiting, idk what parts or how much but I smell that scent wafting about it to the point I feel like it has to be there, even if unconsciously on her part.
@@rotomfan63I refuse to think she _isn't_ ragebaiting in many parts of the video. I know Gen 5 isn't perfect, but her take on it just reeks of being a contrarian, like: "Oh, everyone loves Gen 5 and N, so it's automatically bad, the story is shit and N is a stalker debate bro youtuber". Or how "Oh this character beat me 7 times, this game is shit and broken" only to turn around like "Yeah and I cheesed it, it's way too easy, it's shit". Or her take on Silver and Gladion, how they're just edgy and she completely ignores their character arcs and how they're the type of characters to have pokemon that evolve via friendship to show their development. I know there's probably more examples, but those come to the top of my head. You can't tell me she isn't just trying to get in people's nerves.
Noah Cadwell Gervais has made longer essays than her pokemon video. But while his scripts are very casual and often play by play, they are filled with interesting philosophical tangents that are spun off from the very content that he is engaging with, and he engages with the material on a philosophical and analytical level.
And he gets to the point.
I brought up Noah a lot in the chat. Fucking *love* his work.
It’s very funny to me that Lily says things got gay with Shauna when her dialog is edited specifically to be *not gay* if you play a girl (never forget when Masuda said he wanted “elements of romance when playing as a boy and a deep friendship when playing as a girl”. Lily’s not *wrong* for saying it’s gay, it’s just very funny to say it on the rival that got straightified by Masuda himself
Now that’s something you can blame Masuda for. All the other bullshit is just Lily projection tho lmao
...How did her level 5 starter Ralts have confusion? Not only does she hack a Ralts into the game to replace the starters, but she actively seems to cheat in extra things for her Ralts as well, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that she also gave them naturally max IVs, preloaded with EVs, and a preferred nature at this point.
Only in Gen 7 does Ralts learn Confusion before Lv 5. Although I'm not surprised if Lily gave Ralts perfect stats and ability just so she lie about how Broken Gardivoir is.
Anthony's strategy talk reminded me that LILY TALKED ABOUT STATUS MOVES IN GEN 1!! Just when you think Lily couldn't get any dumber she FORGETS her own advice.😮💨
Personally, I think a lot of what you call out as failings of Team Flare as an evil team work in favor of it being a critique of fascism; Flare parallels the Nazis in some ways, and I think the groundlessness, aesthetic focus, and general ineptitude pull this together. This is not to say that X & Y are well-written -they lack a LOT, esp. imo with the rivals- but that Team Flare can at least be read to be a better team
I agree, they’re completely style over substance. And looking at the far-right elements gaining traction in France right now, Team Flare is a biting commentary. In similarity, they both have an appreciation for aesthetic over all, a fetishization for a mythical past they want to return to/future they want to create, and an utter misunderstanding of actual history and reality in general. (But honestly I feel like a lot of Flare’s actual ideology and personality is kinda locked into Lysandre, which is also fascistic with that whole strong man central figure concept, but also makes the rest of Team Flare, ironically, look dull and superfluous by comparison which is a shame.) Edit: Forgot to add this in but uh Death to Collaborators :3
Can we talk about how team flare were the ones that developed the "holo cast"
That's really true. Team Flare obviously has a good base idea. Everything in XY has a good base idea. It's just that XY are kinda "scrapped content the game" where I can see a world where Flare is a more interesting team.
I'm not surprised that Orchard doesn't like being challenged in any game she plays. She doesn't like when the protagonists in non-interactive media suffer any serious conflict either. Same with how she consumes Pokemon's story. characters, and lore in as self-serving and shallow way as possible. She's not a fan of Pokemon IP, she's a fan of a few monster designs that happen to be in Pokemon, and otherwise would never have cared about the franchise without Butterfree and Gardevoir.
I was watching when you were live. I'll try not to be as long with this comment because I said mostly everything I wanted to say in my previous comment. Think of this is more of an epilogue lol.
Not trying to be mean or anything but Lily is bad at Pokemon lmfao. She complains about damage values being too high but in all her team she gravitates towards sweepers with horrible defense stats/types. Instead of realizing that and using more bulky Pokemon she wants damage values to be tweaked to her benefit.
While we're talking about gameplay I don't understand she considers Gardevoir to be this super broken Pokémon when historically speaking, it's not. It has type coverage out the ass and it has pretty impressive special attack and defense stats but it's in the death speed tier where it's too slow to be a sweeper but too fast to be a reliable trick room mon. There's a lot of Pokemon that didn't need a mega but Gardevoir is not one of them. In fact I'd argue that it was one of the Pokemon that needed to buff the most.
