My favorite incident with the people overseeing a game is in the NHL when a bunch of fans dressed up like refs and cheered every time any of the refs or linesmen blew a whistle or made a call. Much more lighthearted.
This doesn't technically count but my favorite is when a group of people dress up as WWE referees and front row seats on the television side and when an obvious 2 count kick-out happens, they yell "TWOOOOOOO".
MLB had something like this too! A few years ago a couple of guys dressed up as Umpires and sat behind home plate calling all the same calls the real umps were.
I'll say this in defense of Joe West, I've seen him joke around with players on TV a couple times so at least he seen to have some self-awareness and a sense of humor about everything, while Angel Hernadez gets butt hurt at the slightest criticism.
I feel the same way. I actually like Joe because of his funny moments and on field shenanigans. Of course Joe has his really bad calls and what not but he's definitely better than Angle Hernandez.
turns out that when the most important feature of your game is an arbitrary, invisible and imaginary box that no one can even really properly define even after over 100 years things get difficult
Arbitrary? Do you even know what that word means? The *strike zone* is not “arbitrary”. It’s the plate (little white thing shaped like a house, colloquially known as “home plate”) horizontally and letters to knees vertically. There I just defined it for you… after “100 long years” 🤡🤡🤡
@@richardtherichard26 is it top of the letters, bottom of them or middle of them, what about if that player has a posture that ends up lowering the position of the letters? Does the strike box adjust to that position or is it kept as if his back were straight? What about the knees, does the strike box start at the top, bottom, or middle of the knees? Or the plate, does the outerbline of the strike box start at the edge of the plate or is the inner line of the strike box at the edge of the plate? The strike box might be defined, but that doesnt mean it accounts for every scenario that creates a grey area.
That first story about umpires and players getting shot is fucking insane. I’m not the biggest fan of umps but that’s just sad to shoot someone over a game
I saw Joe Mikulik once get ejected and then throw a toilet seat onto the field, and the stadium PA then played a flushing sound effect. I think most fans thought it wasn't real and just some promotional stunt.
The thing that bothers me is Joe West is still umping, and he was an ump when Hawk played. I would like to see "Term limits" on umps. As people age, reaction time and vision change. At 70 years old, it has to be damn hard to track a hard slider.
Man, as a Tigers fan I still feel pain when I see that Jim Joyce call. Worst part is, that pitcher had an otherwise undistinguished career. That perfect game would have been the highlight of his life.
Actually when you think about it, it's probably a more noteworthy game because of the blown call. How many other perfect games do you vividly remember details of?
05:35 OMG. I haven't finished the video yet, but that has to be the craziest story I've never heard. Pure chaos. The Cubs trying to crowd the box to avoid a strike and the other team (Cardinals?) trying to get those free strikes. Pure pandemonium. I'm so thankful there's actual video footage of it. 🙏
Instant replay has mostly cured the league of calls like Jim Joyce’s almost perfect incident. MLB needs to institute pitch challenges. Not every one, like 2-3 at most and you can keep the challenge if you get it right, but you need to challenge within 15 seconds of the pitch being thrown. This will help with those terrible strike 3 calls that decide games.
Yeah what you want is the elimination of what we call in Australian cricket "the howler"; a decision that is just wrong on replay. You give managers 3 unsuccessful calls per nine innings, and you'd probably greatly reduce "the howlers". What you don't want is managers arguing ticky tack calls with reviews every time there's a pitch they don't like because that'll slow the game to an absolute crawl.
Yeah... no... You either have robots calling the game or you have humans. Whatever this bullshit is with umpires making calls, then some can be changed and others not is just plain stupid. Either we have humans make the calls and screw some up, or we have robots that do the same but with better accuracy. I haven't watched more than 10 games in a whole season since before MLB implemented the replay system. It's just so boring and not fun to watch with the system they have right now...
What really upsets players, and rightfully so, is an umpire calling a pitch a ball in the early innings, then, in the 9th. inning, with the game on the line, they call the same pitch a strike.
Exactly, if someone's strike zone is consistent, even if it's not quite perfect, you can live with that, you just adjust. But when it's all over the place, that's frustrating.
@@rick_fortune while doing high school games I've noticed the strike zone is especially hard to be consistent with if the catcher is changing his framing technique every pitch. If they have a natural frame job as an umpire it's easy to figure out where the ball actually came in, but if the frame job is random, then it becomes a lot harder to get calls right because 80+ mph pitches are almost impossible to see the ball at the exact point it crosses the plate, so umpires rely on the glove, and if they can't rely on the glove, then that becomes a problem
I love that arguing with officials is accepted and welcomed by the MLB. NBA refs will make call a tech and walk away like they think they're hot shit, it always bugged me.
Gotta give it to refs for sticking with the new rules in NBA this season, though. No more pump fake/lean in bullshit calls and it seems like they're sticking to it. I know most NBA "fans" haven't noticed by now, but they will come playoff season.
It's accepted in baseball because it's the only thing that keeps it entertaining. The flip side is, you have parents coaching LL that think they can do it at that level. Massachusetts has a youth hockey referee shortage because of a-hole parents and coaches.
@@saulgoodman8501 They can at least talk to umpires though, NBA refs hand out techs for players aggressively tossing them the ball and giving the stink eye, it's honestly embarrassing how thin skinned they are, and yet how they act like they're totally untouchable
Really strange seeing this tbh. I always felt MLB umps were far better than in other sports and many, many people agreed. I think TV broadcasts showing pitch tracking with the box in recent years has completely reversed that view. Imagine if NFL broadcasts started highlighting every single missed holding call in real time on the screen. People would lose their minds
That'd be a hell of a thing. To be honest, I'm still hazy on when blocking turns to holding. (I used to be a referee, but for flag football, so it's easier to say when it's out of line ... )
At the risk of being "That Guy," the Don Denkinger call that starts at 12:28 actually needs a clarification. The player who benefitted from the call ended up being out on a force-play at third later that inning. Although the Royals won, he never actually scored.
@@NoName-fo7mz Cards fans sure do. They've been bitching about that my entire life. Did it impact the game, yes. Did it cause the Cardinals to lose that game (and the Series the next game), no. Watch the 9th inning of that game. The Cards collapse after that call (and to be fair to Denkinger, the way Todd Worrell tagged the bag was awkward as hell).
Great piece as always. This channel has become one of my favorites because if it’s approach on talking about hot-bed issues, or even ones we haven’t heard of. Awesome job BBDE
I’ll always remember the first time I made fun of an umpire. The poor guy didn’t know what a ball or a strike was. So at the end of the game I showed him my sports glasses and said “Do you need these?” I was 11.
One time when I was playing in little league like 9 years ago a pitch was at my feet, literally 2 inches away. I had to dodge to avoid it on 3-2 and it was strike 3
As a kid, I thought the melt downs were totally cool. Today, I find them completely inappropriate and embarrassing. It's true that the system promotes umpire for not doing a good job. But that shouldn't be an excuse for umpires to be treated poorly and not protected by MLB either.
True but I can understand the anger when everyone know how obvious a call is. Doesn’t get called. Or should have. Especially now when you can reply it. That both Refs and umps.
