You can feel the pain of every pro player or analyst when they talk about this book. What a disaster. Thank you for making the effort, I’m certain custodes players appreciate it.
For the record, the standard Space Marine Land Raider does get a multi-melta, the Custodes one does not. Thanks for the video, always good to see you two on a tier list Tuesday :)
As somebody who's just making a counts-as-custodes army, I really appreciate the video. I know there's been a lot of negativity misdirected at content creators instead of GW but for those of us just looking to make the best of things and play, videos like this are very helpful. It would be great to have an addendum of allied units and a bit of composition talk, I know you touched on Kyria Draxus usage but I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the various assassins, chaff alternatives, and when/if investing in knights makes sense in 10th.
Gw absolutely mangled the rules set for this codex. The two out of only four detachments that aren't useless are just mediocre; and then they nerfed datasheets across the board. Following the trend gw has set, the points will be worse, not better, and it won't fix that they don't even seem fun to play. Even the index shifted dramatically when they removed their Fnp against mortals, so naturally they did it again while nerfing everything else. Absolutely ridiculous.
@@vortex21jw oh yeah, it's entirely possible they'll unfuck the codex in the next rebalance pass sometime in the summer. But I think the dark angels writer wrote their rules as well and is hard nerfing every army except eldar
I'm brand new amd chose custodes...still painting my army and never played yet so figured good time to try them while theyre down so they'll be the only version i know....and hopefully will get a buff!
I think you might of been wrong with the shield captain, and the number of free strats for talons. I think it's three that can be free no? Talon pincher, emperor's executioner and talons interlocked. All three say up to two adeptus custodes units .
The grav carrier is kind of fun to use. It’s a huge terrain piece for move blocking haha. My two call grav tanks whiff so often I get tired of using them. That d6 damage is just so unreliable.
So since I'm new, why can't you use Epic Deeds from Auric Champions with Shield Captain. A few of the strategems say they target the unit, so wouldn't that count? E.x. Emperors Auspice says "Target: One Adeptus Custodes Character unit from your army that was selected as the target of one or more of the attacking unit's attacks." So wouldn't that work to give their unit FNP 4+?
Specifically, this means you can't use it for free with the Shield Captain's rule as that can only be used on Battle Tactics. A Shield Captain could still pay for the stratagem as normal.
The thing is why take the captain if his ability is only working half, its why the alarus one is so much better, more stats and better second ability for the same points...
I was excited to get back into the game with my first army I picked up in 8th. However, I guess I'll wait for next edition. Also why get rid of half the model range by removing forgeworld?
stretch your imagination. Imagine, if you will, a world so dark and wretched that the plasma cannon was about the same amount of shots; but ap1; whilst the mini onslaught wasnt dev wounds. What a horrible and truly grimdark future that would be. A terrible and frigtening place.
Curious on the solo bike cap. 2 bikes are bad; but are ~50% more attacks/wounds than the captain for 10pts more. No fancy ability but the new detachments have fallback/charge.
@ Jack: we have seen you use Draxus in every single batrep with custodes. Just thinking out loud can and is she useful in a space marine list? According to Waha she can lead Assault Intercessors, Bloodclaws or BT PCS and with that killer shooting and she buffs the squad with +1 hit for 75pt. Any thoughts?
Custodes seem pretty broke with all the new rules / nerfs. So end of this Q2 there will be a points update I guess. Only this can save the day and TBH playing 40K doesnt make any sense until then. Proove me wrong :)
@@alexmoran3187 maybe that wouldn't be lore accurate anymore and I think they know it. Hopefully they're not going for female custodes now :D hahahahahah they would simply outclass male custodes suddenly.. cause... they're always been there you know? ;D Ok, stupid topic now, haha. But I believe they truly castrated custodes and point decreases here and there would make sense.. but one custode should outclass 3 or 4 Space Marines. I think they overkilled the Shield-captains from .... a choice to.. no choice.. I truly do not understand this move. They invented a mechanic with free stratagems, then they nerfed access of stratagems and now this ? Then you can't reinforce your squads anymore... you can't have 10 guard stacks .... I mean, what is left ? If you look at the nerf history now and then looking into this codex? Definitely not gonna buy that codex. Actually I think of finishing my models and then just sell my whole army (which is like 3500+ PTS)
How do people get their hands on stuff like Valerian or the Xeno Inquisitor, when GW doesn't sell either of them and regular stores couldn't order them?
