Looking for more tests and exercises used in treating knee pain? Our complete Knee Pain Program playlist can be found here ua-cam.com/play/PL8l32k1r15l45pq8HBsa0CHPqxQl9oLFs.html
You admitting that you were wrong makes me EXTREMELY proud of you, and that attitude is best for civilization to move forward with regard to health wisdom. Thank you.
Not only admitting but the explanation for the reasoning behind it. Honesty and open communication could really make some positive changes in the world if everybody practice them
Hey Bob & Brad! Love you guys! Thanks for exposing me to the Knees Over Toes Guy. I initially thought he was completely insane, but I started taking him seriously after you interviewed him. I've been following his program for 1 month now and I have experienced a BIG decrease in my knee pain. This is literally changing my life and my fitness. Thank you!
I check into Bob & Brad's channel now & again out of interest. I am 79 years into my prime & try to maintain physicality as much as possible. I have followed these guys for years out of curiosity & their humor & delivery is great. However after a lifetime of body destroying activity & re-education I have never received much real help from any of the many PTs I have ever dealt with. I have great respect for Bob & Brad because they help the average Joe with good advice. A short while ago I came across Ben & his opposite take to any advice I was ever given & have had amazing results in very short time span. My reason for writing this is to show respect for Bob & Brad who, like me, formerly believed in the myth of never putting knees over toes & were willing to explore new ideas & change their minds - respect!
@Athlethics One doctor told me to strengthen quads. This will reduce the impact on the knee and reduce knee pain. Another doctor told me that quads have no weight-bearing function and it will have no effect in reducing pain.
Well they had this study from the 1960's or 70's showing more "shear force" at the knee, with knee beyond toe which is true and just said avoid it or that's what most took away from the paper which didn't exactly say that. It does put a lot of force on the knee but carefully built up to and applied that might be okay is the idea put forward here. Be careful, the progressions exist for a reason even the advocates of this say! It's still controversial so consider that. Don't just jump into it and attempt sissy squats, for example and if something hurts don't do it. Experts currently disagree so I'm just expressing the rationale not endorsing any school of thought per se. You get this a lot. If you do good mornings you could injure your lower back but some carefully use it to strengthen their lower back...some say start with a broomstick and some say just don't do it, period! Different people including experts hold to different schools of thought and the consensus isn't always right. I describe the way it is I don't advocate anything for everyone I am not an expert. This response was for entertainment purposes only...
Looks like I'm late to the party on this topic but with my bad knees, I was willing to try anything. Orthopedics told me I still have too much cartilage for a replacement. I watched and tried the backward walking with sled, and the result in 48 hrs is nothing short of amazing. I'm encouraged and will see if it works long term.
These are the most established PTs in the UA-cam world embracing change in their field. And not that they're old but they're no spring chickens. This cements Bob and Brad in my mind as the best in the business that you can take advice from. Because they can marry their degrees with their clinical knowledge with the ongoing evolution of physical therapy/strengthening happening outside brick and mortar clinics. Kudos to everyone here.
I had a walker with a basket and four wheels from partial knee replacements. I put 15 pounds in the basket and tied a resistance band to me and it and Voila!!! Awesome. My knees feel better already and stretching is easier. Praise God, I found out about him yesterday and can't wait to get his program. Thanks guys! 🙏 And the stiffness is gone. I've been suffering 2 yrs now. I walk regularly and lift weights with my total gym but afterwards I'm done for the rest of the day. Not today! 💪
Searched for this because my left knee has been hurting every day. Had surgery years ago for miniscus tear. Airrosti recently showed me what was going on, and gave me great stuff to make it feel better. However, the pain kept creeping back up, because I didn’t have anything preventive to strengthen my knees, so I did these exercises just now and it already feels better. I’m really really shocked right now. Thank you for posting this!!
Picked up running 2 months ago. Under my left knee is killing me. I haven't ran in over 2 weeks out of fear of hurting myself. Glad I came across Bob and Brad.
