Marital Rape Law | Advocate J Sai Deepak | Voice For Men India | Other Side
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- We spoke to Advocate J Sai Deepak in May 2022 after Delhi High Court's split verdict in the Marital Rape PIL
The matter is currently being heard in the Supreme Court of India
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Sai Deepak is a legend, I admire his body of work so much. His contributions to the society should not be ignored
I absolutely respect Arnaz here, to be moderating JSD is no mean task and she did it with such ease. Glad to see a moderator who is there to learn as much as we are, not trying to steal the show or make a statement, just there to amplify legitimate legal arguments. Great content!
Identity theft is not a joke jim! Millions of people suffer every year.
These were fairly balanced and well presented opinions. I see the merit in all his arguments!
Sai deepak is par excellence...he is modern rishi
Sir, I really want to thank you for saving us. My wife caught with extra marital affair is already charging me and my family with fake Domestic Violence case just to extort money out of me and if this law would have passed, she would have definitely misused the same. You are really a big savior for people like us. Thanks a lot for your help
Good thing to note!
Sorry that this happened to you.
It is such a relief to hear Deepak ji 🙏
Didi 🙏 Please share your Views too with MDO & Aarnaz ji .Your opinion matters 🙏
@@arpansingh7419 I have same views but sure me and Arnaz will talk about it in some video.
True intellectual with a sense of humility. What a person you are Deepak ji... Pranams your parents and who participated in bringing this kind of a personality into existence 🙏
Bharat is fortunate to have a civilizational warrior like Sai Deepak ji, who treads the path of Dharma, and represents the ethos of our culture & civilization, so eloquently and intellectually. He greatly inspires me and I sincerely hope that the young minds of our country watch & learn from this man, and become a part in restoring our cultural & civilizational glory, and scaling new heights as a nation.
A very righteous man JSD sir is. Doesn't care about the madness that goes by the name of feminism, knows what he is doing is right and in best interest of men of our country. Best thing is he agrees that if his legal expertise is required to tame some draconian laws, he will step in.
In the interest of even women, i must say.
He is himself on the side of feminists at present and laughs and mocks questions addressed in quest of men commission and equal rights, what a flip !
Wish this guy someday becomes CJI
Kind of difficult give how nepotistic and ideological judicial system is.
@@gradstudent584 worse under chodiji
@@naiyayika and more due to chandrichut
@@Sangita_hotty i don't even care 😘
@@Sangita_hotty same goes for you your opinion doesn't matter to anyone. You are insignificant as well. Let's see in what direction the country goes
Sai Deepak opened my eyes to the issue and completely changed my position on the same, after knowing the intricacies of the real issue behind the news headlines.🙏🙏
Embracing change is the starting point of growth & happiness. With that thought let me add more nuanced perspegive as the same comment I had posted on the main comment section above. Hope you don't mind reading it (a rather long one, not tailoring it a bit).
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Feminists often cite, Marital rape is recognized in developed countries and all & try to shame Indians & emotionally rile them to accept their position. But will not inform that a Nigerian Woman MP pushed for Gender Neutral rape laws in Nigeria and got it, whereby Male victims of Rape by woman can seek recourse. Then Feminists will ask how can woman rape a man, when they have defined rape from consent POV.
There were so many arguments I had online, where practically everyone tried to shut me up and even Gaslight me to tell me that I am not a victim of rape by my ex-wife, when I can clearly remember not just 1 but at least 2 such victimizing incidents (with vague memory of more)
Last discussion, I had with presumably a woman asked me genuinely, how can a woman rape a man. I gave example of well known case of morgue attendant, who had sex with corpse of a recently dead rich man, and successfully sued his estate for child support, when she got preganant and got caught and punished for the crime. I also counter it by saying, if their primary reservation against male rape is that, men cannot have ercetion, unless they are aroused, then would they also say, if women had arousal and natural lubrication in vagina, it was not rape, even if she didn't consent.
Then there is angle of misuse, feminists bring up saying, of rape laws are made gender neutral, men will misuse it. My counter is simple - feminists claim, men and women are equal & women donot misuse the law, then I ask why would they presume men will misuse the law (if they are not misandric). My positition is if marital rape law has to be brought in as a penal provision, make rape law gender neutral.
