You do realize that Jesus also says that not everyone is going to care to listen. We cannot shove someone on the ground and shove a Bible down their throat because we’re Christian. Sometimes it takes time. And sometimes they won’t listen. God speaks through us to get to them so that they may hear the word of god to get closer to him. But there is a thing called rejection. It says so in the Bible
Amen, he never did. Manmade traditions claim this is the case. They use the thorn in the flesh and Paul suggesting wine for tummy aches. Jesus never gave wine to cure tummy aches. The thorn is not sickness, it is persecution and widely accepted as such among many scholars.
That’s literally what He does with Lazarus- “So, when he heard that Lazarus was ill, he stayed two days longer in the place where he was.” John 11:6 ESV I think you need to reexamine your theology.
@@DominionLifePortland “As for the word that he sent to Israel, preaching good news of peace through Jesus Christ (he is Lord of all), you yourselves know what happened throughout all Judea, beginning from Galilee after the baptism that John proclaimed: how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him. And we are witnesses of all that he did both in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They put him to death by hanging him on a tree, but God raised him on the third day and made him to appear, not to all the people but to us who had been chosen by God as witnesses, who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead. To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.” Acts 10:36-43 ESV
@@DominionLifePortland your claim was Jesus never let a trial go on, you explicitly said “you will not find that in the Bible” I’m saying I think you should read a little more in the Bible because Jesus lets Lazarus die. He also does not fix the problem of Paul’s thorn in the flesh. Instead God uses our weakness and our suffering. We are commanded to “Share in suffering as a good soldier of Christ Jesus.” 2 Timothy 2:3 ESV so that we might know him in his sufferings (Philippians 3:10). Suffering is all throughout the Bible and so is healing. To throw away one or over emphasis another is a terribly bad way to read and teach the Bible.
@@Joshhsoj Thorn is not sickness it was likely persecution. His (Christ) suffering was not sickness, it was persecution. Jesus never left anyone sick where faith was present.
@@dominionofgod4715 I never said it was a sickness just something God didn’t remove, a trial he left. However Galatians 4:13 Paul talks about how God used a sickness or bodily ailment to get him to bring the gospel to the Galatians, are you saying Paul didn’t have faith to be healed?
Are you joking? This needs to stop being preached!! This is so far from being true! Look at what Jesus says to Paul “Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this, that it should leave me. But he said to me, “MY GRACE IS SUFFICIENT FOR YOU, FOR MY POWER IS MADE PERFECT IN WEAKNESS.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me.” 2 Corinthians 12:8-9 ESV Jesus literally says the exact opposite of what this guy is saying. He explicitly says this trial is going to go on but don’t worry my grace is sufficient for you to endure this suffering.
@@Joshhsoj The Greek word used for "thorn" in 2 Corinthians 12:7 is "σκόλοψ" (skolops), which literally means a "stake" or "thorn" and is not typically used to refer to sickness or disease. The interpretation that Paul’s "thorn in the flesh" refers to persecution is a widely accepted view among scholars. Paul faced significant opposition and persecution throughout his ministry, which could very well be what he describes in 2 Corinthians 12:7-10. Here are some points supporting this interpretation: Paul's Experiences of Persecution: Throughout his letters and the Acts of the Apostles, Paul documents numerous instances of persecution. He was beaten, imprisoned, stoned, and faced opposition from both Jews and Gentiles (see 2 Corinthians 11:23-28 for a detailed list of his sufferings). "Messenger of Satan": The term "messenger of Satan" can be understood as referring to those who opposed and persecuted him. In other passages, Paul refers to his opponents as being influenced by satanic forces (e.g., 1 Thessalonians 2:18). Context of Weakness and Strength: In 2 Corinthians 12:9-10, Paul emphasizes that his weaknesses, including insults, hardships, persecutions, and difficulties, highlight the power of Christ working in him. This suggests that his "thorn" could encompass all these trials, with persecution being a significant component. Other Scriptural References: Paul's letters often mention the constant pressure and persecution he endures. For example, in Galatians 4:13-14, Paul talks about a physical ailment he had when he preached to the Galatians, which shows he did have physical struggles, but these were distinct from the persecutions he faced. By considering these points, it’s reasonable to interpret the "thorn in the flesh" as representing the ongoing persecution and opposition Paul faced, which served as a constant source of pain and difficulty in his ministry. This interpretation aligns well with the broader themes of Paul's writings about enduring suffering for the sake of the Gospel and finding strength in Christ amid weaknesses.
@@Joshhsoj The power of Christ is in Matthew 10:8 freely you have received freely give! Healing! THe trials are promised as persecution not sickness. You can't find a verse from Jesus where he leaves people sick. Only in his hometown he could not heal but a few and it was due to their unbelief. Jesus the same, yesterday, today and forever!