Just wanted to share my experience. In January got reared ended like 60-70 mph at a red light and part of my cartilage ripped since my knee twisted. Went countless times to PT and Chiro, when I stumbled around this knees over toes program. Doctor had said surgery. With a combination of PT exercises that I still do, along with Chiro appointments sometimes, and the program; my knee has felt way better and starting to do run again. Walking backwards helps too, do at least ten min every other day at the track. Great video as always! Going the conservative way and hoping able to avoid surgery going this route
@@CamelBlue777 hey feels normal for most part. Sometimes feel an uncomfortable feeling but not really pain. Sometimes only when I workout at the gym and do walking lunges. However nothing like before. I will move on to the next excercise program once the one I’m doing feels 100% pain free. Which feels like a 1 or 2 out a 10 point scale. So almost moving on to the next one. Walking backwards helps too, for like ten min every other day
so cool you also agree with the kneesovertoesguy! i have been doing his exercises to protect my knees as a runner and have to say they work... just got the roman chair/hyperextension machine for strengthening my posterior chain, too, seeing that he is recommending it. and the wall anchored elastic bands. all i need to supplement my running. (also, i would advise your viewers to check how he explains the ATG split squats as i am not sure you have explained them well here. f.e. the knee never touches the floor. the front foot can be on different heights of blocks, chairs, etc. in the zero program as it is much easier and allows for full range of motion. the front heel can be on the floor as well as elevated- 2 different versions). excelent video!!! thank you!!!
Knees over toes changed my life. I have no acl or menicus in my left knee and do Bulgarian split squat with a 100 pound db with no pain full range of motion.
Totally unreal what you can accomplish with this approach, i also tore some ligaments in my early teens and just fixed it at 30, keep grinding brother.
I'm so thankful that you have the videos on your website, in categories. I frequently look for specific ones on you tube and don't often find what I want from any channel. 👍
Great review guys! That last split squat form needs tweaking... Gotta elevate the front foot and keep torso upright to get knee fully activated and then lower front foot as strength and balance improves. Thanks for the laughs!
Great video as always guys. 👍 I am curious of what you think about the toes over knee guys idea about the benefits of practicing with the back curved/bent. He often lifts weights with a bent back. I know that you often say that it's among the worst excercises/motions. 🙂
Hi, I work in physical therapy, and what Ben is talking about is using a light enough weight that you OWN the movement through the entire range. Problems occur with overloading, and then jerking to complete the movement. The stretch occurs with the eccentric (lowering) movement through the entire posterior chain.
Eric Goodman's Foundation Training. Ben Patrick's ATG is great for the front chain (with some good back chain work also), Foundation Training is all about the back chain. The two programs are a great complement to each other.
The first step is to realize that our modern sedentary lifestyles and postures cause our joints to weaken, shrink and lose capability - the "sitting disease." The second step is to start correcting that in a very measured, careful, progressive way. Ben Patrick's stuff does that. It is amazing how fast it comes back when you take your time and gradually increase strength and range of motion. I'm 59, had meniscus repair two years ago, and conventional PT never restored full ROM in that knee. The ATG program has been amazing. ATG Knee Zero - simple stuff, bodyweight only, using assistance wherever needed, never working through pain - is where you want to start.
a great way to regress with the split squat is to put your front foot up higher. you can also hang a band from a pull up bar and use that to help slowly lower yourself. one thing to remember is to try to straighten the back leg if you can. always work in pain free function. best wishes
Ultimately the body is a machine with the ability to heal itself to some degree. I think it would be interesting to interview a mechanical engineer explaining the destructive force put on the knee when it is bent at an acute angle. When they design structures and machinery, they have to keep that wear and tear in mind. Seems like there is a formula using the weight of the structure and angle of the joint to determine pressure on the joint. Maybe I'm wrong but seems like it puts a sheering force on the cartilage. Once the cartilage is worn away the joint experiences pain. While the knee can bend at an acute angle it comes with an orthopedic cost. The cost is unnoticeable at first but excruciating by the time you realize you've worn out the cartilage.
can you go to PT when you have edema around knee without MRI? Ultrasound said possible hematoma, seroma versus burst bakers cyst continue with pain and now swelling around inner part of knee? Have been using MICE without improvement. Help, can't get into PT for over 10days
Are the "level 0" exercises in this video helpful for people with mild to moderate knee osteoarthritis? I am guessing yes, as long as it feels comfortable?
Nobody has ever gotten stronger at something by avoiding it, and it always results in getting weaker at that motion which makes you even more prone to injury. The fitness profession has too many "never do this exercise or motion" rules. In stead they should tell people that doing a particular exercise works a particular set of muscles and that some people need to be aware of the risks of overdoing something, and that they need to progressively work to improve it rather than avoid it.
It is not clear from this video whether these exercises are suitable for people with moderate knee OA. I am assuming yes, **IF** it feels comfortable. As for why it helps, Bob alludes to it in the video. Saying knees over toes strengthens a different part of the knee/quad and is also what we do in real life when climbing stairs and running.