The other argument which feminists often use, is that, every woman victim must get justice, even if it is 1 woman, and law must be made like that. I use this argument, to ask, then why not give such equal opportunity to men for justice, even if there is only 1 or very few cases of men raped by woman.
Now, if marital rape is brought in as Feminists demand, then what will happen to court modified law, they say sexual intercourse on the pretext of marriage is considered rape.Will they suo motto struck it down ??
Also they say, male rape is unheard of and rare. I counter that my asking, if that is not in law books, men cannot go and complain, then how do they know it is rare. Cannot we use the same logic to say marital rape is almost non-existent and rare.
Also, there is the angle which JSD mentioned, that what about same sex relationship. Will they not punish a sexually aggressive woman partner ??
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Sai, you make me regret not pursuing Law. Thanks for inspiring a generation of youth to consider Law very seriously! 👏🏼👏🏼🙏🏻
Sai Deepak Sir, Please this nation needs your capable self to play an active role for gender neutral laws.
My respect on Sau Deepak sir increased ❤👍👍
Always insightful to hear Sai sir. He is the most rationale and sane minded people exist today. In the times of so much noise and hoodlums, thanks such a civil & intellectual discourse.
I am true victim of DVC
We negotiated a lot with the girl side they were demanding higher maintenance
Further I was waiting for court’s directions and judgment
She simply married someone
Had child also
I am here still waiting for court direction
This is the irony
What Sai sir fighting is right
I’m not here telling all men are victims
I want to telling you some men are made victims for not having any fault
Majority of men are victims.
At Indian size and fake cases it's in crores of men, not some me as you mentioned.
I hope god gave punishment to her on karma cause Indian courts will never
As a man bare the burden 😂
That’s why I’m bot getting married
I’d rather die alone, without having marital experiences
#MGTOW IS FREEDOM
🙏❤️😁
be a passport bro
U are a enlightened soul my bro, lucky that u understood tye game before hand and choose to opt out to enjoy real freedom
What the fuck are you on about @@krishnaprasadh9844
One of the best legal brains we have in India today. Listening to Sai Deepak is time well invested. What one can learn over a year by one’s own study ,one can learn in a half an hour presentation by him. He has crystal clear thoughts and a true commitment to professionalism and civility. God bless him.
Unfortunately a lot of women, especially educated ones, are abusing the laws meant for them 😞. Their families are also supporting them to extort or harass the husband.
What a great discussion..thank you Arnaz for bringing it out nicely ..Thanks to Sai Deepak ji for protecting the India from evil eyes, hell bent on destroying the family system of India.
J.Sai Deepak sir you are great and thanks for supporting our gender
Also, Arnaz-ji, please consider having Mr. Kapoor (the other veteran lawyer who very articulately represented Hridaya NGO) on the show as well. Also, please consider having more lawyers and even accused-turned-lawyers who have succeeded in their fights on the show. It will be immensely informative.
Who it is ? Can you share the name
@@krishna_o15 the man who fought the case for sarabajit singh. He has a UA-cam channel as well.
@@ksc7132 are you saying it was shonee kapoor i don't think he fought case of sarabjit bhai. I think more mainstream lawyer need to be invited for this discussion and retired judges
@@krishna_o15 Oh then i don't which lawyer he is talking about.
@@ksc7132ou mean the innocent guy who was named once Delhi ki darindra by media and people due to fake harrasment FB post by Jasleen Kaur which she accused of happened at a Delhi traffic signal??
Man my blood boiled due to her remarks and he was kicked to the bottom mentally physically sociallu financially. Girl got money from Kejri too calling it out brave beti of India. This happened just few years later Nirbhaya incident. That's why then female security type incident got highlight. She made an accusation and tried getting fame and sympathy.
MDO please tell Sai to circulate this video in his own personally influencial ecosystem... We don't have much time... Spread Awareness to dismantle the feminist ecosystem before they dismantles us
I just have two words for you people, Bless You!
Thanks for bringing this discussion. Amazing thoughts from J Sai Deepak. Arnaz your efforts on such subject is noteworthy.
