🤔 What is the BEST LIGHTWEIGHT DUAL SPORT Motorcycle 🤔 KLX300 CRF300 WR250R DRZ400 CRF250L KLX250
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I had a 2021 KLX300 (it became available locally first; I'd have taken either). My buddy got the CRF300L and addressed the suspension. So, take the suspension out of it. I rode both back to back on sandy single track. Pushing it on the single track, there's something about frame geometry and the way the bikes carry their weight or something. The KLX was heaps better off road, in my opinion, end of story. That being said, the CRF is probably the better overall bike, if you're going to do more mixed riding with more time on the road. Also, I witnessed what you mentioned about how the Honda is less robust when crashing off road. My KLX was dropped several times with nothing breaking, while my buddy had to replace rear brake lever, gear selector, and the rear plastics from crashes. Light crashes. But here's a real concern: I had problems with my KLX. It spent time in the shop with electrical gremlins. My buddy's CRF has been reliable. I replaced my KLX300 with a CRF450L and CRF250RX and have absolutely no regrets. So, maybe the KLX is the better more dirt capable dual sport, but the Honda is most likely the more reliable and better well-rounded bike.
Spoken like a guy that has some experience regarding this thing I really appreciate the comment these are things that I've kind of like figure out myself but I needed confirmation and you definitely gave me some
I'm on a DRZ400S and I don't feel confident off road on trails as I feel like its a heavy tank. Do you have any experience between the DRZ400s and the KLX300 on how it will "Feel" off road? I know, less power, and I would miss that but I'm not a speed demo and would love more confidence & control. Thoughts?
I don’t have any off road experience on a DRZ so I have no real basis for comparison. Sorry. I would assume that the KLX300 is easier off road because it’s lighter and not as tall, but I can’t confirm that, it’s merely speculation.
@@KenRupin The DRZ400S is top heavy and dangerously so. Seat height is too high. There's no fixing the top heaviness of the DRZ400S, I've tried. The motor sits too high in the bike. The frame and ergonomics of the DRZ400S need a whole new design. Sorry, but these are the facts, not my opinion. The DRZ400S is dangerously top heavy. Until Suzuki addresses this problem, I would avoid the DRZ400S.
@@KenRupin i have a klx300 and like it off road not so much on road. I still think it is a little to heavy. My friend has the drz400. (I learned riding on that one). The 400 is more powerful. I love the power of it (wheelies). However it feels a lot heavier. I use it in the mountains of east Tennessee and in the tight turn in the mud it is more sloppy. Thats where I feel the weight. For my next one I am thinking of the ktm 500. It is lighter and more powerful than the dzr and klx. But is more expensive. Another opinion i am think is the w450f and make it street legal. Ktm is the best choice for me. I just have to keep on saving.
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Fellow Romanian here. I own a Yamaha WR250F. Love it but it has its limitations, like not being street legal, fuel range pretty low, and the noise it makes. I recently bought a used Honda CRF250L with 9000 km on the clock. Bought the CRF with the intention to sell the Yamaha. But guess what, I no longer intend to sell my blue love. The two bikes complement each other in the sense that one excels on the dirt and the other is more all-rounded. When I want to do some workouts and get all the muscles activated, then it’s Yamaha time. If I want to explore the nature and ride longer distances, then it’s time for the plush Honda. Love your comment about being too old for being uncomfortable:) Would be great to meet you in person if you plan to come to Romania any time soon. Cheers!
I made a touring bike out of my Yamaha. It has a steering damper, 4.7 gallon tank, heated grips, heated seats concepts seat. Hope to do the Trans America trail with it. The Yamaha will pull all day on the highway. 350 watt stator is what makes it a touring bike. Pretty sure it's motor will have the longest life span.
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Tough decision, but of these, I would have to go with the KLX 300
People say the wr250r doesn’t have any low end grunt but imo it’s got plenty of it. I’ve driven all 3 and I like the Wr most. Also, the Wr has more power but not by as much as people make it seem it just rips harder past around 6000 rpm. I will say the suspension on all 3 is decent but the Wr suspension is a lot more adjustable than I expected it to be, like you can feel small adjustments. The Honda feels easier to ride on the trails. The klx is honestly better than I expected for a Kawasaki and is a good middle ground between the CRF and WR 😂.. I slightly prefer the WR so that’s why I bought the newest one I could find. That said I almost got the KLX. I happened to find a 2021 Wr in 2023 with 170 miles on it so ended up getting it. I rode true MX bikes before the dual sport and I’ll say I’m very impressed with the WR suspension and that’s what matters to me probably more than anything else and I actually like the way the WR revs as opposed to the others. I did also ride a Honda 250L and it was too slow in my opinion I could def tell a the klx and wr was faster and felt a lot faster. That said the 250L is probably the most reliable of them. I will also say ABS doesn’t belong off road
Thanks for your post. I appreciate how you kept the price reasonable, as it's not practical for me to spend loads on a bike when an entry level can still get me out there and work on my skill. I'm looking to buy my first bike as an adult and though I want track specific, I feel like my 15 minute commutes may see more action than the occasions I can get away due to family with kids and wife etc. I too have blue in my blood, from growing up nostalgia. Time and time again it doesn't seem like the option, and still using old technology. All that to say I'm curious what you'd think with KTM or Husq. I see a hand full more of KTM, here in the Midwest, so that may be an option to pay a touch more for it's quality. I'd love to know your thoughts. Thanks!