They need to team up with the tennis hawk eye team who have had excellent tech for many years now capable of accurately calling balls hit much faster than a mlb pitcher throws.
@@CrescentRollCarl on a linear line thats half the width of a hand. The auto strike zone needs to change for every single batter and deal with different flight paths
@@adamwilliams2253 it's true that it's a harder problem to solve. The strike zone is 3d. But we're more than a decade, maybe two decades, into this tech. It won't be long until these issues are solved and we have something decent in place.
@@CrescentRollCarl THe problem isn't with the 3D portion. They put 10 sensors in the ground around the plate, and there is basically a matrix of lasers that can tell if any portion of the ball went over the plate. The problem is, stupidly, with high and low. They base it on the player's height, not his stance. So, a 6'4" who crouches a bit gets strikes called at his nose and balls at his thighs. It seems to me that a combo of robo and and ump watching on TV would solve this. Robo tells you over the plate, and the little box on TV tells you high and low. Then the ump in the booth hits a red or green button that tells the field up what to call.
Theoretically, yes. However, any catcher or ump will tell you they have a feel for the strike zone. You can almost tell out of the pitcher's hand where it will end up. That is also part of the problem. As these younger pitchers use analytics to increase spin rates, pitched balls are breaking sharper, later. The ump is a good 5-6 feet back from the plate. If a curveball starts at a players head, and is caught 3-4 feet behind the plate low and outside, it almost certainly had to break over the plate. However, when that pitch is called a strike, everyone flips out.
@@MichaelMiller-tm2os I agree completely, I think it also has to do with pitcher consistency in hitting the same spot. If a pitcher establishes the inner half of the plate early. He's gonna get some benefit of the doubt from the ump. It's not like 30-40 years ago. When balls a foot out if the zone were called strikes. It's gotten alot tighter
Yeah. I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt for bad calls for strikes & ball. They are human. Like us. Not when it’s clearly Safe or out. Or whatever else. Especially when you can now look back at the play.
"Kill the Umpire" (1950) is a funny movie, with William Bendix as a loudmouth fan who's constantly baiting umps until they dare him to become one. Fred Flintstone also had his troubles when he tried umpiring a Little League game.
I swear at some point, Joe West just stopped trying to be good once he realized he will never get fired. Just look at his calls in 2021 NL Wild Card game. That was almost perfect.
I think everyone's eyes go bad at some point. They should have a special eye test that involves tracking high speed pitches, if they can't pass it they're done.
I wonder how many people have commented that on-field umps don’t make the decisions on instant replay challenges. That home run call in the playoffs was terrible but Angel didn’t come back from replay and still call it a home run. That was New York.
I loved a cartoon about the late Billy Martin where he charged home plate, looked the ump in the face, and complimented the ump on his call. In the last panel the ump looked at Martin as he walked back to the dugout and commented that Billy had to be nuts
Every league’s fans think they got the worst officials. All umps/refs are now under a microscope with replay and pitch tracking. It’s such a different job now than it was back in the day, it’s crazy how many stories there were from the older eras of the game. Great video.
Ballsports are just sociopathic. Bunch of grown human males running back and forth across a field to kill wach other over a ball. It's like watching caged animals.
While I do agree on alot of pitchers and batters taking too much time, the issue comes from the umpire choosing to enforce a rule that other umpires are not, as well as you saying it needing to be enforced consistently, which I dont think can be done until an actual time limit is established for each position. Otherwise it is up to the umpires discretion, like was see here, and there is no way that can be consistent with each umpire having a different tolerance for that bull shit. I simply dont agree with an umpire taking the initiative to enforce a rule for a quicker pace for these positions in a manner that can drastically affect the at bat and game, when there is no such precedent for that type of punishment. If umpires gain the power to make up and enforce rules on the spot with their own punishments, the game will fall apart. Still vividly remember Ron Kulpa's famous "I can do whatever I want" shouting match.
@@RepressedMemories16 there already is a set time limit. It's 20 seconds, that's what the pitch clock is for. But no one is ever penalized for some reason
I'm an Australian MLB fan, I support the A's 😢, and I watch as much baseball as I can get my hands on. We have AFL (Aussie rules) over here and it's our national game. I see umpiring errors all the time in AFL. BUT, nothing infuriates me more in sport, than watching the blatant mistakes made by MLB umpires. How Hernandez and West still get games is beyond me, let alone Post Season games. In AFL, if an umpire has a bad game, he gets dropped to a lower league the next week. The sooner MLB introduce home plate technology the better.
Shooting a player trying to steal second sounds like ancient Egyptian baseball, where the players threw knives at opposing team players as part of the game.
I was at the June 2006 game where Joe Mikulik went crazy. The baserunner in the call he argued was Koby Clemens, so of Roger Clemens, who had just pitched a rehab start in Lexington a few weeks earlier on June 6th.
"Army-Crawled to a rosin bag,as if it was a grenade,and threw it towards an umpire"-I couldn't stop laughing at such gesture,I had to re-watch that scene multiple times. No one would have believed unless it was filmed.
Classic moment by a Braves manager. We love Wallman in Atlanta. He has balls big enough to drag the ground. He may be a bit crazed but his blowups are iconic
Never really was into baseball. But I must say after randomly coming across your videos I’ve been liking learning about the history of the game!! Keep it up man
Not enough people have talked about this. I’m all for an automated strike zone if they can be better than humans. As a varsity player I always thought the umps were awful, think of how bad high school umps are if the best in the world get it wrong 12% of the time.
My favorite thing in baseball is when a manager or player gets ejected and then they do something insanely funny to "make it official" like throw equipment or pop the hat off an ump.
I haven't even watched this vid yet but I gotta say as someone that really gives no fuck about baseball... These intros are ALWAYS top tier. So is the content after. I've actually paid attention to this year's playoffs because of this channel. I haven't gave a fuck since Pedro Martinez was a great pitcher (first name that came to mind, don't actually care about any team at all).
Great piece of information and appreciate the historical value professional umpires have on the game. One input I would convey that was underplayed during the segment on minor leaguers plight to MLB is why it’s a coveted “dream job”. I think it would be incredible to make a healthy six figure salary working 9 months out of the year with vacation time eating sunflower seeds having the best seat in the house going to every MLB venue while traveling first class to all of them and of course, being on national TV. Not a bad occupation for working just 3 hours a night and only 150 days. It’s a tough job but they are well trained and are under more scrutiny than ever plus stats show impressive improvement in call accuracy the past decade. And let’s be honest, how many times do you see players or coaches “go off” on umps each night? Not as often as we think though no stats to prove my opinion.
Honestly my biggest complaint with umpiring in the MLB isn't their inconsistency, I'm not expecting perfection from them it's a tough gig. My problem is the refusal to ask for help on calls (like checked-swings) and how difficult it is to overturn or review the majority of calls. It's getting "easier" to challenge calls but it still really isn't. What is it, the teams get one challenge? In a game as long as baseball? If they just dropped the egos everyone would hopefully be more inclined to show patience with them. Yes experience is important I guess but I really think sports leagues should treat umpires/refs how teams treat players, their jobs are always on the line to someone performing better.