As Long as Men don't stop voting for all political parties for their biased position regarding introducing and continuing all ANTI MEN LAWS, no GENDER NEUTRAL LAW will ever be introduced..
Its a relief to see that we still have sane ppl like the both who were involved in this talk
J Sai Deepak sir elaborate very perfectly with logical reasoning
Anyone can understand if they have enough patience to listen him
Great to see a balanced argument on this. The equality under law should be for all genders and should not be entirely one sided
J Sai Deepak is the only legend which I have seen till now.
498 A is most misused law in India today ..many family are suffering with wrong cases and that is one way street 95% cases are false but there is no punishment for womens
Shame on banana republic of India, it is because of the corrupt police and judiciary as it is a multi million rupees business.
Women should be saved and protected at any cost pls do support women and provide validation for the same
Not just women, it’s become an organised crime, so everybody involved, may be her parents, boyfriend and well should be punished or fined.,
@@Kathakathan11 yes ur right 0.5% of alimony should be paid as fine
@@user-qo5gs9pp6p Marriage has 2 main pillars
1. Sex
2. Children
Why are we behaving like we don't know anything.
What protection women want
They have domestic violence law
But what is marital rape thats bullshit.
How will you judge this.
And these rights have destroyed men in large numbers.
Laws have to be changed.
J Sai Deepak sir's way of researching and finding the implications of law is fantastic. i am learning the way to understand law from his arguments.
Lot of Respect to MDOTeam ,Arnaz & JSai Deepak sir 🙏
Simple don't marry guys be happy be hanuman bhakt
Sai u r brilliant ,salute to your knowledge expressions, many have knowledge but can not express right !
Thanks for bringing this and I think everyone should make an attempt to spread it more and more.
Glad we have people like JSD . We need men commission , changes in all these anti men laws of india like immediate bail to men in all these dowry , rape cases and scrap alimony and maintainence
Amazing...fan of Mr. Deepak. Thanks Arnaz for this informative insights 😊
All my powers to you Deepak sir. You are very reasonable and very objective.
Feminism ka cancer abb Indian society mein poori tarah spread ho chuka hai. But I am happy that such a competent person j Sai Deepak is on our side👌👍👍
Bro..nobody is on your side..jsd is not antifeminism but anti idioticfeminism
Marriage is a monogamous relationship it means sex is limited between husband and wife.
It also means husband and wife both are 100% Dependent on each other for sexual needs.
When there is 100% dependency it becomes duty for both husband and wife to satisfy each-others sexual needs.
Sex is a matrimonial duty in a monogamous marriage.
If a women want 100% Autonomy of her body then men can also exercise their bodily autonomy.
Men can buy sex from sex worker instead of getting trapped in a sexless marriage.
Men can also hire surrogate Mother Instead of having children with wife.
There is enough alternative option in the hands of men to replace wife completely.
Now unmarried women can bragging about bodily autonomy,sexual consent bla bla bla ... for their whole life.
#No Wife Happy life
#Patni Mukt Bharat...
patni mukt bharat 😂
@@rahulthapar7106 No Wife = No Alimony = No Child support
@@ultimate6243 Yeahh That's what Uncle Charlie of Two and a half men says 😎
Except pregnency all substitute legally available
This is what precisely the law aims to do. Destroy the unspoken pact of our lives. And we're exactly thinking and heading in that direction, western way to solve marriage problems.
J Sai Deepak Sir huge respect. Legend.
India never ceases to produce brilliance Sai deepak is another example
Wanna see Sai as CJI
I think He should be Law Minister of India.
@@ultimate6243 Sure... That too is wonderful
Mi lords won't elevate him to HC
this decreases efficiency because than he becomes jack of all trades rather a lawyer he can focus and choose cases where no good lawyer is focusing.
This law will be used by lawyers with the help of wife to make money.
If wife is not happy, she should be immediately granted the divorce. Both can move on if not happy with each other.
Sai Deepak presented a very well balanced view of the positions that need to be reconciled, and the way ahead.
How can courts interfere in every aspect of society , thats disgusting.
