The True Nature Of Reality (w/Dr. Bernardo Kastrup)
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2024
- Matter is not fundamental to reality, MIND is. And what if that mind had multiple personality disorder? Oh this rabbit hole goes DEEP...
Dr. Bernardo Kastrup is the executive director of Essentia Foundation. His work has been leading the modern renaissance of metaphysical idealism, the notion that reality is essentially mental. He has a Ph.D. in philosophy (ontology, philosophy of mind) and another Ph.D. in computer engineering (reconfigurable computing, artificial intelligence). As a scientist, Bernardo has worked for the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) and the Philips Research Laboratories (where the 'Casimir Effect' of Quantum Field Theory was discovered). He's written a ton of fascinating books; links, podcast and more: zdoggmd.com/be...
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This blew my mind, I had to buy all Kastrup books I could get my hands on literally before I finished watching this. Never felt more aligned with a philosopher on the nature of reality that what was expressed in this interview. Wonderful stuff!
I read about 4 of Bernardo's books a few years back, and they actually changed the way reality felt to me on a day-to-day basis. Slightly disconcerting at the time, but fascinating all the same!
-" I had to buy all Kastrup books I could get my hands".....that is the point of his death denying ideology mate...to sell books. He has replaced god with Mind, Λογος(logos) with consciousness and as a bonus you get immortality without hell....new age religions!
@@nickolasgaspar9660 Well, not really. You can end up in a hell, because your memories and confuscated mind continues with you. And many people have pure hell in their mind. And it actually does not matter how you name things. The window is still window, even if I call it fenestra, okno or anything else.
@@AvesPasseri-Jinysvet Hell? my memories and mind continues with me??? How do you know those things are true and how can you demonstrate them.
Claiming there is a window on the wall is not enough. I don't know if you are mistaken...You will need to provide objective facts for your claims.
My critique is descriptive...but you say not really and you go on making additional unfalsifiable claims that are irrelevant to my claims. I don't get your reasoning.
@@nickolasgaspar9660 you didn't really write a critique. You wrote an accusation. You probably believed it to be critical, but it really wasn't.
I’ve struggled with the concept of objective reality and what it is and isn’t all my life. It’s a rare thing to encounter people such as you and the so far two other scientists you’ve had on the show. I know some will call it confirmation bias, that I seek out the things which confirm my beliefs, but I feel a connection. You and the others are saying the things I’ve been sensing and put them into words in a way I didn’t have the vocabulary to do myself.
I’m 52 years old and am just now starting to wake up. It’s a hard pill to swallow for most. I don’t dare try to discuss this with anyone except my most open minded friends. It’s too much for them. I very much look forward to more interviews like this one. Thank you so much.
Wes T.
What you call a confirmation bias is the very process BK is describing as the push from behind, the feeling our way to what wants to unfold by sensing whether you're getting cold or hot. It's not something to shy away from, it should be embraced.
I know what you mean about being hard to find people to discuss it with. My brother ( without quite realising it ) is a hardcore materialist and talking with him about this stuff is rather frustrating. He simply cannot allow the space for it within his materialist mental frame.
The more you talk about it, the more you understand it.
@@gavinr5576 Try Rupert Spira, he's great at explaining why the materialistic paradigm is flawed.
It's only confirmation bias if it's wrong, if it is right, it was intuition. ;)
One of the most brilliant minds out there. Been following Bernardo's work for a long time and I do recommend any of his books. He is one of the rare western philosophers that lives what he preaches.
@@motherofallemails I've been following him for years. He deserves to be a household name... :)
Mind blowing ideas. I'm always skeptical but now I'm even more skeptical of materialism...
@@motherofallemails welcome to his religion, he replaces god with "mind" , the λογος(logos) with consciousness and his death denying ideology doesn't include hell....congrats!
I recently started listening to Bernardo, although I have to admit he talks a bit over my head most of the time. I understand the whole concept of our consciousness creating our material world, I’ve never been able to figure out how he feels on the death of us, do we continue to a “new reality” where we continue to create our reality?
@Santiago Franco of course there is nothing wrong with religions...when you are not interested in what you can prove to be true and you are only interested in comforting death denying ideologies.
Thank you so much for this. I am an osteopathic medical student, frustrated with the medical system, and becoming one with our shared consciousness. I feel so motivated that science is beginning to merge with the reality that I’ve experienced. I’ve had a fascination with DID since I was a teen, and only recently did I also see the reflection of the dissociation of the cosmos onto our perceived reality. I hope to share this knowledge with my colleagues and future patients so that we may achieve a ripple effect of compassion. Much love
The cool thing about reality, is that it is without a doubt far more bizarre and beautiful and wonderful than anything we can ever imagine, and no one will ever tell me otherwise. When people tell me that when we die everything just stops and there is nothing, it baffles me that one could think this because nothing is not an experience. It’s like saying 0 is a real number. I feel like the life and death cycle of living organisms is almost a way for an eternal universe to experience what it’s like to live and die, because it itself can never do either.
Thanks to both of you for putting this together. I’m a long-time Kastrup fan, and might be the only neurosurgeon who read the entire 3 volumes of Schopenhauer’s “The World as Will and Idea”. Thanks Dr. Kastrup for recommending it in your book on his metaphysics. ZDogg, I appreciate your thoughtful questions and your grasp of the philosophical bases of the idealism/materialism antinomy. We’ve both been steeped in the prevailing materialist paradigm that dominates the world of medicine. After 40 years of operating on human brains and studying biological and computational neural networks, reading Kastrup turned my worldview inside out. The idea that the brain is what an alter looks like from the outside is so simple, yet completely revolutionary and pregnant with explanatory power. This was an important presentation and I hope it gets a lot of exposure.