Played a game vs deathguard a week ago, got obliterated by lethal hits across the board and troops with better abilities weapons etc... for a lot less points than the custodes... I mean there is just no way they can compete with any top list atm... they wont get the 40% bracket... they will have the 0%, its unplayable in competitve environment.
No codex up till now had gigantic points drops comparing to the codex or index version. But lets say GW drops even 5 pts per each hero run in a custodes list, you now have extra 50-60pts to spend. You won't be even able to buy a sisters rhino.
The rules and stats in this book (and the ridiculous hacktivist/NPC insert of Femtodes) has taken myself and several people in my city’s play group totally out of supporting this army. Whoever was in charge of this book needs to be fired. Period.
Yeah, sure if you make them dirt cheap, they will still kick ass. But the point is that these are Custodes. They should be very expensive per model and have some of the most elite stats and rules. These here are bland and weak. Even if they made them so cheap they would win every tournament, this would still be crappy design!
@@andrewgillett9255 but it didn't make the units cheaper then the index. DA DW knights don't cost 295pts ,but they still cost more then the index version, for dramaticly worse set of rules. By the way too cheap stuff in the index (azrael, Ctan etc) stayed too cheap in the codex.
@@PBspartanPAGEbasically there no good custodes units. Tanks are OK, but not better than other factions tanks. Bikes are rubbish. All other units are too expensive and useless. No durability, low damage, movement 6. No good stratagems for any unit.
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1:23 Intro
7:12 Valerian
11:48 Shield Captain
15:40 Blade Champions
17:47 Allarus Shield Captain
21:32 Shield Captain on Bike
26:20 Trajann Valoris
32:12 Custodian Guard
37:32 Custodian Wardens
40:24 Allarus Terminators
43:22 Vertus Praetors
48:43 Contemptor Dreadnought
51:34 Aleya
54:02 Knight Centura
56:20 Prosecutors
59:25 Witch Seekers
1:01:13 Vigilators
1:02:50 Rhino
1:04:46 Venerable Land Raider
1:07:30 Sagitarum
1:12:39 Venetari
1:15:05 Aquilon Terminators
1:18:40 Agamatus Bike
1:21:29 Contemptor Achilus Dreadnought
1:24:58 Contemptor Galatus Dreadnought
1:26:31 Telemon Heavy Dreadnought
1:29:08 Pallas Grav-tank
1:31:55 Coronus Grav-carrier
1:34:10 Caladius Grav-tank
1:38:42 Ares Gunship
1:43:40 Orion Gunship
1:48:29 Closing Thoughts
You can feel the pain of every pro player or analyst when they talk about this book. What a disaster. Thank you for making the effort, I’m certain custodes players appreciate it.
For the record, the standard Space Marine Land Raider does get a multi-melta, the Custodes one does not. Thanks for the video, always good to see you two on a tier list Tuesday :)
As somebody who's just making a counts-as-custodes army, I really appreciate the video. I know there's been a lot of negativity misdirected at content creators instead of GW but for those of us just looking to make the best of things and play, videos like this are very helpful. It would be great to have an addendum of allied units and a bit of composition talk, I know you touched on Kyria Draxus usage but I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the various assassins, chaff alternatives, and when/if investing in knights makes sense in 10th.
Gw absolutely mangled the rules set for this codex. The two out of only four detachments that aren't useless are just mediocre; and then they nerfed datasheets across the board. Following the trend gw has set, the points will be worse, not better, and it won't fix that they don't even seem fun to play. Even the index shifted dramatically when they removed their Fnp against mortals, so naturally they did it again while nerfing everything else.
Absolutely ridiculous.
Maybe with the custodes codex GW will just remove all devastating wounds sources from the game and limit mortal wounds to a few rare sources.