My best guess is that it's not intended to overwork. So try doing the various exercises and when it starts to feel uncomfortable make a note and ever couple weeks increase from that minimum point. A good multiplier is always 3. So 3 sets of 8 or 10 etc. You should see incremental increases in muscle durability as well as strength. Then change the multiplier to 4 and 5 to increase the value and gain of each workout. Happy knees, Happy life. Best of luck.
Well they had this study from the 1960's or 70's showing more "shear force" at the knee, with knee beyond toe which is true and just said avoid it or that's what most took away from the paper which didn't exactly say that. It does put a lot of force on the knee but carefully built up to and applied that might be okay is the idea put forward here. Be careful, the progressions exist for a reason even the advocates of this say! It's still controversial so consider that. Don't just jump into it and attempt sissy squats, for example and if something hurts don't do it. Experts currently disagree so I'm just expressing the rationale not endorsing any school of thought per se. You get this a lot. If you do good mornings you could injure your lower back but some carefully use it to strengthen their lower back...some say start with a broomstick and some say just don't do it, period! Different people including experts hold to different schools of thought and the consensus isn't always right. I describe the way it is I don't advocate anything for everyone I am not an expert. This response was for entertainment purposes only...
I'm no physio but pulling your knees up to your butt, one at a time while sitting, is a no load method of working your knee motion. If you can't do this you should practice until you can. Don't do squats if you can't.
You shouldn’t swing your hips when you are working your tibialis . Your back should be against the wall with your feet away from the wall in front of you with your feet together. Press heels in the floor and raise your toes off the floor and up , hold for a second and go back down.
How about you give credit to who made this known. The kneesovertoesguy he's been pushing this for years and I'd bet you guys watched him then read the necessary studies.
Ben's "knees over toes" exercises are fantastic and I highly recommend them to help strengthen the knees and legs. Follow him on UA-cam to get a feel for what a great guy Ben is. I now don't do any other leg strengthening program than his. I signed up to his program and been doing it for about 12 weeks now and have advanced into now doing most of his program exercises using mostly bodyweight only. There are many more exercises than what Bob and Brad showed.
I've been doing these exercises for a while and they really work! Also been a big Bob and Brad fan forever, so their approval is everything. Thanks Guys!
Just saw this. It's so admirable and impressive that people your age are willing and able to evolve in your thinking. Always being open-minded is the epitome of professionalism. 👍
Yes, those split squats need work, per Ben's system! I'm a huge fan and disciple of the ATG system. Walking backwards and the tib raises, along with the Patrick stepups (stepdowns?!) Are making a huge difference in this 62 year old runner's life! I currently jog backwards up a 75 yard hill 16 times, once a week now, as I don't have a Sled yet. Started three months ago with walking 6 times up, what a quad burn! Lower body has NEVER felt better.
Really happy to see you guys are sharing this approach. I’ve discovered it recently too and I finally feel like I’m actually rehabilitating my knee issues and muscles around it. Love your videos and thanks for everything guys!
Well, I was under the impression that the Knees Over Toes Guy was a gimmick. But with your endorsement is a complete game changer for me. I've have come trust Bob and Brad. Thank you for posting.
Thank you so much! Back in the 70's I was a runner and a backpacker and learned about walking backward--up hills, etc. This was great. You all are great. Thank you for sharing your website and so much guidance in your videos!
Given that this channel has more followers they have probably done a great job simply publishing it, and a lot of people will go to the source, obviously.
@@alejandrop.s.3942 true. Like I said no offense. I just want to make sure people to get a more comprehensive understanding as I have benefited so much from it.
Bob hope you are allright. I used to watch your videos few months ago and just watching today I feel like you are not well. Hope your health is good. Keep up the good work on the videos.
I am so excited that my two most famous physical therapists on the internet have found and are teaching the "knee over toes" guy. I have four joints that have needed to be replaced for the last 10 years (I am in my mid 60s) due to osteoporosis, osteoarthritis, and stickler syndrome (which affects all the collagen in the body), I cannot do the surgeries, (nor do I want to). These PTs and people like knee over toes guy, are keeping me healthy regardless. Thank you so much. I love you all. You give people like me hope. God Bless.
I have been to a physio about my knees. I'm in extreme pain. She said I need to knees replacements. L) knee only 90° and R) worst and can't straighten them. I been doing my own exercise in a heat pool nearly 7 Day a week. I have more movement and can get off a chair easier, but pain so bad I can't sleep. I going try these exercises in the pool. I'm only 52. I was taxi driver for over 20 years driving 12 to 16 hours a night 6 nights a week. I studied to be registered nurse finish in 2018 and list a lot of weight. But it was the real start in my knee pain. I had pain b4, but not like this.