Finally I hate the fact that she belittles Gamefreak for shit that isn't even their fault. She blames Gamefreak release schedule for why the games are undercooked instead of you know, TPC and Nintendo for putting them on those tight deadlines in the first place. I had to leave when she brought up dexit cuz it's a sore spot for me and I definitely don't want to hear her whack-ass takes on it.
To reiterate what I said on my last comment what does she even like about Pokemon? She doesn't like the gameplay unless she's one shotting everything, she doesn't like the characters, she doesn't like the story, she doesn't doesn't interact with the lore, she doesn't like shiny Pokemon, she doesn't like competitive, hell she doesn't even seem to like most of the Pokemon outside of Gardevoir and Pokemon that looks similar to it. So I have to ask? Why is she playing a game series she clearly doesn't like?
For views/money, I guess? I don't think it's even to seek enjoyment out of seeing people cry over her contrarian opinions, because she can't take criticism at all.
Here's the thing. I think she likes the IDEA of Pokemon. Of going on a journey with her colorful creatures and exploring the world.
But she doesn't like PLAYING the game, especially if she's being railroaded. In her mind, the ideal Pokemon game would be going on an adventure on her own terms and exploring the world and playing with her Pokemon.
Some people have described it as "Lily wants a walking simulator" but I think it'd be more accurate (And realistic) to say that Lilly's ideal Pokemon experience would be more akin to Skyrim or something. A game where you can put the story on the back burner and ignore it in favor of exploring the world. (If you recall, Lilly wasn't as irritated during Red and Blue when the story was bare-bones. It's once she got to Gen IV and the stories started taking itself more seriously she started getting angry)
Consequently, she ends up liking Pokemon on a surface level and misses the deeper nuances behind the gameplay, the lore, and of course, the story.
28:00 Gardevoir is teratophile bait the same way a vampire is. Like, that's just a slightly weird looking humanoid creature that abides by conventional human beauty standards. Lily's tastes in 'monsters' are weak and she could not handle anything spicier than an elf.
Or an mlp character on a good day
Man, I'm so damn mad because Lily's art style (if that's hers) is really good, and she draws a really cute Gardevoir, but then if you actually know her webcomic and a very specific thing that gardevoir did then it just stops being cute. And like Lily if you weren't such a garbage person and stopped writing such questionable stories you'd be able to get big on tumblr! It's literally never too late to stop but she's bent on digging as deep as she can.
The most annoying parts is when she’ll make a statement that, on its own and completely separate of context, I would completely agree with or at least have no problem with, but she says it in such an aggravating, caustic, or irritating way that I suddenly devolve into a 2016 skeptic UA-camr (aka the lowest form of human intelligence).
Honestly i zone out when she speaks
From gens five onwards, especially in gen 7 Lily claims she’s respectful of people’s culture and native identity but SHE FULLY DISREGARDS HAWIIAN/POLYNEASAN CULTURE AND FOLKLORE! For someone who seems to really like Disney or at the least kingdom hearts you’d think she’d know something. No. She ignored the significance of the setup of Unova as a region based on New York City, she IGNORED THE ARTISTIC HISTORY EASTER EGGS OF X AND Y! AND *SHE HAS NO IDEA THAT ALOLA HAS POKÉMON BASED ON YHR VERY REAL AND TRAGIC ISSUE OF INVASIVE SPECIES THAT MAKE HAWAII KNOWN AS THE EXTINCTION CAPTIAL OF THE WORLD!*
All she does is take without crediting the words of people who are just as misinformed and uncultured as her who run around pretending to be a martyr for an identity and people, CLAIMING TO BE ABOVE HATE AND APPROPRIATION WHILE BEING THE MOST OFFENSIVE PERSON!
Lily your hrny jokes are horrible and I’m starting to think you’ve never seen a woman’s nothing (using Shakespearean language for this… “much ado about nothing” THERES VIDEOS TALKING ABOUT THIS! Back to my point!)
I’m not a native nor do I ever claim to be, while I do hold value and respect to my ancestry that spans from mostly Irish and Slovakian, but American born.
I do my best to be informed and appreciate other peoples background! And Pokémon is what started this for me and I’m sure many others!
I would wager that if at some point pokemon released a game that involved indigenous American culture or even region, Lily would still miss the point and insult a culture she proclaims proudly as being part of and disrespect everything about it
Its super fucked up because this is one of these things we should sincerely applaud Gamefreak for, they understand their status as this very global cultural icon that people all around the world hold dear and started to creat games that are much more diverse and offer representative of different ethnicities.
LIlly doesn't actually care about people's cultures or native identity, it's all grandstanding for the "character" she's built as an ally of minorities so she can take advantage of young, vulnerable women sexually.
I loved G6, personally, ORAS especially. I acknowledge that it, alongside G8, has problems, but I enjoyed it anyway. I know that's a VERY controversial opinion, though. I liked G7, but didn't play much of it. Once I'm done with getting the Perfect Pokedex in Arceus, I'm planning on doing the same for the whole series myself, because RP wise, I want my efforts in Arceus to retroactively have impact.