OMG Steven I feel like I've found a brother here LOL, thank you for sharing your perspective.
Fantastic comment
Yes, revolutionary in the truest sense of that word. Idealism as formulated by Kant and then taken up by Schopenhauer has, in fact, been termed a Copernican revolution in epistemology. Of course, that description is only applicable to the West. Idealism has a long tradition in the East stretching back millennia.
I've been reading BK for a few years and am always deeply inspired by his message. It wouldn't surprise me if he got famous because of his courage and concise explanations.
If we're going to have a paradigm change no one else is more qualified to lead the charge. It would be perfectly 'natural' of him.
@@gratefulgregg9058 Agreed. Hope he teams up with the likes of Robert Lanza (an author of the "Biocentrism" trilogy of books offering and supporting an extremely similar consciousness-only ontology), they and their colleagues would shake the world.
Both the interviewer and the interviewee were brilliant. The interaction between you two was amazing and only confirm that the days of materialism are numbered
One of the best discussions on the subject I've ever heard. It set aside all the minutiae of neurology and scientism we hear in all the other theories - and all the conceited dismissal of higher consciousness (God if you will).
@Steve Warlee maybe make an argument or adress something they said instead of just dismissing them as empty headed.
@Steve Warlee How is materialism any less reminiscent of 'two native children in a kraal of Africa, discussing how the dry dirt and dust, becomes a thick goo after rain, yet never understanding how it came to be so'?
@Steve Warlee thanks. It is well to see you arguing so cogently. 😉
@Steve Warlee If they are just two native children in a krall why are you listening to them and spending time commenting on them. You must be an idiot.
"That's why I don't trip anymore" are not words I thought I'd hear come out of Dr. Kastrup's mouth when I started watching this, but, man, I'm so glad I did.
Timestamp please
I have been trying to understand consciousness, quantum mechanics, and the ultimate nature of reality for a few years now, and this line of reasoning is the only one that makes sense to me. Even the current pervasive materialist view has so many inconsistent paradoxes it is hard to take seriously once you start to see them. This is such a rational and plausible explanation, and yet some folks have such violent negative reaction to it. I don't understand why, it is not religion, there are no rules or consequences, it is merely an explanation. One that can actually help people so...
I suppose in order to have relativity we can't all be on the same page.
It's probably just a knee-jerk reaction to religion on the part of the physicalists. If this is true, spirituality/religion become the truth and the religion of physicalism is debunked. That's absolutely horrifying to anyone who has lived their entire life self-indulgently and selfishly, ignoring the spiritual, by believing a lie, a fairy tale for adults (physicalism).
-"I have been trying to understand consciousness, quantum mechanics, and the ultimate nature of reality for a few years now"
-Those topics are not connected. Consciousness is a biological byproduct. QM is the study of the behavior of really small elements of matter....while questions of the ultimate nature of reality is mostly fallacious questions since we don't have any observations to depart from those questions or a way to falsify our conclusions.
@@nickolasgaspar9660 "Consciousness is a biological byproduct." What evidence supports this belief? I recently replied to someone else who took issue with my claim that materialism is a dogmatic belief system, just as much as any religion. He could not argue my point, so I will just paste it here to see if you want to take a stab at it:
Let's start with my definition of these basic terms:
Materialism: A philosophical belief which holds matter (whatever that is), to be the fundamental substance in nature for all things, including mental states and consciousness as the result of material interactions.
Dogma: A principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.
Science: a systematic method for the study of structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.
Science is an extremely useful tool, it is essentially a method for the study of matter interaction. So it is not surprising that many scientists believe in materialism, when all you have is a hammer, all you see are nails. However, science has a limitation in that it can only describe a thing in relation to another thing. When it it comes to ultimate truth (the ontological primitive), science cannot speak on that subject because there is no objective frame of reference.
You said "Materialism is not a dogmatic religion. It is literally confirmed by every evidence in the universe."
How matter interacts within the observable universe doesn't tell me anything about ultimate truth, does it? I understand there is a great deal of correlative evidence between brain function and conscious states, but correlation is not evidence of causation. That is a well established scientific axiom yes?
I believed in materialism for most of my life, it always just seemed incontrovertibly true to me as well. However, after some experiences and then researching the subject in more detail, now I am not so sure. I am an engineer that specializes in MRI systems, part of my work involves supporting several functional brain research teams. I have even participated in some studies, so I am well aware of what we know and don't know about brain function research with MRI. As I see it, just because they know a lot about what parts of the brain are active during various cognitive functions, doesn't mean they have a clue why we are conscious.
I have also seen the theories about self actualizing feed back loops of complex systems, IMO that is all just wild speculation which also provides no evidence. Non of this even begins to explain conscious inner experience. Unless you know of direct evidence that demonstrates complex material interaction generating conscious experience?
So, when you state that materialism "is literally confirmed by every evidence in the universe." Can you see how that is a pure dogmatic belief? It is every bit as presumptuous and dogmatic as any religious belief. IMO it might be worse, because it masquerades as science, when really it is at best pseudoscience. It is just like when Medical science told us to cut fat out of our diet and eat more carbohydrates. We all believed that was based on "science" turns out nope, just some doctor incorrectly reasoned that eating fat will make you fat and clog your arteries. But he was supposedly an authority in his field and had a white coat, so everyone went along with it (including most doctors), forty years later after rampant obesity, heart disease, and diabetes, we now know that was a lot of BS.