There are some errors the way Brad and Bob deliver, sorry guys 🙃, at 4:00 it is not ok to have your butt move, you should have your bum leaning against the wall and the farther you feet are from the wall the more advanced/strenuous the exercise…. Love you guys!!
What causes me intense pain if I am walking through a room, and happen to catch my leg on a piece of furniture in a way that pulls the inside of the leg outward only slightly but suddenly?
Thanks for this video. I have already improved my knees thanks to your advice and with this new video future look bright. Thankful for your open mind too
It is total BS to suggest that anyone, no matter what damage they have incurred within the knee, can just do an couple of knee over toes exercises, then magically all is fixed ?
Good luck walking, running, climbing stairs and going downstairs without your knees crossing over your toes. Don't want knee pain? Trade it for hip&ankle pain! No. Please don't. Become resilient.
I just found kneesovertoesguy a couple days ago. Blew my mind!🤯 Knees over toes has ALWAYS been a no-no! Very interesting to learn new viewpoints after all these years.👍🏻
Looking for more tests and exercises used in treating knee pain? Our complete Knee Pain Program playlist can be found here ua-cam.com/play/PL8l32k1r15l45pq8HBsa0CHPqxQl9oLFs.html
You admitting that you were wrong makes me EXTREMELY proud of you, and that attitude is best for civilization to move forward with regard to health wisdom. Thank you.
Of course!
@@BobandBrad My son also thinks that you should some kudos for your integrity.
Not only admitting but the explanation for the reasoning behind it. Honesty and open communication could really make some positive changes in the world if everybody practice them
Which is good, Btw. 😂
Hey Bob & Brad! Love you guys! Thanks for exposing me to the Knees Over Toes Guy. I initially thought he was completely insane, but I started taking him seriously after you interviewed him. I've been following his program for 1 month now and I have experienced a BIG decrease in my knee pain. This is literally changing my life and my fitness. Thank you!
I check into Bob & Brad's channel now & again out of interest. I am 79 years into my prime & try to maintain physicality as much as possible. I have followed these guys for years out of curiosity & their humor & delivery is great. However after a lifetime of body destroying activity & re-education I have never received much real help from any of the many PTs I have ever dealt with. I have great respect for Bob & Brad because they help the average Joe with good advice. A short while ago I came across Ben & his opposite take to any advice I was ever given & have had amazing results in very short time span. My reason for writing this is to show respect for Bob & Brad who, like me, formerly believed in the myth of never putting knees over toes & were willing to explore new ideas & change their minds - respect!
The amount of flexibility of mind and open mindedness to change your mind like this it's quite impressive. Most people would resist it
i'm wondering what took so long for the physical therapy/ortho community to come around to this?
@Athlethics One doctor told me to strengthen quads. This will reduce the impact on the knee and reduce knee pain. Another doctor told me that quads have no weight-bearing function and it will have no effect in reducing pain.
Well they had this study from the 1960's or 70's showing more "shear force" at the knee, with knee beyond toe which is true and just said avoid it or that's what most took away from the paper which didn't exactly say that.
It does put a lot of force on the knee but carefully built up to and applied that might be okay is the idea put forward here.
Be careful, the progressions exist for a reason even the advocates of this say!
It's still controversial so consider that.
Don't just jump into it and attempt sissy squats, for example and if something hurts don't do it.
Experts currently disagree so I'm just expressing the rationale not endorsing any school of thought per se.
You get this a lot.
If you do good mornings you could injure your lower back but some carefully use it to strengthen their lower back...some say start with a broomstick and some say just don't do it, period!
Different people including experts hold to different schools of thought and the consensus isn't always right.
I describe the way it is I don't advocate anything for everyone
I am not an expert.
This response was for entertainment purposes only...
You're not kidding. Mentioned it to my trainer and training partner, both darn near lost itl.
Looks like I'm late to the party on this topic but with my bad knees, I was willing to try anything. Orthopedics told me I still have too much cartilage for a replacement. I watched and tried the backward walking with sled, and the result in 48 hrs is nothing short of amazing. I'm encouraged and will see if it works long term.
Thanks for the input.