@@dominionofgod4715 John 11 Jesus leaves Lazarus sick, lets him die and then says the illness is for the glory of God. This is the problem with this theological system- the emphasis is all today not recognizing that we are still waiting for the redemption of our bodies (Romans 8:23)
Do you also “Go nowhere among the Gentiles and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”? (Matthew 10:5-6) Also doesn’t Jesus leave Lazarus sick until Lazarus died? I’m pretty sure that’s refutes your claim of there “not being a single verse” there’s literally a whole chapter devoted to it.
The phrase "He could not do many miracles there because of their unbelief" refers to an event in Jesus' ministry recorded in the Gospels, specifically in Matthew 13:58 and Mark 6:5-6. Here is the relevant passage from Matthew 13:58 (NIV): > "And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith." Similarly, Mark 6:5-6 (NIV) states: > "He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them. He was amazed at their lack of faith." In these passages, Jesus visits his hometown of Nazareth and teaches in the synagogue. Despite his wisdom and the miracles he had performed elsewhere, the people of Nazareth were skeptical and took offense at him, questioning his authority because they knew him and his family. Their familiarity with Jesus as a local carpenter and the son of Mary led them to doubt his divine authority and messianic identity. Key points to consider: 1. **Lack of Faith**: The unbelief of the people in Nazareth was a significant barrier to Jesus performing miracles there. Faith is often highlighted in the Gospels as a key component in the working of miracles. Jesus frequently said, "Your faith has healed you" (e.g., Matthew 9:22, Mark 5:34, Luke 17:19). 2. **Jesus’ Response to Unbelief**: Despite his power, Jesus chose not to perform many miracles in an environment where there was widespread unbelief. This does not imply a limitation on his power but rather reflects the principle that faith is crucial in the dynamics of receiving God's miracles. 3. **Miracles and Faith Relationship**: The relationship between miracles and faith is a recurring theme in the Gospels. While Jesus did perform some healing miracles in Nazareth, the overall lack of faith among the people limited the extent of his miraculous works. 4. **Amazement at Unbelief**: Jesus' amazement at their lack of faith underscores the significance of their unbelief. It serves as a stark contrast to other instances where Jesus commended great faith, even among Gentiles (e.g., the Roman centurion in Matthew 8:10). These passages illustrate that while Jesus' ability to perform miracles was not inherently restricted, the people's lack of faith created an environment where miracles were not welcomed or received. The narratives highlight the importance of faith in experiencing the fullness of God's work in one's life.
@@Joshhsoj That's the problem, you think you need to ask God for something that is freely given to all disciples (students of Christ). Matt 10:8 it says freely you have received freely give. You can't give what you have not received by faith. Peter confirms it is by faith in his name not by some magical prayer. You can't pray the prayer of faith in James 5:14-15 if you don't believe Matt 10:8.
@@Joshhsoj Do you believe on the12 are believers? Mark 16:17-18 "And these signs will accompany those who BELIEVE: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."
Jesus also knew what was in each of those peoples hearts. He knew if they had the faith to be healed. We can’t always know if someone is ready. Good intention on the message, but it’s lacking true depth. It just sounds good on the ears.
We have the mind of Christ. We can too, words of knowledge. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. Jesus also raised the dead, they had no faith for themselves, young man in Nain he had compassion and still does through us.
Do y’all think there was maybe something unique about Jesus and the apostles in that God worked miracles through them in a special way maybe for a specific purpose? Would you say Peter should have rebuked those believers in Joppa who let Tabitha (Dorcas) die of an illness and then rather than trying to raise her from the dead sent for Peter?
@@Joshhsoj Nowhere does it say the miracles are just for the disciples. He even commands the disciples to teach them to observe all things including Mat 10:8. It also says, a disciple fully trained will be like his master. Disciples had to be trained, they didn't get right away and even failed. Paul also raised the dead, he was not part of the original 12. A man who was not a disciple was also casting out demons in his name. Peter also attributes it to his name in Acts 3 not to some special anointing.
@@dominionofgod4715 smh Paul is certainly one of the apostles “The signs of a true apostle were performed among you with utmost patience, with signs and wonders and mighty works.” 2 Corinthians 12:12 ESV Yes God works miracles through believers but there was a specific authority given to the apostles and scribes who had the specific purpose of laying the foundation of the kingdom (Matthew 13:52). Again this is why the believers called for Peter after the death of Tabitha (Dorcas).
You do realize that Jesus also says that not everyone is going to care to listen.
We cannot shove someone on the ground and shove a Bible down their throat because we’re Christian. Sometimes it takes time. And sometimes they won’t listen.
God speaks through us to get to them so that they may hear the word of god to get closer to him. But there is a thing called rejection. It says so in the Bible
If they get healed they will know the goodness of GOd and that leads to repentance.