For me, inconsistency is the problem. As the umpire you set the tone. If you screw up by calling a really wide strike zone for the first three batters then guess what? The strike zone is now wide for the rest of the game, because you have to call it for the other team’s pitcher as well.
God I love this channel. I used love baseball and played in high school but fell out with it because let’s say I “had better things to do”. I found this channel and Jomboy and I’m getting back into it. My white Sox I thought were going to do worse and better this past year at the same time lol. Thank you for brightening up my day just a little bit my friend. Idk what that says about me that brightening up my day consists of watching umpires get beaten. But I digress. You’re the man and keep doing your thing. This is also best English I’ve typed in 4 months at least lol and I’m an American.
Should Boston university make a separate rank list for the empires with the most incorrect, but overall impactful umps? A few bad but impactful calls at the world series is probably far worse than a lot of bad calls in a reg season game?
Worst umpire incident ever was Kent Hrbek picking Rob Gant up by the leg to lift him off the bag and apply a tag in the 1991 World Series,-literally right in front of the umpire-who then called Gant out. Im still mad about that, such utter incompetence.
Baseball umpires are only regarded as the worst in sport due to the difficulty in making correct calls. They are actually trying to do the best they can, but the higher the level of play, the worst the calls will be due to the tiny margins which separate calls becoming smaller and smaller the better the players are.
The problem with robo-umps calling balls and strikes (as well as the little box on the screen) is that the strike zone does not have set dimensions. The plate is a set width, but the top and bottom of the zone changes with every hitter depending on how long their legs are and how much they're crouching, standing upright, etc. It takes a very rapid judgment to determine what is and is not a strike when a ball is coming in just below knee-high at 90+MPH with 12+ inches of movement and the batter is twitching all over the place. A robo-ump will NEVER be able to make that determination consistently or accurately.
I really really think it is amazing for the game of baseball to have them, and yes they make the wrong calls, and as a player or fan or anything it's beyond frustrating. The calls should be right 100% of the time right? Or do they add experience to the game? If the pitcher throws a fire slider, or curve, and to any human eye appears to be a strike, does that add to the experience and give credit to the pitcher? Missed outs on plates is kinda iffy, but it give them an opportunity to throw games for betting as well, however, if they're not doing that, I think the umpire gives the game way more positive and I may stand with just how good pitches are at times.
Yeah I agree. YI’ll give them the benefit of the doubt for bad calls for strikes & ball. They are human. Like us. Not when it’s clearly Safe or out. Or whatever else. Especially when you can now look back at the play. This is for any sport.
@12:30. 1985 World Series example. Although the lead off runner would have been called out at 1st with replay. “…He and another runner would go on to score,” is incorrect. He (Jorge Orta) was out at 3rd. He was not one of the 2 that scored runs that inning.
I attended an Umpire School. Thanks for pointing out the difference between performance and appointments. Its one of the things that could honestly fix the robo-umpire issue if MLBUA would pull their fingers out and impose standards.
I want to go, but it seems like most of the people who go end up coming back pissed they didn't make it, and enforce every damn rule with 10 year olds. And yes you are very correct about the standards, I'm sure if they had 100% of umpires the MiLB in their 20's, and 100% of MLB umpires in their 30's and 40's with a mandatory say 50 year old retirement age the umpires could get a higher starting salary which would make more people interested and more people would get offered positions in the minors
They need a league where that's allowed, and all the players are ex mlb players, and the umps are all ex pro umps. That would get way more views than the actual mlb
having robo umps would be good for calls but it would make the art of framing pitches by catchers completely irrelevant, but it is the most important job for catchers right now. Watching a catcher catch a ball would start looking super sloppy because there is no reason to frame any more, ruining the skill set of a lot of catchers.
Always a good day when I see a new Baseball Doesn't Exist. I'm a Giants fan, so you bet I'm pissed about how umpire crews were assigned this year. In the NLDS both my guys and the Dodgers suffered from bad calls and in the end, the story was about the umpire, not the players. Yeah, we probably still lose on the next pitch, but to lose on a bad call. . . Robot umpires are fine, once the technology shakes out, but for now, both the major and minor leagues need to be transparent about umpire ratings and make it easier to weed out the bad ones. The postseason should be reserved for the best-rated umps, not guys in their sixties. We also need to end the idea that it's OK to abuse the umpires. You want to make your argument, go ahead, but crap like kicking dirt or stealing bases needs to be slapped down hard.
I always wanted to see umpire stats during every pregame. If their strike zone percentage and blown call tally is broadcasted every game they might make more of an effort to get better.
Happy for the robot. I've never seen a ball at catcher's face mask called a strike more than this year. It's shoulders to knees - the strike zone. Where the hell did that come from?
I love the arguments. I'm all for electronic support as far as for the strike zone but you can't get rid of umps completely, we wouldn't get great moments such as Lou Pinella throwing bases and kicking dirt like a pissed off toddler.. just give em a hand with the strike zone is all I'm asking for haha
In order for coaches to be mad the umpires have to screw it up... If there's robots helping the umpires you won't have a single coach mad at an umpire, and not a single incident that's fun to watch. That's just how it will be. I'm indifferent between having robots or humans as I personally umpire and I understand people wanting all the calls to be right, but it will in fact take part of the game away. It's like the intentional walk rule, now there's no fun moments with that anymore, but now the games are quicker
@@rileyesmay I'm talking about strike zone dude. Even with replay the umps or officials in football still miss calls. I never said to get rid of umps entirely right? I'm just asking for assistance in strike zone placement and verification on balls and strikes. I made it perfectly clear we shouldn't get rid of umps in my comment, which I assume you read in order to write your comment
Hey BDE, I think I speak for a lot of your audience when I say we’d love a video on just how the hell Dale Murphy has never made it into Cooperstown. Obviously there are hella political issues that’d be hard to quantify or defend but like damn this man was the face of baseball for a few years and his resume more that precedes him. I know I’m probably preaching to the choir but a deep dive would be so interesting as it even seems like 80s baseball as a whole gets discounted often and I don’t quite get why.