And has it worked long term? I just found KOTa few a weeks ago. Big change with just walking backwards
These are the most established PTs in the UA-cam world embracing change in their field. And not that they're old but they're no spring chickens. This cements Bob and Brad in my mind as the best in the business that you can take advice from. Because they can marry their degrees with their clinical knowledge with the ongoing evolution of physical therapy/strengthening happening outside brick and mortar clinics. Kudos to everyone here.
I had a walker with a basket and four wheels from partial knee replacements. I put 15 pounds in the basket and tied a resistance band to me and it and Voila!!! Awesome. My knees feel better already and stretching is easier. Praise God, I found out about him yesterday and can't wait to get his program. Thanks guys! 🙏 And the stiffness is gone. I've been suffering 2 yrs now. I walk regularly and lift weights with my total gym but afterwards I'm done for the rest of the day. Not today! 💪
Searched for this because my left knee has been hurting every day. Had surgery years ago for miniscus tear. Airrosti recently showed me what was going on, and gave me great stuff to make it feel better. However, the pain kept creeping back up, because I didn’t have anything preventive to strengthen my knees, so I did these exercises just now and it already feels better. I’m really really shocked right now. Thank you for posting this!!
Glad we could help!
Picked up running 2 months ago. Under my left knee is killing me. I haven't ran in over 2 weeks out of fear of hurting myself. Glad I came across Bob and Brad.
What’d you do to combat/fix your pain?
Did it help?
Just wanted to share my experience. In January got reared ended like 60-70 mph at a red light and part of my cartilage ripped since my knee twisted. Went countless times to PT and Chiro, when I stumbled around this knees over toes program. Doctor had said surgery. With a combination of PT exercises that I still do, along with Chiro appointments sometimes, and the program; my knee has felt way better and starting to do run again. Walking backwards helps too, do at least ten min every other day at the track. Great video as always! Going the conservative way and hoping able to avoid surgery going this route
Hey! How's that knee these days?
@@CamelBlue777 hey feels normal for most part. Sometimes feel an uncomfortable feeling but not really pain. Sometimes only when I workout at the gym and do walking lunges. However nothing like before. I will move on to the next excercise program once the one I’m doing feels 100% pain free. Which feels like a 1 or 2 out a 10 point scale. So almost moving on to the next one. Walking backwards helps too, for like ten min every other day
so cool you also agree with the kneesovertoesguy! i have been doing his exercises to protect my knees as a runner and have to say they work... just got the roman chair/hyperextension machine for strengthening my posterior chain, too, seeing that he is recommending it. and the wall anchored elastic bands. all i need to supplement my running. (also, i would advise your viewers to check how he explains the ATG split squats as i am not sure you have explained them well here. f.e. the knee never touches the floor. the front foot can be on different heights of blocks, chairs, etc. in the zero program as it is much easier and allows for full range of motion. the front heel can be on the floor as well as elevated- 2 different versions). excelent video!!! thank you!!!
Knees over toes changed my life. I have no acl or menicus in my left knee and do Bulgarian split squat with a 100 pound db with no pain full range of motion.
Totally unreal what you can accomplish with this approach, i also tore some ligaments in my early teens and just fixed it at 30, keep grinding brother.
I'm so thankful that you have the videos on your website, in categories. I frequently look for specific ones on you tube and don't often find what I want from any channel. 👍
Love KOT solute Ben Patrick !
Great review guys!
That last split squat form needs tweaking...
Gotta elevate the front foot and keep torso upright to get knee fully activated and then lower front foot as strength and balance improves.
Thanks for the laughs!
Guys, love this info. ATG is exactly who I am wondering about today.
Also, please get better mics.
They stepped a bit deep into the moves .tibialis raise is leaning on the wall cut the swings. Love you guys
Great video as always guys. 👍 I am curious of what you think about the toes over knee guys idea about the benefits of practicing with the back curved/bent. He often lifts weights with a bent back. I know that you often say that it's among the worst excercises/motions. 🙂
Hi, I work in physical therapy, and what Ben is talking about is using a light enough weight that you OWN the movement through the entire range. Problems occur with overloading, and then jerking to complete the movement. The stretch occurs with the eccentric (lowering) movement through the entire posterior chain.
Ben is great and these guys are great. We appreciate y’all
The knees over toes guy is the best trainer ever 👑
Hay un canal llamado noregretspt que es muy bueno también, a mí me ayudó muchísimo.
Any recommendations for flatback syndrome? You guys are great
Eric Goodman's Foundation Training. Ben Patrick's ATG is great for the front chain (with some good back chain work also), Foundation Training is all about the back chain. The two programs are a great complement to each other.