I've got about 1,200 miles of heavy off road riding on my 2022 KLX300 at this point. I'm also a sucky rider, so it's definitely slammed into the ground way too many times. My other bikes are a DR200, TW200, and DRZ125L, so I can't compare to the CRF300. The big things I noticed on KLX was it took me forever to find the sweet spot on the suspension, but it's great both onroad and off road once you find it. The seat sucks, but a Mad Dog seat cover with 1/2" of bouncy packing foam cut to fit under it corrected the issue completely (attached the seat cover with paracord and cut off the plastic connectors). I have had zero issues, other than a fork leak which happened in the first couple hundred miles. Cleaned it out and put seal savers on...zero issues since. The other thing which I've noticed, and others have told me about, is the KLX300 seems a little front heavy. Maybe it's just me, but steep gravely or rocky downhills don't feel so stable. The bike's exhaust isn't pretty, but with some Tusk panniers and a rear rack on it, I've kind of forgotten about the silver terd sticking out of the plastics. I live in Northern Nevada, so my riding conditions are horrible desert horse trails, old mine roads, and occasional cross country through sage and/or pine forests. So far, given the options, I've got zero buyers remorse. Oh, and I changed the rear gearing to a 42, which, at least in my mind, gave me a very slight bit of help on the trails.
Excellent Info
Excellent comparison 👌
I made my decision back in 2019 to go for the camo KLX 250 because it is better off road. It is perfectly fine on the road as well. Still love it and that better suspension is very apparent off road.
I always enjoy watching your videos my friend. You always do a good job of editing and keeping your members interested. I just wanted to point out one small correction, the Yamaha WR 250R is 295 pounds, not 275 as you mentioned. No big deal.
I spend half of the year up in Mesquite. I'd love to get a ride in together with you one day.
Oh, just for the record, I've been to Romania 🇷🇴 before and loved it there.
Pretty solid breakdown.
I think I'm leaning towards the 300L rally for the bigger tank and the little windshield. To me, it's worth the extra little bit of weight and I'll take that squishy suspension.
If you do much riding on the pavement, you will really like the Rally wind screen. I owned a 250L Rally and the only reason I sold it was the tank shape flared too wide too quickly which made me have to spread my legs really wide when sitting against the tank which made my hips hurt.
I'm gonna get the Honda new, 57 years old, did 10,000 klm on my push bikes last year on road and off road, 1st motorbike, love exploring, great video you've made my decision.
For me, at only 20 to 30 lbs more, I would pick up a moded DR650. Tons more power and torque, and arguably as or more reliable. The DR650 suffers the same soft suspension but is so much better at duel sporting, so much better on road. And the aftermarket is better than all 3 of your picks. I got my '06 in 2013 for $2100, put another $4k into it. I have 2 set of wheels; knobbies for light Enduro (yes), and some Shinko 705s for duel sport adventures. I'm 55yrs old and I wreck it and pick it up all day long. Good to catch up on one of your video's my brother.
I rode a dr650 while back it was pushing 400 pounds with skid plate handguards and rack in the back , and those last 50-60 lbs make a huge difference, power is irrelevant, I'm trying to slow down not go faster. The little dr200 was such a disappointment and the DRZ was so meah , i kind of wrote off the Suzuki off the list entirely . I'm glad you are happy with your bike, if it works for you it all that matters
I believe he said no larger cc options
Although he has criteria, I also have a DR650 and it is a very well rounded machine especially after mods.
absolutely the correct answer.
What does the DR650 weigh? Low 300's Lbs should be a goal for the 300ish bikes. Yamaha Aluminum frame wizardy should easily do anything Kawasaki does with less weight. I'd want 2 cylinders, Water Cooled, EFI.. B+ adjustable suspension at least mid 30's HP. The CP2 is perfect.. maybe a different set of trans gears.. but wow.. Come on Yamaha.. you got this.. I'd pay KLX prices for this.
Great discussion. I bought the CRF300L because it became available locally so I jumped on it. I ended up putting a K-Tech rear shock on it. I bought their front spring, but haven't swapped it yet. I decided to put all the performance upgrades that you see on youtube. I just ordered the Yohi slip-on, the DNA high performance air filter, and the EJK tuner. Yeah, it's costing some money, but I'm looking forward to what it will be when I'm done. I also dumped the stock tires for a D606 rear and a Pirelly MT21 front.