First of all, I agree. Dale Murphy was more than a great player, he was the face of those lousy 1980s Braves teams that, like the Cubs, all of us came home from school and watched because we loved baseball. I am a big proponent of more people in the Hall, because it is good for the game. Celebrate your best players! It doesn't diminish the Hall at all, it just eliminates controversy. I mean, the point of the sport is to hit the ball, and the all-time hits leader and all-time homeruns leader aren't in the Hall of Fame. You can really only make up for that by rewarding players who didn't cheat or gamble. That said, there are two big problems for Murph, and hopefully the Veterans committee sees these. First, you mentioned stars from the 80s tend to get overlooked. The reason for that is when baseball expanded in the 60s, adding the Expos, Angels, Padres, Brewers, Astros, Royals, and Rangers, as well as moving to new markets with the Twins, A's, and Braves, this also had the effect of expanding the BBWA, who elect Hall of Famers. Those new members of the BBWA were likely mostly in their 30s. They covered the sport through the 80s. Well, by the time guys like Murphy were eligible for the Hall in 98 or 99, those guys were retired. The new replacement writers may not have been from that area and perhaps were unaware of the players contributions. The second problem is that Murph had just over 2,000 hits and just under 400 homeruns. He doesn't have a standout stat. However, it can be argued that his seven all-star games, two MVPs, 5 straight Gold Gloves, Four straight silver sluggers, and his stellar defense make up for that, and would be reflected in advanced stats. However, oddly, they just aren't. His overall WAR is comparable to guys like Mark Grace, Miguel Tejada, Matt Williams, and Curtis Granderson. The Magic Number for WAR and the Hall seems to be 47. Players with a WAR under 47 only make up 10% of Hall of Fame players, and they are either Negro Leagues players like Josh Gibson or Buck Leonard, where the stats are incomplete; they are players from the pre-Ruth era, they were catchers, or hold some other record, like Lou Brock. Dale's BABIP, rOBA, BA vs lgBA, and OPS vs lgOPS were all average. Where he excelled was hitting for power. His homerun percentage was twice the league average for the years he played. But, he hit a homer once every 20 at-bats, comparable to guys like Kris Bryant, Ron Gant, and Jermaine Dye. Not exactly Hall of Fame company. If Murph played today, with the focus on HRs at all cost, he would be in the 500HR club and a no-brainer for the Hall. Instead, he played at a time where situational hitting and keeping the train moving were the focus. The league was smaller, with 12 NL teams as opposed to todays 15. That means he saw better pitching than today's players do, because instead of 160 pitchers in the National league (ten or eleven for all 15 teams,) there were maybe 110, nine or ten for each of the 12 teams. It is just a different time, and Murph is a victim of those circumstances when it comes to HOF voting. Hopefully, the Veterans Committee remembers the impact he had as a superstar on National TV who was hands down one of the best players of the 80s, a time when 25 HRs was a lot.
This years officiating has been the worst I've ever seen in a World Series. Ball/Strike calls are wildly inconsistent and the replays are worthless. The calls have been so incredibly one sided against the Braves the entire post season that I cannot be convinced it isn't intentional.
Being a Marlins fan I'll never forget that 1997 NLCS game. It was ridiculous. I've never seen such bad strike calls. That curveball to end the game was ridiculous. But oh well it worked out in Miamis favor.
The technology for how we watch games has improved over the years so we see when a call is wrong instantly. Since this happens a fair amount we think the umpires are getting worse every year. Compared to years ago when we only saw blatant calls that were wrong.
Devil's advocate, but, that little rectangle on the tv isn't always an accurate representation of the strike zone. I've seen sometimes where it looks like the strike zone is from a guys ankle to his waist.
Robo umps scare me in a sense (I’m a catcher) because that takes away the framing part of catching. Literally half of catching is making balls into strikes, and yes I think umpires should be better but your taking away a key part of the game by doing this
17:02. As an umpire you can do this. I’ve done it in little league games and one freshman baseball game. I’m 99% certain you can do this in the major leagues but I can see why it’s frowned apon.
MLB baseball umpires take too much verbal abuse from players. In futbol, (soccer) no verbal abuse is tolerated. Penalty, a red card and ejection from game.This goes for a manager/coach as well. With that said, I hope they get computerized calls of balls and strikes. The umpire behind the plate can still make the other calls as he sees them. Even then, a computer replay would be helpful.
My favorite incident with the people overseeing a game is in the NHL when a bunch of fans dressed up like refs and cheered every time any of the refs or linesmen blew a whistle or made a call. Much more lighthearted.
Idk what nhl game you were watching
@@tracemcgoatly8571 Islanders v Aves Nov 5 2017.
This doesn't technically count but my favorite is when a group of people dress up as WWE referees and front row seats on the television side and when an obvious 2 count kick-out happens, they yell "TWOOOOOOO".
MLB had something like this too! A few years ago a couple of guys dressed up as Umpires and sat behind home plate calling all the same calls the real umps were.
@@tracemcgoatly8571 now you know
The nine dislikes are Angel Hernandez and his eight alt accounts.
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Angel Hernandez rarely ever umps the Dodgers but, he was behind the plate a few times for them in the playoffs and I was actually impressed
I'll say this in defense of Joe West, I've seen him joke around with players on TV a couple times so at least he seen to have some self-awareness and a sense of humor about everything, while Angel Hernadez gets butt hurt at the slightest criticism.
I feel the same way. I actually like Joe because of his funny moments and on field shenanigans. Of course Joe has his really bad calls and what not but he's definitely better than Angle Hernandez.
Joe LOVES the spotlight
I actually don't mind Joe West. He's kind of funny, and he's honestly far from the worst umpire. I mean, he's not GOOD, but he's not the worst either.
Joe west is funny and seems cool he’s just not good enough to be a mlb umpire angel Hernandez is just an assholr
“Self awareness of himself”
turns out that when the most important feature of your game is an arbitrary, invisible and imaginary box that no one can even really properly define even after over 100 years things get difficult
An arbitrary, invisible, and imaginary box that changes per player based on their stance and height.
Perfect, no problem here
@@matthewhall1467 That could be perfectly measurable due to better technology but somehow it's frowned upon
Arbitrary? Do you even know what that word means? The *strike zone* is not “arbitrary”. It’s the plate (little white thing shaped like a house, colloquially known as “home plate”) horizontally and letters to knees vertically. There I just defined it for you… after “100 long years” 🤡🤡🤡
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@@richardtherichard26 is it top of the letters, bottom of them or middle of them, what about if that player has a posture that ends up lowering the position of the letters? Does the strike box adjust to that position or is it kept as if his back were straight? What about the knees, does the strike box start at the top, bottom, or middle of the knees? Or the plate, does the outerbline of the strike box start at the edge of the plate or is the inner line of the strike box at the edge of the plate?
The strike box might be defined, but that doesnt mean it accounts for every scenario that creates a grey area.
That first story about umpires and players getting shot is fucking insane. I’m not the biggest fan of umps but that’s just sad to shoot someone over a game
exactly no matter how sucky they are they shouldn't be shot
i really dont know why people umpired back then
@@boblobdobhobrob8649 a games got to be officiated somehow. They didn’t have technology and fancy cameras back then.
I like how people yelling at the refs try to act so tough when they are yelling about a baseball game lol
Oh boy, thank goodness you haven't been to a South American and Eastern European game. They are legit frightening.
I saw Joe Mikulik once get ejected and then throw a toilet seat onto the field, and the stadium PA then played a flushing sound effect. I think most fans thought it wasn't real and just some promotional stunt.
that shot of Andre "The Hawk" Dawson throwing a bunch of bats at Joe West is timeless
I’ll still miss him though….Cal Ripken of Mr. MaGoo’s
When MLB fined him, on the memo line of the check he wrote "donation to the blind". 😂
The thing that bothers me is Joe West is still umping, and he was an ump when Hawk played. I would like to see "Term limits" on umps. As people age, reaction time and vision change. At 70 years old, it has to be damn hard to track a hard slider.
@@MichaelMiller-tm2os he's retired now
This Channel single handedly got me into baseball. All your videos are really well made. Only UA-cam page I have notifications on for
Lol this channel got me back into baseball.
Yeah Jomboy and this channel are the only reasons I'm into it now as well lmao
Me too
Your comment made me realize I should have notifications on, thanks!