Exercise list:
Backwards walking
Tibalias anterior raise (1 or 2 leg, with or w/o chair)
Calf raise
Calf raise knees over toes
Pistol squat (assisted)
Squat (with incline board)
Split squat
The Bob, Brad, and Ben Show!
What if your knees are already in horrible shape? Bone on bone? What exercise if any can help? These hurt!!
Keep learning, keep questioning and you'll never get old.
Thank you for this video. Do you believe the "Knees Over Toes" approach will benefit someone with patella dislocation to get strength?
I'll try later but thank you
Ben's approach has me running faster, jumping higher, and generally feeling more athletic at 35 than in my early 20s
Are the exercises in this video helpful for people with mild to moderate knee osteoarthritis? I am guessing yes, as long as it feels comfortable.
The first step is to realize that our modern sedentary lifestyles and postures cause our joints to weaken, shrink and lose capability - the "sitting disease." The second step is to start correcting that in a very measured, careful, progressive way. Ben Patrick's stuff does that. It is amazing how fast it comes back when you take your time and gradually increase strength and range of motion. I'm 59, had meniscus repair two years ago, and conventional PT never restored full ROM in that knee. The ATG program has been amazing. ATG Knee Zero - simple stuff, bodyweight only, using assistance wherever needed, never working through pain - is where you want to start.
I agree 100 percent.
Thanks
Bob
a great way to regress with the split squat is to put your front foot up higher. you can also hang a band from a pull up bar and use that to help slowly lower yourself. one thing to remember is to try to straighten the back leg if you can. always work in pain free function. best wishes
Thank you guys! 👍🙏
How are these guys so great?
My opinion of you guys, went out the roof on this one.
Ultimately the body is a machine with the ability to heal itself to some degree. I think it would be interesting to interview a mechanical engineer explaining the destructive force put on the knee when it is bent at an acute angle. When they design structures and machinery, they have to keep that wear and tear in mind. Seems like there is a formula using the weight of the structure and angle of the joint to determine pressure on the joint. Maybe I'm wrong but seems like it puts a sheering force on the cartilage. Once the cartilage is worn away the joint experiences pain. While the knee can bend at an acute angle it comes with an orthopedic cost. The cost is unnoticeable at first but excruciating by the time you realize you've worn out the cartilage.
So are you saying you’re skeptical of the knees over toes program?
Even for severe knee osteoarthritis. Bone on bone?
Here are some videos that are better for you: www.youtube.com/@BobandBrad/search?query=knee%20osteoarthritis
can you go to PT when you have edema around knee without MRI? Ultrasound said possible hematoma, seroma versus burst bakers cyst continue with pain and now swelling around inner part of knee? Have been using MICE without improvement. Help, can't get into PT for over 10days
Hi Experts, I have a torn ACL please help me out i can't workout, hike, run, jump. Going nuts over here.
What videos do you have for Lymphedema
Are the "level 0" exercises in this video helpful for people with mild to moderate knee osteoarthritis? I am guessing yes, as long as it feels comfortable?
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Nobody has ever gotten stronger at something by avoiding it, and it always results in getting weaker at that motion which makes you even more prone to injury. The fitness profession has too many "never do this exercise or motion" rules. In stead they should tell people that doing a particular exercise works a particular set of muscles and that some people need to be aware of the risks of overdoing something, and that they need to progressively work to improve it rather than avoid it.
There is no infor6mation on whether this will help with your meniscus
Are there any reasons why knees over toes is good for knee pain? Im 57yrs with OA grade 2
It is not clear from this video whether these exercises are suitable for people with moderate knee OA. I am assuming yes, **IF** it feels comfortable. As for why it helps, Bob alludes to it in the video. Saying knees over toes strengthens a different part of the knee/quad and is also what we do in real life when climbing stairs and running.
I cannot do the anterior tibialis exercise. Is there a starter exercise so I can build up to it? Ty.
Lean against the wall and raise your toes
Can anyone hook a brother up with how many sets/reps are recommended of these various exercises?
My best guess is that it's not intended to overwork. So try doing the various exercises and when it starts to feel uncomfortable make a note and ever couple weeks increase from that minimum point. A good multiplier is always 3. So 3 sets of 8 or 10 etc. You should see incremental increases in muscle durability as well as strength. Then change the multiplier to 4 and 5 to increase the value and gain of each workout. Happy knees, Happy life. Best of luck.
@@samstipes2010 Thanks Sam!