If I dump enough money into it, I won't have to rely on my skills... LOL!!!
you gonna love it , i cant wait to go back to my honda in romania , here is a secret video not published yet - ua-cam.com/video/T8zI5u9QsYU/v-deo.html
Nothing wrong with those bikes. They are all tools for individual purposes. I could have purchased the crf250, wr250r and still bought the DRZ400E that is still available new here in Australia. I thought I may keep it for a year or two and then upgrade to a KTM690r. But 5 years later, 20,000km later, I still have it and am surprised at how good it is for a 20 year old design. Why? It weighs less than the crf250 144kg and only 4 kg heavier than the wr250R. The DRZ is known for being built proof with some doing over 100000km without a piston change. The suspension is much better than the Honda and on par with the Yamaha. Absolutely nothing wrong with the carb if jetted correctly for the elevation. 5 speed gearbox but if geared 15/44 can do 100km all day. On a light dual sport with knobbies, you would not want to travel much faster. The DRZ has such a large following for a reason.
I had a DRZ400, was a good bike, just never felt anything for it , so i sold it, so you can't say i Didn't tried , it was not bad like the dr200 , that was just horrible
I agree...DRZ is the way to go. I have two of them. As far as the bikes mentioned in the video the DRZ has the best suspension, the most power, and the best aftermarket support.
Got a used klr 600& Axl 185 s and they do just fine
Test rode a KLX 250 a while back but just on asphalt to see if the power would be sufficient on these small 250ccs. It did fine, but what bothered me was the damn thing looked like a moped but at the same time I was too short for it. The only colour available in Sweden is also that glossy black thing that also doesnt do the bike justice. Now all dual sports are pretty rare here but i managed to find a CRF250L after a test ride which im super happy with, everytime i open the garage door it makes me smile and power isnt too after a gearing change.
He has the Honda has a good look to it and the KLX cameo it's actually pretty good looking at the exhaust is really ugly but I don't buy bikes for looks for me comfort is important so I know what you're saying as far as that goes to be honest I couldn't find a KLX to actually ride to give my verdict on it and just write it up and down the street it doesn't really make that big of a deal I want to see how it is off-road but I don't have a friend that has one so I'm kind of like screwed
2022 drz400E, 134kg wet weight, hp at crank 48hp (41 whp) 2l oil capacity, top speed 140kph (160kph with 15/44 sprockets) fcr39mm pumper carb additional tuning not required, alloy bash plate, radiator guards, bark busters standard. fully adjustable high quality suspension, high quality components like cables, gear and brake levers, proper reusable air filter accessible without tools, proper tapered roller bearings in steering stem not ball bearings like a bicycle, grease nipples on suspension linkage and swingarm., takasago excel rims, separate full subframe, huge aftermarket support and a 22yr track record of being a reliable and capable lightweight adventure bike that has no equal.
even if i was in usa and could only get a drz400s i'd get that over the bikes you mentioned.
I had a DRZ and I never really enjoyed it that much
Great info. As for the klx, I actually prefer the style, especially in camo.
Likewise. The KLX looks really good imo.
That's good to know Yeah the KLX is not a bad looking bike and cameo it looks great
I like both the camo and the lime green , I can't make up my mind
Like kawi have one in garage the crf just looks more polished and it's Honda
Great video. Just stumbled across it. I too am looking at these 2 bikes. I will likely go with the CRF 300 Rally as I would need to drive it a couple hundred km's to get back and forth to my RV. The bigger gas tank would be beneficial for distances and the extra plastics for protection but off-road they both would be hinderances (extra weight and more plastics to break if dropped). Did you end up with a bike yet? Curious to know what you choose and how it worked out.
I haven't got one yet for USA, vbegas weather was terrible and in 2 or 3 months im leaving to ride my honda that i already own around Romania , Video for reference - ua-cam.com/video/bN6Oe15J4hA/v-deo.html , when i come back most likely ill start looking again and decide then
I love this video, because this is the what all motorcycling comes down to for me...a dual sport that's not too heavy. There aren't many choices. I went with the 300L, and for me it's the best compromise out there right now. I would like a WR350R, but that may never happen. The 450L is just too twitchy from what I'm hearing. Until the world changes, I think this is the best option right now. I agree with everything you said.
Awesome ...
"a dual sport that's not too heavy. " You will never really know until YOU ride the bike. I have a KLX650 and a EXC525 and to me they both feel light until I have to pick one up. I also have a XT1200 and a CRF1000 guess what bike feels heaver to me? the 1000 but it's not the 1200 is the real pig. I also have a WR250F and well that is the bike to have in the woods for me.