I wish you good luck, fun and lots of perserverance, 'cause you're gonna need them if you want Perfect Pokedex in every gen.
@1:11:00 "it was so easy"
>hacks postgame item into their team and uses it every battle
I don't even like Gen 8, but Lily is so bad faith
If this taught me anything is that Lily Orchid is the kind of person that acts like a professional game critic...
But has played nothing but 2d or 3d platform games in her entire life, in other words, games you can finish in more or less a weekend and are not very deep in terms of story. That's the only scenario where her criticisms could be potentially valid, because in a more demanding game like an RPG, these complains just seem idiotic.
Lily: "Move out to the countryside and live the cottage core life with ny pokemon?"
FBI, OPEN UP!
Ah yes, bulldoze on a Gogoat is a one hit KO move... not, you know, a coverage move that makes Ramos a bit more of a challenge for fire types?
"The protagonist needs to have dialogue or these stories will ALWAYS ring hollow."
Final Fantasy XIV would hard disagree with that. Turns out you can absolutely have an arc without having a character with a hard-written personality, you just need to project your own thoughts and feelings onto them as other people carry the specific details of the narrative.
I recently had an idea about a game, where the silent protagonist is silent because they are mute. They would have a defined characterisation, they just can't speak.
@@nobody4248 Reminds me of Caim in Drakengard. He literally can't talk, but you very quickly get the impression that he's a complete psychopath that loves killing people for the fun of it and people just happen to point him in the generally right direction a lot of the time.
It's the most stereotypical silent fantasy protag ever, but he's DEFINITELY not devoid of personality!
every persona game also refutes this. iirc vaan in ff12 is also silent?
pokemon colosseum tells its tale well enough without needing a speaking protag-and his entire look lends well to silence, and the girl who can see shadow mons who follows along very clearly is not speaking _on his behalf_ but in _spite_ of his stoic acting without pleasantries bullshit. i always got the impression that they are very distinct characters, not a silent protag + person acting as voice. at worst, the dynamic is meant to be that she is ignorant in order to fill in the player, who is playing as a character who is very aware of the plot that is brewing up. but they are distinct, it works and i never get the impression she exists as the real main whose story is the real story, tagging along with a player avatar just because... and i totally fucking get what lily is saying about lily in that segment. i disagree in the details.
(aside: lmao at her suggesting even more dialogue, now including player chara, after spending probably 2 of 6 hours complaining about too much dialogue!)
@@russianbot8576 God, persona's such a good example.
Just every single goofy dialogue option in P4 is great for characterization, and the more the game goes on the more you notice little things about how the MC reacts that make it really feel like part of their canon personality.
And then when they did the shows they just leaned into that and it just makes perfect sense.
Bearth of The Wild also disagrees. Link doesn't utter a single word in the entire game yet the narrative works because Zelda is the focus of the memories, Zelda is the one who gets to change and grow as a character and to learn more about herself. Our role as Link is just to give Zelda a helping hand to defeat Ganon because the game needs to be a game. If you changed the ending of the memories from "Zelda trapped Ganon" to "Zelda defeated Ganon" you'd lose nithing narrative wise.
I got curious and read an archive of that "madhouse" comic you mentioned somewhere in the kalos section it was a lot tamer than I expected but it's definitely a perspective changer for her video
Also, you know all of those UA-cam videos that have people come up with their
own Pokemon region? Being filled to the brim with so much lore and creativity...
I would dread if Lily reacted to those type of videos. Heck, I would dread her
reaction to my graphic novels for a Pokemon game concept I'm working on
that crosses over with Final Fantasy that features a mechanic that has you
join forces with another trainer and their Pokemon inspired by the Pair Up
mechanic from Fire Emblem. Unlike other Pokemon mechanics, you need
to work with the other trainer to build up a meter to unleash a team up
attack. You can also form a bond with the other trainer outside of battle,
plus if you have a Pokemon in the same egg group as theirs. They can
even breed with one another. (You even use a Ditto if you want.)
Too bad Bede never appeared in the Pokemon
anime at all. I wonder who would the perfect
voice actor for him?
Vegeta's voice actor
@@sometijng Which one of Vegeta's
voice actors?
@@meganpayette5996 all of them at the same time
@@sometijng LOL! As for who I would
pick, if it was a seasoned voice actor
from the 4Kids/Pokemon Company
International dub. I pick Ted Lewis and
he would use his Yami Bakura voice
though not as evil sounding.
However if I were to pick a celebrity
voice actor, Tom Felton of Harry Potter
fame.
The SWSH rivals pretty much got the shaft in the anime. Not only did Bede not appear at all, Marnie appeared like once, and Hop didn’t show up until the tail end and didn’t do a whole lot.