Well they had this study from the 1960's or 70's showing more "shear force" at the knee, with knee beyond toe which is true and just said avoid it or that's what most took away from the paper which didn't exactly say that.
It does put a lot of force on the knee but carefully built up to and applied that might be okay is the idea put forward here.
Be careful, the progressions exist for a reason even the advocates of this say!
It's still controversial so consider that.
Don't just jump into it and attempt sissy squats, for example and if something hurts don't do it.
Experts currently disagree so I'm just expressing the rationale not endorsing any school of thought per se.
You get this a lot.
If you do good mornings you could injure your lower back but some carefully use it to strengthen their lower back...some say start with a broomstick and some say just don't do it, period!
Different people including experts hold to different schools of thought and the consensus isn't always right.
I describe the way it is I don't advocate anything for everyone
I am not an expert.
This response was for entertainment purposes only...
If you don't have a slant board, wear high heels.
B&B okaying KOT is like the RHS accepting no dig! 😝
I'm no physio but pulling your knees up to your butt, one at a time while sitting, is a no load method of working your knee motion. If you can't do this you should practice until you can. Don't do squats if you can't.
Im gonna do this so i can dance with the cossaks.
You shouldn’t swing your hips when you are working your tibialis . Your back should be against the wall with your feet away from the wall in front of you with your feet together. Press heels in the floor and raise your toes off the floor and up , hold for a second and go back down.
But Brad keep in mind. .. for some of us it's a simple movement
Sounds like you guys had to get pretty drunk to make this video and eat some humble pie
I’ve seen the Hawaiian Smartbells successfully reintroduced into Western Culture. 😮
These two obviously know their stuff but they need a good editor and production assistant.
Wtf. How is anyone supposed to know what going on with their knees if they’re wearing shoes and pants 🤦♂️boomers are so stuck in their ways 😆
I don't want to see these guys in shorts...no hate intended just...nope.
I can perfectly see what they’re doing. Maybe you should get your eyes checked if you cant see?
How about you give credit to who made this known. The kneesovertoesguy he's been pushing this for years and I'd bet you guys watched him then read the necessary studies.
Bob and Brad, the two most shameless, content stealers, on the internet ....
Ben's "knees over toes" exercises are fantastic and I highly recommend them to help strengthen the knees and legs. Follow him on UA-cam to get a feel for what a great guy Ben is. I now don't do any other leg strengthening program than his. I signed up to his program and been doing it for about 12 weeks now and have advanced into now doing most of his program exercises using mostly bodyweight only. There are many more exercises than what Bob and Brad showed.
Ben is changing my life. Thank GOD I finally opened one of his videos. They've been in my recommended feed for a year😂
Can you sign up for his program and pay month to month?
@@barb987 yes!
The walk in reverse using a sled is awesome. Also the tibialis raises are great. Ben Patrick is a God send person with his techniques.
I've been doing these exercises for a while and they really work! Also been a big Bob and Brad fan forever, so their approval is everything. Thanks Guys!
Great to hear!
Bob
@@BobandBrad hi will will these help for meniscus issues
Just saw this. It's so admirable and impressive that people your age are willing and able to evolve in your thinking. Always being open-minded is the epitome of professionalism. 👍
Yes, those split squats need work, per Ben's system!
I'm a huge fan and disciple of the ATG system.
Walking backwards and the tib raises, along with the Patrick stepups (stepdowns?!)
Are making a huge difference in this 62 year old runner's life!
I currently jog backwards up a 75 yard hill 16 times, once a week now, as I don't have a Sled yet. Started three months ago with walking 6 times up, what a quad burn! Lower body has NEVER felt better.
No need for a sled. You can use a cheap tarp, and load it with weights, gravel, etc. Add some straps if you like. Drag forward as well as backward.
Really happy to see you guys are sharing this approach. I’ve discovered it recently too and I finally feel like I’m actually rehabilitating my knee issues and muscles around it. Love your videos and thanks for everything guys!
Well, I was under the impression that the Knees Over Toes Guy was a gimmick. But with your endorsement is a complete game changer for me. I've have come trust Bob and Brad. Thank you for posting.
You should invite Ben to make a video. That would be awesome.
Thank you so much! Back in the 70's I was a runner and a backpacker and learned about walking backward--up hills, etc. This was great. You all are great. Thank you for sharing your website and so much guidance in your videos!
No offense but I would recommend going to the source. He has lots of progressions and regressions.