When asked what is my fav bike is, it's always the one I'm on at the time, just love them all.. My point you need to ride each bike to know what is right for you.. For me the BEST LIGHTWEIGHT DUAL SPORT is my 1994 KLX650 and next to that is the CRF1000.. Hope you find your happy bike with some luck you will be like me and have more then you need..
Excellent breakdown and articulation of analysis paralysis. I am right there too
Glad you enjoyed it
I stayed to the end, my advice is to go with Suzuki haha! But seriously, I vote for the KLX300 cuz of something you didn't even mention, in 2020 it came out with electric start.
Yes many KLX votes so far .. it's amazing
I’m more of a easy going trail rider, just look up and enjoy the scenery!
Yet I do like to have some get-up-and-go ability.
Dude! So funny that I'm looking at the same type of situation in my riding life right now. I want a light weight bike that is newer and reliable. Thanks for doing the research.
I'd go KLX, more dirt oriented than the Honda. Just pretend it didn't have clickers.
That part cracked me up
yeah the klx would be great , but why not the wr at that point !? :D
@@vegasromaniac I'm sure you've seen all is long time motovloggers out there that have had their WRs blow up on them. Ride Victoria, and Accidental broadcast. I'm not so sure about the WRs engines
I would buy a used CRF250l and upgrade the ECU...i have a 250l Rally and i got 18% more horsepower so around 27hp and a similar boost in torque...its a poor mans 300l now. For offroading i would think upgrading to barkbusters/swivel levers all around plus case guards you should be fine for reliability in the boonies.I think about that i would like ABS too being on the road as much as i am but its not available in the CRF in my country haha...like you say less options is sometimes better, just go ride instead and enjoy. Good video and thought process thanks.
I have a Drz 400 and you helped point me in the direction of the Kawasaki 300, just looking at the information. I’m normally a Honda fan for comfort but I definitely now have reasons for the Kawasaki. Thank you.
Why you consider to downgrade?
KLX300SM Supermotard and change out the tires for 80/20 or 70/30 street/dirt tires. Perfect for long distance around the world rides on mostly paved (but rough ones okay) roads.
I want to do the same with my 2023 KLX300SM and change out the tires for 80/20 tires.
117kg wet 390 beta RR. 750 ml every 30 hours. piece of cake, five minutes. hard enduro in mines sand and single tracks at weekend, long enduro offroad trips SRB ALB, MTN, BG RO everywhere with 6kg luggages. FUN, that is the main point. I ride bikes for FUN ;) See you in RO sometimes where you are around. Cheers ! Glad to see u back on web. take care !
The Klx250s is good off road. Add the Bill Blue big bore 351 kit with the pumper carb and an aftermarket exhaust. This is what I have. Loads of tourque and great throttle response. Very happy with this setup.
Awesome to know
I would personally go with the KLX 300. if a little more power is wanted you can always mod. as far as reliability is concerned Kawasaki is like 3rd or 4th in over all reliability. out of all of them. when it comes to looks is all subjective. give it a paint job.
anyway awesome channel bro!!
thanks for the input , i guess my pickle with the klx its the pipe, i really hate the pipe, otherwise the bike its not bad, but if i start upgrading it , might as well get the wr250r .. it's faster than any upgraded klx or crf
I have klx250s efi. Do the free mods, cam timing mod, diable clutch switch, kdx200 snorkel and gut the stock exhaust. Runs really well compared to the stock Crf250L. Suspension is superior and pulls strong. All the bikes on this list are really nice bikes
I went KLX300. Great bike.
thats a good bike
Money! Yes this is the big deciding factor for me. Used, absolutely there are great bikes out there that don't get ridden much. What do you want to ride? Well it does have to fit the Dualsport mode for me. I have one that fits this description and I have ridden it for many years. It's way too heavy when it comes to the offroad side. I think you are right on looking at the smaller motors. What you loose in raw power you will more than makeup in handling. I have always wished I had a lighter bike that was more offroad capable. I would have been ok with sacrificing some of how good it was on road. I would be leaning towards that KLX. Great description of the qualities of these bikes.
ok we got a klx vote .. thanks for the comment , so what's this mysterious bike you ride !? now i'm gonna stalk your youtube profile for it
@@vegasromaniac No need for stalking. I have mentioned it here before. I have a 1997 Honda XR650L.
I bought klx300 and I use it to go to work and to use on my 60 acers.
Klx 300. Love it.
Dreaming of a wr300r!!!
Oh yeah I sure am
Tough decision, but I'm going with the DR200.....😊
xt250 is my favorite it looks really cool to
Bro I just bought a used 1100miles 300 Rally non ABS for $5700 and I am in love with it,I will put some content soon, waiting on my rear shock since the rear shock sucks!! I actually enjoy it more than the YZ for some reason.