Where on earth did that thing about Nessa being 17 come from...?
Isn't she supposed to be around the same age as Leon and Sonia, seeing as they all took the league challenge at the same time?
Also where are any of these ages supposed to even come from? Like the only adult character from 8th Gen, whose age I know is actually stated in the game is Opal, who is 88 (though her quizz jokingly claims her to be 16).
@@jondoe7036 right? I know some characters look older/younger, but I have no idea where the supposed "official" ages came from? Opal is obvious, yeah, but everything else is ??? Was there any official statement in a magazine or book released?
I don't even know where Ant got the info that Flannery was 18 in the first stream.
Wdym jokingly? Opal is 16. Obviously.
I realise something with her Sun and Moon section. She wants to be an some unseen force telling Lillie what to do to so she can grow instead of being the support group helping Lillie with her issues more directly. It’s like asking for Joker to be removed from Persona 5 and instead you’re making everyone better because you’re god and you picked these random people to help with their issues
Also Lily yes silent protagonist can be in very characters focused stories again just look at Persona, in those games the protagonist is pretty much completely silent except for a few voice lines and Persona can go on for 100 hours on your first play through and yet those games are still very engaging for people so they can work if the other characters and the game itself are engaging enough
Also Sora as a silent protagonist sounds wonderful not because I dislike Sora of course not but because I just get to put my own commentary in the game and that sounds fun as fuck for a game like Kingdom Hearts
This comment probably would work better in the previous Lily Pokèmon stream, but it sometimes seems like Lily just hates abuse survivors who are men. The sheer difference in how she talks about Lillie and N is a pretty good example.
She knows N is a grooming victim but she doesn't care because making fun of grooming victims it's all good when you don't like them /s
Like Jesus Christ
I guess she hates men because she hates she used to be one.
Nah, she gets spiteful towards female abuse survivors too. Look at how she talked about Lapis from Steven Universe.
She can't fathom the idea that an abuse survivor could turn abusive themselves (N's rhetoric about forcibly separating Pokemon from their trainers, Lapis trapping Jasper with her underwater)...
Gee... I wonder why that might be...
Lily has not played TWEWY and you can tell cause she only knows Beat from that KH cameo neither series fandom wanted and neither knew what to do with. Also she only calls Gladion that because he's white with blond hair even though his eyes aren’t even blue
Beat makes more sense as a Team Skull Grunt. Someone who's looking for acceptance, and only gets it from one person who he feels will only get dragged down by him if she "wastes time" worrying about him...
Dang, Gen 7 and TWEWY are great.
@whichcache2517 Heck even a Gladion or Hugh comparison would work more. Gladion because siblings and Hugh because siblings and also LOSS related to that sibling
@@rotomfan63 *Lily didn't play B2W2 for the video, because she only plays one of the first games in the Generation, so she probably wouldn't know who Hugh is or what his story is, because she can't read text in video games made for babies*
Lily stop misunderstanding Digimon to compare it to other media challenge, difficulty impossible
Girlie warp digivolution isn’t anywhere near equivalent to mega evolution, warp digivolving is specifically the English term for going from rookie to ultimate in one go. It’s more akin to going from Charmander to Mega Charizard in one go than just normal mega evolution.
And why is Cosmog a digimon to her? Does she really just believe digimon is a pokemon knockoff that she just happened to think is better? I know she’s just trying to fill time and sound quippy but why that comparison?
And it’s even worse in her other videos. Lily stop trying to be known as a digimon fan you’re making the actual fans look bad!
technically the X-Antibody is the equivalent to Mega Evolution.
@@TheBonkleFox And even then only kinda. You can’t really apply their concepts to each other because they’re fundamentally different worlds. X-antibody is mega evolution but also regional variants and also the Protagonist Powered pokemon like Ash Greeninja and the partner Pikachu/Eevee. Cuz like Squirtle doesn’t mega evolve, Blastoise does, but Gommamon sure as hell X-antibodied. And the partner Pikachu/Eevee didn’t turn out Special because their power was needed or they needed to adapt like X-antibodies. And regional variants aren’t usually evolved into and tend to have bigger conceptual changes than any of the other categories.
That being said that discussion is lost on Lily anyways because I’m pretty sure she’s only ever seen the English dub of the original anime and thus has no fucking clue what an X-Antibody is.
@@chickenelafsworld7105…she watched the dub?that explains a lot.
The dub isn’t terrible but it isn’t anywhere near good either,especially when it comes to 02 and savers.