These are stereotypes which are created due to case where man was abusers and wife beater but that is one side other side which is ignored is women abusing men and beating him.
Exactly, that's what's happened in the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard case
Sai should be the CJI. Razor sharp with a very fine sense of history and context and of the rules of dharma, he towers over others in his profession.
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Feminists often cite, Marital rape is recognized in developed countries and all & try to shame Indians & emotionally rile them to accept their position. But will not inform that a Nigerian Woman MP pushed for Gender Neutral rape laws in Nigeria and got it, whereby Male victims of Rape by woman can seek recourse. Then Feminists will ask how can woman rape a man, when they have defined rape from consent POV.
There were so many arguments I had online, where practically everyone tried to shut me up and even Gaslight me to tell me that I am not a victim of rape by my ex-wife, when I can clearly remember not just 1 but at least 2 such victimizing incidents (with vague memory of more)
Last discussion, I had with presumably a woman asked me genuinely, how can a woman rape a man. I gave example of well known case of morgue attendant, who had sex with corpse of a recently dead rich man, and successfully sued his estate for child support, when she got preganant and got caught and punished for the crime. I also counter it by saying, if their primary reservation against male rape is that, men cannot have ercetion, unless they are aroused, then would they also say, if women had arousal and natural lubrication in vagina, it was not rape, even if she didn't consent.
Then there is angle of misuse, feminists bring up saying, of rape laws are made gender neutral, men will misuse it. My counter is simple - feminists claim, men and women are equal & women donot misuse the law, then I ask why would they presume men will misuse the law (if they are not misandric). My positition is if marital rape law has to be brought in as a penal provision, make rape law gender neutral.
The other argument which feminists often use, is that, every woman victim must get justice, even if it is 1 woman, and law must be made like that. I use this argument, to ask, then why not give such equal opportunity to men for justice, even if there is only 1 or very few cases of men raped by woman.
Now, if marital rape is brought in as Feminists demand, then what will happen to court modified law, they say sexual intercourse on the pretext of marriage is considered rape.Will they suo motto struck it down ??
Also they say, male rape is unheard of and rare. I counter that my asking, if that is not in law books, men cannot go and complain, then how do they know it is rare. Cannot we use the same logic to say marital rape is almost non-existent and rare.
Also, there is the angle which JSD mentioned, that what about same sex relationship. Will they not punish a sexually aggressive woman partner ??
Sai Deepak is always logical in his submissions. Anybody who disagrees shall be a stupid or I’ll informed or biased.
We need men's commissions and ministries to protect men from atrocities by women. We need men's liberation from traditional roles. And men's rights need to be protected
Go ahead and keep up your work
good discussion.We support Sai ji!
Jai Ho!! Mk Sai deepak Prime minister hes gr8 sensible man
Arnaz madam shud be made chairman of Nat'nl woman commission. Lets unite to start petition as above 🙏⚖👆
I donate to men's right group regularly.
Hat's off to this lady. 👍👍
Kudos to Arnaz for this wonderful interview with JSD.. 👏👏🙂This is the kind of intellectual and mature conversations we need, unlike drama and biases in Mainstream News.. JSD's stance against marital rape is commendable.. The final question raised by Arnaz is every Indian men's need. I was disappointed with JSD that he has no bandwidth to fight for Gender neutral laws for Indian men.
He has definitely been working out. His face has changed, the fat is less and bone structure is far more visible
Much more intelligent lawyer than that nandy lady
Sai sir is a legend ❤️❤️
Man with million words but devoid of substance
तलाक इंडस्ट्री को वयवसायिक फायदा हो सकता है ओर कुछ वकिलों की ओर कानून कनसलटेनट कमपनियो की कमाई बढ सकती है इस एंगल से भी विचार होना चाहिए
1st time some one has agreed with openioun that 114A is problematic
Respect for Arnaz Ji and Adv. Sai
Beti Bachao - isn’t it gender specific slogan? Sukanya Samriddhi - gender specific saving scheme. Special loan interest for one gender. Govt is promoting one gender over other since decades. Constitution gives priority to one gender. Why are you surprised when such cases are filed? Such cases will come again.
What do you mean.
