Ep04 Laminating A Carbon Kayak Deck - Kayak Build - The Composites Shop
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- A Complete Carbon Kayak Deck Lay-up, laminated in a range of fibre glass Composite materials including Carbon Fibre and Woven Roving Fabrics to produce a stiff and robust kayak to withstand the rigors of heavy use. Explanations and demonstration of choosing, cutting, laminating and demoulding technique to get a beautiful result every time and the results speak for themselves. Thanks for watching . Ross
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You are a fountain of knowledge and have a way of sharing it. When you say something you also give us the 'why' behind it. Much easier to understand and remember so we dont make the same mistakes. Not interested in kayak making yet but I get so much tips on wet laminating. Thanks!
14:01 _I was just thinking how much I loved this new channel and how you share your thought process.
Then you dropped that $45,000 number and I about SH_T myself!
I had never really looked at the numbers that close for a roll. But after I recovered I'm back to thinking that I really enjoy your videos! THANK YOU! 😃
Thats 4 to 5k not 45k.$50 aussies per mtr.
@@LifeOnTheHulls _Much better!
Thanks, I LOVE your work. 😎
@@LifeOnTheHulls 😂
I've been watching the other channel for years. Life on the molds. This is the channel I was looking for all along.
Hot here in Thailand too got an Aussie mate that has air at his shop, I don't but have an open-air shop. I get the raw resin add my own Styrene and Cobalt to cure well in whatever temp. Takes getting used to it allows me full cure control.I got that long table but it folds up to not take up too much room when I am not doing layup. My moulds are five-meter one-man layup and are on wheels to roll out onto the sun for that post-cure. Nice vid...
G-day mate! Ross I really enjoy your videos. I have to say, you kinda blew me away. When you were talking about the role of carbon fiber being expensive, I was expecting you to say $1000 a roll.$45,000 a roll blew my mind. Thanks for sharing.
@@thecompositesshop Not entirely your fault Mate. I'm kinda deaf from working in Power Plants for 40 years. I will try to listen more closely. Thanks for clarifying. Also your work looks fabulous! A true pro!
Beautiful unit, not for the timid for sure, mark of a craftsman and proud you should be Ross !!
Another d moulding success and not a chainsaw insight
Again fab video Ross 👍🇬🇧😷keep safe 👍
Don't know why but I am not receiving any notification from this channel, just the "Hull" channel.
Amazing content! Would you be willing to discuss how you create the molds themselves?
He has a few videos in the other channel where he makes moulds for black water tanks (if i recall correctly).
Øyvind Hansen Thanks I’ll check em out
That looks great Rossco. Would love to have a go in a surf kayak. Have done a lot of kayaking here in South Africa in the rivers and the ocean but is pretty hard to keep a kayak going straight down a wave if there are no skegs so you end doing a lot of Eskimo rolls after a beating from the wave. Still a lot of fun having said that
Love the grief you're getting for 4 to 5 thousand a roll🙃 Thanks for a fantastic insite into your process.
Looks great!
I’ve never done “wet” layups.
Very cool!
I’ve only used vacuum bagged prepregs!
It’s a whole different animal.
Great videos!!!
Thanks for sharing Ross.
The amount of knowledge you have for this stuff amazes me with each video. Huge fan of your other channel as well!
Great job - can see the value in top end glass over mass produced poly boats
Can you do an episode about commercial pricing on material a bit more in depth, foam, resins, peal ply, carbon fibre and glass
That came out awesome bud, a real eye opener about how much effort goes into it. Thanks for sharing
Nice one Ross
Impressive.😀👍
Great content mate! The kayak looks awesome, and your tips and tricks are great. Really liked the aluminium profile in your cutting plate!
Peel ply tape. Adhesive technologies AKL, NZ. Must be some in AU?
another great video Rossco thanks for sharing your knowledge with us amateurs
Great Series Ross, I learned some new things.
Forgot to mention, 100mm wide tape from www.fiberglassshop.co.nz. 200gsm.
Great work mate. The purchaser should be happy with that combo👍🏼👍🏼
Hello Ross. Looking really good. Here in the States, a gallon of Acetone is just under $20.00 at the big box stores. Like you said, great for cleaning up. Loving your channel!