You did ? Oh I wanna watch that
quality of the bikes? is honda more reliable or the kaw?
KLX 300 was my choice after many hours of research. I was able to see both new 2024 versions side by side. KLR spokes were strong, Honda small spokes. KLR looks awesome for 2024 with the changes. Attention to detail goes to Kawasaki for sure!
I own the wr250r and its a great multi-tool. Gear it 13/50 and keep rpm up and its still slow but enough offroad.
Good to know Thanks for the comment
Funny, the WR sounds like a great bike but I seems overlooked for the KLX and CRF
@@Bryan-jd7os that’s because it’s discontinued, it’s lighter than those two and slightly more power so imo it’s the best
Great comparison! I'm curious to know where was the footage at 4:45 recorded?
I literally say at 4:46 it's Romania .. haha a road called strategica very popular in Europe
I'd pick the KLX because I have a big adventure bike for the road. I thought about selling my R1250GS and getting an 890 Adv but I think I'll keep the big Rhino and buy a light weight dual sport and have two bikes.
It's a good bike
For me, weight is a more important "comfort" thing than the seat. Off road, I find that I feel more beat up and uncomfortable the heavier the bike. Obviously suspension is a huge factor, and I agree that the Honda has a more plush ride, but it's not like the KLX suspension is crazy stiff or anything. I also prefer the look of the KLX, but I realize I'm in the minority.
You're the Cadillac is not a bad looking bike it's just at the exhaust looks really ugly and coming out too far It's exactly the opposite of how the Honda and WR looks
Current blue plated DRZ400E & bmw pavement Princess, looking to upgrade to more modern technology & a 6th gear for a more relaxing ride. Problem is, I’ve looked at all the numbers, have a running spreadsheet of all the contenders. Short list included Honda 300 Rally, used WR250R, KTM EXC’s, Husky’s and even the Beta 350 RRS. Bottom line, hate to admit it, but it’s true, DRZ wins. It’s the Jack of all trades, master of none. Best compromise of all the bikes.
Some great little beginner bikes to choose from for sure. For me it would have to be a used 350exc as im already a more experienced off road leaning rider who has already been exposed to real light weight offf road bikes.
It would be AWESOME if someone did a vid comparing similar at 125kg wet weight, give or take
True but I don't have them all
I was shopping used all were $3500 at a shop in colorado
2019 kawasaki klx250 1k miles
2017 honda crf 250 3k miles
2017 honda crf 250 rally 10k miles
2013 yamaha wr250r 5k miles
I ended up getting the wr250 and did a short link, shorter seat bringing it 2 inches shorter. Hope this lasts me for years.
I’ve owned the CRF250L, KLX250, WR250R, CRF300L.
WR250R is still the best. I had a 300L for 7 months before switching back to the tried and true WR. It’s just better in every way still except the instrument cluster lol.
Trust me, I’ve been on this road for years. The WR is still king. But the 300 offerings are getting closer. Imo, the next Yamaha will be the unicorn.
For now, a WR250R with 14/49 gearing is the perfect do everything machine.
i end up with riding WR250X because i ride more road than dirt in my area. I did pick up a 21 inch WR front wheel with knobby and X brake rotor (so no brake mod require). Do you think i can get away with 17 rear wheel with dirt thread tire? I like to have ability to swap front tire between dirt and street riding
the WR250R/X is just a better quality built bike, period.
back in 2013 I had a 2009 fuel injected KLX250 (only available in south america and thailand I think), with a few mods it dynoed 30hp, for me, it was the perfect dual sport, great suspension for a do it all bike, cheap to maintain, reliable, it ticked all the boxes, I woul deffinetely buy another one, I ride a 690 now and it's just too heavy, although it is a weapon!
How many miles on the 690, supposedly they have issues with the cams that KTM neve addressed
40.000km, it's a 2009, it already has newer rocket arms installed and I alwayr keep a eye on the valve clearances to avoid an expensive bad surprise.
@@RaphaelPais yeah that's it, the rocker arms .. my buddy had one in Romania , he was stressed about the rocker arms , sold it for a tiger
I'm thinking that all of them would be fun bikes
I bought my used 2014 KLX250 4yrs ago with only 700 miles on it. Sure it is carbureted and yet she runs great
Yep good bike
These dual sport Hondas and Yamahas are very popular where I live in south east Asia and are way cheaper than their race bred versions
and are more comfortable on the road
very true
Keep your eye out for a KTM 250EXC or a Husky FE250. These are great dual sports but did not last long in the US because most people went for the 350. You might find one for about $7000. The FE has a linkage and the EXC is a PDS frame. I think 2019 or 2020 was the last year these bikes were sold in the US.