The gender ratio for a healthy population should always be woman more than men.When this reversed,govt had brought the law.
Families preferring sons education more than their daughters deserves punishment as they are destroying the girls life ..,yet the govt only introduced a scheme.
@@amychilde7060 free bus,free eduction,less inttest for bank loan ,less money for registration of house is gender bias promoting gender apoeasment in name of equality one more thing gender bias laws too
Yes, the book "The Truth You Never Knew About Anti-HINDU Laws Of India" also mentions about female centric schemes and the absence of such for male child.
Female infanticide -wasnt that a gender specific crime?
Beti bachao was against that
In a decade or two, there will be no such thing as marriage. And hence, these debates will not be needed at all. That's when the change will come for the better.
#Patni Mukt Bharat
@@ultimate6243 😝😉
He is Rishi to modern world. My dandwat pranaam!
If I am bhakt, I am bhakt for J sai Deepak, I want to meet him in my life once...
1st time here, subscribed
Thanks
Toxic feminism has entered India.
Brilliant as always.
Be ready man' s day out I am going to join with you in next 8 yrs.
Next 8 years??
Sister,
I appreciate your desire to Contribute in Men Right's Movement.
It's a long battle. I Hope one day we can give Justice to men.
Thank u
Good discussion, it is need of hour.
sai deepak is a true legend. i want u to be our PM
👏👍all our good wishes are with you Deepak for your every success.
Sai deepak is very articulate about his points
6.6k views in one day...guess men r waking up
I don't think so.
I thinks views are generated by J Sai Deepak Fans.
Are nahi bhai, Sai deepak ki wajah se hai. He is very popular.
A man who can not control his words, hunger and lust.... Will suffer sooner or later in life .
Blame nature
Well explained. Balance and introspection on both parties is essential in society.
Why there are only 7k views. Something is wrong with people who are ignoring inevitable problem that would be faced by their childrens.
Intelligent advocate
Justice must be gender neutral. Also how do you determine marital rape has occurred without putting a camera in a couple's bedroom. Ridiculous laws. Sexual violence and other violence may/ does happen in sone marriages but there have to be better laws to deal with these to make justice equal for both sexes
Thanks Arnaz & Sai
Just visit Bangalore family courts and read the case papers filed by wives! you only need common sense after reading to understand if its real or fake! Married Men have and are suffering every single day! Have seen my colleague's telling me his female clients is making a business out of her divorce! This is a serious issue! Fake Cases must be punishable with 3 years of minimum jail sentence!
Rape is uncontested sexual abuse. Marriage is social sanction. If marital rape is enforced, then free sexual liberties should be a crime and women should be sent to jail.
We have tons of laws for rape and many ways to find out whether rape has happened or not or who is the guilty one
No need to criminalises
Because you people my mother can't fight for her justice against my father,shame on you😡
Brilliant conversation...
Congratulations and thanks to all
There is no defence for a man/husband. I have much respect for detectors and autocracy than Kangaroo courts of India
India, we need gender neutral laws.
Brilliant lawyer.!
People now don't have plain common sense!😂😂😂😂
Cause 498 a is women related and govt is busy in women appeasment
the actual motto of govts is cutting away the roots of indian family system..........
दहेज विरोधी कानून का क्या हाल हुआ है सबके सामने है लड़कियो का जो हाल होता जा रहा है सबके सामने है।अब क्या माननीय बेडरूम मे हर ऐंगल से कैमरा लगायेंगे या हर बेडरूम के बाहर कानून मित्र बैठेगा महिला उसे बताकर बैडरूम मे जायेगी कि हा मर्जी से जा रही है ये वामी कामी माननीय देश का कानून का तमाशा बना रहे है।
Very intelligent social worker our beloved Sai Deepak thammudu jai Bharat ❤️🇮🇳😍👍🌷👌
देश बरबाद नहीं हो जावे इस एंगल से भी विचार होना चाहिए
Sir please do fight for #GenderBiasedLaws
Judges have to go back, read, think - and most important, analyze how much money they stand to make by rendering a decision one way or the other.
I appreciate Sai Deepak's possition.
Wow J Sai Deepak!!! 🤟