@@Chatterbox1237 it’s worse when she tries to make digimon seem exceptionally feminist with its portrayal of girls in the main cast while she’s a dub only watcher. One of the biggest crimes of the original Digimon Adventures dub was how it was way more misogynistic to Mimi. They went out of the way to make her a stereotype because she was the “girliest” of the main girls. Like making her super vain, her wanting to go to “cheerleading camp” instead of the outdoors camp everyone was at, and adding comment about how incompetent she is with tools she brought. The dub actively makes the show more misogynistic but she doesn’t seem to notice or care, because at least it still has the bare minimum of 2-3 main characters being girls and the girls being in different character archetypes.
The dub also generally makes the writing less mature/complex and messes up continuity a lot because they didn’t know the plan. Like the Japanese dub set up Mimi being a good singer in one episode, the English dub made the joke that she’s a bad singer, and then lo and behold later on they needed Mimi to be a good singer for a whole episode’s plot to work.
@@chickenelafsworld7105 exactly!and then lily can’t even be bothered to read more direct translations online because “the translation they used is barely different ” or whatever and misses all the subtleties that from the Jp version that the dub took out!I remember reading a few essays on 02 and savers and how the dub massacred Masaru and daisuke,so if she came up with that conclusion with the DUB I don’t want her to even touch 02 or savers,not to even mention tamers.
i... actually agree with lily orchard on her point about gen 7 story and how in-game lily is basically the protagonist and that the story would be better served by not having a silent thousand yard stare player character separate from the story they clearly wanted to tell?
like. i get silent protags when you are given dialogue tree options or have more autonomy within the happenings of the plot. hell, you bring up persona a lot-and i have my beef with persona games-but the silent protag in persona (within any SMT and children series/spinoffs for that matter) is perfectly _fine._ pokemon stories don't do this. i don't know _how_ to explain it, but the silence and linearity of plots in persona (/SMT) hits different. part of it is a sense of autonomy (persona largely gives you a time range and then allows you to allocate the segments of that range as you wish, for example), part of it is how in pokemon-esp with lily-you are constantly in 'catching up' dialogue with recurring characters despite being railroaded into interacting with them _a ton._ there is a lot of telling and only a little showing, and in all of it, you have seemingly zero influence narratively. persona, you get a lot more sense of influence-you are the leader of the group of persona users, you have all these relationship social links that improve in their own archs, etc. in SMT, you have a lot _less_ but in those games? being dragged along for the ride is kind of part of the mood. you are a nobody, with no followers, they are very isolating experiences. it hits different.
i think, honestly, you _can_ have a silent protagonist in pokemon and a larger narrative and it works. pokemon colosseum works just fine. the main character is silent but has a direct tie to the plot happening, a motive to be involved that is established. but the motive of 'be the champion' has no ties to why you're dragged into most pokemon plots. so there is a strong sense of being dragged along for a plot you are given (oftentimes very) little reason to give a shit about. it interrupts you at frequent intervals, for a story that doesn't involve you actively and says 'no, you're supposed to be becoming the champion, _however_ there is this other thing'.
i think what lily orchard said actually sounded surprisingly good. i think parts were problematic (lily can just be the default fem-presenting selections and shouldn't have to be blonde; lusamine and gladion can have alts to fit the default skin tones) and cutting out team skull is a serious oversight (this proposed protag lily would benefit from experiencing the anti-establishment group and also having to interact with people who _aren't_ wealthy, privileged and who have been forgotten and neglected to the point the _pokemon center_ is unmaintained....). but i genuinely think i would enjoy playing the character lily more than playing catch up whenever lily is on screen over and over again.
i just disagree strongly here with you. and it may be because i have a hard time projecting onto a player char model who has a kinda vapid expression... but i just don't think it works for these larger narratives they very clearly want to tell with gen 5 and 7. i _do_ think that the skeleton concept lily orchard proposed _sounds_ more engaging and funner to experience. and i do think it also fixes the problem lily o also brings up about lusamine, because the framing of (player) lily is to see lusamine as _her mom_ and so the motive is filtered through her narrative lens about the person she understands her as.
_i would add however_ that it's a children's game. so a protective mother figure or auntie type character who checks in on you as you travel who has been a support network for you from early childhood being established early on would be critical. i would make this kind of chosen family theme also be within the plot.
i need more investment and a feeling of autonomy in these narratives. pokemon stories, esp the more complex ones, don't do that for me. they feel like they actively rip my autonomy in playing _away_ and don't even try to offer why i should be invested and not just pushing through to play the game again. what lily o suggested as a general idea (again, it can be tweaked to include a silent mc-see persona, pokemon colosseum) offers more of that investment and gives a sense of 'of course i would do this story beat, it's the next step in this character's narrative' far better than the plot of sun and moon currently. there is a huge benefit and skilled artform in crafting linear pathed stories but in a way where players _feel as if_ they chose to act in the ways they did on their own accord. the gen 5/7 stories _don't_ feel this way to me (or lily o, i presume) and _especially_ not when the way they enforce the path is by blocking my way by some fucking dickweed on a stoutland who i can't argue with or ignore despite me genuinely not giving a shit about his stoutland sniffing around or whatever.
by the way? for male-preferring players, gladion and lily can be swapped in the story depending on which character you choose. there is no reason why not. we could totally use an emo queen popping up to scoff at sensitive little bro. she'd be a big fan hit. i _promise._
I agree on this one. Idk if I would like to customize Lily and Gladion, tho. Changing clothes is one thing, but changing skin color to match mine? They are their own characters. Just making them the main characters would suffice. Maybe being able to choose the two, with different paths that meet later on in the story, like in some rpgs.