Given that this channel has more followers they have probably done a great job simply publishing it, and a lot of people will go to the source, obviously.
@@alejandrop.s.3942 true. Like I said no offense. I just want to make sure people to get a more comprehensive understanding as I have benefited so much from it.
@@daoud1608 I know right. Btw, I recommend you a channel called noregretspt, it's great too. It helpt me with my weak, painful knees.
Ben Patrick's ATG system is repairing my chronic ankle injury! Thank you so much for acknowledging and promoting the #KneesOverToesGuy !
Bob hope you are allright. I used to watch your videos few months ago and just watching today I feel like you are not well. Hope your health is good. Keep up the good work on the videos.
Description says Joe Rogan. Its Ben Patrick to be correct
backwards walking is very tiring but I can feel the muscles growing.
I am so excited that my two most famous physical therapists on the internet have found and are teaching the "knee over toes" guy. I have four joints that have needed to be replaced for the last 10 years (I am in my mid 60s) due to osteoporosis, osteoarthritis, and stickler syndrome (which affects all the collagen in the body), I cannot do the surgeries, (nor do I want to). These PTs and people like knee over toes guy, are keeping me healthy regardless. Thank you so much. I love you all. You give people like me hope. God Bless.
i love knees over toes guy!!
You guys are so helpful. I love trying all of your exercises!
Love your evolving minds.
How often should a person be doing these exercises? How many reps?
I just watched the Ben Patrick video, then your video popped up. Thanks for making starting the program at the "zero" level easy. Love your channel!
Is Brad ok? He talks like he’s had a stroke. Hope all is well
I heard that he had a lot of dental work and that’s the reason for the slurring.
@@marytracy2904 ok that is good to hear. Wishing him the best of health!
@@brettmasonmedia at first I thought he was celebrating 🍻 being one of the two most famous physical therapists on the internet. 😂
I thought the same thing
He sounds like he's 5 beers in!
I have been to a physio about my knees. I'm in extreme pain. She said I need to knees replacements. L) knee only 90° and R) worst and can't straighten them. I been doing my own exercise in a heat pool nearly 7 Day a week. I have more movement and can get off a chair easier, but pain so bad I can't sleep. I going try these exercises in the pool. I'm only 52. I was taxi driver for over 20 years driving 12 to 16 hours a night 6 nights a week. I studied to be registered nurse finish in 2018 and list a lot of weight. But it was the real start in my knee pain. I had pain b4, but not like this.
You didn’t do any of the exercises correctly that he shows in the zero program
If you cannot do a full squat, it is you heel cord and calf muscles that need stretching.
So glad you’re doing an easier version of what Ben Patrick is doing. Thanks.
It just goes to show you even after all these years the wheel can be really reinvented.
& you can even try this in bed. Like put pressure on your foot
Ben Patrick is awesome and his approach works, good for you both for recognizing his talent and success 🙌
Guys, thanks for covering this! (and thanks for cutting out the chatter at the beginning)
There are some errors the way Brad and Bob deliver, sorry guys 🙃, at 4:00 it is not ok to have your butt move, you should have your bum leaning against the wall and the farther you feet are from the wall the more advanced/strenuous the exercise….
Love you guys!!
Thanks Tom for the feedback!
Bob
Can you just release the @
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Thanks!
Lol 🤣
Thanks!
What causes me intense pain if I am walking through a room, and happen to catch my leg on a piece of furniture in a way that pulls the inside of the leg outward only slightly but suddenly?
where is the pain, around groin area?
Thanks for this video. I have already improved my knees thanks to your advice and with this new video future look bright. Thankful for your open mind too
It is total BS to suggest that anyone, no matter what damage they have incurred within the knee, can just do an couple of knee over toes exercises, then magically all is fixed ?
Yes. That’s the point of a generalization. Of course not all, but most.
Well I’d been wondering whether I should try Ben’s workouts, now that Bob and Brad gave their stamp of approval I’m feeling more confident about it!
Can you share bens UA-cam please?
@@TMChelle kneesovertoesguy
Ben's own story is plenty legit. He's in better shape than these guys! I listen to ppl who get results. But I still love these guys!!! 💕😎
Good luck walking, running, climbing stairs and going downstairs without your knees crossing over your toes. Don't want knee pain? Trade it for hip&ankle pain! No. Please don't. Become resilient.
I just found kneesovertoesguy a couple days ago.
Blew my mind!🤯
Knees over toes has ALWAYS been a no-no!
Very interesting to learn new viewpoints after all these years.👍🏻