So that brings us to Bernardo's view on Idealism, is it possible that some form of consciousness is fundamental (the ontological primitive)? Why would that be impossible? Is it any less probable than some mysterious physical interaction spontaneously generating conscious experience? Some would say yes because we know matter exists, therefore it has to be matter regardless of whether or not we can explain it. Well, others would argue that everything we know about matter is through conscious experience, and for all we know it is the material world that is a type of illusion built by a conscious immaterial mind. After all, the only thing we can be absolutely certain of (evidence) is that we are conscious, no?
People tend to believe that the material world is more real than our conscious experience because it appears to be continuous and consistent. However, we only perceive this to be true through our conscious experience, and there's the rub.
This line of reasoning requires a great deal of abstract critical thinking that is not plainly evident to most people. However, once you see it, you can't un-see it. I am not saying I know for sure this is it, but it is a plausible explanation that answers a lot of questions that materialism cannot answer. As Bernardo explains, it is a parsimonious explanation, IMO that alone makes it an attractive option.
I don't think we can ever know for certain, Is Idealism correct? Materialism? Religion? I honestly don't know for certain which is why I call out those that claim otherwise. If I had to place a bet right now, I would go with some form of Idealism, but I am open to change my opinion if new evidence is presented.
Hopefully you now understand why I believe Materialism is dogma (because it literally is).
@@ericmichel3857 -""Consciousness is a biological byproduct."
What evidence supports this belief?
-Scientific that establish the Necessary and Sufficient role of biology to explain the property.
-"I recently replied to someone else who took issue with my claim that materialism is a dogmatic belief system, just as much as any religion. "
-Well materialism by definition is an Indefensible worldview not a Philosophical position that can add to our understanding or offer a wise perspective. Its not a belief system, its an arbitrary conclusion, a dry statement based on a false generalization of scientific facts.
-"He could not argue my point, so I will just paste it here to see if you want to take a stab at it:"
- Well as I said , I reject materialism being e a justified worldview or a belief system , but it is a dogmatic declaration, but I will give it a try.
-"Materialism: A philosophical belief which holds matter (whatever that is), to be the fundamental substance in nature for all things, including mental states and consciousness as the result of material interactions"
-The definition of materialism goes beyond the above descriptions...Its the belief that all these phenomena can only have a materialistic ontology since nothing else exists.
-"A principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true."
-Materialism has no authority in metaphysics or epistemology so I cannot see the dogmatic aspect of an indefensible metaphysical declaration.
-"Science: a systematic method for the study of structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment."
-Yes systematicity is the main characteristic in all the Methodologies of Science. It is based on the Acknowledgement made by Methodological Naturalism,which states that our investigations we are limited by the abilities of our Methods and Observations to study the Natural Realms.
-"Science is an extremely useful tool, it is essentially a method for the study of matter interaction. "
-Correct the instrumental value of Science adds to the epistemic value of its Descriptive frameworks!
in all the above definitions we were in agreement since i was just clarifying or adding to your points.
The following statement is where I find your first error. I quote.
-" So it is not surprising that many scientists believe in materialism, when all you have is a hammer, all you see are nails."
-First of all the philosophical beliefs of scientists are irrelevant. As I pointed out above, Science is not compatible with the absolute declarations of Materialism. Science is based on Methodological Naturalism, which is an Acknowledgement on what we are limited to study, not on the assumptions of a Metaphysical Worldview(Materialism).
So science uses a hammer...not because of a philosophical bias or a caprice but due to Pragmatic Necessity. We can only verify nails and we can only work with "nails". The problem is not with the tool of our choice tool ....but with the type of fasteners that are available.
So our methods, scientific or not, can only verify Natural processes and mechanisms(nails), so we are forced to use the suitable tool(hammer) until we verify new types of fasteners.
Pragmatic Necessity doesn't Imply Philosophical Biases.
-"However, science has a limitation in that it can only describe a thing in relation to another thing. When it it comes to ultimate truth (the ontological primitive), science cannot speak on that subject because there is no objective frame of reference."
-Second problematic statement...and not because I reject the limitations of science. We agree on that. Science doesn't deal with ultimate truth or ulitmate knowledge. It can only produce Descriptive frameworks relative to our limitations in our observations and methods.
Objectivity in science is an important standard, but its not exclusive to Science. Its a criterion that any claims (scientific or not) needs to meet in order to be accepted for its truth or knowledge value. Without the ability to objectively evaluate a claim...it becomes "not even wrong".
Ultimate truth is an idealist goal we strive for not something that we can point to and describe in detail. Its a red herring and theoretical concept that can't be met by any method since objectivity is the only standard that can provide a credible verification.
-"You said "Materialism is not a dogmatic religion. It is literally confirmed by every evidence in the universe."
-lol did I wrote that????( believe you!) My mistake if I did! let me back track and clarify my position. Materialism is not dogmatic...its just a irrational claim , an unfounded generalization on available facts. Science may be an authority but scientific facts and principles do not accept the metaphysical claims of materialism.
I will split my response for convenience.
@@ericmichel3857 Now I tried to find the line where I stated "You said "Materialism is not a dogmatic religion. It is literally confirmed by every evidence in the universe."
I can not find. Are you sure that you read that in my comments?
I mean, the joy and laughter coming through the interviewer was fantastic. There was so many ' ahhh' moments. Excellent interview ! I have subscribed and I am looking forward to see Bernardo back.