@@skeletontoes7692 baseball is a fun sport!!! Hope you stick with it
Man, as a Tigers fan I still feel pain when I see that Jim Joyce call. Worst part is, that pitcher had an otherwise undistinguished career. That perfect game would have been the highlight of his life.
Actually when you think about it, it's probably a more noteworthy game because of the blown call. How many other perfect games do you vividly remember details of?
05:35 OMG.
I haven't finished the video yet, but that has to be the craziest story I've never heard.
Pure chaos. The Cubs trying to crowd the box to avoid a strike and the other team (Cardinals?) trying to get those free strikes.
Pure pandemonium. I'm so thankful there's actual video footage of it. 🙏
I almost peed myself laughing. Only in baseball
I’m always glad when you post new videos.
Instant replay has mostly cured the league of calls like Jim Joyce’s almost perfect incident. MLB needs to institute pitch challenges. Not every one, like 2-3 at most and you can keep the challenge if you get it right, but you need to challenge within 15 seconds of the pitch being thrown. This will help with those terrible strike 3 calls that decide games.
Yeah what you want is the elimination of what we call in Australian cricket "the howler"; a decision that is just wrong on replay. You give managers 3 unsuccessful calls per nine innings, and you'd probably greatly reduce "the howlers".
What you don't want is managers arguing ticky tack calls with reviews every time there's a pitch they don't like because that'll slow the game to an absolute crawl.
Yeah... no... You either have robots calling the game or you have humans. Whatever this bullshit is with umpires making calls, then some can be changed and others not is just plain stupid. Either we have humans make the calls and screw some up, or we have robots that do the same but with better accuracy. I haven't watched more than 10 games in a whole season since before MLB implemented the replay system. It's just so boring and not fun to watch with the system they have right now...
What really upsets players, and rightfully so, is an umpire calling a pitch a ball in the early innings, then, in the 9th. inning, with the game on the line, they call the same pitch a strike.
Exactly, if someone's strike zone is consistent, even if it's not quite perfect, you can live with that, you just adjust. But when it's all over the place, that's frustrating.
@@rick_fortune while doing high school games I've noticed the strike zone is especially hard to be consistent with if the catcher is changing his framing technique every pitch. If they have a natural frame job as an umpire it's easy to figure out where the ball actually came in, but if the frame job is random, then it becomes a lot harder to get calls right because 80+ mph pitches are almost impossible to see the ball at the exact point it crosses the plate, so umpires rely on the glove, and if they can't rely on the glove, then that becomes a problem
I love that arguing with officials is accepted and welcomed by the MLB. NBA refs will make call a tech and walk away like they think they're hot shit, it always bugged me.
Gotta give it to refs for sticking with the new rules in NBA this season, though. No more pump fake/lean in bullshit calls and it seems like they're sticking to it. I know most NBA "fans" haven't noticed by now, but they will come playoff season.
Arguing with officials in the MLB is definitely not welcomed managers have been suspended for just arguing
i actually find it hard to believe mlb umps are worse than nba refs.
It's accepted in baseball because it's the only thing that keeps it entertaining. The flip side is, you have parents coaching LL that think they can do it at that level. Massachusetts has a youth hockey referee shortage because of a-hole parents and coaches.
@@saulgoodman8501 They can at least talk to umpires though, NBA refs hand out techs for players aggressively tossing them the ball and giving the stink eye, it's honestly embarrassing how thin skinned they are, and yet how they act like they're totally untouchable
That like 40s ref who was knocking fools out is a super savage
The Joe Pesci of his time
Really strange seeing this tbh. I always felt MLB umps were far better than in other sports and many, many people agreed. I think TV broadcasts showing pitch tracking with the box in recent years has completely reversed that view.
Imagine if NFL broadcasts started highlighting every single missed holding call in real time on the screen. People would lose their minds
The strike zone on TV does nothing but hurt the viewing experience in my opinion.
That'd be a hell of a thing. To be honest, I'm still hazy on when blocking turns to holding. (I used to be a referee, but for flag football, so it's easier to say when it's out of line ... )
NFL broadcasters do highlight missed calls fairly regularly, just saying !
@@seanheaney8303 i was going to say NFL are the kings of replaying plays whether something illegal happened or not.
They hold on every play though. The O line and D line.
At the risk of being "That Guy," the Don Denkinger call that starts at 12:28 actually needs a clarification. The player who benefitted from the call ended up being out on a force-play at third later that inning. Although the Royals won, he never actually scored.
Nobody cares.
@@NoName-fo7mz Cards fans sure do. They've been bitching about that my entire life.
Did it impact the game, yes. Did it cause the Cardinals to lose that game (and the Series the next game), no. Watch the 9th inning of that game. The Cards collapse after that call (and to be fair to Denkinger, the way Todd Worrell tagged the bag was awkward as hell).
5:11 a face only a mother could love
😆😆😆😆😆 too good
It looks like a character from an early film …maybe called “Umps are Ugly and Should be Shot.”
Great piece as always. This channel has become one of my favorites because if it’s approach on talking about hot-bed issues, or even ones we haven’t heard of. Awesome job BBDE
Hands down my best video you folks have produced. This channel has reignited my love of baseball again. Thank you for bringing me back to The Show.
I’ll always remember the first time I made fun of an umpire. The poor guy didn’t know what a ball or a strike was. So at the end of the game I showed him my sports glasses and said “Do you need these?” I was 11.
You missed a career as an optometrist, buddy.
@@MeisterburgerBurgermeister for real bro
One time when I was playing in little league like 9 years ago a pitch was at my feet, literally 2 inches away. I had to dodge to avoid it on 3-2 and it was strike 3
@@lk2704 Angel Hernandez moment foreal.
Based
As a kid, I thought the melt downs were totally cool. Today, I find them completely inappropriate and embarrassing. It's true that the system promotes umpire for not doing a good job.
But that shouldn't be an excuse for umpires to be treated poorly and not protected by MLB either.
True but I can understand the anger when everyone know how obvious a call is. Doesn’t get called. Or should have. Especially now when you can reply it. That both Refs and umps.
I went to a game with the robo-ump and yeah it’s definitely not ready to even be used in Single A yet.
You would think the technology exists to make it perfect, I thought it would have been good by now.
They need to team up with the tennis hawk eye team who have had excellent tech for many years now capable of accurately calling balls hit much faster than a mlb pitcher throws.
@@CrescentRollCarl on a linear line thats half the width of a hand. The auto strike zone needs to change for every single batter and deal with different flight paths
@@adamwilliams2253 it's true that it's a harder problem to solve. The strike zone is 3d. But we're more than a decade, maybe two decades, into this tech. It won't be long until these issues are solved and we have something decent in place.
@@CrescentRollCarl THe problem isn't with the 3D portion. They put 10 sensors in the ground around the plate, and there is basically a matrix of lasers that can tell if any portion of the ball went over the plate. The problem is, stupidly, with high and low. They base it on the player's height, not his stance. So, a 6'4" who crouches a bit gets strikes called at his nose and balls at his thighs. It seems to me that a combo of robo and and ump watching on TV would solve this. Robo tells you over the plate, and the little box on TV tells you high and low. Then the ump in the booth hits a red or green button that tells the field up what to call.