@piotrjeske4599 i don't think that's likely. That would just piss everyone else off. I'm not even sure how much that would improve game balance really
Bruh not just the codex, they did us dirty with the forge world
Worlds, the only decent data sheet is the grav tank and maybe the venatari
You need to remember this codex was written and printed months ago probably before they even gave us our dev protection back
@@vortex21jw oh yeah, it's entirely possible they'll unfuck the codex in the next rebalance pass sometime in the summer. But I think the dark angels writer wrote their rules as well and is hard nerfing every army except eldar
When a model gets worse, but is better now that the rest of the army is objectively terrible - you know that the rest of the Tier List is gonna be 🔥.
I'm brand new amd chose custodes...still painting my army and never played yet so figured good time to try them while theyre down so they'll be the only version i know....and hopefully will get a buff!
That’s my plan too
I love how to average more hits with a custodes missile than an ork missile is a flex in this codex 😂😂
It's kind of wild how, despite being such a shallow codex, so much stuff is just bad
Well the points are out and GW never fails to disappoint.
I think you might of been wrong with the shield captain, and the number of free strats for talons. I think it's three that can be free no? Talon pincher, emperor's executioner and talons interlocked. All three say up to two adeptus custodes units .
I mean, as it stands: Draxus+Guard+Canis Rex+3*Caladius = 1470
So "Tankstodes" FTW?
Whose ready for 100 point bikes baybeeeeee!
I'm thanking my lucky stars that I neglected to make any of my Guards or Wardens into Shield Captains.
The grav carrier is kind of fun to use. It’s a huge terrain piece for move blocking haha. My two call grav tanks whiff so often I get tired of using them. That d6 damage is just so unreliable.
Hi, the Space Marines regular land raider can in fact take a multi melta and storm bolter. It’s just the Custodes one that’s worse
much appreciated
love tier list tuesday
Gee whiz the passive aggresiveness is wild with these two 😂😂😂😂
So since I'm new, why can't you use Epic Deeds from Auric Champions with Shield Captain. A few of the strategems say they target the unit, so wouldn't that count? E.x. Emperors Auspice says "Target: One Adeptus Custodes Character unit from your army that was selected as the target of one or more of the attacking unit's attacks." So wouldn't that work to give their unit FNP 4+?
Specifically, this means you can't use it for free with the Shield Captain's rule as that can only be used on Battle Tactics. A Shield Captain could still pay for the stratagem as normal.
The thing is why take the captain if his ability is only working half, its why the alarus one is so much better, more stats and better second ability for the same points...
I was excited to get back into the game with my first army I picked up in 8th. However, I guess I'll wait for next edition. Also why get rid of half the model range by removing forgeworld?
They haven't removed the forgeworld stuff, they just didn't put it in the codex for some reason. They're still completely legal to use.
>1:28:51 "What if a Redemptor did no damage?"
Isn't that just a Redemptor?
stretch your imagination. Imagine, if you will, a world so dark and wretched that the plasma cannon was about the same amount of shots; but ap1; whilst the mini onslaught wasnt dev wounds. What a horrible and truly grimdark future that would be. A terrible and frigtening place.
@@fuzzBuket horrifying!
@@fuzzBuketdon't redemptors have like 7" or 8" move too?
@@piotrjeske4599 telemon kept its 8" move iirc. Its just the contemptors that have a little move because they have dainty feet.
@@fuzzBuket They've got some pretty decent legs to them, surely at least average.
Curious on the solo bike cap. 2 bikes are bad; but are ~50% more attacks/wounds than the captain for 10pts more. No fancy ability but the new detachments have fallback/charge.
Probably cap is best with 6 agamatus. Can be really good against shooting armies that can't shoot after fallback
I think it is about having a semi-useful place for a shield captain only enhancement. Especially the redeploy one.
I keep hearing "Auric Champions" as "Orc Champions".
There have always been orc custodes XD
Once again confirming that I will not be buying this godawful excuse for a codex. I'll just play Space Marines instead.
aquilons are 50 mm model base
@ Jack: we have seen you use Draxus in every single batrep with custodes. Just thinking out loud can and is she useful in a space marine list? According to Waha she can lead Assault Intercessors, Bloodclaws or BT PCS and with that killer shooting and she buffs the squad with +1 hit for 75pt. Any thoughts?