Idk I kind of disagree
I feel like if we play as Lillie she’d already be halfway through her arc
I mean, Lillie starts out as this nervous girl who’s too self conscious and afraid to do much of anything on her own (if I remember right it’s been a bit since I played sun and moon ); our actions inspire her to do something in her life for once!
By making her a protag (and hence- a trainer by Pokémon standards) it would either go against her early game character with no real motivation to do anything- which would bring the ‘dragged along’ feel in a different way- or again, minimizing her character growth cause she’s already confident enough to make choices for herself.
Though, if we stepped away from the trainer aspect I could def see it as a spin off game instead. (Or maybe the lets go games should’ve been her trainer journey! That would be cool)
@@ohfricc3260 I'd also say in the case of Pokemon, we have to acknowledge and consider its status as a game that is made for a child audience in mind, every Pokemon Game is basically made as one that could be a kids first entry into the series, letting them grow up with it. Lillies story works better through this lense, because it allows kids to insert themselves into the MC and see themselves as Lilys friend, who helps her to overcome her fears, which can be a very empowering experience, as this allows the audience to immerse themself as this supportive and strong friend to her.
Lily can't see it because she does not want to immerse herself into the story or the world but also, because she has this very self-centered attitude where she feels like every piece of childrens media, as she doesn't consumes anything else, has to specifically cater to her tastes as a 30 year old groomer.
You can boil lily’s personality down to being miserable all the time, so everything about everything has a problem with it, even when it’s something she likes. Her need to be miserable outweighs her need to be consistent or have any good opinions about media.
Even if this is intentional rage bait this is like. REALLY embarrassing to attach your name to. "The problem is game freak didn't design the game correctly, super effective moves and typing shouldn't really matter, I should just be able to play the game with an underleveled team consisting of pokemon with low defense". Lily you are bad at the game. You are really really bad at the game. There is no "damage inflation", you are incapable of grasping things children can get. "It gets in the way of other strategies" no it doesn't, you just don't have very complex strategies that can account for weak defense pokemon and a lack of type advantages.
Also this is much more off topic but you mentioned the sims so I'm giving you engagement. Earning money to build bigger homes was never my favorite part of the sims. I will always get them in the game, hack in a bunch of money, spend hours building the house/apartment, and then play like it's a dollhouse. I do just like playing barbie dolls with my sims. I like making characters and playing around with them and getting them friends and sending them on weird wacky trips and adventures. Maybe Lily would have more fun playing the sims but with pokemon. Then again maybe she shouldn't get to play the sims but with pokemon I think she would be even weirder with her gardevior doll
@@demonninetaledfox Sounds like a valid way of playing Sims to me, although I'm not very familiar with those games. 😅
1:21:52 Hey, uh, Lily, weren't you happy when the last game's tyrant verbally abused his adopted son?
1:47:21 OH, SO YOU _ARE_ AWARE OF IT!?
1:58:04 It's almost as if it's a Role-Playing Game - y'know, a game where you're meant to play a ROLE in a STORY?
She complains so much about her pokemon being one hit but doesn't even consider her pokemons stats are the issue. Maybe don't use a glass cannon if you dont want your pokemon to faint in one hit
-To add on. Maybe she shouldn’t heavily (well-only) rely on Gardevoir for every single fight.
Actually have to give that fact about not necessarily knowing what Shinies are during gen 2 to Lily. Since it was a fan term not officially used until gen 4.
So if you were one of the many folks playing the most popular RPG ever and also didn't have a lot of Internet access back then, or no one in your friends group did, then unless you encounter one your self the game easiest assumption the red Gyarados was a unique encore.
At least there's a good reason for Lily to think that. As a fraction of us believed just that.
a lot of pre-'shiny' terminology used the phrase 'alternative colour pokemon', esp in guidebooks and the like at the time. there wasn't any official phrasing from the company.
however, there are npc dialogue that refers to seeing pokemon that are different or alternative colours. it is often the interact-text after the trainer has been flagged as battled, so it is easy to miss. i _want_ to say the dialogue for gen 2 is said by a character on the way to lake or rage or on the mountain scale south of blackthorn. i can't verify for sure, but i think 'oddly coloured pokemon', 'alternative coloured pokemon' or 'different colour pokemon' (usually also with context referring to them as very rare in one way or another) is given to at least one NPC per game from GSC onward. the wording used per game is how they got referred to in quality guidebooks (ie versus books) when referenced!
unfortunately? it is still really easy to read that text as fluff text that is just rumour if you don't know. so like, i want to be clear: i wouldn't blame anyone for thinking red gyara is a unique oddity. but it took one kid among the group to hear about it on 1999 serebii or in the guidebook/magazine to spread it out quick.