Zdogg, Both your medical and mystical voyages rock. Talks like the present one are so important. Unfortunately such content if often shuffled of into "spiritual" and physics circles, and the common person never learns that these ideas have scientific status and great personal relevance. I hope your work continues to break through to the common person. You do this very well.
It's neat that you're exploring reality again. I loved your interview with Donald Hoffman last year!
@@AL-dp1yy what's triggered mean?
@@gratefulgregg9058 Angry like a little child, which Warlee over here is XD don't listen to children like him, they just ruin your day bc they're salty about crap in their own lives. I highly recommend Robert Lanza and Bob Berman's trilogy of books developing their theory Biocentrism which also proves that the universe is a mental realm and that consciousness > matter, all done purely with actual proven science. Great stuff.
@@mrreyes5004
*"which also proves that the universe is a mental realm and that consciousness > matter, all done purely with actual proven science."*
It doesn't prove a goddamn thing. Only to your irrational, biased human mind.🤣
I only found this vídeo because of Donald Hoffman 😉... ALL his other vídeos, I had no knowkedge of 😁!! Interesting that just today, I watched two of Dr. Z's vídeos and both of them was on reality I year a part!! But then again...what is time? Does it exist? Maybe I saw them at the same "time" on different time lines 🤪!! Take care!!
@Steve Warlee I don't think they're lost at all..I think they're curious about LIFE and you know... They're getting closer to what this is all about because they are able to join science and spirituality into one! I think they're FANTASTIC and they make a lot of sense! Take care buddy!!
This interviewer of Bernardo is the best of many who have made the attempt.
Thank you for this zdogg. I’m an internal medicine doc, about halfway through my career. This subject is the only thing that I find interesting anymore. Thinking about what IT is all about, gives me the strength to get out of bed in the morning and deliver medical care with compassion to my patients.
I cant believe these two guys got together! This is awesome.
More please, ZDogg!
I was having a sad day due to circumstances beyond my control but this conversation really lifted my spirit and helped me get into the NOW. Right now nothing is on fire and nobody is bleeding so I'm going to be ok thank you both so much. This helped me put my ish in perspective
You should check out Neville Goddard and his teachings. I don't know what you are going through, but everything will be ok. You are strong
Wow! This is mind blowing! I think many people would be more mentally healthy if this message could reach them
@Steve Warlee Just because you can't understand what he's saying doesn't mean it's not substantive.
@Steve Warlee cringe
@Steve Warlee "Now, many if not most fundamentalists and intelligent design, Bible-based groups deserve their reputation for being obstinately antiscience. They defend the Bible at all costs, even when it claims that a person named Noah saved two members of every species, of which there are eight million, to survive a worldwide flood for which no evidence exists [...] Their defense of Scripture, no matter how far-fetched the particular passage, handcuffs them to untenable positions. _But give them this:_ When they complain that the creation of the eye’s architecture cannot be explained by natural selection, and some scientists respond by summarily dismissing them, it is the _latter_ who are guilty of _sloppy reasoning."_ - Robert Lanza (renowned biologist) and Bob Berman (verified physicist), authors of "Biocentrism", "Beyond Biocentrism" and "The Grand Biocentric Design", a trilogy of books that argues for and supports an _extremely_ similar if not the very same consciousness-ontology using only proven physics (as far back and beyond the Einstein-Bohr debates) and verified biology of living things; I've checked for myself, there is no mysticism or woo to be found here. Sorry, but the "dumb materialist universe" idea has been debunked. Deal with it :)
The Buddhist philosopher, Shantarakshita, developed nearly this exact line of thought very deeply in the eight century ce. He synthesizes a position reconciling madhyamaka, yogacara, and classical pramana. His seminal work, Madhyamakalankara would be worth looking into.
If white people haven't come to a conclusion, it seems not to matter.. mind... matter 😂
Started philosophy nearly 30 years ago and one of the first philosophers we studied was Berkeley (an idealist), Kastrup’s work feels like coming home. Looking forward to digging into it
Well in India . I started with shankara's Non dual philosophy. Bernardo certainly articulates it in modern metaphors . As far as metaphysical explaination , it is the same
Have you read Neville Goddard?
Wow, this was, for me, the best interview with Bernardo Kastrup so far. I'm new to his thinking, but not to all of his ideas. I'm someone who was raised in a sceptical Christian milieu, then who found most wisdom in Buddhism, then moved on to listening regularly to Mooji and his happy belief that we can all connect to a universal divine if we really want to - that was all me developing my personal suppostions around "God", although there's a real hard research element to Buddhism and Advaita that aligns with my belief that the human mind is the best investigative instrument available to us. And now I've found Bernardo Kastrup who's putting a hard western philosophy framework around the idea of a universal mind, based on hard logic, based on hard science. Wow! This is revolutionary!
“”There is no rock”...There is no spoon!
I have watched a lot of interviews with Bernardo. This is on of the best. Your questions were insightful and you gave him room to breathe.
Ceci n'est pas un pipe! [Magritte]
there is no keyboard or touch screen...now try replying without using them.
Arguments from wordsalad.....
@@nickolasgaspar9660 sounds like someone didn't watch the video, or didn't understand it at least.