Oh wow John, I buy acetone by the 210ltr drum, so I guess 40gallon is approx 400Austraian Dollars / $300US Which is similar I guess. Cheers and appreciate you watching buddy. Rossco
A roll of 100 m Carbon cost in Germany around 12000€
@@thecompositesshop If Leon is correct on the price in Germany Ross that would be about $18 000 au. If that's the case you might be in a good place to export rolls to Germany and make a packet at the same time. hehe. Love your work and I am learning alot thanks mate.
Amazing boat!
Great Work! 👍
Awesome, cheers mate. Great info here.
What an amazing channel!, I’m hooked... please keep it going
07:25
Have you tried cutting your own peel ply tape from the wide rolls you have?
A chop saw should work or a fine tooth blade mounted backwards may do the trick.
Wrapping the roll where you want the cuts with some type of adhesive tape should reduce fraying.
@@thecompositesshop Ah, ok.
I have seen some replies here about Aircraft spruce company, they do have Aussie reps.
www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/stpages/international.php
Stay well my friend.
Another great, well explained video! Have you ever used a chopper gun to lay down the chopped strand? I suspect it's faster and less wasteful but the inevitable over spray makes a mess of the shop! Also takes some experience to ensure the layer has consistent thickness!
As usual great information. Thanks Ross
I'm curious: I've read that the maximum elongation of fiberglass and carbon is different. So that carbon and fiberglass often doesn't mix well. Because if you have a real stress on it, the carbon is always the first that breaks, before the fiberglass even gets stressed to max elongation. Basically like the "weakest link" in a chain. Or like mixing an elastic rubber band with a stiff string, the elastic won't contribute any strength.
I guess it works here because just the carbon alone would strong enough - you need additional thickness for a kajak, both for impact resistance and stiffness.
PS: Thanks for the video! The result is really beautiful.
Hi Dejay. I suspect you are right. On a short kayak like this I think risks are reduced. I believe in a 6m sea kayak with far greater stresses across the length of the boat this may be more of an issue.
I guess the reason that automobile painters have learned techniques to paint fake carbon fiber has something to do with that $45k stuff. LOL! Enjoyed the video. I wish I had known all of this back when I was glassing molds I made from large sculptures I had done. Maybe I wouldn't have had to work so hard at it. I'm loving the new channel Ross. Regards, Solomon
@@thecompositesshop lol! Still, I don't exactly keep that kind of money in my pocket either.
With your roll of peal ply , can you cut up a long sheet roll into many lengths of smaller rolls of peal ply
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Hi Ross, can you tell me whether you have to laminate the same day as applying the gelcoat (whilst still tacky), or could the laminating be done at another time? Thanks.
Would the process for laying up two colors of gelcoat in a straight line be similar? I'm just wondering how you would create hard lines without them squishing all over the place and getting wavy.
Hey there Rossco , I thought you would leave that top to cook off on the same side you laid all the glass down. On the video it looks like let set off upside down or mold side up I guess. Is there a difference or am I just reading way to much into it?
Hi Ross, here is a source of peel ply tape: www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/peelply.php?clickkey=5724
"Ozzy man makes a kayak"
Hey buddy, hope you're well. What CSM did you use for layer 1? Love the content by the way
In this case the first layer is 300csm which is suitable o avoid print through and ensure a bit of extra impact protection. Ross
@@thecompositesshop Thanks Ross - we have kinda been chatting on FB on the Kayak Builders page, I'm Martin :)
Hey Martin great to see you here.Cheers buddy.Rossco
Hi Ross, I would imagine you already have the solution to your peel ply issue but in case you haven't have a look here, www.nzfibreglass.co.nz/2015/shopexd.asp?id=120 they obviously acquire it from a manufacturer or wholesale outlet so it must be available to you in Australia. very interesting information you are providing and great well presented videos by the way.
what do you make you mold stiffeners out of?
I generally use foam and wooden bracing glued and glassed to the moulds to stiffen where required.
@@thecompositesshop thank you for the response! Excited to see more
I buy my 150mm peelply tape from Ecfiberglasssupplies.co.uk. You did say anywhere in the world lol.
If you throw in a chick wearing a bikini ~~~Things would be Perfect! ~~ Thanks Ross.
waste of time and didnt save any weight using carbon over chop ang glass roving especially with all that poly resin carbon only provided looks
Your price is cheap. 3 man hours for a real craftsman plus supplies and equipment for $600 bucks? A bargain.