Being an homeplate umpire in the MLB is the hardest officiating job of them all. It requires 20/20 vision
Theoretically, yes. However, any catcher or ump will tell you they have a feel for the strike zone. You can almost tell out of the pitcher's hand where it will end up. That is also part of the problem. As these younger pitchers use analytics to increase spin rates, pitched balls are breaking sharper, later. The ump is a good 5-6 feet back from the plate. If a curveball starts at a players head, and is caught 3-4 feet behind the plate low and outside, it almost certainly had to break over the plate. However, when that pitch is called a strike, everyone flips out.
@@MichaelMiller-tm2os I agree completely, I think it also has to do with pitcher consistency in hitting the same spot. If a pitcher establishes the inner half of the plate early. He's gonna get some benefit of the doubt from the ump. It's not like 30-40 years ago. When balls a foot out if the zone were called strikes. It's gotten alot tighter
Yeah. I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt for bad calls for strikes & ball. They are human. Like us. Not when it’s clearly Safe or out. Or whatever else. Especially when you can now look back at the play.
Me with 20/60 vision
Ah yes, old " Balkin Bob " Davidson threw out a mascot too...smh( about 6:10 )
Thank God Joe West finally retired
"Umpires perform worse as they get older..."
yeah no shit, we dont need "prime years" when talking about umps pushing 70 lmfao
I'm not even a big baseball fan (let alone sports fan) yet I can't get enough of this channel!
Best UA-camr. Intelligent analysis, sleek graphics, perfect voice
"Kill the Umpire" (1950) is a funny movie, with William Bendix as a loudmouth fan who's constantly baiting umps until they dare him to become one.
Fred Flintstone also had his troubles when he tried umpiring a Little League game.
Can we just take a moment to recognize the missile thrown to home from the right fielder at 12:37
Completely average throw and the runner was safe. So maybe just stop trying to be funny?
I swear at some point, Joe West just stopped trying to be good once he realized he will never get fired. Just look at his calls in 2021 NL Wild Card game. That was almost perfect.
Money does that. Look at all the players too. The second they get that paycheck they suck... cough cough Chris Davis cough cough
He also almost 70. Dudes been past his prime 5 times longer than he was in his prime.
I think everyone's eyes go bad at some point. They should have a special eye test that involves tracking high speed pitches, if they can't pass it they're done.
I wonder how many people have commented that on-field umps don’t make the decisions on instant replay challenges. That home run call in the playoffs was terrible but Angel didn’t come back from replay and still call it a home run. That was New York.
I loved a cartoon about the late Billy Martin where he charged home plate, looked the ump in the face, and complimented the ump on his call. In the last panel the ump looked at Martin as he walked back to the dugout and commented that Billy had to be nuts
It makes my day when his uploads. Love the content.
Ngl Angel Hernandez still deserves everything that has come to him. He’s just waaaaaaay to bad of an umpire
Every league’s fans think they got the worst officials. All umps/refs are now under a microscope with replay and pitch tracking. It’s such a different job now than it was back in the day, it’s crazy how many stories there were from the older eras of the game. Great video.
Ballsports are just sociopathic. Bunch of grown human males running back and forth across a field to kill wach other over a ball. It's like watching caged animals.
Yeah, NHL fans regularly complain that they got the worst refs in all sports, at least they don't get bullied as much as MLB refs
17:01 actually this was completely fine. They really need to enforce that rule all the time, batters and pitcher both take WAAAAY too long
While I do agree on alot of pitchers and batters taking too much time, the issue comes from the umpire choosing to enforce a rule that other umpires are not, as well as you saying it needing to be enforced consistently, which I dont think can be done until an actual time limit is established for each position. Otherwise it is up to the umpires discretion, like was see here, and there is no way that can be consistent with each umpire having a different tolerance for that bull shit.
I simply dont agree with an umpire taking the initiative to enforce a rule for a quicker pace for these positions in a manner that can drastically affect the at bat and game, when there is no such precedent for that type of punishment. If umpires gain the power to make up and enforce rules on the spot with their own punishments, the game will fall apart. Still vividly remember Ron Kulpa's famous "I can do whatever I want" shouting match.
@@RepressedMemories16 there already is a set time limit. It's 20 seconds, that's what the pitch clock is for. But no one is ever penalized for some reason
@@andrewbloom7694 what is the penalty supposed to be for going over?
@@RepressedMemories16 automatic strike if the batter takes too long, automatic ball if the pitcher does
I'm an Australian MLB fan, I support the A's 😢, and I watch as much baseball as I can get my hands on. We have AFL (Aussie rules) over here and it's our national game. I see umpiring errors all the time in AFL. BUT, nothing infuriates me more in sport, than watching the blatant mistakes made by MLB umpires. How Hernandez and West still get games is beyond me, let alone Post Season games. In AFL, if an umpire has a bad game, he gets dropped to a lower league the next week. The sooner MLB introduce home plate technology the better.
Shooting a player trying to steal second sounds like ancient Egyptian baseball, where the players threw knives at opposing team players as part of the game.
We've started fires, learned to fly, and have landed on the moon. But 13:03 the peak of humanity as we know it.
I was at the June 2006 game where Joe Mikulik went crazy. The baserunner in the call he argued was Koby Clemens, so of Roger Clemens, who had just pitched a rehab start in Lexington a few weeks earlier on June 6th.
best non-highlight baseball content!! keep up the good work
"Army-Crawled to a rosin bag,as if it was a grenade,and threw it towards an umpire"-I couldn't stop laughing at such gesture,I had to re-watch that scene multiple times. No one would have believed unless it was filmed.
Classic moment by a Braves manager. We love Wallman in Atlanta. He has balls big enough to drag the ground. He may be a bit crazed but his blowups are iconic
Wait wait, there was an umpire named randy marsh? Hope he had some tegridy
Damn Umpires in the 20s had it rough, their life was literally in danger from a sport
15:20 that’s not Angel’s say, New York looks at it and tell him what to call it. New York did fumble the bag on that one though
Actually back then I think the umpires would review it themselves
Never really was into baseball. But I must say after randomly coming across your videos I’ve been liking learning about the history of the game!! Keep it up man
Not enough people have talked about this. I’m all for an automated strike zone if they can be better than humans. As a varsity player I always thought the umps were awful, think of how bad high school umps are if the best in the world get it wrong 12% of the time.
My favorite thing in baseball is when a manager or player gets ejected and then they do something insanely funny to "make it official" like throw equipment or pop the hat off an ump.
BDE NEVER MISSES
Best baseball channel
"...was suspended for arguing with the robot." ... thank you for making me laugh this morning
12% wrong at home plate is pretty good when trying to make sure a fist sized object going 80mph+ makes it inside an imaginary box though no?...
Not when it’s your full time job
@@michaelpugh2617 you've never heard of the weatherman?.....
I haven't even watched this vid yet but I gotta say as someone that really gives no fuck about baseball...
These intros are ALWAYS top tier. So is the content after. I've actually paid attention to this year's playoffs because of this channel. I haven't gave a fuck since Pedro Martinez was a great pitcher (first name that came to mind, don't actually care about any team at all).