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So, she has played B2W2 and still doesn’t understand the story. Also, funny this is a retrospective look at Pokémon and she mentions Iris being a Pokémon champion but doesn’t say what game. Hmmm, that's very suspicious to me. Like if you didn’t play B2W2 for this retrospective than don't talk about B2W2 champion. Cause if I was someone who never played Pokémon and only watched this, I would be confused on how Iris is a Pokémon Champion. Since Alder is the Champion of the one gen5 game she "reviewed".
Why didn't she mention it?
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Can confirm, nobody was against Dexit because "Screw Charizard". It's because they cut out most of the cast and all we got were the same weak reused animations from way back in Gen 6.
They're STILL recycling those same weak reused animations from Gen 6!
X AND Y CAME OUT IN 2013!!!!
It'd be one thing if the game actually looked or felt like work went into the new animations and stuff to make up for this, if the environments and everything were just a way better experience. But it's not? The main selling point of the franchise just took a hit for very little in return.
That's why nobody really complains about the Dexcut for Legends Arceus, a game that actually did a lot of new stuff, but we're still mad about it in Gen 9. Because people are only fine with a big change like that if you give them something good to make up for what was lost.
Personally I was upset because Makuhita wasn’t in SwSh, and then Crobat wasn’t in SV
@@Gloomdrake Just keep waiting until every one of your favorites is in the same game, lol!
@@dracocrusher it’s just sad cause I’m really obsessed with ribbons
I mean, people didn't have a problem when the Colosseum games or Battle Revolution reused old models or animations, but I guess that's on me for being a stupid, brain-dead apologist shill r×××rd for not condemning Sword and Shield - oh, sorry, POKEMON SHIT AND SHILL- with every fibre of my being.
Sorry, but I'm just so tired of people treating others like they have something mentally wrong with them for not treating the games as well as GameFreak and anyone who even remotely enjoys them as these irredeemable stains on the world who deserve every horrible thing in the world, and I say this as someone who's been on the receiving end of this behaviour, including having someone try to act on what they perceived as 'righteous justice' for daring to speak out about the toxicity that some people within the more critical side of the fanbase has engaged in, including outright antisemitism!
The vitriolic reaction to the games was disproportionately atrocious and I will stand by that.
@@morganr9825 I mean, I'm a SwSh enjoyer myself, but if you feel bad for typing that first paragraph, why not just delete it before posting?
this is the one time where saying skill issue is a good counter argument
Also Masada didn’t even direct Sun and Moon through Scarlet and Violet Ohmori directed them.
1:48:33 "Talking like Beat" *Brings up a clip from Kingdom Hearts
Yeah she'd never play TWEWY.
cap here: Gardervoir is pretty good but ralts and kirlia are atrocious
That’s the point of the Pokémon too, best shown with Wally. Your first battle with him he only has his weak and frail Ralts. Then the next/last time you battle him, he has ana actual teams, and his partner had fully evolved into a capable Gardevoir/Gallade, showing their growth while the player was dealing with Team Magma/Aqua. Storytelling without explicitly stating it.
Design wise tho all 3 (or 4 if we include Gallade) are good, at least in my (and probably many others') opinion.
Lily had some points in the gen 2 part of the video. Pokemon like Houndour didn't need to be after the Elite 4. There are some that are just too weak to even try to grind back up to worthwhile levels. And by the time she got to gen 5 she's just rage baiting and cheating the games (while still not recognizing the actual mechanical problems of each game because she's just forcing Gardevoir, a very middling pokemon, into every interaction with a pokemon game after gen 2.) This entire video has just devolved into wish casting playthroughs of games that don't exist while completely failing to understand mechanics made for 6 year olds and calling it a "retrospective."
I think its really funny how lily says "the age old addage of slap black on anything and it makes it edgy and better"
but then later on we see shes dressed her character in all black. Projecting there a little, Lily? 😂
I think the main reason she hates the Totem fights so much is because they require her to rethink and change her "broken" Calm Mind/Reflect strategy with Gardevoir. And she doesn't want to do that.
For example, that strategy won't work well against Totem Mimikyu because it's faster than Gardevoir and is a Ghost type that specializes in Physical attacks...which doesn't bode well for Gardevoir since it has paper thin Physical Defense and a weakness to Ghosts. And that's not even taking the stat boost it gets at the start of the battle into account! In other words, sending out Gardevoir first (as her footage shows) is not a good idea. Cause it doesn't stand a chance unless you overlevel it (which we know she won't do cause she hates grinding). And even then it would probably still get one shot.