7knis 3 more then I wanna spend
@@vegasromaniac go for used older one. still far better than the rest
Can't beat reliability and service intervals of the Japanese bikes and he said already he is driving slower now
wr250x no words needed
Bought my 2019 CRF 250 Rally, in the Philippines, it's been perfect. Suspension, yeah can be squishy, but can mod. Already did JD jetting, added full Yoshimura. Does and goes everywhere I need to go.
Couldn't figure out why Honda came out with the 286 (300) Cc?
Hindsight if I buy another, thinking about the KLX
And another vote on the KLX it's crazy I already thought it's going to go the other way around but it seems that a Honda is not as popular as I thought
I prefer the look of the KLX over the Honda.
The only thing that prevented me from buying a KLX 300 is my height , i'm 5'9 " tall and I wasn't able to sit flat foot on the bike.
One needs to like the look of their bike... I feel... a d you are in ,over with the Honda...I personally like the looks of Kawasaki much better..solid stout... buy looks are subjective..overall good video, and I will be binging more of your videos as I choose my lightweight dual sport to take off on my solo female RTW tour.. much love.. MotoCoco..
I purchased a used 2014 KLX 250 in mint condition. I love it for where I ride. I have also found the Kawasaki brand seems to fit me better ergonomically than Honda .
That's awesome man
This man is spitting FACTS 🤣🤣
ive owned both the klx250 and crf250 so I could ride with a friend. CRF seat was WAY more comfortable. the klx felt lighter and definitely didn't bottom out as much. klx also felt faster.
This is the best advice so far because I haven't found anybody that actually own them both and compare them
Some bikes to have a think about.
Xr 650r great bike and would work well for you and the stuff you do on your Channel.
Xr 650l has the E-start but you can get a kit for the R model, lot’s of mod’s for the bike’s.
Xt600 is a bike that people over look and is a great bike.
T700 great all around bike.
The XR650 is out of the question I rode one and there was a very unpleasant surprise It's a really heavy beast It's like eating mistake by cutting it with a chainsaw it just doesn't really apply to my writing
Honda 300L Watched your channel for many year and never seen you more happy then when you were riding the YZ250FX, the CRF has heaps of aftermarket and in the long run will be a lot better then the KLX.
Okay another vote for the CRF still it's like half the votes of the KLX got so far maybe even less
I really like the Kawasaki klx as the engine and frame is over engineered and they make a big bore kit upto 351cc though I run a 331cc kit in mine which gives roughly wr250 peak hp with more bottom end torque! I bought mine new in 2005 and only recently undertaken its first ever top end rebuild at 56,000 miles! I really think Kawasaki need to turn this into a 350cc bike by rebalancing the crank to suit 350 piston and resign the cylinder head to flow more air! That being said I think from the information I've read and looking at the specs I think the crf300 would handle the open road better and be a little bit smoother I think being based of the cbr engine would back this statement!
you are completely right on 250l riding wheelies its not so easy i know cause i have one you have to be in first and dump the clutch to get it to wheelie. where as my 450r is concerned you just twist the throttle 1st through 3 gear
👍 speaking like a man who knows
you are correct sir trust me if your looking for a dual sport i would shy away from the 250l im trying to sell mine now its just to weak power wise and the suspension is a joke @@vegasromaniac
great video
Glad you enjoyed it
@@vegasromaniac yes
I ride with a guy who has a KLX230 and it treats him well. The CRF soft suspension was a concern of mine, but you make a good point, just go a little slower on the rough stuff and enjoy a smoother ride. I'd like a dual sport that can sometimes be a very light adventure bike (load up a little camping gear) so that makes an adjustable suspension sound appealing but to be honest my road bike has adjustable rear suspension and I rarely adjust it. Another big CRF concern is the "flameout" issue. Maybe its less of an issue than I would think since you don't talk about it a lot. Some people have claimed to have needed a new ECU to deal with the issue. I don't want that kind of extra cost and that pushes me more towards KLX, green or otherwise.
How would the XT250 have compared?
there is no flameout on the crf250L, the bike it's a torque monster ... check out this video ua-cam.com/video/tu9FvrEWtJ8/v-deo.html first minute it's relevant to non existing flameout
The flameout issue is NOT on the CRF300L. It is with the CRF450L, which is why I sold mine...I thought the problem might go away after I broke the bike in but it didn't. Some people can live with it but I personally found it a little frustrating.
Thank you both for that correction. I’ll check out the other video.
How would the XT250 have compared?