Amen, he never did. Manmade traditions claim this is the case. They use the thorn in the flesh and Paul suggesting wine for tummy aches.
Jesus never gave wine to cure tummy aches. The thorn is not sickness, it is persecution and widely accepted as such among many scholars.
That’s literally what He does with Lazarus-
“So, when he heard that Lazarus was ill, he stayed two days longer in the place where he was.”
John 11:6 ESV
I think you need to reexamine your theology.
Acts 10:38
@@DominionLifePortland “As for the word that he sent to Israel, preaching good news of peace through Jesus Christ (he is Lord of all), you yourselves know what happened throughout all Judea, beginning from Galilee after the baptism that John proclaimed: how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him. And we are witnesses of all that he did both in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They put him to death by hanging him on a tree, but God raised him on the third day and made him to appear, not to all the people but to us who had been chosen by God as witnesses, who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead. To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
Acts 10:36-43 ESV
@@DominionLifePortland your claim was Jesus never let a trial go on, you explicitly said “you will not find that in the Bible” I’m saying I think you should read a little more in the Bible because Jesus lets Lazarus die. He also does not fix the problem of Paul’s thorn in the flesh.
Instead God uses our weakness and our suffering. We are commanded to “Share in suffering as a good soldier of Christ Jesus.”
2 Timothy 2:3 ESV so that we might know him in his sufferings (Philippians 3:10). Suffering is all throughout the Bible and so is healing. To throw away one or over emphasis another is a terribly bad way to read and teach the Bible.
@@Joshhsoj
Thorn is not sickness it was likely persecution. His (Christ) suffering was not sickness, it was persecution. Jesus never left anyone sick where faith was present.
@@dominionofgod4715 I never said it was a sickness just something God didn’t remove, a trial he left. However Galatians 4:13 Paul talks about how God used a sickness or bodily ailment to get him to bring the gospel to the Galatians, are you saying Paul didn’t have faith to be healed?
Exactly this needs preached
Are you joking? This needs to stop being preached!! This is so far from being true! Look at what Jesus says to Paul
“Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this, that it should leave me. But he said to me, “MY GRACE IS SUFFICIENT FOR YOU, FOR MY POWER IS MADE PERFECT IN WEAKNESS.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me.”
2 Corinthians 12:8-9 ESV
Jesus literally says the exact opposite of what this guy is saying. He explicitly says this trial is going to go on but don’t worry my grace is sufficient for you to endure this suffering.
@@Joshhsoj
The Greek word used for "thorn" in 2 Corinthians 12:7 is "σκόλοψ" (skolops), which literally means a "stake" or "thorn" and is not typically used to refer to sickness or disease.
The interpretation that Paul’s "thorn in the flesh" refers to persecution is a widely accepted view among scholars. Paul faced significant opposition and persecution throughout his ministry, which could very well be what he describes in 2 Corinthians 12:7-10. Here are some points supporting this interpretation:
Paul's Experiences of Persecution: Throughout his letters and the Acts of the Apostles, Paul documents numerous instances of persecution. He was beaten, imprisoned, stoned, and faced opposition from both Jews and Gentiles (see 2 Corinthians 11:23-28 for a detailed list of his sufferings).
"Messenger of Satan": The term "messenger of Satan" can be understood as referring to those who opposed and persecuted him. In other passages, Paul refers to his opponents as being influenced by satanic forces (e.g., 1 Thessalonians 2:18).
Context of Weakness and Strength: In 2 Corinthians 12:9-10, Paul emphasizes that his weaknesses, including insults, hardships, persecutions, and difficulties, highlight the power of Christ working in him. This suggests that his "thorn" could encompass all these trials, with persecution being a significant component.
Other Scriptural References: Paul's letters often mention the constant pressure and persecution he endures. For example, in Galatians 4:13-14, Paul talks about a physical ailment he had when he preached to the Galatians, which shows he did have physical struggles, but these were distinct from the persecutions he faced.
By considering these points, it’s reasonable to interpret the "thorn in the flesh" as representing the ongoing persecution and opposition Paul faced, which served as a constant source of pain and difficulty in his ministry. This interpretation aligns well with the broader themes of Paul's writings about enduring suffering for the sake of the Gospel and finding strength in Christ amid weaknesses.
@@Joshhsoj
The power of Christ is in Matthew 10:8 freely you have received freely give! Healing!
THe trials are promised as persecution not sickness. You can't find a verse from Jesus where he leaves people sick. Only in his hometown he could not heal but a few and it was due to their unbelief.
Jesus the same, yesterday, today and forever!