Ive had an ayahuasca experience as people call it transcendental.Among a ton of personal knowledge that was dumped into my councious mind ive experienced "god" and at least what i would call a model to the creation.To make a long story short, i was shown by this feminine entity that i call ayahuasca, "0=1" when i asked about how reality came to be.As i dive deep into this concept, this model kept showing to me: i saw an deep darkness, but not in a bad or haunted way, more like inexistence but full of potential, like a pregnant womb and this inexistence gave birth to existence(crazy i know) (hence 0=1).Later i realized that what was/is responsible for reality is just the primordial wish of god, and this wish i think it was love but it was more than this.But this relationship between inexistence (which i saw as infinite potential) didnt end there.Ive saw all the "data" generated by existence feedback into inexistence and this "update" the existence, in a dance for infinite.That reminded me of yin and yang,or two oposed things feedbacking into the same system
I used this example for my child who asked about consciousness and what my thoughts were about this concept. Anyway, I used one of those balloons that a clown twists out balloon animals with as a representation of fundamental consciousness and I called it "the whole", I then twisted out a couple bubbles as small as I could and told him that each bubble was an individual consciousness like me or him, but as you can see they are still part of the whole, segmented off but not disconnected.
Nice,top tutor.
An ocean, a lake or if both not available, a bath tub full of water. A single ripple in the water is an individual consciousness within a "whole" of water which is the foundation.
2 years ago I watched Bernard on another UA-cam program, "Thinking A Loud", were he presented this very compelling argument. Real scientists cannot buy into the absurdity of the dogmatic materialist paradigm. One day, hopefully soon, the world will step into the reality of mentalism. Actually Vedic spiritualists have a very precise definition and description of nature called Prakriti. Vedic literature have even described very small particles that sound very similar to some discovered in quantum mechanics. What's old, are considered new discoveries. Thanks for bringing Bernard on your program and espousing his theories to your audience.
The channel you're thinking of is New Thinking Allowed with Jeffery Mishelove
I really want to be a materiaist
@@spenglertheblind1008 It use to be just "Thinking Allowed", before it was changed to "New Thinking Allowed". Jefferey has some excellent interviews.
@@deborahlopez9540 I hear you, unfortunately there is too much evidence, and building, that completely destroys its paradigm.
I really want to think that the world is a thing that will go on after I die
Your medical expertise is valuable, especially your ability to break down complex issues and make them understandable to the layperson. These kinds of talks, however, are in my view the most valuable and interesting contributions you make to your audiences. Please give us more of these. I especially was captivated by not only this video, but by your conversation with professor Donald Hoffman about the nature of consciousness and reality. Love your stuff, and can’t get enough. We need people like you helping to take this mainstream!
Outstanding! ZDoggMD i discovered you through your Donald Hoffman podcast. I love Bernardo Kastrup, this was amazing, thank you!
When I was about twelve years old, my father and I had the same exact dream on the same exact night. I woke up that morning and was telling him about it. He would chime in and tell me the next part. And then I would do the same, until we got to the end of the dream. It was a silly dream about one of my pets, but to this day how that could have happened has escaped any sort of explanation. I feel like this is the first theory that could actually provide some context for how that could have happened. Awesome stuff.
Oh that’s dope 👁
How does a flock of birds or fish or livestock instantly change direction without bumping into each other? how do dogs know when their owners decide to come home? How can a mother's breasts lactate milk at the very moment her baby wakes? Even when the mother is miles away? Many security guards report that observed people become aware when their being watched. Answer...None local consciousness! Thoughts are transmitted out into the world to be recieved, especially mental intention, has someone telephoned you and you said " I was just thinking of you!?
my partner and i woke at the same time after both dreaming of a tiger. for sure the dream world is a vast world we have hardly tapped.
Oohhh I've done this with one of my favorite people where I went with him in his dream to his workplace ! I thought it was a one off since he was dismissive of his sense of it and I've always been looking for others who've had this experience besides Carlos Casteneda and Don Juan.
Yo that's sick!
I've been listening deeply to what Bernardo is putting out in all the interviews he's been giving, Bless his Heart!
This one is extraordinarily lucid , thanks to the interviewer allowing himself to be carried along, Bless you too! SO grateful for the teachings, Kim
Yes, top notch hosting by the Doc. So articulate and equally humble. Love what you help birth into the interwebs for more egos to see!
It's fascinating to see the world gravitating toward empirical discovery of the Law of One. Thank you for your work!
Really outstanding. I have seen many, perhaps most of the interviews with Bernardo on YT, buy really connected with this one.
Please please keep talking about this with as many scientists as you can 🙏
Why is it so important to you.?
Absolutely. As someone who deeply wants to know what the universe really is, these conversations seem to get right to the deepest core of it. Don Hoffman was another great guest.
All this effort to educate the scientists seems backward somehow!
Bring on Rupert Spira, this was incredibly interesting !
LOVE Rupert. Have asked his people for an interview, they roundly ignored me 😂
Yes!!!
@@ZDoggMD that's lame, how about the big one...how about Sadghuru?!
Please try to bring Rupert Spira
Rupert Spira is a teacher of Vedanta, the oldest and most spiritual form of nonduality and idealism.
Dudeeee.... Donald Hoffman, and now BK?!?! I love it!!!! Amazing interview. Great job. Thank you for this!
Ready when you are doc for another round with Bernardo.
I love Bernardo ❤️
Man this interview is so well done!! You just blew my mind, you are such a great host with a great personality on screen (probably off screen too haha) and your video quality is top notch :) The aliveness in these kinds of conversations and the shared ideas are exactly whats needed! Keep doing what you do and as a suggestion maybe inviting artists or creative people (who can definitely bring another deep perspective to the table) could be an idea for the next podcast :)
Edit: bernardo should become a regular guest on your platform, i think this would be really helpful to everyone!