The only flameout is going to be on the 450
Hi from Romania! Just sold my WR250R after owning it for almost 3 years, loved that bike so much and I sometimes tell myself i should've not sold it. But I did it because lately I was riding around 70% street and 30% offroad.. and while that 30% offroad riding is very important, I said to myself I can't keep the WR in my garage while I'm riding twice as much onroad than off.. My dream bike now is the Yamaha Tenere 700 ( World Raid edition would be even more lovely ), but my budget now is around 5 grand.. the T7 is around 8 so far.. so i've got to wait a bit more untill I can get my hands on one. Started thinking what about another dualsport while waiting for the T7, and CRF300L looked promising but nah.. it's no improvement from the WR250R, just newer and better looking.. it's not worth it.. And now this is me with 5 grand in my pocket at 19 years old, searching for another motorcycle to make me happy but having no options in mind...
Just as a mini question, will you ever come riding in Bihor/Cluj ?
I'll be there in the summer for sure I hope you get a bike by then we could go riding Hit me up I'll send you my email vegasromaniac@gmail.com once I get there I usually get a phone number so I could text you or you can find me on WhatsApp
Ha Ha. I owned a WR250R and replaced it with a XT660Z (Pre T7) Then I bought a T7. I love the T7 but man I miss the WR when turning around on the trail, and for more technical stuff etc. Also don't get the T7 stuck on your own unless you're a big guy. Love my T7 but seriously considering a second bike for more technical riding.
The camo KLX. I don't like the green either, that's why I bought a white KDX. Ride safe my 2 wheel friends.
Many many many people voted for KLX ..
Late to the party, and I do love the Hondas, but suspension also does matter, even if you’re not doing anything technical, IMO. I have a friend that decided to go for the 250 Rally. He is not a heavy guy at all, but the ass was dragging on that bike in a ridiculous way. He had to have used up 50-60% of the sag. When I got on it, it was a total joke.
Apparently you can’t even swap out the spring in the Honda. But with appropriate suspension work (which means throwing away the entire rear shock, and possibly the forks) I think the Honda is a no-brainer. I actually kind of want a 300 Rally (even though I have a DRZ with spring upgrades front and rear). I’ll possibly never understand why Honda decided to go with such a comically weak and non-serviceable suspension on that series of bikes when everything else on them is so good.
Also consider parts availability where you will be riding.
all things being equal, close dealer
I forgot to mention. If you want a KLX with Honda suspension, you can always set the KLX's suspension to a super soft gooshy pig and forget about it after that. Instant Honda suspension :) :).
Forgot to say. Great discussion. I went through the same scenario. Ended up with the KLX mainly because it was the first thing that came up at a dealer around here. I'm glad I ended up with the KLX though.
Awesome, yest the KLX votes are overwhelming !
I've ALWAYS had extraordinary "luck" with Hondas. I'd likely go Honda.
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I have owned a Wr250r, CRF450l and have a KLX230 now. My buddies have a 250L and a Klx250 06 model. The WR250r was very top heavy feeling and the seat was way to high. The forks are good. The shock is awful. It would kick and buck the back end up off any hard hits. The 450l felt way lighter even though it wasn't. The KLX230 feels the lightest of all these bikes and actual has decent suspension. Its much better than the 250L suspension. Klx230 suspension is soft but well dampened.
Sounds like you're trying to say that I should get a KLX interesting I really appreciate your advice
Out of the box it will be almost impossible to find "Perfect" I am in the same boat. I think most of my riding will be dirt/fire roads. The Honda is like the Tacoma, lots of options to change/modify/adjust. I think I will end up with a Honda.
I ride a 73 yamaha 360 enduro and 06 Buell Ulysses.
Decisions, decisions! KLX or CRF, yes!
Klx for the suspension. I don't change the clickers one I get them set. And you could always get new plastics or graphics to make the green bike look better. I'd still rather ride my Drz400s though lol
DRZ 400S it's a supermoto and I'm sure it's a good bike but I don't ride street I prefer to stay as little as possible on the pavement so that bike makes no sense for me but I do cedar point
@@vegasromaniac the sm is the super moto. Mine is dual sport with 21/18
Hey - I have the DRZ400S and I was thinking about going to the KLX300. I feel like the DRZ400S is really top heavy. Setting power aside, can you provide any info on how the KLX300 FEELS in the dirt compared to the DRZ4S?
@@KenRupin I have a Drz400 and RMZ250. I haven't ridden the klx300. Was saying that I would pick the klx over crf.
For beginners and shorter riders the answer always Miata, wait on two wheels with 32" seat heights the answer is XT225 or second choice the XT250! Or if you want something different: TW2OO.
Well Vegas, Do you want low end or mid range power delivery... there's a air cooled Yamaha as well at about 290 lbs.
I don't care about power, i need 300 miles of comfort a day but easy to ride when things get gnarly
@@vegasromaniac People say the little yamaha does single track very well
I just got a job and let me tell ya, there’ll be a wr250r in the garage within a year if I can help it.
I bought a 2023 KLX300
Honda, great reliability, good looking good resale plenty of parts but suspension will need slightly modifications
Agreed!