If she wants to play the game that way, fine. But blaming the game for her inability to adapt and change up her strategy is asinine. Its not because of "increased damage values" Lily! Your simply not adapting your strategy and your being punished for it. Simple as that!
What Gardevoir would want to be within 50 feet of orchard?
If Gardevoir were real, it would've either lived in fear under Lily's control or ran away/fought back.
I love how lily gushes over how overpowered and "broken" gardevoir is yet constantly whines about the game still somehow being "too hard" lmao which is it??
Cuz Gardevoir is good (but not broken, far from it), but its previous forms absolutely suck in battle.
I think a pokemon game with 1025 mons in it would make the game lag af, so i kinda get especially now why they decided to not include every pokemon in gen 8 and 9
Plus, imagine for most of the people who can’t afford all of the games and Pokémon Home. There would be no way to complete the National Dex for the Shiny Charm.
its ridiculous how much she complains about enemies being too strong when every time she's like 2-5 lvl below them
like idk you're hacking game already just idk cheat x2 exp or something so you don't have grind and save time when you're playing for making a video
I mean you shouldn't be one shot for being 2 levels lower in fairness but she's got some massive gaps in like gen 2
Right? Like, how can you cheat and still be this underpowered? 13 y/o me who cheated the pokemon he liked in the game at least grinded a bit, or used the level up candy cheat-
Hearing her talk about “damage scaling” and “inflated damage” is so funny, because Pokémon doesn’t do that. Instead of realizing that her team has exploitable weaknesses she’s refusing to play around, she just accuses the game of cheating
Or just turn the damn EXP Share on.
@@robertlupa8273 omg yes. The exp share being full party gives you so much freedom in building your team that, even if you want to swap around most of it, you can still have a decent level among them if you just bother to grind a little. And with the battle house in an early route, it's just really easy. Lily just wants everything served on a silver platter for her, just so she can complain about it
You aren’t even a totally silent protag in sun and moon. You can be a sassy kid or a sweet kid. Idk, it’s so silly an argument
I made this comment before 38:10 Basically says what i have here except for the art parts - Modding or cheating in a single player game is fine, I've done it myself for achievements and shit. But when the point is looking back on something to see how it's developed and replaying to see if it holds up, It feels contradictory to the entire point of a retrospective. Plus the skit's joke justifying(?) that item cheat it is just "Wife mad that their partner won't or can't do ___ so partner gives in cause threats". Ah yes, i love old sexist sitcom humor in a video about using the fact that we have the eyes of the future to look back at something in a new light and deconstruct it. I think others have said this as well, but it's just so clunky, you barley use art everywhere except for now? Maybe have some art of you reacting to story shit with your avatar in the MC's place sometimes so it's not so jarring? If you love these games draw something or have a speedpaint in the comer of you and your current gen team, ANYTHING that includes your art so when it's now a skit it's not like a animated cutaway gag in a live action documentary
Does she honestly believe the CPU has bonus stats? Only the player gets the EV stat boost. The player has so many advantages over the CPU, and yet she is struggling from regular trainers.
I mean it’s clear that she doesn’t fight any of the trainers since she is so severely under leveled in nearly every major battle the only one that is remotely close is her Gardevoir who is still lower leveled than most of the other Pokemon
Diantha is like the second worst champion in the series... only beat out by GEETA!!! She's so booooriiing like she'd be more interesting if she did something! of course Lily likes her and hates the top tier mommy Cynthia
Figured it was Thicc Wicke lol Also don't compare Xion to Lily poor girls been through enough already and Persona is heavily focused on story and has a silent protag
Lily like Diantha because Diantha is a pushover, and she hates Cynthia because Cynthia killed her a million times
Personally I liked Cynthia and Geeta and wouldn’t say really dislike Diantha either but I mostly remember her for her battle theme.
There are going to be 8 new mega evolution i think
Lily: That boy's the embodiment of "no thoughts, head empty."
The community: She's out of line, but she's right.
Can we have ONE video where Lily DOESN'T includes political talk into her scripts? I don't mean just the conservative trash talk, ALL political trash talking and projecting! Like Lily constantly projecting a political leaning on certain characters is insufferable!
You forgot "doesn't"/
@@robertlupa8273 Oops, let me fix that
3:33:45 _"(...) because I'm determined to make you all have a much worse opinion on me by the end of this project."_
And you did a _damn_ good job on that, Lily.
In the next weeks she's going to convince herself/try to convince everyone that her shit takes on Pokémon are the only reason everyone despises her.
I wonder if she'll play legends Arceus? Would she make her ralts an alpha just for a giant Gardevoir?