@@dominionofgod4715 John 11 Jesus leaves Lazarus sick, lets him die and then says the illness is for the glory of God. This is the problem with this theological system- the emphasis is all today not recognizing that we are still waiting for the redemption of our bodies (Romans 8:23)
Do you also “Go nowhere among the Gentiles and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”?
(Matthew 10:5-6)
Also doesn’t Jesus leave Lazarus sick until Lazarus died? I’m pretty sure that’s refutes your claim of there “not being a single verse” there’s literally a whole chapter devoted to it.
So he just does it to everyone today? Haha good story
The phrase "He could not do many miracles there because of their unbelief" refers to an event in Jesus' ministry recorded in the Gospels, specifically in Matthew 13:58 and Mark 6:5-6. Here is the relevant passage from Matthew 13:58 (NIV):
> "And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith."
Similarly, Mark 6:5-6 (NIV) states:
> "He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them. He was amazed at their lack of faith."
In these passages, Jesus visits his hometown of Nazareth and teaches in the synagogue. Despite his wisdom and the miracles he had performed elsewhere, the people of Nazareth were skeptical and took offense at him, questioning his authority because they knew him and his family. Their familiarity with Jesus as a local carpenter and the son of Mary led them to doubt his divine authority and messianic identity.
Key points to consider:
1. **Lack of Faith**: The unbelief of the people in Nazareth was a significant barrier to Jesus performing miracles there. Faith is often highlighted in the Gospels as a key component in the working of miracles. Jesus frequently said, "Your faith has healed you" (e.g., Matthew 9:22, Mark 5:34, Luke 17:19).
2. **Jesus’ Response to Unbelief**: Despite his power, Jesus chose not to perform many miracles in an environment where there was widespread unbelief. This does not imply a limitation on his power but rather reflects the principle that faith is crucial in the dynamics of receiving God's miracles.
3. **Miracles and Faith Relationship**: The relationship between miracles and faith is a recurring theme in the Gospels. While Jesus did perform some healing miracles in Nazareth, the overall lack of faith among the people limited the extent of his miraculous works.
4. **Amazement at Unbelief**: Jesus' amazement at their lack of faith underscores the significance of their unbelief. It serves as a stark contrast to other instances where Jesus commended great faith, even among Gentiles (e.g., the Roman centurion in Matthew 8:10).
These passages illustrate that while Jesus' ability to perform miracles was not inherently restricted, the people's lack of faith created an environment where miracles were not welcomed or received. The narratives highlight the importance of faith in experiencing the fullness of God's work in one's life.
@@dominionofgod4715gotcha so if you ask God to heal someone and they are not healed it’s their fault? Sounds like a heavy burden (Matthew 23)
@@dominionofgod4715what if you only have a small amount of faith like just a teenie tiny bit like the size of an ant or poppy seed?
@@Joshhsoj
That's the problem, you think you need to ask God for something that is freely given to all disciples (students of Christ). Matt 10:8 it says freely you have received freely give. You can't give what you have not received by faith. Peter confirms it is by faith in his name not by some magical prayer. You can't pray the prayer of faith in James 5:14-15 if you don't believe Matt 10:8.
@@Joshhsoj
Do you believe on the12 are believers?
Mark 16:17-18
"And these signs will accompany those who BELIEVE: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."
Lol another wash braun give up bro😂😂😂
Jesus also knew what was in each of those peoples hearts. He knew if they had the faith to be healed. We can’t always know if someone is ready. Good intention on the message, but it’s lacking true depth. It just sounds good on the ears.
In Mark 16, Jesus commanded believers to lay hands on the sick!
We have the mind of Christ.
We can too, words of knowledge. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. Jesus also raised the dead, they had no faith for themselves, young man in Nain he had compassion and still does through us.
Do y’all think there was maybe something unique about Jesus and the apostles in that God worked miracles through them in a special way maybe for a specific purpose? Would you say Peter should have rebuked those believers in Joppa who let Tabitha (Dorcas) die of an illness and then rather than trying to raise her from the dead sent for Peter?
@@Joshhsoj
Nowhere does it say the miracles are just for the disciples. He even commands the disciples to teach them to observe all things including Mat 10:8. It also says, a disciple fully trained will be like his master. Disciples had to be trained, they didn't get right away and even failed.
Paul also raised the dead, he was not part of the original 12. A man who was not a disciple was also casting out demons in his name. Peter also attributes it to his name in Acts 3 not to some special anointing.
@@dominionofgod4715 smh Paul is certainly one of the apostles
“The signs of a true apostle were performed among you with utmost patience, with signs and wonders and mighty works.”
2 Corinthians 12:12 ESV
Yes God works miracles through believers but there was a specific authority given to the apostles and scribes who had the specific purpose of laying the foundation of the kingdom (Matthew 13:52). Again this is why the believers called for Peter after the death of Tabitha (Dorcas).