The reason she's so good with Custodes is she gets to reroll wounds and shoot twice, other armies don't buff her as much
Sad times for now 😢
Ws and bs modifiers don't exist *cries in deathguard
Custodes seem pretty broke with all the new rules / nerfs. So end of this Q2 there will be a points update I guess. Only this can save the day and TBH playing 40K doesnt make any sense until then. Proove me wrong :)
You’re right
Yea, point decreases, to have the same amount of custodes than grey knights or even space marines
@@alexmoran3187 maybe that wouldn't be lore accurate anymore and I think they know it. Hopefully they're not going for female custodes now :D hahahahahah they would simply outclass male custodes suddenly.. cause... they're always been there you know? ;D
Ok, stupid topic now, haha. But I believe they truly castrated custodes and point decreases here and there would make sense.. but one custode should outclass 3 or 4 Space Marines.
I think they overkilled the Shield-captains from .... a choice to.. no choice.. I truly do not understand this move. They invented a mechanic with free stratagems, then they nerfed access of stratagems and now this ?
Then you can't reinforce your squads anymore... you can't have 10 guard stacks .... I mean, what is left ? If you look at the nerf history now and then looking into this codex? Definitely not gonna buy that codex. Actually I think of finishing my models and then just sell my whole army (which is like 3500+ PTS)
@@zuluMXdon't! Endure! They will be better again and then you might regrett selling your bananas!
How do people get their hands on stuff like Valerian or the Xeno Inquisitor, when GW doesn't sell either of them and regular stores couldn't order them?
Guess why. Illegally.
Valerian is in stock in every online Shop I know and Kyria Draxus was in the imperium magazine for like 12 euros
I bought Draxus from a 3rd party shop in the UK, multiple shops had stock. Amazon has her.
#BuiltDifferentBro
Kitbash some wings, use a guard model and a sm head and Valerian is a go
Played a game vs deathguard a week ago, got obliterated by lethal hits across the board and troops with better abilities weapons etc... for a lot less points than the custodes...
I mean there is just no way they can compete with any top list atm... they wont get the 40% bracket... they will have the 0%, its unplayable in competitve environment.
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gonna completely change when MFM comes out, codex points are junk
No codex up till now had gigantic points drops comparing to the codex or index version. But lets say GW drops even 5 pts per each hero run in a custodes list, you now have extra 50-60pts to spend. You won't be even able to buy a sisters rhino.
The rules and stats in this book (and the ridiculous hacktivist/NPC insert of Femtodes) has taken myself and several people in my city’s play group totally out of supporting this army.
Whoever was in charge of this book needs to be fired. Period.
Prosecutors better Witchseekers....
Allarus Terminators tier 3
Dislike this top...
At least the rules are temporary but the lore change is eternal... What a shame they screw everything. f*cking dei
Wont this entirely depend on points? I don't see the point of this exercise until the new points come out?
Tbh havent for admech/crons the previous MFM points stayed almost exactly the same? IIRC thralls got a change with their book and that was about it.
Tyranids, SM, and Necrons all got point changes when their codex releases didn't they?
Yeah, sure if you make them dirt cheap, they will still kick ass. But the point is that these are Custodes. They should be very expensive per model and have some of the most elite stats and rules. These here are bland and weak. Even if they made them so cheap they would win every tournament, this would still be crappy design!
@@andrewgillett9255 but it didn't make the units cheaper then the index. DA DW knights don't cost 295pts ,but they still cost more then the index version, for dramaticly worse set of rules. By the way too cheap stuff in the index (azrael, Ctan etc) stayed too cheap in the codex.
Clearly the best codex made by GW. Custodes needs to be changed. This index was too screwed on 4++, 4+ fnp
Wouldn’t want a unit having that… meganobz 😂
Why do you rank useless units so high?
Which ones?
They put a lot of polish on these turds
@@PBspartanPAGEbasically there no good custodes units.
Tanks are OK, but not better than other factions tanks.
Bikes are rubbish. All other units are too expensive and useless. No durability, low damage, movement 6. No good stratagems for any unit.
Did you even watch the video?
They had a hard time trying to put this video together
@@ChunChun1025 for example, bike captain. They say: oh he has lans, hes not that bad.
Wrong. Hes bad
No way its tier 2 unit