Of many interesting programs i have heard this is the most compelling. I have listened to it several times
One of the Best interviews with BK on UA-cam - Thanks 😃
As one who experiences DID, I listen to this broadcast and jump for joy! I feel as though I understand exactly what the guest is explaining. Great morale booster. It’s not a “disorder” to me anymore.
I wish i could experience DID but then turn it off. Well i guess when i take my lsd and mushrooms i get somwthing similar.
@@bryanguilford6145 If you search, “Inside Dissociative Identity Disorder (Multiple Personality Disorder)” on UA-cam, this enactment give a fair impression of how one experiences it.
@@bryanguilford6145
Well it almost wouldn't be you unless "you"'re being the identity that is currently you.
Have you ever had the kinds of dreams they talk about here - where multiple alters have the same dream from different perspectives and can see each other in the dream?
@@GumbyTheGreen1 Yes, definitely, have also been introduced to others, been given messages, advice, have witnessed or been awakened overhearing arguments; anything we normally encounter in daily life with other human beings. You?
Dr Z, you did a GREAT job expressing the Ineffable! The summary you gave starting at 1:48 is absolutely superb... to say nothing of its consistency with the Upanishads.
Thank you for the gift.
I LOVE THIS STUFF... bring us more, please.
This is incredible... I would like everyone else to feel your ideas the way I did. This blew my mind. It is difficult sometimes to not come back to a painful adaptive state, but I hope I will find my way toward a full natural life and I also wish I could bring other people into this incredible way of seeing the universe and existence. This I thing is the real path to free ourselves from suffering, and I think more and more people, maybe with the help of the "awaken" ones, are, like me, starting to understand these deep truths... thank you guys, I immediately subscribed to the channel after having seen this video just to see other great interviews.
1:35:00 "Death is the end of the illusion of separation." -Alan Watts
Amen
Alan Watts knew the obvious, what happens once always happens once because what always happens once happens once. If are are infinitely irrational as the majority of human history then you will always believe this is your first point of existence and will never recognize irrational beliefs because only a rational human as the minority of human history can always recognize irrational beliefs to realize that they are the repeating Universe and the repeating Universe is them at this exact same moment forever. The Universe and I and I and the Universe are the infinite repeating origin story(history), existence can never change, existence always first believes it exist as change to always realize it exist infinitely so therefore it can never change, now repeat.
AW was 100 years ahead of his time wasn’t he? ;)
Mandāravā Sundari
Not really. He was just one of a few westerners who was immersed in eastern knowledge that is thousands of years old.
@@NoLefTurnUnStoned. Too bad he was an alcoholic.
I am very happy that in most of these dialogues, ZDogg is bringing up the idea of Death. I think death tells us more about life then the life itself. Absolutely brilliant job ZDogg!
There is no way to express how much I enjoyed and appreciate your presentation!
Please do share more conversations going deeper, down the rabbit hole! 🐇
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I have never done psychedelics but did have a near death experience at age 19. Returning to “being” felt amazingly good actually was quite a relief. I cried for days when I had to return. It was certainly not my choice.
So you did not like going back into your body?
@@valjenkins1 No. Not at all. It felt like "they" - whoever 'they' are - found that I was not ready, and I needed to return to learn something. I have no theory for any of it but it was a very strong experience. Another thing I remember is the reentering - I had to search my brain to figure out who I was.
If someone don’t like here,he can terminate himself very easily
@@periklisspanos7185 Once, if ever, you experience your true self (some call it the soul), you gain compassion and won't say cruel things like this. Suicide is never a solution to suffering - it is the ultimate suffering.
This is very enlightening! Just hearing you guys talk about this “reality” made me so much more aware of reality in a clearer way. Almost like unlocked something I never realized before. Good stuff!
even if they are unable to objectively demonstrate their ideas about reality? That is gullibility .
@@nickolasgaspar9660you have no idea how steeped in and biased by the materialistic world view, so much so that you will not even open your eyes to the evidence as concisely as can be, being laid out before you. Give it an open honest listen.
When people asked me how I view the world, I would always reply with the notion that I imagine the world as a theme park-designed by one entity. However, this entity wants to experience the theme park from all angles possible, but since it knew it built the park, it would not learn from its design and flaws, so it could improve it. Or even enjoy the experience at all, for all that matters. Because the entity already knows all its nooks and crannies. That's why the entity decided to split itself into billions of fragments. Visitors to the theme park, who could all experience the park from their unique perspectives, and, when later returned to the source, could take that information back to the entity so it could learn from these experiences and improve the design.
I never had the scientific words to back this up or explain this to people; it was just a gut feeling. Until now. Thank you for this.
I haven't had a more significant impact in my life since I read David Goggins' book.
I read the book and everyone should read it, even if you don’t agree with it.
Zubin, I absolutely love your enthusiasm for this topic. I have the same enthusiasm. I love both Donald and Bernardos work and have watched and read a lot of their work and interviews. I really appreciate both your interviews with them. Please keep exploring this topic in the future as I feel it is extremely important to humanity. Analytical Idealism makes so much initiative sense to me, its changed the entire way I view the world and existence itself. Keep it up brother.
Bernardo is leading the vanguard of big names in science and philosophy and computer science that is showing Materialism is wrong.
Others are Rupert Sheldrake, Donald Hoffman, Henry, Stapp, Bernard Carr, Anthony Peake, Thomas Campbell Rizwan Virk et al.