This made my day. I'm always excited when you drop a new video!
This channel has spark, my love for baseball game, so thank you very much
it's legit a toss up between NFL and MLB. Officials from both leagues blow HARD.
Calling two strikes mid argument is one hell of a power move
Great piece of information and appreciate the historical value professional umpires have on the game. One input I would convey that was underplayed during the segment on minor leaguers plight to MLB is why it’s a coveted “dream job”. I think it would be incredible to make a healthy six figure salary working 9 months out of the year with vacation time eating sunflower seeds having the best seat in the house going to every MLB venue while traveling first class to all of them and of course, being on national TV. Not a bad occupation for working just 3 hours a night and only 150 days. It’s a tough job but they are well trained and are under more scrutiny than ever plus stats show impressive improvement in call accuracy the past decade. And let’s be honest, how many times do you see players or coaches “go off” on umps each night? Not as often as we think though no stats to prove my opinion.
The greatest sports channel!!! I don’t care about baseball but I find myself caring about each story you tell! Awesome work
Oh, I love this channel...lol...Totally entertaining, but informative like a documentary...
you somehow make baseball interesting, i love your videos even tho ive never watched a lick of baseball in my life
Honestly my biggest complaint with umpiring in the MLB isn't their inconsistency, I'm not expecting perfection from them it's a tough gig. My problem is the refusal to ask for help on calls (like checked-swings) and how difficult it is to overturn or review the majority of calls. It's getting "easier" to challenge calls but it still really isn't. What is it, the teams get one challenge? In a game as long as baseball? If they just dropped the egos everyone would hopefully be more inclined to show patience with them. Yes experience is important I guess but I really think sports leagues should treat umpires/refs how teams treat players, their jobs are always on the line to someone performing better.
For me, inconsistency is the problem. As the umpire you set the tone. If you screw up by calling a really wide strike zone for the first three batters then guess what? The strike zone is now wide for the rest of the game, because you have to call it for the other team’s pitcher as well.
God I love this channel. I used love baseball and played in high school but fell out with it because let’s say I “had better things to do”. I found this channel and Jomboy and I’m getting back into it. My white Sox I thought were going to do worse and better this past year at the same time lol. Thank you for brightening up my day just a little bit my friend. Idk what that says about me that brightening up my day consists of watching umpires get beaten. But I digress. You’re the man and keep doing your thing. This is also best English I’ve typed in 4 months at least lol and I’m an American.
Should Boston university make a separate rank list for the empires with the most incorrect, but overall impactful umps? A few bad but impactful calls at the world series is probably far worse than a lot of bad calls in a reg season game?
Worst umpire incident ever was Kent Hrbek picking Rob Gant up by the leg to lift him off the bag and apply a tag in the 1991 World Series,-literally right in front of the umpire-who then called Gant out.
Im still mad about that, such utter incompetence.
I remember before I started watching your videos when I actually felt bad for baseball fans and players because their sport is dying... lol
Baseball umpires are only regarded as the worst in sport due to the difficulty in making correct calls. They are actually trying to do the best they can, but the higher the level of play, the worst the calls will be due to the tiny margins which separate calls becoming smaller and smaller the better the players are.
How dare you mention the legendary Youppi as “a mascot”
The problem with robo-umps calling balls and strikes (as well as the little box on the screen) is that the strike zone does not have set dimensions. The plate is a set width, but the top and bottom of the zone changes with every hitter depending on how long their legs are and how much they're crouching, standing upright, etc. It takes a very rapid judgment to determine what is and is not a strike when a ball is coming in just below knee-high at 90+MPH with 12+ inches of movement and the batter is twitching all over the place. A robo-ump will NEVER be able to make that determination consistently or accurately.
I really really think it is amazing for the game of baseball to have them, and yes they make the wrong calls, and as a player or fan or anything it's beyond frustrating. The calls should be right 100% of the time right? Or do they add experience to the game? If the pitcher throws a fire slider, or curve, and to any human eye appears to be a strike, does that add to the experience and give credit to the pitcher? Missed outs on plates is kinda iffy, but it give them an opportunity to throw games for betting as well, however, if they're not doing that, I think the umpire gives the game way more positive and I may stand with just how good pitches are at times.
Yeah I agree. YI’ll give them the benefit of the doubt for bad calls for strikes & ball. They are human. Like us. Not when it’s clearly Safe or out. Or whatever else. Especially when you can now look back at the play. This is for any sport.
It also kinda like Fouls/penalties in some way.
As a baseball player I can’t imagine a game without umpires even tho I get wrong calls a lot I still would like to have them
@Lighthouse in the Storm human element including mistakes is part of baseball
This is the best baseball channel on UA-cam.
@12:30. 1985 World Series example. Although the lead off runner would have been called out at 1st with replay. “…He and another runner would go on to score,” is incorrect. He (Jorge Orta) was out at 3rd. He was not one of the 2 that scored runs that inning.
It’s a good day when he posts a video
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I attended an Umpire School. Thanks for pointing out the difference between performance and appointments. Its one of the things that could honestly fix the robo-umpire issue if MLBUA would pull their fingers out and impose standards.
I want to go, but it seems like most of the people who go end up coming back pissed they didn't make it, and enforce every damn rule with 10 year olds. And yes you are very correct about the standards, I'm sure if they had 100% of umpires the MiLB in their 20's, and 100% of MLB umpires in their 30's and 40's with a mandatory say 50 year old retirement age the umpires could get a higher starting salary which would make more people interested and more people would get offered positions in the minors
We gotta bring back umps who’ll literally fight you over a call
They need a league where that's allowed, and all the players are ex mlb players, and the umps are all ex pro umps. That would get way more views than the actual mlb
Frank Robinson in the 1980s was expressing nostalgia for the days when Leo Durocher and Jocko Conlan kicked each other in the shins.
having robo umps would be good for calls but it would make the art of framing pitches by catchers completely irrelevant, but it is the most important job for catchers right now. Watching a catcher catch a ball would start looking super sloppy because there is no reason to frame any more, ruining the skill set of a lot of catchers.
It would just mean the best catchers are the ones that are good at things besides tricking the umpires
i love terry colins he always seems like hes insulting there moms out there but is just having a weird masculine exange
The beginning of the video always pumps me up to watch all of it! Great video homie.
You're reigniting my love for baseball with each video, keep it up dude!
Always a good day when I see a new Baseball Doesn't Exist.
I'm a Giants fan, so you bet I'm pissed about how umpire crews were assigned this year. In the NLDS both my guys and the Dodgers suffered from bad calls and in the end, the story was about the umpire, not the players. Yeah, we probably still lose on the next pitch, but to lose on a bad call. . .
Robot umpires are fine, once the technology shakes out, but for now, both the major and minor leagues need to be transparent about umpire ratings and make it easier to weed out the bad ones. The postseason should be reserved for the best-rated umps, not guys in their sixties. We also need to end the idea that it's OK to abuse the umpires. You want to make your argument, go ahead, but crap like kicking dirt or stealing bases needs to be slapped down hard.