Lol I'm in the same spot tuff decisions.
you the best bro i will subcibed you.which country are you from bro?
The KLX suspension is not just marginally better than the Honda. Its way, way better. The thing about messing with the clickers is a non-issue because its that good. Set it and forget it. Just ride.
I went with the KLX300R because the suspension is valved more for off road. Then put the Tusk dual sport lighting kit on.
the klx300r has a tighter maintenance interval as far as i know, and the suspension just doesnt like small stuff , you can fel every pebble specially at low speeds , but its a good bike in between the dirtbikes and the dualsports , a happy compromise i guess
@@vegasromaniac After 15 hours it’s 45 hour oil changes. Check valves at 60. I don’t know about the DS version.
It's the same motor as the R with a slightly different fuel map, so something like 10,000 miles for valve checks on the DS version and people are reporting no adjustment needed. Change the oil and tires every few months and replace the chain and sprockets once a year if you're constantly flogging it. It's cheaper than a stripper.
I have a 2008 WR250R and a 2013 KTM 500EXC. Note, the WR250R is much different than a WR250F. Both my Yamaha and KTM have been super reliable, but the KTM is a little less comfortable on road, but totally out performs the Yamaha in every aspect off road. How much will you pay me for the Yamaha?
we have one in town here with 6k miles for 4700, so im looking at it but im afraid its not comfortable as the honda is and i don't want another dirt bike
@@vegasromaniac I don't know what you mean another dirt bike? What was this whole video about? It was about getting a dual sport. The wr250r is a dual sport and it's not so problematic as you made it all sound in your video. It's probably a superior bike all around and has no deficiencies that can't be addressed compared to the other two bikes. You're starting to sound very confused🤔🤣
hello and namsate from Nepal bro you are true what you have told about the dual sport bike and it true.i have got crf250l. thts best one for my height and weight bro.stock is best as you told.coz honda did his best engeeringin...wel come to nepal bro .where Mt.everest is below my motherland country you should visit .love from golden city adventures and tours motobikers.
I actually like the KLX in green
Awesome
based upon your parameters, or anyone who is looking with a similar set of requirements in mind, if you don't have a preconceived bias, then i suggest you check out the lifan kpx 250 dual sport bike that can be bought here in the u.s. and is fifty state legal...it has efi and is air cooled, with 20hp at 7500rpm and 20.5nm of torque at 5000rpm. keep in mind its a 250cc compared to the japanese 300cc bikes...so while slightly a step down from the japanese bikes, its by far the best chinabike and lifan has a decent track record and parts availability, having been selling bikes in the states since the 80s or something(i am not affiliated with lifan in any way, just.think they offer a solid and cheap alternative for beginners and other budget conscious folk)
@@andersd8956 obviously you have a preconceived bias, no worries , my post was for those that do not...while many chinabikes are chintzy for sure, there are some that are made at a higher standard, like lifan's bikes, loncin(voge), zongshen(csc motos) and cfmoto are the other companies that seem to be quality made as well...anyway, if you happen to not be open to them for whatever reason, no worries , however because they are much more affordable than the alternatives, it is good info to know for many of us looking to buy a new bike and not a used one....
2012-2015 WR450F
Not street legal in the USA but is in Australia. Has the bulletproof 5 valve engine, fuel injected, aluminum frame. Tons of power…more oil changes than the WR250R but almost 3x the power.
Out of the ones you listed…It’s hard to beat the CRF300L
You know I had a street legal 2008 WR250F for almost 3 years and it was quite horrible on the road Yes it was fast but the 1.7 gallon tank was just terrible and then when I put a bigger tank on it it just ruined it off-road also I put a rear rack on it and then I couldn't mount the bike properly so it was a great dirt bike that I horribly mutilated to be able to go on the road with it and it just became this nonsense
Not to mention it was not comfortable at all
@@vegasromaniac This is a gooox point. If you want something for long distance riding than the WR250R or CRF300L is the way to go
wr450f is nowhere near bulletproof, they're the opposite hence why you don't see them doing any long distance work in aus.
Honda! I love my CRF125FB 😂 But I have my eyes on a new WR250F til next summer, but I'm not sure anymore if I want to spend that kind of money after all the hurt from financial-markets this bloody year.
the wr its too much of a dirtbike, i had a good dirtbike ... i dont want a dirtbike :D
I would go with for your type of riding the Honda 300l over the klx300 and the klx300 over the 250l also the 250l over the klx250. As you said the honda fits you better.
Yeah I ended up with a crf250l .. I like it
Let's don't forget honda has great aftermarket options, and you can address most of the problems with the mods
Yes, but what I want to avoid is an expensive Honda that is still not as good as the Yamaha
@@vegasromaniac True, but you can get crf250 for cheap, spend 2 grand on aftermarket mods and still be 2 grand chipper than yamaha