I wrote a letter, yes letter on paper to ZDogg asking him to get Hoffman, Campbell and Kastrup in the same room together. That would be an astounding interview and exchange of ideas.
God bless you. Have been looking for this list
Neville Goddard
I like Neville too
This gentleman is new to me; but chimes with Sheldrake & Peake. Nowt like sticking it to materialists,eh! Thanks for the other names
Wow..finally a BK interview that dares to go DEEP thanks to the insightful questioning style of the interviewer. Let's go even deeper next time. I'd like to hear Bernardo's analytical idealism's take on the state of awakened masters. Does the dissociation become so porous that their inner life is almost if not synonymous with universal/cosmic consciousness? Like the ego death that BK described but without the suffering upon re-entry? That would be the real miracle - a dissociated alter that no longer feels dissociated..a God's eye fully online..Self-aware..
I would love to see the reference to the research at Harvard where people with dissociative personality disorder reported the same dreams. P.S. Great video! Thanks
Wow, that would be great
As an old natural mystic I feel right at home with this discussion. To have an experience other than bliss, the universal mind has to create limitation. Alters provide the limits, or boundaries that then deliver a variety of experiences. Not having done drugs, but familiar with spontaneous unitary bliss, I have to agree that coming back from them is awful. After the bliss, the normal constraints seem boring and meaningless. However, I came to the same conclusion that one must carry on as an emissary of the thing in itself. We are the heroes, like it or not. I know how good Bernardo is, but I have not known you as an interviewer. You are great at it. Keep up the good work.
Agree !
Keep up the good work 😊
Thank you for this perspective and for your kind words as well 🙏
Excellent. Just excellent. It would be difficult to find a better way to spend 1:54:57. Nicely done. Thank you.
I’ve listened to everything bernado does and this is one of his best ! Love this interview so much! You both have such engaging personalities! This is my third or fourth listen
This IS Church. Thank you so much for sharing your time, gentlemen.
I can’t wait until you meet again.
I wish there were people in my life that care about this as much as I do. Amazing
Truly Beautiful. All kinds of intellectual praise could be given but really this video displays the beauty of radical honesty. Suffering only belongs in the realm of meta-consciousness. This is a truly skeptical praxis of intellectually honest Science, by the way.
Talk above a video EVERYONE should see! I love Bernardo but I’m super into philosophy which doesn’t work for everyone. In this video, more than any I’ve seen, is so relatable to the everyday person or newcomer to this!
Fantastic job and such a down to earth and casual host! 🔥
Kudos to ZDogg for this insightful session with Bernardo Kastrup. Loved it!
As a Vedantin, I found striking parallels between Kastrup’s formulation of reality and that of Advaita (Non-Dual) Vedanta. I am interested in learning about Bernardo’s take on the convergences and divergences, if any, between these two formulations of reality in a follow-up session.
He and Rupert Spira are good friends.
20 years ago I wrote notes on imagining multiple personalities acting with one another, playing roles inside of one's brain. I researched a lot of parallel computing since then, so it's much easier to imagine how that's feasible... I also suffered from derealization-depersonalization in the 1990s, which helped to question nature of our reality.
I absolutely love this show, the dialog you had, and I love you guys! I am LOVE. We all ARE ONE BIG LOVE! Peace!
Holy shit! Lmao I've been trying to explain this to others as well as myself since I was a kid but you two have put it into perfect words for us ! Thank you deeply!!
Wow! This is so refreshing! Even Donald Hoffman's radical approach did not take me that far in thinking about reality. Bernardo's analogy with dissociation and multiple personalities is just a great explanation. Thank you so much for this talk!
Just like turtles, it's consciousness all the way down. Our gift as human beings, as creative expressions of, as, through consciousness, when we see the truth of consciousness, is to be able to manipulate appearances and basically to use our illusions. That thou art.. literally, figuratively and seriously. We are all greater artists than we can imagine.
These discussions have opened my mind and answered questions that I have been thinking about for a long time! Thank you!!!
If you haven't read the 'Appendix: The Fall' in Bernardo's latest book it's worth the price of admission. I love this guy!
What is the title of the book?
@@wesbmwt4173 Decoding Jung's Metaphysics
I first encountered a deeply persuasive version of this approach to consciousness as immanent in nature (outside of the mystical traditions) 40 years ago reading the great and somehow forgotten Gregory Bateson, in his masterly work Mind and Nature. He quoted Korzybski's theorem, "the map is not the territory," as a basic principle toward understanding that the ostensible reality we regard as an axiomatic framework is not what it appears to be. Time to dig up my Bateson!
Bernardo!!!! Oh wow! You have the best guests ZDogg! :)
In regards to the idea of Telos, I have come to the conclusion that being, or "To Be" is our ultimate telos which sounds like it coincides with Kastrup's idea of telos being pushed from behind. And, it's such a relief to simply focus on letting go of what isn't just focus on what is and just be. For many, probably most and even possibly everyone would serve a much better, happier life overall. So good!
The Donald Hoffman interview led me here, loving this rabbit hole of information.
Bernardo Kastrup knows what's up. This might be my favorite video of all time.
A fascinating discussion. Somehow this idea reminds of the discussions about Brahma in Hinduism, which describes the universe as being within Brahma and all that is manifested is Brahma's movement. Anyhow this was really cool.
Yes . It is Brahman the universal consciousness. Brahma is the name given to the creator of the objective universe. Brahmin is one of the class dedicated to the pursuit of truth. These three words can be confusing.