I always wanted to see umpire stats during every pregame. If their strike zone percentage and blown call tally is broadcasted every game they might make more of an effort to get better.
Happy for the robot. I've never seen a ball at catcher's face mask called a strike more than this year. It's shoulders to knees - the strike zone. Where the hell did that come from?
I love the arguments. I'm all for electronic support as far as for the strike zone but you can't get rid of umps completely, we wouldn't get great moments such as Lou Pinella throwing bases and kicking dirt like a pissed off toddler.. just give em a hand with the strike zone is all I'm asking for haha
In order for coaches to be mad the umpires have to screw it up... If there's robots helping the umpires you won't have a single coach mad at an umpire, and not a single incident that's fun to watch. That's just how it will be. I'm indifferent between having robots or humans as I personally umpire and I understand people wanting all the calls to be right, but it will in fact take part of the game away. It's like the intentional walk rule, now there's no fun moments with that anymore, but now the games are quicker
@@rileyesmay I'm talking about strike zone dude. Even with replay the umps or officials in football still miss calls. I never said to get rid of umps entirely right? I'm just asking for assistance in strike zone placement and verification on balls and strikes. I made it perfectly clear we shouldn't get rid of umps in my comment, which I assume you read in order to write your comment
@2:04 that bat coming out of nowhere 😂 🤣. @5:28 shoot now days that’s considered attempted murder 😂.
As a Padres fan who painfully remembers watching that play at home against the Rockies, robo umps cannot be implemented soon enough.
Hey BDE, I think I speak for a lot of your audience when I say we’d love a video on just how the hell Dale Murphy has never made it into Cooperstown. Obviously there are hella political issues that’d be hard to quantify or defend but like damn this man was the face of baseball for a few years and his resume more that precedes him. I know I’m probably preaching to the choir but a deep dive would be so interesting as it even seems like 80s baseball as a whole gets discounted often and I don’t quite get why.
First of all, I agree. Dale Murphy was more than a great player, he was the face of those lousy 1980s Braves teams that, like the Cubs, all of us came home from school and watched because we loved baseball. I am a big proponent of more people in the Hall, because it is good for the game. Celebrate your best players! It doesn't diminish the Hall at all, it just eliminates controversy. I mean, the point of the sport is to hit the ball, and the all-time hits leader and all-time homeruns leader aren't in the Hall of Fame. You can really only make up for that by rewarding players who didn't cheat or gamble.
That said, there are two big problems for Murph, and hopefully the Veterans committee sees these. First, you mentioned stars from the 80s tend to get overlooked. The reason for that is when baseball expanded in the 60s, adding the Expos, Angels, Padres, Brewers, Astros, Royals, and Rangers, as well as moving to new markets with the Twins, A's, and Braves, this also had the effect of expanding the BBWA, who elect Hall of Famers. Those new members of the BBWA were likely mostly in their 30s. They covered the sport through the 80s. Well, by the time guys like Murphy were eligible for the Hall in 98 or 99, those guys were retired. The new replacement writers may not have been from that area and perhaps were unaware of the players contributions.
The second problem is that Murph had just over 2,000 hits and just under 400 homeruns. He doesn't have a standout stat. However, it can be argued that his seven all-star games, two MVPs, 5 straight Gold Gloves, Four straight silver sluggers, and his stellar defense make up for that, and would be reflected in advanced stats. However, oddly, they just aren't. His overall WAR is comparable to guys like Mark Grace, Miguel Tejada, Matt Williams, and Curtis Granderson. The Magic Number for WAR and the Hall seems to be 47. Players with a WAR under 47 only make up 10% of Hall of Fame players, and they are either Negro Leagues players like Josh Gibson or Buck Leonard, where the stats are incomplete; they are players from the pre-Ruth era, they were catchers, or hold some other record, like Lou Brock.
Dale's BABIP, rOBA, BA vs lgBA, and OPS vs lgOPS were all average. Where he excelled was hitting for power. His homerun percentage was twice the league average for the years he played. But, he hit a homer once every 20 at-bats, comparable to guys like Kris Bryant, Ron Gant, and Jermaine Dye. Not exactly Hall of Fame company.
If Murph played today, with the focus on HRs at all cost, he would be in the 500HR club and a no-brainer for the Hall. Instead, he played at a time where situational hitting and keeping the train moving were the focus. The league was smaller, with 12 NL teams as opposed to todays 15. That means he saw better pitching than today's players do, because instead of 160 pitchers in the National league (ten or eleven for all 15 teams,) there were maybe 110, nine or ten for each of the 12 teams. It is just a different time, and Murph is a victim of those circumstances when it comes to HOF voting.
Hopefully, the Veterans Committee remembers the impact he had as a superstar on National TV who was hands down one of the best players of the 80s, a time when 25 HRs was a lot.
Best UA-cam ever
People need to watch some of these. That one with Wally is great (he was mic'd up). And he was right. Ump got disciplined for the quick hook.
Braves are going to win world series
yessssir
If they don't, I'm blaming you completely Mr. Woolley.
This man is becoming a second Summoning Salt! Great vid
This years officiating has been the worst I've ever seen in a World Series. Ball/Strike calls are wildly inconsistent and the replays are worthless. The calls have been so incredibly one sided against the Braves the entire post season that I cannot be convinced it isn't intentional.
Unfortunately, some the strike calls on Altuve that were literally above his shoulders argues against your point.
As someone who played baseball for 18 years I would like to say "See, baseball wasn't always boring, & used to exist"
Being a Marlins fan I'll never forget that 1997 NLCS game. It was ridiculous. I've never seen such bad strike calls. That curveball to end the game was ridiculous. But oh well it worked out in Miamis favor.
The technology for how we watch games has improved over the years so we see when a call is wrong instantly. Since this happens a fair amount we think the umpires are getting worse every year. Compared to years ago when we only saw blatant calls that were wrong.
Best explanation I have read
Devil's advocate, but, that little rectangle on the tv isn't always an accurate representation of the strike zone. I've seen sometimes where it looks like the strike zone is from a guys ankle to his waist.
The amount of Cubs in this video make me sooooo happy. Old school ones too
I see videos like this and wonder how it’s possible to enjoy baseball, both for players and for fans. Feel like I’m missing something…
Robo umps scare me in a sense (I’m a catcher) because that takes away the framing part of catching. Literally half of catching is making balls into strikes, and yes I think umpires should be better but your taking away a key part of the game by doing this
Me: God these coaches are big babies, yelling like that
“He used the batting weights as binoculars”
Me:…Alright that’s hilarious
17:02. As an umpire you can do this. I’ve done it in little league games and one freshman baseball game. I’m 99% certain you can do this in the major leagues but I can see why it’s frowned apon.
MLB baseball umpires take too much verbal abuse from players. In futbol, (soccer) no verbal abuse is tolerated. Penalty, a red card and ejection from game.This goes for a manager/coach as well. With that said, I hope they get computerized calls of balls and strikes. The umpire behind the plate can still make the other calls as he sees them. Even then, a computer replay would be helpful.
Verbal abuse in football cannot lead to a penalty, and it has to be pretty egregious to even qualify for a card.
Futbol players protesting calls always motion like Oliver Twist asking for more gruel. I just find that amusing.