It’s amazing how these theories are a reflection of the ancient principles of Hermetics. Hermetic Principle #1: The Universe (All That Is) is purely mental.
one word, awesome.
Wonderful explanation about reality and concluded that all these dissociated pixels are the excitations of Consciousness .The same is proclaimed in the vedantic philosophy for more than the time immemorial. Innumerable spiritual scientists have spent ages in this painstaking endeavor. Thanks.
Dr. Z you should bring on Dr. Robert Sapolsky, Ph.D (Stanford - Primatology and Neurobiology) 😀
Omg yes!! I devoured his whole Stanford lecture years ago. Changed my view on freewill.
1:35:00 What a powerful message. Thank you!
Thanks, superb interview. Such an enlightening and intelligent dialogue. There is no denying that some of Dr. Kastrup's principles remind me of the late, great Alan Watts. One of my favorite aphorisms of Watts was, "We are the universe looking back on itself."
Absolutely incredible and a joy to watch! 2hrs that perfectly address so many high level topics that seemingly evolve from the same, singular theory and then wrap up with the perfect bridging into the meaning of life, our journey through it and higher ascention by the end of it. This should give great comfort to anyone worried about life after death. Also, I am not a religious person in the traditional sense but to think that the bible tells us God created us in his image...if you apply that to us being a subdivide of the great single conciousness/mind then we truly could be the wave and the ocean at the same time. Just amazingly mind opening! Please consider a 3-way panel with Bernardo and Hoffman...to watch them go back and forth with your reframing added would be beyond fantastic!
Hey Zdogg have you heard of Tom Campbell s MBT Theory ? He has the same ideas like Don but more complex theory
I’ve had enough “paranormal” experiences where I can definitively say that our reality is NOT what it seems. It’s not material-based and we are constantly shifting to different realities based on our thoughts (which are ruled by our emotions/belief system). This is how people experience “glitches in the matrix”, how miracle healing happens, and how we manifest unbelievable things. All of which I have experienced. I’ve also left my body *unexpectedly* while doing my daily meditation. We aren’t our bodies and none of our “reality” is real in terms of what we typically define as “real”. The experiences are real and our consciousness is real, and that’s it!! Thanks for this awesome podcast 💗
Could you tell us some experiences that made you come to tgat conclusion? Or is there still space for tge argument, that it was just a hallucination?
ZDogg will you provide a forum for Bernardo to debate some prominent materialist like Dawkins or Dennet? Perhaps an agnostic like Sam Harris?
i suggest you the Closer To Truth channel for those debates. Is very interesting .
I heard a man once say. "Men fear the games the creators made for fun". Dont take these guys or anyone too seriously especially yourself. Trust this. No one who has ever lived knows what is. That's part of the game.. Duh.. it's a jungle gym not an escape room. Just look at the mountains. Feel. Be calm.
Now go be with your families.. let it go..you will never figure this game out.
Love feels good
Violence feels bad.
Treat others well and live without envy hate or greed.
That's all you have to do.. Play..it's all simple and it's all perfect. There is nothing to worry about.
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It's awesome! I'm subscribed to both of you (=
Hoffmann and Kastrup should have a conversation together about all of this. Absolutely fantastic guys out there!
As a philosopher who’s leaning heavily on the side of so called “idealism”, I find it amusing that I have to thank blood clotting for finding this video. The matrix operates in inscrutable ways.
Why are you learning about idealism? Are you learning the history of idealism?
Lol.
I’m disappointed to learn these two believe “this” is reality and a vax is the “answer” 🤦🏼♀️
One of the things I admire about BK is the extent to which he has thought through his revolutionary position. He gives strength and energy to those who learn from him. For a long time I was intimidated by the proponents of scientific materialism. No mo. Thanks!
The natural state is not having to work 40 hours a week with barely any vacation time.
Just like socialism maaaannnn
Before the scamdemic I was doing a 5 hour week in my dream job.
If thats socialism bring it on!
The natural state is working 168 hours a week for your own goals and well-being. The unnatural state is being a cog in a large organization which sacrifices your well-being for goals which are not aligned with yours.
@@sues7743 socialism = atheism + materialism + production = "well being". So it's forced labour.
Great talk again....the truth is slowly but surely getting out there
Oooooo this is good.
Time and space are functions of ones conceptual scheme, consciousness is the fundamental reality
Sounds like Buddhism ☸️
Yes and it matches a lot with Advaita Vedanta. Both it and the Zen school have a lot in common. Very glad you did this one Doc.
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@@edshipe2555 Right!ॐ ॐ❤
Incredible interview! Mind blown. Can't wait to listen again after some time digesting this information.
I've become incredibly interested in consciousness recently and feel so fortunate to stumble upon this and Dr. Hoffman's interview. Thank you for making this and spreading it around the world.
His way of saying there is no free will is quite beautiful
Love this. So real. Love you for being able to put this out to peeps.
“Where there are rocks, watch out! Watch out, because the rocks are going to eventually come alive and they are going to have people crawling over them." -Alan Watts
unforgettable, intoxicating, vital..thank you, dear ones
This sounds very much like ridiculously smart people coming back to a way of seeing reality that sounds eerily similar to Genesis chapter 1. Politics is getting more explicitly religious, film fandom is turning religious and even science is returning to a religious framework. Interesting development in the world
Keep clinging to your fairy tale with Gabby Douglas level mental gymnastics bro
Thank you! I love the topic.
Your show with Don Hoffman was wonderful and this was as well.
I have enjoyed your covid up dates but I truly appreciate this type of program.